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| itsnotabigtruck | dammit :| windows failed to sleep again | 00:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i need to figure out what's at the root of this | 00:12 |
| trip0 | windows | 00:12 |
| trip0 | i win | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | >_> | 00:12 |
| * trip0 bows | 00:12 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | linux isn't exactly known for perfect suspend/softsuspend functionality | 00:12 |
| trip0 | who suspends? | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on windows, it works, until it doesn't, on linux, it just plain doesn't work :p | 00:13 |
| trip0 | suspend worked great on my laptop on ubuntu 11.10 | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's really really useful if you move around a lot with a laptop | 00:13 |
| trip0 | hasn't worked since i upgraded tho | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | suspend, toss in a bag, go | 00:13 |
| trip0 | yeh | 00:13 |
| trip0 | i honestly don't miss it much... this thing boots so fast it's almost the same | 00:14 |
| trip0 | but working suspend would be nice | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not about the boot times, it's about having your apps stay open | 00:14 |
| trip0 | yeh, kde opens up all my apps | 00:14 |
| trip0 | but they aren't in the same state as they were when i closed-the-lid | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it won't reflect exactly how it was before you powered off | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact i don't understand why you'd want to launch all your apps automatically on bootup | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it makes sense for stuff like im clients that are supposed to be always on | 00:15 |
| trip0 | i bet it'll get fixed by the time this is a stable release (ubuntu sid) | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not for stuff like browsers, file browsers, terminals, editors, etc. | 00:15 |
| trip0 | it's pretty useful | 00:15 |
| trip0 | i always have the same stuff open all the time | 00:16 |
| trip0 | it's annoying when it opens up crap i use only once-in-a-blue-moon tho | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the big disadvantage of suspend is that it's insecure | 00:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | compared to poweroff | 00:17 |
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| Jare | is there any audio recording software with manual gain control? | 00:23 |
| Jare | for the n9 | 00:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jare: want to test my opptimizer package / bootstrap program | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to have inception and a stock kernel | 00:24 |
| Jare | what does it do | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (same to anyone else btw trip0 etc. ^) | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just takes care of the aegis stuff to get the opptimizer modules loaded | 00:25 |
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| Jare | mmkay, sorry I don't have time for that atm, but thanks anyways | 00:26 |
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| FiSHBoY | dmesg | 00:27 |
| FiSHBoY | er | 00:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-mirror-s-edge-2-in-development-for-durango-kinect-2 mirror's edge 2 better not end up being an xbox 720 exclusive | 00:28 |
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| Elleo | I'm running up against a strange problem where by LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't seem to be used when logged in as the developer user | 17:20 |
| Elleo | works fine as root or as "user" | 17:20 |
| Elleo | but if I export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=something as developer it doesn't appear in env's output, although I can 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH' and see its setting | 17:21 |
| Elleo | and it doesn't get used when running applications | 17:21 |
| Elleo | has anyone else come across something like that? | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's sth like that in sudo manpage, also in ssh and whatnot else | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I guess aegis also wants to mess with the whole thing | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all LD_* allows you to tweak/root basically everything | 19:37 |
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| Elleo | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand why it'd be restricted for developer and not root or user though :/ | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, ask paegis, I guess | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | even root != root | 19:43 |
| Elleo | it's not a big deal now that I know what's happening, I can just do my testing as user; was just curious what was going on | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and devel-su != develsh != ssh -l root | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | say "thanks you platsec" for all that puzzling config | 19:46 |
| Elleo | heh | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui even ssh from "outside" is different to ssh loopback on device | 19:47 |
| Elleo | actually perhaps it is something odd develsh is doing, since that's developer's default shell, whereas root and user seem to be both set to /bin/sh | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | accli -L; iirc | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or -l | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then try to figure what's going on | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably some aegis wizard can come up with sth even more enlightening, on what's your "policy" in effect | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and why exactly that policy got picked for this login | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for me it's a maze that makes me wanna cry | 19:55 |
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| sneakyc4 | hello | 20:02 |
| sneakyc4 | I'm getting trouble with having ssh daemon starting since pr1.2 | 20:03 |
| sneakyc4 | actually it 's never started since | 20:03 |
| sneakyc4 | how can I start it manually? | 20:03 |
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| sneakyc4 | ha, need to remove/re-install dev package so as to get sshd back | 20:29 |
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| trx | I have a QGraphicsProxyWidget with TouchEvents enabled on my QML Page. The problem is that when a menu is opened(over that proxy widget) and some menu item is touched, the touch event is sent to the proxy and not the menu.. is this a bug or am i doing something wrong? any ideas? | 22:15 |
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| gabriel9 | hai | 22:37 |
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| RzR | hi gabriel9 | 22:41 |
| gabriel9 | what's up? | 22:42 |
| gabriel9 | any interesting stuff going on in world of N9? | 22:42 |
| RzR | i am was looking at http://developer.servalproject.org/ | 22:43 |
| RzR | gabriel9, about n9 ? well there are the qt5 demos ... and upcoming pr1.3 firmware | 22:44 |
| gabriel9 | qt5 demos? | 22:45 |
| gabriel9 | nice | 22:45 |
| gabriel9 | i look at TabGroup, and i create some tabs. But i also have MainPage which is also initialPage. I can switch through tabs but i also see mainPage in background :/ | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so is qt5 supposed to be installed in parallel with qt4 | 22:49 |
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| lildeimos | another news is that S. Elop is kicking off his a** | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or does it completely replace qt4 | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lildeimos: hm? | 22:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: ^^ | 22:50 |
| lildeimos | http://reut.rs/JgMq5I | 22:50 |
| gabriel9 | i also hear something like that | 22:51 |
| lildeimos | seems that Elop is firing himself from nokia | 22:51 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:51 |
| gabriel9 | i can't belive that | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, nokia's entire sales strategy hasn't been anything great | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that probably isn't helping much | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is somewhat irrelevant. | 22:52 |
| RST38h | well, gentlemen, if lumias donot sell, isn't it the sales department problem? OFF WITH HIS HEAD! | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | The important part is - what are the agreements requiring them to do WRT windows. | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the article is that they booted out their vp of sales, right? | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And also - what does the board think about n9/... | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something along those lines | 22:53 |
| gabriel9 | everyone thinks that N9 is great | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - that's not Elop | 22:53 |
| RST38h | that is why it has to bekilled | 22:53 |
| RST38h | can't have great burning platform | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. north america is a bloody huge market for any sort of electronics...yet nokia's sales strategy for the us and canada is "let's pretend the us and canada don't exist" | 22:54 |
| RST38h | need to have bad sinkingone | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that isn't ok | 22:54 |
| RST38h | itsnot: you are a bit out of date | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact that seems to be a problem with most european companies...they make no attempt to market in north america then wonder why things don't sell | 22:54 |
| RST38h | itsnot: and not very knowledgable about the old situation either | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the lumia launch is the one and only exception | 22:55 |
| gabriel9 | people just don't want windows on their phones :/ | 22:55 |
| * RST38h yawns and guesses that itntbgtrck is probably too young to remember N95 | 22:55 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: what? there was essentially no marketing for the N95 at all in the us | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nor did they get any of the carriers to ship it | 22:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | they took out a couple ads in big cities, maybe | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that was it | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the *only* people in the US with symbian phones, with minor exceptions, have been techies who found out about them online | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unlike the N9, they did officially ship and support the N95, E71, and a few others in the US | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though nokia support in the US is kind of a joke | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but they didn't *market* those phones | 22:57 |
| gabriel9 | also in canada there is no news about N9 | 22:58 |
| gabriel9 | my friend from Canada did not hear about it | 22:59 |
| gabriel9 | but here in my country there is adds about N9 :) | 22:59 |
| gabriel9 | also in Serbia :) | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my general point is that nokia never made any attempt to expand into NA | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | now they're doing this half-hearted lumia launch | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but they expanded into a major brand, set up service outlets everywhere, etc. in other places and they haven't hear | 23:02 |
| gabriel9 | well Nokia is number one brand on Balkan | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *here | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and at the same time there's all the other problems | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where they've declined severely in europe and coasted on developing world brand loyalty | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is now starting to putter out | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it's not like elop created that situation | 23:03 |
| gabriel9 | what would you do? | 23:04 |
| gabriel9 | if you were CEO :) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen a lady with hooker800 yesterday in subway, FWIW | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | took a while to get the disappointing detail it wasn't an N9 | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know...that's why i'm not getting paid the big bucks :p | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, as bad a job elop might be doing they were already past the point of no return anyway | 23:05 |
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| gabriel9 | well you should show her real phone :) | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 23:05 |
| ajalkane | I saw an oldish lady in bus with one of those too. Same kind of disappointing feeling, then malicious knowledge she must be really unhappy and ultimately become unhealthy using that phone. | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | she didn't look like a geek | 23:06 |
| gabriel9 | NOKIA have reputation, and they have their own device N9 with their OS | 23:06 |
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| gabriel9 | that is good start :) | 23:06 |
| gabriel9 | does not matter, girls like geeks :) | 23:06 |
| ajalkane | yeah girls are all hot about geeks! | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol ajalkane | 23:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: which they aborted from the start... | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing though, the major difference between nokia and the other vendors is that they were vertically integrated | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | their own manufacturing, their own design, their own OS | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and with the OS thing that meant that if you wanted a nokia they were the only game in town | 23:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with the lumia...all they've got is a nice looking phone that's otherwise identical to all the other WP phones | 23:09 |
| CreamyG420 | lol which girls | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least with android there's room to compete with high end hardware | 23:09 |
| gabriel9 | yea, and they told everyone that Lumia is something new :D | 23:10 |
| gabriel9 | new my ass | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no such thing as a high end winphone, the hardware is standardized to stuff that's years out of date | 23:10 |
| gabriel9 | i rally don't like blogs, you can't hear anything like that on them | 23:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, i think MS might have been on to something with the standardized hardware, no oem customizations, etc., but they obviously didn't really execute it properly | 23:11 |
| gabriel9 | just look at this: http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/20/slashgear-elop-a-genius/ | 23:11 |
| CreamyG420 | wtf, this i gotta read | 23:11 |
| ajalkane | Elop is a genius. Or the board of directors stupid beyond belief. | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the article's right that nokia has huge problems, but elop is "fixing" all the wrong parts | 23:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but who knows... | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides arguing about nokia management on irc is pretty useless :p | 23:13 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 23:13 |
| gabriel9 | agree | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you work there, just write them off as a lost cause, but make the most out of the phone you've got | 23:14 |
| ajalkane | unless one of us becomes the next CEO? | 23:14 |
| gabriel9 | itsnotabigtruck for now :) | 23:14 |
| gabriel9 | you have my vote | 23:14 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:14 |
| gabriel9 | so real problem for now is how can switch through tabs and that my MainPAge hides himself :) | 23:15 |
| gabriel9 | there must be some thingy with pageStack | 23:17 |
| gabriel9 | i wish that i can do this in PHP and JS :P | 23:17 |
| CreamyG420 | yeah dude the tabs are way harder to do than they should be | 23:19 |
| CreamyG420 | take a look at this example: https://gitorious.org/proximus-qml/complete/trees/master/Proximus/qml/Proximus | 23:20 |
| gabriel9 | thanks | 23:22 |
| gabriel9 | i will check that | 23:22 |
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| gabriel9 | in MainPage there are TabGroup and ToolBarLayout | 23:24 |
| gabriel9 | why in the 7 suns in all examples all that stuff in main.qml | 23:24 |
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| gabriel9 | :/ | 23:24 |
| gabriel9 | ok, i'm no expert in Eng and Qt/QML, but someone should write a book | 23:25 |
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| gabriel9 | i would buy it for sure | 23:25 |
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| CreamyG420 | it would be a pretty small book | 23:27 |
| CreamyG420 | "here's half a UI" | 23:27 |
| gabriel9 | well it would be a start | 23:27 |
| gabriel9 | this way new developers are lost | 23:28 |
| gabriel9 | in the start | 23:28 |
| ajalkane | QML is quite trial and error in the beginning, that's for sure | 23:28 |
| CreamyG420 | well it's missing lots of stuff is my point | 23:29 |
| ajalkane | CreamyG420: yeah like much of the stuff outlined in the N9 UI guidelines :P | 23:29 |
| gabriel9 | beginning is really hard | 23:29 |
| gabriel9 | but, it is better then XML's | 23:30 |
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| CreamyG420 | well some of the harmattan stuff is messed up. like the map thing, i don't think it even supports offline. | 23:30 |
| gabriel9 | u use my mapps offline | 23:30 |
| CreamyG420 | they set vital properties to private | 23:30 |
| gabriel9 | i* | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | That sucks. It doesn't use the same map data as Nokia maps? | 23:30 |
| gabriel9 | and my future app based on maps is doomed | 23:31 |
| ajalkane | Yeah, but luckily the QML components are open source so you can just copy them to your project and adjust as necessary | 23:31 |
| CreamyG420 | you're supposed to go like this: connectivityMode: Map.OfflineMode but it doesn't work | 23:31 |
| gabriel9 | you must download maps | 23:32 |
| gabriel9 | as i can see it | 23:32 |
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