| mankeli | it's so delightful that qt sdk updater fails _every single time_ i use it | 00:00 |
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| mankeli | always there is some post-install-script that fails, or some qmake output is "unparseable" or the thing just gets stuck when it tries to install example sources | 00:01 |
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| diorahman | mankeli: I thought it was just my connection | 01:11 |
| diorahman | mankeli: so, it is the qt-sdk-updater problem | 01:11 |
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| DrGrov | Hi | 03:48 |
| DrGrov | I got an issue with my N9 running PR 1.2. The default Camera app is not starting. It only started one time druing my 6-7 attempts. I tested to reboot the phone and run it again but did not work. | 03:49 |
| DrGrov | Any clues what might be the issue and what I might need to do about it? | 03:49 |
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| virtuald | i'd run strace and gdb on it and pretend i knew what i was doing | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: ^ see above | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even running it from the command line might be a hint as to what's going on | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | check the syslog too | 04:29 |
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| DrGrov | I am reading about this, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82701&highlight=camera post #7 and/or this, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81968&highlight=camera post #5. Seems that it might be an issue. The Drive and/or Map app was not working properly when I had GPS disabled. | 04:30 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: That is for you | 04:30 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Well, I shall be fucked. | 04:40 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Now when I enabled GPS positioning the camera works :) LOL | 04:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: weird... | 04:44 |
| DrGrov | But I figured it out | 04:44 |
| DrGrov | It was only to disable GPS positioning in the camera app and then disable GPS positioning from Settings -> Device and it worked without having GPS enabled :) | 04:45 |
| DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: This is great news. Now I can finally start to use the camera for my projects. | 04:57 |
| DrGrov | I am trying to create specific type of photos but just had the camera issue preventing me from doing it. | 04:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on? | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone with a phone running PR1.0 or PR1.1? | 06:39 |
| Enforcer | 90% of australia is on PR1.2 now | 06:41 |
| Enforcer | but i think i know someone with PR1.0 still | 06:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone else on? | 08:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I might be. | 08:03 |
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| mankeli | oh, qt sdk maintain tool freezes also when uninstalling the sdk :-D | 08:27 |
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| mankeli | creates a very good image of the whole qt when even deleting files (uninstalling the sdk) or plain extraction (placing example sources to a directory) causes whole thing to just freeze | 08:28 |
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| wirwe | hey guys, i have a problem with my mobile internet. while checking mails works all the time, browser and fmobi often have problems with connecting. rebooting helps. i didn't find out when this problem occures, it seems to be without any rule.. maybe is sometimes does not close correctly?? any ides?# | 14:00 |
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| lizardo | ~seen jonni | 15:48 |
| lizardo | hm, where's infobot ? | 15:50 |
| rainisto | <- jonni | 15:53 |
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| jonni | ;) | 15:53 |
| lizardo | jonni: for a moment I thought there were two different person :) | 15:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83680 | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | spread the word | 16:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: should have known you'd post something like that >_> | 16:53 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: ;-) | 16:54 |
| jonni | I guess your waiting for PR1.3 before releasing an update to your tool... :) | 16:54 |
| jonni | (unless there are easy fixes around that) | 16:55 |
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| jonni | there still are multiple ways to get tcb in pr1.2, so devmode changes really shouldn't affect that much, it only blocks 0.1 pasiv | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if nokia would bother to ship an official tool that allows adding a policy for origin "local", where local is a signing tool on user's PC that creates a unique signing key for each user, all this madness never whould've needed to happen | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then, this would defeat sole purpose of aegis, which is to protect device (and third party software) from *user* | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's up to anybodies guess if Nokia will do that, or why they didn't and never will do | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis being about user's privacy and security is a *lie* | 17:48 |
| jonni | yes, I never understood why there wasnt signing tools for imei ranges, even the package format supports imei ranges. Might have been that there was plans in the future, but after feb11 those plans burned away. | 17:53 |
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| jonni | ofcourse if someone has community master key, they could do a signing service per imei for cssu (if that ever comes). | 17:57 |
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| rzr | hi | 20:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hey rzr | 20:02 |
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| rzr | thx for notifying about the upgrade + inception | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I told you it will happen like that when you came up with your inception idea. IT's been absolutely clear and expected, so notifying about the particular moment the game advanced one step is all I can detect | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: to use one of your favorite phrases, MEH | 20:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i made the mistake of assuming that everything was going to arrive en bloc, that's all | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which in retrospect was somewhat stupid because they did the same thing last time | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia wil ship an "update" for every inception version you publish | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so, then maybe that'll keep some harmattan devs employed for a bit longer :p | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas only platsec devels | 20:16 |
| rzr | <itsnotabigtruck> if so, then maybe that'll keep some harmattan devs employed for a bit longer :p | 20:16 |
| rzr | +1 | 20:16 |
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| rzr | now we found a solution to keep the project alive :-) | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia already investing manpower into platsec/paegis which better oughta be used for progress in other more useful sectors of HARM | 20:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: they should be investing in update and support, but not that | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for all I can see even in this channel a lot of smart FOSS devels are investing lots of time in fighting paegis instead of improving the core functionality of their apps | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that they had any choice | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | paegis offers no choice | 20:20 |
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| jonni | you just have to figure out how to get pgp key as trusted and make nice tool for signing the packages (and own custom repo as com.nokia.maemo trusted) and hopefully using some feature that cannot be patched :) | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I'd think the only thing that can't get patched is ROM-BootLoader | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cracking original Nokia rootcert PKI | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | which *could* get 'patched' but only by replacing *all* binaries/packages | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: evidently you have no idea how the signing scheme works | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'd be a lot more credible if you knew what you were whinging about | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd be not considered an asshole by so many credible users of this chan if you were a bit less arrogant and offensive | 20:32 |
| bindi | children :( no fighting | 20:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you want to talk about offensive? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | educate me, oh master! | 20:33 |
| bindi | pls :< | 20:34 |
| Jare | Imho a lot people don't want to invest any time learning how aegis works and are whining because of that | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict whining | 20:36 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'whining' (1 of 2): Jeremianic, acute, argute, bawling, beef, beefing, bellyache, bellyaching, bitch, bitching, blatant, complaining, complaint, creaky, crying, destructive criticism, dissent, ear-piercing, faultfinding, fretful, grievance, gripe, griping, groan, groaning, grouse, grousing, grumbling, holler, howl, howling, keen, keening, kick, kicking, lamentive, lowing, moanful, moaning, mournful, mugient, murmuring, peeve, peevish, ... | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we maybe at least know what we're talking about | 20:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i see you talking a lot, but most is negative against others work. i maybe wrong, but dudn't see too much work you done. maybe i missed | 21:15 |
| pa | is pyside still supported/developed as far as you know? | 21:16 |
| pa | mailing list last message is feb 2012 | 21:16 |
| lizardo | pa: original developers are still working on it , but mostly on free time :/ Nokia funding ceased as mentioned on the mailing list | 21:19 |
| pa | ah i see.. | 21:20 |
| pa | sad | 21:20 |
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| lizardo | pa: but you should know that it is now a Qt add-on, so it least it will not disappear, just not sure how quick will be to keep up to date with latest Qt | 21:21 |
| pa | ah i see.. but if so, shouldnt it be officially developed? | 21:21 |
| lizardo | pa: it is more a community effort now, i.e. no current funding from Nokia (AFAIK) | 21:22 |
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| pa | anyway, i was mostly concerned about the assistant, that packages in a way that is incompatible with the store | 21:23 |
| pa | (e.g., putting stuff in /usr/bin/) | 21:23 |
| pa | but now that i think about it, maybe that's python too | 21:23 |
| pa | so i could have a look at it | 21:23 |
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| Jare | itsnotabigtruck: so installing the developer mode updates doesn't affect Inception, if it is installed before those updates? | 21:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Jare: precisely | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically it makes it so you can't chroot from user programs | 21:43 |
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| Jare | ok, maybe I'll just run the updates then.. | 21:45 |
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| pa | i have a little problem with flashing the phone | 22:02 |
| pa | apparently flasher -i doesnt recognize it | 22:02 |
| pa | and when i plug it powered off, windows cant install drivers | 22:03 |
| pa | ah now it goes | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Jare: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82835 | 22:08 |
| Jare | itsnotabigtruck: well that was quick :) | 22:10 |
| jkt | so I've just updated http://jkt.flaska.net/n950/trojita-tp_0.3.0_armel.deb yet again | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jkt: got some screenshots? | 22:13 |
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| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: I'll make some | 22:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw jkt: make sure to get inception 0.1.1 | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and pa | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: nokia dumped pyside? that's not a good sign for qt in general | 22:30 |
| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1192921#post1192921 | 22:31 |
| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: is that some rooting tool? why should I need it over the built-in developer mode? | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jkt: looks pretty nice for alpha software :) | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that 2nd area definitely needs to be harmattanized a bit but i'm sure that'll come with time | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's a rooting tool | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | developer mode gives you a small subset of the permissions available | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | inception gives you any and all permissions | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of things you can't do with dev mode | 22:33 |
| jkt | yeah, well | 22:33 |
| jkt | enough for me :) | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's quite few things you can't do with inception | 22:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jkt: oh gentoo pal =) | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | jkt: put the updated info and last screenshots in first post as well | 22:41 |
| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: would you suggest particular tweaks for the appearance of the mailbox listing? | 22:43 |
| jkt | ZogG_laptop: looks like I cannot do that, that post belongs to someone else | 22:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | jkt: if you are the one who gonna develop/maintain it - make the new one i think | 22:46 |
| lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: it migrated to a Qt Add-on , because the original project was ceased (given it was mostly oriented to Harmattan...), so it is no community driven | 22:47 |
| lizardo | s/no/now/ | 22:47 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: itsnowtabigtruck: it migrated to a Qt Add-on , because the original project was ceased (given it was mostly oriented to Harmattan...), so it is no community driven | 22:47 |
| lizardo | bogus bot :) | 22:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll bbiab | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, do you have a maemo.org account? (mwkn.net) | 23:01 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/16/moodys_downgrade_nokia_junk/ | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: I see you stating a lot of nonsense, but most of it is obscure how you came to this notion. I may be wrong, but I don't see too much reasonable posts or other contributions you did. Maybe I missed the point you're actually just trolling | 23:10 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: there are not much i've done, but my point was that you little bit negative time to time | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I don't satisfy your expectations of positive entertainment | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's for sure mutual | 23:12 |
| RST38h | So, anyone willing to bet on Elop's head-on-a-stick by Christmas time? | 23:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer fixes the glitch that sneaked into his /ignore list | 23:13 | |
| RST38h | Or will they keep him until February, to give the whole affair a sense of circularity? | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: let's bet that next move even after Elop would be stupid as well. like swithching to android or something =) | 23:17 |
| RST38h | I can easily guess what the next move is | 23:17 |
| RST38h | it won't be rather inconsequentlial though | 23:18 |
| RST38h | Elop is preparing a Win8 tablet. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | And WP7 is all but abandoned by MS, as they are promising full-scale Win8 on ARM devices by Christmas. As far as teams inside MS are concerned, WP7 is most likely ancient history. | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Of course there is a small matter of Nokia relying on WP7 to survive, but this doesnot concern MS employees: Nokia is not paying their bonuses | 23:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: but what do you think would be phones strategy? as i assume win8 is more for tablets | 23:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MeaTizen - it's Tizen + meego + maemo =) | 23:21 |
| RST38h | there is no phone strategy | 23:22 |
| RST38h | there is low cost S40 quickly reaching S60 functionality | 23:22 |
| RST38h | There is Symbian (whatever it is called now) which continues selling Nokia smartphones | 23:22 |
| RST38h | And then there is braindead Lumias that Nokia is failing to sell to customers | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | So they are trying two approaches to making their ends meet: 1) subscribe businesses, giving them lumias in bulk | 23:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hoped for harmattan getting back, but i know would never happen or would happen as harmattan step 5 and no support for n9, every one buys new N10 and than Nokia ditching it in 2 months after release | 23:23 |
| RST38h | and 2) push lumias with new cell contracts, almost for free | 23:23 |
| tehdely | from what i've heard, you'll be able to upgrade newer WP7.5 handsets to WP8 | 23:24 |
| tehdely | but don't quote me on it | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Again, this saves certain managers inside Nokia, letting them say that they "moved so-many Lumias last moth" | 23:24 |
| RST38h | but it does not bring company any money | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: read twit, so guy in Russia heard sellers advising not to buy Lumia coz of high returns =) | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: i don't like Lumia, but would take even 10 if it's for free =) | 23:25 |
| RST38h | ZogG: I have one | 23:26 |
| RST38h | ZogG: You wouldn't. | 23:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: than send me yours | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: hm? | 23:29 |
| * Arkenoi got ridiculous comment from android user today: "wow, what is the OS on your phone? it is has *so* fast UI!" | 23:29 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | i signed up for one a while back | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure if i have any kermaz yet from the forum | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh cool, it transferred, now i have 169 karma | 23:29 |
| Arkenoi | it is always nice to know there are people who feel even worse than we do | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol Arkenoi | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely RST38h: new inception ver out (0.1.1) | 23:30 |
| RST38h | yohoho thanks | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a quick fix for the devmode update that arrived this morning | 23:30 |
| RST38h | so should I install devmode update first or the new inception? | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: either works | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the devmode update prevents enabling inception | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you already did that inception will keep working | 23:32 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (enabling = running pasiv) | 23:32 |
| Arkenoi | ah ok | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the way the update does that is by taking away your ability to chroot | 23:33 |
| Arkenoi | so it is good i already have inception done | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so keep that in mind | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course with inception available that's not so much of a problem | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's a shame nokia's created collateral damage with this | 23:33 |
| Arkenoi | so this update had the sole purpose to prevent inception, and failed anyways? sh*t. i wish nokia invested that resources in doing something *useful* for us, say, fixing tracker process | 23:34 |
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| Arkenoi | having half-unsupported platform and wasting resources struggling its own users, that's what i call moronic behavior | 23:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the update is part of PR1.3, in the past they've released updates to the ancillary stuff shortly before the actual OS | 23:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PR1.3 includes a number of fixes, not just inception stuff | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it definitely has some anti-inception tweaks | 23:37 |
| mankeli | i wonder if anything else is affected by this recent change | 23:38 |
| Arkenoi | i wonder if we ever get tracker-store fixed | 23:39 |
| Arkenoi | the bug is still open | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is the buggy tracker code open source? | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tracker itself is | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might be able to fix it and put it into a CSSU-type thing | 23:39 |
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| jonni | Arkenoi: what tracker store bug? | 23:47 |
| Arkenoi | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 | 23:48 |
| Arkenoi | this one | 23:48 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge | 23:48 |
| Arkenoi | until it is fixed there is no chance for me to have a sane address book | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it only me or there is that annoying email downloads/sync bug and stuck internet connection bug in PR1.2 . coz sometimes i get timeouts - i close all apps but i can see connection is used for a while | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, are you registered on maemo.org? We use maemo.org usernames on mwkn.net to generate links to their userpages. | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: btw any plans on redesinging site? | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh, btw do you have option to submit news over web? | 23:53 |
| Arkenoi | i think it could be wise to withhold inception update for a while, warn users not to install developer mode update, wait for pr1.3 to be sure there are no other surprises and then issue inception update.. otherwise there is a chance we would need another hack after 1.3 :-) | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: yeah, it's, unsurprisingly, itsnotabigtruck | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: i already released 0.1.1 | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, 0.1.1 specifically uses an exploit that's definitely already fixed | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the entire point, it's a stopgap between now and the real update to inception (which is coming out later) | 23:54 |
| jonni | Arkenoi: internal bugzilla says fixed on contacts merge, so might be that nobody just bothers to update public statuses. | 23:54 |
| Arkenoi | jonni, it was said to be fixed in 1.2, but actually it was not so i reopened it :-( | 23:55 |
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| jonni | then you can only hope that 1.3 merges contacts right | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | Arkenoi: you can pray =) | 23:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | and maybe your prays would be heard | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's the relevant package? | 23:56 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if there will be ota to 1.3 and if it will leave opensh intact :-) | 23:57 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: for the former, of course | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the latter, guess we'll have to find out | 23:58 |
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| * Arkenoi feels sooo symbian with that stupid aegis | 23:59 | |
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