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| jesuschrist_ | ok for your knowledge | 00:04 |
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| jesuschrist_ | seems like pptp wont work unless module is loaded | 00:04 |
| DavidTalmage | I asked about headers for libnfnetlink. I found them in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/libn/libnfnetlink/ | 00:04 |
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| jesuschrist_ | ppp_generic | 00:05 |
| jesuschrist_ | imma build the modules tomorrow | 00:12 |
| jesuschrist_ | where to find the 1.3 kernel source ? | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | kernel.org | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | building it may be fun though | 00:12 |
| bef0rd | you wont be able to load it on stock kernel anyway afaik | 00:12 |
| jesuschrist_ | bef0rd : how so ? | 00:12 |
| jesuschrist_ | didnt they do that for the "optimizer" | 00:13 |
| jesuschrist_ | of creamy goddess ? | 00:13 |
| jesuschrist_ | obviously you would need inception and stuff, but no kernel change | 00:13 |
| bef0rd | mm right but I read something from jonni about it, he knows more :p | 00:13 |
| jesuschrist_ | jonni : if you come back, could you point out the 1.3 kernel source code pl0x | 00:14 |
| jesuschrist_ | ill just build the ones they used on maemo, hopefully it will be enough | 00:14 |
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| bef0rd | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/ | 00:16 |
| jesuschrist_ | oh thanks :p | 00:17 |
| jesuschrist_ | seems the one | 00:19 |
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| piggz | can i interest anyone in alpha testing my coding competition game? | 00:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: so what's the plans? | 01:05 |
| beford | sell it for a thrilion of dollars | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 01:09 |
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| beford | :> | 02:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have 3.2012.02-6 | 02:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | beta pr.12 | 02:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | pr1.2* | 02:27 |
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| jesuschrist_ | ok | 03:25 |
| jesuschrist_ | i made the modules for pptp | 03:26 |
| jesuschrist_ | need help incepting them | 03:26 |
| beford | ~n950-firmware | 03:31 |
| infobot | n950-firmware is probably The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ | 03:31 |
| jesuschrist_ | ? | 03:31 |
| beford | it's forme | 03:31 |
| jesuschrist_ | soon my darling, you will have pptp | 03:32 |
| beford | what? I mean, I needed the OCF link :P | 03:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: you like to click yourself do you? | 03:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | damn bended sim tray | 03:41 |
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| beford | ouch, on n9 ZogG_laptop? | 03:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | yeap, n950 doesn't have one | 03:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | straighted it but it's little bit bend still and if i bend back more it will break it | 03:50 |
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| jkt | any idea where one can find libqtcore4-dbg 4.7.4~git20120112-0maemo1+0m7 ? | 04:08 |
| jkt | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/q/qt4-x11/ contains only the m6, but my N950 with PR1.2 unfortunately has m7 versions of the Qt packages | 04:08 |
| djszapi_ | jkt: if apt-get source does not help either, I am afraid, that is tough luck. | 04:19 |
| jkt | djszapi_: how do I enable a source repository? | 04:21 |
| djszapi_ | jkt: the same as non-source | 04:24 |
| djszapi_ | but you use dpkg-source | 04:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | wouldn't add whole repo, if it's not a lot of deps you need from there, just try to get dep and install it manually | 04:25 |
| jkt | well, I'm not exactly familiar with deb's package management; it's just that I'm looking for "fresh enough" debug packages for Qt on N950 | 04:26 |
| djszapi_ | well, you need to learn deb package management on Harmattan for deb package management related issues. | 04:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: captain? | 04:27 |
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| jkt | djszapi_: could you tell me what version of libqtcore4-dbg and libqtcore4 you have on your N950? | 04:31 |
| djszapi_ | jkt: I do not have my N950 with me here. It is in Finland, unfortunately. | 04:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | not sure if he has n950 | 04:32 |
| jkt | djszapi_: somehow I assumed you have one of N9/N950. | 04:34 |
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| djszapi_ | I do own, but the N950 is not with me in this country. | 04:35 |
| djszapi_ | it is about 3200-3300 kms away now :-0 | 04:37 |
| djszapi_ | :-) | 04:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: be more exact with kms :p | 04:39 |
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| beford | where are you now djszapi_? | 04:51 |
| djszapi_ | beford: still in Ireland. | 04:52 |
| beford | cool | 04:52 |
| jkt | so because the phone comes with a newer Qt than the version I have debug symbols for, I'm trying to force it to run against older Qt | 04:56 |
| jkt | I've downloaded the .debs from harmattan-dev, extracted their .so into /home/developer/, but it seems like specifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. has no effect on that application | 04:57 |
| jkt | what am I doing wrong? | 04:57 |
| jkt | I'm abit confused as simply calling `ldd /path/to/my/executable` doesn't show anything | 04:58 |
| jkt | that's very different from how my desktop works | 04:58 |
| djszapi_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. -> you dropped the system libs with that step | 04:58 |
| djszapi_ | this is most likely not what you want. | 04:58 |
| jkt | djszapi_: that's not how it works on desktop. By default, that env var is not even set, and if set, it will not cause the linker to skip the /usr/lib and similar directories | 05:00 |
| jkt | is harmattan different? | 05:00 |
| djszapi_ | it will not skip, just not prioritize system-wide. | 05:06 |
| djszapi_ | which is again, not what you want most likely. | 05:06 |
| djszapi_ | you wanna export that variable only for that process. | 05:06 |
| jkt | which is what I've done | 05:07 |
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| jkt | calling it through `LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/developer DISPLAY=:0 gdb trojita-tp` from a prompt I got after I ssh-ed into developer@n950 | 05:08 |
| jkt | djszapi_: where do I learn about the source repositories for deb on harmattan? I assume that various generic, Debian-based instructions cannot really work in this case | 05:08 |
| djszapi_ | it is exactly the same as Debian-based instructions. | 05:10 |
| djszapi_ | not quite a rocket science :) | 05:10 |
| djszapi_ | it is just that you add them as you add binary repositories, except that s/dpkg/dpkg-source/ | 05:10 |
| jkt | djszapi_: you mean just "deb-src" instead of "deb" in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/something? | 05:11 |
| djszapi_ | either way, you may reall not wanna have different debug versions than release. | 05:12 |
| jkt | djszapi_: because when I started with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/aegis.ssu-keyring-dadd.list, it doesn't make any effect afaik | 05:12 |
| djszapi_ | that may just be the issue of serious and very time consuming issues. | 05:12 |
| jkt | that was the very first question I asked -- where do I get the *fresh* debug package | 05:12 |
| djszapi_ | you got the very first answer for that which is still the same. | 05:13 |
| jkt | I really wonder whether I'm overly sensitive at 4am, or whether you're just playing a smartass :) | 05:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 05:15 |
| djszapi_ | good night | 05:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: sometimes if you don't really want to help, just don't answer :P | 05:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | night everyone | 05:16 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: I will probably not use cobs tonight after all. | 05:18 |
| djszapi_ | the patch is still pending on gerrit for Qt5 that I would need. | 05:18 |
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| mf2hd | so, any1 porting owncloud sync service to n9? | 10:11 |
| mf2hd | i was going to try it my self, but i lack time... :( | 10:13 |
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| djszapi_ | mf2hd: that would be great | 10:13 |
| djszapi_ | Frank's project is impressive! :) | 10:13 |
| mf2hd | yeah | 10:15 |
| mf2hd | i like it too, it would be great that i could stop syncing my phonenumbers to my employer, start syncin my photos to my own owncloud, etc etc etc | 10:16 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: could you please disable the gtk build for now in the community repository? | 11:10 |
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| Elleo | does anyone have any idea why textboxes in a qgraphicswebview need to be clicked twice to bring up the keyboard? | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | Elleo: sometimes it takes a while... probably the time you consider to be being tapped twice | 11:28 |
| chem|st | if it doesn't do anything and does not highlight I tap again... | 11:28 |
| Elleo | chem|st: no, it's not a matter of timing; you have to click twice every time, regardless of the time between taps | 11:28 |
| Elleo | and it's confusing some of the users of my app in to thinking they can't get the keyboard up (because they only press once) | 11:29 |
| chem|st | Elleo: yes what I noticed it that some websites need one tap to get you there and another to open the vkb but that is depending on the website so it might be not only depending on your device's browser | 11:29 |
| Elleo | chem|st: this isn't the device browser, this is a custom app using a qgraphicswebview directly; visiting the same page in grob it comes up on the first click | 11:32 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 11:50 |
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| chem|st | Elleo: ouch | 12:17 |
| Elleo | yeah :/ | 12:20 |
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| khertan | Morning | 12:30 |
| rigo | khertan: thanks for the update :) | 12:31 |
| khertan | rigo, which one ? | 12:31 |
| khertan | :) | 12:31 |
| rigo | khtsimpletext | 12:31 |
| djszapi | I wonder if anybody is using scratchbox directly on arch. | 12:31 |
| * rigo not | 12:32 | |
| khertan | rigo, np your welcome | 12:32 |
| khertan | i 'm happy that there is at least one user :) | 12:32 |
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| nwoki | hi guys, i was looking for a way to acctivate the n9's back led but can't seem to find anything useful (apart from fcam, but it's a mess) | 12:59 |
| nwoki | any ideas on how to activate ONLY the led for a specific number of milisecs? | 12:59 |
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| djszapi | rzr: ahh, build failure. | 12:59 |
| djszapi | I can only fix this tonight since I do not have scratchbox access in here. :/ | 13:00 |
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| djszapi | nwoki: I do not know, but have you tried the linux kernel interface? | 13:01 |
| djszapi | -> /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-0032/leds/ | 13:01 |
| djszapi | unfortunately, I do not have the opportunity to test myself, but I would take a look. | 13:02 |
| nwoki | djszapi: the led i'm talking about is the camera led. Isn't it supposed to be under QCamera or something like that? | 13:02 |
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| djszapi | I would expect permission issues, but someone was mentioning it works for the front led. | 13:02 |
| nwoki | the flash of the camera | 13:02 |
| nwoki | (nokia n9) | 13:02 |
| djszapi | nwoki: cannot you use milisecs accurate timer for that after the start? | 13:11 |
| jussi | arent there flashlight apps that you can copy? | 13:13 |
| djszapi | you also need to request the credentials most likely, if they are not automatically detected. | 13:14 |
| djszapi | jussi: when I tried to check few of those, they were unfortunately closed. | 13:14 |
| djszapi | hopefully, the situation has changed since then. | 13:15 |
| nwoki | jussi: djszapi no flashlight apps found that are open | 13:15 |
| nwoki | got any links? | 13:15 |
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| pa | question: does anybody here create test programs for the various components of an app? and if so, how? separate pro file for each test program? | 13:19 |
| djszapi | pa: it is called TDD or BDD | 13:23 |
| djszapi | nad it usually means unit tests. | 13:23 |
| djszapi | nwoki: I am afraid, I cannot. :/ | 13:24 |
| nwoki | djszapi: thanks anyway | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | I hate MTF's fast scroll | 13:24 |
| pa | yes that, unit testing | 13:25 |
| pa | how do i do that on a qt project? | 13:25 |
| djszapi | pa: check the repository please for my kde games in Ovi. | 13:25 |
| djszapi | oopsie, that is actually a wrong example... :P | 13:25 |
| pa | yes an example would be great | 13:25 |
| djszapi | I have only cmake examples. | 13:25 |
| djszapi | but you can always take a look at the Qt codebase how the test framework is built up. | 13:26 |
| djszapi | with qmake. | 13:26 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/show/core/tests | 13:26 |
| djszapi | this is how I and my students have done in this project. | 13:26 |
| pa | thanks i check it out | 13:26 |
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| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/cmake/GluonMacros.cmake | 13:26 |
| djszapi | here you can find my test macros that I prefer to use throughout the codebase. | 13:27 |
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| rZr | hi e-yes , how is gps support ? | 14:20 |
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| e-yes | rZr, nokia opened their proprietary protocol already? | 14:22 |
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| rZr | not i am aware off | 14:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 14:40 |
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| pa | djszapiN9, so for the moment i made my poor man unit testing not to mess up with the project.. essentially another project from where i import the sources of my app i want to test. Yes, it is ugly.. | 14:46 |
| pa | it seems to work tho | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: all of the sudden the app worked (breeze) | 14:46 |
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| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: great :) | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: yeap :P | 14:47 |
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| rZr | e-yes, let add u to +harmattan team | 14:49 |
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| djszapi | pa: is your application publicly available? | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: meeTrainer? it's in ovi. | 14:51 |
| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: Did you do anything specific? Restarted phone? Or it just suddenly worked when you press 'install on phone'? | 14:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | suddenly worked | 14:52 |
| djszapi | pa: perhaps you could host the code in the harmattan group on gitorious, if you already host the code there? | 14:52 |
| djszapi | unsure, if you do that already. :) | 14:52 |
| djszapi | it would be nice to collect the Harmattan projects under this umbrella, so easier to find. | 14:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: he chosed dark side with closed source | 14:53 |
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| n9appscom | ok, I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't work for everyone.. I don't have much clues | 14:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: there is github group btw | 14:53 |
| n9appscom | Maybe threre's something fishy in the notification system itself... | 14:53 |
| rZr | pa, hi what is your gitorious id ? | 14:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: maybe add more debuging there to syslog or something? | 14:53 |
| rZr | anyone tell me your id for : https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships | 14:54 |
| n9appscom | yep, I might add in more debugging | 14:54 |
| lucido | hello, how can I add this repo to my n9? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com harmattan/sdk/free Packages | 14:55 |
| djszapi | lucido: it is on the landing page | 14:55 |
| djszapi | see the topic | 14:55 |
| djszapi | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 14:55 |
| lucido | djszapi, whats the landing page? which .list file should I put it in? | 14:57 |
| djszapi | lucido: the landing page is the entry point for all the wikis. | 14:58 |
| djszapi | see the bottom of the page: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list | 14:58 |
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| lucido | djszapi, no such file on my system | 15:02 |
| pa | rZr, djszapi, no im not on gitorius | 15:03 |
| pa | i use my own git/svn servers at home | 15:03 |
| pa | and i have everything set up | 15:03 |
| pa | so im too lazy to move to gitorius | 15:03 |
| lucido | git remote push | 15:04 |
| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan# Any developer for #MeeGo can relocate orphaned projects to +#HarmattaN gitorious collab team , tell git id | 15:04 | |
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| lucido | what wiki is djsazapi talking about? | 15:05 |
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| rZr | lucido, meego.com | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | lucido: on maemo.org | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~repo | 15:07 |
| infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~wiki | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~wiki maemo | 15:08 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2012}} {{Infobox OS | name = Maemo | logo = | screenshot = | caption = Screenshot of Maemo 5 | website = [http://www.maemo.org/ maemo.org] | developer = Nokia and Maemo Community | family = Linux | source_model = Largely open source with mandatory proprietary components | latest_release_version = 5.0 PR 1.3.1 | latest_release_date = {{Start date and ... | 15:08 |
| lucido | I is confuse | 15:09 |
| lucido | where should I put this line: deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free ? | 15:11 |
| lucido | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/harmattan-dev.list ? | 15:12 |
| lucido | libboost1.42-dev: Depends: libstdc++6-4.4-dev but it is not going to be installed | 15:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | lucido: what are you trying to do? | 15:16 |
| lucido | install boost | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean in general? | 15:16 |
| lucido | install armadillo | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | armadillo? | 15:16 |
| lucido | linear algebra lib | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Armadillo: C++ linear algebra library | 15:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i see | 15:17 |
| lucido | wel I dont really want to install armadillo, I can statically link it, but boost is too big for that | 15:22 |
| TheBootroo | is there a way to use QTM Publish&Subscribe to get missed calls count, instead of using MeeGo API C++ ? | 15:22 |
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| faenil | is there anyway to check if qml's destroy() has been successful? | 15:23 |
| djszapi | lucido: create it obviously. | 15:23 |
| djszapi | as mentioned at the bottom of the page. | 15:24 |
| djszapi | faenil: use case? | 15:24 |
| lucido | djszapi, what page exactly? | 15:24 |
| faenil | djszapi, I'm changing filters of http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qml-documentgallerymodel.html | 15:24 |
| faenil | but I have to do it dynamically, so I build the filter with createQmlObject using a parametric string | 15:25 |
| faenil | and do filter = dynamicallyCreatedFilter | 15:25 |
| faenil | right? | 15:25 |
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| djszapi | lucido: landing page | 15:25 |
| faenil | when I change that filter, I have to destroy the filter I have previously created | 15:25 |
| lucido | djszapi, landing page of what wiki? | 15:25 |
| faenil | so, when I change the filter, I call destroy() on the current filter, then assign the freshly created filter | 15:25 |
| djszapi | 12:55 < djszapi> see the topic | 15:26 |
| faenil | but that doesn't work | 15:26 |
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| faenil | it seems the new filter is never assigned (onFilterChanged isn't called) after I destroy() the previous one | 15:27 |
| faenil | the only way to make it work is to | 15:27 |
| faenil | var oldFilter = gallery.filter; gallery.filter = newDynamicallyCreatedFilter(); oldFilter.destroy() | 15:27 |
| faenil | but it sounds a bit fishy | 15:27 |
| faenil | djszapi, there you have it ^ :D | 15:28 |
| faenil | if anyone else has an idea, feel free to write :) | 15:29 |
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| djszapi | faenil: busy, sorry | 15:30 |
| djszapi | will get back to you later :) | 15:30 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 15:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: have you seen tilf filter for gallery on n9? | 15:40 |
| faenil | ? | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://n9-apps.com/gallery-tilt-shift-plugin | 15:42 |
| susundberg | what is that n9-apps.com? commercial non-nokia platform for closed-source programs? | 15:45 |
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| faenil | makes a picture look like a minature? XD | 15:46 |
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| susundberg | i mean: why not the nokia apps or the apps for meego (if doing open source) | 15:47 |
| susundberg | appgs for meego is giving me 502 - bad gateway now :/ | 15:48 |
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| rZr | MohammadAG: hi whats your g id ? | 15:57 |
| rZr | khertan: same | 15:57 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: same | 15:57 |
| rZr | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships | 15:57 |
| lizardo | does anyone have the kernel source tarballs for 2.6.32-20121301+0m8 ? | 15:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lizardo: for harmattan? | 16:00 |
| lizardo | ZogG_laptop: yep, found it in : http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/kernel_2.6.32-20121301+0m8.tar.gz | 16:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lizardo: what ya wanna do with it if it's not a big secret? | 16:00 |
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| lizardo | looks like http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/k/kernel/ was not updated in a long time, so I had to look for the open source ISO dumps people request from nokia | 16:00 |
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| Corsac | or you could have requested it yourself ;p | 16:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: what's the point? | 16:01 |
| lizardo | ZogG_laptop: I work on bluetooth stuff, and I need to update my backport for bluetooth modules :) | 16:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | as someone get it it's online | 16:02 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: resilience! | 16:02 |
| Corsac | or at least redundancy | 16:02 |
| Corsac | if my server goes down, what happens! | 16:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: there are few copies online actually | 16:02 |
| lizardo | Corsac: not worthy :) besides , I'm happy people share this on a public URL, so I can refer to it from build instructions etc. (although I would prefer that harmattan-dev.nokia.com was updated) | 16:03 |
| lizardo | Corsac: anyway, I really appreciate you are sharing these on your server :) | 16:03 |
| lizardo | ZogG_laptop: google only found the extracted files in Corsac's server, do you know of any other places ? | 16:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | doc has iso itself | 16:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and i don't remember who has packages built or something like that as well | 16:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Doc knows | 16:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: tell bbdevs i'm willing to port my app for dev device :P | 16:30 |
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| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: heh, basically seem to work in exchange for random bit of hardware now too ;) | 16:32 |
| Elleo | I basically* | 16:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: it would be hard to try to dev and port something if you don't have device | 16:33 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, man I was fainting...receive a call from Canada, I was upset... | 16:33 |
| faenil | it's not like I speak english on a daily basis | 16:33 |
| faenil | and it's yet more difficult via phone | 16:33 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yeah :/ I've been trying to port firestarter to symbian, but it's a pain without a phone | 16:33 |
| Elleo | been using Nokia/Digia's remote device access system, but that's very flakey | 16:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i speak terrible on phone when it's official call, english or hebrew(hebrew is daily use as i live in israel, but it's not native) | 16:34 |
| faenil | :D | 16:34 |
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| Sazpaimon | rawcam is pretty awesome | 16:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw dev disappeare | 16:48 |
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| djszapi | jonni: you were using the scratchbox inside squeeze? | 16:49 |
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| jonni | djszapi: yes Im currently using 11.10 | 16:51 |
| djszapi | I have been using lenny at home. | 16:52 |
| djszapi | was wondering, if I should set up lenny at the company or squeeze | 16:53 |
| djszapi | the best would be of course, if it works on arch, but I presume nobody went down that way here. | 16:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't understand why people over rate arch so much | 16:59 |
| pa | arch linux? | 16:59 |
| pa | dunno :) | 16:59 |
| beford | arch <3 | 16:59 |
| * ZogG_laptop ♥ funtoo | 17:00 | |
| pa | but i will never use debian again, after having used sid for 5 years, and breaking the system at every upgrade | 17:00 |
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| pa | it was so terrible.. upgrade, and then fix the n-packages that stopped working.. | 17:00 |
| chem|st | pa: you sound quiet idiotic... | 17:01 |
| pa | chem|st, i probably am :) | 17:01 |
| pa | but debian sid was terrible | 17:01 |
| chem|st | using "unstable" and complaining about breaking your system every upgrade... | 17:01 |
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| chem|st | pa: use testing and you do not have that problem | 17:02 |
| pa | chem|st, what should i use then? testing? with software 2 years old? | 17:02 |
| beford | you should use arch | 17:02 |
| chem|st | ??? stable is software 2 years old | 17:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | use funtoo | 17:02 |
| pa | now i am on ubuntu and happy | 17:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | current is stable and current | 17:02 |
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| pa | no system breaking, and updated software | 17:02 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: depends... | 17:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | ubuntu, right. and you reinstall every update | 17:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: talking about funtoo/gentoo | 17:03 |
| djszapi | pa: install Harmattan on your desktop. | 17:03 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, well, normally you can do one distribution upgrade with only minor problems :) | 17:03 |
| pa | sure i dont advice to upgrade all the way | 17:04 |
| Kozzi | Elleo, does firestarter support local prc/mobi files ? possible for total offline solution ? | 17:04 |
| chem|st | debian testing has the sweetness of not having a distribution upgrade ever... | 17:04 |
| chem|st | but having debian | 17:05 |
| Elleo | Kozzi: nope, it's based around the amazon cloud reader; the next version of it can be used completely offline (except for needing to be online to download books in the first place) though | 17:05 |
| pa | chem|st, and by the way, testing was terrible too. yes no broken dependencies, but most of the times the packages were just packaged correctly. meaning that if the software had a bug, you would wait years until the next version with the bug fixed would be in testing | 17:05 |
| Elleo | Kozzi: I'd suggest fbreader for just general non-DRM'd mobi files | 17:05 |
| chem|st | pa: if you aren't happy with breaking your system from time to time you should use windows... that breaks itself from time to time... | 17:06 |
| Elleo | and there are some handy calibre plugins for removing DRM from encumbered ones too | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: funtoo/gentoo doesn't have releases :) | 17:06 |
| pa | chem|st, im happy with ubuntu for now | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's rolling one :P | 17:06 |
| Kozzi | Elleo, yeah I'm using fbreader but the file manager isn't really reliable, sometimes show the folder I want sometimes it doesn't | 17:06 |
| chem|st | pa: you will do good with ubuntu then | 17:06 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, gentoo is being masochistic too, but in a different way :) | 17:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: why so? | 17:07 |
| Elleo | Kozzi: yeah, I might see about making some patches to the meego fbreader port at some point, been meaning to fix some of its little quirks for a while | 17:07 |
| pa | and also you probably dont pay electricity yourself ;) | 17:07 |
| Elleo | it hasn't had any upstream love for nearly a year now | 17:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | people have it on routers and n900 and other embedded | 17:07 |
| Kozzi | Elleo, Great, I have been emailing fbreader's developers about some of the problems but to replies. IMo the most ennoying is still the inability to hide statusbar to prevent burn-in | 17:09 |
| Kozzi | to=no | 17:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i pay electricity and rent by myself for a long time now. actually we split with roomate. | 17:10 |
| Kozzi | btw, If I decide to make a theme myself and apply it using Theme Settings, when things goes wrong and I end up in a boot-loop, will I be able to somehow revert to Blanco without flashing the device ? | 17:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: not sure, but better to backup | 17:12 |
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| Elleo | Kozzi: yeah, I much prefer not being constantly reminded of how far I am in a book | 17:13 |
| Elleo | the last time I hacked on fbreader was for the openmoko port back in 2009 so it may take me a little while to get back up to speed on it though | 17:13 |
| Elleo | so don't expect anything too soon (especially since I'm pretty short on free time until October) | 17:13 |
| Kozzi | yeah, reinstalling everything after flashing kind of suck | 17:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw what about your backup app? | 17:14 |
| Kozzi | Elleo, no hurry with fbreader. Kindle 3 is working fine wit Duokan | 17:15 |
| Kozzi | fbreader just mostly because there is no other way of reading prc on N9 | 17:16 |
| Kozzi | just noticed that imgur.com works great with N9 now, with image uploading and gallery | 17:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: ? | 17:17 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: works quite nicely, just tested it a week ago, when one of my friend wanted to backup his old N9 and transfer backup to new N9 and restored the data in there successfully. I just don't know if I have time to make nice package out of it. | 17:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: it didn't wrok before? | 17:17 |
| Kozzi | it didn't work before, not able to select pictures from the phone's memory | 17:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i really hope u'll find time :P | 17:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: hmmm. you mean imgrup app right? | 17:18 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_laptop: the website :) | 17:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 17:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thought u was talking about my app :P | 17:18 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_laptop: still can't view some gifs in the app, mostly static and then some do work | 17:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | gif in gallery or on phone? | 17:19 |
| Kozzi | in imgur gallery using the app | 17:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i fixed gif thing | 17:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was qml component problem | 17:20 |
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| Kozzi | yeah, after that it worked with some but not all gifs, dunno why | 17:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would be nice if you can send me broken urls | 17:21 |
| Kozzi | do you have link to download the app ? a4m doesnt work | 17:22 |
| Kozzi | nvm found in the store | 17:23 |
| Kozzi | v0.0.6.9 | 17:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's same version | 17:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | and apps4meego works via web | 17:24 |
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| Kozzi | ok, there must be some black magic here. I'm so sure that this morning before finding out imgur.com uploading works, I tried the app and some of gifs didn't work | 17:28 |
| Kozzi | not they all work :| | 17:28 |
| Kozzi | *not = now | 17:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: i fixed it on one of the releases | 17:29 |
| ladoga | chem|st: true about testing, also it's nice as you can mix it with packages from unstable when necessary | 17:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: btw voting for QA on apps4meego would be nice :P | 17:30 |
| Kozzi | yeah I remember, I tested with spiderman gif and it worked then... until this morning | 17:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: no idea | 17:30 |
| Kozzi | there is few apps I would like to vote in apps4m but not able to login | 17:30 |
| Kozzi | will wait till then :) | 17:31 |
| rZr | djszapi: https://rzr.homelinux.org/~rzr/tmp/usr/include/ | 17:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: u can do it via web | 17:31 |
| djszapi | rZr: I need an url ending with .deb... | 17:31 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/nokia-binaries/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/nokia-binaries/o/opengles-sgx-img/opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_1.4.268+0m6_armel.deb -> Just like this, but for the sgx dev package. | 17:32 |
| djszapi | libgles2-sgx-img-dev | 17:32 |
| rZr | https://rzr.homelinux.org/~rzr/tmp/opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_1.4.268+0m6_armel.deb | 17:32 |
| rZr | ok | 17:32 |
| rZr | sorry | 17:32 |
| Kozzi | http://apps.formeego.org/ 502 Bad Gateway | 17:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: piiiing :) ^ | 17:34 |
| rZr | djszapi: hold on | 17:34 |
| rZr | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/nokia-binaries/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/nokia-binaries/o/opengles-sgx-img/libgles2-sgx-img-dev_1.4.268+0m6_armel.deb | 17:37 |
| rZr | is that what u want ? | 17:37 |
| rZr | djszapi: ! | 17:37 |
| djszapi | rZr: yes, thank you. | 17:37 |
| rZr | djszapi: now time to remove automoc ! | 17:45 |
| djszapi | rZr: k | 17:46 |
| djszapi | rZr: do you have scratchbox around? | 17:48 |
| djszapi | or anybody else? | 17:49 |
| djszapi | jonni? | 17:49 |
| rZr | i have | 17:49 |
| rZr | ask | 17:49 |
| djszapi | I would need the output of this: "dpkg -S ${which arm-linux-gnueabi-ar}" | 17:50 |
| djszapi | it is probably some build essential, like binutils. | 17:50 |
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| djszapi | I should really get scratchbox up and running and my workplace, but I do not unfortunately have time at the moment for that. :/ | 17:50 |
| djszapi | at* | 17:50 |
| rZr | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -S $(which arm-linux-gnueabi-ar) | 17:51 |
| rZr | dpkg: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-ar not found. | 17:51 |
| rZr | mine is fucked | 17:51 |
| djszapi | same on c-obs | 17:51 |
| djszapi | not the same in my scratchbox though | 17:51 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 17:51 |
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| djszapi | make[4]: arm-linux-gnueabi-ar: Command not found | 17:51 |
| djszapi | jonni: clue? ^ | 17:52 |
| djszapi | I had no such issues while building Qt5 locally. | 17:52 |
| djszapi | I presume it is either a missing dependency or wrong c-obs setup with the toolchain. | 17:52 |
| djszapi | depends on that if this comes from out- or inside. | 17:52 |
| djszapi | too bad I cannot simply check this now :/ | 17:53 |
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| * djszapi is debootstrapping squeeze... | 17:54 | |
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| chem|st | ladoga: exactly! | 17:55 |
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| djszapi | rZr: can you supply me with a squeeze url for this debootstrap procedure? http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap | 17:58 |
| djszapi | perhaps debootstrap squeeze just works | 17:59 |
| rZr | djszapi: what is the question ? | 18:00 |
| * djszapi is trying debootstrap squeeze /media/devel/debian-chroot/ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian | 18:01 | |
| rZr | on which arch ? | 18:01 |
| djszapi | x86 | 18:02 |
| rZr | time sudo debootstrap --arch=$ARCH $DISTRO rootfs-$DISTRO-$ARCH # 2min | 18:02 |
| djszapi | i686 to be precise. | 18:02 |
| pa | for backupping it would be nice to have a qml port of luckybackup :) | 18:06 |
| djszapi | ./harmattan-sdk-setup.py admininstall | 18:14 |
| djszapi | Host kernel module binfmt_misc is required for the CPU transparency | 18:14 |
| djszapi | binfmt_misc is loaded on my arch though | 18:15 |
| djszapi | what am I doing wrong? | 18:15 |
| djszapi | oh I know | 18:16 |
| djszapi | I need to mount the arch proc fs into the squeeze proc fs | 18:16 |
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| rZr | yes basic chroot | 18:23 |
| djszapi | merlin1991: ping | 18:25 |
| djszapi | the harmattan platform sdk python installer seems to be crashing: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/540722/ | 18:26 |
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| rZr | /tmp/harmattan-sdk-setup.log | 18:28 |
| djszapi | I had to run it as a user | 18:29 |
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| djszapi | jonni: do you have an idea for this? http://paste.kde.org/540740/ | 18:41 |
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| djszapi | rZr: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain? | 18:42 |
| Sazpaimon | cleaning out the N9's speaker holes is probably the most annoying task ever | 18:43 |
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| faenil | Sazpaimon, vacuum isn't enough? :D | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | evidently not | 18:48 |
| djszapi | anybody who can give the scratchbox content in the sources.list file? | 18:48 |
| Sazpaimon | i had to use sticky tape to get out some bits | 18:48 |
| djszapi | ideally for squeeze. | 18:49 |
| rZr | djszapi: on harmattan ? | 18:49 |
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| djszapi | rZr: no, on Windows phone. | 18:49 |
| djszapi | what else :D | 18:49 |
| rZr | my desktop | 18:49 |
| rZr | djszapi: http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=fuse#encfs | 18:49 |
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| djszapi | I really do not see scratchbox url there... | 18:50 |
| djszapi | putting into the sources.list... | 18:50 |
| rZr | ok my sb install then ? | 18:50 |
| rZr | i have the std ones | 18:51 |
| rZr | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:52 |
| rZr | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 18:52 |
| rZr | deb-src http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free | 18:52 |
| rZr | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85 nokia-binaries | 18:52 |
| djszapi | deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ stable main -> this is what I had to get. | 18:52 |
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| djszapi | sb-conf st HARMATTAN_ARMEL -c cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard -d qemu:perl:debian-squeeze:hashutils-squeeze-sdk -t qemu-arm-sb | 19:05 |
| djszapi | sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard | 19:05 |
| djszapi | which compiler is used nowadays? | 19:05 |
| djszapi | this is from here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually.html | 19:05 |
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| rZr | djszapi, do you want me to tar my whole sb install ? | 19:15 |
| djszapi | rZr: already figured out | 19:15 |
| djszapi | but thank you. | 19:15 |
| rZr | you welcome | 19:16 |
| rZr | djszapi, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1256604#post1256604 have u visite ie ? | 19:16 |
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| djszapi | rZr: what exactly do you mean? | 19:17 |
| djszapi | if I had some sightseeing over here? | 19:17 |
| rZr | yes i plan do stay into the south/west area | 19:18 |
| djszapi | not really | 19:19 |
| djszapi | rZr: are you planning to have a camping trip? | 19:23 |
| rZr | yes if it is not raining too much | 19:24 |
| djszapi | interesting | 19:24 |
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| rZr | are u living alone over there ? | 19:25 |
| djszapi | yeah | 19:25 |
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| rZr | so i want to join us for weekend or so it will be cool | 19:26 |
| rZr | anyway this is completly out of topic :) | 19:27 |
| rZr | #h | 19:27 |
| the-boss` | rZr: Error: "h" is not a valid command. | 19:27 |
| djszapi | ouch, I am running out of the space in scratchbox while unpacking the rootfs... | 19:27 |
| rZr | #h | 19:27 |
| djszapi | what happens if it is run out totally? | 19:27 |
| djszapi | can I safely unpack later again from scratch with the increased available space? | 19:27 |
| rZr | there is only one way to know | 19:28 |
| djszapi | dpkg -S /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-ar | 19:29 |
| djszapi | dpkg: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-ar not found. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | same here. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | arghhh | 19:29 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: ping | 19:29 |
| djszapi | lbt X-Fade: can you fix the harmattan target for c-obs? | 19:29 |
| djszapi | ^ | 19:30 |
| djszapi | Qt5 is not quite building due to that issue above ^^ | 19:30 |
| rZr | dpkg wont find that one | 19:30 |
| djszapi | yes, sure. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | however this is available. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | once the scratchbox installation is fine | 19:30 |
| djszapi | it should also be available on the Community OBS. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | without fixing the c-obs, qt5 will not build :( | 19:30 |
| rZr | btw do u know where maemo5 obs is hosted ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | dpkg -S /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-ar | 19:31 |
| djszapi | scratchbox-libs: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-ar | 19:31 |
| rZr | my mistake | 19:32 |
| djszapi | rZr: I wonder why it is not using the internal ar. | 19:32 |
| rZr | the arm one ? | 19:33 |
| djszapi | most liekly this is due to the maemo mkspecs file in Qt. | 19:33 |
| djszapi | likely* | 19:33 |
| djszapi | it could work with the internal ar | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | wait, Nokia DC-16 external battery is advertised as "up to 500 charges and discharges" | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | thats pretty damn shite! | 19:33 |
| djszapi | dpkg -S /scratchbox/compilers/bin/ar | 19:34 |
| djszapi | scratchbox-libs: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/ar | 19:34 |
| djszapi | interesting, it is from the same package. | 19:34 |
| rZr | funny vid http://my-meego.com/?p=8103 | 19:34 |
| djszapi | rZr: do you know if anybody fixes bugs like this in c-obs nowadays? | 19:35 |
| rZr | seems noone do | 19:36 |
| djszapi | then we will not have qt5 package apparently. | 19:36 |
| rZr | when is qt5 expected ? | 19:37 |
| rZr | cant we hack to make it work ? | 19:37 |
| djszapi | good luck | 19:38 |
| djszapi | I do now wish to spend too much time with packaging. | 19:38 |
| djszapi | dpkg -S /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ | 19:38 |
| djszapi | scratchbox-libs: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ | 19:38 |
| djszapi | this is coming from the same package in case of scratchbox | 19:38 |
| djszapi | unsure in case of c-obs. | 19:38 |
| djszapi | where that toolchain is coming from. | 19:38 |
| rZr | i think someone said | 19:39 |
| rZr | it is not a customized of obs and sb | 19:39 |
| rZr | so setting one up should worl | 19:39 |
| rZr | so setting one up should work | 19:39 |
| rZr | i can ask some one i know | 19:39 |
| djszapi | yeah, we should get control over our build tool. | 19:40 |
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| rZr | isnt this job of hildonfundation ? | 19:42 |
| djszapi | unsure. | 19:44 |
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| djszapi | rZr: perhaps you could grab the maintenance from X-Fade? | 19:52 |
| djszapi | or share with him? | 19:52 |
| djszapi | without a working obs instance like the Harmattan, the life is just painful. | 19:52 |
| djszapi | rZr: since you seem active about c-obs, you could fix caveats yourself that way. | 19:55 |
| rZr | wont have time | 19:56 |
| rZr | no inet in my tent | 19:56 |
| djszapi | it is ok later. | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | use 3g! :D | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | (or 2g) | 19:57 |
| rZr | or no-g | 19:58 |
| djszapi | or unstable? | 19:58 |
| djszapi | rZr: can you put the qt5 package into testing? | 19:58 |
| djszapi | just to see if it builds there? | 19:58 |
| rZr | will it break anything ? | 20:00 |
| rZr | just request the push | 20:00 |
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| djszapi | rZr: sorry, I do not know how to request, and I do not have time to figure out | 20:01 |
| djszapi | just copy, and see | 20:01 |
| djszapi | I do not see this would break anything | 20:01 |
| djszapi | nothing depends on qt5 yet. | 20:01 |
| rZr | url of your package plz | 20:01 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 20:02 |
| rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan# | 20:02 |
| rZr | hit | 20:03 |
| rZr | Submit package | 20:03 |
| rZr | then fill : home:rzr:harmattan:instable | 20:03 |
| Lava_Croft | unstable? | 20:03 |
| rZr | thats all | 20:03 |
| rZr | Lava_Croft, yes the repo is getting big , i am splitting it | 20:04 |
| djszapi | rZr: done | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, you typed instable | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | you sure its not unstable?> | 20:04 |
| djszapi | Lava_Croft: of course unstable | 20:04 |
| djszapi | do not worry ;) | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | hey, you never know! | 20:04 |
| rZr | then fill : home:rzr:harmattan:unstable | 20:04 |
| djszapi | rZr: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6266 | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | rzr isnt native english iirc? | 20:04 |
| rZr | right | 20:04 |
| rZr | Lasarus, i am not even from planet earth | 20:04 |
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| djszapi | Lava_Croft: but he has been a debian developer for a while | 20:04 |
| djszapi | where the unstable is a defacto term. | 20:04 |
| djszapi | in addition i is close to u on the english keyboard at least. | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | ;) | 20:05 |
| rZr | btw unstable.eng = instable.fre | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | oh my | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | thats why i mentioned it:) | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | sorry for interrupting! | 20:06 |
| rZr | no problem it's good to keep the chan active | 20:06 |
| rZr | not like next door #tizen :) | 20:06 |
| djszapi | rZr: let us see if it builds there. | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | sigh, tizen | 20:06 |
| djszapi | if not, it is most likely a generic c-obs issue :/ | 20:06 |
| djszapi | in which case I will go to my dark corner with my dark thoughs, and will be loudly crying :P | 20:07 |
| piggz | can i interest anyone in being an alpha tester tonight? should have a working (ish) build of my 2 player game ready shortly | 20:07 |
| djszapi | thouhgts, even | 20:07 |
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| djszapi | thoughts* | 20:07 |
| djszapi | rZr: btw, I am reporting the issue anyway | 20:08 |
| djszapi | they cannot say later we did not report it | 20:08 |
| rZr | #define they | 20:08 |
| the-boss` | rZr: Error: "define" is not a valid command. | 20:09 |
| djszapi | the current maintainers | 20:09 |
| djszapi | we really need to the control over our stuff | 20:09 |
| djszapi | if they do not have time. | 20:09 |
| djszapi | it is not good for anybody. | 20:09 |
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| rZr | makes sense but most of pkgs are raw import | 20:14 |
| djszapi | rZr: https://bugs.meego.com/post_bug.cgi | 20:14 |
| rZr | they are sources maintainers noone complained so far | 20:14 |
| djszapi | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=25709 | 20:14 |
| rZr | https://bugs.meego.com/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=25709 | 20:16 |
| djszapi | aye, please guys vote for this | 20:17 |
| djszapi | in order to have a feedback to the maintainers how important Qt5 would be for us. :) | 20:17 |
| djszapi | rZr: there are tons of unresolved dependencies in unstable for qt5-base. | 20:19 |
| rZr | djszapi, i am building a couple of stuff to get rid of them | 20:19 |
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| djszapi | but then you will end up having a lot of packages in unstable as well. | 20:20 |
| rZr | they will need to be tested once before entering testing | 20:22 |
| rZr | but second repo depends on testing | 20:23 |
| rZr | so no need to add them all | 20:23 |
| djszapi | I am giving up the Qt5 packaging for now. | 20:25 |
| djszapi | I will come back to that once again, if there are any updates about the c-obs fixes wrt that. | 20:26 |
| rZr | hold on it is about to start | 20:26 |
| djszapi | rZr: you also need libpam0g-dev | 20:27 |
| rZr | it's in testing already | 20:28 |
| djszapi | anyways, I am off. | 20:28 |
| djszapi | I will check later its build status in unstable. | 20:28 |
| djszapi | it would be nice to have an unstable or/and testing with much less packages. | 20:28 |
| rZr | yes | 20:28 |
| djszapi | that way we could have a first iteration with less complexity. | 20:29 |
| djszapi | is that viable? | 20:29 |
| djszapi | or you also need tons of packages there? | 20:29 |
| rZr | for now I put all broken pkgs into unstable | 20:29 |
| rZr | in the hope someone fix them | 20:29 |
| djszapi | sounds like a plan. | 20:29 |
| rZr | before importing them into :testing | 20:29 |
| djszapi | we should ideally only be having working packages in stable. | 20:30 |
| rZr | and once tested they'll move to stable | 20:30 |
| rZr | that's the idea | 20:30 |
| djszapi | once that is done, we could make the separation | 20:30 |
| djszapi | into several smaller repositories. | 20:30 |
| djszapi | starting with the highest layers. | 20:30 |
| rZr | i dont think it's a good idea to split the stable one | 20:30 |
| djszapi | I think it is. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | because you work with less complexity | 20:31 |
| rZr | i would prefer to follow debian workflow | 20:31 |
| djszapi | when you are updating base packages, for instance. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | less chance to break. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | less risk, which is great. | 20:31 |
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| djszapi | well, debian has 1000+ packages | 20:31 |
| djszapi | we have ... 2? | 20:31 |
| djszapi | you and me? | 20:31 |
| rZr | we're soon to 1000 | 20:31 |
| djszapi | and I am inactive nowadays as well. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | so do not think we can have that complexity. | 20:31 |
| djszapi | debian can have. | 20:32 |
| djszapi | since they have tons of packagers. | 20:32 |
| rZr | well i bet they wish to have more | 20:32 |
| djszapi | they make it more complex than could be to be nice for the end users. | 20:32 |
| djszapi | we cannot unfortunately do this with proper quality. | 20:32 |
| rZr | djszapi, wait https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor | 20:32 |
| rZr | we have to wait some jobs | 20:33 |
| djszapi | so more repositories for the end user, but less complexity for the packagers. | 20:33 |
| djszapi | rZr: there are still tons of unresolvable and disabled in stable. | 20:34 |
| rZr | stable ? | 20:34 |
| rZr | you mean home:rzr:harmattan | 20:34 |
| djszapi | yes, that is meant for being stable. | 20:34 |
| rZr | well that one is having an issue | 20:34 |
| rZr | i am trying to resolve how to rebuild gtk repo | 20:35 |
| rZr | it builds into home:rzr:harmattan:testing | 20:35 |
| rZr | we have to import all home:rzr:harmattan into home:rzr:harmattan:testing untill it break gtk | 20:36 |
| djszapi | well, drop me an email about the qt5 build once it gets there. | 20:36 |
| rZr | this is a tough job | 20:36 |
| djszapi | that is exactly the problem with the current stable | 20:36 |
| djszapi | that is why I mentioned the separation | 20:36 |
| djszapi | you could eliminate a lot of submodules with a modularized approach. | 20:36 |
| djszapi | for instance the qt and kde stacks, etc | 20:37 |
| djszapi | you do not need that for gtk | 20:37 |
| djszapi | the life would be much simpler. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | for the packagers. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | not for the end users, of course. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | but we cannot please them with a goliath and qualified repository. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | we would need a harmattan packager army for that. | 20:38 |
| rZr | well we'll talk about that once i return home | 20:38 |
| djszapi | including proper c-obs maintenance. | 20:38 |
| rZr | if we setup a new obs host it would be nice to know | 20:39 |
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| rZr | djszapi, bookmark https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=harmattan | 20:40 |
| rZr | and check in a few hours | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I will check this tomorrow. | 20:40 |
| djszapi | perhaps I should just make qt5-base depend on build essentials. | 20:41 |
| djszapi | that may grab the "ar" binary with itself explicitely. | 20:41 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.19.51.20090709-0maemo10+0m6_armel.deb | 20:41 |
| djszapi | let me extract this one | 20:41 |
| djszapi | yep, that has an "ar" version, although not really the arm-linux-gnueabi-ar | 20:42 |
| djszapi | I do not honestly know how the c-obs grabs devkit tools, like this. | 20:43 |
| djszapi | X-Fade should document the whole procedure | 20:43 |
| djszapi | so we can all understand. | 20:44 |
| rZr | i have some resources on obslite too | 20:44 |
| rZr | but where to host it ? | 20:44 |
| djszapi | rZr: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 20:44 |
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| rZr | i see | 20:45 |
| rZr | well compare later | 20:46 |
| rZr | djszapi, exif break into home:rzr:harmattan too , we need to unblock this too | 20:47 |
| djszapi | rZr: you need to import the base-files as well into unstable, apparently. | 20:58 |
| merlin1991 | rZr: I just noticed you added me to +harmattan on gitorious, thus I looked at the repos and noticed, that in the "meta-harmattan" repo there are all the example files in the debian/ folder | 20:58 |
| merlin1991 | djszapi: pong, but I guess the issue is resolved? | 20:59 |
| djszapi | merlin1991: yeah, but thank you anyway. | 20:59 |
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| djszapi | rZr: please add siva886 to the harmattan group | 21:08 |
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| djszapi | rZr: perhaps it would help if we knew there are other packages using this X "ar". | 21:17 |
| djszapi | so that we could take a look why those work, if at all. | 21:17 |
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| rZr | djszapi, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=harmattan | 21:25 |
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| djszapi | yep, saw that | 21:26 |
| djszapi | let us check it in an hour. | 21:26 |
| rZr | merlin1991, hi, yes I added you in case u want to hack our packages ... since i am going on holydays :) | 21:27 |
| rZr | djszapi, who is siva886 | 21:27 |
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| rZr | djszapi, added https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships | 21:29 |
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| rZr | djszapi, can i del testing:qt5 into | 21:31 |
| rZr | djszapi, can i del testing:qt5 | 21:31 |
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| djszapi | rZr: siva886 is my friend | 21:38 |
| djszapi | the author of translateall and the route planner as well. | 21:38 |
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| rZr | make[4]: arm-linux-gnueabi-ar: Command not found | 21:45 |
| rZr | dammit | 21:45 |
| rZr | can u rm testing:qt5 ? | 21:45 |
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| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Atesting -> it is not there. | 21:48 |
| rZr | err | 21:52 |
| rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 21:52 |
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| djszapi | rZr: history | 22:00 |
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| djszapi | ok, I am leaving, see you. | 22:01 |
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| rZr | djszapi, btw just create a wrapper script in /usr/local/bin | 22:02 |
| rZr | this can be done into meta-harmattan | 22:02 |
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| jpwhiting | hey all, is there a decent way to get a good looking dialog that I can add my own content to? | 22:07 |
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| jpwhiting | or is copying CommonDialog.qml into my project the best/most used way to do that? | 22:07 |
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| rashm2k | anybody any idea or clue why I'm getting random segfaults in function rmdir I get no stack trace | 22:08 |
| rashm2k | just this line: | 22:09 |
| rashm2k | 0x3aee6d14 <+0x0000> ldrbr0, [r5] | 22:09 |
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| jkt | rashm2k: you might want to install the libc6-dbg to get proper symbols. Unfortunately, it isn't available officially anywhere | 22:21 |
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| rashm2k | any ideas how I can get libc6-dbg | 22:23 |
| jkt | rashm2k: http://jkt.flaska.net/n950/libc6-dbg_2.10-0maemo20+0m7_armel.deb, but I've got that file from a random, untrusted source | 22:23 |
| jkt | rashm2k: the symbols appear to match, though | 22:23 |
| jkt | now someone could help me find out why I get an unhandled std::bad_alloc when poping a Page which contains a QDeclarativeWebView subclass showing some Korean characters | 22:24 |
| jkt | that std::bad_alloc is caused by qBadAlloc, and therefore likely by Q_CHECK_PTR and not by a failed memory allocation | 22:25 |
| rZr | lol | 22:25 |
| rZr | I thought Apple has patented rectangle with rounded corners, so maybe add some s&m spikes to the four corners. | 22:25 |
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| djszapi_ | jpwhiting: I believe, it depends on the content you would like to put into. | 22:41 |
| djszapi_ | but there are no dialogs widely available as far as I know apart from the Harmattan components. | 22:41 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi_: I've got a TextArea is all | 22:41 |
| jpwhiting | but put it into a Dialog here, which is ok | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps someone made a "modern" date and time picker dialog as far as I know, out there. | 22:42 |
| jpwhiting | would be nice if something nicer were out there, but this will work | 22:42 |
| rZr | hey djszapi could a symlink to ar fix it all ? | 22:42 |
| Elleo | is there something I can do to manually request the virtual keyboard? | 22:43 |
| Elleo | and by manually I mean programmatically | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: I think the best would be to package ar for now | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | and make qt5 depend on that. | 22:45 |
| djszapi_ | Elleo: yep, something like requestInputPanel | 22:51 |
| rZr | djszapi, custom binutils ? | 22:51 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: qt4 has these dependencies: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.9), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) | 22:52 |
| djszapi_ | I wonder, if I add those, it works. | 22:52 |
| djszapi_ | it would work* | 22:52 |
| djszapi_ | I would need to test. | 22:53 |
| djszapi_ | custom binutils is dangerous | 22:53 |
| Elleo | djszapi_: ah, great thanks :) | 22:53 |
| djszapi_ | it can break the system. | 22:53 |
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| rZr | i am sure you have ar | 22:54 |
| djszapi_ | Elleo: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_input_method_state.html#a82a59dc6c92ef65598ead51b40447b5b | 22:54 |
| rZr | so just create a symlink and put it in path | 22:54 |
| rZr | on configure strep | 22:54 |
| rZr | step | 22:55 |
| Elleo | djszapi_: thanks, I was looking in the QT docs :) | 22:55 |
| Elleo | seems there's something similar introduced in qt5 (showInputPanel()) | 22:55 |
| djszapi_ | we do not have qt5 yet properly on Harmattan | 22:55 |
| Elleo | yeah, I realise | 22:56 |
| Elleo | which is why I'm so glad you pointed me to the MTF version | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | unfortunately Qt5 is not enough itself. | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | we also need to port the qtquick2 components. | 22:56 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: I will take a look at the issue again, once I have at least read access to the Harmattan OBS instance. | 22:57 |
| djszapi_ | if we cannot get, I would say good bye to this instance. | 22:57 |
| Sazpaimon | google's calculator/converter thing really needs to add unix time support | 22:58 |
| djszapi_ | Elleo: you can also create a SoftwareInputPanelRequest event and put that onto the event queue. | 22:59 |
| Elleo | djszapi_: requestSoftwareInputPanel has solved my problem nicely, thanks :) | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | :) | 22:59 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: have you ever tried to build qt4 with c-obs? | 23:01 |
| djszapi_ | should be the same issue for that, I would guess so. | 23:01 |
| rZr | <djszapi_> rZr: have you ever tried to build qt4 with c-obs? | 23:01 |
| rZr | not | 23:01 |
| rZr | yet | 23:01 |
| rZr | but i am sure i used ar :) | 23:02 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: x ar? | 23:02 |
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| rZr | most libs do that | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: perhaps you used binutils. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | which is not the x ar version. | 23:04 |
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| rZr | donno | 23:05 |
| rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=libjpeg7&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 23:05 |
| rZr | CCLD libjpeg.la | 23:05 |
| rZr | this is libtool | 23:06 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: it pesters me that we do not anything what is under the community repository | 23:06 |
| djszapi_ | it is some "imported" variant of the Nokia development repository. | 23:07 |
| djszapi_ | but I do not know what packages and which versions that means. This should be understandably documented software. It is not any better than a closed source software this way, aka. sandbox. | 23:07 |
| djszapi_ | understanably documented.* | 23:08 |
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| rZr | djszapi, one i will try to setup my own obs | 23:26 |
| rZr | i know a couple of persons who can help to setup a such infrastructure | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | that would be great | 23:27 |
| rZr | we'll talk about that the day our cobs is shut down | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | well, nope. | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | I will talk about this in few weeks, if we cannot access to the current one. | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | I will not wait that long, for sure. | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | it is just blocking the community efforts. | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | it needs a replacement, if cannot be fixed soon. | 23:28 |
| rZr | <djszapi_> I will talk about this in few weeks | 23:29 |
| rZr | <rZr> we'll talk about that the day our cobs is shut down | 23:29 |
| rZr | both statements are not exclusive | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: they are unfortunately. | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | the c-obs is not down this year | 23:31 |
| djszapi_ | and backed up for next year as well. | 23:31 |
| rZr | good | 23:31 |
| djszapi_ | but this unfortunately does not mean, this is accessible. | 23:32 |
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