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| ZogG_lap1op | itsnotabigtruck: is pr1.3 out there? =) | 03:40 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | itsnotabigtruck: i miss this question =\ | 03:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: lol | 03:52 |
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| herdingcat | hi, is that worth buying N9 now? | 08:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | herdingcat: perhaps, if you can get a good price on it (definitely no more than $300) | 08:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia's more or less abandoned it and the dev community isn't exactly thriving | 08:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's still probably the best linux phone available | 08:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it looks cool too | 08:19 |
| herdingcat | itsnotabigtruck, I'm from China actually the price is fair to me. I know the development is almost dead but hope community can do sth. | 08:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if you get one, put inception on it | 08:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also consider flashing it from the chinese firmware (variant 003) to the w. europe firmware (001) | 08:22 |
| * herdingcat sighs | 08:23 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | though you'll lose the chinese social apps (but gain the western social apps) | 08:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it's possible to install everything though onto the 001 firmware | 08:23 |
| herdingcat | itsnotabigtruck, I don't care about social stuff there. I'm a sysadmin, so does N9 support Cisco VPN client? | 08:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think somebody was working on hacking something like that together | 08:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cisco's vpn system is proprietary garbage anyway, but that doesn't help you get connected to it | 08:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for that matter connecting to any sort of vpn isn't easy on the n9 | 08:25 |
| herdingcat | itsnotabigtruck, I may use openvpn w/ my token, just the chars size is too small. | 08:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaik openvpn works ok but with zero gui support | 08:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you intend to remote into stuff this is probably the wrong phone to use | 08:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or just use a laptop for such things | 08:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | night! | 08:30 |
| herdingcat | itsnotabigtruck, hmm, why noe? | 08:31 |
| herdingcat | itsnotabigtruck, hmm, why not? | 08:31 |
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| dm8tbr | herdingcat: I'd expect vpnc to work under harmattan too. | 08:47 |
| herdingcat | dm8tbr, do you have thought? | 08:57 |
| pawky|2 | anywhere one can download a vpnc package nowadays? | 08:57 |
| herdingcat | pawky, http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Release/standard/repodata/repoview/vpnc-0-0.5.3-5.1.html | 08:58 |
| pawky|2 | doesn't really look like N9 package to me... | 08:59 |
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| pawky|2 | has nobody compiled and packaged it for the N9 yet? | 09:01 |
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| herdingcat | pawky, you can use the Debian source, it would be good | 09:02 |
| herdingcat | pawky, I guess. | 09:02 |
| dm8tbr | shouldn't be too hard really | 09:02 |
| dm8tbr | getting it access to the right aegisfoo categories might be more challenging ;) | 09:03 |
| dm8tbr | but there just compare with the openvpn package | 09:03 |
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| jonni | pawky|2: I've compiled vpnc for harmattan, works nicely and I can connect to my work just fine. | 09:07 |
| pawky|2 | link? :-) | 09:07 |
| jonni | pawky|2: just havent released it yet, as Im still thinking should I release it as update to coding competition ;) | 09:08 |
| herdingcat | jonni, recompile? | 09:08 |
| pawky|2 | jonni:secret link? :-) | 09:08 |
| jonni | secretlink..../vpnc_0.5.3+rev517_armel.deb ;) just wait a while and it might get released. | 09:19 |
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| dm8tbr | jonni: you'll be a hiro! ;) | 09:30 |
| dm8tbr | s/hiro/hero/ | 09:30 |
| infobot | dm8tbr meant: jonni: you'll be a hero! ;) | 09:30 |
| pawky|2 | jonni: yeah, wny not.. I have been waiting for a year already, another couple of months might not change much. If you need a beta tester however, you know who to page :-) | 09:38 |
| jonni | hmm yes, I might need betatesters, package should work just fine, but I havent been testing postrm/uninstall script that much yet. | 09:39 |
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| pawky|2 | jonni:coun't me in :-) | 09:43 |
| pawky|2 | (count) | 09:44 |
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| jonni | ZogG_lap1op: postman just rang my doorbell, I'm all smiling now :) | 09:52 |
| rantom | jonni: Got a N9(50)? | 09:54 |
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| jonni | rantom: N950 | 09:54 |
| rantom | jonni: Congrats | 09:55 |
| chem|st | jonni: ehrm I know the guys who wrote it personaly, was it that a big issue to port it? if not you should consider it not your work... | 09:56 |
| jonni | chem|st: which app you mean? | 09:56 |
| chem|st | jonni: vpnc | 09:56 |
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| chem|st | jonni: that is unix workgroup material, one wrote it another one ported it to maemo and stuff | 09:57 |
| jonni | chem|st: vpnc from nortel svn:n repos latest revision, basicly crosscompiles without problems, only real work in that is to debianize it and make the aegis manifests. | 09:57 |
| chem|st | jonni: and you fwd it to coding competition? | 09:58 |
| chem|st | just wondering | 09:58 |
| chem|st | if they recognize "packaging" for coding competition fine... | 09:59 |
| jonni | chem|st: havent decided, coding competition accepts updates and ports to that update category, so anyone can port vpnc and release it there. But sure I would prefer that the guys who are official maintainers of vpnc would port it and release it. | 09:59 |
| jonni | chem|st: but its been over an year and vpnc guys still havent released vpnc to harmattan | 10:00 |
| chem|st | jonni: that is what I thought | 10:00 |
| chem|st | jonni: that is because only 2 weeks ago the first n9 hit the workgroup afaik | 10:00 |
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| chem|st | don't know if script got a n950 but if it would have been ported a year ago | 10:01 |
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| jonni | chem|st: sure I can wait untill the last day of the competition and only release it then, if they havent managed to release it by then themselves :) | 10:01 |
| chem|st | just ask him | 10:01 |
| chem|st | ~seen script | 10:02 |
| infobot | script is currently on #maemo, last said: 'sry .. E_WRONGCHAN ...'. | 10:02 |
| chem|st | I actualy don't know if there were any maintainer changes lmc | 10:02 |
| chem|st | jonni: ok the current maintainer is non of our workgroup, at least I do not recognize his name | 10:04 |
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| chem|st | ah he is one of linux-tage.de | 10:05 |
| chem|st | I doubt he will update/upgrade it | 10:06 |
| chem|st | script and Niggurath were the original two guys back in the good'ol days | 10:06 |
| chem|st | ;) | 10:06 |
| chem|st | jonni: forget that I mentioned it, you may be kind enough to drop philipp an email... | 10:07 |
| jonni | rev517 commit was done by Antonio Borneo, havent figured out where he is located yet. | 10:09 |
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| jonni | atleast svn log shows that he has done all the latest commits. | 10:11 |
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| jonni | chem|st: quick google shows him to be working STMicroelectronics in china, do you know him? | 10:12 |
| chem|st | jonni: not personaly, I guess I know some people he knows and we probably met some years ago but I just don't recognize his name :) | 10:13 |
| chem|st | ah you mean antonio borneo? | 10:14 |
| chem|st | no then | 10:14 |
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| Dr_I | hello | 10:34 |
| Dr_I | hei | 10:34 |
| Dr_I | does any one have a spare N950 | 10:35 |
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| chem|st | Dr_I: nokia has some | 10:42 |
| beford | community council has some | 10:43 |
| chem|st | them too | 10:43 |
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| Dr_I | Good to hear | 10:50 |
| Dr_I | tak | 10:51 |
| Dr_I | tak | 10:51 |
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| jonni | heh, I've won two N950's this month from different competitions... and I still plan to do 3 competition entries for different categories for coding competition... :) | 10:57 |
| chem|st | jonni: ehrm pls consider to donate one of them | 10:57 |
| jonni | or just put it on ebay so someone can enjoy it :) | 10:59 |
| jonni | but its nice to have as many backup devices as possible, as they will surely break down at some point, and without backup devices one would be forced to switch to samsung or apple. | 11:01 |
| chem|st | jonni: that is pretty much what I consider to be not the right way | 11:01 |
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| chem|st | jonni: I'd like to have both n950 and n9, for reward I chose n9 as that is the base working for... | 11:03 |
| chem|st | well do what you want | 11:03 |
| jonni | most likely I just give it to my wife as she loves hw keyboard. I already have 3 N9's so I have enough backup devices for that. | 11:03 |
| chem|st | *sigh* sounds like device hording | 11:05 |
| jonni | in a year it will most likely be harder to get hands on working devices, so better to stock up while its still possible. | 11:06 |
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| chem|st | in a year you will get used devices on ebay, like you get n900s now | 11:07 |
| chem|st | at least it is a way to show nokia that lumia sucks... buying n9s in packs of 10... | 11:08 |
| jonni | lumia has beatiful design... :) | 11:13 |
| beford | :P | 11:17 |
| rantom | You can get Lumia 900 for 0.01 $ in Amazon, I think, now. It requires AT&T though, AFAIK | 11:21 |
| rantom | Backup N9 would be nice, preferably in white.. | 11:22 |
| b00^wk | they sell a cheaper pink version here ... | 11:23 |
| rantom | If I'd happen to break my black 64 Gb N9 I'd probably swap the housing to cyan, if it'd fit | 11:24 |
| b00^wk | i cracked screen on my black 64Gb N9 :( | 11:24 |
| rantom | :( | 11:24 |
| b00^wk | those 64gb ones did not go down in price, funny | 11:24 |
| rantom | Replacement parts are popping up though so that shouldn't be an issue? | 11:25 |
| b00^wk | the 16gb pink one goes for like half price | 11:25 |
| rantom | b00^wk: Yeah right. My N9 cost approx. 700 € | 11:25 |
| rantom | Now it costs what, 400 € | 11:25 |
| b00^wk | well i had a plan to get that pink one and take screen out | 11:25 |
| rantom | Thanks, Nokia... | 11:25 |
| b00^wk | no, thats outdated upopular phone | 11:25 |
| b00^wk | un-android :) | 11:25 |
| b00^wk | i think i should go get that pink one .. while they still have it | 11:26 |
| rantom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRKvIg6ubAU this is what I could think of Nokia when I noticed the price drop... | 11:26 |
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| pawky|2 | jonni: can I buy one N950 from you? :-) | 11:27 |
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| rantom | b00^wk: Hmm. I was wrong. The black, 64, did drop in price, but for some reason the white did not drop, or not as dramatically | 11:30 |
| rantom | /etc | 11:31 |
| b00^wk | 300 eur for 16gb one - is that ok or too much now days ? | 11:31 |
| b00^wk | i would like to pay 150 rather ... | 11:31 |
| rantom | Not bad, I think | 11:31 |
| rantom | Lumia is 399, IIRC | 11:31 |
| rantom | (Lumia 800, I mean) | 11:31 |
| b00^wk | can you put Harmattan on Lumia 800 ? | 11:32 |
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| b00^wk | someone told me you can use a hammer on that Lumia's screen - it won't break .. | 11:32 |
| hiemanshu | thats untrue | 11:49 |
| hiemanshu | but you can use it as a hammer for light jobs | 11:49 |
| b00^wk | :P | 11:49 |
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| merlin1991 | hm https://twitter.com/NokiaPilipinas/status/218551355382579201 | 13:30 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: valuable?! | 14:03 |
| merlin1991 | nfc | 14:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | merlin1991: heh | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | small but valuable | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | they better fix the camera | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont give a hoot about nfc | 14:11 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: I meant nfc #maemo style | 14:13 |
| merlin1991 | ~nfc | 14:13 |
| infobot | somebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue, or near field communications | 14:13 |
| Lava_Croft | aah | 14:14 |
| Lava_Croft | no fucking clue:D | 14:14 |
| Lava_Croft | that nfc | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | the former in this case :D | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 14:14 |
| Lava_Croft | they really need to fix the camera | 14:14 |
| Lava_Croft | im leaving my n9 at home now:< | 14:14 |
| Lava_Croft | but just the fact that 1.3 might actually arrive is nice enough | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | what's wrong with the camera? | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | my main problem is, that in my model the rtc is nuts | 14:16 |
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| merlin1991 | phone turned off for a day or two results in a time delta to realtime of about 4 hours | 14:16 |
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| Lava_Croft | they broke the camera in software | 14:16 |
| Lava_Croft | apparently between a beta and the actual pr1.2 | 14:16 |
| Lava_Croft | a lot of times it just doesnt respond at all, or responds after a minute orso | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | and it performs badly a lot of the time, choppier than n900 | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | or it starts up, shows image and after 5 seconds quits responding | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | etc etc :< | 14:17 |
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| Jaffa | merlin1991: Lava_Croft: Seen the blogs aggregating what users hope/want/expect to see in PR1.3? Such classics as "USB OTG support", "Ability to run Android apps", ... | 14:52 |
| Jaffa | "VPN support" and "Editing [MS] Office files" are also fun: http://www.allboutn9.info/2012/06/pr-13-about-to-arrive-pr-14-planned.html | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: one gotta love it how all those "rumor" blogs quote each other and add some more speculation untill the last blog has a huge 100% wrong entry :D | 14:56 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Yup | 14:56 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: i want printing money addon for n9 | 14:56 |
| jonni | funny list, might as well put x-ray camera, bluetooth 4.0, teleportation device :) | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: I heard somewhere that there might be a printing money addon for n9 | 14:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: cool, cool, cool. Would it be updated to making coins in pr1.4 ? | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | I only found out the other day, that the document viewer on harmattan can view .doc files | 14:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: wait ,so i thought you are new guy, but you was at TMO from '07 i see | 14:58 |
| merlin1991 | though it has some difficulties placing headers at the right place :D | 14:58 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i don't use docs | 14:58 |
| ZogG_lap1op | especially on the phone | 14:58 |
| rigo | ZogG_lap1op, why don't you create a company and grab all those devs and create a new ecosystem? That is printing money in a niche between Winfon, Androit/Google-Frontend and iPhone | 14:58 |
| ZogG_lap1op | though some teachers leep doing it | 14:59 |
| ZogG_lap1op | rigo: shhhhhh, why are telling it in front of everyone | 14:59 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: i have dual boot with win on laptop just for office and visual studio | 15:00 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_lap1op: in the company I work design / requirement docs usually come in .doc form | 15:01 |
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| merlin1991 | management / our partners are a bit odd | 15:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: and they use faxes =) | 15:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | there are certain things in the world that should die but they keep on fighting for existence | 15:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | pdf can be opened anywhere on anything today and properly | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_lap1op: worst thing regarding faxes / whatever is our university | 15:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | you can select text and make it unselectable | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | the meeting minutes of one of the important gremiums are done in a pdf | 15:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i think pdf is good | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | but they can't send last meetings minutes to everyone because the archived file is A SCAN OF THE PRINTED PDF | 15:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and i think odf should be worked on harder and be used as international format in any company | 15:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | not because i love opensource (and i do) but because it would be pened in any OS with any operation system and anyone can get free tools to work with it | 15:04 |
| merlin1991 | so the file in question which one can dl from the servers i like 5MB for 2 pages of meeting minutes | 15:04 |
| ZogG_lap1op | while some people just need to open doc once need to buy the whole moffice | 15:05 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: scan of printed pdf? WTF? | 15:06 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 15:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: it's like to rewrite fro printed page to your hand writing and print it like that =) why? if you already have the original | 15:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | fro=from | 15:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: why it can't be shared ower some company server/school server? | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | well they share the scan ove the university server | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | the friggin scan | 15:08 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: i got 17 pnts grade for programming exam, you know why, because of F#$%#@ windows | 15:10 |
| merlin1991 | 17 pnts of how many? | 15:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i was at 4hour exam when i had to finish the C++ program | 15:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: listen to whole story | 15:10 |
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| merlin1991 | :) | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | that sounds like an awfully unstable argument to make | 15:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so i made "save as..." to other partition as we have one shared with queston and one per student to put answers | 15:11 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | so made save as and after that i made save only as i though it would save at new destanation like any other normal app | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | that works fine on my Windows | 15:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so i apperantly send file i worked on for 30 minutes | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 15:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | when the whole exam was 4 hours | 15:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so i got 17 / 100 | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | sounds like meh bug in application | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | not windows itself:< | 15:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Lava_Croft: it's visual studio | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | and? | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | thats not Windows | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | its Visual Studio | 15:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | it's microsoft app for making app | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i use Win7 quite a lot, and what you described works fine over here | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | in a multitude of windows programs | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont use VS tho :X | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | also, this doesnt make it suck any less for you :< | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | it was a local partition? | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | it works fine over here on remote and local partitions | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i would totally go to your school and tell them about this:P | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | poo software | 15:14 |
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| pawky|2 | If school would tell me to do an exam using Windows, i would tell them to go F themselves.. | 15:27 |
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| pawky|2 | And join a more propper school.. | 15:33 |
| rigo | ZogG_lap1op: I would buy such a niche fone for better privacy and less invasive apps | 15:33 |
| rigo | and for the linux / KDE/ QT integration. But in this case, the X Window system on the phone should be able to be exported on the screen of my computer :) | 15:34 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Lava_Croft: i was out sorry | 15:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Lava_Croft: the exam on C:/ or something and you need to make a archive on d:/ with your id name and send thru some app in taskbar, while it's not just drag'n'drop app | 15:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and than the TI man there who needs to take your exam didn't give me to re-check what i sent to double check. | 15:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and i called them asking to give me extra exam or to ask IT ro find file on this computer, but it was loop of them sending me IT-> managment and managment->IT | 15:44 |
| ZogG_lap1op | by IT i mean tech support | 15:44 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | so i got 17/100 points and i know what i wrote it was about 85 grade | 15:44 |
| ZogG_lap1op | anyway life unfair | 15:45 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i'll take this same course this summer, while i wouldn't go there, simple as that, just HW. did it first time too =) | 15:45 |
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| trx | i need to go again.. :/ i'll be back in an hour or two | 15:57 |
| trx | bye | 15:57 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | ~ping | 17:43 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | jonni: no mail yet? =( | 17:43 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | beford: sup | 17:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i read the log, yu got the phone without mail, maybe coz you ex-nokia =) | 17:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: mazal tov | 18:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | phako: n9 or n950 | 18:14 |
| phako | n9 | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | phako: and you wanted n9 or n950? | 18:14 |
| phako | wanted one | 18:14 |
| phako | n9 | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you have ow two =) | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i got n950 | 18:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | not yet but on it's way | 18:15 |
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| beford | hey ZogG_laptop | 18:23 |
| beford | awesome! | 18:23 |
| beford | ZogG_laptop, btw nokia QA claimed I was vioalating IPr by using the audioscrobbler logo | 18:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 18:24 |
| beford | they probably did not check that I am not including it in my package :p | 18:24 |
| beford | nokia already includes it in the icon theme | 18:24 |
| beford | so i answered that | 18:24 |
| beford | lets see if pr 1.3 removes that logo? | 18:24 |
| beford | xD | 18:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: for logo (as i can't use icon) i just scroted the i from imgur site logo =) | 18:24 |
| beford | hah yea | 18:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: what logo btw? can you link me to it and is it released — i mean the app? | 18:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | ☺ | 18:26 |
| beford | it should be on your device even if you dont have the app | 18:27 |
| beford | icon-m-service-lastfm.png | 18:27 |
| beford | something along those lines | 18:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 18:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want to install your app already | 18:28 |
| beford | oh | 18:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: btw looking forward to support meeplay =) | 18:28 |
| beford | let me get the deb and upload it | 18:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: btw should i uninistall the one from maemo? i used mamemo's one to scrobble | 18:29 |
| beford | I used the same package name so they should conflict | 18:29 |
| beford | or appear as an updated package | 18:29 |
| beford | mm nokia publish and its sso thing | 18:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | you should harmattase the name | 18:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | meesupermegaharmattanscrobblerofthefuture_0.1_armel.deb | 18:31 |
| beford | lol | 18:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85103&highlight=playmee | 18:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: btw my jabber is zogg@noicq.org | 18:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you want to add me | 18:35 |
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| beford | sure | 18:38 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: I got it without email because they used finnish postal office, which doesnt send emails, vs dhl for other countries. | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh right | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw you still at nokia or other job already? | 22:08 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: still at nokia for about 2 months or so. | 22:09 |
| jonni | after that I will most likely take the severance package, but lets see. | 22:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: =\ | 22:31 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: I have some jobinterviews booked already, so towards new opportunities... :) | 22:43 |
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