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| jebba | VDVsx: i'll set you for founder ok? | 02:32 |
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| jebba | VDVsx: you have to run this command to be founder: /msg ChanServ SET #maemo-devel FOUNDER VDVsx | 02:34 |
| jebba | or i can do it to someone else if you prefer | 02:34 |
| VDVsx | jebba, I don't need to be a founder, we only need a way to kick trolls :P | 03:01 |
| VDVsx | and prevent channel hijack :) | 03:01 |
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| VDVsx | buhh can't change topic :P | 03:13 |
| jebba | VDVsx: just run that above command and take over dude ;) | 03:15 |
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| VDVsx | jebba, don't think so | 03:15 |
| VDVsx | the channel seems to be registered :P | 03:16 |
| jebba | /msg ChanServ SET #maemo-devel FOUNDER VDVsx | 03:18 |
| jebba | you run that? | 03:18 |
| jebba | once you're founder i assume you can do WTF you want | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, why become founder? | 03:23 |
| jebba | so he can do all the Ops stuff | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba, it's sufficient to be +O to dtalk to chanserv, no? | 03:24 |
| jebba | i'm just punting it, and that's one way to do it. if you have another command, give it to me but i'm doing 50 things and am not gonna read freenode docs to find all the commands ;) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /msg chanserv op #maeno-devel | 03:25 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o VDVsx | 03:28 | |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo-devel | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-devel-irclog/ | http://maemo.org/development/ | WARNING: Trolls will be booted on first troll" | 03:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:28 |
| jebba | voila | 03:29 |
| VDVsx | :) | 03:29 |
| VDVsx | my bad I was looking at maemo-ui, that one is 'locked' it seems | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn channels spammers. | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I gotta make a new tab group. :P | 03:30 |
| VDVsx | :P | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: /msg chanserv deop #maemo-devel | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | recommended | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno why | 03:34 |
| jebba | /msg chanserv deop #maemo-devel | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also see /msg chanserv topic|toppicappend|topicprepend foo bar | 03:40 |
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| jebba | you don't have to run the flasher-3.5 program to update the kernel, just installing kernel, kernel-modules, then the kernel-flasher rpm that gets built when you build a kernel is enough. | 07:18 |
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| ruskie | mmm chanops | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morning thp :) | 10:53 |
| ruskie | hmm anyone checked if dmcrypt is supported or loop devices and losetup? | 11:20 |
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| jebba | not in the current kernel afaik | 11:27 |
| jebba | luks support would be best | 11:27 |
| ruskie | hmm I see loop devices and a losetup | 11:27 |
| jebba | at the moment, we're hosed if we lost our fones | 11:27 |
| ruskie | will need to try it | 11:28 |
| jebba | i saw in talk.m.o that someone had built modules for something like that | 11:28 |
| ruskie | I'd be happy with gpg encrypted disk.img | 11:28 |
| ruskie | and losetup that and mount it | 11:28 |
| ruskie | I think the one thing that I'd be missing now is a passcode entry app | 11:30 |
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| ruskie | http://dooble.sourceforge.net/ <-- interesting | 11:56 |
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| jebba | hmm, SmartReflex is enabled in the kernel, but not being used. | 12:03 |
| ruskie | what is that? | 12:03 |
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| ruskie | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=417989&postcount=11 <-- rofl | 12:03 |
| jebba | SmartReflex can perform continuous dynamic voltage scaling around the nominal operating point voltage according to silicon characteristics and operating │ conditions. Enabling SmartReflex reduces power consumption. | 12:04 |
| jebba | Please note, that by default SmartReflex is only initialized. To enable the automatic voltage compensation for VDD1 and VDD2, user must write 1 to /sys/power/sr_vddX_autocomp, where X is 1 or 2. | 12:04 |
| ruskie | ahh | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: that's done in preinit afaik | 12:04 |
| jebba | $ cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp | 12:05 |
| jebba | 0 | 12:05 |
| jebba | ~ $ cat /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp | 12:05 |
| jebba | 0 | 12:05 |
| jebba | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP: ya, that's enabled (statically) in the kernel ruskie | 12:17 |
| jebba | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP: is not enabled however | 12:17 |
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| ruskie | don't need cryptoloop ;) | 12:30 |
| ruskie | as said will use gpg to do the encryption | 12:30 |
| ruskie | or so I hope | 12:30 |
| ruskie | hmm or maybe dmroot | 12:32 |
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| jebba | hmm. i may be blind, but i dont see the debug option that is needed to use powertop. it's early and i didnt sleep much and i forget it's name offhand, but i dont see it on the list ;) | 12:39 |
| ruskie | I tried running powertop | 12:39 |
| ruskie | it failed | 12:39 |
| ruskie | so I'm guessing there is something missing | 12:39 |
| jebba | ya. maybe that hit mainline after 2.6.28, but i thought it was there by then | 12:40 |
| ruskie | well maybe we can hope for a newer kernel release then :) | 12:42 |
| ruskie | I wish there was some way I could lock the camera port so that it would require a bit more than a light touch to open it | 12:43 |
| simeoni | powertop failed for me when I ran it the first time, but worked when I reran it right after. | 12:43 |
| jebba | i'm not sure how many of the drivers in there that are rx51 (n900) specific are in upstream kernels (eg linux-omap). Nokia doesn't make a public git tree or anything of what they are working on, so dragging the drivers to newer kernels could be problematic. It's something i'm 100% sure i will look at though. Just getting up to speed on it now. | 12:43 |
| ruskie | well iirc the wifi driver is upstream | 12:44 |
| jebba | simeoni: really? hmm. well thats good. I must have just missed it somehow then | 12:44 |
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| simeoni | jebba, yeah. The same behaviour was also confirmed by someone else. | 12:44 |
| jebba | ruskie: i'll compile a list at some point of what's where and what's missing. | 12:44 |
| ruskie | hmm | 12:45 |
| ruskie | seems like it works now... | 12:45 |
| jebba | ~ $ sudo powertop | 12:45 |
| jebba | Powertop 1.13.3 | 12:45 |
| jebba | status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon | 12:45 |
| jebba | Mounting debugfs...FAILED | 12:45 |
| jebba | ~ $ sudo powertop | 12:45 |
| jebba | Powertop 1.13.3 | 12:45 |
| jebba | status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon | 12:45 |
| jebba | Sleeping for 11 seconds before sampling | 12:45 |
| jebba | Collecting data for 30 seconds | 12:45 |
| jebba | so ignore what i said above i guess ;) | 12:45 |
| ruskie | 95% in c3 | 12:46 |
| ruskie | nicely optimized | 12:46 |
| jebba | ah, but it doesnt run continuously like powertop i've seen elsewhere, fwiw | 12:47 |
| ruskie | yup | 12:47 |
| ruskie | just collects for half a minute | 12:47 |
| jebba | you can set how long you want it to sample for | 12:47 |
| jebba | -t %d Sample interval | 12:47 |
| ruskie | hmm nokia-maps-core and related goobles up 17mbs | 12:48 |
| ruskie | hmm and need a dpkg -L of -core -ui and -maplets to rm from the rootfs | 12:50 |
| jebba | hildon-welcome-default-logo there's one | 12:51 |
| jebba | you'll boot up faster too | 12:51 |
| ruskie | removed it already | 12:51 |
| ruskie | :) | 12:51 |
| ruskie | I have a HUGE removelist ;) | 12:51 |
| jebba | heh | 12:51 |
| jebba | cool | 12:51 |
| jebba | put it up somewhere | 12:51 |
| ruskie | http://sprunge.us/AbBB | 12:52 |
| ruskie | have a go ;) | 12:52 |
| jebba | thx | 12:53 |
| jebba | ah i think i like sprunge :) | 12:54 |
| ruskie | :) | 12:55 |
| ruskie | cat file | curl -> get paste url back ;) | 12:55 |
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| ruskie | hmm can you pastebin me a dpkg -L nokia-maps-core nokia-maps-ui nokia-maps-maplet | 12:57 |
| jebba | nokia-maps-maplets by the way (s) | 12:58 |
| ruskie | ok | 12:58 |
| jebba | hmm, no curl available gah | 12:58 |
| ruskie | sucks | 12:59 |
| jebba | 1 sec will copy it over | 12:59 |
| ruskie | thanks | 12:59 |
| jebba | http://sprunge.us/PNUJ | 13:00 |
| jebba | any clue how long they archive for? | 13:00 |
| ruskie | nope | 13:00 |
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| ruskie | 68% free on rootfs | 13:08 |
| ruskie | not bad :) | 13:08 |
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| ruskie | I could actually rm the entire /usr from it but I'm keeping it | 13:09 |
| ruskie | I wonder though why I can't run ntpd on the n900 :( | 13:14 |
| jebba | i'm at 89% full which isn't bad considering i've added a bit from extras-devel and haven't actively gone thru and done a big purge like you. | 13:16 |
| jebba | (also considering i usually run my laptop at 99% full--though recently a new 256G SSD has helped out there!) :))) | 13:17 |
| ruskie | well it's not only the purge | 13:18 |
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| ruskie | I also have /usr mounted to a emmc partition | 13:18 |
| ruskie | I have some stuff from devel as well as testing | 13:18 |
| ruskie | I dislike craptops | 13:19 |
| ruskie | I have an eeepc 701 but it's more or less there for whatever... not really much used | 13:19 |
| jebba | ah, ya, recent checkins to linux-omap from nokia, so i guess that pretty much is their git tree | 13:19 |
| ruskie | maybe just some things they push upstream | 13:19 |
| jebba | ruskie: ah, 701, you should install freeeee http://freeeee.org/ ;) (note usually the site is turned off) | 13:21 |
| ruskie | I run openbsd on it | 13:21 |
| jebba | ah ya. nice. freeeee is better though. Used to run openbsd-current on a zaurus C-3100 or whatever that model was. | 13:23 |
| ruskie | not really | 13:24 |
| jebba | heh | 13:24 |
| ruskie | I have 1 mythbuntu, 1 xubuntu(mom's), 2 source mage and 2 openbsd systems | 13:24 |
| ruskie | ow and one maemo naturally ;) | 13:24 |
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| chaosteil | hey | 13:34 |
| chaosteil | just wanted to ask.. am I the only one when trying to use profiles_free_profiles() from libprofile who gets a double free error? | 13:34 |
| chaosteil | ah, okay, got it, nvm | 13:37 |
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| jebba | ok, building latest linux-omap git kernel...we'll see how this goes... | 13:46 |
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| jebba | oh so close......... http://sprunge.us/fADC | 14:20 |
| ruskie | argh | 14:21 |
| jebba | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/x86/linux-2.6-tip.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ff6cfd70720780234fdfea636218c2a62b31287 | 14:22 |
| jebba | that's the fix | 14:22 |
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| jebba | ok, lets see if i patched that correctly. I'm a noob @ deb packaging | 14:43 |
| jebba | run ccache run! | 14:43 |
| ruskie | well I'm used to packaging but for a source based distro | 14:43 |
| ruskie | and find deb packaging annoying | 14:43 |
| jebba | i guess just plonking it in debian/patches and adding the filename to debian/series doesn't do the trick :( | 14:49 |
| jebba | ah, that's just with quilt | 14:50 |
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| jebba | phukkit,just kludge it into the tarball til i figure out the proper way... | 15:02 |
| jebba | http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap /me boggles | 15:13 |
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| xorAxAx | so devel issues are off topic on #maemo? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's more like people have a place to go when there's too much noise | 15:29 |
| ruskie | this is just the low-noise channel ;) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | (as i understood it0 | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | in #-ux it's possible to get UI advice pretty easily as well | 15:30 |
| ruskie | you know like we want to figure out some particular thing without having 20 people talking over it | 15:30 |
| xorAxAx | how about a n900 chan? :) | 15:30 |
| ruskie | whatever for ;) | 15:32 |
| jebba | woo hoo kernel_2.6.32-0.6833f1a8_armel.deb | 15:41 |
| jebba | now lets see if it works haha | 15:41 |
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| fnordianslip | place your bets on jebba's kernel running now | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | if he doesn't have a serial console, very little | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| jebba | fnordiansliphaha | 15:47 |
| jebba | i would like to keep the old kernel installed at the same time | 15:47 |
| jebba | but dpkg -i just replaces the old kernel | 15:47 |
| fnordianslip | don't you have to flash the kernel? | 15:48 |
| jebba | cuz if i can keep both installed, i can just reflash the zImage and it will revert to it's old /lib/modules/2.6.28 | 15:48 |
| jebba | ya | 15:48 |
| fnordianslip | oh. i c | 15:48 |
| jebba | but would be nice to have both 2.6.28 and 2.6.32 kernel modules | 15:48 |
| jebba | anyway to keep both. I know you can with rpm, fwiw | 15:48 |
| jebba | and in other debian installs i've done it keeps old kernel when upgradign (iirc) | 15:49 |
| jebba | this way, if i fuck it, i can just run the maemo_flasher/flasher-3.5 -k zImage, and it will debrick | 15:49 |
| fnordianslip | can't you copy them and put them back after installing the new ones? | 15:49 |
| jebba | I guess i could just manually copy the modules, but would be cleaner to have both. | 15:49 |
| jebba | ya | 15:49 |
| jebba | i'll just do that for now | 15:49 |
| fnordianslip | gl | 15:50 |
| jebba | gonna reboot 2.6.28 again just to make sure i have that even working (i have a build of that going, but i just bumped version, nothing more) | 15:53 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: oh, and next kernel build, i'm going to enable framebuffer console so i can see the text as it boots :P | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | good | 15:53 |
| jebba | ok, 2.6.28 booted at least ;) | 15:54 |
| ruskie | mmm I want the console as well | 15:54 |
| jebba | sudo dpkg -i kernel_2.6.32-0.6833f1a8_armel.deb kernel-modules_2.6.32-0.6833f1a8_armel.deb | 15:55 |
| jebba | sudo dpkg -i kernel-flasher_2.6.32-0.6833f1a8_armel.deb | 15:55 |
| jebba | gulp. that went ok. here goes reboot... | 15:55 |
| jebba | damn, i havent been this nervous rebooting a kernel in 10 years ;) | 15:55 |
| fnordianslip | any way of getting console over ssh? | 15:55 |
| jebba | whoa, almost forgot to copy the old modules back in case i have to revert hahaha | 15:56 |
| fnordianslip | or telnet? | 15:56 |
| jebba | fnordianslip well, netconsole and stuff, but would need to build kernel for that in particular too | 15:56 |
| jebba | this is the stock config for rx51 from linux-ompa | 15:56 |
| fnordianslip | worth a though perhaps | 15:56 |
| jebba | omap | 15:56 |
| fnordianslip | thought, even | 15:56 |
| jebba | ok here goes | 15:57 |
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| jebba | uh, so far, not so good ;) | 15:57 |
| argontus | did it boot? | 15:58 |
| fnordianslip | did it explode? | 15:58 |
| jebba | lemme just pop the battery out real quick ahahaha | 15:58 |
| argontus | ;D sounds great | 15:58 |
| jebba | definitely need the framebuffer.... | 15:59 |
| jebba | console | 15:59 |
| jebba | i may have realllllly made a true brick | 15:59 |
| * fnordianslip likes the usb attached serial and jtag ports on his sheevaplug | 15:59 | |
| fnordianslip | did it do anything? | 16:00 |
| jebba | well, it appeared to load (i still get initial white nokia screen and stuff) | 16:01 |
| jebba | and the screen distorts, then black.... | 16:01 |
| jebba | gonna flash old zimage to see how hosed i am | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | not hosed | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | you might get into a state where it needs a proper bootup, shut down properly, and then it's able to restart | 16:01 |
| jebba | oh man, thank god | 16:04 |
| jebba | i was able to revert to my previously built zimage ok | 16:04 |
| jebba | and it found the backup /lib/modules I copied over. | 16:06 |
| jebba | well, so that's one "procedure" for testing kernels i guess. Good to know it can be recovered from with just a simple kernel flash. | 16:06 |
| jebba | i swear i cooked something in there tho | 16:06 |
| fnordianslip | does it smell? | 16:07 |
| jebba | fnordianslip, there any way to do a USB/serial thing on n900? | 16:07 |
| jebba | YES! | 16:07 |
| jebba | if by smell you meant does it smell like burnt electronics, the answer is yes. | 16:08 |
| jebba | not hot tho | 16:08 |
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| fnordianslip | dunno. haven't got brave enuff to get adventurous with mine yet. bad news about the smell | 16:09 |
| jebba | all seems to be working fine. I can ssh in, make calls, etc. | 16:09 |
| fnordianslip | fingers crossed then | 16:09 |
| jebba | i think next step is to actually *look* at the patches that are in 2.6.28 and compare with what has made it upstream... | 16:10 |
| jebba | i gotta get another one of these as a backup fone to actually use, cuz if i lose this i'm kind of foneless, cuz my old fone is t.r.a.s.h.ed. | 16:11 |
| jebba | too bad they are obscenely expensive in .ar ... | 16:11 |
| fnordianslip | argentina? | 16:13 |
| jebba | y | 16:15 |
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| ruskie | yay got the n900 privacy guard | 16:33 |
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| jebba | hasnt exploded yet! :) | 16:50 |
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| ruskie | hmmm quite a thick protector | 16:57 |
| ruskie | but it does fill out the bevel nicely | 16:57 |
| ruskie | not sure if I'll stick with it | 16:58 |
| ruskie | but I'll give it a try | 16:58 |
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| misiek | hello devs | 19:09 |
| misiek | I have a small question... | 19:09 |
| misiek | is it possible to compile linux drivers on x86 platform and run them under emulator? | 19:10 |
| misiek | insted of running them directly on the device... | 19:10 |
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| VDVsx | misiek, probably, I think this depends on sbox, but should work | 19:11 |
| Khertan | Hi | 19:11 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, you were working on google sync stuff? i have a working multicalendar one way sync which i am in process of making a dbus service so i can do the ui in python...what have you worked on? | 19:12 |
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| Khertan | zaheerm: i'm not working on it for the moment ... but yes i ve made in the past a dual sync / multi calendar google sync | 19:14 |
| Khertan | the hard part currently is accessing in python to the native calendar application | 19:14 |
| Khertan | as i ven't see any api yet | 19:14 |
| zaheerm | ok i've done that with the native calendar | 19:15 |
| zaheerm | done it in c++ because that is the api provided | 19:15 |
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| Khertan | multicalendar one way << not in the both way ? | 19:18 |
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| zaheerm | both ways is not too hard | 19:20 |
| zaheerm | i want to just slap a ui on first | 19:20 |
| zaheerm | both ways meaning events on local device get synced to google | 19:22 |
| zaheerm | http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4164018365/ is a screenshot | 19:24 |
| Khertan | but the ui can be clearly minimalist ... | 19:28 |
| zaheerm | yas but writing ui in c++ is shitty | 19:28 |
| Khertan | a control panel ... with prefs ... and viewing the sync log | 19:28 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: yep :) | 19:28 |
| Khertan | in python too ... as there is many errors in the docs : | 19:28 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:28 |
| zaheerm | so i am writing a dbus interface on my c++ sync app, and using python for ui | 19:28 |
| zaheerm | but yah someone told me you worked on stuff, so i'm making sure we don't duplicate efforts | 19:29 |
| Khertan | i'll try to look friday if i can do a simple control panel with login / pass / view sync logs / and some prefs like device always erase conflicting events | 19:29 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: not yet | 19:30 |
| Khertan | i was working on something else like the a todos with a web site and sync | 19:30 |
| Khertan | as google todo sucks :) | 19:30 |
| Khertan | and i don't like the one in fremantle in the calendar | 19:30 |
| zaheerm | my code is at http://github.com/zaheerm/mgcalsync/ (though dbus interface stuff is not pushed there yet) | 19:31 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: did you know that Mail For Exchange already have a sync with google ? | 19:31 |
| zaheerm | yes but not multicalendar | 19:31 |
| zaheerm | and i have multiple google accoutns each with at least 10 calendars | 19:31 |
| zaheerm | so it doesn't work for me | 19:32 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, homeasvs is working on todo and sync stuff using couchdb/python etc. | 19:32 |
| Khertan | yep me too i use many calendar | 19:32 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: yep ... but i ve a strange vision of todo :) | 19:33 |
| zaheerm | his vision is strange too :) | 19:33 |
| zaheerm | maybe you guys could collaborate | 19:33 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: it ll look like something like that | 19:34 |
| Khertan | http://www.monsterup.com/image.php?url=upload/1259952939798.png | 19:34 |
| Khertan | and i ll not use a proprietary db ... but a ics file for storage | 19:35 |
| Khertan | standard ... simple ! | 19:35 |
| Khertan | oups monsterup.com doesn't seems to work | 19:36 |
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| ruskie | hmm just remember that my first nokia 5110 device id was NX-51 kinda fits with the RX-51 :) | 20:50 |
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| jebba | some people raise their kids christian anti muslim, some socialist anticapitalist. mine likes jackd; anti pulseaudio ;) | 22:03 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:04 |
| wnd | well it's only natural to be anti-pa | 22:05 |
| ruskie | and I'm anti-all sound servers :) | 22:07 |
| wnd | they have their place in the world but I don't need them -- or at least I don't know I need them | 22:08 |
| woglinde | ruskie sure and how will you handle sound in cell phones? | 22:08 |
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| ruskie | woglinde, doesn't alsa have softvol and dmix? | 22:18 |
| ruskie | ossv4 has something similar built in as well | 22:18 |
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| detective | hey guys, is a testing marathon planed in near future? O_o | 22:31 |
| woglinde | bugday | 22:32 |
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| VDVsx | detective, need some testing ? | 22:33 |
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| detective | VDVsx: yep | 22:34 |
| VDVsx | which app ? | 22:35 |
| detective | VDVsx: irssi | 22:35 |
| VDVsx | that's a CLI app ? | 22:36 |
| ruskie | generally is | 22:43 |
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