| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: btw i saw carddav app on android that supports even icloud, it might be good to make one for sync =) | 00:00 |
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| Venemo_N9 | ZogG_lap1op, mhm | 00:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: it works nice with google and icloud as i checked on new android nexus of my neightbour | 00:04 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: btw how do you apply to bb10dev? | 00:04 |
| Venemo_N9 | I have no clue | 00:04 |
| Venemo_N9 | I don't have that bb device, so I can't test or port my app on it | 00:05 |
| rzr | how cool is bb10dev ? | 00:09 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | rzr: Jaffa is one to tell but he is silent, maybe there is bb10 chan here? | 00:18 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | rzr: nope =( | 00:19 |
| ZogG_lap1op | DocScrutinizer: you can registr those =P | 00:19 |
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| heymaster | what to set flickable contentheight if i have bunch Items elements(with label and textfield) ? (qml) | 00:59 |
| heymaster | if it was image like in qml examples so everything clear, but if have bunch of elements | 01:00 |
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| mrbluesky | i assume you use row or column to position the items, just use the height or childrenRect.height of the positioners | 01:10 |
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| heymaster | mrbluesky: I'm not using column or row :) | 01:12 |
| trx | heymaster i have no idea, but an idea comes to my mind if your items inside the flickable are not dynamicaly created(by that i dont mean lists) | 01:13 |
| trx | you can create a dummy item | 01:13 |
| heymaster | trx: yes i tried it | 01:14 |
| trx | that has its anchors.top: firstitem.top; anchors.bottom:lastitem.bottom | 01:14 |
| trx | and use its height | 01:14 |
| trx | you tried this? | 01:14 |
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| heymaster | trx: i tried to set height and width of child element, but not tried to set top and bottom anchors | 01:16 |
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| trx | try this... leave everything like you would, but add an additional Item | 01:16 |
| trx | this Item has anchors.top:yourFistItem.top; anchors.bottom:yourLastItem.bottom | 01:17 |
| trx | this way, this Item will always have the height of the content | 01:17 |
| trx | then you can use that value for Flickable.contentHeight | 01:18 |
| trx | do you understand what i mean? | 01:18 |
| heymaster | trx: yes | 01:18 |
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| heymaster | trx: QML Flickable: Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling. | 01:20 |
| trx | dont anchor the flickable to that item, set its contentHeight to dummyItem.height | 01:21 |
| heymaster | ahh | 01:23 |
| heymaster | will try | 01:23 |
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| AlphaX2 | hi again | 01:44 |
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| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: rZr: pong | 09:33 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, any idea how to make birthday events alarm ring on the actual day and not two days before? | 09:36 |
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| Saviq | hi all, anyone managed to make messageserver behave? every time I try to get my emails the messageserver process hogs the cpu until the battery dies... | 10:17 |
| mgedmin | Saviq, I have seen that problem | 10:20 |
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| mgedmin | I mostly ignore it and either kill messageserver from the terminal or reboot (or my phone's battery dies) | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | I saw a workaround on a blog post by konttori once, I never tried it | 10:21 |
| mgedmin | it involved rm'ing some ~/.qsomething directory and re-creating the email accounts by hand | 10:21 |
| mgedmin | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/10/n9-on-sale-in-finland-and-few-other.html | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | reformatted here for better readability: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79248 | 10:22 |
| gabriel9|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2ZTkTM9L8&feature=player_embedded | 10:22 |
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| Saviq | mgedmin, yeah, I'm killing ms, too, but I'm never getting the emails then... | 10:24 |
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| Saviq | mgedmin, and anyway I don't always notice | 10:24 |
| Saviq | and then it's too late | 10:24 |
| mgedmin | the problem seems to go away by itself, sometimes -- occasionally I was able to check my mail | 10:24 |
| mgedmin | (although last time I did so, my phone's battery died in a few hours, quite unexpectedly. I didn't notice if messageserver was CPU-hogging or not) | 10:25 |
| Saviq | mgedmin, thanks for the links, let's try `rm -Rf ~/.qmf` | 10:25 |
| Saviq | so when is PR1.3 (that's supposedly has a fix for messageserver) expected? | 10:30 |
| * mgedmin just hopes the devs who were working on PR1.3 weren't laid off recently | 10:31 | |
| Saviq | true | 10:32 |
| Saviq | well, we do own a stillborn phone, after all... | 10:32 |
| mgedmin | call it an orphan, rather | 10:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 reads "konttori" and sighs | 10:42 | |
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| Saviq | well, removing ~/.qmf seems to have helped, I wonder how long will it stick | 10:48 |
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| denism | regarding PR1.3 - at least it is nice that there is no any leaks anymore :) | 11:09 |
| ieatlint | don't let anyone ever tell you that you're anything other than optimistic | 11:14 |
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| AlphaX2 | hi guys got strange problem | 11:28 |
| AlphaX2 | yesterday I copied some image files from a friends PC to N9 ~10GB later I renamed the folder and today I found the folder empty! BUT my memory is nearly full - so the data must be there!? Any advice?! | 11:30 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: wonders of FAT32. | 12:04 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 12:05 |
| AlphaX2 | TestDisk | 12:05 |
| sahib_ | were you able to retrieve the file(s)? | 12:05 |
| AlphaX2 | it seems that only the "folder" was deleted all content is there so it was no problem to copy them | 12:05 |
| sahib_ | cool. | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | BUT | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | I don't know how to delete the files | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | I mean - very cool to have some "ultra hide" files^^ | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | but costs lot of memory :D | 12:06 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: just run fsck on the device | 12:06 |
| AlphaX2 | from terminal | 12:07 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: yeah, or through mass storage mode | 12:07 |
| AlphaX2 | ? | 12:07 |
| AlphaX2 | is it in sbin? | 12:07 |
| sahib_ | /sbin/fsck.vfat | 12:08 |
| sahib_ | buuut, you should ideally unmount the device prior to running fsck | 12:08 |
| sahib_ | or, remount it as read-only | 12:08 |
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| AlphaX2 | okay | 12:11 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm there seems to be something very wrong | 12:12 |
| AlphaX2 | also GParted thinks it's not used spaced | 12:12 |
| AlphaX2 | strange Ubuntu can use it like everytime | 12:14 |
| AlphaX2 | sahib_ Is it maybe the best solution to backup all data and format that memory? | 12:21 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: that would ensure consistency in the filesystem, provided that the flash memory is still working properly | 12:28 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm arg | 12:28 |
| AlphaX2 | any chance to test it? TestDisk told me that the structure is good | 12:29 |
| AlphaX2 | but some "boot" sector stuff wasn't but o idea if this is necessary on a memory for data | 12:30 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: boot sector is irrelevant | 12:32 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 12:33 |
| AlphaX2 | so It would be interessting what caused this error | 12:33 |
| AlphaX2 | :-/ | 12:33 |
| sahib_ | it's only used if you're booting on a computer/device which utilises a BIOS | 12:33 |
| sahib_ | but, format the device and see if the error(s) persists | 12:33 |
| AlphaX2 | I thought this ... ;) | 12:33 |
| AlphaX2 | was the first time ever | 12:34 |
| AlphaX2 | don't know why | 12:34 |
| AlphaX2 | normally I'm using it via sftp | 12:34 |
| AlphaX2 | not as mass storage | 12:34 |
| sahib_ | strange... an unproper unmount can generate weird fs artifacts, especially in non-redundant fs such as FAT | 12:35 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm okay maybe my evil friend did not unmount it "save" in it's (stupid) Win^^ | 12:35 |
| AlphaX2 | :D | 12:36 |
| AlphaX2 | Is it possible to format MyDocs in any other file system as well? | 12:36 |
| sahib_ | yep. it's possible to format it in any of the fs that are compiled in to the kernel / available as modules | 12:38 |
| sahib_ | but, I don't know if formatting it in a different FS will lead to other strange behaviour. haven't tried it myself as of yet | 12:38 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 12:38 |
| AlphaX2 | :-/ | 12:38 |
| AlphaX2 | Maybe I will investigate this a bit | 12:39 |
| sahib_ | but it should work just fine | 12:39 |
| AlphaX2 | a stable ext3 or something like this seems much better ;) | 12:39 |
| sahib_ | as FAT32 really is a very very rudimentary FS. | 12:39 |
| sahib_ | indeed. | 12:39 |
| sahib_ | anything with journaling is nice in my book. | 12:39 |
| AlphaX2 | only one aspect could be a problem - using under windows^^ | 12:40 |
| AlphaX2 | but okay for me it's not a big problem - everything is running Linux | 12:40 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm | 12:40 |
| AlphaX2 | not sure | 12:40 |
| AlphaX2 | okay just checking the FS | 12:40 |
| sahib_ | also, there are ext2/3 drivers for windows, AFAIK | 12:40 |
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| AlphaX2 | Reclaimed 85568 unused clusters (5607784448 bytes). | 12:42 |
| AlphaX2 | Free cluster summary wrong (213752 vs. really 384870) | 12:42 |
| AlphaX2 | could be the files | 12:42 |
| AlphaX2 | ? | 12:42 |
| sahib_ | yeah. did fsck or chkdsk report this? | 12:43 |
| AlphaX2 | fsck | 12:43 |
| sahib_ | okay. so just remove the files that fsck generated, and the space should be reclaimed. | 12:44 |
| AlphaX2 | but strange - if I am selecting correct he leaves without changes | 12:44 |
| AlphaX2 | there are no files? | 12:45 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: what flags are you invoking fsck with? | 12:45 |
| AlphaX2 | was just running fsck /dev/sdb from linux | 12:46 |
| AlphaX2 | with unmounted N9 storage | 12:46 |
| sahib_ | okay. /sbin/fsck.vfat -a -f -t -V /dev/sdb | 12:47 |
| sahib_ | should do a thorough check and dump missing data to files | 12:47 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 12:48 |
| AlphaX2 | thanks | 12:48 |
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| AlphaX2 | okay is running now and seems to take some time :) | 12:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: =( | 13:01 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: yeah, it'll take a while :-) | 13:12 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 13:13 |
| AlphaX2 | got some of these messages: Orphaned long file name part "mythremote" | 13:13 |
| AlphaX2 | Auto-deleting. | 13:13 |
| sahib_ | alright. | 13:13 |
| sahib_ | once fsck has completed you'll see whether there are any orphaned files. | 13:13 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 13:18 |
| AlphaX2 | they can be deleted and than everything should be fine? | 13:18 |
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| sahib_ | AlphaX2: in a perfect world, at any rate :-) | 13:29 |
| AlphaX2 | hahhahah | 13:30 |
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| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: Was something about BB10? | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: Ah, read scrollback. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | rZr: BB10 Dev is quite cool. The Eclipse SDK is nice, and the BB10 platform (from the demos I've seen) looks quite nice. Could easily see it being a replacement for my N9, if it delivers on its promise. | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: yes and i searched for you before as well | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: how did you get one btw? | 13:44 |
| * Jaffa is here during the day, but evenings/night will usually be picked up only during the next day | 13:44 | |
| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: Attended the (free) BlackBerry 10 Dev Jam World Tour in London | 13:44 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: i wish i could | 13:45 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: i posted the howto, but i think it needs to be checked and maybe improved. would like you to see | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | ZogG_lap1op: Oh, I saw. Looked like a good next iteration | 13:46 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: it's in the thread (not the pastebin) | 13:46 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Jaffa: and yes it took me a lot of times till i got there | 13:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | still few things are unclear | 13:47 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | but the way you added about changing and adding rules in QtCreator may mess things up. i think phako's way to do it in script is better and to keep things still commented is good idea | 13:48 |
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| * xarcass also got BB10 device yesterday.. | 14:00 | |
| spenap | xarcass: did you keep a copy of the agreement when they gave you the device? | 14:03 |
| xarcass | spenap: no, haven't thought about it. does it really matter? i haven't even read it, in fact | 14:04 |
| spenap | xarcass: that's something I'd like to know. I fast-read it, it was about they being able to ask the device back and that kind of things | 14:05 |
| spenap | but I'd like to see a digital copy | 14:05 |
| xarcass | spenap: well, i can't even remember that there was such agreement. i've just signed up some application of a sort.. | 14:05 |
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| xarcass | spenap: in my experience, vendors never call their devices back | 14:06 |
| spenap | xarcass: yes, it's not that I'm afraid of they calling it back, but rather that I'd like to see which other rights they keep for themselves | 14:06 |
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| xarcass | spenap: rights? these are not among things I usually care about.. It says on the back of the device that it's RIM property - not a big deal.. | 14:08 |
| ZogG_lap1op | oh you talking about bb10 i thought u talk about n9 | 14:15 |
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| AlphaX2 | sahib_ lol I went out and let it fsck run but it's not finished - 2,5h?^^ | 15:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | rZr: http://projects.developer.nokia.com/meedav | 15:24 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: a shitload of data ;-) | 15:27 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe it's a 64GB version with ~60% filled | 15:27 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 15:27 |
| sahib_ | ohwell :-) | 15:29 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: how is it even possible? | 15:36 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i have user data 28.6 gb | 15:37 |
| AlphaX2 | what? | 15:37 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and i even don't knwo where it comes from — probably the music i listen in flac is related | 15:37 |
| AlphaX2 | How to fill ~60%? | 15:37 |
| ZogG_lap1op | yeah | 15:37 |
| AlphaX2 | first of all music, followed by pictures and vids (720p recorded) | 15:38 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 15:38 |
| AlphaX2 | only while developing FotoShare I shot up to 100 pics per day^^ | 15:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i never tried 720p video record, how is it? | 15:39 |
| AlphaX2 | And I am a bit lazy :) | 15:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: you use webdab right? | 15:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: btw to share to dropbox and other oauth services what do you use? | 15:39 |
| AlphaX2 | 720p is set as standard in my camera application ;) | 15:39 |
| AlphaX2 | Works well, but sometimes, if you move fast it "breaks" your pic, like there is no VSynch | 15:40 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 15:40 |
| AlphaX2 | FotoShareN9 supports at the moment Dropbox, ftp, sftp and scp | 15:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: for dropbox you used what? | 15:41 |
| AlphaX2 | for dropbox I am using standard Dropbox API Python package | 15:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: =\ | 15:41 |
| AlphaX2 | ? | 15:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | frals: ping | 15:41 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: having issues with OAuth or what? | 15:41 |
| AlphaX2 | what? | 15:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: yes and yes | 15:41 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: okay. I'm using QOAuth atm, it gets the job done. | 15:42 |
| AlphaX2 | Who have problems realted to oauth? | 15:42 |
| AlphaX2 | For which application? | 15:42 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: i have two options, in one i use it from app with oauth2 plugin on harmattan and i get token and secret but got confused making signature for requests. and second option is to use accounts, and i did one but it doesn't keep token, so i need to know how to request it from the app and has no idea how to do, i mean account+app integration, all data i see in account is username | 15:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: i wanted to go native way but i think it wouldn't work | 15:44 |
| sahib_ | okay. can't you just save the token and secrettoken locally, and load them when the application loads? | 15:44 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: been looking in to that lately too... but I don't have much time to develop for harmattan, unfortunately... | 15:44 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: i can but than i wouldn't be able to use account plugin =\ | 15:44 |
| sahib_ | hmm... | 15:45 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: so i think i need to learn to use extrenal lib in my app (for deployment with no deps, as COBS and i think ovi do not support it) | 15:45 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and than integrate it in my app | 15:45 |
| AlphaX2 | For me the official sdk (python lib) allows to call a Methode which connects with a accesstoken | 15:46 |
| AlphaX2 | the access token is saved localy | 15:46 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: I looked in to it a while back, but documentation was lacking when it comes to signon/accounts | 15:46 |
| sahib_ | but I found some source code that exemplified it... | 15:47 |
| AlphaX2 | sorry that I can't help you with this | 15:47 |
| AlphaX2 | sahib_ YAY it finished! :D | 15:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: i managed to make an account, and call it from app, but i'm noobie and got a lot help. now i don't know how to use that account as it doesn't save token and related data in it | 15:47 |
| AlphaX2 | which token? | 15:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: i may show you the code if you interested | 15:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: oauth token as we speak of it | 15:48 |
| vi__ | how well does Easy debian run on Harmattan. | 15:48 |
| vi__ | ? | 15:48 |
| AlphaX2 | YOU have to request a access token with the secret and bla Dropbox gives you | 15:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i think it's only works in openmode | 15:48 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: yes, but the question is how to preserve the authentication token between restarts of the app, I believe | 15:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~openmode | 15:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~openkernel | 15:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~open | 15:49 |
| infobot | somebody said open was illustrated instructions to open ipaq 38xx can be found at http://www.forthfreak.net/ipaq/open3800.jpg | 15:49 |
| vi__ | lol | 15:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | doc with his bot =) | 15:49 |
| AlphaX2 | you have to save the token in your apps cfg or something like that | 15:49 |
| vi__ | what do you lose if you switch to open mode? | 15:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i think inception may let you, the one itsnotabigtruck wrote =) | 15:49 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: that's what I do, but I use a third-party oauth lib | 15:49 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: co-wrote. | 15:49 |
| AlphaX2 | okay and? | 15:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: it's not stable afaik and you can read a huge post on TMO | 15:50 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: btw, did fsck find any inconsistencies? :) | 15:50 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: what do you mean co-wrote? who else was involved? | 15:50 |
| vi__ | Is there an article you can point me to that discusses the pros and cons of open mode? | 15:50 |
| AlphaX2 | nope just "Unable to create unique name" | 15:50 |
| AlphaX2 | in the end | 15:50 |
| AlphaX2 | nothing else | 15:50 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: first cons is that you get warning everytime and no warranty (but it think you may somehow get rid of it) | 15:51 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_lap1op is the Dropbox part also an extern lib? | 15:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82114&highlight=openmode | 15:51 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: If I can get rid of N900 5 dots startup screen I think I can get rid of warning. | 15:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: it's not that kind warnings and it's not maemo5 =) | 15:52 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i had few red messanges on the screen while boot like frequent reboots warning and corrupted firmware and other things, never paid attention to it. i think coderus got rid of them, i may ask him as i chat with him now | 15:53 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: as you see in post there is discussing on inception, i think it's better way to go | 15:55 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i remember there was problem with flashing or something with openmode, but i heard a little of it here a long time ago so it might be different | 15:56 |
| * vi__ ...reading | 15:56 | |
| vi__ | But what do you lose when you go to open mode? | 15:57 |
| aard_ | vi__: secure credentials storing | 15:57 |
| vi__ | What do you gain? | 15:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579 - this is sum up on open kernel itself - you might read it first | 15:57 |
| vi__ | ty | 15:57 |
| vi__ | much obliged | 15:57 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | np | 16:02 |
| vi__ | Is the N9 unbrickable like the n900? I.e. flashing will sove anything? | 16:02 |
| vi__ | ^solve | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | So now my MyDocs storage is fixed I can work a bit on my code^^ | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | thanks sahib_ | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | thank you very much! | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 16:02 |
| sahib_ | AlphaX2: no worries, mate :-) | 16:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: should be in idea, but you know.. ithere were cases here and there, anyway the best person to ask for help if you have problem is jonni | 16:02 |
| AlphaX2 | But just same problem as yesterday - I don't know how to check if a data connection is active or not | 16:03 |
| AlphaX2 | I'll try a bit...^^ | 16:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: https://github.com/harmattan/imgrup | 16:03 |
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| vi__ | No problems, just asking questions. | 16:05 |
| vi__ | As far as I can see there is no cost to using the openmode kernel. | 16:05 |
| AlphaX2 | Passwords not saved | 16:05 |
| vi__ | AlphaX2: including wifi keys? | 16:06 |
| AlphaX2 | So you have to type them everytime | 16:06 |
| AlphaX2 | Hmm not sure about wifi | 16:06 |
| vi__ | AlphaX2: email passwords? | 16:06 |
| AlphaX2 | but Facebook and all kinds of Accounts as far as I know | 16:06 |
| * vi__ has no FB | 16:06 | |
| vi__ | what about skype and SIP? | 16:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: if you run from termianl and upload you'll see all data in account stored | 16:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: all this is not saed | 16:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: all native accounts use signon thing | 16:07 |
| vi__ | aegis, your breaking my balls. | 16:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: look into inception + opensh + and sudo from coderus | 16:08 |
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| AlphaX2 | hehe everybody loves aegis | 16:08 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 16:08 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: I'll have a look in a bit, at work ATM :-) | 16:08 |
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| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: Apologies for being a jerk lately. Hopefully we can collude in taking maemo 5/6 to the next level. | 16:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: btw i checked twitter and it has not token as well, i hope for example from frals of how to use account plugins with signon | 16:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i don't have anything personal to you, as there is no reason. but after that fight i have problems with 1 person personally and with council, but we wouldn't get into it, would we? =) | 16:11 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: btw got your device already? | 16:11 |
| vi__ | No, not yet. | 16:11 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: still no mail here =\ | 16:11 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: You win one too? | 16:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i think i might not get it after all this mess =) but what can i say | 16:12 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: yes, in other competition. i just saw how slow people apply and what other apps are, so i felt that i should try and what can you say - i got chosen =) | 16:13 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: N950? | 16:13 |
| AlphaX2 | No mail here too | 16:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: for imgrup app, i deployed it to ovi and apps4meego, that was contest about - to promote to ovi apps you wrote | 16:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i don't think n950. i'm 25 of 25 and people before requested n950, so i think i would be left with n9 | 16:14 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: But you have an N9? | 16:14 |
| vi__ | already? | 16:14 |
| ZogG_lap1op | on one hand i want n950 on other the pixel syndrome is scary =( | 16:14 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: yes i do have, now my gf would have one | 16:15 |
| vi__ | What is pixel syndrome? | 16:15 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i bought one even there is no in my country | 16:15 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: it's when pixel is dead and than it spreads all over the screen =( | 16:15 |
| vi__ | ZogG_lap1op: This happens to N950s? | 16:15 |
| trx | mine works perfectly, i found no problems with it except for poor cell signal reception | 16:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: yes, it was few people who had it and than few more and i think it's like usb thing with n900 | 16:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | trx: give it a time | 16:17 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i think about 10 people had it =( | 16:17 |
| trx | well, they had it soon after they received it | 16:17 |
| trx | i have it for a year now i think, no problems | 16:17 |
| ZogG_lap1op | trx: damagedspine got it now while he has n950 for a year too i think | 16:18 |
| AlphaX2 | a friend also have n950 with pixel errors - he contacted nokia and they send him a new one! | 16:18 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: the problem is that at some point they'll get out of n950 | 16:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i want n950 on one hand but on other it's scary | 16:20 |
| AlphaX2 | sure but better to have a new one, and the old one ;) instead of having only a defect device | 16:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AlphaX2: they send you an extra? i don't think so, as people would lie | 16:21 |
| AlphaX2 | They send a new one without any restrictions | 16:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: btw i would like to see your app with qouath if it's open source. i started tumblr client a while ago and stopped =( | 16:22 |
| trx | i wouldn't worry about dead pixels | 16:22 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: sure thing. just need to package it | 16:22 |
| trx | n950 is a great device and its worth having | 16:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i miss the keyboard feeling =) | 16:22 |
| trx | even if it dies prematurely | 16:22 |
| trx | you wont regret it :) | 16:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: it's for harmattan/freemantle? | 16:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | trx: so i hope i get one, but for now i didn't get any mail at all and devices are sent, so it means i have less annd less chance for n950 | 16:24 |
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| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: yes. | 16:25 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: than i suggest yu to add it to harmattan repo on github or at least clone it there | 16:27 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: not on github, I believe... I'll just DCC it to you. | 16:29 |
| sahib_ | mind you, the release I'm packaging is a bit borked, as it is WIP | 16:29 |
| sahib_ | but OAuth parts are sold | 16:29 |
| sahib_ | solid | 16:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: so you dont make it public or something against github? | 16:29 |
| sahib_ | ZogG_lap1op: no, everything in its own time :-) | 16:30 |
| sahib_ | release when ready, and so on | 16:30 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | oh, it's respectable | 16:30 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sahib_: than better an email i think | 16:30 |
| sahib_ | ok, PM addy | 16:30 |
| sahib_ | as the IRC log is public and you'll get spam | 16:30 |
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| vi__ | Did they figure out the N950 FM tranmitter yet? | 16:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | don't think so | 16:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | reciver only AFAIK | 16:49 |
| kimju | no antenna for transmitter. | 16:51 |
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| vi__ | kimju: connector on PCB? | 16:52 |
| kimju | afaik no. | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | There is likely required an antenna, and several additional components, in order to properly do a transmitter. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's unlikely these components have been placed. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | So even if the chip is technically capable of transmitting, it will do nothing if you turn it on. | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if you were to connect an antenna somewhere. | 16:56 |
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| Tronic | Btw, is there a separate chip for FM radio or does that come together with something else? It would seem strange for Nokia to put in the hardware if they are not going to use the feature. | 17:20 |
| Elleo | Tronic: it's part of the bluetooth chipset iirc | 17:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Elleo: sup man | 17:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | long time no see | 17:25 |
| Elleo | ZogG_lap1op: hey | 17:25 |
| Elleo | been rather distracted at work | 17:25 |
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| jonni | vi__: only thing that you lose in open mode is access to CAL, ie lockcode query will not work. Everything else will work, including password (alphax was wrong). | 17:30 |
| jonni | vi__: and you gain ability to install anything as any origin, ie you can install your deb packages as nokia origin or ovi origin etc. | 17:32 |
| jonni | vi__: hopefully someday someone will release alternate lockscreend which works without CAL access. but untill that day openmode devices security is not that good. | 17:35 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Elleo: at least you have work | 17:39 |
| vi__ | jonni: I never use a code on lockscreen. It sounds like open mode is all win. | 17:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Elleo: i failed the test and it was stupid, only one part actually was hard and google didn't help me | 17:39 |
| vi__ | ~CAL | 17:39 |
| infobot | cal is, like, a calendar. try $(cal 1752) | 17:39 |
| jonni | vi__: and there is the negative side, if there is ever a PR1.3 upgrade, then you cannot upgrade over the air, but need a reflash. | 17:40 |
| vi__ | jonni: is that SIM lockcode query? | 17:40 |
| jonni | vi__: that is lockcode query, simlock query will works just fine. | 17:40 |
| vi__ | Is openmode the same as developer mode? | 17:41 |
| jonni | vi__: nope, developer mode is just a bit relaxed mode in closed mode, but it doesnt allow you to install as nokia origin, only openmode will allow that. | 17:42 |
| ZogG_lap1op | jonni: i still think inception is better | 17:42 |
| ZogG_lap1op | it's like root | 17:42 |
| ZogG_lap1op | when you have almost full access | 17:42 |
| vi__ | jonni: Does aegis stop me from editing files in /etc/ for example? | 17:43 |
| jonni | vi__: well yes, if you use exploits you can do all the same things as in openmode. | 17:43 |
| jonni | vi__: yes and no, aegis will stop you if you edit a file which is protected and you dont resign hash list. but if you edit and resign the haslist, aegis will not stop you. | 17:44 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: inception + opensh | 17:44 |
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| vi__ | Does harmattan use upstart | 17:45 |
| vi__ | ? | 17:45 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | upstart? | 17:53 |
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| jonni | you can easily see that it does, if you just ls /etc/init, so that goes under nonsense questions. | 17:57 |
| vi__ | jonni: not really. | 18:07 |
| vi__ | 1. I do not have a harmattan device. | 18:07 |
| vi__ | 2. Upstart does not use the scripts in /etc/init | 18:07 |
| jonni | 2. each upstart script are by default in /etc/init/<job>.conf, if your system has different upstart path, then its not using default paths. | 18:10 |
| vi__ | ... upstart scripts are in /etc/event.d not /etc/init.d | 18:12 |
| vi__ | and many applications do not add their scritps to /etc/init.d | 18:12 |
| jonni | etc/init.d scripts has nothing to do with etc/init upstart path | 18:13 |
| jonni | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html it will clearly say that upstart uses /etc/init as their default jobs. | 18:14 |
| vi__ | well is N900 or Ubuntu paths canon? | 18:15 |
| jonni | vi__: if you use older version of upstart like in ubuntu 8.04 if still uses /etc/event.d, but that is the obsolete path, nowadays upstart uses /etc/init. | 18:17 |
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| jonni | harmattan uses the new upstart, thus /etc/init/ | 18:18 |
| ZogG_lap1op | btw why they changed in new udev(i think it's udev related) form /media/mnt_point to /run/media/$username/mnt_point for media mount? | 18:20 |
| jonni | (like ununtu 10.04 and newer use also /etc/init/) | 18:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | though it's not harmattan related | 18:20 |
| jonni | s/ununtu/ubuntu/ | 18:21 |
| infobot | jonni meant: (like ubuntu 10.04 and newer use also /etc/init/) | 18:21 |
| jonni | ZogG_lap1op: still no email I presume, atleast no news still on my side. | 18:22 |
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| rzr | hi | 20:24 |
| rzr | some of my friends told me that n9 64GB behave differently than 16GB??? | 20:25 |
| phako | like when? | 20:27 |
| aard_ | rzr: yes, you can put more pr0n on it | 20:30 |
| rzr | no idea, speed ? | 20:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have no idea. | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no n9. | 20:30 |
| aard_ | it's exactly same, apart from the memory. the os and application partitions are exactly same on both versions, the only difference is the size of the fat partition | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not quite implausible emmc speed may differ | 20:31 |
| rzr | may be different firmware | 20:32 |
| aard_ | no, firmware is exactly the same | 20:32 |
| rzr | i mean my friend have been compared 2 w/ different fw | 20:33 |
| aard_ | ah, yes, that's possible | 20:33 |
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| denism | emmc speed may differ even between different 16GB models | 20:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | That too, of course. | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant systematic differences. | 20:49 |
| rzr | there are also the made in china vs finland | 20:49 |
| denism | yes, as there might be different EMMC manufacturer, like Numonyx / Samsung and so on | 20:49 |
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| rzr | what are the main diff between the .fi and .cn ones ? | 20:51 |
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| jonni | there really shouldn't be any differences, sometimes components may vary though depending on manufacturing date. | 21:03 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: ping | 21:07 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: what is the licence for the source code of apps4meego ? I do not have find any such information in the codebase, nor in the projectroot. | 21:08 |
| rzr | it's in gitorious i think | 21:08 |
| djszapi | for the server side. | 21:08 |
| djszapi | rzr: it is not | 21:08 |
| djszapi | rzr: it is github, but I fail to find licence information. :/ | 21:08 |
| rzr | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-applications/meego-apps-client/ | 21:09 |
| rzr | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-applications/meego-apps-client/blobs/master/COPYING | 21:09 |
| djszapi | client != server | 21:09 |
| rzr | ok | 21:09 |
| djszapi | https://github.com/nemein/ | 21:09 |
| rzr | thats what i guessed | 21:10 |
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| rzr | i guess you're thinking about the migration | 21:10 |
| djszapi | well, money can migrate into my pocket. | 21:11 |
| rzr | or out | 21:11 |
| djszapi | how is that possible with an empty pocket ? :D | 21:12 |
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| djszapi | sup ajalkane | 23:32 |
| ajalkane | hi dj | 23:33 |
| ajalkane | Was it nice QtCS? | 23:33 |
| djszapi | yeah, and goto Tallinn on Friday morning for aKademy. | 23:33 |
| ajalkane | Cool. Tallinn is very nice during this time of year. Beatiful city. | 23:34 |
| djszapi | so not rainy like here every single day xD | 23:34 |
| ajalkane | haha who knows... but the chances for non-rainy days are quite a lot bigger | 23:34 |
| ajalkane | so you're hating the irish weather? | 23:35 |
| djszapi | lol it is more like ocean'ish weather than Irish. | 23:35 |
| ajalkane | haha... now you know whey they like to drink beer and hang in pubs | 23:36 |
| djszapi | we have now this Volvo Ocean Race. | 23:37 |
| ajalkane | Volvo racing in bottom of sea? | 23:38 |
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