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| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: sounds about correct. and we all know maemo originated from a incredible achivement in setting up a whole new OS with ~50 people, in a time nobody else would've thought this was possible with 500 people | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/page5.html | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scratch the /page5, sorry | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here you are: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ | 00:28 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: btw good that you are comming to board :P | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I will | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still have hope they find better candidates than me | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd honestly recommend to vote almost anybody else who's running before you consider voting for me | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sort on time, lazy, and grumpy | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: yeah grumpy | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | short* | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: but i think you know how to talk and you most times logical and you know what is responsobilities | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I suggest to get somebody who maybe is capable to fulfill the responsibilities better than I'll be able to | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my estimated time to assign to $maemo* stuff per week is less than 2h | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is clearly an insult to the position and its responsibilities | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably I'll just configure council/board email account the same week my term ends ;-) | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or should I s/term/sentence/ ? ;-P | 01:27 |
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| ieatlint | haha, that's about how much time i'd have as well :/ | 01:46 |
| ieatlint | this whole employment thing is oddly time consuming | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably you'll have used up your free shots soon | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely you'll have used up your allowed number of installations on any ovi-store sold software | 02:06 |
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| ksolowoniuk | I'm looking at installing QtSDK on windows, would anyone be able to tell me if I have all the components that I need selected: http://i.imgur.com/x9LAI.png | 04:10 |
| ksolowoniuk | I'm a little confused with the different versions of qt. 4.7.4, 4.8.0, 4.8.1 etc | 04:11 |
| ksolowoniuk | also the harmattan emulator only goes up to PR1.2 I'm runnig PR1.3 | 04:12 |
| beford | it looks ok | 04:13 |
| ksolowoniuk | I deselected the Symbian stuff. | 04:13 |
| ieatlint | the qt versions you see in your screenshot that are checked are exclusively for your desktop machine (not the phone) | 04:13 |
| beford | you can always add missing components after it has been installed | 04:13 |
| ieatlint | the "harmattan target" contains the qt libs and cross compile toolchain for the phone | 04:13 |
| ieatlint | and don't worry about the pr1.2 vs pr1.3 thing.. | 04:14 |
| ksolowoniuk | ieatlint: so, I wouldn't need anything from desktop Qt | 04:14 |
| beford | if you are not developing for desktop, you don't need them yea | 04:14 |
| ieatlint | not unless you want to do any qt dev on your desktop | 04:14 |
| ksolowoniuk | cool thanks | 04:14 |
| ieatlint | the docs can also be trimmed a bit if you're looking to save space | 04:15 |
| ksolowoniuk | what about the Qt simulator? | 04:17 |
| ieatlint | i do believe that can be used for the phone dev, but it's still optional.. it's a simulated environment to run the app in (whereas the emulator is a full emulator) | 04:18 |
| ieatlint | strictly speaking you don't need either, as long as you only do testing on the device | 04:18 |
| ksolowoniuk | the emulator is extremely slow right? | 04:18 |
| ieatlint | never really used it myself.. have just used the simulator and the device itself | 04:19 |
| ksolowoniuk | Do you develop using QtQuick or just straight QML? | 04:20 |
| ieatlint | those are different names for the same thing | 04:22 |
| ieatlint | qtdeclarative == qtquick == qml | 04:22 |
| ksolowoniuk | oh | 04:22 |
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| djszapi | can anybody watch youtube with youtube clients or use youtube-dl? | 12:11 |
| djszapi | the server always returns forbidden or error to me for some reason. | 12:11 |
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| vladest_ | anybody knows how to add QtSimulator kit to QtCreator 2.6 ? | 12:53 |
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| vladest_ | ieatlint: you wrong. declarative != qml | 12:54 |
| djszapi | vladest_: that is true in qt5. | 12:57 |
| djszapi | it is not true in qt4 | 12:57 |
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| Hurrian | alright, it seems that my openmode setup is not complete - positioningd is still "locked" by Aegis. | 14:17 |
| Hurrian | what apscli stores should I know of and reset? | 14:18 |
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| Hurrian | oh, looks like you can just rm -r the directories, mkdir -p .{storname}/private, and reboot. | 14:44 |
| Hurrian | alrighty. | 14:44 |
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| rashm2k | WINE is brilliant | 15:08 |
| rashm2k | comannd line is all good - but nothing beats notepad++ for just getting sutff done! | 15:09 |
| djszapi | :D | 15:09 |
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| rashm2k | libs must be all lowercase otherwise the build process cannot find them! | 15:32 |
| trx | not lowercase but case sensitive | 15:33 |
| rashm2k | nope | 15:34 |
| trx | just plain lowercase? | 15:34 |
| rashm2k | yes - | 15:34 |
| rashm2k | my lib was called TradingService.so | 15:34 |
| rashm2k | so of course I had -lTradingService | 15:34 |
| rashm2k | but not | 15:34 |
| rashm2k | but no | 15:35 |
| rashm2k | I need to have it all lowercase in the pro file and the file itself | 15:35 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: that is weird | 15:38 |
| djszapi | -lQtCore works for me fine. | 15:38 |
| djszapi | please provide a simple test case that I can check. | 15:38 |
| rashm2k | it could have been me screwing something up | 15:40 |
| djszapi | IMO, trx was right with the case sensitivity. | 15:41 |
| rashm2k | or the fact that I'm working in a VM - and my source code it on a network share | 15:41 |
| rashm2k | it could be the network - my source code is outside the VM | 15:41 |
| rashm2k | wtf does g packet reply too long mean on the debuggeR? | 15:46 |
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| rashm2k | anyone know how to setup qt creator 2.5 beta with N9? | 15:55 |
| rashm2k | not sure what the correct way to setup a kit is | 15:55 |
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| rzr | djszapi, do u use git to track your qt5 files ? | 16:11 |
| djszapi | rzr: no | 16:12 |
| rzr | what do you think to work along qtbase_5.0-release~beta+20120831-1ubuntu19.dsc ? | 16:13 |
| djszapi | it is a bad idea. | 16:14 |
| rzr | #define bad | 16:15 |
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| djszapi | rzr: cause I spent a lot of time with the current packages, and they work fine for Harmattan now. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | so there is no problem to solve. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | on the other hand, you would introduce problems with the ubuntu packaging. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | in fact, what we should do, is probably to carry the harmattan package forward to rpi as they are very similar. | 16:28 |
| rzr | yes | 16:28 |
| rzr | this is on my plans | 16:28 |
| rzr | i am checkout out qt5 current tree ... | 16:29 |
| djszapi | I presume the ubuntu package is optimized for perfectness | 16:29 |
| rzr | i plan to reuse your work over it | 16:29 |
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| djszapi | the harmattan package is optimized for working and the least maintainance. | 16:29 |
| rzr | btw do u know pple using your qt5 harm packages ? | 16:29 |
| djszapi | yes | 16:30 |
| djszapi | ajalkane for instance | 16:30 |
| djszapi | and the webkit guys for snowshoe. | 16:30 |
| rzr | because some complained incompabitlities w/ snowshoe's qt5 packaging ... | 16:30 |
| djszapi | have not heard of any other Qt5 users for Harmattan. | 16:30 |
| djszapi | there is no snowshoe packaging anymore. | 16:30 |
| djszapi | and my packages had better quality IMO | 16:30 |
| rzr | so they're using ours ? | 16:30 |
| djszapi | people complained about the "snowshoe" packages non-working | 16:31 |
| djszapi | and I also found quite a few mistakes in them. | 16:31 |
| djszapi | so I made it better IMO, and I talked to them. | 16:31 |
| djszapi | and they seem to have accepted that. | 16:31 |
| rzr | and does it makes sense to rebuilt it ? | 16:31 |
| djszapi | only thing I was unable to get work with c-obs is qt5-webkit | 16:31 |
| djszapi | I disabled that this morning | 16:31 |
| rzr | ok | 16:31 |
| djszapi | always memory exhausted | 16:31 |
| rzr | i is building now iicr | 16:31 |
| djszapi | c-obs does not enough kraft to build that | 16:31 |
| rzr | it is ... | 16:31 |
| djszapi | nothing I can do about that. | 16:31 |
| djszapi | or anybody | 16:32 |
| rzr | too bad | 16:32 |
| rzr | and building qt5 for rpi on rpi ... is it doable ? | 16:32 |
| djszapi | yeah, lbt even tagged that as powerpackage | 16:32 |
| djszapi | so it should have a lot of memory available, but it is still broken. | 16:32 |
| djszapi | so unsure how to get it work. | 16:32 |
| djszapi | I do not have an ubuntu/debian machine locally to test | 16:32 |
| djszapi | with osc build. | 16:33 |
| djszapi | it is definitely doable. | 16:33 |
| djszapi | I built QtSerialPort on the pandaboard back then. | 16:33 |
| djszapi | as for qtbase, qtjsbackend, etc | 16:33 |
| djszapi | would be a very long job. | 16:33 |
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| djszapi | qt5-base has just built with a tarball from this morning \o/ | 16:34 |
| djszapi | it means, once the harmattan components package is rebuilt, we will finally have orientation as well. | 16:34 |
| rzr | how do you checkout a specific package using osc ? | 16:35 |
| rzr | i started osc up | 16:35 |
| rzr | but it break soon or later | 16:35 |
| djszapi | osc co | 16:39 |
| djszapi | rzr: we should get a machine for the rpi obs | 16:45 |
| djszapi | shall I blog about this in order to make a call for help? | 16:45 |
| djszapi | and then we could refer to that blog post on the forum and so forth. | 16:45 |
| djszapi | For sure, it is unnecessary if we can already have a machine. | 16:45 |
| djszapi | I could also ask ICS. | 16:46 |
| rzr | yes this could be a good idea | 16:47 |
| rzr | but please hold on | 16:47 |
| rzr | because i want to know where maemo will go next | 16:47 |
| rzr | then a common infrastructure would be possible | 16:47 |
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| rzr | freemantle rpi etc | 16:47 |
| djszapi | rzr: I disagree | 16:47 |
| admiral0 | hello | 16:48 |
| admiral0 | hi djszapi | 16:48 |
| djszapi | this is the problem with the current infrastructure | 16:48 |
| djszapi | admiral0: hi | 16:48 |
| djszapi | rzr: we have mer, harmattan, what not | 16:48 |
| djszapi | rzr: and one forces the other for decisions. | 16:48 |
| djszapi | rzr: I would like to have clear separation. | 16:48 |
| rzr | and i'd like to have tizen builders too | 16:48 |
| djszapi | and every platform can do his own way. | 16:48 |
| djszapi | its* | 16:48 |
| rzr | i have a friend who has a build farm | 16:49 |
| rzr | i need to met him | 16:49 |
| djszapi | different communities, different rules, different accesses etc. | 16:49 |
| rzr | and tell him what we could requiere ... | 16:49 |
| djszapi | I do not think it is good to have shared machines. | 16:49 |
| rzr | his infrastructure is all virtualized | 16:49 |
| rzr | well i'd like to met him in person soon or later | 16:49 |
| djszapi | rzr: I dislike the company doing this. | 16:49 |
| djszapi | I mean I appreciate their help. | 16:49 |
| djszapi | but it may get a burden as well | 16:49 |
| rzr | maybe this november | 16:50 |
| djszapi | if they set up the infrastructure it may be hard to change later. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | I think we should write to ICS that I can do. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | and I can also write a short blog post. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | and then we can spread the word. | 16:50 |
| rzr | u can do that | 16:51 |
| rzr | but dont do stuff too fast | 16:51 |
| rzr | i am not hurry | 16:51 |
| djszapi | well, I still do not have rpi :) | 16:51 |
| rzr | and i can connect several pple in doing a such thing | 16:51 |
| rzr | and i'd like to be transparent to maemo guys ... | 16:52 |
| rzr | something inclusive and open will be awsome | 16:52 |
| djszapi | still at least 13 people not received the kit: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:QtonPi::Device_Program | 16:52 |
| djszapi | I do not careabout the maemo council guys :D | 16:52 |
| djszapi | my opinion is that they ignore Harmattan almost entirely. | 16:52 |
| djszapi | I would not like to do the rpi project that way. | 16:53 |
| djszapi | care about* | 16:53 |
| rzr | i can understand your position | 16:53 |
| rzr | but i will like to try one time at least | 16:53 |
| djszapi | none of the council members that I have seen here. | 16:53 |
| djszapi | to contribute to harmattan here which is sort of fine, not much, but ok. | 16:54 |
| djszapi | but when I asked them to make steps ahead for Harmattan | 16:54 |
| djszapi | they wrote me they decided that they do not do (care?) and I can do my self. | 16:54 |
| rzr | i know the story | 16:54 |
| djszapi | myself* | 16:54 |
| djszapi | if I can do myself, why do they represent us? :D | 16:54 |
| rzr | but this is a past | 16:54 |
| rzr | maemo will have to behave differently soon or later | 16:54 |
| rzr | i fell i am part of maemo | 16:55 |
| djszapi | I do not know what the maemo council does for Harmattan aside from getting the server out of the sandbox for /eons/. | 16:55 |
| djszapi | also, I am leaning towards more onto blackberry than rpi to be fair. | 16:57 |
| djszapi | it is less time to deal with as you do not have to build your own system. | 16:57 |
| djszapi | it is already built. | 16:57 |
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| djszapi | I can focus on the application development right away. | 16:57 |
| djszapi | rpi is a low-cost pandaboard for making prototypes. | 16:58 |
| djszapi | but I also have a pandaboard which is more powerful, so ... :-) | 16:58 |
| djszapi | rzr: most people will use TV or usual monitor to the rpi. | 17:00 |
| djszapi | they will not design a system for a custom display; only the minority perhaps. | 17:00 |
| djszapi | and some will not even use display, just like a server service. | 17:01 |
| djszapi | but that part is not the main point behind Qt, albeit Qt is not a gui framework anymore only imo. | 17:01 |
| rzr | i fell i am also dispersing into too much different activities .... | 17:06 |
| djszapi | I believe, the basic problemis that there is no proper substitute for Harmattan. | 17:09 |
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| djszapi | soon one and half a years passed without any potential substitute. | 17:10 |
| djszapi | let us hope bb will be a good one. | 17:10 |
| djszapi | rzr: btw, it would be nice if you can test qt5-webkit locally with osc build. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | osc does not work on arch unfortunately :( | 17:11 |
| djszapi | I mean properly for the build. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | other operations work, but not that. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | the problem is that there will be no snowshoe in the repository until qt5-webkit gets in. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | but snowshoe would be really awesome to have in the repository as it seems to be a promising browser. | 17:11 |
| djszapi | rzr: I should probably write a blog about the one liner porting effort needed to port away from qtquick1 on Harmattan. | 17:14 |
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| rzr | <djszapi> rzr: btw, it would be nice if you can test qt5-webkit locally with osc build. | 17:15 |
| rzr | on rpi ? | 17:15 |
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| djszapi | rzr: harmattan | 17:15 |
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| djszapi | perhaps the harmattan/meego components should be revamped as it is very slow for launch. | 17:16 |
| djszapi | it would be nice to have volunteers for that, but we unfortunately do not. | 17:17 |
| rzr | well i am trying to fetch your qt5 files ... it takes forever | 17:19 |
| djszapi | you have a bad internet connection? | 17:20 |
| rzr | cd home:rzr:harmattan ; osc up | 17:20 |
| rzr | 700 pkg | 17:20 |
| djszapi | why are you doing that? | 17:20 |
| djszapi | osc co would be faster | 17:21 |
| rzr | that's what i am doing now | 17:21 |
| djszapi | yes, please. osc up is unnecessary for this. | 17:24 |
| admiral0 | kdevelop git custom buildsystem doesn't work T.T | 17:25 |
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| djszapi | rzr: how much physical memory do you have? | 17:40 |
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| admiral0 | just great... http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/30/plasma-desktopdW1767.png | 17:43 |
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| rzr | djszapi, 126MB *2 | 17:54 |
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| jesuschrist_ | hello | 19:36 |
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| njsf | hi | 20:16 |
| njsf | is there a way to restore the home screen defaults without reflashing ? | 20:16 |
| njsf | N9QTweaks just made a change there that caused reboot cycle | 20:17 |
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| ladoga | default rss reader has gone mad | 20:29 |
| ladoga | my subscribed feeds have disappeared from it | 20:32 |
| ladoga | yet events view shows 4 feeds being downloaded...download just stays forever and nothing happens | 20:32 |
| ladoga | i even resorted to reboot, but no help | 20:33 |
| ladoga | does anyone happen to know where settings file for feed reader is located? | 20:34 |
| ladoga | or config file whatever so i could try to clean it manually | 20:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ladoga: no, it is something stored in tracker | 20:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 20:36 |
| ladoga | hmm. so i guess i know the reason then. i had some problems with tracker using 99% cpu and cured it with running tracker-control -r | 20:38 |
| ladoga | so can i access that data stored in tracker or maybe purge it somehow? | 20:40 |
| lucido | jonni, where can you buy type 2 tags? | 20:41 |
| lucido | all I can fins is mifair chips | 20:41 |
| ladoga | or do i need to reflash the device to fix the rss reader? :) | 20:42 |
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| njsf | ladoga: did you try to clear the feeds by holding an entry ? | 20:43 |
| njsf | the homescreen keeps a cache of the entries | 20:43 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: remember the bug i raged about? | 20:44 |
| admiral0 | the one in lpsmagic | 20:44 |
| admiral0 | it was a missing "-l" in aegis-exec parameters | 20:44 |
| admiral0 | FUUUUU | 20:44 |
| ladoga | njfs, seems like it has also lost all my contacts | 20:45 |
| ladoga | phone and messages | 20:46 |
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| ladoga | seems like they are there by not shown by apps | 20:49 |
| ladoga | so it did not actually remove them | 20:56 |
| ladoga | whatever...i think I'll just reflash | 20:56 |
| ladoga | should have used the -e flag instead i guess | 20:57 |
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| djszapiN9 | hey | 21:23 |
| djszapiN9 | anybody knows why it takes 2-3 hours to run a startup repair with a windows 7 dvd, and then it does not actually repair to boot? | 21:26 |
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| rzr | djszapi, my win8 install died today too | 21:33 |
| djszapiN9 | it does not boot, or? | 21:33 |
| rzr | no it does not | 21:34 |
| rzr | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=windows#windows8 | 21:34 |
| rzr | that's what i got once i tried to "repair" | 21:35 |
| djszapiN9 | rzr, unfortunate | 21:37 |
| djszapiN9 | rzr, do you like windows 8 better than windows 7? | 21:38 |
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| djszapiN9 | admiral0, I do not recall any bugs about lpsmagic. :p | 21:41 |
| admiral0 | remember the upstart one? | 21:42 |
| Appiah | djszapiN9: tried using USB? | 21:42 |
| djszapiN9 | admiral0, ah that I recall now. | 21:44 |
| admiral0 | it was aegis-exec lacking -l | 21:44 |
| admiral0 | lpsmagic couldn't connect to X11 | 21:44 |
| djszapiN9 | Appiah, for the windows 7 repair? | 21:44 |
| djszapiN9 | admiral0, great you figured out. :) | 21:45 |
| Appiah | yupp | 21:45 |
| djszapiN9 | Appiah, do not have working usb pendrive here. | 21:45 |
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| rzr | djszapi, i never used both | 21:49 |
| djszapiN9 | rzr, interesting, the Qt packages failed for some reason. | 21:49 |
| rzr | just installed them i case of | 21:49 |
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| rzr | in case of | 21:49 |
| djszapiN9 | except qt5-base. | 21:49 |
| rzr | i am working on qt5-base | 21:49 |
| rzr | on rpi | 21:49 |
| rzr | i have minor patches to merge for you | 21:50 |
| djszapiN9 | that is a different topic. :p | 21:50 |
| rzr | true | 21:50 |
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| lucido | is it possible to "fake" com.nokia.maemo-origin using inception? I'd like to use th eMCE::TKLockControl token for my demo application (not for the OVI) | 21:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: ping | 21:59 |
| rzr | http://everythingn9.com/thanks-but-i-choose-the-n9/ | 21:59 |
| beford | ola | 21:59 |
| beford | lucido: thats what inception does | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: Y U GIVE PEOPLE DONATE? | 21:59 |
| beford | what? | 22:00 |
| beford | xD | 22:00 |
| lucido | beford, oh yeah? | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: U DON't GIVE | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: people asked you for a donate button in signature | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | put it there | 22:00 |
| beford | ah | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wrote it wrong way :P | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: Y U NO DONATE BUTTON? | 22:01 |
| beford | yea I got a pm from the guy that was going to donate 100, havent answered him though | 22:01 |
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| beford | (not 1000) | 22:01 |
| beford | xD | 22:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1274443#post1274443 | 22:01 |
| beford | but I dont know I don't feel right asking for donations | 22:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: we'll get second one too | 22:02 |
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| valdur55 | rzr, nice link! | 22:18 |
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| njsf | Ufff, good news for me | 22:38 |
| njsf | the N9QTweak messup with the homescreen and the reboot loop | 22:38 |
| njsf | left the N9 up long enough to allow me to ssh into it and do enough of the N9QT restore to defaults for me NOT to need to reflash | 22:39 |
| * njsf is a happy camper nwo | 22:39 | |
| njsf | now | 22:39 |
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| rashm2k | He is absolutley right | 22:40 |
| rashm2k | the n9 is a pleasure to hold in the hand! | 22:40 |
| rashm2k | sometimes i get carried away with the swiping and just swipe around the screens for the hell of it! | 22:41 |
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| globetrotterdk | N9 user looking for re-alpine version for harmattan. | 23:15 |
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