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| JohnFlux | hey all | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | 42 minutes till bug day starts, off for some CoD :) | 18:18 |
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| andre__ | you are in the wrong timezone. :-P I still have 70min I think | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | oops, forgot daylight saving XD | 19:02 |
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| lma | Hi everyone! | 19:26 |
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| andre__ | heja | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | hey lma | 19:29 |
| eikkka_ | hey, is this the right place to ask help for solving bugs with applications etc? | 19:29 |
| eikkka_ | i'm having problems with the extra IM protocols for maemo, mainly facebook | 19:32 |
| eikkka_ | is there a way to get the facebook chat to the conversations without the respawning duplicate contacts that always come back after merging? | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nope, this is for reporting bugs and trying to reproduce them | 19:32 |
| eikkka_ | oh, alright | 19:32 |
| eikkka_ | should i go to #maemo for my question? | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | Use Jabber though | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes | 19:33 |
| eikkka_ | oh. | 19:33 |
| eikkka_ | okay | 19:33 |
| eikkka_ | i'll try jabber, then | 19:33 |
| eikkka_ | thanks a bunch :) | 19:33 |
| eikkka_ | later | 19:33 |
| andre__ | hmm, dup contacts... yeah, known issue. there should be a bug report about it. | 19:33 |
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| * andre__ ran into it again a few days ago. no good | 19:33 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | andre__, switch to Jabber, it's officially supported by Facebook now | 19:36 |
| andre__ | didn't refer to FB chat, I think it was using ICQ | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, he was using facebook, so I just assumed | 19:37 |
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| andre__ | hmm. I had hoped that PR1.2 would be out for the next bugday (this one). Pity :) | 20:00 |
| lma | I had hoped it would be out while I still had a N900 to test it with :-/ | 20:01 |
| andre__ | yeah :-/ | 20:03 |
| andre__ | (very personal POV: I wouldn't have sent it back :-P ) | 20:03 |
| lma | Oh that's ok, if I wanted one I would have bought it by now. Here's hoping that elusive RX-71 matterializes eventually. | 20:05 |
| andre__ | lma: Quim said in t.m.o if you have reasons to keep it to send him an email. and with regard to your bug activity I think you have a reason :) | 20:05 |
| andre__ | ah, I see :) | 20:05 |
| * andre__ installing Diablo update | 20:06 | |
| lma | :-) | 20:06 |
| andre__ | yay, worked perfectly. big kudos! | 20:09 |
| lma | Speaking of which, it's time to have an extras product for it in bugzilla. Shall I email you the details? | 20:10 |
| andre__ | yes please! | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10048 | 20:10 |
| povbot | Bug 10048: no “offline data connection” settings available | 20:10 |
| andre__ | yay. Diablo Modest with finger sized UI elements. lovely. | 20:11 |
| lma | I'm pretty sure that's a dupe, let's see | 20:11 |
| andre__ | for that ticket I can't convince anybody to implement this for Maemo5 and I currently try to find out about plans for Maemo6 | 20:11 |
| andre__ | might be a dup, haven't looked yet | 20:11 |
| lma | BTW, congrats on breaking the 10K barrier, we should celebrate that :-) | 20:13 |
| andre__ | haha | 20:13 |
| andre__ | I wonder if that's good or bad :) | 20:15 |
| andre__ | more popular platform, more bugs reported | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | Closed https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10059 | 20:17 |
| povbot | Bug 10059: PS3 Controller Left acts as Enter | 20:17 |
| andre__ | might be related to the hardware keyboard layout | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | It uses on screen buttons, not HW layout :) | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10073 Can be disabled in settings, shall I close it as INVALID? | 20:19 |
| povbot | Bug 10073: unexpected vibrations | 20:19 |
| lma | yes, that's a clear case of RTFM | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | andre__, got around to checking this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9977 ? | 20:23 |
| povbot | Bug 9977: Hardware T&K lock switch must be used twice to unlock device when keyboard open | 20:23 |
| andre__ | still waiting for an internal comment | 20:23 |
| andre__ | For your interest (or not), I announced this bugday on Nokia internal mailing list and internal IRC. However I don't expect Nokians to show up here :-/ | 20:24 |
| andre__ | I personally assume a mixture of quite some people with S60 background not understanding what open source culture implies, plus the general issue of having quite some overtime and maybe a "I don't get paid for this and it's after work hours" | 20:24 |
| andre__ | probably a question of company culture and some more talks I should have with some managers | 20:24 |
| lma | Still, there are some Nokians who "get it". Maybe we should have the next one during work hours and see? | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | Well the N900 got a lot of S60 users into the community | 20:27 |
| andre__ | problem is more about S60 (closed source) managers and developers | 20:28 |
| andre__ | "uh, contact to real users or a community? never done that" | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10088 Closed as INVALID since he forced installation of some packages built for 1.2 | 20:28 |
| povbot | Bug 10088: screen calibration terminated unexpected | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | meh, S60 is crap tbh :P | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | never going back | 20:28 |
| andre__ | lma: I really like your idea. it would exclude US evening timezone but in the past it's been quite here for the last hours anyway | 20:29 |
| andre__ | and it would remove one excuse | 20:29 |
| lma | andre__: it could also be a 24hr thing (no, I'm not suggesting that you should stay here for the entire duration) | 20:30 |
| * andre__ goes buying some matches to put under his eye lids :-P | 20:31 | |
| andre__ | 24hrs would definitely be cool. question is if we're enough people. don't think so | 20:32 |
| andre__ | plus we're mostly europe based I think | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | and EU-timezone based :) | 20:33 |
| andre__ | heh, that's what I meant, but your wording is better :) | 20:34 |
| NiftyWolfie | Well don't know if I'll be much help as I'm very new to this sort of thing but I do have lots of free time on my hands, so I'm glad to have a bash at helping out | 20:37 |
| lma | BME: are https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 / https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6206 dupes? | 20:38 |
| povbot | Bug 3144: Device starts reboot loop when charging | 20:38 |
| povbot | Bug 6206: BME exit or SIGABRT causing reboot when charging sufficiently aged battery from less than half-full | 20:38 |
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| andre__ | lma: filed 6206 internally about Fremantle after I had talked to you | 20:42 |
| andre__ | so I'd prefer to not close it. maybe I should just bump the Version field on that one | 20:43 |
| lma | andre__: well, if they are the same bug then it should be FIXED in Fremantle (drink!), I was just wondering if the internal bug comments could confirm that | 20:44 |
| andre__ | ah, gotcha | 20:45 |
| andre__ | let me see | 20:45 |
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| andre__ | hi barisione by the way :) | 20:47 |
| frals | o/ | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | ah bug day, the day Ubuntu crashes on me | 20:49 |
| andre__ | sigh, wikis. I spent way more time trying to figure out which fscking markup they use than it'd take me to write the direct html | 20:53 |
| lma | nod | 20:54 |
| lma | that's why I tend to use trac for small-medium scale stuff, one markup for everything | 20:55 |
| lma | btw, what's the current situation with modest? Is anyone maintaining it? | 20:58 |
| andre__ | lma: I've pinged internally and asked whether 6206 might be the same as 3144 was | 20:59 |
| lma | "Reviewing maemo.org bugmasters' work" you're kidding, right? | 21:00 |
| andre__ | nope. | 21:00 |
| andre__ | I can imagine Modest is in maintenance mode (we all hate that word already, right?) as I expect it to take quite some ressources to get the Email app for Maemo6 ready :-/ | 21:00 |
| andre__ | this would not mean it's abandoned though. just no big features or risky changes. | 21:01 |
| andre__ | lma, think it's a bad idea? I need some bashing and endless references to bug 630! :-D | 21:01 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved! | 21:01 |
| barisione | hi andre__ :) | 21:01 |
| andre__ | nice to see you around | 21:02 |
| lma | andre__: no, I just don't know how to respond to that, you've been doing a fantastic job since day one | 21:03 |
| barisione | I'm just here to see what is happening and ready to run away if I start to be blamed for something ;) | 21:03 |
| lma | hm I haven't kept up with all things Harmattan, do we know if the email client will still be tinymail-based? | 21:04 |
| lma | (There are some interesting pointers in recent comments to bug 2536 and bug 3888 that may be worth pursuing if so) | 21:05 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 Retrieving a message from IMAP servers removes message flags | 21:05 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3888 IMAP-IDLE not working | 21:05 |
| andre__ | barisione: harhar. well, definitely appreciated. now just don't tell anybody that you work on Contacts. ;-) | 21:07 |
| barisione | damn | 21:07 |
| lma | a ha! | 21:07 |
| andre__ | lma, ah well, no problem, there will be enough people bitching. I mean... it's a public forum! ;-) | 21:08 |
| andre__ | lma: tinymail-based: that's actually a good question that I don't know the answer to. Let me try to find out (though it's probably covered by the NDA) | 21:09 |
| lma | oh, if it's not public info I don't want to know | 21:09 |
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| andre__ | hey, but leaks are popular in these days, whether it's oil or PR1.2! :-P | 21:10 |
| jukey | hi everyone | 21:11 |
| lma | Hey there! | 21:11 |
| jukey | is the party still ongoing? | 21:11 |
| lma | barely started | 21:11 |
| andre__ | yes, we didn't stop after one 71minutes :-P | 21:12 |
| jukey | hehe | 21:12 |
| jukey | btw. is there already a value "leaked" for the version field? | 21:13 |
| jukey | :D | 21:13 |
| lma | I think I saw a screenshot showing 10.something | 21:13 |
| andre__ | that 10.something screenshot was just an internal version. internal versions are always called 10.* | 21:13 |
| andre__ | until somebody branches | 21:13 |
| andre__ | 10.* == git master / svn trunk or whatever you want to call it | 21:13 |
| andre__ | jukey, no, once PR1.2 is officially out I'll add a Version | 21:14 |
| andre__ | don't see much sense adding it before that as bug reports might be invalid anyway | 21:14 |
| jukey | that's right. It was meant as a joke | 21:16 |
| andre__ | I'm too bloody serious again it seems. Hope I still have some beers left | 21:17 |
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| andre__ | by the way if somebody is in reproduction mode https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=6633,7920,9493,9436,9964,9691,9680 are tickets that I'd love to see a confirmation for by a second user | 21:23 |
| jukey | could it be that t.m.o is very unstable today? | 21:24 |
| jukey | every second reload brings up an error | 21:24 |
| andre__ | yesterday we had ISP issues | 21:25 |
| andre__ | no idea, for me it worked/works. but I didn't spend much time in t.m.o in the last days | 21:25 |
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| mikhas | moi - I am late, right? | 21:28 |
| andre__ | moin. not really :) | 21:30 |
| mikhas | so what bugs do we have for dinner? | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | Bug 9493, WORKSFORME | 21:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9493 Profile-specified audible alerts do not go back to normal after headphones are unplugged | 21:33 |
| andre__ | mikhas, whatever interests you | 21:36 |
| andre__ | for a general list of ideas see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Tasks | 21:36 |
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| mikhas | drop that link into that *other* channel | 21:38 |
| andre__ | heh. | 21:39 |
| andre__ | done. | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | Unable to reproduce Bug 6633 | 21:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6633 Keyboard backlight goes off while typing in low light conditions | 21:39 |
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| andre__ | MohammadAG_, feel free to add a comment in such cases | 21:40 |
| andre__ | thanks :) | 21:44 |
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| jukey | I hope tht's not too much off-topic here: there is an ongoing dicussion about the wiki: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51173 | 21:49 |
| andre__ | yo karstenb_! | 21:50 |
| karstenb_ | yo andre__ | 21:50 |
| jukey | one of the main problems discussed are that many stuff from t.m.o never goes to a wiki page | 21:50 |
| jukey | hi karsten | 21:50 |
| jukey | b | 21:50 |
| jukey | :9 | 21:50 |
| mikhas | jukey, isn't that a good thing? | 21:51 |
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| mikhas | you dont want to keep waste forever | 21:51 |
| jukey | no, indeed | 21:51 |
| karstenb_ | hey jukey, and everyone else ;) | 21:51 |
| mikhas | hi | 21:51 |
| * andre__ is also happy that lots of t.m.o noise does not end up in bugzilla :-P | 21:51 | |
| jukey | hehe | 21:51 |
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| jukey | but one suggestion was to identify threads or posts which are containing stuff worth a wiki entry and "track" the issues using bugzilla | 21:52 |
| mikhas | I'll head for some of those qt bugs | 21:52 |
| andre__ | uhm, that reminds me that I should move Qt away from "Extras" classification once PR1.2 is out | 21:53 |
| mikhas | and then? | 21:53 |
| mikhas | oh, extras | 21:53 |
| andre__ | "maemo.org Official Platform" | 21:53 |
| andre__ | jukey: either maybe by tagging in t.m.o, or by using Bugzilla, though I wonder how - if this is about documentation only it's easy of course | 21:54 |
| andre__ | jukey: maybe Dave Neary and/or David King (both into docu) have some ideas about good practices | 21:54 |
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| andre__ | ah, dave already commented on that t.m.o thread | 21:55 |
| jukey | yes | 21:55 |
| jukey | do you think we need a special component or something like that in bugs.maemo.org? | 21:55 |
| jukey | (if there is a decision to do it using bugzilla) | 21:56 |
| andre__ | hmm. it could generally be under "Documentation" (that I have to restructure soon anyway), or under "Wiki" and "Enhancement" maybe | 21:57 |
| mikhas | you could use one bug in b.m.o to track poor pages in the wiki at least | 21:57 |
| andre__ | question is whether "Wiki" component only refers to technical bugs, or also to content | 21:59 |
| jukey | wiki + enhancement would be a bad chioce I think. If I search for this I expect media wiki enhancements like different colors for ongoing discussion pages in the wiki :) | 21:59 |
| jukey | tracking "poor pages" via bugzilla sounds good to me | 22:00 |
| andre__ | Wiki default assignee is Ferenc currently (ferenc @ maemo). Shall I ask him? | 22:00 |
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| andre__ | I could also split this into "Wiki Technical" and "Wiki content (but not documentation)"... | 22:01 |
| andre__ | or feel free to drop Ferenc a line (because you have a better clue on what's needed) and CC me on it :) | 22:01 |
| lma | couldn't the tracking be done with a category tag within the wiki itself? | 22:01 |
| andre__ | yeah, that was my other proposal here :-D | 22:02 |
| jukey | that's also a good proposal :) | 22:02 |
| mikhas | categories wins, can I follow the changes on a category page? | 22:03 |
| andre__ | a nice, descriptive, objective tag like "wiki suckz, plz somebody fix but not me" ;-) | 22:03 |
| jukey | but only if there are already pages to improve | 22:03 |
| mikhas | that is, get mail for every new page added? | 22:03 |
| mikhas | andre__, have a page for all 4 categories you named | 22:03 |
| jukey | if there is new stuff in tmo which should lead to new wiki pages the label version could be difficult | 22:03 |
| mikhas | =p | 22:03 |
| andre__ | rofl | 22:04 |
| jukey | I like your tag, andre :) | 22:04 |
| jukey | IMHO the best way would be to flag threads (or even better posts!) as worth to "wikify2 | 22:06 |
| jukey | this also would make it more easy to me to decide which posts in tmo I'm willing to spend time on :) | 22:07 |
| andre__ | sounds good | 22:11 |
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| jukey | hi valerio | 22:22 |
| andre__ | hmm. can somebody reproduce bug 9493 ? | 22:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9493 Profile-specified audible alerts do not go back to normal after headphones are unplugged | 22:38 |
| mikhas | bug 5172 should be set to "confirmed", but do I really have to mark it as new again? | 22:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5172 QCompleter doesn't work: No strings are shown | 22:39 |
| mikhas | and then, this confirmed could be processed to wontfix, unless someone with compositor experience knows more ... | 22:39 |
| andre__ | i'll set it as confirmed. | 22:40 |
| andre__ | done | 22:40 |
| mikhas | thanks | 22:40 |
| VDVsx | ah, bugday, Its a shame that I can't see more bugs in my front today :D | 22:41 |
| andre__ | hehe. had already too many? :-P | 22:42 |
| VDVsx | yeah :D, I can't abuse otherwise I'll get even more fat :D | 22:43 |
| mikhas | bug 5177 should be closed as wontfix, with the information that was pasted on the wiki page (had to go to history page to retrieve it, damn you amigadave =p) | 22:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5177 QSplashScreen's pixmap is repeated in Fremantle | 22:45 |
| andre__ | mikhas, do you have permissions to do so? | 22:46 |
| mikhas | I can resolve it, yes | 22:46 |
| andre__ | feel free to CC me | 22:47 |
| andre__ | wontfix is always a bit... "unpopular" ;-) | 22:47 |
| mikhas | oh, but ... | 22:47 |
| mikhas | how is unconfirmed any better? | 22:47 |
| mikhas | is that the new wontfix? | 22:47 |
| andre__ | hmm? | 22:47 |
| andre__ | unconfirmed simply means that nobody has confirmed it as an issue yet. | 22:48 |
| andre__ | quite unrelated. or how do you mean? | 22:48 |
| andre__ | In general I prefer to reflect reality, and if it totally looks like wontfix, so may it be | 22:48 |
| mikhas | ok, it only seemed as if the bug was accepted | 22:48 |
| mikhas | well, I'll "confirm" it first, then | 22:49 |
| andre__ | not really needed I'd say | 22:49 |
| andre__ | it's definitely more correct though :-) | 22:49 |
| mikhas | well, it looks as if someone might have run into Qt resource file problems there, the ":/" for the icon loading looks suspicious | 22:51 |
| mikhas | if I remember correctly, the qt styling team had to workaround that particular problem, too | 22:51 |
| mikhas | ha, works =p | 22:53 |
| mikhas | I was right | 22:53 |
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| mikhas | which tool could take screenies for the home screen? ctrl + shift + p didnt want to work | 23:03 |
| andre__ | load-applet I think | 23:03 |
| mikhas | ok | 23:04 |
| mikhas | there are two ... | 23:04 |
| mikhas | didnt work either, oh well | 23:06 |
| mikhas | andre__, I closed that one | 23:09 |
| andre__ | thanks | 23:09 |
| mikhas | it showed a nice splash screen for me, over the home screen | 23:10 |
| mikhas | transparent and whatnot | 23:10 |
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| mikhas | andre__, cannot reproduce bug 9493 | 23:24 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9493 Profile-specified audible alerts do not go back to normal after headphones are unplugged | 23:24 |
| andre__ | feel free to add a comment about it | 23:24 |
| mikhas | plays a clear crisp sound for me, but I stopped the player before unplugging the headphones | 23:24 |
| andre__ | hmm | 23:25 |
| andre__ | haven't managed to reproduce it either | 23:25 |
| mikhas | will now stop player *after* unplugigng | 23:25 |
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| mikhas | ah, stopping the player after unplugging the headphones does it, for me | 23:35 |
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| andre__ | "does it" means reproduced? :) | 23:38 |
| jukey | I have to go now - I wish you a good night! :) | 23:48 |
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| mikhas | andre__, it is weird - the first mail after 1. unplug headphones, 2. stop media player does not even get a notification banner, and no sound either | 23:58 |
| mikhas | but the 2nd one does | 23:58 |
| andre__ | interesting | 23:58 |
| mikhas | but stopping media player first and unplug headphones seems to work. this bug is kinda hard to reproduce, the data I collect doesnt feel very reliable | 23:59 |
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