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| Elleo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPu6lbG_Xk <-- Tizen apps (partially) running on Harmattan :) | 01:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: you did it | 02:01 |
| Elleo | yep :) | 02:01 |
| Elleo | it's a bit hacky in places and only implements a tiny bit of the api so far | 02:02 |
| Elleo | but it shows the concept works | 02:02 |
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| emyei | hi | 08:53 |
| Arie | emyei: hey | 08:54 |
| emyei | hi Arie | 08:55 |
| Arie | emyei: whats up | 08:57 |
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| emyei | working hard | 09:01 |
| Arie | emyei: welcome to #harmattan | 09:04 |
| emyei | thx | 09:04 |
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| gabriel9|work | anyone installed php on N9 :) | 11:18 |
| gabriel9|work | i go on vacation | 11:18 |
| gabriel9|work | and i don't want to be bored to death | 11:18 |
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| rigo | gabriel9|work, not me, but I installed vi | 11:48 |
| gabriel9|work | did you try GCC? | 11:49 |
| rigo | and if you're bored, start a discussion of PHP vs Web Services | 11:49 |
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| alterego | PHP as web services? :P | 11:49 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 11:49 |
| Lava_Croft | So, according to Nokia Care Netherlands, pr1.3 arrives the end of the week | 11:49 |
| gabriel9|work | niceeeee | 11:49 |
| gabriel9|work | then 1.4 | 11:49 |
| rigo | </troll> | 11:49 |
| Lava_Croft | nope :< | 11:49 |
| Lava_Croft | no troll :< | 11:49 |
| rigo | I'm sorry, it's the weather, I sear it's the weather that makes me troll | 11:50 |
| rigo | s/sear/swear/ | 11:50 |
| infobot | rigo meant: I'm sorry, it's the weather, I swear it's the weather that makes me troll | 11:50 |
| gabriel9|work | no one is troll :) | 11:51 |
| rcg | is there somewhere an overview which pulseaudio streams/devices/sinks whatever are available on harmattan? | 11:57 |
| rigo | but I have another real issue: Whenever I try to change folder in the fenix-mailer, it crashes. After removing kontact-mobile, I force-reinstalled it to override library conflicts, But to no avail. As soon as I touch the folder button, fenix disappears without leaving the slightest trace | 11:57 |
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| rcg | alright, seems like the files in /etc/pulse are pretty helpful ;) | 12:10 |
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| gabriel9|work | does anyone used N9 for coding apps for N9 ? | 13:05 |
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| gabriel9|work | something like AIDE(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl=en) | 13:06 |
| gabriel9|work | is it even possible? | 13:06 |
| sahib_ | gabriel9|work: sounds like a major pain in the a** | 13:08 |
| gabriel9|work | i tried AIDE and it works nice | 13:08 |
| gabriel9|work | bluetooth keyboard and code and try in the same time :) | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | gabriel9|work: Khertan probably has | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: According to Twitter, it's already started rolling out - but I'm not sure | 13:12 |
| gabriel9|work | did Khertan write somewhere about it? | 13:14 |
| Lava_Croft | Jaffa: Let's hope so! I need PR1.3 to fix the broken camera. :< | 13:14 |
| gabriel9|work | i don't have update yet | 13:14 |
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| Lava_Croft | Also 'lol' at Nexus7 tablet costing 100euro more in the EU than it does in the USA | 13:15 |
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| Jaffa | gabriel9|work: Not sure, I'll dig out his blog. But he's previously written on-device editors & packagers and has released them for Harmattan IIRC | 13:15 |
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| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: Handy trip to Portland, OR, USA for OSCon coming up next month :-) | 13:15 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 13:15 |
| Lava_Croft | friend of ours sends us the tablets we ordered:) | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | gabriel9|work: http://khertan.net/ | 13:16 |
| Jaffa | gabriel9|work: There's definitely stuff. | 13:16 |
| gabriel9|work | ok, i will digg it | 13:16 |
| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it when it arrives | 13:16 |
| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: Ah, pictures on Twitter are apparently "older leaks": http://www.allboutn9.info/2012/07/next-nokia-n9-update-release-pr13-not.html | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Lava_Croft: taxes, solely | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Lava_Croft: At least in the UK | 13:17 |
| Lava_Croft | shit is just more expensive in EU, little to do with taxes | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Lava_Croft: 199$+import duty + VAT = less than the selling price in the UK | 13:18 |
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| xmlich02 | FYI http://www.openmobility.cz/openmobility/summer-contest-for-linux-smartphone/ | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 pounds cheaper - specifically | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | xmlich02: That will clearly secure teh future of the harmattan platform. | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (good luck for all applicants though) | 13:20 |
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| rzr | 14:50 | |
| rzr | #8 | 14:50 |
| rzr | http://www.ebay.es/itm/Nokia-N950-de...item4166bca37d 1136 EUR | 14:50 |
| rzr | err | 14:50 |
| rzr | http://www.ebay.es/itm/Nokia-N950-dev-phone-/280896512893?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item4166bca37d | 14:52 |
| rzr | this is insane | 14:52 |
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| koe | hehe, collector's item | 14:54 |
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| jonni | if you sell your device, you can get few android devices for it ;-) | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | what good would that do:< | 14:58 |
| jonni | then you would have device on platform which isnt dead yet :) | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | this platform isnt dead | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | and being 'alive' doesnt make android any less horrible:) | 14:59 |
| jonni | I'm trolling ;-) | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i know, so am i! | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i sold galaxy crapsux for N9 | 14:59 |
| jonni | I wouldnt mind if someone would donate me nexus 7 :) | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | i got one coming from the USA | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | 150euros:) | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | as opposed to 250euros once it releases here in holland | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | for that price, i can get 3x nexus7 for less than the price of a single ipad3 | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | lol nokia beta labs | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | they post about nokia suit n9 compat | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | but the list of shit that doesnt work is just lolong | 15:02 |
| jonni | you missed the part where it said 'beta' ;) | 15:03 |
| Lava_Croft | i think i missed the part where they state what does work | 15:03 |
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| Tronic | "I have received first hand accounts for the upcoming article on Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan development and it's been sad to read. Intentional slowing down of development by the management level, competing teams (Symbian), partners (Intel), bureaucracy (getting one line of code accepted took two months), difficulties in UI design for portrait/landscape, developers' improvement suggestions were difficult to get processed and in the ... | 15:22 |
| Tronic | ... end no-one bothered to make them at all (too much control killed creativity and innovation), pieces were coded abroad and then rewritten from scratch in Finland. Additionally, information on Nokia's MeeGo release strategy and five MeeGo devices in development, including a tablet." | 15:22 |
| Tronic | Sampsa Kurri (one of the leading IT journalists in Finland) is preparing a story on MeeGo and asks for people to break their NDAs and submit him details of what happened inside Nokia. | 15:23 |
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| Arie | Tronic: i want marko's story | 15:24 |
| Arie | Tronic: he is the one that was driven and passionate about all this | 15:24 |
| rigo | Lava_Croft: +100 | 15:24 |
| Tronic | If you have something to say, email him sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com. Sources will remain anonymous (protected by the law in Finland). | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 15:25 |
| Tronic | The relevant forum thread (in Finnish): http://murobbs.plaza.fi/taskumuro-puhelimet-taulutietokoneet-ja-muut-mobiililaitteet/900026-nokian-ex-meego-kehittajat-ottakaa-yhteytta-ja-kertokaa-tarinanne.html | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Tronic: that seems interesting. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I am willing to break my NDA, to further understanding, but... | 15:26 |
| Tronic | There's also Sampsa's GPG key on the last page of the thread, in case you want to encrypt the message... | 15:26 |
| * SpeedEvil has no clue as to anything interesting. | 15:26 | |
| Lava_Croft | rigo: ? | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmurobbs.plaza.fi%2Ftaskumuro-puhelimet-taulutietokoneet-ja-muut-mobiililaitteet%2F900026-nokian-ex-meego-kehittajat-ottakaa-yhteytta-ja-kertokaa-tarinanne.html | 15:27 |
| Lava_Croft | Tronic: sounds promising! | 15:27 |
| Lava_Croft | in a sad way | 15:28 |
| rigo | to <Lava_Croft> and being 'alive' doesnt make android any less horrible:) | 15:28 |
| Lava_Croft | ah :) | 15:28 |
| rigo | I abandoned android for privacy reasons | 15:28 |
| Lava_Croft | android drove me quite mad in less than a week | 15:28 |
| rigo | but I'm paranoid anyway | 15:28 |
| Lava_Croft | and im spoiled with maemo | 15:28 |
| rigo | yep | 15:28 |
| Tronic | If you know someone from Nokia Ulm, please spread the message. I'm sure something interesting could be found from there as well but the original request doesn't reach outside Finland unfortunately. | 15:28 |
| Lava_Croft | if i cant find a music player that can play icecast streams in 2 days | 15:28 |
| Lava_Croft | i think i should not bother with the platform ;) | 15:29 |
| rigo | android is just a frontend to spying google cloud services, not more, but not less | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i dont really care about that | 15:29 |
| rigo | android without google is like car without wheels | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | i just care about how it feels so hacky and patchy | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | and how i sported an awesome dualcore beast of a phone | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | yet it felt less smooth than my n900 | 15:29 |
| rigo | that too, but it seems it has improved. My HTC was unable to give me a prompt before the call was timed out | 15:30 |
| rigo | but the K9 mailer was decent and fenix isn't | 15:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Google translate is silly. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The signs were already visible from the 2003-2004 issues of response among the last (color screen, polyphonic ring tones, shellfish, etc.) | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Made me ponder for a while. :) | 15:40 |
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| Corsac | http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/nokia-chairman-says-company-has-a-windows-phone-contingency-pla/ [haha] | 17:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'we have a complete licence to WinCE5' | 17:26 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: Yeah, but it sounds like he's talking about other non-mobile phone business lines. | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Internet tablets! | 17:35 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 17:36 |
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| * SpeedEvil is waiting for his new internet tablet. | 17:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though it will be from google. | 17:38 |
| Lava_Croft | im getting that piece of crap too | 17:40 |
| Lava_Croft | at 150e, its a sale | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 150e? | 17:42 |
| Lava_Croft | 150euros | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I know what the e means :) | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering which market it was being sold in at 150e | 17:42 |
| Lava_Croft | USA | 17:42 |
| Lava_Croft | it will be released in the Netherlands in august | 17:42 |
| Lava_Croft | and sell for 250e | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - I hadn't quite realised the exchange rate | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought it was closer to parity than that. | 17:43 |
| Lava_Croft | sadly not | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they keep printing more dollars. | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The EU has, so far, been hesitant to do that. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that the price in the UK is 2 pounds less than 199 dollars * import duty * VAT | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess I last bought euros when it was about parity | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (with the $) | 17:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | its not just about that | 17:49 |
| Lava_Croft | shit is just more expensive here | 17:49 |
| Lava_Croft | same goes for general computer hardware | 17:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is the name of mail client on n9? | 17:49 |
| phako | Fenix | 17:50 |
| phako | Should rather be called ashes | 17:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 17:50 |
| Lava_Croft | like modest is rottest | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lava_Croft, taxes. | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit isn't "just more expensive" | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also regulations. | 17:52 |
| Lava_Croft | what does that result in | 17:52 |
| Lava_Croft | shit just being more expensive | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's more expensive for a reason. | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | (A self-inflicted one) | 17:53 |
| Lava_Croft | of course it is | 17:53 |
| Lava_Croft | nobody ever stated otherwise | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "its not about that" | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "shit is just more expensive here" | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly that's "otherwise". | 17:53 |
| Lava_Croft | thats an odd quote | 17:53 |
| Lava_Croft | leaving out the word 'just' | 17:53 |
| deram | US originated shit tends to be more expensive in EUR area than taxes and excange rates state | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they have to comply with EU regulations (like mandatory warranty minimums) | 17:56 |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: that is consumers only | 17:56 |
| chem|st | but you don't even get stuff as company | 17:56 |
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| Lava_Croft | americans hate socialized medicine | 17:57 |
| Lava_Croft | but sociliazed consumption is just fine | 17:58 |
| Lava_Croft | socialized* | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I note that the UK price is less than the US price (after tax) | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (With EU warranty) | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lava_Croft, tell that to the Greeks. | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Nordic countries have the benefit of highly homogenized populations. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lava_Croft, but you are more than welcome to have at your political system. | 17:59 |
| Lava_Croft | Nordic countries make up only a tiny part of the EU | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kindly keep it away from me, however. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lava_Croft, yes, and the EU is in the process of crumbling. | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, everybody is an expert on politics these days | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, pounds are doing better than USD. | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | just like everyone is an expert on smartphones | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and computer games | 18:00 |
| deram | well, I've seen even internet based service subscriptions to be $9.99 in US and 9.99e or 9.99£ in europe | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lava_Croft, you don't know me, friend. :) | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | try preaching to someone else, im not very interested | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Glad we got that sorted. | 18:02 |
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| trench | new version out | 18:20 |
| trench | or? | 18:20 |
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| trench | http://meegos.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=115750#p115750 | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | old pictures of some in-house testing version of the update | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | ignore them | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | But the update should be near (should could would) | 18:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: are you russian? =) | 18:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | vi_: is your address thing sorted out? | 18:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | ZogG_laptop: naw | 18:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just know this site, how you got there =) | 18:27 |
| Lava_Croft | via twitter | 18:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh right | 18:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's logical, just didn't thought of it | 18:28 |
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| Lava_Croft | :) | 18:29 |
| Lava_Croft | i have a huge vegetable factory behind my house tho | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | and a shitload of Polish people work there | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | and Poland is next to Russia | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | so in a way im connected to Russia much like that US Teapart lady who said she has foreign relatations experience because she could see Russia from Alaska | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Teaparty* | 18:30 |
| phako | "next to russia" is an interesting term for that short bit of now-russian part of east-prussia | 18:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | Mind you, im Dutch | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | and mostly oblivious to any sensitivities regarding Russia and Poland | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 18:32 |
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| rigo | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57464717-94/nokia-we-have-a-windows-phone-contingency-plan/ | 21:53 |
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| Tronic | rigo: I know what it is: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/146097733_aba17b24ff.jpg | 21:56 |
| Elleo | the fallback is Windows Mobile 6 | 21:57 |
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| rigo | Tronic: LOL | 22:02 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia can always go back to another very promising business | 22:03 |
| Lava_Croft | making paper | 22:03 |
| vladest | Tronic: plan B? :) | 22:05 |
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| M4rtinK2 | or tires :) | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK2: where is the first one? | 22:29 |
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| M4rtinK2 | ZogG_laptop: killed by a storm yesterday :) | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | I mean, the connection :) | 22:39 |
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| piggz | rather dissapointed by the amount of PR1.3 tweets in my stream today, to find out it was all rubbish! :) | 23:13 |
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| Corsac | piggz: it should be out by mid-june! | 23:17 |
| tomma | next year? | 23:18 |
| Corsac | why so soon? | 23:20 |
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