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| PatrickBatman | hello! is this a good place to ask questions about running debian in a chroot on an N900? | 04:17 |
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| Manjiri | How do I install new fonts on N900 | 14:39 |
| Manjiri | Copied the font file to MyDocs | 14:41 |
| Manjiri | Then created a folder .fonts and copied the font file there. | 14:41 |
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| PatrickBatman | hi! I'm looking for a good place to start to work with the Easy Debian application on maemo. is this a good place? | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - the touchscreen might be a good starting point. | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean? | 18:05 |
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| PatrickBatman | hey, thanks for a sarcastic reply! | 18:06 |
| PatrickBatman | I'm looking to remaster my own debian image | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - bt your question is rather vague | 18:06 |
| PatrickBatman | chroot style | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the problem? | 18:06 |
| PatrickBatman | the one that I downloaded had a bunch of broken deps due to the author installing openoffice.org | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean you want to compile everthing? | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Or you want to ... | 18:07 |
| PatrickBatman | no, I want to start with a base system and build it up from there | 18:07 |
| PatrickBatman | I don't care about openoffice.org | 18:07 |
| PatrickBatman | the end goal is to get ruby installed | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | First thing you need to get a toolchain up and building stuff. | 18:07 |
| PatrickBatman | which requires a compiler for some native extensions | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | i suspect ##debian is actually going to be more appropriate | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe they can point you to how ARM images are typically built | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | As this isn't a n900 question really. | 18:08 |
| PatrickBatman | cool, but you're saying that I can use the Maemo SDK as the environment to work in and that should copy to the N900 and run if I do it right? | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The only n900 bits are really to get it to display properly - which are 'normal' X commands | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that the SDK environ is setup as the debian compile scripts would expect. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | One option might be to get build-essentials installed, and go from there. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | But that may be a silly option. | 18:10 |
| PatrickBatman | ha! just tried that. | 18:10 |
| PatrickBatman | not so good | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not managed to get build essentials setup. | 18:10 |
| PatrickBatman | broke some deps | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It seemed to want to swap out libc for a different version | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Or that's how I was reading it - it's my first encounter with aptitude | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Which diddn't go well. | 18:10 |
| PatrickBatman | yup. dude who made the chroot installed his own backported version to get openoffice.org 3 compiled | 18:10 |
| PatrickBatman | lesson #1 never backport libc6 | 18:11 |
| PatrickBatman | though I'm thinking I might be able to get away with upgrading to squeeze | 18:11 |
| PatrickBatman | I have a lot of debian experience but this is my first maemo device :) | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Great! | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought I was doing something stupid. | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you tried contacting the author, and asking how he built it? | 18:14 |
| PatrickBatman | not yet. I hoped he might be here. | 18:14 |
| PatrickBatman | but that's the next step | 18:14 |
| PatrickBatman | thanks for your help | 18:16 |
| PatrickBatman | new software communities are always a bit intimidating at first | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Not heard of him - either here - or on #maemo | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | This channel tends to be low-traffic | 18:16 |
| PatrickBatman | especially weird ones made by global corporations like Nokia | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What're you hoping to do? | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Well | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | In many ways this isn't that. | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | #maemo existed more-or-less independantly of nokia for a while | 18:17 |
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| PatrickBatman | oh? I didn't know that. | 18:25 |
| PatrickBatman | my hopes are to install ruby and some binaries that I use for development | 18:25 |
| PatrickBatman | as well as some audio software I use on the desktop | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather - there has been a history of community not always towing the nokia line. | 18:26 |
| PatrickBatman | basically to make the N900 my portable computer and my laptop a desktop :) | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | A nice simple debian image with a compiler would be very nice. | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For many people. | 18:26 |
| PatrickBatman | for sure | 18:26 |
| PatrickBatman | I launched openoffice.org draw and it was sooooo dumb | 18:27 |
| PatrickBatman | the buttons alone take up 2/3 of the screen | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Though actually - _properly_ done - it could be interesting. | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - imagine a desktop window that scrolled on flick | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | and the zoom buttons work | 18:28 |
| PatrickBatman | possibly. I'm more interested in things like ereaders and web applications | 18:29 |
| PatrickBatman | having firefox available is really awesome | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | fbreader works well for me | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I want firefox 1.5 | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It worked well in a similar ram environment on my PII/300 | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | One major issue with a chroot is that you have two sets of libraries mmaped all the time. So memory use is even more important. | 18:30 |
| PatrickBatman | good point | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at the PSS or USS of some of the maemo stuff. | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really quite good in many cases | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In some - not - worldclock for example | 18:31 |
| PatrickBatman | ouch! freemantle SDK is not nice to my disk layout | 18:41 |
| PatrickBatman | puts many gigs in directories on / | 18:42 |
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| thecoolman4m-qt4 | hey guys... I've got some question about maemo-qt developement... | 23:37 |
| thecoolman4m-qt4 | actually I think it is pretty simple...all I want to do is to develope in Version 4.5.2, because it is the currently stable one for maemo... but the thing is... all SDKs I get are either not for maemo or 4.6.2... I developed with QT before but only for a desktop environment... | 23:37 |
| thecoolman4m-qt4 | what I already tried to do was downloading the complete SDK for Ubuntu (4.6.2), for Windows (4.5.2, 4.6.1 and 4.6.2) but I'm not sure if I can usw the libraries fo the 4.5.2 version for maemo just like I use them for desktops.. -.- | 23:37 |
| thecoolman4m-qt4 | someone willing to help me? I googled my *** off last night trying to find a solution... | 23:38 |
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