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Hurrian	regarding Bluetooth 4.0 on the N9, isn't the WL1273/1271 on board already capable, and I'm pretty sure upstream has drivers and userspace for it	01:13
Hurrian	I remember there was discussion about radio firmware?	01:13
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tehdely	i'm more interested in the wifi radio. i heard it would support infrastructure mode if the software support were there	01:39
tehdely	is this true? the restriction to ad-hoc + WPA in joikuspot is... wanting	01:39
tehdely	err	01:39
tehdely	i mean WEP	01:39
tehdely	i mean relaly, who uses WEP :)	01:39
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Hurrian	yes, it's there on the N9, WL127x chip can do it, unlike the N900 with the WL1251 which (needed? does it exist?) a firmware update.	01:45
Hurrian	It should be there in 2.6.32, you probably just need to use "iwconfig wlan0 mode master"	01:46
Hurrian	plus some other script crap	01:47
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louisdk	Hi.	04:34
louisdk	I love when an ebay seller don't answer my questions. Don't the want to sell his products?	04:34
itsnotabigtruck	heh	04:37
louisdk	I've been looking for this case for my N950: http://bit.ly/PvmrIK but it in Size M and the one for E7 is in Size XXXL so I a bit confused about which size is right. Is the N950 really than thinner than the E7?	04:41
itsnotabigtruck	i doubt it's thinner	04:47
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louisdk	itsnotabigtruck: Me 2. Therefore I don't understand why the sizes defer. Anyway an ebay seller that doesn't answer my messages isn't worth to buy from IMO.	04:56
itsnotabigtruck	if you find a good n950 case make sure to point it out	04:58
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MohammadAG	zeq, DocScrutinizer05 http://i47.tinypic.com/mkgj0k.jpg :P	05:08
MohammadAG	I get about 2.5MBps on the road, 4-5 when stationary	05:08
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GeneralAntilles	MohammadAG, what are you driving?	05:32
ptl	in the N9, is there a command like 'at' to schedule commands?	05:32
Hurrian	cron?	05:33
itsnotabigtruck	Hurrian: not an official n9 package	05:33
itsnotabigtruck	and not aegis aware	05:33
ptl	[user@n9 developer]$ which cron	05:33
ptl	[user@n9 developer]$	05:33
itsnotabigtruck	there's timed but scheduling something with it is pretty tricky	05:34
itsnotabigtruck	no easy command line program	05:34
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ptl	:-(	05:35
ptl	I think I will try sleep + tmux	05:35
ptl	however... tmux cannot create a socket?	05:35
ptl	[user@n9 developer]$ tmux	05:35
ptl	can't create socket: No such file or directory	05:35
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ptl	ok... did it	05:41
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pa	hei	11:37
pa	do you know whether someone compiled regular "ping" for harmattan?	11:37
pa	the version that is on the phone is something strange	11:37
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macmaN	MohammadAG itsnotabigtruck is inception capable of helping kill the dreaded ui-disaster of a "Switch Internet connection on? Yes / No" dialog box?	11:52
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chem\|st	macmaN: you are speaking of a toggle button for the desktop?	12:11
macmaN	chem\|st: well no, not necessarily. although yes i would definitely love to cut down on the number of gestures it takes to reach internet switch. but to narrow scope, at first i would simply NEVER like to see that ubermodal dialog again. its like a starved beggar, popping up whenever it deems necessary in the middle of other activities. wtf was nokia thinking	12:12
jonni	so why dont you just keep it on always, then there never is a dialog popping up?	12:13
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Hurrian	macmaN: I would love to see the internet connection dialog implemented in system-ui fremantle-style.	12:24
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diorahman	Wohooo	12:31
macmaN	jonni: this thing simple doesn't have enough battery life.	12:31
macmaN	jonni: i would consider that a workaround :>	12:32
macmaN	there's also the "allow background connections" switch, i could turn that off	12:32
jonni	macmaN: you can always create dummy iap, have internet connection always enabled, and switch do dummy when you dont need data flowing.	12:32
macmaN	hmmmmmmmmmm	12:32
macmaN	now that is interesting	12:32
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jonni	I've created on my N9 dummy-iap, and usbnet-iap, those dont eat battery. But then again, I keep my phone in charger everynight, so I have never runned out of battery even when radios are online all the time.	12:34
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macmaN	so this may be a stupid question, but how do you create the dummy iaps	12:36
macmaN	its not in Settings is it	12:36
macmaN	oh wait, Create New Connection	12:37
jonni	not in settings.	12:37
jonni	http://maemo.gitorious.org/icd2-network-modules you can compile your own custom modules.	12:37
jonni	from fremantle repoes	12:38
faenil	jonni, I fixed my harmattan booting issue	12:38
faenil	it was a matter of internal charging state	12:39
jonni	faenil: wierd	12:39
faenil	the n950 thought it was in charging state, so when you switched the phone on it wouldn't detect any charger and it would switch off	12:39
macmaN	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79929	12:40
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jonni	faenil: ah, so it was trying to boot to act_dead-mode? and you fixed it by booting with force-power-key option?	12:40
macmaN	My colleague found another solution - simply make an empty adhoc network, once enabled, it does what dummy/usb are supposed to do - shuts the icd up :-)	12:41
jonni	faenil: or something else	12:41
faenil	jonni, I plugged the charger after choosing harmattan in moslo	12:41
faenil	it went to the charging screen	12:41
jonni	macmaN: that doesnt help you, adhoc eats wifi battery :)	12:41
faenil	and then I switched it on keeping the charger plugged	12:41
macmaN	jonni: hrm. good point i guess	12:41
jonni	macmaN: adhoc only enables the usbnetworking to work, but doesnt help on your problem.	12:42
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macmaN	libicd-network-dummy isn't available from any repo?	12:51
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macmaN	ok installing scratchbox then	13:04
chem\|st	I was lookig for dbus msg for bgconnections or nw/connections but they have no api it seems	13:05
chem\|st	bt has powersaving has and so on but not networking... lame	13:06
chem\|st	also fenix not having smtp by wifi setup... why do they always cut off the good things when evolving... usualy evolution is a good thing...	13:07
Venemo_N9	hey guys	13:07
chem\|st	o/	13:07
chem\|st	any of the meepass guys here?	13:08
Venemo_N9	what brand of in ear headphones do you recommend?	13:08
chem\|st	ew headset or speaker?	13:09
Venemo_N9	neither	13:11
chem\|st	I prefer the old-school ones and have some 12eur sennheiser, I do not like the sticky-gum-thingy ones which came with n900	13:11
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Venemo_N9	well I'm talking about that kind you don't like	13:11
chem\|st	Venemo_N9: neither? neither would men in-ear-microphone...	13:11
chem\|st	ok	13:12
chem\|st	the best I had so far, in terms of fit and sound were sony	13:12
Venemo_N9	mhm	13:13
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Venemo_N9	there are some Sony here	13:14
DocScrutinizer05	moo folks	13:14
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: already talked with merlin1991 about S maint?	13:15
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Venemo_N9	moo DocScrutinizer	13:16
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: wrong chan, but yes, I am setup for maint (reminds me of ssh-key setup for garage)	13:17
macmaN	ive been sticking with the n9 stock earphones	13:17
macmaN	sound is all right, there's a remote control and a mic on the wire, and they look all right too	13:18
chem\|st	Venemo_N9: I bought philips o'neill heavy duty on ear ones	13:19
chem\|st	perfect sound, good fit and not the feeling of something in my ears...	13:19
Venemo_N9	macmaN, but they're not inear	13:19
macmaN	yeah true	13:20
macmaN	i would gladly experiment with inears, if they had the mic and the remote integrated	13:20
macmaN	compatible remote	13:20
macmaN	i dont think there is such a model	13:20
chem\|st	macmaN: n900...	13:20
DocScrutinizer05	my best buy hp are sony, 20+ years old, and foldable clamp type	13:21
chem\|st	macmaN: any iphone in-ear	13:21
DocScrutinizer05	it's been the "second generation" walkman period headphone design	13:22
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: I wear glasses and ear-covering-phones are a pain after a while	13:22
chem\|st	ah those	13:22
DocScrutinizer05	they are not ear covering	13:22
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chem\|st	get it...	13:23
macmaN	well i think we all know iphone white hp's are jus not the ones for n9	13:24
chem\|st	macmaN: get a white n9 then^^	13:24
chem\|st	my sennheisers are white	13:24
Lava_Croft	AKG all the way!	13:25
macmaN	lol :>	13:25
macmaN	"get a white n9" is a rather expensive way to get headphones :>	13:25
macmaN	Harmattan SDK was successfully installed.	13:26
macmaN	yey	13:26
chem\|st	I'd love to get a white64gb one instead of the black16gb	13:27
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120722_001.jpg	13:28
DocScrutinizer05	and (probably) http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120722_002.jpg	13:28
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chem\|st	:)	13:30
chem\|st	l8er o/	13:31
DocScrutinizer05	o/	13:31
Venemo_N9	chem\|st, who wouldn't	13:37
Venemo_N9	I thought about it too	13:37
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Venemo_N9	decided that there are better ways to waste money	13:38
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, senheiser. AKG is more what I like	13:39
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Venemo_N9	I decided to give a chance to Sony this time	13:40
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.head-fi.org/products/akg-k340-electrostatic-dynamic-headphones ok ok I got those like 30+ years ago	13:42
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MohammadAG	I love my AKGs	13:45
MohammadAG	K518LE and Q350	13:46
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MohammadAG	GeneralAntilles: VW Golf '00	13:48
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niwakame	anyone having a best practice way on encapsulating QNetworkManager calls?	13:56
niwakame	I have something like this:	13:56
niwakame	QML[Push Button] ---(Call Method "getABC()")---> WrapperClass doing some preparing ---(getRESTCall(..)----> QNetworkManager stuff	13:58
niwakame	Now as this is asynchronous, I don't have problems using a Callback in the class that's using the QNetworkManager, but in the WrapperClass	13:59
niwakame	I could emit a signal there, but then I don't know what happens if there are multiple Network calls at once	14:00
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=AKG_K340 and :-(( for the changes during production run. Otherwise I'd get them again	14:01
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MohammadAG	Venemo_N9: Sony and similar don't reproduce sounds as good as old industry headphones	14:03
MohammadAG	AKGs are awesome	14:03
MohammadAG	Monster's Beats by dr. dre aren't	14:04
MohammadAG	They're just overbassed overhyped headphones for a sad new generation	14:04
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	14:04
Venemo_N9	MohammadAG, if it's not good I'll just get something else next time	14:05
DocScrutinizer05	the mp3 generation	14:05
Venemo_N9	lol	14:05
niwakame	MohammadAG: I rechoiced on using studio monitor headphones some time ago for that reason	14:05
DocScrutinizer05	niwakame: mind to share type and brand?	14:06
pawky\|2	Does anybody know how to tether using bluetooth and the N9?	14:06
niwakame	Have to look it up, though they we're really cheap but outstanding in sound quality for that price	14:06
Venemo_N9	MohammadAG, there was some AKD too but it cost twice as much	14:06
niwakame	You can't read German, can you? xD	14:07
niwakame	http://www.head-fi.org/products/superlux-hd-668-b/reviews	14:07
niwakame	these are open, there is a closed variant with more noise protection afaik	14:08
pawky\|2	anyone knowing anything about tethering?	14:08
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, what's wrong with it?	14:09
Venemo_N9	hm	14:09
MohammadAG	Venemo_N9: Sure, but here's a tip	14:10
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: I am not sure... I am trying to tether with bluetooth and/or USB and an Asus Transformer without luck	14:10
Venemo_N9	how do i type a dash with the Swype keyboard	14:10
pawky\|2	I am not sure where things are going wrong..	14:10
niwakame	DocScrutinizer05: they should be around 29 euros, which isn't really much and were high rated everywhere...	14:10
pawky\|2	press extra characters?	14:10
MohammadAG	I Spent about 100$ on lots of headphones that ended up breaking	14:10
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, are you talking about tethering the n9?	14:10
pawky\|2	yes	14:10
qwazix	New rawcam out! Anybody who would like to test it?	14:11
MohammadAG	So spend a hefty amount once and get good headphones that would last a long time	14:11
niwakame	DocScrutinizer05: If I pair them with my MAudio card and listen to some classical music it's world apart from regular headphones	14:11
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: Use the N9 as a modem... for the Asus that doesn't have 3t	14:11
niwakame	+s	14:11
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, you should disable the cellular connection on the N9	14:11
pawky\|2	(s/3t/sg/	14:11
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: duh?.... am i not disabling the 3G then?	14:12
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, no you are telling you're n9 not to take back it's modem	14:12
DocScrutinizer05	niwakame: price is not always a criterion. I used a cheapish AKG12 pickup in my Thorens turntable with SME lever (the lever cost ~300EUR on its own, the turntable 5 times as much)	14:12
Venemo_N9	your	14:12
DocScrutinizer05	the pickup was like 25EUR	14:12
Venemo_N9	MohammadAG, yeah I realized that	14:13
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MohammadAG	I wonder how I could wire the cig lighter 12V output to my car switch	14:13
Venemo_N9	guys... Swype is annoying	14:13
DocScrutinizer05	all disclaimer IIRC, as that's been in the 80s	14:13
MohammadAG	I fear the router will drain my car battery while it's off	14:14
DocScrutinizer05	when we user Deutschmarks here ;-D	14:14
Venemo_N9	does it get better?	14:14
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: sorry... maybe I am a bit to blurry in my asking... I want to use the N9 as a modem for the Asus. But using the Wifi tethering possibility in the N9 is draining the battery to fast, thus I want to use bluetooth or USB	14:14
qwazix	Venemo_N9, swype is mostly annoying because even if you don't use it it makes your life harder	14:14
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MohammadAG	Venemo_N9: To me swype is a gimmick	14:14
pawky\|2	qwazix: I use it every day works fine...	14:14
rash_m2k	No the cig lighter should power off when not in use	14:14
rash_m2k	I meant when the ignition is off	14:14
pawky\|2	MohammadAG: To me swype is a better option to T9	14:14
MohammadAG	rash_m2k: It doesn't in my golf	14:15
qwazix	It was much much easier to switch layouts in pr1.0 but they changed that behavior because they included swype	14:15
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, step 1. disable the cellular data on the N9	14:15
MohammadAG	To T9, yes, to a qwerty, no	14:15
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, step2 connect it via usb	14:15
pawky\|2	MohammadAG: its just about getting used to it, and understand its limits..	14:15
DocScrutinizer05	swype and T9 and shite are an indication that nothing beats a decent hw kbd ;-D	14:15
rash_m2k	put a switch into it and connect it to the ignition?	14:15
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, then you can tether it	14:15
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: ahh.. i think i get it... will try..	14:15
MohammadAG	rash_m2k: Yeah, how :p	14:16
MohammadAG	Plus I'm using a 12V output in the trunk	14:16
niwakame	DocScrutinizer05: hehe, so just check them out. It's so cheap you can throw them away or give away as present if they don't suit your taste. But they are the best I've had up until now.	14:16
MohammadAG	rash_m2k: http://i47.tinypic.com/mkgj0k.jpg	14:16
DocScrutinizer05	niwakame: thanks for the pointer	14:17
rash_m2k	I bet there will be some wires on the back of the radio that tell you when the ignition is off	14:17
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, what I'm saying is if you don't do step1, the N9 will start using its data while you are tethering it, thus disabling the tethered connection	14:17
Venemo_N9	the cellular data can not be used by the phone and the other device simzl	14:18
Venemo_N9	simultaneously	14:18
Venemo_N9	meh	14:18
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: Is the option called "Cellular data"?	14:18
pawky\|2	or are we talking "allow background connections"?	14:18
Venemo_N9	dunno offhand	14:18
qwazix	Venemo_N9, really? I remember using both on the N900 with bt dun	14:18
pawky\|2	ahh.. probably "internet connection"..	14:18
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Venemo_N9	qwazix, it never worked on n9(50)	14:19
qwazix	how lame...	14:19
niwakame	DocScrutinizer05: welcome!	14:19
macmaN	jonni: i think i just managed to build icd-network-dummy and dpkg -i it	14:21
macmaN	awesomez, great success	14:21
macmaN	jonni: did you also do gconftool-2 -s -t boolean /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/autoconnect true	14:21
macmaN	?	14:21
qwazix	is there a qt api to control the notification led of the N9?	14:22
Venemo_N9	my problem with Swype is that there is no option to disable its second guessing me	14:23
Venemo_N9	qwazix, probably there is some API	14:24
Venemo_N9	not necessarily qt	14:24
pawky\|2	Venemo_N9: seems the bluetooth connection is only OPP... shouldn't it also be DUN?	14:24
qwazix	can't find anything on google	14:24
Venemo_N9	pawky\|2, I'm not sure	14:24
qwazix	I have some code for the N900 which uses /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds	14:25
macmaN	BT DUN works fine for me	14:25
macmaN	there's no PAN tho :/	14:25
qwazix	MohammadAG, is the N9 led controlled by /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds like the N900?	14:25
MohammadAG	Yep	14:26
qwazix	thanks	14:26
MohammadAG	It's exactly the same with different sysfs naming	14:26
qwazix	remember what is the new name?	14:26
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djszapi_	darn... edmondo does not provide a harmattan version	14:28
Venemo_N9	bbl	14:30
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niwakame	huh that looks inviting: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-byODONVfP8w/UAvigu5hisI/AAAAAAAA900/F0TMWHn8bbI/s1543/03001_amazingamalficoast_1920x1080.jpg	14:30
macmaN	jonni: hmmm, Dummy isn't showing up in the connection list. it is only in the Edit Networks list but doesn't show the edit screen.	14:31
djszapi_	so any edmondo like stuff for n9?	14:32
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DocScrutinizer05	correction: I guess it's been an audio technica AT-12A(?) pickup	14:36
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DocScrutinizer05	obviously a green colored sibling of http://eu.audio-technica.com/de/products/product.asp?catID=6&subID=42&prodID=2846 AT120E/T	14:42
niwakame	I always miss the static from turntables. Should get one myself.	14:43
niwakame	And it's sad youth nowadays can't hear the difference of a crappy 320p youtube video and a FLAC file :<	14:47
ZogG_laptop	niwakame: how is video resolution related to audio format =P	14:49
niwakame	ZogG_laptop: for youtube that correlates http://www.h3xed.com/web-and-internet/youtube-audio-quality-bitrate-240p-360p-480p-720p-1080p	14:50
ZogG_laptop	niwakame: ha, that's why noise music is popular	14:51
ZogG_laptop	they used to listen to music from youtube =)	14:51
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niwakame	It's a shame for a serious artist	14:52
niwakame	Don't let compression take away one of the worlds most beautiful thing :)	14:52
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niwakame	+s	14:53
rzr	qwazix, hi	14:53
MohammadAG	niwakame: I'm 18 and I know the difference :P	14:53
qwazix	rzr, hi	14:53
MohammadAG	Sadly my friends don't and they simply download music using a YouTube to mp3 converter	14:53
niwakame	MohammadAG: speaking about the broad public	14:53
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: you are exception	14:53
rzr	qwazix, i tested the 1st version of rawcam yesterday	14:54
MohammadAG	Best part is they download the 240p one for smaller size	14:54
rzr	i didnt work on n950 using sudo	14:54
niwakame	There was a Game Music concert in Cologne	14:54
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: niwakame i like those who download youtube music and convert it to flac =)	14:54
niwakame	something like the "Play!" events in the US	14:54
qwazix	rzr, why would it need sudo?	14:54
niwakame	and you could see the faces of the younger audience it was just like "WTF this is what an orchestra sounds for realZ?"	14:55
rzr	qwazix, i have inception just openkernel	14:55
rzr	i havent inception	14:55
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop: LOL	14:55
qwazix	It works on my N9 without inception nor openkernel,	14:55
MohammadAG	I use ALAC/FLAC when possible	14:56
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: it's actually not funny. but people actually convert videos and music from low quality to high quality. they don;t get it can't work like that	14:56
qwazix	on the N950 I have openkernel but I don't think it has anything to do.	14:56
MohammadAG	apple devices don't play FLAC :/	14:56
qwazix	Did you download the deb or did you build it yourself?	14:56
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niwakame	well everything up from 192kbps mp3 is also fine	14:56
ZogG_laptop	rzr: try this aegisctl -s and than run it	14:56
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niwakame	then it depends on your audio equip like headphones	14:57
MohammadAG	niwakame: Yeah but you don't convert a 240p video to 320kbps mp3	14:57
niwakame	certainly not	14:57
ZogG_laptop	people do that	14:57
niwakame	but these are the kind of people that make their facebook profile public :)	14:57
ZogG_laptop	niwakame: my profile is half public =)	14:59
niwakame	ha reminds me of listening to Alan Parsons Project again :>	14:59
MohammadAG	I really wish I had a 64GB iPhone	14:59
MohammadAG	I could use my N9 but iTunes library is well organized and I can't get the same experience on the N9	15:00
niwakame	I'm into Spotify atm....I know not everyone likes it...	15:00
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: i think there are apps to orginize and sync with mass storage =)	15:01
ZogG_laptop	i can't use spotify in my country	15:01
ZogG_laptop	s MohammadAG can't	15:01
ZogG_laptop	proxy is not an answer	15:01
rash_m2k	vpn?	15:01
niwakame	Sounds like a demonstration sign sentence	15:01
niwakame	"Proxy is not an answer!"	15:02
niwakame	:P	15:02
niwakame	Was so happy it started in Germany this year	15:02
niwakame	and they do have many alternative and niche music	15:03
niwakame	even some Video Game Music artists I like :>	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	dang! the SME tone arm SME M2 12R costs ~2000EUR now :-o	15:04
niwakame	oO	15:04
qwazix	rzr, what error do you get?	15:04
niwakame	DocScrutinizer05: then......just buy like...5 of them? :P	15:04
ZogG_laptop	niwakame: we hardly have google maps today =)	15:05
niwakame	ZogG_laptop: really?	15:05
DocScrutinizer05	niwakame: this think cost ~600 Deutschmark when I placed it on my Thorens MK-II in 1985	15:05
DocScrutinizer05	thing*	15:05
niwakame	Then it's not much more expensive :)	15:06
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niwakame	Inflation and price rigging have done well since	15:09
niwakame	;)	15:09
ZogG_laptop	hmm 3.5 is not is still not in portage \	15:11
niwakame	Dubstep / DnB Drops are everywhere nowadays, huh?	15:14
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m_	"software problem dnsmasq too many reboots" what i must do	15:29
m_	my n9 cannot booy	15:30
m_	my n9 cannot boot i am upset any solution?	15:31
niwa\|gaming	~malf	15:32
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, malf is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg	15:32
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dm8tbr	m_: that should be easy to fix	15:41
dm8tbr	m_: there is a guide on the meego wiki	15:42
dm8tbr	if you have >=pr1.2 your device will enter open mode though	15:42
heymaster-laptop	http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236877-Qt-QML-ListView-Refresh-ListView :/	15:44
heymaster-laptop	sorry for spamming :/	15:44
heymaster-laptop	just simple problem to add new element to ListView . and it not works .. so sad :/	15:46
heymaster-laptop	Maybe there are any examples how to make it correctly ?	15:47
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faenil	guys, is there a safe way to get pr1.3 on n950?	15:47
ZogG_laptop	faenil: to go to Nokia, to get inside and leak the inside pr1.3 for n950	15:48
faenil	ZogG_laptop, any doable alternative?	15:48
ZogG_laptop	faenil: there was solution to connect n9 repo, but you can't update everything as there is part that can brick device. jonni knows better	15:49
faenil	I see...	15:49
m_	dm8tbr:can you give me document a dont have many time please	15:49
dm8tbr	m_: now I have to google it for you...	15:52
ZogG_laptop	~flashing	15:52
infobot	it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9	15:52
ZogG_laptop	m_ ^	15:52
dm8tbr	N9 malf meego wiki	15:52
dm8tbr	http://bit.ly/LDC9MK	15:53
dm8tbr	ZogG_laptop: slightly different	15:53
ZogG_laptop	dm8tbr: than we should add it to ~malf	15:53
ZogG_laptop	~malf-fix is http://bit.ly/LDC9MK	15:53
infobot	okay, ZogG_laptop	15:53
niwa\|gaming	~malf-fix	15:54
infobot	malf-fix is, like, http://bit.ly/LDC9MK	15:54
niwa\|gaming	~malf-fix	15:54
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, malf-fix is http://bit.ly/LDC9MK	15:54
niwa\|gaming	ok that's random	15:54
dm8tbr	infobot: forget malf-fix	15:55
infobot	i forgot malf-fix, dm8tbr	15:55
dm8tbr	infobot: malf-fix is http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state	15:55
infobot	okay, dm8tbr	15:55
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DocScrutinizer05	~literal flashing	16:00
infobot	"#harmattan flashing" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9"	16:00
niwa\|gaming	~pi	16:06
infobot	pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091	16:06
virtuald	~tau	16:07
infobot	methinks tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys malf	16:08
infobot	Factoid search of 'malf' by key (7): malf ;; malf-fix #DEL# ;; malf-fix ;; malformed priority line ;; major malfunction ;; ibot's major malfunction ;; malform.	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	~literal malf	16:08
infobot	"malf" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg"	16:08
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niwa\|gaming	~happyness	16:10
niwa\|gaming	seems like the sad robot doesn't know about it :(	16:10
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DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys happy	16:11
infobot	Factoid search of 'happy' by key (13 of 23): happy ;; happy new millenium really ;; happyclownpbx #DEL# ;; happy fun ball ;; happy new millenium really ;; [happyclownpbx] ;; happyclownphone #DEL# ;; happy debian user ;; happy hacker ;; emulate sarf\|happy ;; happy new year ;; happydance ;; are you happy with the layout as it.	16:11
DocScrutinizer05	~forget are you happy with the layout as it	16:12
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infobot	DocScrutinizer05: i forgot are you happy with the layout as it	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys happy	16:12
infobot	Factoid search of 'happy' by key (13 of 23): happy birthday debian! ;; happyclownpbx ;; happy debian user ;; happy ny #DEL# ;; happy new millenium really ;; happybirthday ;; happydance ;; happyclownpbx #DEL# ;; are you happy with the layout as it #DEL# ;; happyclownphone ;; happy new year ;; happy hacker ;; cmd: happy birthday (.*?).	16:12
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rzr	do you use dropbox ?	16:48
rzr	do you use dropbox ? please invite me rzr.dropbox@dfgh.net	16:48
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Oni^	~tau	17:00
infobot	from memory, tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter	17:00
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MohammadAG	any Qt plugin users?	17:38
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kozzi	how to installed umplayer anhow to remove package installed with dpkg -i	17:39
MohammadAG	dpkg -r	17:39
kozzi	it complains that the package isnot installed	17:39
kozzi	eventhough I can see it with dpkg -l	17:39
kozzi	dpg: warning: ignoring request to remove umplayer-translation which isn't installed.	17:41
MohammadAG	I'm guessing it's not the full name cause it doesn't fit in terminal	17:42
MohammadAG	use a smaller font/ssh	17:42
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kozzi	MohammadAG: according to dpkg -l , it is just umplayer and umplayer-translation	17:44
MohammadAG	again, it doesn't fit in terminal's width	17:45
MohammadAG	try dpkg -r umplayer-translation*	17:45
MohammadAG	but I can't imagine how umplayer would work then	17:45
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kozzi	still same error with umplayer-translation*	17:46
kozzi	I want to remove umplayer and translation file, removing umplayer first will complain about dependancy of translation package	17:47
MohammadAG	apt-get remove umplayer	17:48
whatsa	kozzi, to see whole name add "\|more"	17:48
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kozzi	well should have tried apt-get first, it works now	17:50
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kozzi	MohammadAG: thanks	17:52
MohammadAG	you're welcome	17:52
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merlin1991	btw if you really really want it gone, apt-get purge $package :D	17:52
MohammadAG	Qt's pissing me off really	17:53
MohammadAG	#qt is as dead as Elop's brain	17:53
MohammadAG	it's quite the most useless channel ever	17:54
kozzi	hehe its sunday	17:56
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MohammadAG	it's quite the most useless channel ever	18:01
MohammadAG	err	18:01
MohammadAG	up + enter in wrong window	18:01
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MohammadAG	Orientation lock in status menu http://i50.tinypic.com/2rd9gtf.jpg :P	18:44
azeem	btw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators?	18:50
rash_m2k	look like roggle only	18:51
rash_m2k	look like toggle only	18:51
virtuald	MohammadAG: i've been missing that <3	18:55
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ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: awesome, is it system wide doesn't matter what app suppose to support?	19:41
ZogG_laptop	when i in bed it triggers landscape portatrait all the time i open new windows	19:41
itsnotabigtruck	MohammadAG: don't jpeg screenshots! :p	19:42
itsnotabigtruck	otherwise, nice	19:42
qwazix	rzr, ping	19:42
itsnotabigtruck	it's a shame that replacing system packages is such an issue due to the metapackage setup on harmattan	19:42
itsnotabigtruck	a LOT of people fucked up their phones by swapping out system-ui and then upgrading harmattan	19:43
itsnotabigtruck	a good chunk of that is my fault due to the way i did inception's aegis source	19:43
jonni	well people wouldnt have problems, if inception would use com.nokia.maemo as source	19:43
itsnotabigtruck	though it's a little bit late to change the way that works now	19:43
jonni	I'm always using com.nokia.maemo as source, just to avoid problems	19:44
itsnotabigtruck	well the original idea was to keep inception stuff nice and separate instead of commingling everything	19:45
itsnotabigtruck	since the user's inception packages are a conceptually different 'source'	19:45
itsnotabigtruck	but yeah, it causes trouble	19:45
rzr	qwazix, here i am like an hurricane	19:46
itsnotabigtruck	but then switching it to com.nokia.maemo would require ugly backward compatibility hacks for when the user upgrades	19:46
qwazix	rzr, hehe, I'm a bit stuck with git, (been using subversion @work and this distributed thing seems a bit complicated)	19:47
rzr	qwazix, i can help you out	19:47
qwazix	how do I do a merge? first checkout then merge?	19:47
rzr	git pull	19:47
rzr	git rebase	19:47
qwazix	won't checking out mess my working copy	19:47
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djszapi_	~update	19:48
infobot	somebody said update was http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950	19:48
qwazix	git pull http://github/url/here?	19:48
rzr	git pull gh/harmattan/rawcam ...	19:48
rzr	err	19:48
rzr	w8	19:48
qwazix	ok	19:48
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rzr	qwazix, http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=cam&#rawcam_for_harmattan	19:53
itsnotabigtruck	btw is it possible, in an ash script, to establish a pipe, and write to the pipe, in two different steps	19:53
itsnotabigtruck	what i mean is, e.g. you want to pipe something into either command a or command b	19:53
rzr	i didnt know that was even possible using any shell	19:53
itsnotabigtruck	and you don't want to repeat 'something'	19:54
qwazix	thanks, will try it now	19:54
itsnotabigtruck	so you want to invoke either command a or command b, and hold on to its standard input	19:54
itsnotabigtruck	then attach something to that standard input in a second step	19:54
rzr	itsnotabigtruck, can you write what u want in other lang ?	19:54
itsnotabigtruck	yeah but it's already an ash script	19:54
itsnotabigtruck	and the only scripting language choices on n9 are ash and perl	19:54
itsnotabigtruck	out of the box, that is	19:54
jonni	with perl you can most likely do it.	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	python doesn't count because it's not preinstalled	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	that kind of stuff can get pretty ugly with perl	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	invoking and piping processes, that is	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	whereas shells are made for that	19:55
rzr	but probally less than in ash :)	19:55
jonni	well everything in perl is ugly, but usually it works :)	19:55
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: or python	19:55
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi_: see above	19:55
qwazix	rzr, it complains that I should choose a branch in the pull step, which one should I pick?	19:55
djszapi_	it does count	19:56
djszapi_	like "KDE does not count since it is not preinstalled".	19:56
jonni	piping in perl is actually pretty handy	19:56
djszapi_	jonni: not everything works in perl, ofc	19:56
rzr	qwazix, git branch -a	19:56
djszapi_	see the dpkg wrapper :D :D	19:56
jonni	djszapi_: well it works, but you cannot make it secure :)	19:57
djszapi_	qwazix: you are not in a branch?	19:57
djszapi_	jonni: we did make it secure	19:57
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djszapi_	by stuffing into binary with the tricky perl thingy	19:57
rzr	qwazix, git branch -a # it will tell you remote/team # thats the one to use	19:57
djszapi_	but the thing is that, a bunch of things just does not work.	19:57
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jonni	djszapi_: but forgot that you can add debugger env variable even on binary thingy to run any custom command :)	19:58
qwazix	djszapi_, complete git noob here, I am in master in my fork and I am trying to merge rzr's changes (who has many branches)	19:58
djszapi_	jonni: the binary creation was not ofc made against that	19:59
qwazix	rzr, git branch -a gives me my master, team master and several other (debian, upstream, pristine, user-rzr)	19:59
djszapi_	it is like expecting orange being apple. :)	19:59
rzr	git can be a bit odd , but it's a today standard ...	19:59
rzr	qwazix, team/master is the one you want to merge	19:59
qwazix	ok	19:59
djszapi_	rzr: it is not everywhere	19:59
djszapi_	automotive prefers svn, still	19:59
djszapi_	and most likely for many years further on.	19:59
djszapi_	qwazix: use "git checkout -t remote/branch/source"	20:00
qwazix	I am thinking to switch to git @work too because svn messes up itself too frequently, and with web development where you add/remove dirs all the time it's a PITA, so I should learn git soon. This is a good chance for me	20:01
jonni	its pretty nice to see community improving the drive application :)	20:01
djszapi_	qwazix: svn is okay.	20:02
djszapi_	for dir add and removal	20:02
djszapi_	its main advantage is not lying in helping with that	20:02
qwazix	djszapi_, only if you use it's own functions to do it. Once you just delete a folder, or copy another one with a .svn folder in it here comes hell	20:03
qwazix	also you can't push to your webserver, you have to log in and update	20:03
djszapi_	well, we have been doing that for ages in KDE.	20:03
rzr	hg is easier to git i fell	20:03
djszapi_	no real problems with that with such a large project as KDE	20:03
qwazix	git seems better for web to me but I'm not sure until I try	20:03
qwazix	djszapi_, I believe that svn is better suited for large projects	20:04
djszapi_	qwazix: no, the factor is not that	20:04
qwazix	The only reason I went there in the beginning is that it was the only versioning system that allowed many projects in one repo	20:04
djszapi_	that can be a pain, too	20:05
qwazix	as we didn't have a dedicated server, and I didn't want to set up a new repo for every little project	20:05
djszapi_	for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally.	20:05
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qwazix	now this is moot because we use a web based system to create new repos anyway. I'm using externals pretty heavily, what happened to them?	20:06
qwazix	I was thinking to try installing gitorious on my server...	20:06
rzr	djszapi_> for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally.	20:06
rzr	I hate this crap	20:06
djszapi_	qwazix: I would recommend not using the crappy gitorious	20:07
djszapi_	that has been a nightmare for ages for most of the projects	20:07
djszapi_	just use gitolite.	20:07
rzr	djszapi_, are u using tortoise w/ wine ? :)	20:07
djszapi_	rzr: no	20:07
djszapi_	why would I?	20:07
rzr	djszapi_, whats wrong w/ gitorious ?	20:07
djszapi_	err... it is a full crap ? :D	20:07
rzr	djszapi_, i thought that one was windows only	20:07
djszapi_	rzr: so what?	20:08
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djszapi_	many people use Windows even if it is surprising ...	20:08
rzr	so wine ..	20:08
qwazix	RabbitSVN is a nice tortoise alternative	20:09
djszapi_	rzr: what wine ? You are confused. :)	20:09
itsnotabigtruck	git really sucks on windows, period	20:09
qwazix	but it used to slow down nautilus too much	20:09
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: no, it does not	20:09
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itsnotabigtruck	because it's always been a *nix-only app from the start	20:09
itsnotabigtruck	even though there's (hackish) ports	20:10
djszapi_	been working perfectly fine in very huge projects	20:10
djszapi_	like Qt, KDE and the like.	20:10
itsnotabigtruck	hg is 100% cross platform thanks to python	20:10
itsnotabigtruck	but git gets all the hype	20:10
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: huh?	20:10
rzr	itsnotabigtruck, have u tested github client ? i didnt but it said to kick ass	20:10
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: git is written in POSIX C.	20:10
qwazix	I can't checkout harmattan/rawcam/master. it says "fatal: A branch named 'master' already exists.	20:10
qwazix	"	20:10
itsnotabigtruck	posix c = not windows compatible	20:10
djszapi_	please do not speak about something you have no idea about.	20:10
itsnotabigtruck	posix isn't the same thing as cross platform	20:10
djszapi_	ah yeah, ofc, posix C has never been able to compile on Windows...	20:11
rzr	qwazix, im me or join #n950	20:11
djszapi_	how much the history lies...	20:11
itsnotabigtruck	and djszapi_: the same could be said of you	20:11
itsnotabigtruck	i'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to constantly start shit	20:11
itsnotabigtruck	ugh	20:11
djszapi_	qwazix: you missed the -t option?	20:11
qwazix	djszapi_, no	20:12
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djszapi_	qwazix: should work	20:13
djszapi_	paste the output	20:13
djszapi_	from prompt to prompt ofc	20:13
djszapi_	Qt used svn for the Windows bits since git sucks :D	20:13
djszapi_	made my day! :)	20:13
itsnotabigtruck	that github windows app definitely looks pretty snazzy	20:16
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qwazix	djszapi_, thanks, rzr helped me in pm and I got past this	20:17
rzr	djszapi_, there is a secret channel for express request not related to ocaml :)	20:18
djszapi_	rzr: well, you are welcome to join #please-package-ocaml-for-harmattan-as-soon-as-possible-thanks-smiley :o)	20:18
rzr	djszapi_, here it goes https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=dh-ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian	20:24
djszapi_	rzr: ok, you can continue with the dependency I originally needed.	20:25
rzr	qwazix, do u know about hdr photography ?	20:25
rzr	djszapi_, thank you for granting me this precious right ...	20:26
djszapi_	rzr: welcome :)	20:26
rzr	djszapi_, #pleaseReviewRedakIntoAFM !	20:27
qwazix	rzr, not much, just that it combines the color range from 2 or more images to procuce an image not normally possible with one capture	20:27
djszapi_	I dislike AFM	20:27
rzr	djszapi_, I disklike working for free on #ocaml :)	20:27
rzr	#enough #with #this	20:27
vladest	where is 1.3 for n950?	20:29
rzr	in nokiahq	20:29
rzr	we can give u a badge	20:29
rzr	and a gun	20:29
vladest	and a ticket and new identity	20:31
itsnotabigtruck	but not a license to kill	20:32
rzr	djszapi_, remind me you the lib you want ?	20:32
djszapi_	rzr: no clue :)	20:32
rzr	the one in the 1st place not ocaml	20:33
rzr	djszapi_, well in that case the job is done :)	20:33
rzr	one of	20:33
rzr	https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1&unresolvable=1	20:33
rzr	or	20:33
rzr	https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repo_harmattan=1&unresolvable=1	20:33
djszapi_	rzr: libindi	20:33
djszapi_	http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kdeedu-kstars/	20:33
djszapi_	see the deps here.	20:33
djszapi_	you recall that I was mentioning kstars	20:34
rzr	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libindi&project=home%3Arzr%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=harmattan	20:35
qwazix	I think I've done it, my copy still works, I hope yours builds	20:36
djszapi_	rzr: does not look successful	20:38
rzr	djszapi_, i am building ocaml again	20:40
rzr	http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=kde&#meego	20:40
rzr	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=harmattan	20:40
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qwazix	rzr, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85512&page=4	20:41
qwazix	what happened, the guy installed the deb and also has the repo so it tried to update?	20:41
qwazix	and another question, if I push now any changes they will be pushed to harmattan/rawcam right? I'll have to rebase again to push to qwazix/rawcam?	20:43
djszapi_	qwazix: depends on where you push it to	20:43
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qwazix	arcean_, I've got exciting new features into rawcam. And I'm learning to use github :)	20:44
djszapi_	rebase is only needed if there is a commit remotely	20:44
djszapi_	that you do not have in place before pushing	20:44
qwazix	djszapi_, aha, that seems reasonable (and useful)	20:44
djszapi_	well you can still use git pull without --rebase in that case	20:45
djszapi_	but then there will be a merge commit, which makes not much sense	20:45
itsnotabigtruck	does anyone here still have pr1.1 installed	20:49
rzr	bbl	20:51
macmaN	jonni: you around still? perhaps you can point out to me what step i missed gett Dummy IAP to show up in selectable connection list	20:57
macmaN	getting*	20:57
qwazix	bye folks, movie time	21:01
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itsnotabigtruck	i guess silence means a no?	21:02
itsnotabigtruck	what about pr1.2	21:02
itsnotabigtruck	macmaN ^	21:02
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macmaN	wdym? on n9?	21:03
itsnotabigtruck	macmaN: the firmware version	21:04
itsnotabigtruck	on either n9 or n950	21:04
macmaN	yes i still have 1.2 on n950	21:04
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itsnotabigtruck	macmaN: have some time to test an updated inception	21:05
djszapi_	edmondo ... like application for N9, guys?	21:05
macmaN	itsnotabigtruck: depends on how lengthy the process is. my weekend time is pretty much up :/	21:06
macmaN	i havent even tried the original inception yet for lack of time :/	21:06
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itsnotabigtruck	anyone else have a phone running pr1.1 or pr1.2	21:14
phako	I've 1.2 lying around	21:15
itsnotabigtruck	phako: have some time to test this? i'll pm you the url	21:15
phako	sorry, didn't read. not now, roughly in 1h	21:16
itsnotabigtruck	:(	21:19
itsnotabigtruck	vladest: i assume you're still running pr1.2?	21:19
itsnotabigtruck	i'd have expected more people would be around at this hour :\|	21:19
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rzr	back	21:36
rzr	djszapi_, it looks ocaml is doing fine	21:36
djszapi_	rzr: and libindi?	21:36
rzr	dont skip the step	21:36
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louisdk	I've PR1.2beta2 on my N950, why?	21:43
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louisdk	I have at strange issue with mail on N950 (PR1.2beta2). I've added my email account under accounts but when I open the mail app it still shows a grey screen with the text Setuo your email account. Any idea on why it doesn't show my mail account? It worked on my N9 PR1.2 and PR1.3.	21:47
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MohammadAG	<azeem> btw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators?	21:49
MohammadAG	your question confused me :p	21:50
MohammadAG	they're on/off indicators for the toggles	21:50
rzr	djszapi_, 10	21:51
rzr	djszapi_, 9	21:51
rzr	djszapi_, 8	21:52
rzr	djszapi_, 7	21:52
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rzr	djszapi_, 4	21:52
rzr	djszapi_, 3	21:53
rzr	djszapi_, 2.42	21:53
djszapi_	rzr: you forgot the next number ? :p	21:54
rzr	djszapi_, 2 ..	21:54
rzr	djszapi_, 1.666	21:54
djszapi_	bye	21:54
djszapi_	I will survive :d	21:54
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djszapi_	:)	21:56
rzr	djszapi_, too late	21:56
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rzr	dpkg-deb: building package `ocaml-nox' in `../ocaml-nox_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'.	21:57
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vladest	itsnotabigtruck: yes	21:58
djszapi_	rzr: great	21:58
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rzr	dpkg-deb: building package `ocaml' in `../ocaml_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'.	21:59
itsnotabigtruck	vladest louisdk: for some testing of a new backward compatible version of inception	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.007	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.006	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.005	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.004	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.003	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.002	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 1.001	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 0.99999	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 0.99998	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 0.99997	22:00
rzr	djszapi_, 0 ! here it is https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian	22:00
rzr	step 3 is building hevea	22:01
djszapi_	k	22:02
rzr	btw are kdelibs ports stable on obs ?	22:03
djszapi_	ofc	22:04
rzr	no obs i mean does they rebuild fine ?	22:04
djszapi_	most likely not :D	22:06
rzr	hevea_1.10-13_all.deb	22:06
itsnotabigtruck	http://minus.com/m4LxrtJG0/ < if anyone interested would give this a try before i release it, thanks	22:07
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Venemo	hey	22:14
Venemo	is there a color picker component on Harmattan?	22:14
djszapi_	sup Venemo	22:16
Venemo	hey djszapi_ :)	22:17
Venemo	djszapi_, I'm fine, thanks	22:17
Venemo	djszapi_, how are you?	22:17
djszapi_	it is ok :)	22:17
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djszapi_	maintaining my new bike :p	22:18
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Venemo	djszapi_, you have a new bike?	22:19
djszapi_	Venemo: yeah, I should become more fit and healthy than I am, so I decided to take up a sport.	22:19
azeem	MohammadAG: I wonder why you don't use colored-icon vs. greyed-out-icon as indicator?	22:20
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Venemo	djszapi_, that's a very nice thing :)	22:20
azeem	or a red cross overlay for off	22:20
MohammadAG	Cause I'm no icon designer	22:21
MohammadAG	Cross overlay sounds interesting	22:21
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Venemo	thp, ping	22:25
Venemo	thp, how do you do the "get more apps" thing in Billboard?	22:25
Venemo	it somehow opens the nokia store showing the apps from thp	22:27
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thp	Venemo: simply open the web browser with the ovi store link - it will then open the store app	22:38
thp	Venemo: Qt.openUrlExternally('http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Thomas+Perl/')	22:38
Venemo	thp, hah, thank you :)	22:40
djszapi_	beford: o/	22:41
beford	hola djszapi_ !	22:41
Venemo	thp, btw, could you add an option to billboard to only show the next upcoming calendar entry (only one, not more)?	22:41
djszapi_	beford: do not suppose you have any boards, like panda, beagle and so forth that could be connected to Mac?	22:42
pa	sorry for bothering again, anyone aware of ping (the real one) packaged for harmattan?	22:42
azeem	ping (the real one) is what exactly?	22:42
pa	ping	22:43
pa	the tool for sending ICMP pings	22:43
azeem	there's ping on the N9	22:43
pa	yes	22:43
pa	but it's not the same as you have on a debian or ubuntu or any other linux distribution	22:43
azeem	that doesn't mean the other would be the real one	22:44
djszapi_	pa: what does this return:	22:44
djszapi_	dpkg -S `which ping`	22:44
djszapi_	azeem: it does not really matter which is the real. He would like to have the same as on his host.	22:45
pa	djszapi_, busybox-symlinks-iputils-ping: /bin/ping	22:45
azeem	I understand now	22:45
beford	djszapi_: nop, should get one, buy me one =)	22:45
djszapi_	pa: right, as I thought	22:45
azeem	pa: what is missing in busybox' ping?	22:45
djszapi_	it is provided by busybox, meanwhile the one on desktop by iputils	22:45
pa	i see	22:45
djszapi_	azeem: busybox truncates a lot of things	22:46
azeem	there's also inetutils-ping, btw	22:46
pa	azeem, ,for example i cannot specify the payload	22:46
djszapi_	pa: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=iputils&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan	22:47
pa	ah great! exactly what i asked for :)	22:47
pa	thank you so much!	22:47
thp	Venemo: i'll think about it :)	22:51
Venemo	thp, the regular setting shows more and it really spams the standby screen sometimes	22:53
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Venemo	thp, also, does it really consume more battery when I put a battery percentage in there? or I'm just imagining it?	22:57
ptl	ppl, where do you check power consumption when idle?	23:01
ptl	Do I have to install that battery app or is it from stock?	23:01
ZogG_laptop	Venemo: just make it open url to it	23:03
ZogG_laptop	it would open ovi store as any store.ovi.com link triggers client	23:04
ZogG_laptop	ooop	23:04
ZogG_laptop	he already answered, i was scrolled up	23:04
Venemo	ptl, that battery app actually drains your battery fast. there was a blog post about why, but basically because it updated its icon, and that invoked tracker to index it every time.	23:04
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, np :)	23:04
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, how're you?	23:04
djszapi_	Venemo: lol	23:05
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ZogG_laptop	Venemo: same shit different day	23:06
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, I see	23:06
ZogG_laptop	Venemo: you?	23:06
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, I'm fine, just doing some catching up	23:06
Venemo	djszapi_, ptl, this is the article: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2012/07/05/battery-drain-on-n9-caused-by-a-combination-of-battery-icon-tracker-and-smartsearch	23:07
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ptl	Venemo: I was talking about another battery app, not the one that continuously changes its .desktop file, lemme check here	23:15
ptl	I don't remember its name now, but it's something that collects info like android	23:16
itsnotabigtruck	ok, inception 0.2.5 is out	23:17
itsnotabigtruck	no major reason to upgrade if you're on pr1.2 or pr1.3, though there is a minor bug fix	23:18
itsnotabigtruck	but it now also works on pr1.0 and pr1.1, which 0.2 didn't	23:18
itsnotabigtruck	let me know if there are any problems	23:18
ptl	why would anyone still be in pr1.0 or pr1.1?	23:19
itsnotabigtruck	dammit, just realized my bug fix was actually a regression, heh	23:21
itsnotabigtruck	ok, rebuilding	23:22
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itsnotabigtruck	ptl: at least one person was and asked me what was up	23:23
itsnotabigtruck	it was an n950 and the owner was either unaware of pr1.2beta or didn't want to flash it	23:23
itsnotabigtruck	but he's upgraded now i think	23:23
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itsnotabigtruck	in any case, 0.1 worked on pr1.1 so 0.2 ought to as well	23:23
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: is pr1.4 out already?	23:25
itsnotabigtruck	o.O	23:25
ZogG_laptop	=p	23:25
* djszapi_ wonders what is the best way to get internet on n9 with a usb 3G stick...		23:26
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djszapi_	perhaps usb networking?	23:26
djszapi_	ajalkane: sup	23:26
djszapi_	Sir Nokia CEO :)	23:26
ajalkane	wadup djszapi_	23:27
djszapi_	nmu?	23:27
ajalkane	I'd also like to be knight	23:27
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi_: put the sim card in the usb 3g stick in the n9? :p	23:28
itsnotabigtruck	the micro vs full size sim business might be a problem though	23:28
itsnotabigtruck	http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/inception_0.2.5_armel.deb < fixed version	23:28
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: indeed, the sim is a full sim inside the vodafone stick.	23:29
djszapi_	and my n9 accepts micro sim.	23:29
djszapi_	if the stick can accept micro sim, I could cut it off though.	23:29
itsnotabigtruck	djszapi_: but you could put it in one of your 950s	23:29
djszapi_	itsnotabigtruck: not with me in Ireland.	23:30
djszapi_	I have only an n900 and N9 with me.	23:30
ZogG_laptop	djszapi_: put in n900 and share internet with n9 =)	23:30
djszapi_	actually if the N900 has a proper joikuspot like app, that would be great	23:31
djszapi_	iow, mobile hotspot	23:31
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ZogG_laptop	djszapi_: i think it has	23:32
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djszapi_	darn, I should get a blackberry dev phone	23:33
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ZogG_laptop	Venemo: btw i have problems with virtual kbd on n950 and irc-chatter	23:33
djszapi_	but I am in the middle of nowhere, and no chance to have any blackberry jam nearby.	23:33
jonni	yep, there is commercial joikuspot app for N900.	23:34
djszapi_	jonni: free?	23:34
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, jon #irc-chatter and tell me about it	23:34
ZogG_laptop	when i use normal keboard and than close it has space between chat and virtual keybord in portrait	23:34
jonni	djszapi_: free version was only http, and paid version was full.	23:34
ZogG_laptop	and sometimes virtual keyboard shows only iin portrait with black screen when i'm in landscape	23:34
djszapi_	what do you mean by only "http" ?	23:34
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, yes, that's probably a bug in the virtual keyboard	23:34
jonni	djszapi_: it only forwarded http protokol, so you ssh didnt work.	23:35
djszapi_	jonni: unsure what you mean?	23:35
ajalkane	jonni: you sure, or is it only port 80 and not protocol sniffing?	23:35
djszapi_	jonni: why would I ever need ssh for running a mobile hotspot application?	23:36
djszapi_	and then connecting from somewhere else to that AP?	23:36
jonni	ie free version was cripled only to be 80/443. ie if you have laptop and use joikuspot as your inet AP, and you want to ssh from laptop to your ssh server, no go on free one. But if your laptop only uses http browser, then free one works.	23:37
djszapi_	jonni: except that, if the server listens on 443	23:37
djszapi_	via ssh	23:37
tehdely	i just want someone to tweak the N9 one to do WPA	23:37
tehdely	because apparently the chipset supports infrastructure mode	23:37
tehdely	i'm tryinna remember if the N9 even does bluetooth DUN or not	23:38
jonni	djszapi_: that doesnt work either, free one only was http proxy, it didnt forward tcp/ip connections, so listening 443 would fail.	23:38
jonni	only the commercial one forwarded tcp/ip.	23:38
djszapi_	jonni: sorry ?	23:39
djszapi_	telnet server 443 worked ?	23:39
jonni	nope	23:39
djszapi_	ok, I see...	23:39
djszapi_	that is not too useful.	23:39
ptl	itsnotabigtruck: I forgot about the N950. Sorry.	23:39
ptl	In the N900 we had the 'phone control' page on naemo.org	23:41
ptl	what do we have for the N9?	23:41
djszapi_	well, at any rate ...	23:42
pa	cool	23:42
pa	iputils-ping fucked up my n9 :)	23:42
djszapi_	are there cool bicycle related apps for free for N9?	23:42
djszapi_	pa: good job!	23:42
tehdely	i track my rides w/ sports-tracker	23:42
tehdely	dunno what ele there is really	23:42
pa	djszapi_, there will be soon :)	23:42
djszapi_	tehdely: sadly, edmondo does not provide a client	23:42
tehdely	nor strava	23:42
tehdely	but that's what GPX export is for	23:42
djszapi_	clicked on Nokia	23:42
djszapi_	and they have sent me a Symbian link.	23:42
tehdely	only disappointment w/ sports-tracker is you can't export straight from the N9	23:43
ptl	there was a very good app for the N900, it was not ported to the N9	23:43
tehdely	like you can on symbian	23:43
ajalkane	djszapi_: Off the top of my head, "Alkoon" application shows where to direct bike to get some vodka.	23:43
djszapi_	ajalkane: rotfl	23:43
djszapi_	tehdely: not even from command line?	23:43
tehdely	if you can, it ain't documented anywhere	23:43
djszapi_	like with the contact list	23:43
djszapi_	you can use the vcard hack	23:43
tehdely	you can grab the .dat files	23:44
tehdely	but you need something to convert to gpx	23:44
djszapi_	isn't that done by a third-party application?	23:44
tehdely	the symbian sports-tracker will export gpx straight out of the app. but on n9 you have to sync w/ their cloud service, and download gpx from the website	23:44
tehdely	not as convenient	23:44
djszapi_	oh btw, edmondo does not provide a version for Fremantle either	23:44
tehdely	i tried using gpsbabel and it didn't recognize the format	23:44
ptl	gpsbabel does not?	23:44
ptl	ah	23:44
tehdely	this burned me last weekend when they had their 3-day long outage or w/e	23:45
tehdely	they were down for quite a while	23:45
tehdely	i even grabbed the .dat files, put em on a symbian phone i had, and tried to export from there	23:45
tehdely	but sports-tracker wouldn't recognize the files	23:45
tehdely	guess there's at least a slight difference in format between the symbian and meego versions	23:45
tehdely	alas	23:45
pa	djszapi_, what do you need , other than gps?	23:45
pa	(in the app)	23:45
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djszapi_	tehdely: wow: http://store.ovi.com/content/3669?clickSource=search&pos=1	23:46
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djszapi_	pa: do you know edmondo?	23:46
pa	no, only sportstracker	23:46
pa	i check edmondo	23:46
djszapi_	"Turn your mobile into a personal coach!"	23:46
djszapi_	the keyword is _coach_	23:46
djszapi_	so it is not only about gps	23:46
tehdely	yes it's like a personal jerry sandusky	23:47
pa	i am currently supporting polar HRM	23:47
pa	the bluetooth belt	23:47
tehdely	nice	23:47
pa	and i want to add the gps	23:47
pa	something else?	23:47
ptl	I also have a bluetooth belt from zephyr	23:47
tehdely	will your app do direct gpx export	23:47
ptl	very nice indeed	23:47
pa	i want to export, yeah	23:47
tehdely	if so i will use the hell out of it and give you lots of feedback	23:47
ZogG_laptop	djszapi_: no app for harmattan	23:47
pa	but what would be great is a way to disable the light sensor of harmattan	23:48
pa	so that i can have the screen always on	23:48
pa	lowest brightness	23:48
pa	and i can control the light sensor so that if i cover it, it gets brighter	23:48
djszapi_	oh this flight-tracker also looks interesting	23:49
djszapi_	tehdely: 4658 reviews wow !!	23:50
djszapi_	http://store.ovi.com/content/31721?clickSource=search&pos=2	23:50
ptl	The N9 has incredibly good apps	23:50
ptl	In my Android I tested about 5 cinema apps	23:50
ptl	and none of them were as good as my current N9 cinema app	23:50
pa	Is that for harmattan?	23:50
ptl	yes	23:50
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pa	i mean flight-tracker	23:50
ptl	ah	23:51
djszapi_	pa: yep	23:51
djszapi_	I fly every month, almost	23:51
tehdely	i'm exclusively amtrak	23:51
tehdely	i should suggest they make a harmattan app ;)	23:51
pa	djszapi_, on the store it doesnt look like	23:51
ptl	"Sorry, this item is not available for the Nokia N9"	23:52
djszapi_	pa: then perhaps not	23:52
ptl	:(	23:52
djszapi_	I have not actually checked	23:52
ajalkane	Well there's this one, maybe it's similar (Crazy Flight) http://store.ovi.com/content/230756?clickSource=search&pos=10	23:52
djszapi_	I thought it would be available	23:52
pa	good	23:52
pa	so i continue with my meeTrainer	23:52
pa	:)	23:52
djszapi_	ajalkane: I dislike that	23:53
tehdely	pa: let me know how that goes	23:53
tehdely	i am interested	23:53
djszapi_	that app has no nonsense reviews. it is not fun :)	23:53
pa	by the way, how can i safely install iputils-ping, since it conflicts with busybox-somethin?	23:53
pa	tehdely, sure	23:53
djszapi_	pa into /opt ?	23:53
ajalkane	djszapi_: ah... your nonsense ovi review app is ready?	23:53
ptl	make a path under ~developer/bin	23:53
ptl	modify PATH to use that path first	23:53
pa	hm but how? unpack byhand you mean?	23:53
ptl	and extract the binary you want there	23:53
pa	i could, yeah	23:53
djszapi_	ajalkane: nah, I was busy with this crazy thingie called Qt5	23:53
pa	but what about aegis then?	23:53
ptl	that's what I did with core utils and such	23:53
ptl	oh, it will be under ~developer/bin, aegis doesn't care	23:54
ptl	it only cares about root stuff	23:54
ptl	dpkg-deb -x package destination	23:54
ajalkane	aww yeah... I gots a bit more motivation for the crazy Qt5 thingies as it'll be used in Jolla's phone. Doesn't seem such a waste on mobile now.	23:54
ptl	extract the package on destionation without installing it	23:54
djszapi_	ajalkane: I see Jolla as a big waste tbh.	23:54
ZogG_laptop	djszapi_: ?	23:55
pa	thanks, let me try :) so you say i should create a user "developer"?	23:55
ajalkane	djszapi_: you'll change your tune in 1 year	23:55
pa	or..?	23:55
ptl	huh?	23:55
ptl	sorry, I thought you enabled developer mode in your N9	23:55
djszapi_	pa: there is such a user by default	23:55
ptl	thought everyone here had	23:55
pa	i did	23:56
pa	wait	23:56
djszapi_	ajalkane: huh ?	23:56
ajalkane	djszapi_: that's my prediction. We'll see within 1 year if I was right :)	23:56
djszapi_	ajalkane: my tune is the d3fault Nokia one, and I am happy with that.	23:56
ajalkane	It'll be Jolla tune in one year lol	23:56
djszapi_	:)))	23:56
djszapi_	no, thanks.	23:56
pa	i have dev mode on, but i cant see /home/developer	23:56
ptl	ajalkane: next yeat I'll buy either Ubuntu phone or Jolla's phone, whiched is the geekest. I don't care much for apps, I care for letting me compiling my own easily.	23:57
tehdely	pa: to get /home/developer you have to open the sdk connect tool at least one time	23:57
djszapi_	ptl: or blackberry	23:57
ptl	*whichever is the geekest	23:57
pa	ah right	23:57
ajalkane	pa: you think Ubuntu phone will be out next year?	23:57
ptl	blackberry is not geek	23:57
pa	never did :)	23:57
djszapi_	ptl: it is?	23:57
ajalkane	I meant pt1	23:57
djszapi_	ajalkane: canonical is much smaller than the initiative from Jolla, we all know, right ...	23:58
ptl	djszapi_: ok, it might be geek, but not Unix-like geek	23:58
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djszapi_	ptl: huh ?	23:58
ptl	ajalkane: I do think	23:58
djszapi_	ptl: qnx is very similar to unix...	23:58
ptl	djszapi_: blackberry	23:58
ptl	djszapi_: I understand, but Android is also 'very similar to unix' in the kernel, but it has no dbus, no pulseaudio, no upstart etc.	23:58
ajalkane	ptl: what makes you think that? From what I've understood it'll take a couple of years still, but I haven't heard anything concrete	23:59
ptl	djszapi_: I work as unix admin and I like a phone that behaves like an Unix server.	23:59
djszapi_	ptl: I dislike upstart, pulseaudio	23:59
djszapi_	ajalkane: why speculate?	23:59
djszapi_	clearly, people knowing anything concrete will not speak anyways	23:59
tehdely	ptl: same and same	23:59

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