| ieatlint | but you're probably going to cause yourself more of a headache trying to use the mtf widgets than just accepting the javascript based bizarreness of qml | 00:00 |
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| pa | yeah i guess | 00:00 |
| pa | so i probably have to dive into qtquick | 00:01 |
| pa | any great starting point? | 00:01 |
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| ieatlint | i don't have any good suggestions... someone else in here hopefully will | 00:02 |
| ieatlint | have fun though, it's a headache :P | 00:02 |
| pa | hmm :) | 00:02 |
| pa | i but btw is it true nokia fired a lot of qt developers? | 00:05 |
| beford | yes | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | there's no public statement to that effect, and i dunno much beyond that | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | hah, ouch then :/ | 00:07 |
| beford | https://twitter.com/#!/savola https://twitter.com/#!/tuomotanskanen and a couple more I've seen on twitter | 00:08 |
| beford | https://twitter.com/felipec/statuses/213225983849934849 | 00:09 |
| pa | rip nokia | 00:09 |
| pa | and poor guys :( | 00:11 |
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| beford | yea sucks | 00:15 |
| pa | i wonder whether elop lives in finland.. | 00:15 |
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| beford | elopcalypse | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | 2.0 | 00:17 |
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| ieatlint | i'm getting vivid memories of the burning platform metaphors | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | funny how that only seems more true today | 00:19 |
| npm | https://www.google.com/search?q=selop+trollface does not yet return interesting results | 00:19 |
| npm | elopcalypsalooza | 00:19 |
| pa | funny they kill maemo and they keep symbian, tho | 00:20 |
| pa | (still) | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | symbian has a huge user base and app base | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | but they are killing it | 00:21 |
| npm | https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23elopcalypsalooza | 00:22 |
| npm | i call a hashtag | 00:23 |
| pa | i mean, considering that the users are becoming dumber and dumber, this strategy might actually work, as long as they keep good phone designers | 00:23 |
| pa | at least work for a while | 00:23 |
| npm | so is that where the 1.3 update went?? | 00:23 |
| npm | or will there be one still? | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | i wouldn't be either way | 00:24 |
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| pa | lets hope they release the source code of everything, at least | 00:25 |
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| ieatlint | highly unlikely | 00:26 |
| pa | i wonder how easy would it be to port it to some other chip, like omap4/5 or snapdragon | 00:26 |
| pa | well.. if i were one of the fired guys, i would make sure this would happen, in a way or another | 00:27 |
| juhaj | So, how many casualties are there to be found here today? =( | 00:28 |
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| juhaj | I just got one of my best friends as a casualty today. The rest of them went in the first wave already. | 00:31 |
| pa | but are they keeping the rest, or will elop fire them all soon or late? | 00:32 |
| beford | I've read about 10mil wil be fired before 2013 | 00:33 |
| beford | will* | 00:33 |
| pa | hmm | 00:33 |
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| beford | i suppose killing meltemi is related to nokia+ms working on getting lower hw requirements for WP | 00:40 |
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| pa | wasnt Flop claiming that he was going to bring Qt to the "next billion"? | 00:40 |
| beford | "Engineers were locked out of their source code management systems and wikis before the announcements were made this morning." Really? | 00:41 |
| pa | like if they dont have the sources locally.. lol | 00:41 |
| rzr | the good news is http://swipe.nokia.com/ is back :) | 00:42 |
| beford | that means pr1.3 will be out sooner | 00:45 |
| beford | (?) | 00:45 |
| ieatlint | hah | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 00:53 |
| ieatlint | no one should be acting that surprised | 00:53 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he'd invested in some not-stock | 00:54 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Nokia was last at its current stock price in 1996. | 00:56 |
| ieatlint | but what was the volume in 1996? | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | About a tenth of now | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | so the company is still worth 10x.. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - sure - I know that. | 00:59 |
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| marsje_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/14/nokia_software_purge/ | 01:05 |
| marsje_ | so, when will Meego be open-sourced? | 01:06 |
| marsje_ | and out of control of any manager-type person | 01:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | All - in all - :/ | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd hoped that at least something would come out of meltmi. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if it was only hw with drivers. | 01:10 |
| marsje_ | how many mobile linux-based OS projects have been started and killed? | 01:11 |
| * SpeedEvil looks on ebay, to see a container of 40000 n950s, with a starting price of 1 euro. | 01:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) | 01:12 |
| marsje_ | haha | 01:12 |
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| marsje_ | it's time some hardware company starts building open, OS-less phones, just like PCs | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The second last phone that I bought booted to linux kernel panic, as it diddn't come with a rootfs. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | hardware is annoyingly expensive. | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt canned rant | 01:14 |
| rzr | marsje_, geeksphone aims to do that isnt it ? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gta04.org | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, hw *is* annoyingly expensive to manufacture | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gta04 could be half the pricetag at 50 times the volukme produced | 01:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | And yes. | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | That too. | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:29 |
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| juhaj | rzr: geeksphone? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all kudos to Mr Schaller of Goldelico, who managed to produce GTA04 from his holiday purse | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for the record: http://www.google.de/search?q=gta04+keyboard | 01:38 |
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| marsje_ | SpeedEvil: interesting link... but not sure why a phone needs to be so different as a pc | 01:45 |
| marsje_ | rzr: hadn't heard of geeksphone yet, but sounds interesting | 01:46 |
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| marsje_ | DocScrutinizer05: gta04 looks fun too | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04 definitely is the better N9 | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | marsje_: and it's definitely the open, Os-less device you asked for | 01:49 |
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| rzr | and support qt (moko) | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N950 on Ebay - startung offer: 10kEUR | 02:06 |
| ieatlint | has anyone actually seen an n950 appear on ebay? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pondering | 02:11 |
| rzr | apple think different : http://www.newser.com/story/147523/1k-workers-riot-at-foxconn.html | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | marsje_: A PC motherboard likely costs even more than a phone to develop - especially if it's your first. | 02:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | wjat's up | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, what's up | 03:18 |
| beford | not much | 03:23 |
| beford | harmattan is dead | 03:23 |
| beford | harmattan+1 is dead too | 03:23 |
| beford | http://slashdot.org/story/12/05/15/1237206/forbes-names-microsofts-steve-ballmer-worst-ceo? can't believe is not selop | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | tis a sad day | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's no good at all | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh well | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it definitely cements the end of nokia as a real technology company | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now they're another lucky goldstar or something | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with better industrial designers | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | and when nokia falls, it'll take wp7 with it | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | and MS will be in an interesting position | 03:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they better get pr1.3 released | 03:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the damn thing exists and has existed for eons, i don't understand why they don't go ahead and get it out of the way already | 03:29 |
| ieatlint | politics... inside the company, with carriers.. that'd be my guess | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, they could release it and deal with the carriers later | 03:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | afaict the releases have to be approved by the carriers separately later anyway | 03:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why it's so important that everyone not miss the opportunity to debrand their phones | 03:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately a lot of n00bs seem to be reticent about doing so, then bother everyone with the massive problems resulting from not doing so | 03:34 |
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| koe | "harmattan is dead" did i missed smthn? harmattan had no future at all, nokia made that clear long time ago. | 03:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | koe: yeah but meltemi was going to have some harmattan in it, supposedly | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now it's kaputt too | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which means it's now the complete end to all nokia qt/linux stuff | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, except qt itself, but that's just a matter of time now | 04:00 |
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| koe | oh, right | 04:18 |
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| Corsac | meltemi :( | 09:01 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Is there a way for getting a number of childrens for the parent of an item ? The size of the item would be dependent on that factor for instance. | 10:39 |
| djszapi | console.log("CHILDREN COUNT:", parent.children.count); does not work. I am getting "undefined" instead of a precise number. | 10:39 |
| djszapi | same with parent.children.size | 10:40 |
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| tomma | length? | 10:52 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: o/ | 10:53 |
| djszapi | tomma: heh, that worked, thanks. ;) | 10:53 |
| jreznik | djszapi: hey! | 10:54 |
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| rigo | good morning, has anybody solved already the failed to download firefox update bug? | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: you're still well? Re your job | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: also, is that actually true Nokia locked down accounts of basically all their technical stuff? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (well, technically it's probably sufficient to take down some git servers, or sth) | 12:38 |
| petteri | git is distributed, all clones contain whole history | 12:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm community award counts i made app for n900 a long time ago? wierd = | 12:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i was removed from the community award, i was banned on TMO, no meltmi, no pr1.3, no nokia | 12:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice week i see | 12:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: sup | 12:51 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: we love you. | 12:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i know | 12:54 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: what were you banned for? | 12:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: not sure if they deleted posts, but i assume or telling in your thread to people to stop writting bullshit or in wazapp thread telling to people to stop trashing it with "where updates" | 12:58 |
| Elleo | :/ | 12:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah | 12:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | logic is noot here, though reported to estel to do something with those posts in general on TMO | 12:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i'll just stop writting there after i'll be unbanned | 12:59 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: you were banned from tmo? by who? | 12:59 |
| chem|st | and what for? | 12:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: ^ | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | I see no link... | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm pretty sure it was post bout "stop asking for updates for social app it's end of school — go outside and communicate" and other replies to ibrakalife | 13:01 |
| Elleo | personally I was quite happy for your posts telling people off for continually posting "It doesn't recognise the latest Justin Bieber song :(" in the eyrie thread ;) | 13:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: it was deleted by op | 13:01 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: and estel is not to be asked about posts on tmo | 13:01 |
| chem|st | what is your tmo name? | 13:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: do not unban me, i don't care anymore | 13:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: most active people in n900 era are not active now for same reasons imho | 13:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i need to pay less attention to internet communities anyway | 13:03 |
| djszapi | who is Estel ? | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | council | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's funny but council is not related to moerators =) | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | so is harmattan source leaked already somewhere? | 13:05 |
| djszapi | yes, I got that, but I unfortunately swallod it. | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | source? | 13:05 |
| djszapi | swallowed* | 13:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 13:06 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: do you have personal issues with edgar? | 13:07 |
| chem|st | lol | 13:07 |
| * djszapi thinks ZogG_laptop went for his gf :) | 13:07 | |
| chem|st | you got infractions for getting personal... you could have waited the attack for one more week and would not get banned for it | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i don't feel it as attack | 13:08 |
| chem|st | "sod off" is no personal attack? | 13:09 |
| djszapi | chem|st: who are you in this council thingy ? | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think some TMO users moroons, but it would be personal and i never called anyone there like that | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: sod off? | 13:09 |
| chem|st | djszapi: in which council thingy? | 13:09 |
| djszapi | chem|st: no clue =) | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: can you quote my post i was banned for? | 13:09 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: just let it go :) | 13:10 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I have never understood that place tbh... | 13:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | and no i have nothing personal with edgar | 13:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i'm curious, where it was personal attack? | 13:10 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: well it is hard to give an infraction for telling someone to go outside and have some real life instead of pissing you off... that is why I asked if you pissed off edgar some way? | 13:10 |
| chem|st | summer break in school? Maybe you go outside and play with friends instead of whining of updates of social app, while you can get social in real life? | 13:11 |
| chem|st | I would not give an infraction for that... at least not without being pissed already | 13:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: if i did, only he can tell, it's second time i get it from him, first time i was little bit rude maybe, but i did it for good reasons | 13:11 |
| chem|st | I know that is why I would lift your bann and tell edgar to be more gentle | 13:12 |
| djszapi | who is edgar again ? :) | 13:12 |
| djszapi | I mean... what did he achieve for maemo ? | 13:13 |
| djszapi | I have never seen such a nickname here at least. | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: the point is that dev asked few times not to ask about updates and that ibraka is just posting in every thread, jjust to post, go thru his msgs and you'll understand. it pissed me off, but still i tried not to be personal | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: DO NOT lift my ban | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: there are two options | 13:13 |
| djszapi | lift or not lift =) | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | or i'll let it go and i would not post at all (and i do try to help sometimes on TMO where i can) | 13:14 |
| Elleo | to lift or not to lift, that is the question; whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous posters; or to take arms against a sea of idiots and by opposing end them? | 13:15 |
| * djszapi feels ignored | 13:15 | |
| ZogG_laptop | or i'll just be pissed off of that stupidity while moderator doesn't do his work at first place and TMO is 80% of trash now, but when you say it you got banned. than i'll be really rude (and i don't want that but i'm stuborn) | 13:15 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: gimme a link to one of his posts, and your ban is lifted | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: what? | 13:15 |
| djszapi | w-h-o i-s t-h-i-s p-e-r-s-o-n ? W-h-a-t h-a-s h-e a-c-h-i-e-v-e-d f-o-r m-a-e-m-o ? | 13:16 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: now you get me started! keep your grubby fingers off us moderators! we are so few that it is like 1:100 | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: just leave it | 13:16 |
| chem|st | djszapi: edgar is one of the tmo mods | 13:16 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: no I mean the link for the troll pls | 13:17 |
| djszapi | so he is a no coder, just a mod on the forum ? | 13:17 |
| chem|st | djszapi: I have no idea | 13:17 |
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| djszapi | I would kinda hope for a well-known community member as a moderator ? | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i know what is to be moerator, i know it's hard, but no one told it would be easy. i reported thousand times and mostly no reaction, i think if you have no time — get more moderators. simple as it. i'm telling it not like something personal. but as tmo is getting trashed | 13:18 |
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| chem|st | he is only moderator no smod | 13:18 |
| djszapi | as from end user point of view, tmo is an awkward place. | 13:19 |
| djszapi | or very badly moderated. I am sorry for saying that. | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i miss lcuk and times when mece and venemo were more active and n900 times =P | 13:19 |
| * djszapi misses 2010 and aKademy times when Qt and Nokia were on the top. | 13:20 | |
| chem|st | well people pissed on tmo mods so frequent and got into fights so they stepped down to end the pointless discussions, so a few got even less... | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | N900 times > now | 13:21 |
| djszapi | except Qt... | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i never got how it's as they say ¨freedom of speech¨ to start same threads or what should nokia do threads. but to say to them to stop and use search and at least to post those "nokia would read my post and make it different" things in one thread | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | even Qt | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | at least there wasn't QML | 13:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: the point here TMO loses active helpful users and devs. and if not anything would be done it would be left with nothing | 13:22 |
| chem|st | djszapi: well known community members with a little brain do not want to be moderator or are some highwire freaks who trollfeed all day as they want to proof someone wrong on the internet - in general | 13:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: an i didn't fight with edgar i actually told him what i think and he said he understands me. (at least if he was pissed at me i wasn't told) | 13:23 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: k | 13:24 |
| djszapi | chem|st: well, blame them | 13:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: why is it always troling or trollfeeding? i just want those things to stop on forum i felt like home few years ago, can't i have right for that? | 13:24 |
| djszapi | they allowed this to happen | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | I think tmo lost all users it can lose :P | 13:24 |
| djszapi | 1) Clear Code of Conduct | 13:25 |
| djszapi | 2) Clear moderation from minute first. | 13:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i was the last one =) but apperantly no one knows and recognize me =) | 13:25 |
| Tronic | http://tronic.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/108925-the-fall-of-nokia-corporation | 13:25 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: if someone trolls the thread and you get on with him it is your own fault! you reply he replies you reply and so on, that is what polutes the fora | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, ask for the ban to be lifted? no need for drama :P | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | in other news, for drama, visit iOS channels | 13:26 |
| chem|st | hehe | 13:26 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: +1 | 13:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: right on one hand, but on other hand if you would say nothing he would keep going, and i always ask nicely few first times | 13:26 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: ban is already lifted | 13:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | i try not to say personal stuff and i try to bring facts | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | Wouldn't have banned ZogG_laptop really :P | 13:26 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: no you do not ask anything! get that in your head! as soon as you respond he catched you! | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | there are people who really deserve it :P | 13:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: it's not about ban, it would be expired on sunday anyway | 13:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i think the word troll is misunderstood today | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | it's all sorted then, forget it even happened ZogG_laptop :P | 13:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | troll at least have to be smart and to know what he is doing | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | moc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp: In member function 'virtual void* StatusUpdaterPlugin::qt_metacast(const char*)': | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | moc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp:60: error: invalid static_cast from type 'StatusUpdaterPlugin*' to type 'MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface*' | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | moc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp:62: error: invalid static_cast from type 'StatusUpdaterPlugin*' to type 'MApplicationExtensionInterface*' | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | who understands moc enough to point out the problem? | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | here it's kid who just think he is right and don't get it | 13:28 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: ehrm trolls do that on purpose, that needs brains! | 13:28 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: very hard without the code... | 13:28 |
| djszapi | and no, I do not mean the moc code... | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: that's what i say, those are not trolls, those are zombies as they do not have brain but invade forum | 13:29 |
| frals | MohammadAG: you are doing bad casts in statusupdaterplugin somewhere ;D | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you can't cast from this type into other for some reason =P | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: sup \o/ | 13:30 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: then tell someone about who has powers and try to stay calm or better simply stay calm | 13:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: no way for twitter updates after you are not nokia anymore? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, it's a moc file, autogenned | 13:30 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: that is not the point | 13:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i reported about thousand times, nothing happened | 13:30 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: like I said, you should show the relevant code, YOU wrote. | 13:30 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: I read most of them, some got banned some not some posted my warning back to the thread | 13:31 |
| chem|st | and so on | 13:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think moc autogen is not perfect and do not test everything for errors before it is done, the error in your code | 13:31 |
| djszapi | err... could you please discuss tmo related issues in a tmo thread ? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | frals, djszapi http://pastebin.com/dfN03nyN | 13:31 |
| djszapi | I presume we cannot do much in here. | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, I'm not casting | 13:32 |
| djszapi | the quality of tmo should be raised to tmo maintainers in a form or other. | 13:32 |
| chem|st | I cleaned threads with +200 post from 100 posts rubish myself in threads they arent realy interesting to read but I need to read every fscking single post to understand the conversation | 13:32 |
| djszapi | I can admit that, it is a royal pita... | 13:33 |
| chem|st | sometimes it is as easy as getting on s/o profile and just delete a single persons posts and rip em off context... | 13:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: lemme give you example, one noobie jjust posted resolution to problem he copy pasted somewhere. it deletes your data from phone. after that he added it does like 5 lines after. i reported it as i think disclaimer should be first and no commands like rm -rf should be posted without warning before it | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: I might not get all reports then, cannot remember something like this, cause I edit those posts | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | forgot to make StatusUpdaterPlugin a subclass of MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: and no, no one here saying you or moderators do not o there job, and that's it's easy. we are saying — it's not enuf | 13:35 |
| chem|st | maybe I do not get reports from fora with a moderator | 13:35 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: and chem|st is saying that, there are not many moderators, and even less then before... | 13:35 |
| chem|st | if not the moderator reports | 13:35 |
| djszapi | than* | 13:35 |
| chem|st | djszapi: +1 | 13:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: after all you and me want tmo to be nice place and on same side | 13:36 |
| chem|st | the good ones were shot... twice! | 13:36 |
| djszapi | so unless there are new contributors stepping up, the quality will not increase that much. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | chem|st: can new people easily step up and join the moderation team ? | 13:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wouldn't want to be moder, as i know i would be to hard on people =) | 13:37 |
| chem|st | djszapi: not that easy | 13:37 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: I know... | 13:37 |
| djszapi | chem|st: then fix the workflow | 13:37 |
| djszapi | otherwise you cannot call for volunteers. | 13:38 |
| djszapi | and not something that is gonna be changed any soon. | 13:38 |
| chem|st | djszapi: you get up to 3 sections to start with, just mail reggie you want to... if you show to be reliable you may become smod | 13:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | most reasonable and smart people who are suitable for it wouldn't want it, while people who do not deserve do want it | 13:39 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: exactly | 13:39 |
| djszapi | chem|st: I wonder why you are still doing this. | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 13:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | as first understnd that responsiblity is not easy and later think power is awesome | 13:39 |
| djszapi | if you also see, you cannot make this a high-quality forum easily. | 13:39 |
| chem|st | I do not want estel to be mod or abill_uk... or pupnik | 13:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: why not? | 13:40 |
| chem|st | djszapi: because noone else does? and I am no asshole and leave reggie alone with edgar... | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omgomgomg | 13:40 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: are you serious | 13:40 |
| chem|st | bad enough to have estel in council... | 13:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | abill as far as i recall him and if i'm right not always resaonable. can't say anything about estel. but pupnik as far as i know (and i know little bit of him) is ok | 13:41 |
| djszapi | chem|st: I do not think it is an "asshole" behavior to look for more successful "projects", but I can also understand your preference anyway. | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia killed by Flop, and community by mass suicide | 13:42 |
| * MohammadAG ponders how to implement something that looks like this in MTF http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/sharing-websites1.jpeg?w=640 | 13:42 | |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i do not know anything about estel, why is it so bad? | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (no better word for "we consider nominating this sort of characters for council/chanop/mod" | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 13:42 |
| djszapi | is it the same estel that is also in charge of the RPI thingy ? | 13:43 |
| djszapi | or is that distinct ? | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | RPI? | 13:43 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: ehrm I do not tell, read tmo threads and posts and community mailing list and maybe maemo-meeting logs and you will get it... | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop ?? | 13:44 |
| djszapi | chem|st: why don't you tell ? | 13:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: i do not involved that much in TMO. and today i found out that there is some group that actually kinda friends and felllows and they are elite of TMO =) is that your point? | 13:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: ? | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: I've seen a ping from you :) | 13:45 |
| chem|st | djszapi: well one I can tell, he is pulling or trying to pull votes with 3 councelors 2 absent to get more personal power over maemo infrastructure | 13:46 |
| djszapi | don't you have guys a board discussion about ongoing things ? | 13:46 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: what do you mean? pls elaborate on that TMO elite thing | 13:47 |
| chem|st | you lost me | 13:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves | 13:49 | |
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| * chem|st waves back o.O | 13:50 | |
| djszapi | chem|st: is he the same person as in case the rpi ? | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: why o.O? | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or did you mean oo | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which been short for 'over and out' since times write been invented | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (man write) | 14:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: just asked sup | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~o | 14:02 |
| infobot | from memory, o is OH! | 14:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: elite thing is the same thing you are telling about votes and power, just people around power. but i can be wrong as i took it personally | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~o is also ~o means 'over' in context of write(1) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ??? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: botsnack | 14:05 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay | 14:05 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: help | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dang | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~o | 14:06 |
| infobot | methinks o is OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1) | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now for real: afk, bbl | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oo | 14:10 |
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| ZogG_laptop | anyone has idea why my app has no red "x" for un-install anymore, i mean what can be a reason? | 14:29 |
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| radiofree | mozilla facefox | 14:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: ping | 14:37 |
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| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop Same here I am also missing the red cross | 14:44 |
| AlphaX2 | don't know why | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | 1 iOS 6 feature down http://i45.tinypic.com/11ukcy1.jpg 199 ones to go | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | we probably already have most of the 199s though | 14:45 |
| AlphaX2 | lol | 14:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: make those icons =) | 14:46 |
| AlphaX2 | Just a bit stupid that we need so much "hack-around" due to aegis | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | AlphaX2: it was there though | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | very true | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, I'll need to jb iOS 6 first | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | then steal the icons | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i don't think we gonna get pr1.3 so cssu and open kernel — the time has come | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | then get sued | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: use official icons, want me to fins those? | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | they look good? | 14:48 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop: ? Do you know whats wrong with the red "x" | 14:48 |
| rigo_ | not a good idea IMHO, make your own, be creative | 14:48 |
| rigo_ | btw, what is TMO? | 14:49 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp everybody knows Apples layers | 14:49 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 14:49 |
| AlphaX2 | talk.memo.org | 14:49 |
| AlphaX2 | talk.maemo.org | 14:49 |
| AlphaX2 | is TMO | 14:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you can make them as harmattan icons =P | 14:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: new twitter logo is something like that http://metrodetroit-homes.com/image_store/uploads/2/8/5/5/9/ar12293761095582.jpg | 14:50 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm more or less like in QNeptunea - but blue ;) | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo_: Team Of Onanists =) | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | Team of Mass Onanaists | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | ... | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | AlphaX2: it's new official one | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | WHAT | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | AlphaX2: no idea what hhappened =( | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | It's so ugly | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | :-/ | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | the logo | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 14:51 |
| AlphaX2 | Hmm do you have MD5sums in your package? | 14:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 14:53 |
| rigo_ | AlphaX2, that's what I say, don't copy, make a nicer one, be creative | 14:53 |
| AlphaX2 | I think I could be related to them | 14:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | AlphaX2: i tried to push it to apps4meego and screwed it | 14:54 |
| AlphaX2 | but I was to lazy to try it out^^ | 14:54 |
| rigo_ | ZogG_laptop, note well that this channel is publicly archived and we forgot to put the delete button on the Web, unfortunately | 14:54 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 14:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rigo_: soooooo? | 14:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo_: it's still internet and if someone would feel better hating me, let them | 14:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | and not rigo_ and AlphaX2 you can't make own twitter of facebook logos, as it needs to be recognized by everyone | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, http://i49.tinypic.com/eqv3ht.jpg | 14:58 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp but a little beautiful bird and the facebook blue with the "f" in Harmattan styled icons will be recognized - I think | 14:58 |
| rigo_ | MohammadAG, cool | 14:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: =* | 15:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: why do you need caption there? | 15:00 |
| chem|st | ~wtf rpi | 15:00 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what rpi means... | 15:00 |
| rigo_ | my question again, has the download failure of Mozilla 13 bug been resolved in any way? | 15:00 |
| chem|st | ~rpi | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone here god with git? | 15:01 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, caption? | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: the words | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, it'd look ugly without them | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | very ugly | 15:07 |
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| rigo_ | ah, wassup is a twitter clone and the latest thing for the kiddies with California privacy | 15:11 |
| rigo_ | in what way is it better than identi.ca (status.net) or twitter? | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyone used the twitter API? | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | for some values of "used" | 15:17 |
| mgedmin | I've written a small python script to archive my tweets using twitter's REST API | 15:17 |
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| MohammadAG | I haven't figured out how to login | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook's docs about login are way clearer | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | ah | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | the only thing I know about this is that twitter uses oauth (or probably oauth2?) | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | Facebook uses it too, but it's simple | 15:34 |
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| MohammadAG | you make a web view, direct the user to a URL, user completes sign in, you process the token | 15:34 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer51: cannot comment on your question. But I can say that Im looking for a new job ;-) | 15:34 |
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| MohammadAG | is Qt compiled with OpenSSL on Harmattan? | 15:38 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: just use twitter acc in system for that | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, how? | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | plus that needs aegis afaik | 15:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: no aegis | 15:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think | 15:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: account is saving token and token password afaik | 15:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | you need to extract this info from it | 15:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/forum-qml/forum-qml/blobs/master/src/forumsession.cpp#line396 - something like that | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG | think I'm gonna email twitter requesting xAuth | 15:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: xauth is not supported natively while oauth is supported and yu have token there already | 15:57 |
| frals | MohammadAG: using xauth is very deprecated and you dont get access to all APIs | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | frals, is using accounts as ZogG_laptop pointed out an "official" way? | 16:01 |
| frals | doubt it | 16:01 |
| frals | pretty sure aegis should protect twitter and fb accounts | 16:01 |
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| MohammadAG | wonder how a plugin would detect the status menu was closed | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | StatusIndicatorMenuBusinessLogic lol? | 16:25 |
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| rigo_ | wow, RIP Nokia | 16:35 |
| rigo_ | Who are the shareholders in this? This is amazing. How can one be so self destructive? | 16:38 |
| rigo_ | I think Elop merits a mention in the Darwin awards | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:38 |
| rigo_ | SpeedEvil, no, not :/ | 16:39 |
| rigo_ | HP fired all the finest semantic web people in the world from their Bristol lab | 16:39 |
| rigo_ | they grouped and founded a new company that grows and grows and grows and outperfoms all others | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | rigo_, which company is that? | 16:40 |
| rigo_ | Somebody in this community should get their hands wet and create a new company that makes decent phones from cheap parts | 16:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | rigo_: Problem is you need to put down several million for a realistic design. | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | we need to get Mark Shuttleworth interested in smartphones :) | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Elon Musk. | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a phone that can go into orbit. | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The several million would only address the hardware | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Software is more complex | 16:47 |
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| rigo_ | SpeedEvil, the company is http://www.epimorphics.com/web/ | 16:50 |
| rigo_ | sorry, mgedmin, this was for you | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | just wanted to know if I've ever heard of it or no (turns out, no) | 16:51 |
| jreznik | SpeedEvil: in this case I think hw is more complex - and more expansive... not saying sw is easy, especially hw adaptation (but it's again more hw problem) | 16:51 |
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| rigo_ | SpeedEvil, if every potential shareholder of the 10k laid-off people contributes 2k€ you have everything you need | 16:52 |
| jreznik | there are a lot of people interested in software who know how to code but hw guys - only a few skilled and you need a lot of money - see GTA04... | 16:52 |
| rigo_ | jreznik, this is the challenge | 16:53 |
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| jreznik | rigo_: if I would be billionaire I'd do it for fun :) | 16:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | rigo_: Oh - sure. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | rigo_: If I had the cash, I'd do it myself. | 17:15 |
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| rigo_ | SpeedEvil, if more people think like you and start to work for shares in the beginning, I think they can make a difference. | 17:17 |
| rigo_ | cyanogen installs on android phones. Why shouldn't another thing install on mobile phones? | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | AIUI Nikolaus of Goldelico (GTA04) asked for kickstart donations | 18:13 |
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| heymaster | How make Qt Creator to use esc button instead of ctrl+space (for auto completion) | 18:40 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer, not all of us have 665EUR+ to cough up for a gta04 that doesn't even come with a case | 18:44 |
| ieatlint | depressingly, i've also gotten too excited about too many failed phone platforms.. it's already a joke with my friends :P | 18:46 |
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| ieatlint | not sure i have the heart these days to jump onto another niche platform | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | I can't apt-get doanything cause of SingOn wtf | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to fix that? | 19:05 |
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| heymaster | Simple question. I don't understand cpp/qml app architecture :) | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | ask | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | although I hate qml and may not be able to answer your question | 19:17 |
| heymaster | I have qml ui file and main.cpp file. In qml I have ListView. How to connect cpp class with qml ui. I don't think it's good to add code to main.cpp file | 19:18 |
| heymaster | atlast someone alive :) | 19:18 |
| heymaster | In iPhone file i have controller file .m and ui file xib. I want someting with Qt | 19:19 |
| heymaster | MohammadAG: do understood my question? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | nib*? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | .m and .h equivalents are .cpp and .h files | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | .nib would be .qml | 19:21 |
| heymaster | yes | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | what exactly do you want to connect? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | properties/methods? | 19:21 |
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| heymaster | I have listview with products and i will add products from cpp code (model) | 19:22 |
| heymaster | Now i can load qml file in main.cpp and fill listview, but i don't think it's good | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativemodels.html#exposing-c-data-models-to-qml | 19:23 |
| heymaster | yes | 19:23 |
| heymaster | i know how to fill | 19:23 |
| heymaster | but i will have mant different windows | 19:23 |
| heymaster | many* | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | the concept of windows doesn't exist in QML | 19:24 |
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| heymaster | yes, views | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | if you're using components you can use different pages | 19:24 |
| heymaster | pages | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | make a Page {} and push it to the stack | 19:25 |
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| MohammadAG | heymaster, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-pages-and-navigation-overview.html?tab=1 | 19:26 |
| heymaster | Ok if i press list item i will load new qml file how i will connect another qml file with different cpp file? | 19:26 |
| heymaster | that's my question | 19:26 |
| heymaster | MohammadAG: I know how works navigation.. I have used UINavigationController in iOS | 19:27 |
| heymaster | I don't know how to make application logic | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | register the class with qmlRegisterType in main.cpp, then import the registered type in the qml file | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | this'll help you http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-extending.html | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | basically | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | qmlRegisterType<QCppItem>("MyModule", 0, 1, "CppItem") | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | then in the qml file | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | import MyModule 0.1 | 19:29 |
| heymaster | but why it's so hard? I though will be something out of box | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | QML is like that, that's why I hate it | 19:30 |
| heymaster | yes :) | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | I prefer MTF really, but it can be hard for some people | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG | I imagine that since you've worked with iOS you might also like it, but it's platform dependent | 19:30 |
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| MohammadAG | meaning it'll only run on MeeGo | 19:31 |
| heymaster | MohammadAG: C | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | MTF is pure C++/Qt | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | well, it's a framework written in Qt, it's what native apps use | 19:31 |
| heymaster | so if i want to code for harmattan i must use qml? | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | no, as I said there's MTF | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan falls under MeeGo :P | 19:32 |
| heymaster | and n9 ? | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | UI is written in code though | 19:32 |
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| MohammadAG | no designer | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | or something like storyboards on iOS5 | 19:33 |
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| MohammadAG | for advanced UIs, QML is way easier, MTF is faster (runtine) | 19:34 |
| heymaster | I created c++ widget project and run on simulator and don't see native components why | 19:34 |
| heymaster | ? | 19:34 |
| heymaster | (n9) | 19:34 |
| heymaster | mobile qt app | 19:35 |
| heymaster | http://cl.ly/3u0a3C3g2L0R26171R12 | 19:36 |
| heymaster | i made screenshot | 19:36 |
| heymaster | MohammadAG: any thoughts ? | 19:38 |
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| heymaster | so only qml? | 19:48 |
| heymaster | if i want n9 native look? | 19:49 |
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| ieatlint | you're making a regular qt widget with that, which won't really work | 19:50 |
| ieatlint | what MohammadAG was saying is that there are a set of harmattan qt widgets, part of MTF, where that will work (MButton, etc) | 19:51 |
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| ieatlint | but i'm afraid no one here has the time to really give a good walkthrough on it all.. so google is your friend, and you may need to use qml | 19:51 |
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| ieatlint | qml being the nokia approved/pushed method for developing apps | 19:51 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: thanks | 19:52 |
| ieatlint | np... if you have specific questions, you'll find good help here | 19:53 |
| heymaster | I see :) | 19:53 |
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| ieatlint | it | 19:53 |
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| ieatlint | it's the comprehensive ones that we can't sneak away from a day jobs to answer for 2h ;) | 19:54 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: Just if I press button (created with qml) i need to connect with c++ that i need to use ? qmlRegisterType ? | 19:54 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: yes i know .. still haven't learn english properly | 19:55 |
| heymaster | :/ | 19:55 |
| ieatlint | there are a few ways to do it in qml, but the method detailed briefly above i find the best | 19:55 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: ok thanks. now i understand fundamentals | 19:56 |
| ieatlint | you create a c++ class, and you register it with qmlRegisterType in the main.cpp. in qml, you import the class, and then you create an object of it in qml | 19:56 |
| ieatlint | once you have the object in qml, you can do this: Button { onClicked: myObject.buttonPressed(); } | 19:56 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: very good | 19:57 |
| ieatlint | and whenever someone clicks the button, it calls myObject::buttonPressed() | 19:57 |
| ieatlint | (and you can use basic types as arguments... but i'd stick to int/float/strings) | 19:57 |
| heymaster | i was reading qml tutorials, but all of them about simple things. Connecting qml with cpp i think most thing need to documented (in tutorials) | 19:58 |
| heymaster | ok thanks, will try to write some code :) | 19:59 |
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| ieatlint | heymaster, here's some code that i just threw together http://pastebin.com/Y6DsGCg5 | 20:01 |
| ieatlint | it can't be run, and it may contain some syntax errors | 20:02 |
| ieatlint | but it should show basically how you get an object into qml and can call things and receive signals | 20:02 |
| ieatlint | note that any method you call from qml to your c++ class must be a public slot (or a public method that is registered, which does the same thing -- but just use public slots and don't worry about it) | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG | sorry, was away | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint summed it up well :P | 20:05 |
| heymaster | :) | 20:05 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: thanks | 20:06 |
| ieatlint | np, good luck | 20:06 |
| ieatlint | the models for ListView is a whole other bit of fun :P | 20:07 |
| heymaster | ieatlint: I will use QStandardItemModel | 20:07 |
| heymaster | i'm not so newbie | 20:08 |
| ieatlint | the page MohammadAG posted above about models in qml is important.. | 20:08 |
| * MohammadAG uses QAbstractItemModel | 20:08 | |
| ieatlint | there are some quirks, as you need to set the roles | 20:08 |
| ieatlint | otherwise you can't reference the data in qml | 20:08 |
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| ieatlint | and when you pass the model to qml, treat it as a QObject* and not a model | 20:09 |
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| heymaster | ieatlint: i need to use registered types and return QObject* to fill model ? That's you want to say? | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | not exactly | 20:14 |
| heymaster | or use context fuction to fill? | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | you're likely to end up causing the model to fill by creating a method in MyClass that returns the model | 20:15 |
| heymaster | yes | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | so it'll be ListView { model: localOjbect.listModel() } and MyClass::listModel() | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | the return value of MyClass::listModel() should be QObject* and not QAbstractItemModel* or similar | 20:15 |
| heymaster | yes, thanks | 20:16 |
| ieatlint | same if you use a signal with the model as the argument | 20:16 |
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| heymaster | ieatlint: ok, thanks. I just needed to understand fundamentals (connecting qml an cpp) . now everything looks clear | 20:17 |
| heymaster | and* | 20:18 |
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| heymaster | by the way i don't own n9 and other maemo devices. just anybody used usb connection to connect microcontroller like arduino? | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | good luck then :) | 20:19 |
| heymaster | i will try to write app for contest | 20:19 |
| ieatlint | the principles above apply to qml in general, btw, and aren't harmattan specific at all | 20:19 |
| heymaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENW-12lsYL4 | 20:21 |
| heymaster | it's my iPhone project, but would be cool to make for n9 :) | 20:21 |
| heymaster | just want to say not so newbie programmer as looks | 20:22 |
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| ieatlint | cool | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | i don't think people really thought you were that new to programming in general, it's just weirdness with this whole qml thing | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | we all had this headache :/ | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | as for connecting an arduino to it... my understanding is that it's not presently possible.. usb otg is not officially supported, and i don't know how far DocScrutinizer got on it before declaring the platform complete shit | 20:26 |
| heymaster | yes | 20:27 |
| heymaster | n9 don't have simple rs232 conection | 20:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Easiest way is possibly via bluetooth | 20:33 |
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| heymaster | SpeedEvil: it's great. you can't use custom own defined bluetooth protocol without jailbeak on idevices and you can access rs232 only with jailbreak or buy very expensive license (not for mortals) | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 20:44 |
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| pa | can someone explain me why when i try the examples, for example the scanner in declarative-connectivity, it always starts in landscape mode? | 21:28 |
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| ieatlint | if they're not harmattan examples, they'd not work out of the box | 21:33 |
| ieatlint | they'd use QApplication instead of MApplication | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | and anything using QApplication on harmattan is forced landscape | 21:34 |
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| pa | ah thats why | 21:35 |
| pa | also im getting lost in the pro file | 21:35 |
| pa | i just wanted to clone one of the examples in a new project | 21:36 |
| pa | and i gave up | 21:36 |
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| pa | anyway, im not sure what you mean with "MApplicaton" | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | ieatlint, actually no :P | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | afaik QApplication and MApplication are interchangable at times | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | and it's QMainWindow vs MApplicationWindow that matters | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | pa, MApplication is MTF | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | ~mtf | 21:56 |
| infobot | A Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/backup/mtf-0.1.src.tgz. MeeGoTouchFramework, a deprecated framework that's miles faster than QML | 21:56 |
| pa | :) | 21:56 |
| pa | i guess i would need just a stub project | 21:57 |
| pa | that i can use as template | 21:57 |
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| pa | with Qt its always the same.. | 21:57 |
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| heymaster | How to close app using harmattan qemu? | 22:30 |
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| heymaster | http://mlab.taik.fi/paja/?p=2381 (N9 and Arduino) | 22:34 |
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| ieatlint | MohammadAG, ah, knew it was one of those :P | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | i guess that makes sense... QApplication isn't a widget | 23:13 |
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