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| pa | hahahaha http://gizmodo.com/5933688/its-ok-to-be-a-hater-because-everything-is-bad | 00:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | well I got nokia suite to make a backup of my N9 | 00:08 |
| Sazpaimon | but NBUExplorer won't open the NBU file | 00:08 |
| Sazpaimon | so it's pretty much useless | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | get backupmenu | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm | 00:26 |
| infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops -ECHAN | 00:27 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah wrong device | 00:27 |
| Sazpaimon | also doesn't help me when I'm going to be reflashing the entire device | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on HARM. no | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | since nokway to restore against aegis | 00:28 |
| Sazpaimon | guess what I'm going to have to do is: 1. Format my N9 2. Restore my backup 3. Sync all of my SMSes into ovi suite. 4. Delete all the broken messages. 5. get my E71 nbu exported into a CSV for the messages, 6. Import them into nokia suite 7. Sync again | 00:30 |
| Sazpaimon | hopefully reflashing everyting will fix my camera | 00:32 |
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| pa | was there some problem with python and launching it from a bash script? | 01:08 |
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| Sazpaimon | remind me again, flasher -F ape.bin -F mmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure -f -R will reflash both emmc and everything else, and also completely erase emmc beforehand, right? | 01:16 |
| Sazpaimon | or does EMMC need to be erased first before flashing | 01:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | okay I was mostly right | 01:30 |
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| javispedro | So I don't have debug symbols for the PR1.3 N9 and I don't have debug symbols for the betaPR1.2 N950 | 01:46 |
| javispedro | how is one supposed to develop for those things? adding a printf every other line? | 01:47 |
| * javispedro ponders randomly banging head on keyboard until it works | 01:47 | |
| Sazpaimon | wait you mean there's a way OTHER than printf-ing everything? | 01:47 |
| Sazpaimon | teach me your ways javispedro | 01:48 |
| Sazpaimon | also, has the openmode PR1.3 kernel come out yet? | 01:48 |
| javispedro | the openmode PR1.3 kernel has been since forever | 01:48 |
| Sazpaimon | but it was just the PR1.2 kernel renamed | 01:48 |
| Sazpaimon | the actual PR1.3 kernel has a couple changes I believe | 01:48 |
| javispedro | oh, it was? meh | 01:48 |
| crevetor_ | javispedro: do you have 1.3 on N950 ? | 01:49 |
| Sazpaimon | I can re-apply the patches myself, then | 01:49 |
| javispedro | crevetor_: no | 01:49 |
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| crevetor_ | javispedro: do you have a OCF binary for pr1.3 (for N9) ? | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | Warning: user data may reside on MMC. In that case the MMC is unnecessarily erased twice. | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | screw you flasher | 01:50 |
| Sazpaimon | don't tell ME what's unnecessary | 01:50 |
| javispedro | crevetor_: no, but you can make one yourself either intercepting what NSU downloads or using one of those popular tools in TMO | 01:50 |
| crevetor_ | hum.. Maybe I will | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | I guess I should somehow thank the godess that I managed to get libc6-dbg for N950's betaPR1.2 | 01:53 |
| javispedro | I don't even remember where I got it from :P | 01:53 |
| javispedro | but libqt4-*-dbg? hah! | 01:54 |
| javispedro | *rant* *rant* *rant* | 01:54 |
| orfix | How can I connect to a WiFi network and set a static IP, "/sbin/ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.2/24 up" gives me the following error "ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied", I am logged as root using devel-su. | 02:01 |
| orfix | any idea ? thank you. | 02:01 |
| javispedro | you can use the UI =) | 02:03 |
| javispedro | other than that, to use ifconfig you will need CAP::net_admin iirc, which is develsh-gettable | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | so, just run develsh. | 02:04 |
| orfix | javispedro: can I set a static IP using the UI ? | 02:05 |
| javispedro | certainly | 02:05 |
| javispedro | Settings -> Internet Connection -> Edit networks -> ... -> Advanced | 02:06 |
| orfix | javispedro: yep, shame on me... I just didn't searched for it :] | 02:06 |
| javispedro | meh, the trivial suggestion worked for once :) | 02:06 |
| Sazpaimon | oh man | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | that's a relief | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | reflashed everything, emmc and rootfs, and my camera works again | 02:07 |
| javispedro | that used to happen when mixmatching 1.1 and 1.2 kernels | 02:07 |
| Sazpaimon | Ive been using e-yes's dualboot kernel for a while now | 02:08 |
| Sazpaimon | both on PR1.2 and 1.3 | 02:08 |
| Sazpaimon | at any rate, I'm going to patch up PR1.3's kernel for openmode and flash it now | 02:08 |
| orfix | javispedro: thank you. | 02:09 |
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| Sazpaimon | fuck | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon | i was going to ask javispedro what he did to fix the filenames on his PR1.3 DVD | 02:14 |
| orfix | javispedro: there's no way to input dots '.' only comma (without copy/paste) | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon | he must have parsed the dsc files | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | that's really annoying | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | who made this DVD and was like "8.3 filenames? sure why not!" | 02:15 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: I didn't have any filename issue on mine | 02:21 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: see http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ | 02:21 |
| Sazpaimon | Corsac, weird, all my filenames are uppercase, 8.3 | 02:23 |
| Sazpaimon | like, ALSA_PLU.TGZ | 02:24 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe because the disc was never finalized? | 02:24 |
| Sazpaimon | it still has free space on it | 02:24 |
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| Sazpaimon | even then, I dont think ISO9660 has any limitations like that | 02:26 |
| Sazpaimon | okay this is kind of annoying | 02:28 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia suite isn't showing any messages on my N9 | 02:28 |
| Sazpaimon | but theyre clearly there | 02:28 |
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| Corsac | Sazpaimon: are you sure you mounted it correctly? | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 02:31 |
| Corsac | iso9660 is not really the correct way to mount a dvd anyway | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | oh the dvd? | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | i just popped it in the drive, I'm on windows ATM | 02:31 |
| Corsac | aha | 02:31 |
| Corsac | that's why | 02:31 |
| Corsac | I guess :) | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon | like I said, windows sees it as a DVD that can still be written to | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | right now I'm trying to figure out why nokia suite says my N9 has no messages on it | 02:32 |
| Sazpaimon | even though I'm looking at it and it's clearly there | 02:33 |
| Hurrian | Sazpaimon, because Nokia Suite is a pile of trash? | 02:33 |
| Sazpaimon | all that aside | 02:33 |
| Hurrian | support for Maemo devices has been very, very sketchy | 02:33 |
| Sazpaimon | this has worked before, I know it has | 02:33 |
| Sazpaimon | THERE IT GOES | 02:34 |
| Sazpaimon | I had to refresh the list like 10 times | 02:34 |
| Sazpaimon | looks like I actually need to VIEW the messages in the messages app before nokia suite sees them | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | da fuck? | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon | what does viewing a conversation do internally? | 02:36 |
| ieatlint | remember, before any meeting with upper management, get five or six acronyms that sound impressive together to reference so you sound smart and they don't want to admit they don't know wtf you're talking about | 03:12 |
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| Sazpaimon | okay WHAT THE HELL. I deleted the messages on my N9 from nokia suite, and they appeared to be gone from my messages app. Restart the phone and THEY ARE ALL BACK?! | 04:11 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell man | 04:11 |
| Hurrian | DB probably wasn't committed to disk or something | 04:19 |
| Hurrian | whelp | 04:19 |
| Sazpaimon | nah it's not that | 04:19 |
| Sazpaimon | apparently the N9 was hiding some conversations | 04:19 |
| Sazpaimon | for some reason | 04:19 |
| Sazpaimon | I think going from the E71 -> N900 -> N9 may have screwed something up along the way | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | but for some reason it wont sync messages from the phone to nokia suite | 04:24 |
| Sazpaimon | weir | 04:24 |
| Sazpaimon | d | 04:24 |
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| Sazpaimon | can someone link me to the PR1.2 repository | 04:37 |
| Sazpaimon | nevermind I found it | 04:37 |
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| Sazpaimon | there seem to be a number of changes between PR1.2 and PR1.3 kernels | 04:51 |
| Sazpaimon | so I guess nobody else has made a proper PR1.3 openmode kernel, I'll do it | 04:51 |
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| Sazpaimon | seriously? so now nokia suite needs to copy each message, one by one, from its local storage to the N9 | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I have about 5000 SMSes | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | this is gonna be fun | 06:22 |
| Sazpaimon | at least it's automatic, it just takes like, 3 seconds per message | 06:23 |
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| ieatlint | hey, that's only about 4.5h | 06:44 |
| Sazpaimon | I don't think Nokia understands the meaning of "sync" | 06:50 |
| Sazpaimon | when you click sync in nokia suite, it copies from your phone to the pc | 06:50 |
| Sazpaimon | but not the other way around | 06:50 |
| Sazpaimon | so that.. really isn't sync | 06:50 |
| heymaster | :) | 06:56 |
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| Sazpaimon | oh great | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | messages I sent are showing as recieved messags | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | *messages | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | god damn it | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | i guess I need to find another way | 07:18 |
| tehdely | yay: defaults write /Applications/NokiaLink.app/Contents/Info LSUIElement 1 | 07:19 |
| tehdely | hides Nokia Link from the Dock | 07:19 |
| tehdely | it's got a menu extra anyway, so who needs it in the dock? answer: nobody! | 07:19 |
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| Sazpaimon | guess I need to export it as CSV | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | and import it from there | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | also there really should be a way to import historical non-sms messages to the N9 | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | like IM messages | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | so far I haven't been able to figure that out | 07:25 |
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| hiemanshu | beford: sublime is awesome, except the random purchase now when you save :) not that annoying though | 07:48 |
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| Sazpaimon | funny how much you can do even without dev mode on | 09:23 |
| Sazpaimon | all you need to do is install filebox and fingerterm and youre pretty good just as long as you dont need root | 09:23 |
| Sazpaimon | hell, you could probably install inception and opensh if you want | 09:27 |
| Sazpaimon | surprised at how many tools are installed by default | 09:32 |
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| Tronic | Cannot install inception without a terminal but of course you can get fingerterm instead of the one that comes with devmode. | 09:36 |
| Sazpaimon | that's what I'm saying | 09:36 |
| Sazpaimon | does inception not install from just executing the deb file? | 09:36 |
| Sazpaimon | I use openmode so I've never bothered with inception | 09:37 |
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| Tronic | Sazpaimon: You need to run a binary in terminal and enter root password to perform the actual installation. | 09:46 |
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| hiemanshu | well finger term can do that :P | 09:54 |
| Sazpaimon | not without dev mode on | 09:57 |
| Sazpaimon | i always figured inception worked like most harmattan packages that will install normally using the gui | 09:58 |
| valdur55 | can i use dorvak layout with fingerterm? | 09:58 |
| Tronic | Technically you could even install meego-terminal (or the other packages enabled by devmode) without actually turning the mode on. | 09:58 |
| Sazpaimon | valdur55, you can make your own layout | 09:59 |
| Sazpaimon | so yes | 09:59 |
| Tronic | (AFAIK the "setting" doesn't do anything but automatically install these packages) | 09:59 |
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| ptl | just compiled zsh for the N9 | 10:06 |
| ptl | works perfectly | 10:06 |
| ptl | 5.0 | 10:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | so what's the deal with system-ui-extensions vs unrestricted-system-ui | 11:56 |
| Sazpaimon | I know one doesn't require any incepted/openmode device, but coderus isn't posting it on TMO | 11:56 |
| Sazpaimon | did I miss some conflict between coderus and TMO and/or MohammadAG | 11:57 |
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| pa | good question | 12:01 |
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| Sazpaimon | you know what's annoying, if I have a contact with multiple numbers attached to it, conversations from that contact will show each conversation from those numbers seperately instead of merging them together | 12:09 |
| Sazpaimon | kind of annoying | 12:10 |
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| MohammadAG | Sazpaimon: Yes :p | 12:15 |
| nibbler | makes sense, somehow. looks like a valid abstraction. if you answer to a message of the conversation, there would be ambiguity to which number to send your reply to, if they were merged. | 12:15 |
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| MohammadAG | nibbler: +1 | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | Pondering to get a metawatch, not sure if it's worth it | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | It's not visually good looking, and it costs the same as a Nexus 7 | 12:17 |
| Sazpaimon | MohammadAG, yes @ coderus, or yes @ my conversation rant? | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | First :P | 12:18 |
| Sazpaimon | i take it you don't care to elaborate | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | Well its simple really | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | He doesn't care about collaborating | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | Instead he copies source and releases as his own with some small mods like icon changes | 12:19 |
| nibbler | i understand the point, but ui should be unambiguous and behave in an expected way. so... if it were merged, you wouldn't know what happens after you hit send. get a dialog, to select a number? message goes to the number of the last received message? ui design ain't easy :( | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | So I went closed source to slow him down | 12:19 |
| Sazpaimon | what do you suppose he changed to make it inception-free? | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | It edits desktop files of stock applets to load a different applet | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | system-ui still has a restriction | 12:21 |
| MohammadAG | Then he merged all applets into one | 12:21 |
| Sazpaimon | also, if my google translate-fu is correct, he said he's going to be re-writing it from scratch for the next version | 12:21 |
| Sazpaimon | so your plan may have worked | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | He can do whatever he likes | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | I don't really care | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | Just don't steal code and not credit the author | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | Or copy GPL code without releasing source | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | One more shot at my work from him and I'll decide if Harmattan's still worth it | 12:23 |
| Sazpaimon | to be honest you'll probably run into such things at any platform | 12:24 |
| pa | MohammadAG, come on, it's fun with these guys :) | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG | Sazpaimon: Yeah, but iOS's drama is better | 12:25 |
| pa | MohammadAG, pity that it requires one to buy an iphone.. :) | 12:26 |
| pa | and about the devkit, doesnt it run only on mac? | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | I'm typing this with one :p | 12:26 |
| pa | or also on win/linux? | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | Got OS X installed on my laptopq | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | It's OS X only | 12:26 |
| pa | u c. | 12:27 |
| Sazpaimon | okay i cant figure out why some of my conversation windows are blank | 12:27 |
| Sazpaimon | despite their messages showing up in search results | 12:27 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 12:28 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact most of my conversation windows are blank | 12:28 |
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| Sazpaimon | how the hell did this happen | 12:28 |
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| Sazpaimon | even if I make a new conversation, the window is still blank | 12:42 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 12:42 |
| Sazpaimon | any ideas? | 12:42 |
| Sazpaimon | well, killall'd messaging-ui and it seemed to do it | 12:44 |
| Sazpaimon | really weird | 12:44 |
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| Sazpaimon | so just to be sure, has anyone made a proper PR1.3 openmode kernel | 12:51 |
| Sazpaimon | using the actual PR1.3 sources? | 12:51 |
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| pa | QA is so slow.. | 13:25 |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/crypto# for whoever cares I backported #GnuTls for #MeeGo / #HarmattaN shared repo , cool packages to come !n950club | 13:28 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer05, DocScrutinizer51, whichever one of you is the REAL DocScrutinizer, could you tell me if the PR1.3 openmode kernel you're hosting is just the PR1.2 kernel with a different version set? | 13:30 |
| pa | does anyone know what PSM exactly does? | 13:33 |
| pa | it seems to me the phone lasts longer with psm off.. | 13:33 |
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| Tronic | pa: Have you tried PSM with full battery? | 13:48 |
| Tronic | (so that it isn't just the last 10 % that are being consumed faster" | 13:48 |
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| Tronic | PSM itself does many things, probably too many to make a comprehensive list. E.g. it turns off Wi-Fi Hotspot. | 13:49 |
| Elleo | http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/08/11/tizmee-tizen-compatibility-layer-for-meego/ | 13:49 |
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| pa | i see | 14:05 |
| pa | i will try from full battery | 14:05 |
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| djszapiN9 | pa, ping | 14:18 |
| djszapiN9 | 40 km / 90 min so far | 14:20 |
| djszapiN9 | forgot to install your stuff | 14:20 |
| djszapiN9 | so send me the link again | 14:20 |
| djszapiN9 | also make sure it is a user package | 14:20 |
| djszapiN9 | so that I can install from console | 14:21 |
| djszapiN9 | I am now on the road :) | 14:21 |
| pa | ok | 14:22 |
| pa | let me reup it | 14:23 |
| pa | 2 secs | 14:23 |
| * djszapiN9 is heading to the ocean | 14:23 | |
| djszapiN9 | for a dive :) | 14:23 |
| djszapiN9 | and then 50 km back :) | 14:23 |
| djszapiN9 | damn it is hard to type while biking :) | 14:24 |
| djszapiN9 | mount would be handy :) | 14:24 |
| pa | told ya ;) | 14:25 |
| djszapiN9 | well the real fix is not itcing while biking ;) | 14:26 |
| djszapiN9 | ircing | 14:26 |
| pa | hehe | 14:27 |
| djszapiN9 | anyway bbiab from the ocean | 14:27 |
| pa | anyway, sent in query | 14:27 |
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| djszapiN9 | is there an app to upload pictures right away? | 14:53 |
| djszapiN9 | that I have just taken with the builtin camera application? | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sazpaimon: the 1.3 openmode kernel is the 1.3 sources patched with the same patches as 1.2 openmode kernel, then compiled | 14:56 |
| pa | djszapiN9, maybe the one from ZogG_laptop ? | 14:57 |
| pa | dont remember | 14:57 |
| pa | but doesnt it do it as well by default? | 14:57 |
| djszapiN9 | default what? | 14:58 |
| pa | like if u click on the "share" button on the gallery | 14:58 |
| djszapiN9 | I would like to upload to imagebin for instance without the raw browser thingie. | 14:58 |
| pa | i dont know, because i dont have flickr/picasa accounts | 14:58 |
| djszapiN9 | so then I can send to my friends, etc. | 14:58 |
| pa | but it looks that you can add those accounts and upload to picasa, f example | 14:59 |
| djszapiN9 | you do not need to. | 14:59 |
| djszapiN9 | picasa sucks (tm) :) | 14:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: btw anyway to test your app? | 15:09 |
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| pa | ZogG_laptop, i can send you if you want to try it before it passes QA | 15:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: would like to | 15:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: sent it to ovi? | 15:23 |
| pa | yep, but they take ages to QA it.. :( | 15:23 |
| pa | btw i just repackaged my other app, but do you know whether it is possible to send a command line app to ovi? | 15:24 |
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| cash | UFO | 15:27 |
| cash | Zzzz Alien phone home | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: you can send command line app, just make terminal as dep. at list irssi does that | 15:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: btw you can upload to apps4meego as well | 15:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: you can do apps4meego -> free, ovi -> paid | 15:31 |
| cash | for me the question ? | 15:34 |
| pa | ah cool! great tip, thanks! | 15:34 |
| pa | (terminal as dep :)) | 15:34 |
| pa | then i'll push that too | 15:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: just make icon that opens terminal with command | 15:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | or with command --help | 15:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 15:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | check how irssi do it | 15:37 |
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| pa | thanks :) | 15:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: thank you, more apps - better for us :P | 15:41 |
| pa | i should also learn a little how to engineer python code | 15:45 |
| pa | when i write python, it soon looks like a mess | 15:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: put code in harmattan repo on github if you go opensource and ask khertan and thp to review it | 15:47 |
| pa | btw what IDE do you guys use for python? | 15:50 |
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| Oni^ | howto get .bashrc work with user | 17:57 |
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| djszapi_ | piggz: now I am here, if you have playbook questions | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | is there a way to get fake gps data for the positioning services inside scratchbox? | 18:32 |
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| pa | how did it go? :) | 18:39 |
| pa | by the way, does anyone know what qtcreator exactly does when it deploys a package? meaning, it ssh into the phone, but then how does it get to be root, and to install the package? | 18:40 |
| pa | or is it possible to run dpkg from user? | 18:40 |
| pa | to me it says it requires superuser privileges | 18:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: IDE for anything -> vim :P | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | +1 | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | well, -1 | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | in fact | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | because vi is enough :) | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: than it's 0 | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | consider it -2 | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | +1 + -1 = 0 | 18:45 |
| djszapi_ | do not submit | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i think vi is too much, v is better | 18:46 |
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| pa | heh | 18:46 |
| pa | but do you have an idea how to replicate the workflow of qtcreator? | 18:46 |
| djszapi_ | pa: why would you replicate? | 18:46 |
| djszapi_ | why don't you just do nicely? | 18:46 |
| djszapi_ | does not really matter what creator does | 18:46 |
| pa | like automatically scp the package, automatically install, and then run? | 18:46 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: "v" does not ring a bell... | 18:46 |
| djszapi_ | pa: make an alias, done, next customre :) | 18:47 |
| djszapi_ | customer* | 18:47 |
| pa | an alias? | 18:47 |
| djszapi_ | well, you can make a function as well for your shell | 18:47 |
| djszapi_ | it is a matter of taste, really. | 18:47 |
| pa | i mean, so far for a python project i have a shell script that does the building, that does the scp | 18:47 |
| pa | but it scp as user | 18:47 |
| pa | i dont have ssh root access on the phone | 18:48 |
| djszapi_ | not entirely sure what you mean... | 18:48 |
| pa | i mean, on qtcreator you set your target, with IP address, and it even runs the app, after having installed it | 18:48 |
| djszapi_ | more precisely, I am not sure what the problem is | 18:48 |
| djszapi_ | you have never deployed an application from command line? | 18:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: what i want is autocompete for Qt and C++ :P | 18:49 |
| pa | the problem is trying to replicate such a workflow from a bash script | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: install the relevant add-on | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | done, next customer | 18:49 |
| pa | (on the host pc, not on the device) | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | replicate what? | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | you just need to do the process | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | it is not a replication | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | it is the process | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | and yes, you can of course chain commands in bash | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | or zsh | 18:49 |
| djszapi_ | or whatever you use on the host | 18:49 |
| pa | ok, but then i dont get how to install the app once i scp it | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i want it to do coffee | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: visit another shop :) | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | next customer. | 18:50 |
| pa | i mean without having to ssh in the device, devel-su, and doing dpkg -i by hand | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | pa: dpkg -i | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | why without? | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | that makes no sense | 18:50 |
| pa | coz i dont want to do it interactively every time i want to redeploy and test | 18:51 |
| djszapi_ | well you can use pkgmgr as well | 18:51 |
| djszapi_ | if the package is user | 18:51 |
| pa | ah | 18:51 |
| djszapi_ | but you need to do that anyways | 18:51 |
| pa | thatts it | 18:51 |
| djszapi_ | what is the problem ? | 18:51 |
| pa | well pkgmgr can be invoked via ssh | 18:51 |
| pa | devel-su requires interaction | 18:51 |
| djszapi_ | if you do not like how Harmattan works | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | do not developer for it : | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | :) | 18:52 |
| pa | no, i mean i think i need to use pkgmgr | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | if you accept how it works, then follow the way how it works | 18:52 |
| pa | thanks | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | develop* | 18:52 |
| pa | perfect it works :) thanks djszapi_ ! | 18:53 |
| pa | and i guess thats what qtcreator does, then | 18:54 |
| djszapi_ | no worries | 18:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmmmm | 19:08 |
| * itsnotabigtruck has an idea for a phone with integrated espresso machine | 19:08 | |
| Oni^ | and then we wait for error 418 | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:13 |
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| piggz | djszapi_: its ll working now | 19:24 |
| djszapi_ | super | 19:27 |
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| piggz | some people.... http://pastebin.com/N6qnrHgx | 19:38 |
| piggz | djszapi_: i set an env var to speciy where the plafform plugin is found | 19:38 |
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| pa | asd | 19:43 |
| djszapi_ | piggz: k | 19:43 |
| pa | piggz: there's the need of a social protocol that takes idiots into account :) | 19:43 |
| djszapi_ | piggz: I would pay the 59 cents back | 19:45 |
| djszapi_ | it is not something that you desperately need, no? | 19:45 |
| djszapi_ | so why make someone unhappy? | 19:45 |
| piggz | djszapi_: i am hppy to refund it, but im not happy about receiving a load of abuse as first contact | 19:45 |
| pa | djszapi_, well such people deserve to be unhappy | 19:46 |
| djszapi_ | piggz: you should ignore, if you do not like. | 19:46 |
| djszapi_ | but if 59 cents makes him happy, give it to him. | 19:46 |
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| djszapi_ | and there will be one more person, happy. | 19:46 |
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| djszapi_ | and ignore the rest. | 19:46 |
| djszapi_ | that is what I would personally do. | 19:47 |
| djszapi_ | person, I would even express my sorry, it is unfortunately not meeting his expectation. | 19:47 |
| djszapi_ | s/person/perhaps/ | 19:47 |
| infobot | djszapi_ meant: perhaps, I would even express my sorry, it is unfortunately not meeting his expectation. | 19:47 |
| piggz | yes, its not really worth the hassle | 19:50 |
| djszapi_ | it is not really a good habit to call your customers "abusive", or "idiots". | 19:52 |
| djszapi_ | no matter what they do. | 19:52 |
| djszapi_ | you should rpely (IMO) politely, and try to make them happy, and step forth. | 19:52 |
| djszapi_ | reply* | 19:52 |
| djszapi_ | at least, I believe, that is the proper stance towards customers. | 19:53 |
| piggz | ive refunded him anyway | 19:55 |
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| piggz | saying im sorry it didnt work for him...but seriously....i dont think i called him an idiot...but calling him abusive is stating a fact | 19:56 |
| djszapi_ | piggz: calling him abusive just opens up the can of worms | 19:57 |
| djszapi_ | do you need that? | 19:57 |
| djszapi_ | being polite may help. | 19:57 |
| djszapi_ | it helps a lot of time | 19:57 |
| djszapi_ | if not, you cannot do anything more anyways | 19:57 |
| djszapi_ | but surely no need to get into useless ping-pong fight | 19:58 |
| djszapi_ | it is a lost-lost for everybody | 19:58 |
| piggz | for all i know, its something he does to get apps for free, i dont suppose me cancelling the order will remove it from his device? | 20:00 |
| djszapi_ | ask ovi | 20:00 |
| piggz | djszapi_: this was play store | 20:01 |
| djszapi_ | unsure what that is | 20:01 |
| djszapi_ | but anyway | 20:01 |
| djszapi_ | it does not matter, if it is ovi, or foobar | 20:01 |
| djszapi_ | application distributors should build a technology around this feature. | 20:02 |
| piggz | djszapi_: google android store | 20:03 |
| djszapi_ | oh you mean the market... | 20:03 |
| djszapi_ | he at least said his problem | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | I got sooooo useless comments | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | like "good" | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | and then three stars :) | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | I reported them as an abuse | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | one of them were removed, but others were not. | 20:05 |
| djszapi_ | there was also a post that google translate did not recognize in any language | 20:06 |
| djszapi_ | is there a way in the browser (mozilla) to increase the timeout for loading a page? | 20:07 |
| djszapi_ | my mobile internet has something like 25 kb / s, and I am getting a timeout error after 1-2 mins. | 20:07 |
| djszapi_ | I presume, the initial loading of the site would be few megabytes. | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | thp: anything happened to Mustr? (I think you made it, right) | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | It seems OVI cannot ever find the install package on its servers | 20:10 |
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| Lava_Croft | piggz: protip: Whenever dealing with customer complaints online, ignore all the bad words | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | This way you can more easily read his actual message and as an added bonus you dont get agitated | 20:13 |
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| piggz | Lava_Croft: yeah, little point worring about such things, im just surprised someone could get _so_ worked up | 20:33 |
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| Lava_Croft | This is the internet! | 20:43 |
| Lava_Croft | People get worked up about Comic Sans | 20:43 |
| piggz | true | 20:44 |
| Lava_Croft | for all you know, the guy's wife just left him | 20:45 |
| Lava_Croft | or he just lost his job | 20:45 |
| Lava_Croft | or he was from Argentina and saw how the women's hockeyteam just lost the olympic final | 20:45 |
| Lava_Croft | who knows? | 20:45 |
| piggz | actually, he's norwegian, he maybe worked at nokia! | 20:46 |
| Lava_Croft | :D | 20:46 |
| Lava_Croft | Well, Nokia still sells N9's, so its not all bad at Nokia | 20:46 |
| piggz | he maybe got asked to work on the wp8 implementation | 20:48 |
| djszapi_ | oh come on... please drop the matter :) | 20:49 |
| piggz | well, theres not much other chat going on ;) .... as soon as ive had my tea i will get back to harmattan coding :) | 20:50 |
| djszapi_ | really no any real need to enchance. | 20:50 |
| piggz | enchance? | 20:52 |
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| djszapi_ | I really cannot believe the discussion is still ongoing | 20:52 |
| djszapi_ | why? | 20:52 |
| djszapi_ | why? | 20:52 |
| djszapi_ | why? | 20:52 |
| djszapi_ | the guy was paid, you may have replied a polite. Done. Next customer. | 20:53 |
| djszapi_ | it is not all that interesting topic anyways | 20:53 |
| piggz | ok | 20:53 |
| djszapi_ | or well, continue if you wish | 20:54 |
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| pa | piggz, these norwegians.. jeez ;) | 20:57 |
| piggz | that did seem a little odd, but hey... | 20:57 |
| pa | these guys are brave only behind a screen :) | 20:57 |
| pa | kidding (a little) | 20:59 |
| piggz | hows your apps coming on? | 20:59 |
| pa | havent done much today, but i fixed the python problem i had, now i know how to distribute pyc only, and the library i need also, bundled with the app | 21:01 |
| pa | actually it's time to get back at it: ) | 21:02 |
| piggz | me too, doing complicated client-server stuff, where i also have to write the server | 21:03 |
| pa | btw are you interested in creating a web app similar to the one you are interfacing with , at the moment? | 21:04 |
| pa | i was considering it, for my app | 21:04 |
| pa | it doesnt seem too complicated, if a decent cms is used to handle already the account management | 21:05 |
| piggz | hmmm....i could be tempted, but its maybe out of my league....i could maybe do the api stuff, but i suck at web design :) | 21:05 |
| piggz | the game im doing atm is using a node.js server for the server side | 21:05 |
| piggz | my last one used php, but node.js is more buzz word friendly ;) | 21:06 |
| piggz | im sure the everytrail.com site is created by a team working full time | 21:06 |
| pa | and the design doesnt look that great.. | 21:07 |
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| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer05, how did you manage to get the openmode kernel up before the DVD was even shipped? | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sazpaimon: magic | 21:22 |
| Sazpaimon | :( | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or call it "good contacts to Nokia" | 21:22 |
| Sazpaimon | that's what I figured | 21:23 |
| merlin1991 | Sazpaimon: there would have been binary patching aswell :D | 21:36 |
| rzr | dpkg-deb: building package `zsh' in `../zsh_5.0.0-2_armel.deb'. | 21:37 |
| rzr | wanna test ? | 21:37 |
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| rzr | ptl, can u try to install zsh ? | 21:51 |
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| pa | is anybody in here interested in having a tool to download contacts from multiple gmail accounts, with support for gmail contact groups? | 22:17 |
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| Sniper_swe | yes:) | 22:19 |
| pa | cool, then i try to package it this we :) | 22:19 |
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| rzr | ptl, http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan ; apt-get install zsh | 22:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: tested and optimised? | 22:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: we need to work on your site, it fkuc my brain when i open it :) | 22:39 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, not yet , i just built | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | with all hash tags | 22:39 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, i put this in my todo's | 22:39 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, i'll rework it once i finish to port debian | 22:40 |
| rzr | time is precious :) | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | port debian | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | pot debian where? | 22:41 |
| rzr | to harmattan | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | what do you mean by that? | 22:41 |
| rzr | i mean rebuild all debian on harmattan base | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | port debian to n9 or what? | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: ithink debian has arm builds btw | 22:41 |
| rzr | i was more or less joking | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: can i request some port btw, i found sources even, but i got stuck with deps | 22:42 |
| rzr | yes sure | 22:42 |
| rzr | please do on the tmo thread | 22:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: what is the name? | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=xmms2&project=home%3AZogG | 22:44 |
| rzr | i see | 22:44 |
| rzr | that one is not the easiest one | 22:44 |
| rzr | have u tried to drop of of its dependencies ? | 22:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: nope | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: actually what i need from there is only lib for c or c++ | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't want whole thing, i just want to try to make client | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i can control PC xmms2 server with phone | 22:48 |
| rzr | what about using mpd instead ? | 22:49 |
| rzr | I had tested a such thing w/ my nas | 22:49 |
| rzr | there is even a qml app to port | 22:49 |
| rzr | it would requiere less efforts for a similar goal | 22:50 |
| rzr | wanna share the job ? | 22:50 |
| rzr | i started something i put aside | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i think there are mpd clients for n( | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9 | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i may try to help | 22:51 |
| rzr | cool | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i still would use xmms2 on my desktop so i would liek to have libs as well | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i started with xmms2 client for n900 and it died | 22:52 |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/jukebox i will update that for you if you care of | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: http://twitpic.com/45mvw1 | 22:53 |
| rzr | looks good | 22:54 |
| rzr | http://code.google.com/p/qmobilempd/issues/detail?id=3&thanks=3&ts=1329070565# | 22:54 |
| rzr | upstream does not care of | 22:54 |
| rzr | let's fork it ? | 22:54 |
| rzr | tell me if you want to spend a couple of hours reviewing finishing my work ? | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: it's just basic one, ruskie uses it, i hope i could upgrade it as i get another n900, i was promised to get one on next Qt meetup in Israel, or i'll get one from MohammadAG if he gets green light and if not i'll buy one from his friend :) | 22:55 |
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| rzr | we're near to http://code.google.com/p/qmobilempd/wiki/ScreenshotsQml | 22:56 |
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| rzr | ZogG_laptop, let me share my patches ... | 22:56 |
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| djszapi_ | I wonder if it was faster to access to the internet from laptop over the mobile through wired link. | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=400&faq=2 | 22:57 |
| djszapi_ | i.e. no joikuspot. | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: ? | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: there is one builtin and few other apps for hotspot, but why? | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: ^ ? | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: pardon? | 22:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: je ne parle pa fraince | 22:59 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, closed source but worth a try | 23:00 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, minia zavout philippe :) | 23:01 |
| ptl | rzr | 23:02 |
| ptl | you DID compile zsh with libcap support? How so? | 23:02 |
| ptl | I tried to do it and libcap would need further and further libraries | 23:02 |
| ptl | like libselinux, libpam0g | 23:02 |
| ptl | so I just took it off compilation options | 23:02 |
| rzr | I ported many of those packages , once i finished gnutls | 23:03 |
| ptl | does the N9 use linux's capabilities? | 23:03 |
| rzr | not really ported | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: lol :) i learned french but don't remember anything | 23:03 |
| rzr | just rebuilt | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: look at this https://repo.codemages.net/ | 23:03 |
| ptl | that's wicked! | 23:03 |
| ptl | :) | 23:03 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, lol i tool courses of russian but I dint learn anything | 23:04 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, great | 23:04 |
| rzr | https://repo.codemages.net/source/xmms2_0.6DrMattDestruction-9.dsc ? | 23:04 |
| rzr | scary name :) | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i actually missed almost all french classes as i hated teacher, but than i took private lessons and was good for school level. but never used it and forgot, as well i always had problems with numbers. i liked the blue bird - teaching book, leuoise blue (no idea how to spell it) | 23:05 |
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| ptl | rzr: your zsh 5.0 build worked perfectly. Thanks for that! | 23:07 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, our russian teacher was cool | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: they name versions liek that :) but it's not latest one, the latest is 0.8 DrO_o | 23:07 |
| rzr | ptl, cool , then no need to merge yours ? | 23:07 |
| rzr | ptl, I added a couple of zsh apps too | 23:08 |
| rzr | ptl, fizsh | 23:08 |
| ptl | rzr: yep, no need. Your deb is better | 23:08 |
| ptl | oh, nice | 23:08 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, l oiseau bleu :) | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: so you still want to port qml mpd? and where is bump? on libs/Qt side or qml itself? | 23:08 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, wait a couple of secs | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: and btw if you told your name - je ma pale Misha | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: going to shower than | 23:09 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, https://build.pub.meego.com/home/my_work | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: is it qtcreator project or sb project btw? as i can just git clone it and apply your patches, as it would be easier with qtcreator for me :) | 23:13 |
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| rzr | ZogG_laptop, it's a svn checkout but i add to mv some dirs | 23:16 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, try to unpack that one and build it w/ your fave tools , you see it is working but the ui is all screwed (symbian qml vs meego ones) | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | so the only problem is UI? | 23:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: btw zogg (at) noicq (dot) org — add me at jabber ☭ | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: sup man | 23:22 |
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| ptl | I've never worked with a build system before, is there a tutorial for the meego build service? | 23:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | ptl: did you work with sb? | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~OBS | 23:24 |
| infobot | rumour has it, obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | ptl: ^ | 23:24 |
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| ptl | ZogG_laptop: no, I do not know what is sb | 23:29 |
| ptl | sandbox? | 23:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | scratchbox | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~sb | 23:30 |
| infobot | i heard sb is nice because there's a shitload of good food, and places to hang out. | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~scratchbox | 23:30 |
| infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ | 23:30 |
| * rzr @jabber.org xmpp | 23:32 | |
| ptl | ah | 23:33 |
| ptl | scratchbox, yes, of course | 23:33 |
| ptl | sorry. | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | ptl: so there is also small howto i did for qtcreator using phako's script, it's on TMO in apps4meego thread. you also can ask me or rzr or anyone here for help :P | 23:34 |
| ptl | I see but I use scratcbox. Is there a tutorial or mini-howto for using the meego build system with it? | 23:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | ptl: i don't use sb, but afaik it's same as for scratchbox, all you need to make dsc and tar.gz and upload them to OBS | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~OBS | 23:36 |
| infobot | i guess obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | ptl: here is wiki ^ | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are links inside for other wikis :P one of them has it all | 23:36 |
| rzr | I mentor u | 23:37 |
| ptl | thanks | 23:38 |
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| Sazpaimon | e-yes, ping | 23:59 |
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