| djszapi___ | you do not understand the difference between current and old? | 00:00 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm trying to build qt4-x11 from the harm sources in scratchbox but it's stuck at doing something with qdoc3 (qemu goes mad), anybody ever managed todo that? | 00:01 |
| djszapi___ | merlin1991: why do you need to build qt from source? | 00:02 |
| pa | ok maybe yes | 00:02 |
| djszapi___ | different config? | 00:02 |
| pa | but then i need a stack of properties | 00:02 |
| djszapi___ | test a pach that can be upstreamed? | 00:02 |
| djszapi___ | pa: ofc you do not.. | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | djszapi___: because I need pr1.2 libmeegotouch which in turn needs pr 1.2 qt which again isn't aviable for scratchbox | 00:03 |
| pa | if i push the pages, then i also have to push their current status | 00:03 |
| djszapi___ | nobody backed up either? | 00:03 |
| djszapi___ | pa: no | 00:03 |
| djszapi___ | you said, you had two pages | 00:04 |
| pa | well ok | 00:04 |
| pa | now i have two | 00:04 |
| pa | what if i would have three | 00:04 |
| djszapi___ | then you will design differently. | 00:04 |
| djszapi___ | do not make premature optimization | 00:04 |
| pa | well in my case i might have three | 00:04 |
| pa | even tho i dont have to push the status every time | 00:04 |
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| djszapi___ | the point is not really how many pages are... | 00:05 |
| djszapi___ | the point is that how big the queued stack can be ... | 00:05 |
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| djszapi___ | but even with a big stack, it is super simple to do with a js array | 00:07 |
| djszapi___ | push and pop | 00:07 |
| heymaster-laptop | how to fit text in QueryDialog ? | 00:07 |
| djszapi___ | could you please rephrase that question ? | 00:07 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: how word wrap text in QML QueryDialog ? | 00:08 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: http://cl.ly/image/2l2c1C172R0W/o << example .. i fingerprint is to lengthy to fit in dialog | 00:09 |
| heymaster-laptop | a* | 00:09 |
| djszapi___ | I do not think you can with the stock component | 00:11 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: can i use HTML ? | 00:12 |
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| pa | ah now i see why MohammadAG was complaining about coderus | 00:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: yes i can insert "<br" :) | 00:13 |
| heymaster-laptop | "<br>" | 00:13 |
| heymaster-laptop | even "<hr>" :) | 00:13 |
| djszapi___ | that is a different thing | 00:14 |
| djszapi___ | than text wrapping feature | 00:14 |
| djszapi___ | as in property | 00:14 |
| djszapi___ | your best bet is the Style property in QueryDialog | 00:14 |
| djszapi___ | platformStyle* | 00:14 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: ok thank you | 00:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-components-symbian/qml-querydialog-members.html | 00:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | don't see it | 00:16 |
| djszapi___ | because it is undocumented | 00:16 |
| djszapi___ | look at the source ... | 00:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | cool :) | 00:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | prive APIs is cool :) | 00:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | private* | 00:16 |
| djszapi___ | no, it is not private | 00:16 |
| djszapi___ | it is totally public | 00:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok :) | 00:17 |
| djszapi___ | but even that, Style does not seem to be able to change the text wrapping | 00:17 |
| djszapi___ | you can always build your own dialog | 00:18 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: yes. I will use <br> | 00:18 |
| djszapi___ | no | 00:18 |
| djszapi___ | qml dialog | 00:18 |
| djszapi___ | not rich-text based dialog | 00:18 |
| djszapi___ | that is a hack IMO | 00:19 |
| djszapi___ | but perhaps even better to patch the stock version, and ask for a merge request or so | 00:19 |
| djszapi___ | and use the pached version. | 00:19 |
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| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: so what to do ? | 00:19 |
| djszapi___ | so it can be useful for everybody in the future, not fully hacked around. =) | 00:19 |
| djszapi___ | patch the code? | 00:20 |
| Venemo | ~seen wazd | 00:20 |
| djszapi___ | I wanted to text wrapping patch long ago | 00:20 |
| djszapi___ | but I was busy with other patches | 00:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: i'm beginner, not hacker | 00:21 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 00:21 |
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| djszapi___ | heymaster-laptop: one does not need to be a hard core hacker to add one property, but go for the hackish way, if you feel more comfortable with that. | 00:26 |
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| djszapi___ | though br will not work properly. | 00:29 |
| djszapi___ | for internationalized and localized strings, so it is a kinda uncool hackaround. | 00:29 |
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| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: yes. Actually i writing app for contest. still don't have anything to show. so don't have time to add new features to core qml :) | 00:34 |
| djszapi___ | what contest? | 00:35 |
| heymaster-laptop | summer contest | 00:35 |
| djszapi___ | for getting a Harmattan device? | 00:36 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: yes | 00:36 |
| * djszapi___ should get one as well | 00:38 | |
| djszapi___ | I presume it is too late to apply for such a stuff? | 00:38 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: why not ? | 00:39 |
| heymaster-laptop | contest ends September 10 | 00:39 |
| djszapi___ | right. well, I do not have any brilliant ideas. :-) | 00:40 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: why you need ? if you already own harmattan device ? :) | 00:41 |
| djszapi___ | because it is broken | 00:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | ech :/ | 00:41 |
| djszapi___ | the glass is pretty scratched. | 00:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | i don't think it's problem :) | 00:42 |
| djszapi___ | well, it is almost a year old device. | 00:42 |
| djszapi___ | well, you can serve me a new one then, and I can send it to you. :) | 00:42 |
| djszapi___ | if it is "not a problem". | 00:42 |
| heymaster-laptop | haha :) you joking .."almost a year old" :) | 00:42 |
| djszapi___ | no, I do not. | 00:42 |
| djszapi___ | it is almost a year old. | 00:43 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: a year is short period of time | 00:45 |
| djszapi___ | you are new in the mobile industry, aren't you | 00:45 |
| pa | heymaster-laptop, what are you making? :) | 00:46 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: you own device. it's not big problem to have that device for one year. bigger problem don't own that device. | 00:47 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: app. but don't have anything to show | 00:47 |
| djszapi___ | I heavily disagree | 00:47 |
| djszapi___ | when you cannot see certain spots of the phone, that is a HUGE problem on a smart phone | 00:48 |
| djszapi___ | total broken user experience for most of the applications, and so forth. | 00:48 |
| pa | well, but i hope you know what kind of app you are going to make :) | 00:48 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi___: ok | 00:48 |
| pa | djszapi___, well doing better than mine, that has been stolen.. | 00:48 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: it's for servers monitoring | 00:49 |
| heymaster-laptop | very tiny app | 00:49 |
| pa | cool | 00:49 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: i will show you if i will have something working | 00:50 |
| djszapi___ | pa: my reference is obviously not stolen phones | 00:50 |
| pa | would be cool.. i also hoped to roll out mine today | 00:50 |
| pa | but it looks its not gonna happen | 00:50 |
| pa | i realized i need to make it a little fancier so that non-nerds will appreciate it :) | 00:51 |
| pa | for me it+s already perfect :p | 00:51 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: big number of participants .. stiff competition | 00:51 |
| heymaster-laptop | :/ | 00:52 |
| pa | big number? | 00:52 |
| pa | are there manyhcompeting? | 00:52 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes | 00:53 |
| pa | cool :) | 00:53 |
| pa | well, do your best, in the worst case you can always sell it | 00:53 |
| pa | and probably get enough money to buy a device :) | 00:53 |
| heymaster-laptop | sell that ? :) | 00:53 |
| heymaster-laptop | you need to win it at first :) | 00:54 |
| pa | i heared you can sell the app on the store, and still participate | 00:55 |
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| djszapi___ | I sold one device I won | 00:56 |
| djszapi___ | to a guy in this channel. | 00:57 |
| djszapi___ | for 300 EUR back then iirc. | 00:57 |
| heymaster-laptop | i don't think it's possible to earn so much money in app store to buy device | 00:57 |
| pa | well | 00:58 |
| pa | if you sell for 1 eur (minimum) | 00:58 |
| pa | maybe you find 300 people needing ur app | 00:58 |
| pa | plus, N9s are now sold pretty cheap | 00:58 |
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| heymaster-laptop | yes | 00:58 |
| javispedro | meh | 01:03 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: how much time you coded your app ? Any screenshots ? | 01:03 |
| pa | i have some screens but i havent had time to make the page yet | 01:03 |
| heymaster-laptop | pa: what uou app doing ? | 01:04 |
| pa | im working on it for about a week, all in all | 01:04 |
| javispedro | I am _again_ being forced to dissasemble one of the GPL components in the PR1.3 image because the source is nowhere to be found :rolleyes: | 01:04 |
| pa | i mean, its more, but mostly on spare time | 01:04 |
| pa | so if you count, itsabout a week | 01:04 |
| javispedro | and yes, I asked for the DVDs, but they were on holiday, or sth... | 01:05 |
| pa | it's an (i like to believe) improvement of sportstracker :) | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | javispedro: any idea when you'll get dvds? | 01:05 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: no, seemingly they are on vacatiosn | 01:06 |
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| merlin1991 | javispedro: btw the dvds are not that helpfull after all, I'm still stuck trying to compile qt4 from the dvd pr1.2 sources :/ | 01:06 |
| djszapi___ | yes, jun-aug is pretty much vacation time in Finland | 01:06 |
| djszapi___ | that is why Finns got crazy when Elop wanted to decrease the one month holiday time | 01:06 |
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| heymaster-laptop | pa: so it's gps app for training ? :) | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, time for a lawsuit. :P | 01:07 |
| pa | and hrm | 01:07 |
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| heymaster-laptop | pa: so good luck :) | 01:08 |
| pa | you too! | 01:09 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: someone will probably do it sooner or later, specially as they get more attached to MS | 01:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, did you back STRATA? | 01:10 |
| javispedro | Just hoping I get the DVDs before postal service on this country gets ruined by gov :) | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: nope, happy with the current design | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I rather prefer the current design, but I want them to make more watches. | 01:11 |
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| javispedro | good point :) | 01:12 |
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| javispedro | I'm surprised that despite the fact that MW has already shipped virtually the same product and has honest specs get less funding than crazy-already-delayed-twice pebble. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It must be the e-ink BS. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still floored by people talking about MetaWatch like they've never shipped a watch. | 01:14 |
| djszapi___ | they did partially. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | I predicted on the meego forums that pebble won't ship a watch until the end of the year. So far I'm a few months nearer my prediction :) | 01:14 |
| djszapi___ | some folks got one (unfortunately I missed the event) at the metawatch meetup. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | djszapi___: we know, both GeneralAntilles and I have one too :) | 01:15 |
| pa | djszapi___, what hr belt do you have? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi___, I've had a MetaWatch since last September. | 01:15 |
| djszapi___ | what is "hr belt" ? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | (javispedro got his first) | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | (that asshole) | 01:15 |
| djszapi___ | so it is not vaporware | 01:15 |
| javispedro | ;) | 01:15 |
| djszapi___ | but yeah, that was it. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | (at least it gave him time to put sowatch together, though. :D) | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi___, http://www.metawatch.org/models/ | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | In fact, STRATA is MetaWatch v3. | 01:16 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: apart from larger battery, more RAM, "different" charging clip, do you remember any other difference? | 01:17 |
| javispedro | and the colors ofc :) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, nope. | 01:17 |
| pa | djszapi___, heart rate belt | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, did you ever interrogate @billg? | 01:17 |
| pa | or.. werent you wanting edomondo for n9? | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, did you see the new color? | 01:17 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: @billg didn't answer, but dave did | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/246712/photo-full.jpg?1344080989 | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Black | 01:18 |
| javispedro | he didn't mention about the charging clip though. I learnt that later. That puts an end to my plans to get a new charging clip :) | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I switched my order from blue. :< | 01:18 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:19 |
| javispedro | meh, now I need to hack on the firmware before aug20th to see if the extra RAM will be useful or not | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, just back the hacker watch with the JTAG | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | MAN UP | 01:20 |
| javispedro | we'll see | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a MetaWatch and a Jolla all I need is a Holga and I'll be the ultimate gadget hipster. | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you keep companies who do things you like doing things you like by giving them money to do things you like. :P | 01:21 |
| djszapi___ | lol | 01:22 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: but I already did :) | 01:23 |
| javispedro | (also, slightly overbudget this year, with MBAir et all :( ) | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. :P | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's the Air? | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you install Quicksilver yet? | 01:24 |
| djszapi___ | oh, I almost forgot the embedded stuff in Barcelona | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | (TextExpander is super-useful, too) | 01:24 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: lil machine is actually fast, I'm surprised by the raw performance of the UltraLowVoltage chips | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Also: PathFinder and Yojimbo) | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they're rather impressive. | 01:25 |
| javispedro | ... gets quite hot though, but that seems to be the case with all apple machines... | 01:26 |
| javispedro | and it already has a few scratches :( | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 01:26 |
| javispedro | therefore, I dislike aluminum :P | 01:27 |
| pa | it's osX that is actually pretty fast | 01:29 |
| pa | i remember from the powerpc times | 01:29 |
| pa | it used to crush linux | 01:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well that was fun | 01:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | tried to get nitdroid to run in a chroot for shits and giggles | 01:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | didn't work, it couldnt load my framebuffer and zygote kept crashing because it capset was giving permission denied | 01:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | cba to look into it more | 01:36 |
| javispedro | you need the android kernel, you know | 01:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i know | 01:37 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | e-yes's nitdroid kernel runs on both harmattan and android you know | 01:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so I guess in theory it could work | 01:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but I dont know enough about android's startup process to be able to fix it | 01:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I couldn't even find where this zygote process was located | 01:40 |
| Hurrian | Sazpaimon_, you'd need to setup all the weird crap Android does | 01:42 |
| Hurrian | it doesn't run too well in a chroot | 01:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah I noticed | 01:43 |
| Sazpaimon_ | like I said I don't know enough or care to know enough about android to bother | 01:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | something tells me that it'd be easier to actually run harmattan from a chroot within android | 01:44 |
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| djszapi___ | gnight to all | 01:51 |
| javispedro | gnite djszapi___ | 01:51 |
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| heymaster-laptop | how to get object from a different QML file ? | 02:33 |
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| pa | that+s also what i was wondering | 02:48 |
| pa | i was trying something like otherpage.someflicker.somebutton.text | 02:48 |
| pa | but it says otherpage.someflicker [undefined] isn not an object | 02:49 |
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| pa | heymaster-laptop, http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/2900 | 02:58 |
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| heymaster-laptop | pa: thanks | 03:06 |
| heymaster-laptop | did that thing in different way | 03:06 |
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| pa | ok | 03:29 |
| pa | :) | 03:29 |
| pa | this way worked for me | 03:29 |
| pa | night | 03:29 |
| heymaste_ | night :) | 03:29 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | has anyone gotten the PR1.3 sources dvd yet? | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sazpaimon_, don't believe so. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro said he's been chasing them down, but as the whole goddamn country goes on vacation in the summer. . . . | 04:37 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | GeneralAntilles, well they got back to me last week | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | said they sent my copy | 05:42 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I assume javispedro got the same thing | 05:43 |
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| susundberg | Hey, i am having troubles with my calendar -- i am using google calendar with CalDav but strangly it stopped to sync. I removed + re-added the account and now i have double entries of those calenders, and when i try to 'managa calendars' it app crashes | 09:18 |
| susundberg | any ideas / manual edit tips? | 09:18 |
| susundberg | other thing that seems not working is the 'gallery' app -- it doesnt show old photos but only the latests taken with camera after reboot | 09:19 |
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| djszapi_ | Venemo_N9: sup | 09:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | morning | 09:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | heading for work | 09:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | we have a planning meeting today | 09:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | djszapi_, how are you? | 09:55 |
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| TheBootroo | hi | 10:59 |
| TheBootroo | i must get number from incoming and outgoing calls on a Nokia N9, using Qt, how should i do ? | 11:00 |
| TheBootroo | i know there are Telepathy DBus api, Qt Cellular maemo api, and other things but i don't which one is the simpler for my use, and i hardly find documentation/examples/how to | 11:00 |
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| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: I know sowatch is accessing this in real-time, so it is certainly possible | 11:06 |
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| khertan | Morning | 12:19 |
| djszapi_ | sup sir dr khertan ! | 12:20 |
| khertan | dr ... hum a bit too much :) | 12:22 |
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| khertan | Someone know if there is a way to read the notification of an n9 ? | 13:26 |
| khertan | i would like to be able to display harmattan notification on a desktop computer | 13:26 |
| khertan | maybe i should look at the meta watch things | 13:29 |
| khertan | they should have done that | 13:29 |
| dm8tbr | khertan: look at sowatch | 13:29 |
| khertan | thx | 13:29 |
| dm8tbr | also I'd use XMPP as the transport, there are desktop clients for XMPP based notifications | 13:30 |
| dm8tbr | for linux I use tavu | 13:30 |
| khertan | hum interesting | 13:30 |
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| merlin1991 | anybody know about libthai and libdatrie? Those 2 are runtime dependencies of qt4, but I can't find any source anywhere, also the description on device is rather funky with the default debhelper <insert a 60 char description here> text | 14:35 |
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| Hurrian | libthai iirc is thai language support library, I guess you can grab whatever your distro provides | 14:40 |
| susundberg | related to question of mine earlier: i got it done with 'remove all calendar accounts ' + mv .calendar .calendar_old and re-add the accounts + sync | 14:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | damn you N9 battery life :< | 15:08 |
| susundberg | I use powesave mode all day long .. | 15:15 |
| susundberg | device idle is still eating my battery .. | 15:15 |
| Arkenoi | same for me | 15:15 |
| Arkenoi | power management is total disaster | 15:15 |
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| Lava_Croft | i stream radio over 2g all day | 15:17 |
| Lava_Croft | not so sure if that will work well with powersave | 15:17 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe i should just cut up my N9 shell | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | and make my own battery door | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | but it sounds as a bad thing to do | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | shell is so pretty | 15:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | niwakame|away: ping | 15:25 |
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| susundberg | Lava_Croft: huh, just attach external USB battery ? | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | susundberg: those are hardly a solution | 15:53 |
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| susundberg | well to me it sounds better than cutting up N9 shell .. | 15:55 |
| Lava_Croft | external usb batteries only supply a little bit of power | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | like the Duracell one orso | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | and they are a bit bigger than a usual phone battery | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | and quite a bit more expensive | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | but yes, its probably the best, non-intrusive solution | 15:56 |
| * djszapi__ has dejavu | 15:57 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: stop flooding all channels i'm on :P | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | /ignore Lava_Croft -channels #1 #2 #4 | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | ;-) | 15:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i didn't say i don't want to talk to you and don't want to read you | 15:59 |
| susundberg | Lava_Croft: well i guess you can craft powerpack of wanted size from wanted brand of cellphone batteries to provide usb-power supply power .. | 16:01 |
| susundberg | i ended up using 4xAA battery back for extra power (with loadable batteries) | 16:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: you can make a wheel with hammsters providing power =) | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | i thought about using bicycle dynamo | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | that will totally work | 16:03 |
| susundberg | i have also seen solar-panel chargers but those are kind of joke with 12h loading time .. | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | i could also just use a transformer and hook it up to a streetlight orso | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | but these arent the 90s anymore | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | these days cops arrest you for that | 16:03 |
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| djszapi__ | cops is overrated | 16:07 |
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| Lava_Croft | they used to be, in NL | 16:12 |
| Lava_Croft | but these days they are getting a bit tougher | 16:12 |
| Lava_Croft | probably 30 years of The Police Is Your Friend indoctrination, people just dont respect the cops anymore | 16:12 |
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| pa | they also tend to just sit and do nothing, too often being "too busy for this" | 16:28 |
| pa | how do i increase the shell history, in busybox' ash? | 16:31 |
| pa | (lines) | 16:31 |
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| jonni | pr1.3 sourcecode dvd arrived to me today :) | 16:40 |
| Corsac | same here | 16:43 |
| Corsac | well, I'm not at home | 16:43 |
| Corsac | but the dvd is | 16:43 |
| Corsac | :) | 16:43 |
| djszapi__ | perhaps, it is a wrong dvd then with manga on it. | 16:44 |
| Corsac | you think Nokia would send me dvds with tentacles? | 16:44 |
| djszapi__ | sure | 16:45 |
| djszapi__ | or they have perhaps sent the Windows source code :-) | 16:45 |
| Corsac | aha | 16:46 |
| Corsac | I'd still be interested | 16:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: can you upload somewhere? | 16:52 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: I'll do it tonight on http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/ | 16:56 |
| Corsac | (if I don't forget, please remind me as i'm leaving tomorrow) | 16:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | thnx | 16:59 |
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| jonni | it was quite funny to see that 1.3 has trunckated filenames to 8.3 chars, someone skills needed to fail like that :) | 17:10 |
| jonni | (dvd) | 17:10 |
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| djszapi__ | unsure what you mean | 17:11 |
| wirwe | hey guys, my N9 was lying in river about a half day. some motorola people tried to dry and clean it now and when they tried to turn it on, there was a nokia logo on the screen but then nothing happened. sounds for me as if there is still a little chance to make it work again. now it doesn't do anything if i try to charge it or power it on. also my computer doesn't recognize it when plugging it in via usb. but i'm so addicted to it, i don't want | 17:12 |
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| jonni | source dir has like QT4_MESS.TGZ files :) | 17:12 |
| pa | is it coz now nokia needs to retain DOS compatibility for windows phone? <g>< | 17:16 |
| djszapi__ | wirwe: your message got truncated | 17:16 |
| wirwe | oh it was too long? | 17:17 |
| djszapi__ | jonni: so what exactly is the problem? | 17:17 |
| wirwe | the problem is that it was completey wet | 17:17 |
| wirwe | now it seems to be dry but doesn't do anything | 17:18 |
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| wirwe | and i am searching for ideas to make it work again | 17:18 |
| djszapi__ | well, if it begins booting after charging, that is something... | 17:18 |
| jonni | djszapi__: there is no problem really, but in pr1.2 dvd it had full names like qt4-messagingframework_2012W09-0maemo4+0m8.tar.gz, and now pr1.3 dvd has max 8.3 characters per file :), just a cosmetic thing | 17:19 |
| wirwe | no it doesn't, it did on friday, but now curiously not | 17:19 |
| wirwe | maybe the accu | 17:19 |
| pa | jonni, sorry to bug you.. do you by chance know anything about this? https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTMOBILITY-1116 | 17:19 |
| wirwe | the rest of my message was: i don't want to give it up. i guess if one of the hardware components doesn't work, it | 17:20 |
| wirwe | doesn't boot or maybe the accu is damaged. does someone has an idea what to do? | 17:20 |
| jonni | pa: dont know anything about that. last time when i tested maps qml api's offline thingie worked just fine, but Im not 100% sure about that. | 17:21 |
| jonni | pa: afaik there is example in sdk or in device. | 17:21 |
| pa | yes theres one example, but it doesnt work offline | 17:21 |
| pa | at least not on my phone | 17:21 |
| djszapi__ | jonni: well, I do not understand your saying then, if there is no problem. : | 17:24 |
| djszapi__ | :) | 17:24 |
| jonni | sometimes I just comment on funny observations, not everything needs to be a problem :) | 17:24 |
| djszapi__ | well, you said to "to fail like that". | 17:25 |
| phako | well it's 2012 | 17:25 |
| djszapi__ | you insulted them and implied that it is a problem | 17:25 |
| djszapi__ | meanwhile, there are really no problems. :-) | 17:25 |
| djszapi__ | it is just the matter of style. | 17:25 |
| phako | it's like people who still fail to get UTF-8 properly | 17:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | phako: i think you shouldn't set it or do anything with it, it should just be there by default =) | 17:34 |
| PaulePanter | Regarding wirwe’s question, is there a way to know if something is going on during startup before any lights light up? | 17:40 |
| PaulePanter | Or is the only possibility, if there is no power light, that it is broken? | 17:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | what lights | 17:41 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: The LED(?) light on the bottom left? | 17:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | it is used only when powering on or charging in LPM on pr1.4 | 17:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | 1.3* | 17:43 |
| jonni | you can turn on developer mode, that way it blinks the camera led on activity. And ofcourse serial console is very helpfull on debugging (but unfortunately that hardware is not avail to normal end users). | 17:43 |
| PaulePanter | That would have been my next question, if there is some kind of serial console. | 17:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can check it wiht led not app | 17:44 |
| PaulePanter | The USB port cannot be used to get debugging messages (from uboot(?))? | 17:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | but u need inception | 17:44 |
| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: Sorry, I did not get the last two sentences. | 17:45 |
| jonni | PaulePanter: your out of luck if your normal end user. If you happen to know someone inside nokia or nokia care, they have better tools to access serial console. | 17:45 |
| PaulePanter | Too bad. | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | PaulePanter: you want to check LED? | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can use Led notification via system-ui | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it requires inception | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | check MohammadAG's thread named unrestricted-system-ui | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | on TMO | 17:48 |
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| PaulePanter | ZogG_laptop: I think, wirwe wants to check if the N9 works at all after drying it since it was lying in a dirty water beforehand. | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | щр | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | didn't get it | 17:52 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | [10:19] <jonni> djszapi__: there is no problem really, but in pr1.2 dvd it had full names like qt4-messagingframework_2012W09-0maemo4+0m8.tar.gz, and now pr1.3 dvd has max 8.3 characters per file :), just a cosmetic thing | 18:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that'd make it difficult for anyone making a repository from those sources | 18:17 |
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| danielcbit | Hi everybody. Does some one know If I can create a NAP with wifi ad-hoc using qnetworkconfiguration? | 18:20 |
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| djszapi_ | Sazpaimon_: why? | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | also, why would anyone on the earth would like to make a repository out of those sources when there already working repositories out ther ?!? | 18:50 |
| djszapi_ | that would be utterly stupid. | 18:52 |
| jonni | for making signed PR1.3 repo. | 18:52 |
| djszapi_ | why ?!? | 18:53 |
| jonni | as 3rd parties dont have access to signed internal repo | 18:53 |
| djszapi_ | I *really* do not see what gain would that have with reasonable effort | 18:53 |
| RST38h | he has no understanding that people outside Nokia (where he worked) are in different situation than himself | 18:53 |
| djszapi_ | so no artificial theoritical problems, but really useful working practice. | 18:54 |
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| djszapi__ | "not to mention, ofc it is possible to make a repository out of that, but this is really out of the practice anyway, so I fail to see the problem." -> not sure if this got in. | 19:01 |
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| pa | does anybody here own a bluetooth HR belt that is not Polar? | 19:22 |
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| macmaN | hey guys, how do i get info on harmattan how much the battery has lost its original capacity | 20:18 |
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| thp | macmaN: you could probably look in sysfs for its current capacity? | 20:21 |
| macmaN | hmmm, gonna go poke around sysfs, indeed | 20:22 |
| thp | macmaN: the other place i'd look for if you can't find anything in sysfs is QmBattery: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qmsystem2/classMeeGo_1_1QmBattery.html | 20:24 |
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| djszapi_ | sysfs should be properly documented for power supply / batter in the Documenation folder of the Linux tree. | 20:27 |
| djszapi_ | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/power | 20:28 |
| macmaN | well my laptop has /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 | 20:28 |
| macmaN | n9 really doesnt | 20:28 |
| macmaN | find -name charge_full == fail | 20:29 |
| djszapi_ | can be under proc as well | 20:29 |
| macmaN | my google-fu, sys-fu and proc-fu are all failing to find the right place | 20:33 |
| djszapi_ | read the kernel documentation then | 20:35 |
| djszapi_ | or check what the high-level interface does underneath. | 20:37 |
| macmaN | went through it. it doesnt seem like the device driver follows a very standard approach | 20:40 |
| macmaN | exposing this info | 20:40 |
| djszapi_ | well, the high-level layer gets this information somehow... | 20:41 |
| macmaN | agreed | 20:42 |
| macmaN | need food before further research activity | 20:42 |
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| djszapi_ | yeah, I have also just taken some. :) | 20:50 |
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| merlin1991 | apt-get install -d libthai --reinstall --> Reinstallation of libthai is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 22:00 |
| merlin1991 | WHY? | 22:00 |
| x29a | out of space? offline? wrong permissions? | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | online, space is there, running as root | 22:02 |
| merlin1991 | also it's a runtime dependency of libqt4 which I cannot find ANYWHERE | 22:03 |
| merlin1991 | well sure there are the libthai files on the device, but the .deb or the source of it is MIA | 22:03 |
| * merlin1991 smells GPL VIOLATIONS | 22:04 | |
| djszapi__ | ?? | 22:05 |
| merlin1991 | djszapi__: because there is a libthai on the net (which is GPL) which happens to have the same version as the package in harmattan, and the libthai sources are not in any of the harmattan dvds I could get a hold of | 22:06 |
| djszapi__ | ask for the source | 22:06 |
| merlin1991 | I will though that's going to take some time :/ | 22:07 |
| merlin1991 | btw it's exactly the same thing with libdatrie | 22:07 |
| merlin1991 | and this is the dpkg status about libthai: http://paste.debian.net/182437/ noticve the <insert $something here> texts | 22:08 |
| djszapi__ | so ask for the source of libdatrie | 22:08 |
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| Corsac | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ | 22:33 |
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| djszapi__ | can you please put this onto the wikipage? | 22:34 |
| Corsac | which one? | 22:34 |
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| djszapi__ | essentially any that can be approached from the main page. | 22:35 |
| djszapi__ | or since it is just an url, even somewhere on the landing page. | 22:36 |
| djszapi__ | provided of course, it is gonna remain there. | 22:36 |
| Corsac | I can't really guarantee the stability, it's on my home server so there can be outages | 22:39 |
| Corsac | and I can move the data around | 22:39 |
| Corsac | I can keep the data there, but the url might not be that stable (although I didn't change it since pr1.0 I think) | 22:40 |
| Corsac | at the very least if I move it I can provide a redirect | 22:40 |
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| Corsac | rah, fenix really pisses me off | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://5601-blogs-nvidia-com.voxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/NajmTek-UBook-showing-Greek-keyboard.jpg | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 22:55 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there a nice world clock for n9? | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: you mean app showing time? | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok brb | 23:12 |
| Corsac | in different timezones, yeah | 23:12 |
| njsf | Yes WorldClock is nice :) | 23:13 |
| njsf | the free one from the Ovi story by Nokia itself | 23:15 |
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| Venemo | did you guys know it's the birthday of MohammadAG today? :) | 23:16 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: happy birthday! :) | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | Corsac: did you get a dvd? | 23:20 |
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| alterego | What daemon provides /org/maemo/Playback/Manager ? | 23:41 |
| Corsac | merlin1991: yes | 23:41 |
| merlin1991 | Corsac: do you have a complete iso / image of the dvd on your webhost aswell? | 23:42 |
| Corsac | nop | 23:43 |
| Corsac | I could do it but I have no time right now, and won't have it before 3 weeks | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: really? | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i talked to him and didn't say anything | 23:44 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: according to his facebook profile anyway | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | today is as 6th or 7th? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | 6th | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i don't have you or MohammadAG there | 23:44 |
| Venemo | but he may have lied on facebook. who knows? | 23:45 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: feel free to add me :) | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | timur right? | 23:45 |
| Venemo | https://www.facebook.com/Venemo :P | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | Corsac: well, if you find the time, I'd be interested in such an image | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: btw link me your speech | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | from summit | 23:46 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm not sure if it's uploaded yet | 23:47 |
| Corsac | merlin1991: I will, in 3 weeks (if you remind me) | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: upload and link me :P | 23:47 |
| Venemo | I don't have the full talk. | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i don't see mohammad in your friends or he uses fake name? | 23:48 |
| Venemo | but it's about an ECMS, not about mobile dev. not sure if that's interesting for you | 23:48 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: look more closely | 23:48 |
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| Khertan_n950 | thp, ping | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: entered you friends and made search for his name, how closer it can be? =) | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | found | 23:50 |
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