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| djszapi | one known issue: after changing the language, the selection box is not changing :( | 00:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i'll check it tonight tomorrow and would report, did you translate with google translate? | 00:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | and do you have hebrew as well? | 00:10 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: no google translate of course | 00:11 |
| djszapi | it is done by the KDE internationalization teams | 00:11 |
| djszapi | more than 50-100+ | 00:11 |
| djszapi | with few members in each team | 00:11 |
| djszapi | they have been doing these things for many years | 00:12 |
| djszapi | not just for my app. | 00:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: oh, i knew one over internet who translate for KDE into russian | 00:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i hope susundberg didn't end up getting p0wned by an aegis problem | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: 'sup, wasn't on for a few days | 01:25 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I figured out the vtable ABI way does not work as you guessed. | 01:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, did it work a different way from how i guessed? :p | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | let the fight for the nokia n9 nation begin today | 01:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: hm? | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | never mind | 01:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | your jabber is offline =\ | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you can't "never mind" a statement like that! :p | 01:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and now it isn't | 01:32 |
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| tgalal | any clue how to get that curved effect for images using QML? | 02:43 |
| Arie | tgalal: you mean like in contacts? | 02:44 |
| tgalal | Arie: yup | 02:44 |
| Arie | tgalal: its not explained in the harmattan framework pages? | 02:46 |
| tgalal | Arie: can't seem to find it | 02:46 |
| Arie | wierd, i thought it was there | 02:48 |
| Arie | itsnotabigtruck: any idea? | 02:49 |
| tgalal | oh it has a name | 02:50 |
| tgalal | Squircle | 02:50 |
| tgalal | lol | 02:50 |
| Arie | yes | 02:50 |
| Arie | lol | 02:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: does it mean something about image transfer is comming? | 03:16 |
| Arie | ZogG_laptop: no | 03:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | than for what? | 03:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: ? | 03:17 |
| Arie | ZogG_laptop: contact images | 03:18 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: for displaying contacts pictures rounded :) | 03:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | than last solution suites | 03:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm gonna go to sleep | 03:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 03:20 |
| Arie | night | 03:20 |
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| tgalal | night | 03:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: keep in mind that the squircle isn't used on the N9 except for icons | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | other things are generally rounded rectangles | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the difference is that a squircle has curved sides | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't help you with how to actually put it into action though | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing you're trying to emulate the appearance of the native MMS display | 03:46 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: I'm just trying to display contacts images as squircles | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tgalal: except they probably shouldn't be squircles, they should be rounded rectangles | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | especially since the images aren't necessarily square | 03:48 |
| tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: I'll try that | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a stretched squircle would be kind of weird | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember that the squircle is a very specific geometric shape (it's what harmattan icons are) | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/7037 | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it appears not to be very easy | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder what the native gui uses | 03:52 |
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| Arie | teleshoes: hi | 06:40 |
| Arie | bedf0rd: hi | 06:40 |
| teleshoes | hello | 06:40 |
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| Arie | teleshoes: i figured out this morning who you are on tmo, lol | 06:41 |
| teleshoes | heh | 06:41 |
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| teleshoes | i probably should have made those the same | 06:41 |
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| Arie | teleshoes: it would have helped, lol | 06:42 |
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| bef0rd | hola | 07:48 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: hola | 08:51 |
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| djszapi | what is the best way of calling a C++ method from QML which expects a string list ? Shall I use a "property variant" type in QML for that purpose to collect the strings into a list, or what is the recommended way ? | 08:56 |
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| Morpog | man those people @tmo are dumb sometimes......... | 10:37 |
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| lpapp|n9 | interesting that webchat works, but irc-chatter | 10:44 |
| Morpog | irc-chatter works here | 10:50 |
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| lpapp|n9 | morprog cannot with sasl | 10:52 |
| lpapp|n9 | Morpog* | 10:52 |
| Morpog | ? im connected via irc-chatter. No need for sasl. | 10:57 |
| djszapi | Morpog: of course, there is a need in a certain range. | 11:00 |
| djszapi | that is how freenode works. | 11:00 |
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| Morpog | well who needs an registered user ;-) | 11:01 |
| djszapi | Morpog: ? sorry ? | 11:02 |
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| djszapi | Morpog: asdfasdfdas nick cannot login without sasl in my network | 11:03 |
| Morpog | oh so they force sasl on some servers? | 11:05 |
| djszapi | yep | 11:05 |
| djszapi | which they consider "spammy". | 11:05 |
| djszapi | like my mobile internet provider :-D | 11:05 |
| Morpog | ah thats bad luck | 11:06 |
| djszapi | yeah, and the irc-chatter project is kinda abandoned | 11:07 |
| djszapi | I reported like 20+ issues, but none has been fixed, just "ack"'d. | 11:07 |
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| djszapi | Morpog: what is your native language ? | 11:08 |
| Morpog | well harmattan aint really future proof. I hope meltemi is compatible, which wouod help alot. | 11:09 |
| Morpog | would | 11:09 |
| Morpog | german | 11:09 |
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| djszapi | anybody not using English system language on harmattan ? | 11:30 |
| djszapi | could such a person report me the line on the console after installing and running my application ? http://minus.com/mXxCKaN4R/ This line: KLOCALE_LANGUAGE: "XXX" | 11:33 |
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| merlin1991 | chekcing | 11:39 |
| djszapi | KLOCALE_LANGUAGE: "hu" in here. | 11:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: i saw in twitter you started wazzshit app =P | 12:23 |
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| khertan | Morning ! | 12:24 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: yeah I like that name lol | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: next time just do not saying you have working app until you release, people wouldn't live you alone, they just "I WANT IT SOOOOOO BAD" | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: morning pal | 12:24 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: true | 12:25 |
| tgalal | lesson learned | 12:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you succeed with round corners? | 12:26 |
| tgalal | haven't tried it yet, queued it :) | 12:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice | 12:27 |
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| khertan | héhé ... this is the problem with users, you can't release not yet finish apps. | 12:34 |
| khertan | they want finished apps. | 12:34 |
| khertan | far away from the philosophy: Release Early, Release Often | 12:34 |
| khertan | (this is also true with all that crappy "Store" | 12:35 |
| khertan | ) | 12:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: true and wrong | 12:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | they want to have an app even if it's buggy | 12:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | but when it's released they would tell you how crappy it is coz it's buggy | 12:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | so one way or another you would be blamed | 12:37 |
| khertan | no no ... they don't want buggy apps ... they whine and say apps crappy, even if you fix bugs | 12:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: you didn't get me | 12:37 |
| khertan | yeah :) | 12:37 |
| khertan | i understand after | 12:37 |
| khertan | hot reacting is bad :) | 12:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | if there is app that is not relesed yet but announced | 12:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | even not app but new PR | 12:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | everyone wants to install it as much early as possible | 12:38 |
| khertan | now i understand a bit more the secret philosophy of some company | 12:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | but than they just tell you how crappy it is after release =) | 12:38 |
| khertan | yeah, as it didn't implement the return value of the chair-keyboard interface | 12:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | the most annoying post on TMO was when someone told fMMS is a crap app. i wanted to punch that guy | 12:39 |
| khertan | of course users will whine | 12:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | after we had no mms on maemo and frals hard work, someone instead of saying how maybe to improve just told that app is crap. PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE | 12:40 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, haha, today, i ve try to see what's news on maemo by going to tmo | 12:40 |
| khertan | i ve seen this post : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1206401#post1206401 and close the browser | 12:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: most of posts are "Cmon guys we are cool community, do the app for me" instead of app put any closesourced app or one with no API (instagram, google+, iphone/android games) | 12:41 |
| khertan | sooooooo trruuuuueeeee | 12:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82140 | 12:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | check here, i actually tried to explaine it to one guy but he answered the same thing in different words to me everytime, i just gave up | 12:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i still think open source rules — http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjY | 12:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: can you pack khteditor as single package and upload to apps4meego? i understand it's more advance over SimpleText | 12:46 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, it s didn't work anymore due ... in fact i don't know why using QTextEdit make QMLEngine segfault | 12:47 |
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| khertan | look like pr1.2 break the things | 12:47 |
| khertan | and it s segfault (yeah ... python / pyside code ...) | 12:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 12:48 |
| khertan | Using QGraphicProxyWidget seems to make segfault qml engine in some circunstance | 12:48 |
| khertan | that i can't determine without leaving my hair | 12:48 |
| khertan | :) | 12:48 |
| khertan | ZogG, TxtPad isn't bad, still some bugs | 12:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: why don't you go for plain Qt, or it's impossible with harmattan | 12:49 |
| khertan | (sometime overwrite a file with an other due to problem in QML Qt component menu) | 12:49 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, plain qt is unusable on harmattan | 12:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | why so | 12:49 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, none theme, none vkb | 12:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG uses it in his facebook app as i understand | 12:50 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, slow as hell | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | MTF | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | no | 12:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG good morning | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | Fast as fuck ;) | 12:50 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, yeah mtf not plain qt ... mtf didn't have TextEdit component :) | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | Morning :) | 12:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: than create one =P | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | There's MTextEdit... | 12:50 |
| khertan | Morpog, MohammadAG | 12:50 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, did you try it ? | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | Bonjour khertan | 12:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | what MTF stands for btw | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | khertan: My status update sheet uses an MTextEdit for input | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | ~mtf | 12:51 |
| infobot | A Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/backup/mtf-0.1.src.tgz | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 12:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG The Fraud ? =) | 12:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | nono, its MohammadAG The First | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | ~mtf is also MeeGoTouchFramework, a deprecated framework that's miles faster than QML | 12:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | =P | 12:52 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 12:52 |
| khertan | the other reason to not use MTF is there is no pyside binding for it | 12:52 |
| khertan | :) | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | C++ | 12:52 |
| khertan | and that my previous test show that there was too many glitches to be use with vkb | 12:53 |
| khertan | but this was with beta firmware | 12:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | so it doesn't use qml at all? i know that most native apps from Nokia are MTF | 12:53 |
| khertan | C++ code don't compile on device | 12:53 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, no mtf didn't use qml | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | Install gcc | 12:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | you compile on device? | 12:54 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, it s a sort of fork of QtWidget framework | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | Who? Me? | 12:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | can't you compile on scratchbox or something? | 12:54 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, yeah i can, but i code in the train or metro :) | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | khertan: No, QGraphicsWidget :p | 12:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG even you | 12:54 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, indeed | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | I compile on my i5 laptop | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | I hate waiting | 12:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: don't tell me you code on device | 12:54 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, so why did i write code editor ? | 12:55 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, all my maemo/meego apps are coded on device | 12:55 |
| khertan | :) | 12:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG btw didn't wait till you go to Egypt to buy me cheap laptop and bought here expensive shit =) | 12:55 |
| Morpog | is there a way in irc-chatter to disable autoscroll? | 12:56 |
| khertan | my n950 is faster than my laptop : ARM 1Ghz vs ARM 400Mhz | 12:56 |
| khertan | :) | 12:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Morpog: don't think so, but you can request it from Venemo or other devs | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | Your laptop has a faster framework | 12:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: than you need to make app that also integrated with OBS for meego =P | 12:56 |
| Morpog | kinda annoying when reading old stuff and others are chatting :-) | 12:57 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, why integrated ? obs have an web interface | 12:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: so you code in editor and than it's automagically sends code to obs and than you get link for deb =) .... and BJ | 12:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw seriously i think github client would be nice, need to check the api | 12:59 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, no need to get link for deb ... i create binary and source package also on device | 12:59 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, http://khertan.net/PyPackager | 12:59 |
| khertan | :) | 12:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan you are crazy, so it's not an example | 12:59 |
| khertan | maybe | 12:59 |
| khertan | this is also why i need a hw keyboard on a phone | 12:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: you need to release more of your stuff to apps4meego | 13:00 |
| khertan | i was doing the same at the old time on my Palm TungstenTX with PalmPascal compiling on the go :) | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm not always can write on normal keyboard(i'm hyperactive and dyslex) i don't get how you manage on phone | 13:00 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, apps4meego sucks didn't like extern dependancies, didn't accept code without gui | 13:00 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, key are nearest than on a standart computer keyboard ... so less movement to reach the next key after pressing one :) | 13:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't remember both nicks but there are guys on maemo with gentoo on N900 and N810 | 13:02 |
| khertan | (i also use a compact keyboard on my desktop) | 13:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: btw ^ | 13:02 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, and on desktop i use openbox ... so i'm clearly not the average user | 13:03 |
| khertan | :) | 13:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: on desctop i use xfce4 but on laptop i use awesome wm | 13:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | thinking to try i3wm though | 13:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | or wmfs | 13:04 |
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| khertan | crunchbang in fact on desktop | 13:05 |
| khertan | less thing to configure | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: haha there is unity on arch btw | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | just reading tread now about it | 13:05 |
| khertan | crunchbang too on laptop, but mainly for terminator terminal use | 13:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: i tried arch, but i find all distros illogical comparing to gentoo/funtoo | 13:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think gentoo is most logical thing | 13:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | and with modern PC's compiling is nothing | 13:06 |
| khertan | crunchbang isn't so bad, it s a debian with an already made config for openbox | 13:07 |
| khertan | :) | 13:07 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, yeah but require time to install | 13:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i though it was arch based | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: actually it's really easy after you understand it | 13:07 |
| khertan | it s not ... put the usb key install ... almost nothing to maintain or to fix | 13:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm ready to help you to install funtoo if you want or gentoo | 13:07 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, it s didn't use apt tools ... this is already a problem :) | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: why is ti the problem? | 13:08 |
| khertan | because it s not apt :) | 13:08 |
| khertan | i like them, love them, use them, create some, require to test it for client | 13:08 |
| khertan | :à) | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | belive me once you understand use flags and portage all apt would look sad =) | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it has apt related stuff and you have scratchbox anyway | 13:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | app-arch/dpkg is there btw | 13:10 |
| khertan | :) | 13:11 |
| khertan | but why change, as actual config works, and works well ? :) | 13:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: just try on vmware or something | 13:13 |
| khertan | yeah, but first problem, no official support arm for arch linux | 13:14 |
| khertan | :) | 13:14 |
| khertan | will try just because never try it yet :) | 13:15 |
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| * khertan hate ubuntu, didn't like kde desktop, hate unity, didn't like gnome 3.2 (too much bug for the moment), didn't like gnome2, like tint2 and openbox | 13:16 | |
| * khertan love fremantle and harmattan | 13:16 | |
| khertan | :) | 13:16 |
| * khertan got some strange packages problem with lmde | 13:17 | |
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| ZogG_laptop | try xfce4 | 13:23 |
| merlin1991 | lmde? | 13:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | mint thing i think | 13:23 |
| khertan | linux mint debian edition | 13:24 |
| khertan | :) | 13:24 |
| * khertan don't like xfce4 | 13:24 | |
| khertan | :) | 13:24 |
| merlin1991 | so if you want help, state your problem ;) | 13:25 |
| khertan | i've no problem | 13:26 |
| khertan | really happy with crunchbang | 13:26 |
| khertan | :) | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | khertan got some strange packages problem with lmde | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | == no problem | 13:26 |
| merlin1991 | dafuq? | 13:26 |
| khertan | merlin1991, yeah ... oh ... was at the first release of lmde | 13:27 |
| khertan | i'm just enumerating my perfect distro research for my own use | 13:27 |
| khertan | MY OWN USE | 13:27 |
| khertan | :) | 13:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | use Librete Linux | 13:28 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 13:29 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop, wasn't the thing which media reports as "The Annonymous OS" ? | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol not all version of win8 would support DVD's videos =) | 13:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: yeap | 13:32 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, if only the preview release have a format option in their install tool | 13:35 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, it can't format a disk :) | 13:35 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, so i need to mount an other vm, to format the virtual disk | 13:35 |
| khertan | :) | 13:35 |
| khertan | ok it s a preview release not a final one | 13:36 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, anyway all windows users use vlc ;) | 13:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mplayer > * | 13:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: i'm talking not about preview i'm talking about release | 13:38 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, archlinux install isn't gui? | 13:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: don't remember | 13:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | i installed once, played for few days and got back to gentoo | 13:43 |
| khertan | arf | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: but there is arch+openbox outofbox distro i think | 13:44 |
| khertan | segfault | 13:44 |
| khertan | arf | 13:44 |
| khertan | (this can be due to the vm) | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: http://archvortex.blogspot.com/2011/09/simple-archbang-installation-guide.html | 13:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://millertechnologies.net/ | 13:49 |
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| rzr-got-n9-yeah | i got a new device , can you suggest some backup or anything before using/crashing it ? | 15:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr-got-n9-yeah: so now n900+n950+n9? | 15:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | mazal tov | 15:15 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | no n900 yet | 15:16 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | n810 | 15:16 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | n700 too | 15:16 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | n770 | 15:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha | 15:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | you need n900 man and n810 wimax edition for collection | 15:18 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | i wanted a n900 but that usb glitche retain me for buying it | 15:18 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | i also have a qt green phone and freerunner | 15:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | qt grenn phone? | 15:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | my n900 died with usb fallen off | 15:19 |
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| rzr-got-n9-yeah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenphone | 15:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | first time i heard of it | 15:23 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is there a project to put apps4meego client to ovi store? | 16:01 |
| Corsac | or is it against ovi policies? | 16:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: why would you want it in Ovi? | 16:02 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | i am usure because IICR ovi reclaim exclusivity of binaries distribution ... | 16:03 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | well double check | 16:03 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: to not have to enable external source installs (in case the app4meego client doesn't need it to run) | 16:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: it does need to add source, otherwise how would it install packages | 16:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's just gui for manager | 16:10 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: I know | 16:10 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: but I'm a bit unsure about what “allow installation from external sources” really means | 16:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: they have same aegis permittions as Ovi btw | 16:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | they got them from Nokia | 16:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | so no worries | 16:12 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you have tried the stuff :D | 16:12 |
| djszapi | not* | 16:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: gonna do it now | 16:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait gonna install it | 16:12 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: I assumed that “external sources” basically mean “using dpkg directly” or something like that | 16:12 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: make sure you have the latest. | 16:12 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mXxCKaN4R/ | 16:13 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: my guess was that, if they have the same aegis permissions as nokia, they should be considered as “certified sources” | 16:14 |
| Corsac | and thus don't need the “allow install from uncertified sources” | 16:14 |
| Corsac | but I might be wrong | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: you didn't get it | 16:15 |
| Corsac | maybe not | 16:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | the client and repos are not known as you add them from internets, but the packages on the repos are certificated | 16:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac: to get certificates you need to install at least from repo, but you can't install from there untill you add it =) | 16:16 |
| Corsac | that's exactly why I asked if there were plans to ship the client from ovi | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: installing it | 16:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: o you have hebrew as well, not my native but i live in Israel and my gf's native so i may check | 16:18 |
| djszapi | cannot recall sorry :) | 16:18 |
| djszapi | at least the menu and settings page strings should work if N9 supports that | 16:18 |
| djszapi | as for the lesson words, most likely not. | 16:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: installing | 16:19 |
| djszapi | no "he" for the lesson words, sorry. | 16:19 |
| djszapi | but perhaps she could help with translating so that it gets available for ot hers ? | 16:20 |
| djszapi | not just in kanagram, but also in other applications using the same database, like khangman. | 16:20 |
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| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/libkdeedu/repository/revisions/master/show/data/kvtml -> if she can help with translating the few words in there, that would be awesome. :) | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: bad for you, not me | 16:21 |
| djszapi | I can ask later the KDE "he" translation team as well. | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i'll ask you, but there is better solution, you know waze developer? | 16:21 |
| djszapi | nope | 16:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: found bug | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | started game | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was under space cathegory but it has numbers | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | switched to numbers it's still numbers | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | switched back to space and its space | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | probably it's first category by default first run but it shows second one | 16:24 |
| djszapi | there is one known bug | 16:24 |
| djszapi | it always picks up the first category | 16:24 |
| djszapi | after a language change | 16:24 |
| djszapi | or after a launch | 16:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yeah but it shows second one | 16:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | title is space but it was numbers | 16:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | while space is second and nubers is the first | 16:25 |
| djszapi | first category -> second | 16:25 |
| djszapi | since the indexing begins from zero | 16:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: and it crashed | 16:25 |
| djszapi | cool :) | 16:25 |
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| djszapi | beford: ping | 16:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yeah so it shows 1st cathegory at start while it uses words from 0 cathegory | 16:26 |
| djszapi | yep | 16:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i used answers (just checked words) fast one after another and it crashed | 16:26 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: com'on, where do you rush to... | 16:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i solved few | 16:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | and now checking if words right | 16:27 |
| djszapi | you are using russian words, right ? | 16:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you have specific check you want me to do - tell me i'll check | 16:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: right | 16:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | till now one i didnt one is the word, but it's probably me | 16:27 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 16:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is astonaut or how to spell it | 16:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | and cosmonaut | 16:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | the second is like first one but russian | 16:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | but there was metenaut or something there | 16:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: so you want me to check all words? | 16:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh also other things? | 16:45 |
| djszapi | have you also checked the hints in Russian ? | 16:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: no, gonna check now | 16:45 |
| djszapi | just my thoroughly, so the viruses can lay down properly :) | 16:46 |
| djszapi | use my app thoroughly* | 16:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | why does the main menu still in english? | 16:46 |
| djszapi | because your system language is English. | 16:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ok, another one, hint is no good if it's long sentence as you have time in corner and they lay on each other | 16:47 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: yes | 16:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | make hint background not transperent | 16:47 |
| djszapi | then you will not see from the timer. | 16:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: geature request - if i check not last letter i can swap it with other one | 16:49 |
| djszapi | that would complicate the workflow :) | 16:49 |
| djszapi | I am afraid. | 16:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | just thoughts | 16:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | as i n russia sometimes you pronounce «a» while you write «o» | 16:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | so u can make mistake | 16:50 |
| djszapi | you can revert a change | 16:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | so instead of whole word delete | 16:50 |
| djszapi | by tapping on the last character | 16:50 |
| djszapi | swapping is not possible for now. | 16:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 16:52 |
| djszapi | the problem is that it might require a lot of work with not so much gain. :/ | 16:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | hints are fine | 16:52 |
| djszapi | any Mac users here ? | 16:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | hints look fine | 16:53 |
| djszapi | right | 16:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: and again - why is UI still in english | 16:54 |
| djszapi | 16:47 < djszapi> because your system language is English. | 16:54 |
| djszapi | or the russian translators did not translate this yet. | 16:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: my system is in english right | 16:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i think it should be switched | 16:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | as well as i would make than two language setting | 16:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | one is dictionary or word's bank | 16:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | and other as menu | 16:55 |
| djszapi | why ? | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | if they are separeted | 16:56 |
| djszapi | you have a system language for each language | 16:56 |
| djszapi | it is not app specific | 16:56 |
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| djszapi | the in-app language selection is for that, what language you would like to learn | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you should go for full tranlation over menu and not half with setting and half with current local | 16:56 |
| djszapi | with the words. | 16:56 |
| djszapi | you confuse two things | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: than call it other thna language | 16:56 |
| djszapi | 1) Application translation 2) Lesson translation | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | call it Word's Bank Language or something | 16:56 |
| djszapi | switch your phone to Russian and you can test the menu and settings page strings | 16:57 |
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| tgalal | beford: yow | 17:01 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: thank you for your testing | 17:01 |
| djszapi | hope you did not find this too disgusting :D | 17:01 |
| djszapi | beford: ping | 17:02 |
| beford | hey djszapi tgalal | 17:02 |
| djszapi | beford: need a bit of help | 17:02 |
| tgalal | beford: how's last update? | 17:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: waaait, i can test more | 17:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | anything else particulary you want me to test? | 17:03 |
| beford | djszapi, yes tell me | 17:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: lol, what is coffee doing in computers category? | 17:04 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you do not drink coffee as a computer programmer ? | 17:04 |
| djszapi | :P | 17:04 |
| djszapi | beford: git clone git://gitorious.org/qtplayground/qtserialport.git | 17:05 |
| djszapi | cd qtserialport && qmake && make && ./examples/terminal/terminal | 17:05 |
| djszapi | does this run ? | 17:05 |
| beford | tgalal, it's great! I haven't had any problem yet :) | 17:05 |
| beford | djszapi, on OS X ? | 17:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: and there not enuf words in computer | 17:06 |
| djszapi | beford: yep, MAc. | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | add linux btw | 17:06 |
| djszapi | Mac* | 17:06 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: linux is dead xD | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford, tgalal good to hear =) | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: viva la Plan9 \0/ | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | or BeeOs ? | 17:06 |
| tgalal | beford, ZogG_laptop yeah great! :) | 17:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: change almost there ot 99,99% =P | 17:08 |
| Morpog | lol people would freak out again | 17:10 |
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| djszapi | beford: let me know if the example works fine, or it has troubles. | 17:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: make index page with warning that site was shutdown by USA fedaral antipiracy agentcy and that you was arrested =) | 17:12 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: lol, and I should also leave the Donate button anyway | 17:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | just change it to Bail From Jail | 17:15 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you can now vote in ovi, with "Cool app, one star" :) | 17:17 |
| tgalal | WHOA SOMETHING CHANGED IN WAZAPP SITE | 17:23 |
| djszapi | what is wazapp ? | 17:24 |
| Morpog | rofl | 17:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: looks the same (dyslexia here) | 17:25 |
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| Morpog | wonders how long it will take before the first whiner appears on tmo and tells us that this is the proof that its fake ;-) | 17:30 |
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| tgalal | LOL | 17:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: t in here is extra | 17:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hrete | 17:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | make it ltsmAo eHre | 17:34 |
| tgalal | or almost there :P | 17:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | ooooh | 17:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i though here | 17:36 |
| Morpog | lol | 17:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | than ehTre | 17:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | $ imgr 2012-05-14-203751_775x451_scrot.png | 17:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://i.imgur.com/fF83J.png | 17:38 |
| tgalal | there you go | 17:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: ^ | 17:38 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: endless possibilities could fit in at the moment :D | 17:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: now i go to forum and spread the rumors that if you changed than you are gonna release it tonight and that with other nick i'll say that you just trolling | 17:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than it would be fun | 17:39 |
| tgalal | well u don't need to do that, I bet the fun already started :D | 17:40 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: ^ | 17:40 |
| djszapi | beford: ping | 17:41 |
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| pa | how allowed is a program that "updates" itself ota? | 17:42 |
| pa | (i mean on the market) | 17:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: btw how do you think to integrate emotions? using harmattan natives or ...? | 17:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: rephrase | 17:42 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: wazapp has much more and different emotions | 17:43 |
| tgalal | so I guess it's gonna be a "one more" rip off lol | 17:43 |
| pa | ok, i mean, will nokia pass on ovi store an app that can update itself on the air? (without the need of updating the .deb i mean) | 17:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: i'm serious, if i have chat with official client how do smiles go both sides | 17:44 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: I am, I'll have to use whatsapp's original set | 17:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i wouldn't do it | 17:44 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, why? | 17:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i think you should just add function to check for updates and than update thru ovi | 17:44 |
| pa | hm | 17:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: because than QA is useless | 17:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | they checked your code, and than you can add anythig you want to it and they can't check | 17:45 |
| pa | well yeah | 17:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: so it makes QA useless | 17:47 |
| pa | well yeah, but there are advantages too | 17:48 |
| khertan | it ll be quite easy to execute unchecked code, as qml is interpreted | 17:48 |
| Morpog | tgalal maybe point the community to the original ones and let them create a new set. | 17:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/b606738b-83a7-4c43-96fd-3c964de7f938 instagram for windowsphone, lol just browsing | 17:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Morpog: there are no original ones | 17:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog: it's emotions from iphone | 17:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | or they have there own ? | 17:49 |
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| Morpog | if i remember correctl on symbian it was their own. | 17:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't have whats app here | 17:51 |
| Morpog | dont have my n8 here | 17:53 |
| faenil | I've got n8 | 17:54 |
| Morpog | and whatsapp? how much emoticons are they and can you extract/export them? | 17:56 |
| faenil | let me give it a look | 17:57 |
| faenil | my gf is using my n8 atm | 17:57 |
| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 17:57 |
| faenil | hey djszapi :) | 17:57 |
| djszapi | 'sup volleyball championship master ;) | 17:58 |
| faenil | we lost yesterday :( 4° place for us | 17:58 |
| faenil | damnit! | 17:58 |
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| djszapi | go home and practice then xD | 17:58 |
| faenil | ehehe :D | 17:59 |
| faenil | coding atm, I'll practise later, k dad? :D | 17:59 |
| djszapi | well, if you get five marks in the school my kid :p | 18:00 |
| djszapi | or whatever the best is in Italy :) | 18:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: than tell us about your gf meanwhile | 18:01 |
| faenil | :D | 18:01 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, lol | 18:01 |
| djszapi | lol | 18:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll check my gf's blackberry | 18:01 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: whatsapp uses "emoji" which I think is available for download publicly | 18:04 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, whatsapp doesn't start on my n8, too old version it says, redownloading it now | 18:05 |
| djszapi | why is this wazapp this famous ? | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | Emoji from iOS5 | 18:05 |
| djszapi | what does it can do for me ? | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | Emoji is from iOS * | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, nothing, if you don't need it, don't know what it does | 18:05 |
| djszapi | wazapp flows even from the tap in here :) | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | original is called whatsapp fyi | 18:07 |
| djszapi | ohh, that does not sound cool :) | 18:07 |
| faenil | LOL EPIC FAIL, N8 takes me to windows phone marketplace to download whatsapp XD | 18:08 |
| faenil | so, it seems I can't download whatsapp from the phone... | 18:09 |
| faenil | god this is so stupid | 18:09 |
| faenil | they don't even check the OS of the model which has that UA? | 18:10 |
| faenil | ...-.- | 18:10 |
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| djszapi | faenil: I told ya go back and practice volleyball instead ;) | 18:10 |
| faenil | lol you should tell that to whatsapp's webmasters | 18:10 |
| tgalal | I wonder what whatsapp's reaction towards wazapp means, which is absolute silence | 18:11 |
| Morpog | faenil, try via nokia store | 18:11 |
| djszapi | faenil: perhaps it is not wazapp enough | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | tgalal, they probably don't know about it | 18:13 |
| faenil | Morpog, it says "Launch" in the store | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | That's why we need marketing | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | I'll tweet about it for $1/tweet | 18:14 |
| faenil | and whatsapp says "your app is too old,go to whatsapp.com/download to download the new one" | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | $0.7 for each retweet | 18:14 |
| faenil | which then takes you to WINDOWS PHONE MARKETPLACE | 18:14 |
| faenil | LOOOOOL | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, open whatsapp.com | 18:14 |
| Morpog | the store has a section where you can do updates, just like with n9 | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | faenil, you seem happy, or high, whichever's making you caps lock :P | 18:14 |
| tgalal | faenil: drop your N8 and go for N9 and wazapp :P | 18:14 |
| tgalal | MohammadAG: yeah, and what else? lol | 18:15 |
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| Morpog | i stll love the n8s cam, n9s one sucks :-) | 18:15 |
| faenil | tgalal, not using my N8 :) using Lumia800 and Playbook atm :) | 18:15 |
| faenil | MohammadAG, I'm just shocked :D | 18:15 |
| faenil | true, N8's cam is very nice :) | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | tgalal, nothing, that's enough marketing for whatsapp to notice :) | 18:18 |
| tgalal | MohammadAG: oh maybe I should also add a bigger donate button to your paypal account on the website as well :D | 18:21 |
| djszapi | beford: ping | 18:21 |
| djszapi | anybody else with Mac in here ? | 18:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: helped tgalal with code? | 18:22 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: MohammadAG is dying to see the code :P | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | tgalal, I've seen the notification code! | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | tgalal, no no, just on first startup and each page in the app | 18:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | what are you talking about | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | but yeah, I'm dying to see the rest of the code | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | well, cause I feel like one less python app is better for everyone | 18:25 |
| tgalal | lol what's wrong with python | 18:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: would rewrite to MTF? | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | Just that, it's python | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, yes | 18:26 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: if I release the code :P | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | We could always incept, RE and RE | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | an* | 18:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: why didn't you try to write from scratch | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | cause I hate working with XMPP | 18:27 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, lol ... an other python hater | 18:28 |
| khertan | arf | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | if he gave me all the code on 29/4 I would've released the MTF version on 1/5 | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | /2013 | 18:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: don't say HOP before you jump over | 18:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i know you are good programmer | 18:29 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, more python apps we have, better it ll be for users | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | I've worked with XMPP before | 18:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i remember you just starting =P | 18:29 |
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| MohammadAG | more Python apps rewritten in MTF, the better it'll be for RAM and the CPU | 18:29 |
| khertan | in fact, not really true ... if you write it well, it could use less CPU and RAM than poorly written things in mtf | 18:30 |
| khertan | and will be portable | 18:30 |
| khertan | as mtf is deprecated, and none binding exists for python | 18:30 |
| khertan | you can't use currently mtf with python on harmattan | 18:31 |
| khertan | so use qml is the only choice | 18:31 |
| khertan | and this is where we lost memory and cpu :) | 18:31 |
| khertan | qmlengine | 18:31 |
| khertan | not python | 18:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: if it good written in MTF it would be better imo | 18:31 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, as mtf isn't really maintained let me doubt | 18:32 |
| khertan | :) | 18:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | f# that | 18:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | use assembly for mips | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, seriously, mtf being deprecated is a weak weak argument | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | the platform you're developing on is dead | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | move to iOS/android | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | see? two can moot-argue | 18:32 |
| javispedro | that has been my point since the day it was released ;) | 18:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | what i affraid harmattan wouldn't be supported like maemo after nokia have ditched it | 18:34 |
| djszapi | oh damn... | 18:35 |
| djszapi | my #meltemi channel registration was handed over to the freenode staff after my accidental unregistration on freenode. xD | 18:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: haha i think it's taken | 18:36 |
| djszapi | yep for Windows purposes :) | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i think meltmi is step back to first step of six =) | 18:37 |
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| djszapi | I hope they will give out next-billion devices at the QtCS. | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | i always here about eco system and next billion from nokia | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | but they are saying it for years and no result | 18:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well as a lot of symbian qt apps not ported to maemo and harmattan | 18:40 |
| djszapi | you have wrong ears :P | 18:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | what do you mean? | 18:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | here = hear btw | 18:43 |
| djszapi | wth | 18:43 |
| djszapi | there is this openfec project | 18:43 |
| djszapi | and they do not have an install target generated with cmake ??? | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | and? | 18:43 |
| djszapi | I wrote to the guy | 18:43 |
| djszapi | since the repository is not even available... | 18:43 |
| djszapi | he told me that install target is unnecessary | 18:43 |
| djszapi | WTF! | 18:43 |
| djszapi | I cannot even send a patch since the repository is not shared, just released tarball | 18:43 |
| djszapi | and he desperately thinks this is a good way of developing | 18:43 |
| djszapi | well, who cares about his stuff, I do not. | 18:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you can fork if you have sources | 18:44 |
| djszapi | ...or I can just a properly distributed open project. | 18:44 |
| djszapi | use* | 18:44 |
| djszapi | seriously, no install target ? | 18:44 |
| djszapi | what the heck ? | 18:44 |
| djszapi | no open repository in an _open_foo project? What the heck ? | 18:45 |
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| djszapi | thanks, but no thanks from their software. | 18:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you acting like a girl =P | 18:49 |
| djszapi | no, they are acting like 30 years ago | 18:49 |
| djszapi | when there was no VCS system | 18:49 |
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| djszapi | but even at the old times, Makefiles consisted of install targets | 18:50 |
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| djszapi | how can *anybody* install the software without a local patch by *each* single customer ? | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | FEC - for what? | 18:53 |
| djszapi | perhaps you wanna read the theory behind FEc. | 18:53 |
| djszapi | FEC* | 18:53 |
| djszapi | at least the guy told me they have presentations published. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I know the theory. | 18:54 |
| djszapi | anyway, openfec -> big no go. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you have some application in mind. | 18:54 |
| djszapi | sorry, I cannot share the business logic. | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 18:54 |
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| djszapi | I am unsure I have ever seen a C++ library in the last few years which does not provide an install target, nor a VCS repository and the name begins with _open_ | 18:55 |
| * djszapi is checking fecpp | 18:57 | |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: have you ever used a fec library ? | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I've only coded it myself | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And really basic stuff | 19:00 |
| djszapi | right | 19:00 |
| djszapi | I need Optimized Reed-Solomon. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | RS isn't very computationally expensive - or do you mean for large volumes of data? | 19:01 |
| djszapi | no, just few bytes | 19:01 |
| faenil | what do you use to put some space between some elements in a Column? a transparent rectangle? | 19:02 |
| djszapi | faenil: space ? | 19:03 |
| faenil | empty space | 19:03 |
| djszapi | what is wrong about "spacing" ? | 19:03 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/qml-column.html?tab=1#spacing-prop | 19:03 |
| faenil | that it's applied to all elements? ... | 19:03 |
| djszapi | between the elements, yes... | 19:04 |
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| faenil | I didn't write between the elements :P | 19:04 |
| djszapi | "what do you use to put some space between some elements in a Column?" | 19:04 |
| faenil | okay, now read it | 19:04 |
| faenil | :D | 19:04 |
| djszapi | again, spacing was designed for that. | 19:05 |
| faenil | definition: The spacing is the amount in pixels left empty between adjacent items. The default spacing is 0. | 19:05 |
| faenil | it is the same for all elements. | 19:05 |
| faenil | Now...I want some space between SOME elements | 19:05 |
| djszapi | and what is the problem ? | 19:06 |
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| djszapi | I am really not getting this since it is basic QML | 19:06 |
| djszapi | how to position certain elements to each other. | 19:06 |
| faenil | I was just asking how you usually do it, since a transparent rectangle seemed weird | 19:06 |
| djszapi | that is totally broken idea. | 19:06 |
| faenil | exactly | 19:07 |
| faenil | so. | 19:07 |
| djszapi | perhaps you might wanna read about margins | 19:07 |
| faenil | I know about margins | 19:07 |
| djszapi | or putting the internal elements into a column, etc | 19:07 |
| djszapi | tons of ways existing. | 19:07 |
| faenil | oh for god's sake djszapi :D | 19:07 |
| djszapi | what is the exact problem ? | 19:07 |
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| faenil | did anyone understand my question? :D | 19:07 |
| faenil | that I have one column | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | which reminds me, how do I have a spacer in MTF.... | 19:07 |
| faenil | and want to put some space only between some elements | 19:07 |
| djszapi | faenil: I do not understand your problem | 19:08 |
| djszapi | you have tons of ways to achieve that | 19:08 |
| djszapi | what is the exact problem ? | 19:08 |
| djszapi | which way have you tried ? | 19:08 |
| faenil | name one ;) | 19:08 |
| djszapi | margins ? | 19:08 |
| djszapi | puttin the relevant items into another column ? etc | 19:09 |
| faenil | the Column docs says you should not play with margins,anchors, positions, etc of the items inside a colum | 19:09 |
| faenil | without using another column :) | 19:09 |
| faenil | so margins is out | 19:09 |
| djszapi | why cannot you use margin ? | 19:10 |
| djszapi | that makes no sense to me | 19:10 |
| faenil | because docs say you should not | 19:10 |
| djszapi | you can always even use an Item container | 19:10 |
| djszapi | and use the marging or spacing inside | 19:10 |
| djszapi | what is this hard ? | 19:10 |
| faenil | -.- | 19:10 |
| djszapi | really tons of ways in basic qml :) | 19:10 |
| djszapi | you try to use Column how it was not supposed to be used | 19:11 |
| faenil | ok so the answer is: you can't do that with a column | 19:11 |
| faenil | that's it | 19:11 |
| faenil | ;) | 19:11 |
| djszapi | of course you can | 19:11 |
| djszapi | I even mentioned many ways | 19:11 |
| faenil | you mentioned ways which are against docs | 19:11 |
| djszapi | no | 19:11 |
| faenil | and which require adding columns :) | 19:12 |
| djszapi | do not misinterpret me, nor the docs | 19:12 |
| faenil | ok :P | 19:12 |
| djszapi | I have said use Column internally for spacing where they are equal. | 19:12 |
| djszapi | or item with margin. | 19:12 |
| faenil | Item inside the column right? | 19:12 |
| djszapi | well, that is not the best | 19:12 |
| djszapi | I would use another column | 19:12 |
| djszapi | since you need a column anyway | 19:12 |
| faenil | leave out another column... | 19:13 |
| djszapi | why would you ? | 19:13 |
| djszapi | you wanna have columns | 19:13 |
| djszapi | with spacings | 19:13 |
| faenil | djszapi, just beacuse I don't want to :) | 19:13 |
| djszapi | so make a column for column purposes with different spacings | 19:13 |
| djszapi | what is wrong ? | 19:13 |
| djszapi | well, if you do not wanna get the correct answer, then do not ask xD | 19:13 |
| faenil | nothing, just want to see if there's any decent solution to my question | 19:13 |
| faenil | djszapi, you keep saying ideas which go against my prereqs :D | 19:14 |
| faenil | no other columns | 19:14 |
| djszapi | then why ask ? | 19:14 |
| faenil | why not? | 19:14 |
| djszapi | if you do not wanna solve it how it is supposed to be solved ? | 19:14 |
| djszapi | meh | 19:14 |
| djszapi | then I can ignore the next question :P | 19:14 |
| faenil | lol | 19:14 |
| faenil | the question wasn't "how to reproduce that layout" :) | 19:15 |
| faenil | the question was "what would you do to put different space between elements of one, same, column" | 19:15 |
| faenil | if you want to add columns, or change the layout in other ways, just do not answer ;) don't take it as an offence bro :) | 19:16 |
| faenil | I don't want to solve a problem, I was just curious | 19:16 |
| faenil | to see what qml and its elements can/can't do | 19:16 |
| faenil | I know that using another column is better :) | 19:16 |
| faenil | is it clear now ? :) | 19:17 |
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| faenil | anyone? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, sometimes "dialogs" in this chan get pretty hilarious, esp when /ignore kicks in turning a dialog into a monologue | 19:18 |
| faenil | exactly | 19:18 |
| faenil | noted this is the case :) | 19:18 |
| faenil | noticed* | 19:19 |
| faenil | pretty easy to argue with djszapi :D | 19:19 |
| faenil | ok, it seems qml can't do that and that's it :) | 19:22 |
| djszapi | I told you ? | 19:24 |
| faenil | what are you referring to? | 19:24 |
| djszapi | nvm | 19:25 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: oh yeah, the guy wrote that he can generate an installer target (one liner) in the next release upcoming. :) | 19:27 |
| djszapi | s/installer/install/ | 19:27 |
| infobot | djszapi meant: SpeedEvil: oh yeah, the guy wrote that he can generate an install target (one liner) in the next release upcoming. :) | 19:27 |
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| djszapi | merlin1991: ping | 19:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal_: i'm already trolling with you changing letters =) | 19:34 |
| djszapi | ah! So qmlapplicationviewer.h is generated by qtcreator. | 19:35 |
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| djszapi | I am unsure if that class is useful for desktop. I wonder why that is generated for desktop. | 19:37 |
| pa | great, app finished.. | 19:40 |
| pa | now the problem is to pack it | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what app? | 19:40 |
| pa | support for multiple gmail accounts for fetching the contacts | 19:40 |
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| pa | i support even contact groups :) | 19:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: separete or integrated? | 19:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | fetch to system or oin app contacts? | 19:44 |
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| pa | no, only google contacts groups | 19:47 |
| pa | they are not mapped to harmattan contacts groups | 19:48 |
| pa | which i find a little unpractical :) | 19:48 |
| pa | i guess i should also add an gui, to get to the store | 19:48 |
| pa | a gui, sorry | 19:49 |
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| djszapi | pa: you do not need to. | 19:49 |
| djszapi | pa: even a simple plugin can get into without any UI. | 19:49 |
| pa | ah cool | 19:49 |
| pa | but i have a command line tool | 19:50 |
| pa | which probably requires dev enabled | 19:50 |
| pa | otherwise no terminal | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: irssi chat is there | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | in OVI | 19:50 |
| pa | ah.. | 19:50 |
| pa | cool :) | 19:51 |
| djszapi | you do not even need a command line :) | 19:52 |
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| pa | then i guess i just need to pack it properly | 19:52 |
| pa | not with pyside assistant | 19:52 |
| pa | need to find out how, with scratchbox | 19:53 |
| djszapi | I can help, if you have issues | 19:54 |
| pa | well, i just never did it before | 19:54 |
| pa | i will look into it, but thanks | 19:55 |
| pa | if i have issues i'll come back here :) | 19:55 |
| djszapi | good luck | 19:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | nice | 20:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | new flexible screens were presented today | 20:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGNRSH9JYio&feature=player_embedded | 20:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | cutting them with scisors do not harm the work | 20:13 |
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| djszapi | amazing | 20:16 |
| faenil | wow | 20:21 |
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| faenil | incredible | 20:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | there are few more videos of how it's flexibale | 20:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I note that he's cutting it directly up the middle | 21:02 |
| Arie | no one's here | 21:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you do that with a (glass) dual-sided panel - you get the same result | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (clearly, you can't use scissors | 21:02 |
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| djszapi | beford: ping | 21:14 |
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| Arie | tgalal_: wazzap | 21:51 |
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| djszapi | beford: super ping :) | 22:00 |
| Arie | try bedf0rd: ping | 22:01 |
| djszapi | why would I ? | 22:02 |
| Arie | whats up | 22:02 |
| djszapi | I need Mac help | 22:03 |
| djszapi | pretty hard to debug the issue without a Mac machine :) | 22:03 |
| djszapi | I could tell what to do, what to inject, etc, but I do not have Mac :( | 22:03 |
| Arie | djszapi: I don't own a mac | 22:05 |
| djszapi | anyway, I pretty much figured out the issue | 22:08 |
| djszapi | and I need to ask for help on the qt development mailing list | 22:08 |
| djszapi | since it runs over my skills. | 22:08 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | u can install osx in vmware | 22:11 |
| djszapi | no warez thanks. | 22:13 |
| rzr-got-n9-yeah | u can buy it :) | 22:14 |
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| achilless999 | hi | 22:16 |
| achilless999 | i'm having problems in using QT SDK on windows! can anyone help on this? | 22:16 |
| achilless999 | i'm new to QT & harmattan | 22:17 |
| achilless999 | i created helloworld project & set run target to run on my n9 device.. | 22:17 |
| achilless999 | but it doesn't launch the helloworld project | 22:17 |
| achilless999 | can someone please help? | 22:17 |
| jonni | and your connectivity tests work then you pair your device? and have deployed ssh keys? | 22:19 |
| achilless999 | yes, I have deploye ssh keys and connectivity test is good | 22:19 |
| jonni | and what kind of error message it shows in there screen? | 22:20 |
| achilless999 | let me re-build & I will paste the error. in 2 mins! | 22:21 |
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| jonni | usually the compile output shows whats wrong | 22:21 |
| achilless999 | just to make sure..I have to connect the device in sdk mode only , is that right? | 22:23 |
| jonni | yes sdk mode if your developing over usbnet, although it also works over wifi if your desktop and device is on same wlan | 22:24 |
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| achilless999 | this is the build log http://pastebin.com/GAm3V30t | 22:25 |
| achilless999 | there were many errors :( | 22:25 |
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| jonni | achilless999: that log says that it istalled the deb succesfully | 22:27 |
| achilless999 | but the application ouput says this "Killing remote process(es)... Starting remote process ... Remote process started. sh: /opt/helloworld/bin/helloworld: not found Finished running remote process. Exit code was 127" | 22:27 |
| jonni | but yes it installs the deb, but most likely its empty debian package since debian generating phase shows errors | 22:29 |
| achilless999 | also if you search the build log for string "Error" you will see few errors. I couldn't figure out what they mean | 22:29 |
| jonni | /bin/sh: line 0: test: /c/Users/saddanki/Documents/Synergy/Qt: binary operator expected, most likely your Qt environment is broken | 22:30 |
| jonni | ie reinstall the SDK | 22:30 |
| jonni | might be because you have space in path name | 22:30 |
| jonni | which is a no-no | 22:31 |
| jonni | you are not allowed to have spaces | 22:31 |
| jonni | so rename "Qt Projects" to Qt_Projects" and it will help you | 22:31 |
| achilless999 | ok. let me try that..thanks @jonni | 22:31 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 22:35 |
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| achilless999 | spaces in directory is the issue..worked now | 22:42 |
| achilless999 | though it worked..i see some other errors..like to know what does that mean | 22:43 |
| achilless999 | "Installation to sysroot failed, continuing anyway" | 22:43 |
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| achilless999 | I see this error during build.. "Installation to sysroot failed, continuing anyway"! what does this mean? | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone good with Qt models? | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's the SDK sysroot | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | if you don't need the app installed in the SDK, ignore it | 22:53 |
| achilless999 | so, it does nothing to do with simulation on device. thanks! | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | nope, you're welcome :) | 22:54 |
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| achilless999 | also, does simulating on device, changes any packages on device? | 22:56 |
| djszapi | jonni: are you familiar with qmake ? | 23:01 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: I am not good with Qt models, but shoot ;) | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | I asked on the oh so helpful #qt, but here goes | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | I have a model with an ImageLoader class instance in it, ImageLoader is a simplified class that loads images from a URL using QNetworkAccessManager::get | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | ImageLoader fetches the image, then emits imageLoaded(), the model receives this and should emit dataChanged then | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | it does receive the signal, and the correct index is detected, but dataChanged() doesn't seem to be updating the item correctly | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | emit dataChanged(index(0, dataChangedForIndex, QModelIndex()), index(0, dataChangedForIndex, QModelIndex())); <-- this is how I'm emitting the signal | 23:06 |
| djszapi | beford: ping :) | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi, so? :P | 23:19 |
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| djszapi | why would you emit the signal ? | 23:24 |
| djszapi | wouldn't you like to instead set the data ? | 23:24 |
| djszapi | you have an own QAIM subclass ? | 23:24 |
| djszapi | emit dataChanged( index, index ); | 23:25 |
| djszapi | I personally emit this way. | 23:26 |
| djszapi | inside the setData method | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | and how do you get the index? | 23:26 |
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| djszapi | setData has that as a parameter | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | I don't think I can do it that way | 23:28 |
| djszapi | or even insertRows | 23:29 |
| djszapi | those methods all have the index as a parameter | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | can you take a look at the model? | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/blobs/master/src/models/facebookobjectmodel.cpp | 23:29 |
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| djszapi | appendObject ? | 23:30 |
| djszapi | that is weird. | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | it's a custom method | 23:31 |
| djszapi | well | 23:31 |
| djszapi | insertRows does have index method | 23:31 |
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| djszapi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qabstractitemmodel.html#insertRows | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | the data isn't available when I do insertRows | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | this images are fetched from a URL | 23:31 |
| djszapi | insert a row when there are available. | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | not the best UX | 23:32 |
| djszapi | in any case, you can get the index | 23:32 |
| djszapi | no matter when | 23:32 |
| djszapi | I have not personally used anything else with dataChanged signal than insertRows or setData. | 23:33 |
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| djszapi | check your index if valid. | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 23:36 |
| djszapi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qmodelindex.html#isValid | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | didn't expect that, sorry :p | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | seems to always return true | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | or not | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | had columns and rows swapped | 23:44 |
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