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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:21 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 11:52 |
| _follower_ | it must be that time of night again... :-) | 11:53 |
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| dwd | Morning all&(~_follower_), evening _follower_ | 11:59 |
| _follower_ | :-) | 12:00 |
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| inz | *sniff* foo. is goneth from test.maemo.org =( | 12:44 |
| bergie | inz: :-) | 12:45 |
| bergie | but don't worry, we have bunch of other exciting content on the way ;-) | 12:45 |
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| tigert | bergie: which room are you in currently? | 13:06 |
| tigert | I'll join you in a bit | 13:06 |
| bergie | tigert: B209 | 13:14 |
| tigert | thx | 13:19 |
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| Jaffa | So, anyone experimented with compiling Java ME or SE for Maemo yet, given it's shiny new GPL status? | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Ah, not sure you can actually get code yet | 14:00 |
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| part | Jaffa: nice... | 15:05 |
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| booiiing | Jaffa: complete code-release will take until march 2007, according to /. | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | booiiing: most interesting bits are going to be available sooner (e.g. the Java ME stack) | 15:53 |
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| hugo__ | hello | 16:50 |
| hugo__ | i have a problem when i would like to start emulator in scratchbox with this command : af-sb-init.sh start | 16:51 |
| hugo__ | /usr/bin/dbus-daemon-1: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot handle TLS data | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | Ouch | 16:56 |
| bergie | Comments welcome: http://test.maemo.org/applications/6b25daa80465b7a4077e446ba053d548/ | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Why does it have "10 Desktop Environment" in the title? | 17:03 |
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| _follower__ | bergie: classy :-) | 17:03 |
| _follower__ | (except for the URLs...) | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | bergie: looks *really* nice. | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | Good do with some vertical separation between the entries? | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | s/Good/Could/ | 17:04 |
| bergie | _follower_: yeah, the URLs are a bit crappy as the component used there was planned for handling hundreds of thousands of products (that don't necessarily have URL-capable names) | 17:05 |
| spaetzAFK | bergie, looks fantastic, but there is no information in which repositories the apps can be found | 17:05 |
| bergie | but I could maybe get it to use the applications' UNIX names for URLs | 17:05 |
| bergie | spaetzAFK: not needed, the .install files contain the info | 17:05 |
| spaetzAFK | I'd rather install from repositories than "install now" links, so I'll get notified of updates | 17:05 |
| spaetzAFK | ahh, ok then :-) | 17:05 |
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| _follower__ | bergie: having "nice" URLs makes it heaps easier to link to things from "outside" e.g. blogs etc | 17:06 |
| bergie | _follower_: true | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | bergie: might still be worth having the textual information on the detailed page. | 17:07 |
| * Jaffa quite fancies a subtle highlighting hover image on the "click to install" | 17:07 | |
| inz | bergie, I'd suggest numeric sorting on the apllications/ page =) | 17:07 |
| spaetz | Plus I'd like to have an "Show all Applications" rather than having to click on 15 different categories to view them | 17:08 |
| inz | -typos | 17:08 |
| bergie | Jaffa: the problem is application catalog doesn't know the repo... the info is just in the file | 17:08 |
| spaetz | inz, you were 5 seconds faster than I were :-) | 17:08 |
| spaetz | Just wanted to nag about the sorting :-) | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | bergie: get it to parse the file? (granted, this is an ugly hack) | 17:08 |
| spaetz | bergie, that is a defficiency of the application database then :-) | 17:09 |
| spaetz | deficiency | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | Having the DB generate the file would be much more user friendly for the project admin | 17:09 |
| bergie | spaetz: it was intentional design to use the .install files | 17:09 |
| spaetz | bergie: I'm not complaining about install files: I'd just like to be able to present the information in these files on the site as well | 17:10 |
| spaetz | So I could e.g. se immediately if I already have that reository in my list etc | 17:10 |
| spaetz | sorry, for the typos | 17:11 |
| bergie | spaetz: I think it doesn't hurt to click the .install again... if app manager is smart it won't re-add the repo | 17:11 |
| bergie | ...but just start the install process | 17:11 |
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| spaetz | bergie: BTW Terms of use Privacy Policy at the header looks like it were just one link in my Opera. Probably some spacing would be nice (just a nitpick, I'll shut up now :-)) | 17:16 |
| spaetz | *at the footer*, not the header (me needs coffee) | 17:16 |
| * bergie points at tigert... we still need to style the footer | 17:17 | |
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| bergie | BTW, here's some info on .install: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/doc/repository.txt | 17:33 |
| keesj | yea, I think there are really security issues with the one click install | 17:38 |
| keesj | I know it's a debian problem but it just should not be possible to override default respositories | 17:39 |
| keesj | I think it would even be better to just have one repository and give everybody upload rights | 17:40 |
| keesj | at least that repository will not contain fake packages | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | There is that, no-one seems to be using it (for whatever reason) | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | I don't think it's been made clear that you don't need to host your package at the Garage to get the repo upload capability. | 17:41 |
| keesj | why are you saying that there is that? | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | "one repository and give everybody upload rights". | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | It exists. | 17:41 |
| keesj | in the garage | 17:41 |
| keesj | ? | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | Introduced alongside the Garage, but separate. | 17:41 |
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| keesj | for me it's simple. while I am prepared to spend some time learning the system | 17:42 |
| keesj | but not everybody can be a full debian developer. | 17:43 |
| part | maemo is not debian | 17:43 |
| keesj | the packaging system is. | 17:43 |
| part | you don't need to be a debian developer in order to upload packages to extras | 17:43 |
| part | the packaging system doesn't require you to be a debian developer either | 17:44 |
| keesj | you need to create a debian package | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | And building a deb, even without a deb-based system, is trivial. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | kontorri does it in Java in ThemeMaker, after all. | 17:44 |
| dwd | Jaffa: I can upload my own packages? There a HOWTO page on that? (I made myself a repo for my stuff and the stuff it needs, but it's on my DSL) | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | dwd: yes and yes | 17:44 |
| dwd | Jaffa: And _follower_'s stuff does it in Python, too. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | dwd: indeed. | 17:45 |
| keesj | Jaffa, and the other thing is that I don't know what I am allowed to upload | 17:45 |
| part | dwd: I think you need to create a garage project and have a usable gpg (pgp) key | 17:45 |
| keesj | Jaffa, does the ThemeMake does the gpg stuff to? | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ExtrasRepository | 17:45 |
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| Jaffa | That talks about a) how to do it (dwd), and b) what you can do (keesj) | 17:46 |
| Veggen | dwd: Take a look at Eclipse and the Laika plugin. It wasn't bad at all - though some of the examples/templates could use a little brushing up to be more IT2006ized. | 17:46 |
| part | yeah, everything in extras (and in garage) has to be free in the freedom sense | 17:46 |
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| dwd | Jaffa: Ta, yerrastar. | 17:47 |
| keesj | Jaffa, so I just need to try to upload ruby and such and see what happens? | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | keesj: There are QA standards, and a "trustworthiness" threshold on the part of the maintainer. | 17:48 |
| keesj | ok | 17:48 |
| keesj | Jaffa, still it feels like a lot of work, and I did not find examples or a build system for all that | 17:56 |
| keesj | but I am in here for the fun of it, so I don't really mind:) | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Well, if you want one repo containing quality stuff without security risks, it's going to have some level of pain. If you want it to be easy, it becomes a free for all; but then you were moaning about that too ;-) | 17:57 |
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| keesj | I just think I could be done more easyer and more secure | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | Easier yes, I'm not sure about the secure. | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | Well, maybe 0install. | 17:59 |
| keesj | I would do something like the bsd ports , | 17:59 |
| keesj | so that users like me can contribute parts of the ports tree | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | keesj: how is that easier or more secure? (I've not played with it a lot) | 18:00 |
| keesj | and maemo would do the building | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | So you want an auto-builder? | 18:00 |
| Veggen | ...a compiler on my Nokia 770? I think not! | 18:00 |
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| Jaffa | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mud-builder/ | 18:01 |
| keesj | not on the 770 :) | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | keesj: unfortunately I've done no work on mud-builder | 18:01 |
| keesj | Now there also are so much package with no cvs or no source | 18:02 |
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| keesj | but is mud and existing thing? | 18:03 |
| keesj | but it sounds right. | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | keesj: no, doesn't exist yet. It'd probably be a simple Perl framework for building stuff by modules. The easiest module would be "Debian" which goes off to Debian and builds a deb from there, patching it if appropriate, and producing a 770-compatible deb. | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | More info here: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/mud.txt | 18:05 |
| keesj | yes , this is what I am talking about. | 18:07 |
| keesj | but debian also has the source packages and diff's and .orig files | 18:08 |
| keesj | so perhaps it's just me who doesn't understand who it works :) | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah, but that's all abstracted away behind dpkg-buildpackage | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | All MUD would have to do is download some files, patch them with Maemo-patches (if any) and then call dpkg-buildpackage | 18:09 |
| keesj | Yes, for me even a little more, I should help in creating patches | 18:11 |
| keesj | so I would tell mud that I am going to build a package for let say ruby | 18:11 |
| _follower__ | different-topic: am i correct in thinking there's no easy way to rotate GTK widgets that don't accept an 'angle' property? specifically, i'm wanting to rotate treeview | 18:12 |
| keesj | mud downloads , unpacks, I poke around and change some configure options or some flags, add mud creates a diff betwee my files and the package | 18:12 |
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| keesj | afk | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah, and then those patches and flags (i.e. how to build Ruby for Maemo) are put into a MUD-config file for Ruby, you submit that to the mud project and then the mud project will handle the building of the deb for you. | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | (and submitting it to extras etc.) | 18:18 |
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| part | Jaffa: I've been thinking about a debian auto-builder for garage/extras | 18:23 |
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| Darknesss | interesting news: | 18:32 |
| Darknesss | [17:20:18] <lupus> I committed most of the needed changes last friday | 18:32 |
| Darknesss | [17:20:33] <lupus> there are still a few bits that I plan to do this week | 18:32 |
| Darknesss | he is talking about the mono updates needed for os2006 | 18:32 |
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| bergie | URLs should be nicer now... http://test.maemo.org/applications/desktop-environment/ | 18:53 |
| _follower__ | aww, purdy... | 18:55 |
| _follower__ | but, that's just for the categories? | 18:55 |
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| Jaffa | part: cool, well I've got a project with no code in it ;-) | 19:00 |
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| Jaffa | _follower__: nope, http://test.maemo.org/applications/product/maemo-mapper/ works | 19:00 |
| part | Jaffa: that's always nice | 19:00 |
| _follower__ | but not in the links from http://test.maemo.org/applications/desktop-environment/ ? | 19:01 |
| _follower__ | but other than that, looks nice. will there be a link for feedbak or a forum? | 19:02 |
| _follower__ | or rating or something like that. | 19:02 |
| _follower__ | (watch out for the fallling feature creep... :-) ) | 19:02 |
| bergie | we thought about ratings but decided to skip them from this stage | 19:06 |
| Darknesss | hmm, new layout is not bad :) | 19:06 |
| bergie | still quite a bit of stuff to do | 19:07 |
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| bergie | tigert was designing the front page today | 19:07 |
| _follower__ | bergie: understandable :-) | 19:07 |
| bergie | but in any case I believe the new site will be much nicer than the old one | 19:08 |
| Darknesss | indeed | 19:08 |
| _follower__ | being able to link directly will be a big plus too. thumbs up :-) | 19:09 |
| DanielC | Does anyone know what browser is shipped with the Nokia 770? Firefox? I have a XUL app that I'd love to get working on the Nokia 770, and it could run on top of Firefox. | 19:10 |
| bergie | we'll try to import the Maemo wiki contents to the site tomorrow... old static stuff from Forrest XML files is already in on the staging side | 19:10 |
| bergie | DanielC: Opera | 19:10 |
| DanielC | :( | 19:10 |
| DanielC | Is there a Nokia 770 virtual environment that you can run on an x86 Linux? I'd like to get an Opera-based version of my program (an OpenDocument viewer). | 19:12 |
| part | _follower__: I think I already suggested some sort of rating earlier | 19:12 |
| DanielC | I mean, I would try to get it working with Opera... | 19:12 |
| part | DanielC: there's scratchbox, but opera isn't available for that | 19:13 |
| DanielC | ok | 19:13 |
| DanielC | Thanks. | 19:13 |
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| _follower__ | part: yeah, i seem to recall that | 19:13 |
| _follower__ | DanielC: you might wanna try minimo? | 19:13 |
| _follower__ | no idea if it has xul tho | 19:13 |
| DanielC | _follower__: What is minimo? Got a link? | 19:13 |
| Darknesss | which cms is being used? | 19:14 |
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| bergie | DanielC: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/minimo-maemo/ | 19:14 |
| DanielC | *click* | 19:14 |
| _follower__ | bergie: thanks :-) | 19:14 |
| Darknesss | ah, migard | 19:14 |
| bergie | Darknesss: Midgard... see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo2midgard/ | 19:14 |
| Darknesss | *midgard | 19:14 |
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| bergie | https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/45/Maemo_Midgard_Migration_Project_Feasibility_Study.pdf | 19:14 |
| _follower__ | i couldn't get it working when i last tried... something to do with the repo setup. but others seem to. | 19:14 |
| DanielC | minimo sounds good. It might work. | 19:15 |
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| _follower__ | what's the quickest way to play an mp3 file from the command line? | 19:25 |
| tunedi | mplayer? | 19:25 |
| _follower__ | sorry, i should add "that's installed on the 770 by default" :-) | 19:26 |
| tunedi | yep | 19:26 |
| _follower__ | (or, i'll also take answers involving python) | 19:26 |
| Jaffa | You can do it if gst-tools is installed, though it's not by default | 19:27 |
| _follower__ | hmmm, yeah, i think i installed that.. | 19:28 |
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| _follower__ | Jaffa: thanks for the suggestion, i think i'm going to see if i can do it easily in python, seeing as that's what i want to do eventually anyway... | 19:31 |
| VRe | df -h | 19:32 |
| VRe | ups =) | 19:32 |
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| c0ffee | .act | 20:01 |
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| nelson | Is it just me, or does sdptool browse $MAC only work once? | 20:46 |
| nelson | and thereafter generating "No route to host" errors? | 20:46 |
| nelson | Same thing for "cat /dev/rfcomm0" where rfcomm0 is bound to my GPS receiver. Works fine once, but after that I need to hcitool hci0 reset | 20:47 |
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| spaetz | â€/win baÃl | 20:59 |
| spaetz | oops | 20:59 |
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| * sp3000 started his international oops day by waking up to the sound of water dripping from the upstairs apt. oops! | 21:05 | |
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| florian | re | 21:06 |
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| keesj | nelson, bluetooth support was greatly improved in the latest it2006 release. what version are you using? | 21:28 |
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| nelson | keesj: the latest. | 22:17 |
| nelson | keesj: and yes, I agree with you that it was greatly improved. | 22:17 |
| keesj | nelson, from a few weeks ago? | 22:17 |
| nelson | yes, that one. | 22:18 |
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| * bergie just updated to the lastest it2006 image... makes me wish application catalog already had the .install files now that I need to reinstall all apps ;-) | 22:18 | |
| keesj | I really did not have any problems , but I haven't hooked my bluetooth keyboard yet, the gps with mapper works like a charm | 22:18 |
| keesj | bergie, I don't know , what happens if you installed maemo-mapper from a .deb file | 22:19 |
| keesj | and after that the repository where mapper lives is in you sources.list? | 22:19 |
| bergie | keesj: I think you can just start upgrading it via application manager then | 22:20 |
| keesj | perhaps | 22:21 |
| nelson | keesj: have you done any command-line operations? | 22:24 |
| keesj | nelson, no , I can test if you want | 22:25 |
| nelson | makes me wonder if I've done something to screw up the bluetooth system. | 22:29 |
| keesj | do you use a keyboard or something else then the gps? | 22:34 |
| nelson | I have a gps receiver and keyboard. | 22:37 |
| nelson | But .... the sdptool browse problem occurs with either or both. | 22:38 |
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| Moox | hi there. Does scheduleword works with gpe under maemo it2006 ? | 23:42 |
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