| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: You probably noticed I am a newbie, but will inception allow me to create a file in /etc/init.d? One of the packages from files.kolab.org needs that (or repackaging) | 00:01 |
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| javispedro | btw | 00:24 |
| javispedro | a big scary warning for the #n950club | 00:24 |
| javispedro | you should NOT buy things from the ovi store using the n950 | 00:25 |
| javispedro | support will outright refuse to serve you, so if there's _ANY_ single problem with say your CC (double charges come to mind) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | they will refer you to FN/Launchpad, and forwarding to FN/Launchpad is as useful as forwarding to /dev/null | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | "sorry Sir, yes we got that 990$ from your bank account, but since you used a N950, we don't feel like rolling back that transaction" | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds oddly sane | 00:28 |
| javispedro | I got told this because of my inquiries about the download limit | 00:29 |
| javispedro | which btw is 10 | 00:29 |
| javispedro | nokiasupport can send you a sms (For free) where the original phone with the same IMEI that the one that made the payment can redownload the apps | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | with that inquiries you're already on their blacklist anyway | 00:30 |
| javispedro | but the support lady clearly told me that they will NOT send that to N950s, and that "I should contact FN where that to happen to me" | 00:30 |
| javispedro | *were | 00:30 |
| sahib_ | javispedro: get back to me with the e-mail that you made the purchase from and I'll resend the download link for you tomorrow, should you so wish. | 00:31 |
| bef0rd | what if you say you have an n9 | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, probably they got no clue if it's an N9 or N950 at all | 00:31 |
| javispedro | sahib_: actually I got the SMS link and it didn't work either ("content is no longer available" | 00:32 |
| javispedro | (I hit it within the two hours timeframe) | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 00:32 |
| sahib_ | javispedro: alright... which application does it concern? | 00:32 |
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| sahib_ | Ovi store is a complete clusterfuck :-c | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: OVI store FUBAR | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: you don't want to put anything in /ETC/INIT.D | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | n9 uses /ETC/INIT | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you really expect me to develop anything for such an infra? | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (which is for upstart, as opposed to sysvinit) | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: that's pretty insane | 00:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, no one said you had to upload anything to ovi store...i haven't | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's a real shame is all the vast majority of people know is the ovi store | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | AFM could have been a real alternative but AFM itself is crippled by bugs, no one except pros knows about it, and even most pros refuse to upload things into it | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so yeah | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: did they know you had a 950 or did you tell them | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. would pretending to be using an N9 have helped at all | 00:35 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: they can check that (it appears on my ovi account page for example) | 00:35 |
| javispedro | actually "Nokia Dali" appears | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: of course you could always chargeback the $990 charge | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: they've got some seriously idiotic flowchart-driven support going on | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you were using an N9 in the US you'd, from what i hear, get a very similar response | 00:36 |
| javispedro | well | 00:36 |
| javispedro | I have to say that the support lady was very friendly and he knew what the N950 and the N9 were and the relationship between them | 00:37 |
| javispedro | *she :P | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doesn't help if she refuses to take action | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it's something that they can do, and it's something that a reasonable person would expect them to do, they should do it | 00:37 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: No, I do not care if there is anything in /etc/init.d or not: I want kontact touch and it needs virtuoso-opensource-6.1 which wants to drop a file in /etc/init.d and refuses to install otherwise | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: yeah, that package is borked i think... | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | someone here probably knows more about the state of the art with kontakt touch | 00:38 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: True. But that information does not help me install it =) | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: well, you should wait and get some details before destroying your phone with it | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think those packages have MALFed phones before | 00:39 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: I thought that was a bug in 1.1 (combined with those packages) | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: possibly...though if the package causes a MALF screen that's pretty much by definition a misbehaving package | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i sort of remember talk about that before but never got any actual hard info | 00:40 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: I spoke to aheinecke the other day and he seemed to be convinced 1.2 fixes that issue. | 00:42 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: And I already went through your guide once after hitting that particular problem with libXcursor... | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: in any case, if the package is installing stuff to /etc/init.d, it's not harmattanized, and that means it shouldn't be installed | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm having deja vu here... | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think at least one other person had the exact same problem before and that means that nothing's been done to fix it | 00:43 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Sure, nothing's been done to those packages for months | 00:43 |
| piggz | ok, so i installed qtcreator in ~, renamed QtCreator in ~/QtSDK, and added a symlink to the new 2.5beta, and it seems to work .. hopfully no more full /tmp problems for me! | 00:43 |
| javispedro | oh, true, new qt sdk release | 00:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw in case anyone hasn't seen it => http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83570 | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (mosh - mobile shell - port for N9) | 00:44 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: i had, and it looks cool | 00:44 |
| piggz | btw, in case anyone hasnt seen it, http://store.ovi.com/content/265837 | 00:45 |
| piggz | (my awesome new game ;) | 00:45 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: So it is your best advice not to try to install those packages? | 00:45 |
| piggz | javispedro: its a standalone release of qtcreator beta, not a full sdk | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw was there anything to substantiate that 'pr1.3 beta' stuff floating around earlier today | 00:46 |
| piggz | not that ive seen | 00:47 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: (I already installed libgpg-error1 libgcrypt12...) | 00:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also re the game...ehhh, i'm already reluctant to pay for apps and i'm very reluctant to pay for apps on ovi store | 00:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | given their reputation for world-class customer service...x_x | 00:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz ^ | 00:51 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, i can see your point, im like that too....but.....it does give me some extra pennies :) | 00:52 |
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| piggz | success, new qtcreator deploys successfuly | 01:04 |
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| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: remember though, i will give world-class service, with free updates and features requests implemented ;) | 01:25 |
| piggz | dissapointed i got a -ve review solely for adding an ad-banner to one of my apps, if ppl want stuff for free, is it really so bad to have an ad-banner? there is even one built in to N9 on the weather app | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: -ve review? | 01:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and imo ads are a lot worse than having to pay for an app, because that means the app is working against the user | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't really trust it anymore | 01:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ad libraries have all sorts of nasty stuff embedded in them | 01:34 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: -ve = negative | 01:34 |
| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, they do track your location from what i have seen | 01:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: which app was that? | 01:36 |
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| piggz | itsnotabigtruck: pgz urban dictionary ..... its good simple fun ;) | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's...definitely not the kind of thing that should have ads embedded | 01:38 |
| piggz | it doesnt base ads on the content displayed | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be begrudgingly acceptable were it a really substantial app | 01:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but this is just another web client thing | 01:38 |
| piggz | yeah, maybe...i was mainly trying it to see if i could.. | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, it looks like it didn't originally contain ads? so that means that it's an anti-feature added in after the fact | 01:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. something in an app that isn't in the interest of the user | 01:39 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: I found out why I couldn't find the telenor video, -- it is actually deleted, and doesn't run anymore on my phone. I just hadn't noticed after upgrading to PR1.2. | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway...the ad situation doesn't seem to be that bad on N9 | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's really really bad on android and iphone | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | people are right to be wary of ads | 01:40 |
| Velmont | Yes. I hated that. | 01:40 |
| piggz | yeah, if i added ads to the free version of space-invaders, it would be difficult for it not to be very annoying | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and e.g. meecatalog added an ad banner, and the ad i kept getting was advertising some dodgy outfit trying to scam people wanting a green card | 01:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i promptly got rid of it because not only was it closed source, now it had ads and in a simple utility program that isn't acceptable | 01:41 |
| piggz | heh, the add ive got on u-d is for a nice looking girl called Amber | 01:42 |
| piggz | should i view her friend reguest? :D | 01:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 01:43 |
| piggz | now i have a flirt-request | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the other thing, w/r/t open source, for a phone centered around open source software, i'm disappointed at how everything is gravitating toward the ovi store and closed source apps | 01:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i suppose it was inevitable, it's the same situation as every other platform really | 01:43 |
| Velmont | Yep. -- But it's the easy, obvious choice. -- There's no FOSS store preinstalled. | 01:43 |
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| Velmont | And Nokia doesn't make it easyto filter on FOSS stuff. | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not one of those open-source-or-nothing fanatics | 01:44 |
| Velmont | I'd like it to be easier, I alwaysprefer FOSS. | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: who cares about filtering | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be enough for a developer to simultaneously release on ovi and release the source | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or whatever it takes | 01:44 |
| Velmont | Although I'm also not FOSS or nothing. | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | releasing on ovi store isn't mutually exclusive with everything else | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yet in practice almost nothing on ovi store is available anywhere else | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no good reason for that, really | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't believe it I stay at home to chat with javispedro to test usb hostmode, rather than heading out for dinner | 01:45 |
| Velmont | Filtering is required to actually find the things easily. | 01:45 |
| piggz | the other way of looking at it, does making a crappy urban-dictionary client app, really add value to the foss community? | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: well, not necessarily, but it doesn't hurt | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's the trust factor | 01:45 |
| Velmont | I'd rather use an app I know I can fix, than using something I can't. | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if something's open source you have an easy way to know it doesn't have antifeatures | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the dev disappears off the face of the earth and eventually the app breaks, someone can fork and fix it | 01:46 |
| Velmont | Yep. | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also since only open source stuff is permissible on AfM, having something available as OSS makes it eligible for AfM | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which would help grow AfM into more of a legit competitor to ovi, because right now it's not | 01:46 |
| Velmont | Ofc. I'm not against closed source stuff, I do work for Opera, - but I prefer FOSS stuff because of many things. | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a single digit number of release-quality apps on AfM right now, and it's mostly because no one who submits things to ovi is also submitting to AfM | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if the app is indeed open source | 01:47 |
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| piggz_ | useless wifi :/ | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh | 01:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *heh piggz_: did any of that stuff above go through? | 01:49 |
| piggz_ | itsnotabigtruck: up to .... velmont> i;d rather user... | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | if something's open source you have an easy way to know it doesn't have antifeatures | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | if the dev disappears off the face of the earth and eventually the app breaks, someone can fork and fix it | 01:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | also since only open source stuff is permissible on AfM, having something available as OSS makes it eligible for AfM which would help grow AfM into more of a legit competitor to ovi, because right now it's not | 01:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so it's not really about contributing value to the oss community, as much as making something people can count on, i suppose | 01:51 |
| piggz_ | tbh, there are no license decisions on any of my stuff in ovi-store..the free ones can certainly be gpl, its just the work of maintiaining it somewhere...atm, i have my own git server on a nas upstairs :) | 01:52 |
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| piggz_ | im not particulalrly interested in the ad-revenue, i think i made $0.18 so far ;) ... it was just an experiment | 01:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | github or bitbucket? also if you make something into a debian source package and upload it into OBS it's downloadable from there | 01:53 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: or gitorious :] | 01:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: yeah but everyone hates gitorious :p | 01:54 |
| piggz_ | well, does anyone want a gpl urban-dictionary client and google-latitude client? | 01:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz_: lol | 01:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, you're right that those aren't that important in the scheme of things, i'm mostly arguing on principle here | 01:54 |
| Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Didn't know that, -- I use it, but only as a remote repo. | 01:54 |
| piggz_ | see :) | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it can't hurt either :p | 01:55 |
| Velmont | piggz_: latitude yay | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, if the latitude client is solid, sounds great | 01:55 |
| Velmont | I was a bit sad that my nice latitude statistics doesn't update any more after moving away from Android. | 01:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's already one on appsformeego but i don't think it's that polished | 01:55 |
| piggz_ | itsnotabigtruck: in the big scheme of things, if i get round to a kexi database app for harmattan, it will be open source | 01:55 |
| piggz_ | Velmont: but, would you care if it was gpl or free on ovi store? | 01:56 |
| piggz_ | and, would it be ok to have an about page that said 'this is gpl, email me for the source or download it from...' ? | 01:56 |
| Velmont | piggz_: If there is something FOSS I always try it first, and often stick to it. | 01:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz_: well, i'm pushing the apps for meego angle because it's the only real alternative to ovi store | 01:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and having everyone dependent on ovi store isn't turning out to be a good thing | 01:57 |
| Velmont | Although I've only ever looked at the source for 2 mobile apps. -- But in Ubuntu I do apt-get source a bit more often. | 01:57 |
| piggz_ | itsnotabigtruck: the latitude client is _relatively_ solid ... it went from _very_ to _relative_ in the last update becuase i had to switch to oath2 ... and now sometimes it looses the access token and asks to log in again | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz_: are you using an account plugin? | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i was helping zogg out with his account plugin, it turns out that for oauth2 it's easier than i thought | 01:58 |
| piggz_ | itsnotabigtruck: no, its just an app | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pr1.2+ (or is it pr1.1+?) contains an oauth implementation | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's probably off-limits from ovi store until they bump the baseline to pr1.2 though | 01:58 |
| piggz_ | where are the docs for that? | 01:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (they already bumped it to pr1.1) | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, that's the thing, there's basically none | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just figured out some stuff going by the source this afternoon | 01:59 |
| piggz_ | useful.....oauth2 isnt hard .... just need to figure out why its loosing the token | 01:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but integration into signon/accounts is a big plus for native-ness | 02:00 |
| piggz_ | but im concentrating on pang, cos it makes me $$$ ;) | 02:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also signon provides aegis protection, though we all know how "secure" aegis protection is | 02:00 |
| piggz_ | yes, i can see the appeal of integrating it | 02:00 |
| piggz_ | could do a new version as a plugin, and get rid of the map view | 02:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw just my opinion: ditch the PGZ prefix on everything :p it seems like there's several people who like to prefix their apps like that | 02:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | seems like it's better just to give something a cool sounding name | 02:01 |
| piggz_ | yeah, i was already considering that | 02:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz_: hmmmm...might it be possible to leverage the existing google account on the phone to log into latitude | 02:03 |
| piggz_ | itsnotabigtruck: well, you have to go to the google page to authorize the app to update your location, does the exisiting account store your credentials (it probably does for email) .. with the oauth2 api, the app never needs to know the user credentials | 02:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz_: i think it does, and it doesn't know about oauth i don't think | 02:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is probably a bit of a problem | 02:06 |
| piggz_ | anyway, its been a good chat, but i need to get to sleep or i wont get up! | 02:07 |
| piggz_ | later | 02:07 |
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| Enforcer | hmm, maybe i need a cron to alert me when pulseaudio is using more than 3% cpu | 02:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know when aegis-exec allows changing the user with the -u argument? | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like it just requires setuid and setgid permissions for whatever's being changed | 03:29 |
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| djszapi | Hey. Anybody awake from Finland ? | 04:01 |
| Jare | physically or mentally? | 04:02 |
| djszapi | both | 04:05 |
| Jare | I'm not sure about the physically bit since it's 4am, but how so? | 04:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1191435&postcount=175 /me sighs | 04:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do some of these people have their brain shut off all the time, or just when they're on the internet | 04:09 |
| Jare | haha | 04:09 |
| arekinath | itsnotabigtruck: that's a classic | 04:09 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone on? | 06:52 |
| djszapi | yeah | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh, of course. :p djszapi: did you work out what your HW issue was? | 07:02 |
| Enforcer | nope | 07:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what was it? | 07:02 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yes | 07:05 |
| djszapi | the interface cable bought in the shop was broken. | 07:06 |
| djszapi | I need to get a power supply for my pandaboard, and then begin hacking :) | 07:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeesh, the pandaboard price is nearing $200 and that's apparently subsidized by TI | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, that's cheap for a devboard but expensive for what's actually on it | 07:08 |
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| djszapi | was for free here. :p | 07:28 |
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| jkt | what am I doing wrong if my InfoBanner is shown partially obstructed by the top status bar? | 10:44 |
| jkt | the InfoBanner is a child of PageStackWindow, not of an individual page | 10:44 |
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| jkt | I want to be able to show them from any of my individual Pages | 10:44 |
| jkt | ah | 10:46 |
| jkt | connectionErrorBanner.parent = pageStack.currentPage does the trick | 10:46 |
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| jonni | hmm, I cleaned up my ovi store backup downloader script... lets see, I might post it to forums if someone would find it usefull | 11:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tVQyPEzRLks#t=321s | 13:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: didn't see your pong =) supp | 13:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: have you seen what i said on jabber ? =) | 13:28 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 13:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok, i have file i'm deploying to n9 in project and it's script, but it wouldn't work till i make chmod +x from phone. anyway to fix it? | 13:37 |
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| MasterZap | Trying to create an Exchange account, I get | 13:49 |
| MasterZap | Apr 13 12:33:04 (2012) aegisfs: aegis_storage.cpp(2768): ERROR Cannot open '/home/user/.aegis/ps/.e/YzIuIvda+wohTmbCei-TA0Ns520.dats' (No such file or directory) | 13:49 |
| MasterZap | Any ideas what that means in plain english? ;) | 13:49 |
| flux | you probably don't have directory /home/user/.aegis/ps/.e | 13:49 |
| flux | no idea why, or how to remedy it | 13:49 |
| MasterZap | yes I do, and there are other jibbereshly named files in there | 13:49 |
| flux | oh, well in that case it just expects the file to be there, but it's not :) | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | LOL | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | it affects all "account" editing I noticed | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | trying to add a dropbox account gives the same result | 13:50 |
| flux | so nothing works? | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | so it's not just exchange, something in accounts handling is hosed | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | the stuff that is already there works | 13:50 |
| flux | you -could- try creating an empty file by that name. no guaratees etc. | 13:50 |
| MasterZap | i just can't add the exchange account (or, as it now turns out, any account of any kind) | 13:51 |
| flux | (maybe it doesn't even allow you to do that) | 13:51 |
| MasterZap | Ha, tried that. It complains that it cannot compress a 1 byte file. | 13:51 |
| alterego | Anyone else get an annoying problem where when deleting an email the email app crashes and closes? | 13:51 |
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| dm8tbr | IIRC one workaround to that was to clean the aegis storage out and recreate all accounts etc | 13:52 |
| * alterego shudders | 13:52 | |
| dm8tbr | alterego: that was not for you :) | 13:53 |
| alterego | Oh, well, still shudder worthy :P | 13:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so what about chmod +x for script | 14:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | how do i deploy script that is executable? | 14:03 |
| MasterZap | how would I go about to clear out the Aegis storage? So I don't kill too much stuff? ;) | 14:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | MasterZap: than not rm -rf =) | 14:04 |
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| MasterZap | There are several files in that directory, I'm too chicken to clobber 'em all :) | 14:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe you should search that on TMO? i bet people had this issue | 14:06 |
| MasterZap | not that uncle google could find, no, but perhaps I misgoogled | 14:07 |
| MasterZap | only related mention I could googlify was this link http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-crypto/commit/a23cb95b73b123c978e2615700e27ac842820389 | 14:08 |
| MasterZap | and its just a commit of some modification to the aegis crypto system that seems sort of related but still not really | 14:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 14:12 |
| MasterZap | man, do I have to reflash, that's so annoying..... | 14:14 |
| MasterZap | (sorry, just thinking out loud) | 14:14 |
| frals | ZogG_laptop: pong again then :p | 14:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: sup? | 14:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | may i PM? | 14:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 14:31 |
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| frals | ZogG_laptop: sure | 14:36 |
| frals | im at work so i cant check public irc every minute :p | 14:36 |
| dm8tbr | people just don't get that IRC is an asynchronous media :) | 14:38 |
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| Elleo | urgh, the ovi store just rejected my statusnet client because I mention that I'm making it available via apps for meego on my website :| | 14:44 |
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| Elleo | "FAILED: Linking to an External Store or Website promoting competing products. " | 14:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: :/ | 14:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: tbh it's not supposed to be one | 14:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at some point it turned into one | 14:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the entire point is interactive real-time chat | 14:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not drop a message, wait hours-days, hope someone read it | 14:46 |
| frals | ZogG_laptop: anyway, you dont have to ask to query me | 14:47 |
| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: people who insist on getting answers in 2 nanoseconds and go berserk and flood the channel with punctuation and all caps are still being dicks. just saying. | 14:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: well, yeah, that's the opposite extreme | 14:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not saying that's good, but it would be nice if irc wasn't dominated by people who join 800 channels and talk in none of them | 14:48 |
| frals | maybe they are all talking but somewhere you dont see, hence why they dnot talk in the other channels ;) | 14:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so many people don't do any chit chat and don't help anyone out, they just sit around and hoover up messages | 14:49 |
| * dm8tbr is on many channels and actually follows most of them. *shrug* | 14:49 | |
| frals | dunno, i idle in lots of channels and soak up stuff, but talk when i have something to say :P | 14:49 |
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| frals | which means in some channels i dont talk much, in others lots more | 14:49 |
| frals | i might be a bad irc'er, i guess ;D | 14:50 |
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| petteri | i just ignore all joins/parts etc. makes these channels much more nicer to read | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | frals: well, you don't seem to be one of the talkative individuals :p | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think i've seen you say anything here for a month or two | 14:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, you said something yesterday so that's not quite the case :p | 14:52 |
| Elleo | I guess I'll make a generic support site for my app just for the ovi store, that doesn't mention anything else (and which I'll probably never update) | 14:53 |
| frals | itsnotabigtruck: ive probably said my fair share of stuff in this channel over time, though, but i still idle here because i have some interest in harmattan still, and just because i dont have tim to talk every day doesnt mean i dont read stuff ;) | 14:54 |
| frals | i guess most people that [full time commitment] have their activity vary over time, and not only on irc :p | 14:55 |
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| khertan | frals: +1 | 15:49 |
| khertan | frals: no time to give longer answer | 15:49 |
| khertan | :) | 15:49 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines khertan typing one-handed while climbing a cliff. | 15:50 | |
| khertan | SpeedEvil: it s more difficult than climbing a cliff, i 'm giving my baby his bottle | 16:01 |
| khertan | :) | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:02 |
| pa | by the way, is it official why skype on N9 does not video call? | 16:04 |
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| trx | rzr does the package git in your repo support svn? | 16:09 |
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| xmlich02 | hi, I am trying to develop application using syncfw example. Is there any documentation how to debug it? Is there any log file for it? The /var/log/syslog contains following line "signonpluginprocess: Cannot read from cancel socket can anyone tell me how" (>100 times) | 16:20 |
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| Elleo | xmlich02: my approach with syncfw was just to have a tiny syncfw plugin that called by real application via dbus | 16:30 |
| Elleo | much easier to develop that way, and much better for users when upgrading | 16:31 |
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| Elleo | since syncfw needs restarting to take account of a change to your plugin | 16:31 |
| Elleo | called my* | 16:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: could you sync mosh with the 1maemo3 version in my repo? | 16:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems that when you uploaded it, you got the 1maemo1 version that had the alignment crash | 16:33 |
| xmlich02 | Elleo, i am just starting an QProcess since i am not skilled with dbus. My plugin is not working anymore and I am not able to find any reason | 16:36 |
| Elleo | xmlich02: well if its any use to you, here's my plugin source: https://gitorious.org/statusnet-meego-plugin/statusnet-meego-plugin/trees/master/syncfw-plugin | 16:36 |
| Elleo | it's basically just the example plugin with a bit of dbus stuff though | 16:36 |
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| aep_ | heya, is there any user who is allowed to run bluez-test-device? i'm trying to set a device as trusted, since there is no gui for it | 16:50 |
| xmlich02 | Is this normal? http://pastebin.com/udqF5KMA | 16:50 |
| pa | can i ask you something? | 16:55 |
| pa | on syncfw docs it says that by default it supports syncml | 16:56 |
| pa | by default, Ovi Contacts, Google contacts, mobical, and memotoo are supported). | 16:56 |
| pa | why isnt it possible to sync contacts via syncml then? | 16:56 |
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| nix-cyrus | guys have some bug.. 1) install app; 2) create folder; 3) put icon of this app into this folder; 4) uninstall app... icon still in folder and I even can't delete it. Is there any way to delete it? | 17:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz it's probably symlink | 17:45 |
| trx | can anyone tell me how to use other repositories (rzr's repo) for build-depends in c-OBS? | 17:57 |
| trx | is that possible? | 17:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | trx: it is, but you won't be able to submit into apps for meego then :( | 18:05 |
| trx | damn this repo mess | 18:06 |
| trx | i dont care, how can it be done? | 18:06 |
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| trx | problem solved | 18:48 |
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| trx | as for apps for meego, is it known when will it support libraries? | 18:49 |
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| trx | haha, i finally solved the build-depend problem, the package that i needed is git | 20:06 |
| trx | and only to find out that c-obs doesnt allow internet access :) | 20:07 |
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| jpwhiting | argh, CommonDialog is only a symbian component? | 21:05 |
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| jonni | jpwhiting: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-dialog.html | 21:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | how do i set permission for files on deploy? | 22:00 |
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