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| Venemo | hi | 00:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hey Venemo | 00:40 |
| Venemo | hey | 00:40 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 00:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i've asked here before, but maybe people have some better ideas now | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what is an awesome N9 case? | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm getting rather sick of the in-box sleeve, it renders the N9 rather ugly, doesn't protect the camera, and collects dust | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | plus the top-left bit is so flimsy | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to have a sleeve or something | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i don't know what a) looks nice, b) fits the n9 well | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | i personally use a pouch | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which one? | 01:10 |
| teleshoes | just a draw-string style bag | 01:10 |
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| teleshoes | prevents my keys from scratching the screen, and absorbs some shock if i drop it, nothing really useful | 01:11 |
| teleshoes | i dont think any sleeve will be non-ugly | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just realized i used the word sleeve twice with different meanings, lol | 01:12 |
| teleshoes | heh | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i'm thinking like a pouch type of sleeve | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i had a proporta thing for my E71 but i don't know if they make anything that both looks good and fits the n9 | 01:13 |
| teleshoes | theres a leather one that is purported to fit it nicely | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia one? supposedly it barely fits at all | 01:13 |
| teleshoes | i think its ugly, ugly, ugly | 01:13 |
| teleshoes | no, | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the in-box case for the white n9 | 01:13 |
| teleshoes | an unofficial one | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which one? | 01:13 |
| teleshoes | lemme see if i can find it | 01:13 |
| ajalkane | The one that comes with white N9 fits like a glove | 01:14 |
| ajalkane | A tight glove, actually | 01:14 |
| teleshoes | ...like a glove fits oj simpson | 01:14 |
| ajalkane | You can't murder anyone wearing the white N9 pouch, mind you | 01:14 |
| teleshoes | mm | 01:15 |
| ajalkane | No wiggle room for holding hammer or strangling anyone | 01:15 |
| teleshoes | anyone know about this? | 01:15 |
| teleshoes | http://www.amazon.com/PDair-Leather-Case-Nokia-N9/dp/B0063Z9O5I/ref=pd_cp_e_2 | 01:15 |
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| teleshoes | PDair Leather Case for Nokia N9 - Book Type | 01:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't think the pdair cases are very good | 01:16 |
| teleshoes | i cant find the one im looking for; it looked real cow-hide-leather-ish | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems like most generic/generic-ish leather cases are to be avoided | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact most leather cases altogether | 01:16 |
| teleshoes | yea, as a general rule | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it's usually going to be some cheapo stuff | 01:16 |
| Tronic | Why? | 01:16 |
| teleshoes | quality of material | 01:17 |
| Tronic | I suppose for the cheaper stuff. | 01:17 |
| Tronic | I suppose the biggest problem really is how they are sewed. | 01:18 |
| Tronic | You can see them already breaking in the stores. | 01:18 |
| Tronic | But e.g. Canon leather cases have been extremely durable, as well as most leather wallets that I've had. | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: right, but you can get actual high quality leather wallets from actual high quality brands | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't really exist with cell phone cases | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | closest thing is maybe those noreve cases and those aren't really actually high quality either | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just expensive (for a cell phone case, anyway) | 01:22 |
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| ukhamitov | hello | 04:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup ukhamitov | 04:43 |
| ukhamitov | how i can backup my apps? | 04:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | you can't, really...but you could download the debs for the apps you need and keep those on your computer | 04:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dammit | 04:51 |
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| CreamyG31337 | haha | 05:07 |
| CreamyG31337 | impatient ppl | 05:08 |
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| Corsac | hmh did someone try to tether on n9 using wvdial? | 08:06 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey guys:) | 15:04 |
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| aquarius | grumble. The tiniest python+qml harmattan program, run in scratchbox, and console.log()s from JavaScript in the QML don't print on the console. Are they supposed to? | 15:12 |
| aquarius | this stuff is dead confusing; I can't tell whether it's supposed to work and I'm just thick, or what :) | 15:13 |
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| aquarius | code (all 40 lines of it) at http://paste.ubuntu.com/952266/ -- do I need to be grabbing a "console log" signal in Python and printing the parameters to it or something? As far as I can tell every guide out there ont he web just says "use console.log" and expects it to work :) | 15:15 |
| alterego | No, though you might have to setup a logger. Not used Python and QML. | 15:16 |
| aquarius | alterego, I am most puzzled as to why I don't see the output :( | 15:22 |
| aquarius | from a QML perspective, I've got the oncompleted handler in the right place, yes? That is: that console.log will be fired when the app loads? | 15:23 |
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| aquarius | javascript *errors* are printed on the console fine | 15:26 |
| aquarius | maybe I should just define my own signal and use that for logging. sigh :) | 15:27 |
| alterego | I'd maybe ask Python Qt guys about it, it would be preferable to use the appropriate way of logging messages .. | 15:27 |
| jonni | by default console.log writes to dev/null in release binaries if I remember right | 15:28 |
| jonni | you need to enable it manually if you want stdout | 15:28 |
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| aquarius | ! | 15:29 |
| aquarius | jonni, aha! How do I enable it manually? | 15:29 |
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| aquarius | that sounds like exactly my problem :) | 15:31 |
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| jonni | aquarius: I usually add this helper function to get all debugging messages and console.logs into screen during development phase, and then just comment out that messagehandler when I release to ovi store. http://pastebin.com/T5G5XSEk | 15:36 |
| alterego | I'd use a command line flag, but that's just me :P | 15:36 |
| aquarius | useful! | 15:36 |
| aquarius | qInstallMsghandler, eh? | 15:36 |
| jonni | aquarius: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qtglobal.html#qInstallMsgHandler | 15:39 |
| aquarius | ok, that seems to work. nice | 15:42 |
| aquarius | it gets called for *all* debug messages, not just my console log messages, but that's fine :) | 15:43 |
| jonni | you can add filterin in that function only to print your messages | 15:43 |
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| aquarius | oh, sure | 15:46 |
| aquarius | ok, now I need to man up and read about displayable lists. thanks, jonni and alterego! | 15:48 |
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| djszapi | hey, anybody having a Mac in here ? | 16:02 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have an apple product. | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean to ebay it | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Monitor-G090S-825-0997-A-Vintage-Composite-Green-RCA-115V-Display-/130592033547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e67e44b0b | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | To be specific | 16:13 |
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| Jare | lol, why would someone pay a hundred euros for one of those | 16:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | steam for linux is confirmed! | 16:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually... | 16:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the articles are just echoing the phoronix stuff the other day | 16:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doesn't look like valve put out a press release or anything of that sort | 16:38 |
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| Termana | itsnotabigtruck, wow, slow down there fella, did you know you were going 100MBPS above the limit? | 16:41 |
| Termana | 100MBP/s* | 16:41 |
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| Termana | 100 million backpedals per second above the limit | 16:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 16:42 |
| Jaffa_ | djszapi: My wife's got a MacBook Air | 16:42 |
| djszapi | Jaffa_: I would need someone to build a simple qt add-on for one information. | 16:43 |
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| djszapi | only prerequisite is Qt on the system. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | QtCore, to be precise. | 16:43 |
| Jaffa_ | djszapi: Does it need to be built (i.e. Qt Creator) - or just run? | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I need to get that built. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I would need the information where the output library is built in the project tree. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | it is projectroot/src on Linux, projectroot/{release,debug} on Windows. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | I would like to make sure the relevant patch is cross-platform | 16:44 |
| Jaffa_ | I'll set Qt Creator up later | 16:45 |
| djszapi | ok, feel free to ping me in private. I will leave this channel soon. | 16:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what's the most harmattanish way to make a messagebox | 16:52 |
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| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck: QueryDialog with a single OK button | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-querydialog.html hmm, sounds good | 16:57 |
| djszapi | yep, that is what people use including me. | 16:58 |
| djszapi | by the way, how much usage did qt5 get on Harmattan amongst application developers ? | 16:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it | 16:59 |
| djszapi | though, ok button is not stricly needed since it is simple to dismiss anyway | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *it's not even officially out on the desktop, is it? | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw how backward compatible is qt5 with qt4 | 16:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | would it be possible to replace qt4 with qt5? | 17:00 |
| djszapi | it is not fully | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure that wasn't the case with qt3 -> qt4 | 17:00 |
| djszapi | depends | 17:00 |
| djszapi | attica built oob | 17:00 |
| djszapi | mula did not | 17:00 |
| djszapi | khangman did not | 17:00 |
| djszapi | kanagram did not | 17:00 |
| djszapi | gluon did not | 17:00 |
| djszapi | etc | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so installing qt5 as libqt4blahblah is probably a no go then | 17:00 |
| djszapi | fromevery pov possible. | 17:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where *are* the latest harmattan qt5 packages, anyway | 17:01 |
| djszapi | at the same place like half a year ago | 17:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doesn't help >_> | 17:01 |
| djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-January/001371.html | 17:02 |
| djszapi | well, you should google :) | 17:02 |
| djszapi | andfrom February: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-February/001795.html | 17:03 |
| djszapi | apparently not fully half a year ago | 17:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://qtlabs.org.br/~lmoura/qt5/ looks like it's that | 17:05 |
| djszapi | toobad | 17:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | could have just linked it x_x esp because your 1st link points nowhere near that and the 2nd one is 3 levels of indirection away | 17:05 |
| jonni | http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9 | 17:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, hm, last modified march | 17:06 |
| djszapi | that is what I meant by too bad :) | 17:06 |
| djszapi | quite outdated. | 17:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also https://qt.gitorious.org/~lauromoura/qt-components/lauromoura-qt-components this probably needs to be synced to the pr1.3 changes to qt components | 17:07 |
| djszapi | jonni: that page is utterly broken | 17:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: it is however the one i found that repo from though, so yeah | 17:07 |
| djszapi | take a look at the sources link at the end | 17:07 |
| jonni | if you want latest version of qt5 for n9 you can built it yourself by following http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/SettingUpDevelopmentEnvironmentForN9 | 17:07 |
| djszapi | no | 17:07 |
| djszapi | it was first only on the mailing list | 17:07 |
| djszapi | and then we asked the guys to put in there. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | I kinda hoped for proper links, and not broken when we asked him... | 17:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean 'broken'? they seem to work, except they're all to lauromoura's forks | 17:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm guessing that "stock" qt5 doesn't build/work on harmattan or something | 17:08 |
| djszapi | broken here. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | perhaps gitorious fail again as every single day | 17:09 |
| djszapi | but it is definitely broken here. | 17:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what happens when you click them...i just get the usual gitorious page | 17:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gitorious is unreliable but not that much | 17:09 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it works now. | 17:12 |
| djszapi | prolly gitorious outage as usual. | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/iAw3h.png :/ | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | damn preorder dlc | 17:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, maybe the qt5 port can be revived and included in a harmattan CSSU | 17:18 |
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| gavinrharper | Hello! I have a question about backgrounding a Harmattan application | 19:14 |
| gavinrharper | Is there anything special required if I just want to keep the application running in the background? | 19:14 |
| gavinrharper | That is, if a user returns to the main screen, is my application still running? | 19:15 |
| gavinrharper | I can only work in the QtSDK simulator at present and have no ay of verifying | 19:15 |
| phako | yes. | 19:18 |
| phako | er | 19:18 |
| phako | no. | 19:18 |
| phako | it keeps running | 19:18 |
| gavinrharper | Okay, brilliant! So it just runs as normal... onlu not in focus? | 19:19 |
| phako | yep | 19:19 |
| gavinrharper | That is entirely awesome! | 19:19 |
| phako | although nokia docs advise you to be a bit more polite to the device then ;) | 19:19 |
| gavinrharper | Do you know of the preferred method to check if it is in focus? | 19:19 |
| phako | gavinrharper: no. | 19:20 |
| phako | gavinrharper: I did a hack to check that but I think there's an easier way to do this | 19:20 |
| gavinrharper | That will be investigated! but otherwise, this is seriously good news! Thank you very, very much! | 19:20 |
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| jonni | ah gaving went away already, right way to check is platformWindow.windowState | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is why that guy needs to stay longer than 2 seconds after he thinks he has the answer :p | 19:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80766 < anyone know what component is responsible for encoding audio for bluetooth transmission? | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it's in the chip, op is probably out of luck, but if it's software and open source, it might be possible to add it | 19:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | looks like apt-x is definitely a no go | 19:58 |
| jonni | quite unlikely as apt-x is proriatory codec | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fscking proprietary codecs, they're a plague on the world | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even worse than patent encumbered codecs | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (which is basically all of them) | 19:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6605 finally it's an RFC | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | too bad that pretty much nothing supports it yet and even fewer care about that than dnssec in general | 20:01 |
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