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| ptl | is there any way to play music in the N9? Maybe via some command-line utility (there's no mpg321 / mpg123) or dbus call? | 00:48 |
| ptl | I mean, via ssh | 00:48 |
| ptl | ffmpeg maybe? | 00:49 |
| djszapi_ | aplay ? | 00:49 |
| djszapi_ | I have used that for simple stuff on my pandaboard. | 00:49 |
| djszapi_ | should be available once alsa-utils are installed. | 00:49 |
| ptl | hmm | 00:49 |
| djszapi_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/a/alsa-utils/ | 00:49 |
| ptl | yes, aplay is available | 00:49 |
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| ptl | Playing raw data '10-Jean-Roch-Can you feel it.mp3' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono | 00:51 |
| ptl | raw data | 00:51 |
| ptl | it does not recognize the mp3 format | 00:51 |
| ptl | will try ffplay | 00:51 |
| djszapi_ | yeah, aplay is not good for that | 00:52 |
| djszapi_ | mp3 has its own caveat | 00:52 |
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| beford | hey djszapi_ | 00:55 |
| ptl | Description: Multimedia player, server, encoder and transcoder This package contains the ffplay multimedia player, the ffserver streaming | 00:57 |
| ptl | but it has no ffplay | 00:57 |
| ptl | [user@n9 Top Hits Vol 1]$ dpkg -L ffmpeg | grep ffplay | 00:57 |
| ptl | /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg/html/ffplay-doc.html | 00:57 |
| ptl | :( | 00:57 |
| rzr | ``http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1237951#post1237951 | 00:58 |
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| ptl | does this rawcam work on the N9? | 01:06 |
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| djszapi_ | ptl: not with 12 MP at least. | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | djszapi_: what does that mean? | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | djszapi_: if you're trying to say that N9 has no 12MP camera then thanks, we already knew | 01:10 |
| djszapi_ | ptl: but you can always try out. | 01:11 |
| djszapi_ | the debian is there after all. | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks captain obvious | 01:11 |
| djszapi_ | if it works with 8 MP at all. | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | answering a rather nonsensical question with an even more nonsensical flood of answers isn't really helping | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a simple "I don't know" was already too much, but still better than "<djszapi_> ptl: not with 12 MP at least." | 01:14 |
| djszapi_ | considering that it is a fresh application from today, and night time in Europe, plus it is basically an apt-get install stuff after rzr added to the repository, self-try would be the fastest option to check out. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously, that's why the question been nonsensical first instance, and rzr probably wouldn't have put it there and linked it here if he wouldn't think it works | 01:16 |
| * alterego yawns | 01:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alterego: indeed | 01:16 |
| rzr | i have no idea if it works or not | 01:17 |
| rzr | i built it before some one do | 01:17 |
| alterego | In theory, my new voice call dialer solution should be mostly working. | 01:17 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: now you can build ocaml ^^ | 01:25 |
| rzr | hehe | 01:28 |
| rzr | i am sure the summer in ireland is boring enough to do a such thing | 01:29 |
| rzr | here it's time for sandy beaches , bikinis and rainsuits ! damn cancelled summer ! | 01:29 |
| alterego | Well, that's the dbus bridge done, client and servicing code. | 01:31 |
| alterego | Now to test .. | 01:32 |
| alterego | Well, now to write some test scripts. | 01:33 |
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| alterego | It's weird, I was working on the Qml meego-handset-dialer project for about 4 months, and it still wasn't anyway finished. | 01:34 |
| alterego | I've been working on this for probably 3 days and it's basically at the same state as the meego-handset-dialer is/was. | 01:34 |
| alterego | Completely written from scratch | 01:35 |
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| ptl | anyone know a good text-based mp3 mplayer for the N9? | 01:37 |
| ptl | ffmpeg does not come with ffplay | 01:37 |
| rzr | ptl, this is a job for me :-) | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are the big regressions with PR1.3 that people are all complaining about? | 01:38 |
| rzr | ptl, mplayer did built isnt it ? | 01:38 |
| rzr | GeneralAntilles, good question | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm too goddamn lazy to try to dig through Talk to figure it out | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't have an N9 here. | 01:38 |
| ptl | huh... I forgot mplayer. lemme try | 01:38 |
| ptl | installing mplayer, thanks, rzr | 01:39 |
| djszapi_ | why not mplayer2? | 01:43 |
| ptl | ...worked | 01:46 |
| ptl | not on the repository | 01:47 |
| djszapi_ | ptl: if you need mp3 only, I would probably suggest porting mpg123 | 01:47 |
| djszapi_ | if it is not already available in a way. | 01:47 |
| ptl | yes. I tried it | 01:48 |
| ptl | I installed n9 scratchbox on my desktop, but it was yesterday | 01:48 |
| ptl | I didn't have time to mess with it yet | 01:48 |
| ptl | I plan to compile a few things. | 01:49 |
| rzr | there is vlc to fix too | 01:49 |
| ptl | cvlc? | 01:49 |
| rzr | http://www.irunvlc.me/ | 01:50 |
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| rzr | ptl, i just rebuilt madplay | 02:01 |
| rzr | ptl, can you test it ? please | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rzr: you're awesome | 02:01 |
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| faenil | can you suggest a computationally expensive function in one variable? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 02:03 |
| rzr | DocScrutinizer, thx thx but let me tell again , obs is awesome so we need to ensure it wont go down | 02:03 |
| rzr | faenil, div0 ? | 02:03 |
| rzr | faenil, sqrt is said to be slow ? | 02:04 |
| rzr | DocScrutinizer, i guess he meant into one instruction | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so arctan | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or ln | 02:05 |
| faenil | something which can work on random generated numbers | 02:05 |
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| faenil | without incurring into overflows :P | 02:05 |
| faenil | so avoiding pow() | 02:05 |
| faenil | and such things | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or madelbrot function | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-P | 02:05 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: why do you need that? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iteration depth 10E8 | 02:06 |
| faenil | djszapi_, long story ;) | 02:06 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer51, ln? ok | 02:06 |
| rzr | extraterestrial technology ... | 02:07 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: but at least some reinventing, right ? :) | 02:08 |
| faenil | djszapi_, aahha :) | 02:08 |
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| djszapi_ | faenil: you can tell at the next non-existing Qt Developer Days ^^ | 02:10 |
| faenil | yeah :( | 02:11 |
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| faenil | something like sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(x))) + log(log(log(x))) will probably do, unless you know something better :) | 02:13 |
| faenil | mmm no that won't do, I need functions which are defined everywhere | 02:14 |
| rzr | this is not a single operation ... | 02:15 |
| faenil | rzr, one line :) | 02:15 |
| faenil | rzr, I wrote one variable as in you only have one variable "x" | 02:15 |
| djszapi_ | never mind, rzr is just busy with ocaml packaging :p | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | faenil: so mandelbrot is the function for you | 02:16 |
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| rzr | djszapi_, :) | 02:17 |
| rzr | faenil, i have a very long op for u , try to make your variable convice that djszapi_ 's aegis is crap :) | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | faenil: easily scales to whatever complexity you need | 02:18 |
| rzr | sqrt(cos(sqrt(sin(x))) n times ... | 02:19 |
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| faenil | DocScrutinizer51, but it uses complexes.. | 02:20 |
| faenil | rzr, that is undefined on negative numbers | 02:20 |
| rzr | just add 2 then | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faenil: you can set the imaginary component to a constant, or i = r | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I = fn(r) | 02:23 |
| faenil | Fc(z) = z*z + c | 02:23 |
| faenil | is that what you're talkign about? | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki fractal | 02:25 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Other uses}} {{Spoken Wikipedia|Fractal.ogg|2005-06-16}} {{anchor|Mandelbrot zooms}} {{multiple image | align = right | direction = vertical | width = 200 | image1 = Mandelbrot-similar-x1.jpg | caption1 = Figure 1a. The Mandelbrot set illustrates self-similarity. As you zoom in on the image at finer and finer scales, the same pattern re-appears so that it is virtually impossible to ... | 02:25 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, it's very late here, no time for learning new things :) I'll just go to bed...thanks guys anyway :) | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Zn+1 = Zn^2 + c | 02:31 |
| faenil | I see.. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/explorer/def.html | 02:32 |
| faenil | oh no please my eyes are selfclosing | 02:32 |
| faenil | xD | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe this is more what you like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_feedback_shift_register. use your random seed as initial value, define you want to get result of 100000 shifts | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 10E9 | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or, even better: the md5sum of the results of 10E9 shifts from your random starting value | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a LFSR is easily written in one line of c | 02:37 |
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| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, nah I've seen cos and sin are heavy enough ;) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should use 47.$random degrees for input of sin, cos (tan), as many implemetations use lookup tables for integer degrees, and anyway any degrees >360 are modulo 360 in the end | 02:46 |
| faenil | 47.$ ? | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pi**(5+(3/$raqndom)) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pi * 2 | 02:49 |
| faenil | oh,ok :) | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~3.1415**(1/2) | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, she's out for shopping once again | 02:50 |
| faenil | lol | 02:50 |
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| faenil | good night people | 02:56 |
| faenil | I'm dead tired | 02:56 |
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| ptl | commandlinefu.com is unavailable :-/ | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faenil: Y^X or Y**X, Y**0.5 == sqrt(Y) | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | faenil: so (pi**6)**(1/(5+(1/${seed}))) should result in something pi < $result < pi**2 | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no warranty for the result range upper limit | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's late here too | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but generally Y**X is a rather ehavy function | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heavy* | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | st like Y**X == e**(ln(Y)*ln(X)) | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I guess that's again not exactly correct, I wave ans say "n8" | 03:16 |
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| ptl | why is it that I cannot install bsdutils or bsdmainutils on my N9 without removal of hundreds of base packages??? | 03:43 |
| ptl | I badly need them | 03:43 |
| RST38h | You badly WANT them, not need | 03:43 |
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| ptl | ok | 03:44 |
| ptl | I badly want them. I stand corrected. | 03:44 |
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| ptl | Can you tell me how to install them without wreaking havoc? | 03:45 |
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| RST38h | no. | 03:49 |
| ptl | :( | 03:50 |
| ptl | it conflicts with busybox... | 03:51 |
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| ptl | Do I really really really really need to use busybox on my N9? If I simply substitute it for the real utilities (maybe apt-getting bash etc.), what would happen? | 03:52 |
| * ptl googling on maemo.org to see if someone else has asked this | 03:52 | |
| RST38h | Maemo is based on busybox. Removing busybox will break Maemo. | 03:53 |
| RST38h | You *can* install tcsh side by side with busybox though, if you are careful | 03:53 |
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| ptl | I hate tcsh... | 03:54 |
| ptl | would install zsh | 03:54 |
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| ptl | Ok, how do I get out from pnatd? | 04:02 |
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| japh | ptl, https://gist.github.com/3119649 | 04:24 |
| japh | salt to taste | 04:24 |
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| ptl | japh: hmmmm... good solution, I will try with apt-get -d and moving them to where I want. Thanks. | 04:31 |
| ptl | worked :D | 04:42 |
| ptl | used bsdutils, bsdmainutils, coreutils and the likes | 04:42 |
| ptl | for user developer only | 04:42 |
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| ptl | now gawk sed grep | 04:46 |
| japh | 'good' in the sense that it stopped me from having another heartattack trying to use busybox ;/ | 04:51 |
| ptl | sed requires libselinux | 04:54 |
| ptl | I am trying to override LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LIBPATH but these variables do not seem to work as they should | 04:54 |
| ptl | I don't want to modify /etc/ld.so.conf | 04:54 |
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| ptl | *removed sed8 | 05:08 |
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| guvi | Hi, can anyone help with me this: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236777-Appliation-s-private-folder | 07:27 |
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| antman8969 | what are you trying to store? | 07:28 |
| guvi | binary data in files | 07:29 |
| antman8969 | I assume you're using qt? | 07:29 |
| guvi | yep | 07:30 |
| antman8969 | My instinct is to store them as blobs in a sqlite database | 07:30 |
| guvi | 3rd part could copy the db file | 07:31 |
| antman8969 | 3rd part? | 07:31 |
| guvi | another app | 07:31 |
| guvi | if i store sensitive data in db | 07:31 |
| guvi | one could just copy the db... | 07:32 |
| antman8969 | oh I see | 07:32 |
| guvi | is there something like symbian private folders? | 07:32 |
| guvi | just owner app can read/write | 07:32 |
| antman8969 | nah, anyone can access the database | 07:32 |
| antman8969 | its tricky on harmattan | 07:33 |
| antman8969 | I know with inception installed you can actually treat harmattan like Linux | 07:33 |
| antman8969 | and use permissions | 07:33 |
| antman8969 | but if you want to put it on the store... | 07:33 |
| antman8969 | The private folder stuff is really an operating system feature | 07:34 |
| antman8969 | Android does something like that too | 07:34 |
| guvi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Using_Harmattan_security_features.html | 07:34 |
| guvi | or here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Using_Harmattan_security_features.html#Protecting_the_server.27s_data_by_storing_it_in_.2Fhome.2Fuser.2Fprivate | 07:35 |
| antman8969 | do those not work for you? | 07:36 |
| guvi | no | 07:36 |
| guvi | that is why I'm here :) | 07:36 |
| antman8969 | lol | 07:36 |
| guvi | created files can be read by any process | 07:37 |
| antman8969 | it claims that each file is encrypted | 07:39 |
| antman8969 | how well it works I cant say | 07:39 |
| antman8969 | but if it actually was encrypted, and you couldn't just make an app with the same name to access it | 07:40 |
| guvi | no the file was not encrypted, you could even list the content with the terminal app. | 07:42 |
| antman8969 | ooh you tested it out | 07:42 |
| antman8969 | thats unfortunate | 07:42 |
| antman8969 | You could always encrypt it yourself in code but thats kind of lame | 07:43 |
| jonni | guvi: and if you do df, can you see aegisfs 4128448 1740436 2178300 44% /home/user/private -line? | 07:45 |
| jonni | guvi: and app was installed with dpkg -i, so you didnt run it with aegis-exec? | 07:45 |
| jonni | guvi: and you created the file under that dir? | 07:46 |
| guvi | yep | 07:47 |
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| guvi | app was deployed with qtcreator, and it installs it with dpkg -i | 07:47 |
| guvi | so it is supposed to work if executed with aegis-exec ? | 07:49 |
| jonni | guvi: no its not | 07:49 |
| jonni | guvi: and have you added the aegis.manifest for-tag which is required? | 07:49 |
| guvi | yes | 07:49 |
| jonni | guvi: if you create 2 different apps with for-tags, which write to same path, to they overwrite the contents, or are they seperate. or have you tested that yet. | 07:50 |
| jonni | guvi: and are you sure that you have started the app from the application grid? vs qt creator use aegis-exec which would fail to make unique store? | 07:52 |
| guvi | file created by one app is readable by other | 07:53 |
| guvi | i started the apps from terminal app | 07:53 |
| guvi | and remotely via ssh | 07:53 |
| guvi | same result | 07:53 |
| guvi | could that be it? | 07:54 |
| jonni | can you pastebin your aegis.manifest file? | 07:55 |
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| guvi | http://pastebin.com/index/LcttgciH | 07:58 |
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| guvi | Hi jonni, I have tested starting app from the grid and: | 08:30 |
| guvi | the same result if second app is started from the grid | 08:31 |
| guvi | but files are not visible in console or remotely via SSh | 08:32 |
| guvi | my guess is that if started from the grid, stored files will be available to all other apps started from the grid | 08:33 |
| guvi | same as if started from console or remotely | 08:33 |
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| jonni | hmm, maybe I have to do test app, one thing that you might want ti test us <for path="/opt/tprivate/bin/tprivate" id="unique"/> | 08:42 |
| jonni | to test is even | 08:42 |
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| guvi | same result | 08:46 |
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| jonni | guvi: just did some testing, seems that qtcreator doesnt include the manifest file to deb package by default, thats why you are seeing the effect | 09:34 |
| jonni | guvi: I've usually used sb. so I havent notived that before, since in sb manifest is automaticly included | 09:34 |
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| jonni | atleast the AID lines seems to be missing from restok... I | 09:38 |
| jonni | I'll see if there is some way to kludge around | 09:39 |
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| mf2hd | any1 else having more than usual disconnecting calls after 1.3 update? | 11:05 |
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| marsje | didn't notice | 11:19 |
| * vladest dont have 1.3 at all. | 11:24 | |
| * vladest lucky n950 user | 11:24 | |
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| vladest | it seems, TextInput in QtQuick 1.1 on harmattan quite buggy | 12:12 |
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| jonni | full of features :) | 12:15 |
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| tomma | vladest, use meego components input element | 12:17 |
| tomma | TextField | 12:18 |
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| kozzi | how to set default application for a file extension? ie .torrent | 12:25 |
| kozzi | I want to have it launch aria2c -T filepath when I tap on a torrent file or link | 12:26 |
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| tomma | kozzi, application should define mimetypes it can handle in .desktop file | 12:27 |
| tomma | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Launching_another_application_from_your_application.html | 12:28 |
| kozzi | tomma: nice, thanks alot | 12:32 |
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| radiofree | kozzi: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libcontentaction/index.html might be of interest as well | 12:44 |
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| khertan | Hi | 12:57 |
| khertan | did you got any problems with utf-8 and qml qt textarea component ? | 12:57 |
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| khertan | it didn't display document as it shoulds on KhtSimpleText | 12:58 |
| vladest | tomma: TextField based on TextInput | 13:01 |
| vladest | the problem was in predicted text input | 13:01 |
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| xipp2 | hi | 14:09 |
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| jesuschrist^ | jonni you here ? :p | 14:09 |
| azeem | sigh | 14:25 |
| mf2hd | hmh, now i had my n9 in pocket and it had lost whole gsm connectivity for undetermined time... | 14:26 |
| mf2hd | not good | 14:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | guys there must something to be done fo | 14:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | the account login issue | 14:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | i flashed the device one week ago, and now i have the same issue again | 14:26 |
| azeem | you didn't say which issue you were having | 14:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | cant login anymore | 14:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | to my accounts | 14:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | nokia store, skype | 14:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | etc etc | 14:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | "error unknown" | 14:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | or "the account wont be saved" | 14:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | had the issue, flashed, thing gone away | 14:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | and now represented itself | 14:29 |
| azeem | did you edit stuff directly on the device, or the sqlite dbs etc.? | 14:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | no i didint | 14:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | i must say i never had this with 1.2 | 14:30 |
| jesuschrist^ | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-Pr1-2-cannot-login-nokia-account/td-p/1357305 | 14:30 |
| jesuschrist^ | i found this | 14:30 |
| jussi | is there a 1.3 for hammattan already? | 14:30 |
| jussi | err | 14:30 |
| jussi | for n950 | 14:30 |
| jesuschrist^ | but it doesnt work | 14:30 |
| jussi | mind is messed up today | 14:30 |
| jussi | nope, still not here: - http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ | 14:31 |
| jesuschrist^ | any idea azeem ? | 14:31 |
| azeem | no | 14:33 |
| jesuschrist^ | i dont want to flash again :( | 14:33 |
| azeem | uh, are there no curly brackets on the german maalit layout? | 14:33 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyone else had the same issue and solved it ? | 14:35 |
| jesuschrist^ | i cant believe im the only one | 14:35 |
| jesuschrist^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82381&highlight=unknown+error | 14:39 |
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| jonni | if the normal delete all accounts, reboot, readd all the accounts doesnt work, then yes reflash is your only option. | 14:42 |
| jesuschrist^ | i tried | 14:42 |
| jesuschrist^ | the aspcli command | 14:43 |
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| jesuschrist^ | (btw hello) | 14:43 |
| jesuschrist^ | and it didnt do anything | 14:43 |
| jonni | it doesnt to anything with default permissions | 14:43 |
| jesuschrist^ | what you mean ? | 14:43 |
| jonni | it only does something with all capa opensh | 14:44 |
| jesuschrist^ | i used it with inception | 14:44 |
| jonni | if your not running it from all capa opensh, it doesnt do anything | 14:44 |
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| jesuschrist^ | and it said "storage private" removed or something like that | 14:44 |
| jonni | I dont know about inception, since I havent installed that to my device. | 14:44 |
| jesuschrist^ | then i rebooted but nothing changed | 14:44 |
| jonni | I only said that all capa shell can run that command. | 14:44 |
| jesuschrist^ | well it gives the permissions to run it since it returned me a message saying the thing has been done | 14:45 |
| jonni | but anyways, if remove accounts, reboot, readd doesnt work for you, then you can only reflash. | 14:45 |
| jesuschrist^ | btw flashing isnt a real solution since in a week ill end at the same point :( | 14:46 |
| jonni | well maybe you have installed some non-ovi store software which screws up the accounts? | 14:46 |
| azeem | jesuschrist^: did you have your mobile connected to your desktop while you rebooted? | 14:46 |
| jesuschrist^ | yeah but wich one ? | 14:46 |
| jonni | like inception and stuff. | 14:46 |
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| jesuschrist^ | i installed inception AFTER the thing happened | 14:47 |
| jesuschrist^ | but its seems hard to recognize what messes up the phone | 14:47 |
| jonni | well I dont know what sw you have installed. Your the only one with PR1.3 who has been in this channel with account problems | 14:47 |
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| jesuschrist^ | heh | 14:47 |
| jesuschrist^ | :\ | 14:47 |
| jesuschrist^ | the fact is noone knows how the accounts stuff gets saved | 14:48 |
| jonni | if your really unlucky then your flash has hardware problems. Ie if after next reflash, accounts get corrupted, you might want to take your device to nokia care for replacement. | 14:48 |
| jesuschrist^ | it may be an option | 14:49 |
| jesuschrist^ | :( | 14:49 |
| azeem | did you fully flash it, i.e. wiped the user data as well? | 14:49 |
| jesuschrist^ | no i didnt, but it worked after | 14:49 |
| jesuschrist^ | just OS flash | 14:49 |
| jesuschrist^ | then suddendly, yesterday BAM | 14:49 |
| jesuschrist^ | same thing | 14:50 |
| jonni | well I know how accounts stuff get saved, but that doesnt seem to help on your case. for best nuke you should sudo flasher -f -F image.bin --erase-user-data=secure -R | 14:50 |
| jesuschrist^ | well the fact is, that for example | 14:50 |
| jesuschrist^ | i see under .Skype | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | that he writes some files | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | but | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | it gets stuck | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | (when i try to readd) | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | im doing a backup now | 14:51 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill reflash | 14:52 |
| jonni | but if you have out of the blue reboots, and your sure that you havent installer fasternn9 etc, then it might be hardware problem. well you can always try rm -rf .Skype before adding the account | 14:52 |
| jesuschrist^ | i tried it jonni | 14:52 |
| jonni | doing a backup doesnt help you, since you really shouldnt restore corrupted database ' | 14:52 |
| jonni | ie you need to enter everything by hand after the reflash | 14:52 |
| jesuschrist^ | yeah but i need to save my sms somewhere | 14:52 |
| jesuschrist^ | and my calls | 14:52 |
| jesuschrist^ | not saying im restoring them | 14:53 |
| jonni | ah roger | 14:53 |
| jesuschrist^ | btw this sucks a lot | 14:53 |
| jesuschrist^ | :( | 14:53 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway the skype plugin seems unable to recreate .Skype afterward you delete it | 14:53 |
| jesuschrist^ | you need to create the dir | 14:53 |
| jonni | (or you need just to reinstall the plugin) | 14:54 |
| jesuschrist^ | the first time before i reflashed i also tried to remove the signon.db | 14:54 |
| jesuschrist^ | but this didnt help | 14:54 |
| azeem | 13:29 < azeem> did you edit stuff directly on the device, or the sqlite dbs etc.? | 14:55 |
| azeem | 13:29 < jesuschrist^> no i didint | 14:55 |
| jesuschrist^ | its true i didnt | 14:55 |
| jesuschrist^ | now | 14:55 |
| azeem | 13:49 < azeem> did you fully flash it, i.e. wiped the user data as well? | 14:55 |
| azeem | 13:49 < jesuschrist^> no i didnt, but it worked after | 14:55 |
| azeem | just saying | 14:55 |
| jesuschrist^ | just saying what ? i didnt dude | 14:55 |
| azeem | eh | 14:56 |
| azeem | you messed around with it, and then didn't wipe it | 14:56 |
| azeem | so it's still there after the flash | 14:56 |
| jesuschrist^ | ah | 14:56 |
| jesuschrist^ | well, i though the signon.db was part of the OS | 14:56 |
| jesuschrist^ | or not ? | 14:56 |
| azeem | well dunno | 14:56 |
| azeem | but I'd be surprised if a OS flash does stuff below /home/user | 14:57 |
| azeem | no idea | 14:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | hmm | 14:57 |
| azeem | btw, 13:46 < azeem> jesuschrist^: did you have your mobile connected to your desktop while you rebooted? | 14:57 |
| azeem | I read a usb-connected device doesn't fully reboot | 14:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | yep i did | 14:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | hmm | 14:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill just buy an iphone | 14:58 |
| azeem | haha | 14:59 |
| jesuschrist^ | :p | 14:59 |
| azeem | wait a bit, the iPhone5 might be early, and I guess they will cut prices for the 4 and 4S then | 14:59 |
| jesuschrist^ | plus its magical | 14:59 |
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| jesuschrist^ | never breaks | 15:00 |
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| jesuschrist^ | seriously this thing is crazy, if only it was clear only how to reset the account part without reflashing the whole device | 15:02 |
| jesuschrist^ | btw there are others ppl having this issue with 1.3 on the forum | 15:02 |
| azeem | try a proper reboot first? | 15:02 |
| jesuschrist^ | i read someone having the same thing with the linkedn app | 15:03 |
| jesuschrist^ | yeah i will try once it finishes the backup | 15:03 |
| jesuschrist^ | wait! | 15:03 |
| jesuschrist^ | the backup returned me an error! | 15:03 |
| jesuschrist^ | "partial backup done, the following application reported an error : singlesignon" | 15:04 |
| jesuschrist^ | jonni! | 15:04 |
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| jesuschrist^ | its the fucking signon.db | 15:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | the only thing is missing from the backup | 15:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill take it from an older backup | 15:08 |
| jonni | just reflash with secure wipe then | 15:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | wont be a good try to take it from an older backup ? | 15:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | and replace it ? | 15:08 |
| jonni | most likely doesnt work, since it would use different signing key and would fail. | 15:09 |
| jesuschrist^ | oh damn | 15:09 |
| jonni | if you delete and reboot, it should be generated on the boot though, if it doesnt then you should just give up and reflash with secure wipe | 15:09 |
| jesuschrist^ | nah it doesnt get auto regen | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | i tried it | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | the first time | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill try with an older backup | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | if it fails | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill reflash | 15:10 |
| jonni | ofcourse if autorefens, since that file doenst exit on 1st boot after the reflash and is autogened | 15:10 |
| jonni | if=it | 15:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | it doesnt get autoregen if i simply remove it | 15:11 |
| jesuschrist^ | without flashing | 15:11 |
| jesuschrist^ | i mean | 15:11 |
| jonni | it should | 15:11 |
| jesuschrist^ | hmm | 15:11 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill try | 15:11 |
| jesuschrist^ | now | 15:11 |
| jonni | if it doesnt, then you phone is just messed up and secure reflash is the right way to go. and if problem continues then nokia care. | 15:12 |
| jesuschrist^ | allright | 15:13 |
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| jesuschrist^ | jonni as far as you know | 15:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | the signlesignon the backup says he cant backup | 15:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | its just that db | 15:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | or there is something else | 15:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | ? | 15:17 |
| jonni | have no idea without seeing the state of the filesystem. | 15:18 |
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| jesuschrist^ | what you mean ? isnt the same for all the devices? | 15:18 |
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| jesuschrist^ | azeem : just to let you know, the proper reboot didnt fix anything | 15:19 |
| jesuschrist^ | jonni : i see signon.db, signonfs and signonfs-mnt | 15:20 |
| jonni | usually singon database consists of 3 different aegis files, so hard to say whats the state in your filesystem, secure reflashing takes 10+mins + few hours to reinstall all the apps, vs you can spend a week trying to solve the issue and never to solve it | 15:20 |
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| jesuschrist^ | i see your point | 15:21 |
| jesuschrist^ | but | 15:21 |
| jesuschrist^ | it this happens again ? i would like to find a quick solution | 15:21 |
| jesuschrist^ | instead of forever reflashing | 15:21 |
| jesuschrist^ | i believe this to be software anyway | 15:21 |
| jonni | people who arent really familiar with apscli should just refhash with secure, and when they have everything up and running, then take a full backup and store that in a safe place | 15:22 |
| jonni | that way if its corrupted again you can restore pr1.3 backup | 15:22 |
| jesuschrist^ | i did a backup | 15:22 |
| jesuschrist^ | once i reflashed | 15:22 |
| jesuschrist^ | you think i should try to restore that ? | 15:23 |
| jonni | you didnt secure reflash, so most likely that backup isnt clean, but you can always try | 15:23 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway how to erase the signon database with aspcli ? | 15:23 |
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| jonni | jesuschrist^: as you are not familiar howto use the command, my answer to you is no. | 15:23 |
| jesuschrist^ | heh | 15:24 |
| jesuschrist^ | anywya i moved it from the dir and now im rebooting | 15:24 |
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| jesuschrist^ | exactly as before | 15:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | no signon.sb has been created | 15:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | trying with an old backup | 15:27 |
| jesuschrist^ | not working | 15:32 |
| jesuschrist^ | bah | 15:33 |
| jesuschrist^ | ill reflash | 15:33 |
| jesuschrist^ | later | 15:34 |
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| jesuschrist^ | ok now if i open the ovi store my phone reboots :D | 15:47 |
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| jesuschrist^ | cant reflash now, im waiting for phone calls | 15:50 |
| jesuschrist^ | sigh | 15:50 |
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| mehranMicro | i am begginer please help me how can i install .deb in n9? | 15:56 |
| azeem | usually, I just download it with the browser and tap on it to install | 15:57 |
| azeem | you need to change the settings so unofficial .debs can be installed | 15:58 |
| jesuschrist^ | Jul 16 14:59:05 (2012) DSME: Got Validator message [ Fail: 1 (source origin check) Method: 2 Process: signond File: /lib/libdevmapper.so.1.02 ] | 15:59 |
| mehranMicro | azeem:thank you but i want install by terminal? | 16:00 |
| azeem | sorry | 16:01 |
| jesuschrist^ | azeem : could you check what version of libdevmapper you have installed ? | 16:02 |
| azeem | not right now, sorry | 16:02 |
| jesuschrist^ | k | 16:02 |
| azeem | jesuschrist^: really, start asking questions to the channel | 16:02 |
| azeem | not individuals | 16:02 |
| jesuschrist^ | no reason to be rude, you seemed active thats all | 16:03 |
| azeem | sorry, I didn't mean to be rude | 16:03 |
| azeem | it's just long-term experience - if you ask question to people who seem to be active, all the lurkers will disregard them | 16:04 |
| mehranMicro | i want create .deb package for n9 can i do it? | 16:04 |
| azeem | who might be able to help you otherwise | 16:04 |
| jesuschrist^ | ah i see | 16:04 |
| mehranMicro | romaxa:i want create .deb package for n9 can i do it? | 16:05 |
| mehranMicro | surbiks:ddd | 16:05 |
| azeem | mehranMicro: are you hightlighting people randomly? | 16:06 |
| mehranMicro | excusme i am begginer | 16:07 |
| surbiks | mehranMicro : you most searching in google | 16:07 |
| mehranMicro | azeem:surbiks is my friend we have joke | 16:08 |
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| mehranMicro | please help how can i build .deb package from my application for n9? | 16:09 |
| radiofree | mehranMicro: dpkg-buildpackage, assuming you have the relevant files in buildroot/debian | 16:10 |
| mehranMicro | please type dir again | 16:11 |
| mehranMicro | radiofree:what do you mean buildroot/debian | 16:12 |
| mehranMicro | is there diffrence creating package for ubuntu with for n9? | 16:15 |
| mehranMicro | becuse buildroot/debian is for creating package for ubuntu | 16:15 |
| mehranMicro | radiofree: | 16:15 |
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| radiofree | mehranMicro: http://man.cx/dpkg-buildpackage%281%29 | 16:16 |
| surbiks | meranMicro : http://man.cx/dpkg-buildpackage%281%29 | 16:17 |
| mehranMicro | surbik do you hilight any one randomly? | 16:18 |
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| mehranMicro | radiofree:i thing i must use madde for bulding package for harmattan am i right? | 16:22 |
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| mehranMicro | how can i be root in n9 i type root@localhost but i dont know password and "rootme" | 16:29 |
| mehranMicro | doesnt works | 16:30 |
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| dm8tbr | mehranMicro: devel-su | 16:33 |
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| mehranMicro | dm8tbr:can ask you why normally i cannot become root and by devel-su i can do all commands? | 17:05 |
| dm8tbr | because 'devel-su' is the /only/ supported way to 'become root' | 17:06 |
| mehranMicro | can i install packages by this root | 17:06 |
| mehranMicro | ? | 17:07 |
| mehranMicro | dm8tbr: | 17:07 |
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| dm8tbr | yes | 17:08 |
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| mehranMicro | and do you know how i can create package for n9 ? | 17:08 |
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| mehranMicro | dpkg-deb on ubuntu can do it or not? | 17:09 |
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| mehranMicro | dm8tbr: | 17:11 |
| dm8tbr | mehranMicro: sorry, I'm not your personal google person. kindly refer to the existing developer documentation for harmattan / the n9 | 17:13 |
| mehranMicro | ok | 17:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mehranMicro: if you want to do ALL commands, install inception | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and use 'ariadne sh' instead of 'devel-su' | 17:22 |
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| mehranMicro | itsnotabigtruck:what kin of job can be do by ariadne that cannot be do by devel-su? | 17:57 |
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| djszapi | is it possible in a webpage to get the authentication creds re-requested? | 17:58 |
| pokk_ | hola | 17:58 |
| djszapi | for instance, I made a typo in my password, and I am now getting 403. | 17:58 |
| pokk_ | hei ZogG_laptop :) now this week we have news.. about jollamobile | 17:58 |
| djszapi | without closing the browser and open again. | 17:58 |
| RST38h | what news? | 18:00 |
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| romaxa | mehranMicro: make -C obj-build deb | 18:12 |
| romaxa | mehranMicro: do you mean FF deb package? | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hola dm8tbr | 18:34 |
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| azeem | mehranMicro: unless you run armel Ubuntu (and even then it would be a bad idea), you cannot just build packages on Ubuntu for your N9; you need scratchbox | 18:36 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer51: moo | 18:36 |
| mehranMicro | azeem: ok can i build by madde? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: 8550 | 18:37 |
| azeem | mehranMicro: what's madde? | 18:37 |
| mehranMicro | madde is a tools that have toolchain for cross compiling | 18:38 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer51: a pnp transistor? | 18:39 |
| mehranMicro | but i dont know how use it and connot find its commands | 18:39 |
| azeem | I see, no idea whether that would be appropriate, but possibly it is | 18:39 |
| javispedro | heya DocScrutinizer51 | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Moo javispedro, how are things? | 18:39 |
| javispedro | and heya RST38h | 18:39 |
| mehranMicro | it is with QtSDK | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | holaAAA javispedro | 18:40 |
| javispedro | RST38h: happier than usual because of recent experimental results that actually make some sense :) | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: more like a billion mosfets | 18:40 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer51: ah, your stuff is now shipping as a product? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr just I read these digits a lot lately | 18:41 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: btw, I'm getting a N9 (out of my own money), do you know if the USB ID pin is connected on it? | 18:42 |
| dm8tbr | mkay | 18:42 |
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| mehranMicro | azeem:i think i found it ,url:http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_MADDE_terminal_user_guide.html | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: sorry not for sure off top of my head | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but... yes | 18:42 |
| azeem | mehranMicro: cool | 18:43 |
| javispedro | the schematic seemingly says so | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 18:43 |
| javispedro | i'm thinking that a trivial hw mod at connector/plug level might make usbh work. | 18:43 |
| javispedro | on the n9, not on the n950. | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think I tried | 18:44 |
| javispedro | oh :( | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but with old kernel | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or even on 950 | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: n 4 h I can check | 18:46 |
| javispedro | no hurries, just thinking of stuff to test when my vacations start next month :) | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt they pull up ID | 18:47 |
| RST38h | javispedro: unusual (about the results), yes | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no pullup -: no pulldown | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: any commonly known problems with IRQ detection on OMAP4? | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: SiErr or sth? | 18:49 |
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| Sazpaimon | so I'm seeing "not enough power to charge" messages when I plug my N9 into a 2.1amp usb port | 19:03 |
| Sazpaimon | is this normal? | 19:03 |
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| RST38h | happens | 19:03 |
| Sazpaimon | what's the N9 rated for? | 19:03 |
| Sazpaimon | will it actually charge at 2.1 amps? | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Sazpaimon: D+- short missing | 19:07 |
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| jonni | Sazpaimon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83519&page=2 | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and no it won't ever charge with 2.1 | 19:08 |
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| jonni | but with that dongle you can atleast get 1A | 19:08 |
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| jesuschrist^ | guys how to reuse a backup you made before you flashed ? | 19:19 |
| jesuschrist^ | i moved the dirs under /home/user/.backup | 19:19 |
| jesuschrist^ | .backups | 19:19 |
| jesuschrist^ | but it doesnt work | 19:19 |
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| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, so if the USB plug actually pretends to enumerate a device, the N9 won't properly charge? | 19:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | i assume the port here does doesn't short data so it'll support iphone | 19:24 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyone alive ? | 19:25 |
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| azeem | jesuschrist^: IIRC it is MyDocs/.backups | 19:29 |
| azeem | or MyDocs/.backup | 19:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | ahaaa | 19:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | thanks | 19:29 |
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| Crnkoj | does anyone know how to enable pbap over bluetooth on harmattan/n9 ? | 19:33 |
| Sazpaimon | i may just get something like this: http://mobile.brando.com/brando-workshop-usb-to-micro-usb-cable_p04980c0704d003.html | 19:35 |
| Sazpaimon | also what is the max power the N9 will draw from microusb? | 19:35 |
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| chem|st | how do I upgrade 1.2beta? | 20:10 |
| chem|st | 28.2012.03-1_PR_001 | 20:10 |
| Sazpaimon | chem|st, you can change your repository to the PR1.3 one | 20:10 |
| Sazpaimon | as long as you dont flash sw-cert | 20:10 |
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| Sazpaimon | because then you'll permanently brick your N950 | 20:11 |
| ptl | is it possible? to permanently brick N9 or N950? | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | yes, upgrade to a newer version that has no flashing image :D | 20:11 |
| chem|st | Sazpaimon: n9 and it shows the upgrade to 40.2012.21-3 | 20:11 |
| ptl | there is a flashing image for PR1.3, isn't it? | 20:12 |
| Sazpaimon | wait | 20:13 |
| Sazpaimon | N9, PR1.2 beta? | 20:13 |
| Sazpaimon | uhh | 20:13 |
| Sazpaimon | how? | 20:13 |
| chem|st | devel device | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | ptl, not on the N950 | 20:14 |
| ptl | ah, ok | 20:15 |
| ptl | It seems that if the N9 was a second-class citizen to Nokia, N950 was a third-class citizen...Before being expelled of course | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Sazpaimon: (pretend to enumerate) funny way to say 'looks like connected to a host that's simply not doing anything' - but yes | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Sazpaimon: in that case any peripheral according to usb specs isn't supposed to draw more than IIRC 100mA | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Sazpaimon: max an N9 can draw from fastcharger is 1000some mA | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the charger chip in N9 can't handle more | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 20:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ | 20:23 |
| Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, I assume the reason my power strip does this is to support iDevices | 20:24 |
| Sazpaimon | which iirc use the data voltage to negotiate charging power | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Sazpaimon: 1000mA should suffice for most cases | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 20:24 |
| Sazpaimon | so I | 20:25 |
| Sazpaimon | erm | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | ~may-i-edit | 20:25 |
| infobot | mayIedit () { grep "`basename $1`" /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && return; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iPhone and USB cert fastcharging is not exactly compatible | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are USB adapters with a switch (labeled Ncharging") that short D+- | 20:26 |
| ptl | lol | 20:26 |
| Sazpaimon | so I'll either need to butcher a microusb cable, or buy something like http://mobile.brando.com/brando-workshop-usb-to-micro-usb-cable_p04980c0704d003.html | 20:27 |
| Sazpaimon | werid that my friend's android phone picks it up as a charger no problem | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nokia is very obedient to usb ig specs | 20:30 |
| Sazpaimon | for better or for worse it seems | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for the safer | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you plug a mugwarmer to zour laptop, it pulls 800mA and fries your laptop, you can sue a hongkong backyard company | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if same happens with N9 :-((( | 20:32 |
| mehranMicro | i typed "ariadne apt-get install libpkcs11-helper1" in N9 teminal why cannot find package what is solution? | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually you *could* ue your laptop manuf as well as all USB SHALL have shortcircuit protection | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer51> if you plug a mugwarmer to zour laptop, it pulls 800mA and fries your laptop, you can sue a hongkong backyard company | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer51> if same happens with N9 :-((( | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | get host mode working so I can sue! | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | I need teh moneys | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you got it wrong | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N9 periph/B here | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not host/A | 20:36 |
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| chem|st | !help! | 20:46 |
| beford | halp | 20:47 |
| Crnkoj | guys does anyone know how i coudl get pbabp to work between the n9 on pr 1.3 and a nokia bh-221 headset ? | 20:47 |
| beford | what is pbabp | 20:47 |
| Crnkoj | pbabp with the headset works with android phones... and apparently the n9 should support pbap as well (at least obexd gets started with the pbap plugin) | 20:47 |
| Crnkoj | phone book acces protocol | 20:47 |
| chem|st | I guess I have to setup some old repo to upgrade to 1.2 first and then revert back and upgrade to 1.3... right? | 20:47 |
| Crnkoj | its when people call you, on teh headset display you get their name instead of the number | 20:48 |
| Crnkoj | chem|st you ahve a n9 or a n950 ? | 20:48 |
| beford | ah ok, no idea sorry | 20:48 |
| chem|st | Crnkoj: n9 | 20:48 |
| chem|st | n9 with pr1.2beta on it | 20:48 |
| Crnkoj | chem|st cant you jsut use flasher to flash a pr1.3 001? | 20:48 |
| Crnkoj | i belive this shoudl work | 20:49 |
| Crnkoj | but you might loose your persona data than | 20:49 |
| chem|st | believing is not a good word in that case | 20:49 |
| Crnkoj | if thats not an issue i would think its the easiest way | 20:49 |
| Crnkoj | well i dont have a n9 with pr 1.2 beta | 20:49 |
| Crnkoj | so i cant speak out of own experience | 20:49 |
| Crnkoj | but as long as your n9 uses the same signatures and stuff as the otehr n9's flashing a central european 001 variant of 1.3 should work fine | 20:50 |
| beford | chem|st, i'm not sure what you are asking but you can't downgrade to 1.2 if you already flashed 1.3 | 20:50 |
| Crnkoj | no, hes on pr 1.2 beta and wants to upgrade to pr 1.3 | 20:51 |
| beford | n9 has no "beta" for 1.2 afaik | 20:51 |
| Crnkoj | i cant comment on that | 20:52 |
| Crnkoj | but flashing 1.3 with flasher should do it | 20:52 |
| chem|st | beford: UPGRADING... | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, ping | 20:52 |
| chem|st | beford: I have an N9 with PR1.2beta 28.2012.03-1_PR_001 | 20:53 |
| beford | chem|st, you want to upgrade? just flash 1.3 yea | 20:54 |
| Crnkoj | ye just go to navifirm, dl the images for your phone code and flash with flasher | 20:54 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a known way to run apps on Harmattan as root? | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: request UID::root using Aegis | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro remote theme daemon is unavailable, -local-theme -> segfault | 21:05 |
| javispedro | not the same thing but kinda works | 21:05 |
| javispedro | $DISPLAY | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | ~ # echo $DISPLAY | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | :0 | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | ~ # /usr/bin/application-manager | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | "/usr/bin/application-manager" Failed to connect to remote themedaemon. Retrying in one second. | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | ~ # /usr/bin/application-manager -local-theme | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | Segmentation fault | 21:06 |
| javispedro | not here, so it is aegis. | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it's an MTF app | 21:08 |
| javispedro | file under /var/run/ is owned by user, so it will fail under aegis unless you also have UID::user | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | so how does one write a package manager? | 21:09 |
| javispedro | UI as user, daemon as root | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | the fuck | 21:09 |
| javispedro | use d-bus or favourite IPC to talk | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | but that slows shit down | 21:09 |
| javispedro | not necessarily | 21:10 |
| javispedro | but what do you want to do? maybe you can actually query pkgmgrd directly | 21:10 |
| javispedro | (it's a d-bus daemon after all) | 21:10 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, http://i47.tinypic.com/20gmyps.jpg | 21:11 |
| javispedro | (whatever you can do on the command line via pkmgr, you can do using d-bus to call pkgmgrd) | 21:11 |
| javispedro | *pkgmgr | 21:11 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: what is that? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, UI for app manager | 21:12 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: ha! nice. are you doing it? | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | there's no proper app manager on Harmattan | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 21:12 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: you are awesome :) | 21:12 |
| Venemo | just please make it fast and responsive | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | save that till I get it working :p | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | I can't make it fast if it doesn't run as root | 21:13 |
| Venemo | yes you can. | 21:13 |
| Venemo | or why couldn't you? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | read some lines up | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | In other non-Harmattan news, iOS 6 beta 3 up | 21:14 |
| javispedro | reading frm disk will be around a billion times slower than transferring the entire package list, including icons, via a d-bus array. | 21:14 |
| Venemo | I don't think dbus would slow it down THAT much if you use it in a smart way. | 21:14 |
| Crnkoj | guys whats teh command to see bluetooth devices in the terminal on harmattan ? | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, so how do I get a full list of apps? | 21:16 |
| Crnkoj | like tehre is bluez for other linux distros? | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | err, packages | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | afaik Harmattan uses bluez | 21:16 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: that is the hard part I'd say :) | 21:16 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: investigate what F-A-P used, or even H-A-M. | 21:16 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: I think you can safely use dpkg -l even if you're not root | 21:16 |
| Crnkoj | hmm cant seem to find bluez | 21:16 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: or you could read the dpkg db manually | 21:17 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: pkgmgr seems to list user/* packages | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, fapman uses apt through libs | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yes, that's why I want to use apt directly | 21:17 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so. use apt through libs | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I can't run it as root | 21:17 |
| Venemo | you don't have to run it as root | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | and the fact I have to use a DBus daemon makes this not worth the trouble for me | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ apt-get update | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | E: Unable to lock the list directory | 21:18 |
| * javispedro kind of understands the aversion to d-bus, but it will not be as bad as you think. | 21:18 | |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: 'dpkg -l' works as user for me | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, that's for listing | 21:19 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: obviously, you will need to be root for update/remove/install | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | installing requires root privs | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, the only thing it saves me is not having to use threads | 21:19 |
| Venemo | I recommend making a daemon that runs as root, and communication with that daemon through d-bus or something else. | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | but it probably requires double the coding time | 21:19 |
| javispedro | certainly. | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes I wonder if it's even worth it | 21:20 |
| Venemo | well, that's up to you. | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | oh nice | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | themedaemon went down | 21:22 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: have you got your N9 yet? | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | yes, and the SIM slot pins on the N950 broke the same day | 21:24 |
| Venemo | OMG | 21:24 |
| Venemo | how did you do that? | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | microSIM adapter got stuck | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | DDP haven't replied yet | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | yeah same here | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | I was just going to re-ping quim about it | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | about my N950 | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | I hope I can get one without having mine shipped out there | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | too muhc of a pain to send it back :( | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | no | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | they only ship after they get it | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | damn | 21:27 |
| hiemanshu | I did hear something getting theirs without shipping it back | 21:27 |
| hiemanshu | someone* | 21:27 |
| hiemanshu | cant recall where | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | me | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | technically it was stuck in customs | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | so they shipped a third one till the second was cleared and sent back | 21:28 |
| hiemanshu | no I mean, contacted DDP, told its broken, new one shipped | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | no idea | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | but that was probably when Joan was there | 21:28 |
| hiemanshu | hmm | 21:30 |
| hiemanshu | is it new people now? | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing there are no people now :p | 21:30 |
| hiemanshu | haha | 21:30 |
| hiemanshu | I pinged quim again, last contact with him was 2 weeks ago to reemail DDP | 21:31 |
| hiemanshu | he said DDP agreed to replace mine | 21:31 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: who sent your N9 then? I heard it was different this time | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | this is my 2nd replacement | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Ville Moisio | 21:31 |
| hiemanshu | not via DDP right? | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | no | 21:31 |
| hiemanshu | thought so, all DDP interns must have been asked to leave :P | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | http://twitpic.com/a88ig6 | 21:44 |
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| Sniper_swe | ovi store down? | 22:15 |
| Crnkoj | seems so | 22:15 |
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| jesuschrist^ | its becoming outlook express store :( | 22:17 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 22:18 |
| Sniper_swe | ok thx for confimation | 22:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | does WP have bluescreen? | 22:35 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: quim asked me to re email and cc him | 22:51 |
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| hiemanshu | you should ask him too | 22:51 |
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| lbt | so my N9 is stuck on "Updating Library" in music... which is sad because there's no music on the device | 23:03 |
| lbt | any clues? | 23:03 |
| lbt | (no music other than the pre-loaded stuff) | 23:03 |
| phako | probably tracker busy with sth else | 23:04 |
| lbt | I did take some pics this afternoon and accidentally left it recording video for a fair few minutes - and non of the pics or the video appeared in the gallery - so I wonder about tracker | 23:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lbt: reboot? | 23:06 |
| lbt | ZogG_laptop: not always the best thing if it just restarts - but if that's the solution.... | 23:06 |
| lbt | if it just restarts an index I meant :) | 23:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | it starts everyreboot i think | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | lbt: i had problm with tracker not seeing some pictures in gallery | 23:07 |
| lbt | ZogG_laptop: restart fixed? | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | lbt: do not use any command suggestions from forum till you read a lot abou it - i used one and it cleaned my contacts | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | so better you backup btw | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | lbt: not fixed, but the problem was different | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | lbt: and check syslog btw | 23:08 |
| lbt | ok | 23:08 |
| lbt | ty :) | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are tracker commands simuliar to n900, but not sure all of them safe | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think jonni or MohammadAG might know few things about | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | tomorrow i'm getting my N950 | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | \o/ | 23:11 |
| lbt | :) | 23:14 |
| jonni | "tracker-control --help-all" for all the manual cli tracker commands. | 23:15 |
| jonni | you can pause/resume/restart miners as you like | 23:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lbt: ^ | 23:17 |
| lbt | OK, ta | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni — helpful as always | 23:17 |
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| merlin1991 | never ever reset the tracker db on harm though | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | sms, emails and whatnot are stored *ONLY* in the tracker db | 23:22 |
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| merlin1991 | on maemo5 the tracker store was only an index now it is an important db aswell :/ | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: where is CSSU, ah? =) | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | don't think we could fix that mess easily | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | I bet tons of closed stuff depend on that tracker weirdness | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | though I'd be the first to replace the backend db with something less volatile | 23:24 |
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| ieatlint | well, i'm all ready to buy nokia stock on friday :) | 23:32 |
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| lbt | jonni: merlin1991: thanks too - useful | 23:34 |
| lbt | it has come back now ... but nice being able to see the tracker stuff | 23:35 |
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| teleshoes1 | hello | 23:39 |
| teleshoes1 | does anyone have trouble with vim and backspace? | 23:39 |
| teleshoes1 | when sshing in, or using meego-terminal on the device, or vnc-ing in and using meego-terminal, | 23:40 |
| teleshoes1 | in gnome-terminal, urxvt, and xterm | 23:40 |
| teleshoes1 | with no .vimrc, or with my default | 23:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | what problem exactly? | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | i find that i can only backspace when the terminal thinks ive queued up character inserts | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | vim some_file | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | i | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | backspace, nothing | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | type three characters | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | then three backspaces work | 23:41 |
| teleshoes1 | more backspaces do nothing | 23:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | dunno than | 23:42 |
| teleshoes1 | im having trouble writing a map for backspace to <ESC>hd or something | 23:42 |
| teleshoes1 | to get around this | 23:42 |
| deram | teleshoes1: sounds like standard vi behviour (on some versions of it at least) | 23:43 |
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| djszapi_ | sup | 23:43 |
| teleshoes1 | ? | 23:43 |
| teleshoes1 | vim | 23:43 |
| teleshoes1 | not vi | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: sup | 23:43 |
| teleshoes1 | and its totally not standard on any version of vim | 23:43 |
| deram | in some versions you can only backspace parts of the line you have written at same insert mode | 23:44 |
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| deram | vim is vi improved, some versions are just not that improved... | 23:44 |
| teleshoes1 | vim and vi share little codebase | 23:45 |
| deram | yep, and a lot of history | 23:45 |
| teleshoes1 | vi, btw, works fine | 23:45 |
| teleshoes1 | i find this problem only in vim | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | joe ftw :) | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes1: try to find othe version | 23:46 |
| teleshoes1 | 7.3.3... | 23:46 |
| djszapi_ | wow | 23:46 |
| djszapi_ | that is quite old... | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | 7.3.515 is last i have on comp | 23:47 |
| djszapi_ | 7.3.547 here | 23:47 |
| teleshoes1 | me too | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | not harmattan | 23:47 |
| teleshoes1 | 7.3.515 on my laptop | 23:47 |
| teleshoes1 | im not talking about on my laptop tho | 23:47 |
| teleshoes1 | i dont think anyones compiled anything later | 23:47 |
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| djszapi_ | wow, and even my vim is quite old | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | 7.3.600 in my repository :D | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | stable, that is | 23:48 |
| teleshoes1 | am i the only person who uses vim on my n9? | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | ofc not | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | it is even packaged, and used my by many users | 23:49 |
| teleshoes1 | yea | 23:49 |
| teleshoes1 | i cant imagine why it doesnt work, only for me | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | though I packaged this very long ago | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | define does not work | 23:49 |
| teleshoes1 | backspace trouble | 23:49 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:07 PM) teleshoes1: i find that i can only backspace when the terminal thinks ive queued up character inserts | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:20 PM) teleshoes1: vim some_file | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:22 PM) teleshoes1: i | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:28 PM) teleshoes1: backspace, nothing | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:34 PM) teleshoes1: type three characters | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:39 PM) teleshoes1: then three backspaces work | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | (04:41:48 PM) teleshoes1: more backspaces do nothing | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | sshd with: xterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | and on meego-terminal | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | identical behaviour | 23:50 |
| deram | that seems to me to be how that version of vim is supposed to work by design | 23:50 |
| teleshoes1 | whaaat? | 23:51 |
| deram | that has hitted me many times | 23:51 |
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| teleshoes1 | no wai | 23:51 |
| deram | on different computers | 23:51 |
| teleshoes1 | holy shit | 23:51 |
| teleshoes1 | you seem to be right | 23:51 |
| teleshoes1 | thanks deram | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i don't think there is that big difference | 23:51 |
| deram | no problem.. | 23:51 |
| teleshoes1 | just found an article | 23:51 |
| teleshoes1 | set backspace=2 is the magical incantation | 23:52 |
| teleshoes1 | trying | 23:52 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: ... between ? | 23:52 |
| teleshoes1 | fuck me, that was easy to fix. ive been coping for like a year | 23:52 |
| djszapi_ | RST38h: so what was this news about the jolla thingy ? | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: 515 and 600 | 23:54 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: yeah, not much ... just 85 changes :) | 23:54 |
| teleshoes1 | thanks again deram | 23:55 |
| teleshoes1 | peas | 23:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's not about it | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i wouldn't see those | 23:55 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: it is about it. It can make a huge difference for anybody liking that were added in the meantime. | 23:56 |
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| jonni | gigantti is selling white 64GB N9 for 319e, that is pretty cheap. | 23:59 |
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