| keesj | (just looking a what squeak is) | 00:00 |
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| rev | ahhh ok | 00:00 |
| rev | i thought wxWidgets had been ported already... at least somewhat | 00:00 |
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| rev | keesj: ruby is based on smalltalk | 00:01 |
| keesj | there is an "hildon" flag to wxWidgets | 00:01 |
| rev | keesj: as the author of ruby says/used to say- ruby = (smalltalk + perl) / 2 | 00:01 |
| rev | keesj: ruby is basically Smalltalk with some perl syntax tossed in, perlish regex for instance | 00:01 |
| keesj | rev, I do know smalltalk a bit | 00:02 |
| rev | keesj: ah, neat | 00:02 |
| keesj | but smalltalk doesn't work with files right? | 00:02 |
| rev | keesj: squeak is an open source smalltalk dialect created by some of the original creaters of smalltalk | 00:02 |
| rev | keesj: can't work with them? | 00:02 |
| rev | keesj: some- not all- smalltalks implementations work on an image model rather than having a tree of files | 00:03 |
| keesj | rev, thats what I was talking about. | 00:03 |
| rev | keesj: though there are other smalltalks which use a more 1950's system like ruby, perl, python do ... GST has a fair bit of support for it, among others | 00:03 |
| keesj | I also rember using a smalltalk to java generator, to express different OO patterns | 00:04 |
| rev | keesj: but Squeak is an image-based system, though there is support for modules that come in as files and it is easy to load or export code as files | 00:04 |
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| keesj | rev about the keyboard stuff , do you want to simulate input or get input from the user? | 00:09 |
| rev | keesj: get it from the user | 00:10 |
| rev | keesj: i ported Squeak to the 770, which is X11 obviously but it doesn't use GTK... and i want to be able to type into it | 00:11 |
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| keesj | it's a nice problem , since for example I sometimes just use keyboard or synergy to interact with the 770 | 00:12 |
| keesj | So I guess your app must "request" keyboard input | 00:13 |
| rev | tko was telling me that unless a widget is focused the soft keyboard won't come up, and even if it was up it wouldn't work... apparently | 00:15 |
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| keesj | I guess he must be wright | 00:17 |
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| rev | yeah | 00:18 |
| rev | it's a bummer | 00:18 |
| rev | but i can use something like Squeak's GTK or wxWidgets bindings or just write my own soft input system for squeak | 00:18 |
| rev | i've already started writing one actually, a couple years ago for another device | 00:19 |
| rev | and it's pretty damn easy | 00:19 |
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| rev | i could probably write a soft keyboard within an hour or two, before i even had a cross compilation environment installed | 00:19 |
| keesj | this is the code that sets the input method http://maemo.org/lxr/source/gtk+/gtk/maemo-gtk-im-switch.c | 00:19 |
| rev | keesj: i need to get access to a machine for doing C dev for the nokia ... don't suppose you know of anyone sharing SSH accounts do you? | 00:21 |
| rev | i only have access right now to a PPC ibook running OS X | 00:21 |
| keesj | vmware? | 00:22 |
| rev | and it's been driving me nuts that i can't write little C apps for the nokia if i need to | 00:22 |
| rev | no vmware for O SX | 00:22 |
| rev | i could get virtual PC i guess, but it would be SO slow | 00:22 |
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| rev | keesj: also, i wonder if that C code just sets the preferred input type- it doesn't bring the specified input method up i believe | 00:24 |
| keesj | how nice squeak is | 00:24 |
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| nomis | squeak is so colorful that it puts me off. | 00:25 |
| rev | nomis: yeah, but it isn't the only way it needs to be ... i'll show you what my dev image looks like | 00:25 |
| rev | nomis: http://www.d.umn.edu/~areichow/squeak/sq-w-theme.jpg | 00:26 |
| nomis | rev: that looks nice indeed. | 00:26 |
| rev | keesj: i like it a ton myself... one of the best things about smalltalk isn't the language so much as the environment around it- smalltalk traditionally has a very strong and mature class library and a really good, useful development environment. squeak is no exception. and by dev env i don't mean some cheesy IDE that is a pain in the ass and gets in the way, but rather an IDE that is modular, tool-based, interactive (like python's R | 00:27 |
| rev | EPL, but a lot more), simple yet really helpful and powerful | 00:27 |
| rev | nomis: there i'm using a package that lets me use any IceWM theme i want | 00:27 |
| rev | nomis: and i'm just using the Bluecurve theme, which i like the look of | 00:28 |
| nomis | at some point I'll look at smalltalk again. | 00:28 |
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| * rev nods | 00:31 | |
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| rev | i am always afraid to come off like a frothy-mouthed evalgalist ... so i hope i don't do that. but i really like smalltalk, personally, and feel like it could use a bit more exposure, esp amoung the F/OSS set | 00:32 |
| rev | bbiab ... gotta go pick up my wife from work. but if you want to discuss this more nomis, i'd love to. :) | 00:34 |
| Tak | f/oss people love frothy-mouthed evangelists ;-) | 00:35 |
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| tagtag | hi, i need to mount my n770 but my dmesg don't find nothing... which kind of file system use by default? | 00:42 |
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| FireSt0rM | How does one get a full install of perl on the 770? The perl that's on there seems to be missing many essential modules. | 00:54 |
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| Jaffa | FireSt0rM: if you add repository.maemo.org, you can apt-get install perl - that worked enough for me to apt-get install libnet-www-perl and get "lwp-download" etc. | 00:58 |
| FireSt0rM | does that also install cpan? | 00:59 |
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| littlefae | Well, hullo there maemo peeps. | 01:00 |
| FireSt0rM | Jaffa: Couldn't find package libnet-www-perl? | 01:01 |
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| littlefae | Any news on the possibility of an irc client that uses the GUI, or, perhaps a method to get the thumboard in xterm, I am a lil irked by the pickboard with its 5mm wide buttons. :) | 01:08 |
| FireSt0rM | Is it possible to move the rootfs to mmc card without having to erase everything and reinstall? | 01:10 |
| FireSt0rM | littlefae: GAIM does IRC | 01:11 |
| littlefae | GAIM stable on the 770 then? | 01:11 |
| FireSt0rM | Works relatively well for me | 01:12 |
| littlefae | There a respository with all these stable apps, none seem to pop up in my app manager, added garage, maemo, the tableteer sites, and some misc one for 'becomeroot' | 01:12 |
| FireSt0rM | Some apps aren't in any reps | 01:13 |
| FireSt0rM | Go to the ApplicationRepository2006 (if you're running 2006) | 01:14 |
| FireSt0rM | See if GAIM is in a rep | 01:14 |
| littlefae | Okay, thats installing. :) | 01:20 |
| FireSt0rM | :) | 01:20 |
| littlefae | Now, all I need is tinyfugue and my device is 100% perfection. :) | 01:21 |
| Veggen | I'm gonna test the usefulness of it. gonna go abroad two weeks, no laptop with me :) (only my 770) | 01:21 |
| littlefae | Brave, but I think you may be happy to. :) | 01:22 |
| littlefae | Only a few things irk me about it, compiling stuff to run on it, actually, is the only irk. | 01:22 |
| Veggen | well. I don't really need a laptop, but I do like to check my mail and have access to web etc. Installed squirrelmail the other day, it's quite usable (and better on the 770 than mutt in an xterm. Never got the builtin client to work properly) | 01:23 |
| FireSt0rM | Anybody here actually done the ExtendedRootFilesystem? | 01:23 |
| littlefae | Only had it two days | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | you installed squirrelmail where? | 01:24 |
| Veggen | on my own server, where my mail is :) | 01:24 |
| FireSt0rM | Ah | 01:24 |
| Veggen | (webmail) | 01:24 |
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| FireSt0rM | Yeah, I got that part ;) | 01:26 |
| FireSt0rM | you guys haven't done the extended rootfs? | 01:27 |
| FireSt0rM | Not that you've had time yet fae, hehe | 01:27 |
| littlefae | No idea what it is, and isn't within my mandate | 01:27 |
| FireSt0rM | Allows you to extend the memory of your nokia onto the external memory | 01:27 |
| littlefae | In that case, yup, did it | 01:28 |
| Veggen | I find that the builtin rootfs isn't that small. I use it almost only for programs, and store things on the card. | 01:28 |
| littlefae | I did the extend memory onto mmc option by 8MB | 01:28 |
| Veggen | oh, it's not that. that's swap. Also a necessity, I guess? | 01:28 |
| littlefae | Dunno, hasn't enhanced a thing to be honest. And MMC bandwidth seems sluggish | 01:29 |
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| littlefae | Lets test this.. | 01:31 |
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| FireSt0rM | I want to install the full perl insatll... which is like 28Mb | 01:35 |
| FireSt0rM | I only have 28Mb left ;) | 01:35 |
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| FireSt0rM | You can also install a kernel patch which speeds up MMC speeds | 01:38 |
| Littlefae | Well it works. | 01:38 |
| FireSt0rM | ;) | 01:39 |
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| rev | FireSt0rM: what are you going to run w/ perl on your nokia? | 01:39 |
| FireSt0rM | Want to try running a port knocking-style utility | 01:40 |
| FireSt0rM | It's actually a Single Packet Authorization utilityh | 01:41 |
| FireSt0rM | Requires 3-4 non-standard modules | 01:42 |
| FireSt0rM | eg. Crypt::CBC | 01:42 |
| FireSt0rM | Rijndael | 01:42 |
| Littlefae | Now, I am no cracker, but, this thing would be great as a wifi analysis and WEP decryptor... | 01:42 |
| FireSt0rM | It is... BUT... the processor's too slow to get anywhere fast. | 01:42 |
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| Littlefae | True, takes a fast machine about 11 hours ti analyse enough. Hate to think hw long it would take on here | 01:44 |
| rev | i used to have a 40 MB or so perl install on my WinCE machine | 01:45 |
| rev | FireSt0rM: is there any GUI toolkit, through gtk or even tk, suppoer for perl on the 770? | 01:45 |
| FireSt0rM | umm... possibly GTK | 01:46 |
| FireSt0rM | But I may be talking crap | 01:46 |
| rev | it was really awesome to have a full perl install on my CE handheld PC... even Perl/Tk was there and worked like a champ, as well as a simple perl IDE. it was really awesome to be able to develop lots of code on it, it was fun as hell. | 01:46 |
| * rev nods | 01:46 | |
| Littlefae | This might sound like a childish comment, but; is anyone else in awe of this things screen qualuty? | 01:47 |
| Littlefae | It's like a crackberry, only better. | 01:48 |
| FireSt0rM | Yeah.. it has a VERY good screen | 01:49 |
| FireSt0rM | I was surprised | 01:49 |
| FireSt0rM | But you need a good screen when staring at such small text | 01:50 |
| Littlefae | My only 'niggle' with it, is that the stylus makes rainbows when used. Temporarily, but raises the question over how durable it actually is. | 01:51 |
| FireSt0rM | Mm yeah | 01:52 |
| FireSt0rM | My 'niggle' with it is the processor speed | 01:52 |
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| Littlefae | That was a q I had, how/can I get podcasts straight from web/rss to the device? The rss reader doesn't seem to pick up the enclosure tags. | 01:54 |
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| FireSt0rM | Umm. | 01:59 |
| FireSt0rM | You don't. lol | 02:00 |
| FireSt0rM | At least I don't think you can | 02:00 |
| Littlefae | Something to work on then. :) | 02:01 |
| FireSt0rM | Apple needs to make iTunes for the 770 ;) | 02:01 |
| Littlefae | Hellll yes | 02:01 |
| FireSt0rM | But then again... Apple is probably releasing their own tablet soon | 02:01 |
| FireSt0rM | THAT's what I want. | 02:02 |
| Littlefae | Or, at least some decen AAC support frim Nokia | 02:02 |
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| Littlefae | None of mt unencrypted files plat on this thing. Did on all my cellphones, save the RAZR | 02:03 |
| Littlefae | my typing is the suck | 02:03 |
| Littlefae | Mplayer seems a lil busted. All my mime types were messed up., | 02:05 |
| Littlefae | Know of any decent PIM? | 02:07 |
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| rev | hey | 02:17 |
| rev | this router i have sucks | 02:18 |
| rev | i had a ton to say to FireSt0rM and Littlefae ... but the router was dead, but it hadn't registered yet, so much for that | 02:18 |
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| Littlefa1 | Can a mod boot littlefae off for me please? My 770 crashed | 02:30 |
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| FireSt0rM | Hey rev... | 03:26 |
| FireSt0rM | You yelled? | 03:26 |
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| htaccess | is 1.2006.26-8 equivalent to "Internet Tablet 2005 OS edition"? | 03:47 |
| htaccess | im trying to install http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/files/osso-xterm_0.11_arm.deb which is for "Internet Tablet 2005 OS edition" on a nokia 770 1.2006.26-8 but the Application manager complains: unable to install package is incompatible with current software | 03:49 |
| FireSt0rM | The 2006 version is installed through the application manager | 03:56 |
| FireSt0rM | go to http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ | 03:56 |
| FireSt0rM | and follow the instructions at the top of the page | 03:57 |
| htaccess | FireSt0rM: which version am i using if i have 1.2006.26-8? | 03:57 |
| FireSt0rM | 2006 | 03:58 |
| FireSt0rM | You can also install these files manually | 03:58 |
| FireSt0rM | http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/files/test/ | 03:58 |
| FireSt0rM | off to bed | 04:00 |
| FireSt0rM | night | 04:00 |
| htaccess | FireSt0rM: thanks, my confusion arose from thinking i was running the 2005 version, i just added a new source to the application manager, thanks | 04:07 |
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