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| robertjw | This is so basic, what am I doing wrong: | 00:00 |
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| robertjw | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nick.list | 00:00 |
| robertjw | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free | 00:00 |
| robertjw | apt-get install ruby | 00:00 |
| robertjw | E: Couldn't find package ruby | 00:01 |
| jabis | apt-get update after adding the new repo, of course | 00:01 |
| robertjw | of course | 00:02 |
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| jabis | apt-cache search ruby after teh update | 00:02 |
| robertjw | bingo | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | it is not called ruby | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | it is called ruby1.8 | 00:04 |
| robertjw | right, it installed just fine along with irb. Now I'm happy. | 00:05 |
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| jabis | that's why searching the cache is useful | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | well, or checking the website | 00:06 |
| djszapi_ | I have done the latter due to no hardware available :) | 00:06 |
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| jabis | faster to check from apt-cache, when you're already hacking away :) | 00:06 |
| robertjw | ahhh, it feels so much better now, with familiar tools at my fingertips. Thanks guys. | 00:07 |
| pa | is it possible to make something happen once one enters a value in a textfield? | 00:07 |
| pa | like with Keys.onEnterPressed? | 00:07 |
| djszapi_ | enter pressed ? | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | you are having a weird ui design :D | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-sipattributes.html?tab=1 -> but here you go anyway | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | oh, sorry, this is a wrong page. | 00:09 |
| qwazix | pa you mean onchange? | 00:09 |
| jabis | http://www.richelbilderbeek.nl/CppQtOnKeyPress.htm | 00:10 |
| jabis | first hit on google x) | 00:10 |
| pa | what i want is that when i enter a value on the text field, the value is stored somewhere | 00:11 |
| pa | instead of needing a button "save options" | 00:11 |
| pa | or something like that | 00:11 |
| jabis | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qq/qq11-events.html more on events | 00:12 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: well, that is quite a bad usability | 00:12 |
| djszapi_ | from what I can say. | 00:12 |
| pa | djszapi_, well, how would you do that? | 00:12 |
| pa | spinboxes are not available in qml | 00:13 |
| ieatlint | pa: to actually answer your question, take a look at the onFocusChanged and onTextChanged signals | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | Keys.onTabPressed: if (tabTarget) tabTarget.focus = true; | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | Keys.onBacktabPressed: if (backtabTarget) backtabTarget.focus = true; | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | but I have done such things earlier. | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps there is a return version | 00:13 |
| pa | ah, onTextChanged sounds like it might be that | 00:13 |
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| ieatlint | that will trigger any time a char is added/removed, not when a user finishes | 00:13 |
| pa | ah | 00:13 |
| pa | no good | 00:14 |
| ieatlint | (well, not exclusively when they finish anyway) | 00:14 |
| djszapi_ | why not just Keys.onXXXPressed: like I said above? | 00:14 |
| pa | yes, i have onEnterPressed() now | 00:14 |
| pa | so you say thats the right way to go | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | I would hope for that... | 00:15 |
| ieatlint | you typically don't want any big change to automatically happen when a user enters text but doesn't press a button or the enter key | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | the two links above are a bit out of the context | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | pa: check if you can constrain that to the relevant textedit component | 00:16 |
| djszapi_ | I constrained that to my whole page in my fremantle player. | 00:16 |
| djszapi_ | pa: but I do not still see why enter is preferred for a user in comparison with a nifty button. | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | on touch phones. | 00:18 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps, you can do both, but I would complain as a user, I need to be hackish. | 00:18 |
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| pa | phew.. settings page in place | 00:22 |
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| pa | it takes ages | 00:22 |
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| pa | ah | 00:22 |
| pa | thats what i wanted to ask | 00:22 |
| pa | let suppose i want to dim the brightness of everything in my page | 00:23 |
| pa | like text and images | 00:23 |
| admiral0 | hello people | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | hello person | 00:23 |
| pa | is it a viable option to have a black full screen rectangle semi transparent on top of everything? | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | pa why would you? | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | why not just opacity per stuff? | 00:24 |
| pa | coz it's faster? | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | show me the benchmark, please. | 00:24 |
| pa | i mean, faster to code | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | which proves that. | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | but hackish. | 00:24 |
| pa | and by the way, would it help consuming less battery? | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | so as for me, it is a complete horror and no go. | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | qml is hackish by nature :P | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | and he is right about that, individually compisiting several things with reduced opacity is less efficient | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | compositing | 00:25 |
| admiral0 | djszapi_: <3 | 00:25 |
| admiral0 | missed you | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: huh? | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | you are joking right? | 00:26 |
| pa | let say i have my text "white", and i am already at lowest brightness level for the screen, if i dim the white further , by changing color, would it help decreasing battery consumptuon? | 00:26 |
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| djszapi_ | since it is all managed by opengl context on Harmattan, you actually produce way more than needed. | 00:26 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: do you really think doing more than needed will produce less battery consumption? | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | well, if your app is full of texts and only images, then perhaps the same, otherwise most likely not IMO. | 00:27 |
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| ieatlint | opacity is handled by opengl? my understanding was that it was all just raster | 00:28 |
| pa | djszapi_, i plan to have screen always on | 00:28 |
| pa | i want to have a sportstracker that can be used to monitor the training | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: even raster needs rendering | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | pa: ah, you are that guy ... | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | who was mentioning this few days ago. :) | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but the opacity is done via software | 00:29 |
| pa | "that guy?" | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | so software does not need rendering ? :) | 00:29 |
| pa | yes | 00:29 |
| pa | i almost done | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | pixel by pixel ? | 00:29 |
| pa | im* | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | so more pixels is more work? :) | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | pa: what do you mean by screen always on? | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | heh, calculating the opacity of 10 different objects is more clostly methinks | 00:30 |
| pa | i mean that i want a monitoring screen showing real time hrm and gps speed and stuff | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | can you prove that with a benchmark? | 00:30 |
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| ieatlint | that's a circular argument | 00:30 |
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| pa | like if you would have this on the standby screen | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: exactly, the point, so until the need arises, doing nicely is better | 00:31 |
| pa | anyway, the rectangle works | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | but IMO, it is even faster, even if this argument is "circular". | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | pa: no it does not | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | unless you only have texts and images, and nothing else | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: the rectangle is simpler than going through all the elements and setting their opacity, or storing a central property that all the elements bind to | 00:32 |
| pa | djszapi_, i also have switches, but they are dimmed too | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: disagree | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | the rectangle part also allows more interesting transitions | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | if only texts and images are needed to behave like that, it is actually even incorrect | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | if there are other elements | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | and the requirement was not that "I would like to do for the whole screen" | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | "I would like to do for texts and images". | 00:33 |
| pa | djszapi_, i would like to do it for everything on the screen that is not black | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | transition ... premature optimization :D | 00:33 |
| pa | (already) | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | bah, why am i arguing on irc on a sunday when instead i can go argue with people in real life | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: because you are weak :p | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | aww :) | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | thanks | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | pa: well, it looks simple to me | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | if everything, rectangular, if not, not. | 00:34 |
| heymaster | best way to call cpp method and return error dialog if there's error | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | but i'm also an american, so i probably have a gun i can go grasp and tell myself i could do something | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | this reminds me that I would not like to go to the GSoC stuff in America :D | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | come now, you too can get a gun if you come here | 00:36 |
| djszapi_ | water gun because you are about to go to the beach, right ? :D | 00:36 |
| admiral0 | btw | 00:36 |
| admiral0 | i'm almost on a beach, and extremely drunk | 00:36 |
| admiral0 | :D | 00:36 |
| ieatlint | i think admiral0 wins this sunday | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | well, it is not Sunday in Finland for instance xD | 00:37 |
| admiral0 | i will be like this all week | 00:37 |
| admiral0 | :D | 00:37 |
| admiral0 | prøblem? | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | so it is unfair to finns :p | 00:37 |
| admiral0 | 23 mins and it's monday for me too :> | 00:37 |
| ieatlint | i think some finns might be having a bad week | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | hah, well, it's only 2:38pm here | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | by 11:38pm, i too will be quite drunk | 00:38 |
| admiral0 | ieatlint: i know i know | 00:38 |
| admiral0 | when i met you on IRC you were quite drunk | 00:39 |
| ieatlint | sounds about right | 00:39 |
| admiral0 | djszapi_: where are you atm? | 00:40 |
| admiral0 | ieatlint: u.u | 00:40 |
| djszapi_ | admiral0: not sure :D | 00:40 |
| admiral0 | ahahah | 00:40 |
| admiral0 | djszapi_: stop being quantic | 00:40 |
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| robertjw | do we have sources for /bin/develsh or is that closed? and is there any reason not to set the default root shell to /bin develsh? | 00:41 |
| rashm2k | hey guys | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | robertjw: yep | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | we do have | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | apt-get source ... | 00:42 |
| rashm2k | in PR1.2 we could install examples which showed various QML/QT elements in use, I can't install it anymore | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/d/develsh/ -> here you can see | 00:42 |
| rashm2k | any ideas where I can grab this from? | 00:42 |
| admiral0 | djszapi_: nokia should release sources for the UX | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | robertjw: well, yes many | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | robertjw: develsh should be used only developer mode | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | ash is the default shell iirc | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | rashm2k: please stop using QT | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | it is Qt* :) | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint will prepare the guns for this statement of mine ;) | 00:43 |
| rashm2k | okay i'll use qt | 00:43 |
| rashm2k | no need for caps ;-) | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | admiral0: who cares about nokia :) | 00:44 |
| admiral0 | bwahaha | 00:44 |
| admiral0 | djszapi_: are you in jollamobile? | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | no, I dislike that | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | (sincerely) | 00:44 |
| admiral0 | ?! | 00:44 |
| admiral0 | dafuq | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | rashm2k: what examples exactly? | 00:44 |
| rashm2k | There were installed via the developer options in the Nokia N9, I can't remember exactly. | 00:45 |
| rashm2k | but it was just showing different qml widgets | 00:45 |
| rashm2k | like buttons, listviews etc. | 00:46 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi_: i have better intolerances to kill people for than your apathy about nokia | 00:46 |
| ieatlint | like batman fans or something | 00:46 |
| rashm2k | abit like this:http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/App_basic_view.html | 00:47 |
| rashm2k | but on your Nokia N9 | 00:47 |
| admiral0 | ieatlint: lol | 00:47 |
| admiral0 | ieatlint: dude, where are you from, you sound finn | 00:47 |
| pa | hmm.. | 00:48 |
| ieatlint | california | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | rashm2k: you can always check the widget gallery out | 00:48 |
| pa | i have a slider in one page that has to change the property of the rectangle in another page | 00:48 |
| pa | i guess i cant directly address the rectangle id.opacity, right? | 00:48 |
| rashm2k | link please? | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | pa: yes, you can | 00:48 |
| pa | at least it doesnt work | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | you just need to instantiate the pages in the main.qml | 00:49 |
| djszapi_ | and then you can refer to items that way. | 00:49 |
| pa | hm.. but i do and it doesnt work.. or do i have to go pageid.itemid.opacity? | 00:49 |
| pa | ah wait | 00:50 |
| djszapi_ | yes of course | 00:50 |
| djszapi_ | qml will not know automagically which page you would like to use ... | 00:50 |
| pa | mh.. bad design.. i call all the pages "top" :) | 00:50 |
| pa | good to know for the next time :p | 00:50 |
| djszapi_ | yeah, just call them bottom | 00:50 |
| djszapi_ | that will fix it :-D :-D | 00:51 |
| rashm2k | ahh source code is here: | 00:51 |
| rashm2k | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/trees/master/examples/meego | 00:51 |
| pa | good that refactoring works :) | 00:52 |
| djszapi_ | and here you can find the mtf examples: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/libm/libmeegotouch/ | 00:52 |
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| pa | hm | 00:53 |
| pa | now i get: | 00:53 |
| pa | qrc:/qml/meeTrainer/SettingsPage.qml:472: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: monitorPage | 00:53 |
| pa | maybe i dont instantiate it in main.qml | 00:53 |
| pa | let see | 00:53 |
| pa | ah, its called differently | 00:54 |
| pa | and no, the id didnt matter :) | 00:54 |
| pa | now i recall | 00:54 |
| rashm2k | Thanks! | 00:54 |
| djszapi_ | the id does matter | 00:54 |
| pa | yes, but i change it in main.qml | 00:55 |
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| rashm2k | source code for that link? | 00:56 |
| djszapi_ | change it in main.qml ? | 00:56 |
| djszapi_ | what does that mean? | 00:56 |
| djszapi_ | id should be specified there. | 00:56 |
| djszapi_ | it is not changing, it is assigning. | 00:56 |
| djszapi_ | rashm2k: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/demos/widgetsgallery | 00:58 |
| djszapi_ | but it is not QML, it is C++: MTF: | 00:58 |
| djszapi_ | MTF.* | 00:58 |
| djszapi_ | as for the qt components (qml), check out the demos and examples folder for meego: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/trees/master | 00:59 |
| rashm2k | thats it | 00:59 |
| rashm2k | the link above is what I want | 00:59 |
| rashm2k | examples/meego/ | 00:59 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: still there? | 01:05 |
| pa | shit i wanted to finish the app today, but it will take me one more evening i m afraid | 01:06 |
| pa | still have to add the recording | 01:06 |
| djszapi_ | you do not need to rush | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | yes | 01:06 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: draft, but anyway: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/525044/ | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | looks fine... | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | i've been told that rim is handing out devices to devs a lot | 01:09 |
| ieatlint | good luck :) | 01:09 |
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| djszapi_ | yep, but I have been told today the dev alpha phone is a kinda crap | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | so the playbook might be a better target | 01:09 |
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| djszapi_ | though, they have also said that, once the qt phone is out, they provide a brand new hardware with the released software to the developers owning now a dev alpha version. | 01:10 |
| ieatlint | meh, i'm still convinced the future is with tizen | 01:11 |
| djszapi_ | and with guns | 01:12 |
| djszapi_ | and with bloody smells, plus cannibal corpses | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | not sure about that second part about smelling blood and zombies | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | although the CDC, a gov agency, did release a statement insisting the zombie apocalypse wasn't happening after a few notable cases of canabilism | 01:14 |
| djszapi_ | interesting | 01:14 |
| djszapi_ | btw, someone told me that today, the labor union was eliminated in the US. Is that even true? | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | uh, no, it's not | 01:15 |
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| ieatlint | the only thing he could possibly be referring to is a thing in wisconsin that happened a while ago | 01:16 |
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| pa | would someone be crazy if wanting to go to work in IT in the usa? | 01:50 |
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| njsf | pa: depends on the company and specific IT area | 03:08 |
| njsf | djszapi_: unions, specifically teachers, utility (ie gas, electric, phone), truckers and steel/auto workers are still strong, but getting weaker and weaker | 03:10 |
| njsf | other professions are mostly non unionized | 03:10 |
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| beford | hi | 04:28 |
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| djszapi_ | beford: sup | 05:28 |
| djszapi_ | njsf: ??? | 05:29 |
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| njsf | djszapi_: "btw, someone told me that today, the labor union was eliminated in the US. Is that even true?" | 05:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_ njsf: 'the labor union'? which one? | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a huge number of them and as far as i know, they're still around, and have been for a looooong time | 06:26 |
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| njsf | djszapi_: I don't know, it was YOUR question | 06:27 |
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| njsf | oh sorry that was itsnotabigtruck | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:28 |
| njsf | but I just assumed djszapi_ meant general labor unions | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i figured i'd just list both of you | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, it doesn't really matter to programmers since professionals aren't normally part of unions | 06:28 |
| djszapi_ | well, they are | 06:41 |
| djszapi_ | in Finland | 06:41 |
| djszapi_ | beford: I wonder if I still have shell access to the Mac. | 06:41 |
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| beford | hi | 06:42 |
| beford | no you dont | 06:42 |
| beford | i swapped the hdd for a sdd | 06:42 |
| beford | :P | 06:42 |
| beford | reinstalled the whole thing | 06:42 |
| djszapi_ | k | 06:43 |
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| * djszapi_ should really finish the command line parser for qt5 | 06:49 | |
| * djszapi_ should really finish tons of projects | 06:53 | |
| djszapi_ | so we may need to pay 100 EUR for a jolla mobile developer device? Ridiculous. | 07:00 |
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| robertjw | Looking for "screen". It doesn't seem to be in any of the repos. | 07:57 |
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| Elleo | robertjw: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/debian/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ <-- this has a build of tmux | 08:10 |
| Elleo | robertjw: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/djszapi/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/armel/ <-- screen | 08:11 |
| robertjw | excellent, thanks | 08:18 |
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| djszapi_ | robertjw: yep, I packaged screen back then | 09:25 |
| djszapi_ | though, please do not ever use my repository | 09:25 |
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| djszapi_ | use the community repository | 09:25 |
| djszapi_ | so that link above is broken | 09:25 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: why did you remove screen from the community repository? | 09:28 |
| djszapi_ | I have added that a long ago. Please fix this, and the screen application back. | 09:29 |
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| Venemo_N9 | morning | 09:51 |
| djszapi_ | sup | 09:53 |
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| Lava_Croft | WEEEHHOOOO | 13:42 |
| Lava_Croft | it took me about 6 phonecalls | 13:42 |
| Lava_Croft | and 1.5hours of paying Nokia Care | 13:43 |
| Lava_Croft | but i fucking finally know what they did to my n9 | 13:43 |
| Lava_Croft | they replaced it with another one | 13:43 |
| * Lava_Croft wipes his forehead | 13:43 | |
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| Lava_Croft | Nokia should stop hiring arabs that are hard to understand | 13:43 |
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| pa | :D | 13:48 |
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| pa | ok please | 14:03 |
| pa | someone help me.. how the hell do i get rid of the "download failed" problem? | 14:03 |
| pa | it seems that, if for whatever reason a package fails to download once | 14:03 |
| pa | then no matter what, it wont download again | 14:04 |
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| Hurrian | anyone else think tactile feedback on N9 is the best system you've ever used? | 14:19 |
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| pa | its nice yes :) it would be even better if it would work with audio feed back too | 14:41 |
| pa | but on my phone there are someinterferences | 14:42 |
| Lava_Croft | pa: maybe the downloaded file is still somewhere | 14:44 |
| Lava_Croft | and it keeps trying to use it | 14:44 |
| pa | Lava_Croft, i removed everything in var cache apt archives partial | 14:44 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 14:44 |
| pa | still it doesnt work | 14:44 |
| Lava_Croft | reboot? i have no idea | 14:45 |
| pa | tried :) | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | reboot always sounds like a good idea! :) | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | hah! | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | you are downloading via ovi orso? | 14:45 |
| pa | hm.. store | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | Ovi Store | 14:45 |
| pa | is that the same? | 14:45 |
| pa | yes | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | Nokia Store whatever | 14:46 |
| Lava_Croft | i have no idea where it keeps Ovi downloads | 14:46 |
| Lava_Croft | or partial downloads | 14:46 |
| pa | the partial failed ones were in cache/apt/archives/partial | 14:46 |
| pa | they are called *.FAILED | 14:46 |
| Lava_Croft | my N9 is still at Nokia Care, so i cant check | 14:47 |
| Lava_Croft | well, my N9 isnt, but the one they replaced it with is :) | 14:47 |
| jonni | and it depends what application your are trying to download, there are some which are currently known to fail everytime | 14:47 |
| pa | so | 14:47 |
| pa | opera | 14:47 |
| pa | and q to-do | 14:47 |
| Lava_Croft | opera should work | 14:47 |
| pa | opera is an update | 14:47 |
| pa | (in my case) | 14:48 |
| jonni | like firefox and opera usually fail to download from ovi store, because of version number conflict | 14:48 |
| Lava_Croft | tried removing opera altogether? | 14:48 |
| Lava_Croft | and installing clean from ovi | 14:48 |
| pa | i could try to remove opera | 14:48 |
| Lava_Croft | i know that updating via OVI likes to fail | 14:48 |
| jonni | removing will not help, you can only download them from web browser /download url | 14:48 |
| Lava_Croft | because ovi is just bad | 14:48 |
| Lava_Croft | o | 14:48 |
| jonni | its because some regions download link gives missmatch version of deb package to store client, which gives you download error message (as it doesnt know how to say "version missmatch". | 14:50 |
| jonni | you can download it from commandline cli, but as that is undocumented feature, the official kludge around it is to download the deb with your pc:s web browser /download url.) | 14:51 |
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| Lava_Croft | jesus | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | what a fiasco | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | symbian team built ovi? | 14:53 |
| pa | i see | 14:55 |
| pa | jonni, and how do i do that from commandline? | 14:56 |
| pa | i mean, i dont even know which one is the ovi store commandline client | 14:56 |
| jonni | pa: sorry that one is not public information afaik :=) | 14:56 |
| pa | i see | 14:56 |
| pa | so im stuck not being able to update opera or installing q todo | 14:57 |
| jonni | but its in the default firmware if you know where to look :) | 14:57 |
| pa | hm well i dont :) im a newbie, im playing around with smartphones only since april :) | 14:57 |
| pa | ok maybe i see it | 14:58 |
| pa | no, thats the gui version | 14:59 |
| jonni | just use pc webbrowser, and open store.ovi.com/content/269986/download and store.ovi.com/content/255196/download it will give you the deb packages | 15:00 |
| pa | ah thanks! | 15:00 |
| pa | thats how u made ur little script :) | 15:02 |
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| mf2hd | so, how to install dyndns client in n9? | 16:09 |
| jonni | mf2hd: same way as any linux system? | 16:09 |
| mf2hd | so there is no ready package? | 16:10 |
| pa | i'd stop using dyndns due to their ugly polithics | 16:12 |
| pa | they killed all my domains, coz those domains are not free anymore | 16:12 |
| mf2hd | well, i did not mean especially dyndns | 16:12 |
| mf2hd | whatever dynamic dns service would be fine | 16:12 |
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| jonni | mf2hd: for example inadyn compiles just fine for N9, and it supports dyndns, afraid.org, zoneedit.com and no-ip.com | 16:18 |
| mf2hd | k. ty. there is no ready .deb to n9? | 16:18 |
| jonni | most likely no, I compiled it just for myself and didnt release any deb. But ofcourse you can just google around, if its in community repo. | 16:20 |
| mf2hd | well, i'm not capable of compiling at the moment because crosscompiling is not in my skill list yet and installing build essentials directly to phone is atm broken i think. so it's a no go... | 16:25 |
| mf2hd | but it would be very helpfull if there is some quick and dirty scratchbox compiling howto for harmattan | 16:26 |
| jonni | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html | 16:28 |
| mf2hd | thx again... | 16:29 |
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| phako | hrm | 16:52 |
| phako | malfed my phone | 16:53 |
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| jonni | phako: heh, what were you trying to do? | 16:54 |
| phako | stracing sth and wrote strace -o /usr/bin/tracker-extract | 16:55 |
| phako | and i crashed mz laptop#s usb | 16:56 |
| jonni | ah yes, /usr/bin is immutable dir if you write there it malfs the device. | 16:57 |
| jonni | you should have used /tmp or /opt | 16:58 |
| pa | any advice for a free web hosting? | 17:01 |
| pa | (if any adviceable) | 17:01 |
| jonni | advice is to get a paid one :-) | 17:02 |
| pa | :) | 17:02 |
| pa | thing is, i dont want to open my geofiltering to the world | 17:02 |
| pa | so i cant do it at home | 17:02 |
| jonni | free, slow, full of advertizements vs paid, fast without ads. | 17:02 |
| pa | i mostly need it to put on the webpage for the apps | 17:03 |
| pa | and maybe my cv too | 17:03 |
| pa | altervista seems to work | 17:03 |
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| jonni | pa: might work, untill your cv page has pr0n ads next to it :) | 17:06 |
| pa | it seems that altervista does not add ads | 17:07 |
| pa | at least on the page i made | 17:07 |
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| phako | hrm | 17:08 |
| phako | could it just stay up like 6 seconds longer so I could reinstall tracker, please | 17:09 |
| jonni | phako: have you tested the no-lifeguard-reset option? | 17:11 |
| phako | hah! | 17:12 |
| phako | works | 17:12 |
| phako | unmalfed \o/ | 17:12 |
| phako | jonni: I managed to download the pagage in one power-cycle and install it on the next | 17:12 |
| jonni | heh | 17:12 |
| phako | aaaaand my JPEG extraction issue is fixed \o/ | 17:13 |
| phako | awsome | 17:13 |
| pa | do you guys know how to visualize all the IPs associated to a domain name? | 17:13 |
| pa | dig? | 17:13 |
| ArkanoiD_ | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537720 what a crap | 17:13 |
| phako | no, still doesn't work | 17:17 |
| phako | does anyone know if strace changes some creds ? | 17:17 |
| phako | JPEG extraction works when run inside strace and doesn't when without :-/ | 17:18 |
| phako | as root | 17:18 |
| jonni | thats your problem most likely, tracker should never be runned as root, if you run it as root, it most likely writes files in root permissions and system stops working, as all tracker processes are runned as user | 17:21 |
| phako | jonni: that doesn't write files | 17:21 |
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| phako | jonni: and it was broken before I ever ran it as root ;) | 17:22 |
| jonni | what are you trying to do exactly and what doesnt work? | 17:22 |
| phako | pictures taken by the camera are missing ALL metadata information since PR1.3 | 17:22 |
| phako | and the reason seems to be that tracker-extract can't find a proper extractor | 17:22 |
| phako | /usr/lib/tracker-extract -f /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/<any-jpeg> | 17:23 |
| phako | doesn't work as user | 17:23 |
| phako | doesn't work as root | 17:23 |
| phako | works when run as strace -o /dev/null /usr/lib/tracker-extract -f /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/<any-jpeg> as root | 17:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol just found out that <esc><esc><esc> works like <tab><tab> to autocompete | 17:23 |
| jonni | by default firmware doesnt have tracker-extrack binary in system | 17:23 |
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| phako | jonni: yes, it has, it's in /usr/lib | 17:24 |
| phako | er | 17:24 |
| phako | /usr/lib/tracker sorry | 17:24 |
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| phako | and the problem isn't on every phone | 17:25 |
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| jonni | that works as user just fine, so most likely you have broken it by running it as root | 17:26 |
| phako | jonni: no. It wasn't running as user before. | 17:26 |
| phako | I only ever installed developer mode on this phone after I discovered that it does not work | 17:26 |
| phako | jonni: and as I said, it depends on the phone | 17:27 |
| jonni | well Im running it as user and it works | 17:27 |
| jonni | but if someone has runned it as root, then it might break the filesystem permissions | 17:27 |
| phako | so out of a sample of 5 phones it fails on two and works on 3 | 17:27 |
| jonni | have you tried stracing it as user? | 17:28 |
| phako | yes | 17:28 |
| phako | it does a lstat64 on the file and then that's it | 17:28 |
| jonni | which file? | 17:29 |
| phako | the jpeg to be extracted | 17:29 |
| phako | the rest of the output looks similar. ON a work strace there's a open() on the file after the lstat | 17:29 |
| phako | *working | 17:29 |
| jonni | and is your jpeg files permissions corrent, owned by root vs user etc? | 17:30 |
| phako | whatever the camera creates | 17:30 |
| phako | user:root | 17:31 |
| jonni | do you have pastebin logs with strace and without? | 17:32 |
| phako | sec | 17:32 |
| jonni | but anyways extract command should never be runned as root, as it writed the logs to dir that is only writable by user, so that will fail automaticly. | 17:35 |
| phako | it doesn't if you run with -f | 17:36 |
| phako | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 106968 Jul 25 23:52 tracker-extract.log | 17:36 |
| phako | working: http://pastebin.com/SFE4Xcf4 | 17:39 |
| phako | non-working: http://pastebin.com/LTALu61s | 17:39 |
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| jonni | that wasnt that helpfull as it was missing stdout..... devel-su; su - user; strace /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-extract -f pathtofile > /tmp/strace.txt 2>&1; /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-extract -f pathtofile >> /tmp/strace.txt | 17:48 |
| jonni | if you can produce that kind of pastebin then its more helpfull to see users strace vs nonstrace | 17:48 |
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| phako | http://pastebin.com/SLDnA7jR | 18:00 |
| phako | user | 18:01 |
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| phako | and root: http://pastebin.com/jrLD9UHf | 18:07 |
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| jonni | phako: it really weird that tracker only shows one extractor, are you in PR1.3, one thing which might help would be "apt-get --reinstall install tracker" | 18:35 |
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| jonni | or might be corrupted mime.cache file. | 18:38 |
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| jonni | and ofcourse if nothing else helps, then full reflash with secure erase. | 18:38 |
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| beford | khertan_: you are the one i needed =) | 19:13 |
| khertan_ | héhé :) | 19:14 |
| khertan_ | hi | 19:14 |
| pa | jonni, can i load embedded fonts, with the font loader? e.g., qrc:/ stuff | 19:14 |
| beford | hey khertan_, how is it going? | 19:15 |
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| khertan_ | fighting with my daughter who want to try to use my keyboard (8 months old) | 19:15 |
| khertan_ | not easy to write :) | 19:15 |
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| beford | haha | 19:16 |
| khertan_ | and just released khtnotes 1.5 | 19:16 |
| beford | cool | 19:16 |
| khertan_ | if i understand you got problems with invoker | 19:18 |
| beford | oh I was able to fix that, I wanted to ask you some pyside and qml related questions, its about listview and abstractlist. its not updating the ui after I change it in the code, it updates it just when i scroll the list :/ | 19:18 |
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| khertan_ | did you use beginInsertRows() endInsertRows() beginRemoveRows() endRemoveRows() ? | 19:20 |
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| beford | yea :/ | 19:20 |
| khertan_ | beford: or beginResetModel() and endResetModel if you modify too much | 19:20 |
| beford | not sure if i need to emit a signal or something from the Abstract | 19:20 |
| khertan_ | beford: did you have some code ? | 19:20 |
| beford | I modify the whole thing :p | 19:21 |
| khertan_ | i ll look it later | 19:21 |
| beford | yea its a bit long but I can send you the deb if you have time to try it | 19:21 |
| khertan_ | time to give bath | 19:21 |
| khertan_ | send it to my email i ll look | 19:21 |
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| jonni | pa: test and try. On some api's there are limitation that it cannot load from qrc, but I dont remember if font loader has that limitation or not. | 19:30 |
| pa | jonni, ok, it seems not to work | 19:31 |
| pa | then im not sure what to do | 19:32 |
| jonni | why do you want to hide your font inside qrc anyways? | 19:33 |
| robertjw | is there a oneclickinstaller for N9 PR 1.3? | 19:33 |
| pa | well.. maybe it's commercial, and not redistributable | 19:34 |
| jonni | robertjw: there is no once click installers for pr1.0, pr1.1, pr1.2, so what do you think :) | 19:34 |
| jonni | pa: well qrc is not protected in anyways, I've made me a little qrc extractor plugin which can dump the whoe qrc dir structure from binaries :) | 19:35 |
| jonni | whoe=whole | 19:35 |
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| pa | hm i see | 19:35 |
| jonni | ofcourse it can slow the average user to find the font though | 19:36 |
| pa | jonni, do you know if there's any way to load the font in memory, and tell FontLoader to use that instead? | 19:36 |
| jonni | pa: you could ofcource hide the font inside the binary, and then extract it to /home/user/private (that way only your app can see it) | 19:36 |
| jonni | (if app has app uid, then file in that dir is only readable by the app) | 19:36 |
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| pa | actually it looks like it works with the fontloader | 19:37 |
| pa | (and qrc) | 19:37 |
| pa | but in source: i have to omit the qrc:/ | 19:38 |
| pa | anyway, in the simulator the font looks the same | 19:38 |
| pa | now i try to deploy and see | 19:38 |
| jonni | are you using pr1.0, pr1.1 or pr1.2 simulator? | 19:38 |
| pa | hm.. | 19:39 |
| pa | i have only one | 19:39 |
| pa | (not emulator) | 19:39 |
| jonni | pa: the old one was really back, I advice to use the sdk maintenance tool and fetch pr1.2 simulator, there ui layout and fonts matches the real device :) | 19:40 |
| jonni | back=bad | 19:40 |
| pa | hm | 19:40 |
| pa | good tip, thank! even tho.. i ran the maintenace tool yesterday | 19:40 |
| pa | and it showed me no updates | 19:40 |
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| jonni | it isnt a update, you have to seperately choose the simulator, as it was not installed by default, so its not going to be update | 19:41 |
| pa | i see | 19:41 |
| pa | i try | 19:41 |
| pa | in any case, the font looks different on device, but i selected a condensed font, and it just doesnt look condensed, on the label | 19:41 |
| pa | any idea why? | 19:41 |
| jonni | old simulator label didnt work right, thats why use pr1.2 simu and label matches the device | 19:42 |
| pa | no i mean, on the device | 19:42 |
| jonni | hmm, device looks different on device compared to what? | 19:43 |
| pa | ok so i already have simulator 1.2 | 19:43 |
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| pa | so, font on simulator looks different compared to font on device | 19:43 |
| pa | which should be however condensed, and its not | 19:43 |
| pa | no wait | 19:44 |
| jonni | so you have pr1.0, pr1.1 and pr1.2 simulator installed? | 19:44 |
| pa | i think it just doesnt work | 19:44 |
| pa | i have only simulator 1.2.0-7 | 19:44 |
| pa | and i have emulator 1.0 1.1 and 1.2 | 19:44 |
| jonni | ah sorry, I meant that emulator 1.2 is the one that you should use | 19:45 |
| jonni | simulator is just obsolete piece of something. | 19:45 |
| pa | ah okay :) | 19:45 |
| pa | it was just fast to see the results of qml :) | 19:45 |
| pa | is it actually possible to "scale" a label only horizontally? | 19:46 |
| pa | coz i think the font is right, but is somehow "scaled to normal" | 19:47 |
| pa | and it looks weird, coz it's a condensed font | 19:47 |
| beford | any idea why the lock screen sometimes shows the operator name and sometimes id doesnt | 19:47 |
| jonni | beford: its a feature of composite layout drawing. | 19:49 |
| beford | bug? :P | 19:49 |
| jonni | beford: feature, as its not critical bug, its called feature which is never going to be fixed :) | 19:50 |
| pa | the lock screens also always forgets that some messages have been read and stuff | 19:50 |
| beford | I thought it was a setting or something, I dont remember seeing it on PR1.2 | 19:51 |
| beford | khertan_: beginResetModel and endResetModel worked :) | 19:52 |
| pa | oh and by the way, for some reason my app does segmentation fault on the emulator (pr1.2) | 19:55 |
| pa | not exactly sure why | 19:55 |
| pa | on simulator and on device it works | 19:55 |
| phako | jonni: I've disabled the other ones with -m libextract-jpeg | 19:59 |
| phako | and I've already reinstalled to "unmalf" | 20:00 |
| khertan_ | oups http://apps.formeego.com/ look down : 402 | 20:06 |
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| pa | do you know if there's a way to have a number formatted like %03d, in qml? | 20:43 |
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| djszapi_ | sup | 21:39 |
| piggz | not much..tired after a weekend at a festival, just got a raspberry pi but too tired to do much with it! | 21:41 |
| djszapi_ | heh lucky | 21:41 |
| djszapi_ | as for me, it is still vaporware :D | 21:41 |
| djszapi_ | not that the rpi could beat my pandaboard, but whatever :) | 21:41 |
| piggz | mine was from the #qt-onpi program...have a second on order | 21:41 |
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| pa | djszapi_, do you by chance know if it is possible to package without deploying every time, in qtcreator? | 22:01 |
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| pa | coz it seems build builds but do not package | 22:01 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: time for you to work | 22:05 |
| rzr | shoot | 22:06 |
| djszapi_ | amend the screen package in the community repository that was removed for ... why? | 22:06 |
| djszapi_ | people were looking for that application I packaged a year ago or so | 22:06 |
| djszapi_ | but it is not anymore in the repository .. | 22:06 |
| rzr | didnt you want to move to the application projectrs ? | 22:06 |
| djszapi_ | uh buh doh yep | 22:06 |
| djszapi_ | we should add that repository as well to the wiki | 22:07 |
| djszapi_ | I totally forgot that | 22:07 |
| rzr | i never felt the need for that one :) | 22:07 |
| djszapi_ | well, 99% of the majority :) | 22:07 |
| djszapi_ | is the majority* | 22:07 |
| rzr | ? | 22:07 |
| djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Arzr -> so where is that exactly? | 22:08 |
| djszapi_ | well, everybody wanted except you | 22:08 |
| djszapi_ | having a goliath repository is not healthy. | 22:08 |
| rzr | home:rzr:harmattan:applications ? | 22:09 |
| rzr | djszapi_: debian does have a single repo , actually 3 but depending on licensing issues | 22:10 |
| khertan_ | djszapi_: is there a reason for not including python module in vim you did years ago ? | 22:10 |
| djszapi_ | khertan_: who cares about python :) | 22:11 |
| djszapi_ | but yes, tons ... | 22:11 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: yes... and debian has 1000 developers ... | 22:12 |
| djszapi_ | and tons of packagers... | 22:12 |
| rzr | i am one of them :) | 22:12 |
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| khertan_ | djszapi_: it s needed for many vim plugin | 22:12 |
| djszapi_ | khertan_: python is in a crap state | 22:13 |
| khertan_ | djszapi_: gnié ? | 22:13 |
| * rzr loves the djszapi_ nuances | 22:13 | |
| khertan_ | djszapi_: explain | 22:13 |
| djszapi_ | nothing to explain, it is an axiom =) | 22:13 |
| djszapi_ | half of the world uses python2, the other half python3, and a royal pain in the ass to walk this way | 22:14 |
| khertan_ | djszapi_: lol | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | plus, we did not really have python packages | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | plus, we wanted to minimize stuff | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | plus, it was well proven with Nokia times etc | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | really not much need to make our life more difficult | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | for not much gain | 22:14 |
| djszapi_ | someone has to maintain those packages ... | 22:15 |
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| Venemo | djszapi_, actually, more than half of the world either doesn't care about python or don't know what it is | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: will you ever fix bugs in irc-chatter, or I just wasted my time ? :p | 22:33 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, I've already fixed a few of them :) | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: useless if not released | 22:43 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, yet. | 22:43 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, rest assured that your time was well spent for the good of mankind | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | well, it was something like few months ago :-) | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 22:44 |
| Venemo | no, few months ago I said I didn't have time for it. now I've actually fixed some :) | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | no, I mean I reported those loooong ago | 22:45 |
| djszapi_ | and I cannot still install a deb package, where any of those are fixed. | 22:45 |
| djszapi_ | and nowadays, I do not use internet on my phone anyway. :-) | 22:45 |
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| mon | hi | 22:58 |
| bef0rd | hi | 22:58 |
| djszapi_ | bef0rd: o/ | 22:59 |
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| bef0rd | hey djszapi_ | 22:59 |
| mon | :) | 22:59 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: so where is the app repository? | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | O_o the N9 doesn't support CardDAV | 23:27 |
| nibbler | nope. | 23:33 |
| nibbler | for syncing contacts there's just just syncml and the nokia service (didn't investigate further, probably syncml too) - but it works. i'm happily syncing mine against funambol. | 23:35 |
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| pa | anyone interested in downloading contacts from multiple gmail accounts? | 23:42 |
| pa | if so, i might release my app | 23:43 |
| pa | (via google api) | 23:43 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: it does, but from from gui | 23:50 |
| pa | yes, i read it actually supports a lot of protocols via libs | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | jonni: Huh | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | I want to sync with iCloud | 23:58 |
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