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| itsnotabigtruck | lol mankeli | 00:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it always does that when it fails | 00:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even when it succeeds | 00:06 |
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| mankeli | :-) | 00:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni and others, how would be difficult to add drivers to n9, and do i need drivers in order to connect to camera, i know there re android apps that allow you to take photos and control camera | 00:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | it calculates light and stuff | 00:09 |
| mankeli | i guess you could do that without any kernel-level drivers, but many cameras just expect that they are connected to a usb _host_ | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you mean like an external camera? why? | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and usb host mode is a ways off, i don't know if anybody is even working on it now | 00:13 |
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| DrGrov | Finally, I got that damn final thesis subject correct | 00:14 |
| DrGrov | Thanks alterego, SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer for the help with the language barrier :) | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: it finished | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try this stuff | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/dependency?arch=armv7el&dname=libprotobuf7&dproject=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&drepository=Harmattan&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/dependency?arch=armv7el&dname=libio-pty-perl&dproject=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&drepository=Harmattan&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (apologies for uber links) | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also those last two don't contain links to the actual payloads...lol | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/ here you go | 00:21 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | libprotoc7, libio-pty-perl, and mosh | 00:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: be advised that i have no idea if it works | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'll need libprotobuf7 from there too | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't work in scratchbox, i just tried | 00:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: is it working? | 00:31 |
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| mankeli | libprotoc7? | 00:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | mosh | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: well, does it work? | 00:34 |
| mankeli | just installing packages | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not convenient for me to test atm and i don't even have a mosh server | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hopefully this won't fubar your phone | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :( | 00:35 |
| mankeli | well i think i will reflash rootfs tomorrow anyway :) | 00:35 |
| mankeli | dependencies are ok, and it starts | 00:36 |
| mankeli | but the shell says mosh: Crypto exception: Bad alignment. | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bad alignment, eh | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sounds like it's not alignment-clean | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | arm is picky about that | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't read a 32 bit int at an address that isn't a multiple of 4 | 00:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | mips =) | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok night | 00:39 |
| mankeli | yup, i wonder why they even allow addressing bytes like that ;-) propeller parallax for example already has 32bit as a smallest datatype | 00:39 |
| mankeli | *parallax propeller | 00:39 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: night | 00:39 |
| mankeli | ok, if i try to connect my pc from phone, it says bad alignment and pressing ctrl+c goes to some weird non-working shell | 00:40 |
| mankeli | and if i try to connect my phone from pc, it just says "connecting" forever | 00:41 |
| mankeli | hmm | 00:43 |
| mankeli | apparently it's because of misalignment on that direction too | 00:44 |
| mankeli | because if i try to connect manually with mosh-client, the mosh-server on n9 surely receives something but just spits out "crypto exception: bad alignment" | 00:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, i thought the point was to connect from the N9 to a mosh server elsewhere | 00:47 |
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| sigmaorion | I there | 00:48 |
| sigmaorion | anybody has installer HDR Camera from OVI Store? I have PR1.2, installed it and it crashes when I tap the screen to take the picture... | 00:49 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: of course, but it doesn't hurt trying the other way around too :) | 00:49 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: by the way, why it is "bad" to run the system in open mode? i mean, at least on quick glance everything seems to be working so why bother to try to keep aegis? | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the disclaimer, also you can't modify the calibration data area (CAL), or do a system upgrade | 00:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's tricky to get in or out of open mode | 00:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | going into open mode doesn't get rid of aegis anyway | 00:53 |
| mankeli | i see | 00:54 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, hi! | 00:55 |
| sigmaorion | PR1.2 is nice, it seems to worl pretty well, didn't find anything wrong since I flashed it last week | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool | 00:56 |
| sigmaorion | *work | 00:57 |
| sigmaorion | is http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ the right place to look for existing bugs and report new ones? | 00:57 |
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| ieatlint | i don't think you can report bugs anymore | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the last version ever is going to be released Real Soon Now | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's way too late for bugs | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | and all bugs that will be fixed in a 1.3 release have already been determined (but no confirmation on whether there will be a 1.3 released) | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | have they confirmed 1.3 will ever see daylight? | 01:01 |
| sigmaorion | 1.3 will be the very last version? | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | yes, bugfix only | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | as i understand, the only chance for a fix after that would be due to a major security vulnerability ... but i'll reiterate i'm speaking as a person from the outside with no internal knowledge | 01:02 |
| sigmaorion | that doesn't sound happy... | 01:04 |
| * sigmaorion is pretty sad about this news :( | 01:05 | |
| sigmaorion | will Nokia just support Windows now? | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | no | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | symbian still has life left in it | 01:06 |
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| ieatlint | and if you believe the rumours, they're coming out with a new linux-based platform for low end phones to replace symbian | 01:06 |
| sigmaorion | meego died before symbian, I thought it wuold have some more life | 01:06 |
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| ieatlint | but meego harmattan will not appear on more phones | 01:06 |
| sigmaorion | why replace symbian? | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | because symbian is horrible :P | 01:07 |
| sigmaorion | symbian has many years and apps | 01:07 |
| ieatlint | more specifically i think the plan is to kill off symbian 3, and replace symbian s40 with this linux-based thing | 01:07 |
| sigmaorion | god help nokia... | 01:07 |
| sigmaorion | I love Nokia devices, but I think they've lost their way | 01:08 |
| ieatlint | yeah... tis sad | 01:08 |
| M4rtinK | any idea what Aegis credential is needed for backlight control ? | 01:10 |
| sigmaorion | what is really sad, for me, is to think on Nitdroid proyect as a replacement for a dead platform that I really love... in fact I don't like Android | 01:10 |
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| M4rtinK | as my screen blanking prevention code works on the N900, I'd guess I hit another Aegis related issue :) | 01:11 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: why so many packages for mosh btw? | 01:11 |
| mankeli | and could you put the source packages online also? i'm hoping i have some free time at work tomorrow to check if can fix those alignment problems | 01:12 |
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| Krambambulin | hello. has anyone an idea howto get seconds for LockScreenHeaderClock? | 01:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the source packages are in OBS | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | feel free to go at it | 02:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck | 02:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: still there? | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what api are you using to control the backlight | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also check out the logs for aegis avcs or whatever they're called | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're using dbus and mce or dsme, those require various aegis privileges | 03:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of the qtmobility stuff is based on dbus and those various services | 03:15 |
| M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: through QtMobility | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: well, check the logs | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also try running your program through opensh | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if that works, run it with fewer and fewer permissions using aegis-exec | 03:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that if you shipped an aegis manifest in your package you might need to take that out in order to test | 03:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you'll probably need to do an aegisctl -s too | 03:18 |
| M4rtinK | looks like I found the issue :) | 03:18 |
| M4rtinK | I'm using setScreenSaverInhibit | 03:18 |
| M4rtinK | but not on the N9/950 :D | 03:18 |
| M4rtinK | forgot that only the N900 device module handles backlight control so far :) | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh lol, so you just weren't calling the function | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, there's a good chance you'll have aegis trouble too | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so time to find out :p | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: did you get x-fade to sort out your app | 03:21 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, just worked through some aegis troubles with the camera | 03:21 |
| M4rtinK | not yet | 03:21 |
| M4rtinK | in the end I made a fake package | 03:22 |
| M4rtinK | (now speaking about the camera troubles) | 03:22 |
| M4rtinK | that launches my not-installed app through subprocess.call | 03:23 |
| M4rtinK | so I can just rsync it as usual | 03:23 |
| M4rtinK | and dont have to wait on the bloody packaging to finish :) | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for camera you could probably just run it through develsh | 03:25 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, aegis does not log anything to the logs, when it denies access to the camera | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's not a solution i'd recommend ever shipping, but for something you'd ship you'd make a package anyway | 03:25 |
| M4rtinK | and the QML Camera element even report that it is loaded | 03:25 |
| M4rtinK | well, I made the package first :) | 03:26 |
| M4rtinK | then started actual development on the app :) | 03:26 |
| M4rtinK | I have basically reused modRana packaging & Mieru for the basic app logic | 03:27 |
| M4rtinK | and all the Aegis stuff works fine when run through OBS | 03:28 |
| M4rtinK | but i really can't wait that long when debugging the barely documented Camera element :) | 03:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is there anything in the AFM testing queue that ought to be tested? | 03:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like maeflight is one approval short of a promotion | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't look that polished though | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the problem i have with AFM - no one is uploading polished software there | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the people who have built polished software aren't uploading | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :/ | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fahrplan is close to being approved | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any austrians/germans/swiss/australians/danish here who use fahrplan? | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so, approve this: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Location%20&%20Navigation/fahrplan2/ | 03:50 |
| merlin1991 | fahrplan sucks | 03:50 |
| merlin1991 | or rather seems to use a bad backend | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: it does? :( | 03:50 |
| merlin1991 | the train times for austria are never right | 03:50 |
| merlin1991 | also the last time I checked the ui wasn't exactly polished | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks ok in the screenshots | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: any apps you've made that haven't been uploaded to AfM? | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i forget what you've built | 03:53 |
| merlin1991 | nah nothing | 03:54 |
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| javispedro | meh, actually, the x11 bridge is useful | 03:56 |
| javispedro | using the virtual keyboard with X11 redirected app | 03:56 |
| javispedro | take that stupid dbus-based protocols | 03:56 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 03:57 |
| M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: it passed my routing test :) | 03:57 |
| javispedro | someday the ubuntu guys will come to me imploring why didn't they use x11-based global menu protocol instead of libdbusmenu | 03:57 |
| M4rtinK | it found a connection from Prague to Sevastopol :) | 03:57 |
| javispedro | (I hope that day comes before wayland, of course) | 03:57 |
| M4rtinK | btw, its about 16 days by foot per Google Directions :) | 03:58 |
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| Elleo | mankeli, itsnotabigtruck: just tried the mosh packages on my phone, and while I do get the bad alignment message it works for me (going from phone -> remote server) | 04:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Elleo: cool | 04:06 |
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| khertan | Hi all ! | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro, you're so right | 12:44 |
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| liar_ | hi, does anybody want to work with me on a keyboard/mouse "emulator"? this is what i've done so far: https://github.com/liar/mynewmousen9 | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | earthquake 8.7 and tsunami warning for indian ocean | 13:24 |
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| faenil | OMG | 13:29 |
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| petteri | is there mosh http://mosh.mit.edu/ package for N9 somewhere | 13:47 |
| dm8tbr | people have been talking about it | 13:54 |
| dm8tbr | someone had to reflash their phone after trying to build it ;) | 13:54 |
| mankeli | petteri: itsnotabigtruck built some packages, but they are not working correctly due to some alignment problems | 14:03 |
| petteri | mankeli: thanks. I have scratcbox installed on my dekstop. I could also try to compile from the debian sources | 14:04 |
| Elleo | petteri: itsnotabigtruck's packages work for me | 14:04 |
| liar_ | nobody wants to use his n9 as wifi touchpad? ^^ i just need help with the keyboard (key modifier) stuff and the packaging... | 14:04 |
| Elleo | despite the alignment error | 14:04 |
| petteri | any links to itsnotabigtruck's packages := | 14:05 |
| petteri | :) | 14:05 |
| Elleo | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/ | 14:07 |
| mankeli | libio-pty-perl, libprotobuf7 and mosh | 14:07 |
| petteri | ok, thanks I will take a look at those | 14:07 |
| mankeli | Elleo: are you running pr1.1 or something? and did you install those same three packages? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | tsunami warning cancelled | 14:10 |
| Elleo | mankeli: pr1.2 | 14:10 |
| Elleo | I installed libprotobuf7_2.4.1-1maemo1_armel.deb, libprotobuf-lite7_2.4.1-1maemo1_armel.deb, libio-pty-perl_1.08-1_armel.deb, libprotoc7_2.4.1-1maemo1_armel.deb and mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb | 14:11 |
| mankeli | on my phone it kinda works, but when you connect to outside world i have to first press ctrl+c and after that it kinda works, but seems to be bit flakey | 14:12 |
| Elleo | I get the alignment error periodically appear at the top, but other than that it works reliably | 14:12 |
| mankeli | and connecting from outside world to the phone just results mosh-server to spit out lots of alignment error messages | 14:12 |
| Elleo | connecting in to the phone results in mosh-server complaining about setlocale not being found for me | 14:13 |
| Elleo | but I'm not especially fussed about going in that direction | 14:13 |
| Elleo | I'll be on a long train trip this afternoon with constantly dropping net connection, so I'll be able to give it a good long test | 14:14 |
| mankeli | not really my definition of working software if it doesn't work the other way around when it should, but hopefully it's an easy fix if it already works almost reliably | 14:16 |
| mankeli | long test is definitely a good thing | 14:16 |
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| Mirv | any idea how to download eMMC flash image without windows/navifirm? naviperl.pl doesn't seem to offer eMMC choices? | 14:19 |
| mankeli | navifirmex works with wine | 14:21 |
| jonni | navifirmex is unsupported 3rd party client that runs in wine. | 14:21 |
| Mirv | thanks, trying that! | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly wonder if Nokia could've found one more way to mess up HARM in favour of psycromoft | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe next flasher version runs on windows only | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | windows8 X-P | 14:31 |
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| Mirv | navifirmex works, but seems to show only the same files as naviperl.pl.. could someone tell a path to a filelist that has also the eMMC flash image? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aftershock quake 8.1, tsunami warning still active | 14:43 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer: alert is still maintained | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: well, maybe your wording is better than my "still active", yeah | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | authorities extended the warning by 2 hours | 15:17 |
| liar_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xLrS29XhSA | 15:19 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer: oh sorry ... didn't see that you post it some line before ;) sorry | 15:20 |
| khertan | :) | 15:20 |
| khertan | and no my words isn't better :) | 15:20 |
| petteri | Elleo: do you where can I find source packages for itsnotabigtruck's debian packages? | 15:20 |
| kulve | petteri: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck | 15:21 |
| kulve | I tried those as well and I'm also getting the aligment errors | 15:21 |
| kulve | I built those in SB as well but in there I get undefined symbol from perl stuff.. | 15:22 |
| petteri | kulve: thanks | 15:22 |
| petteri | i stripped the libraries/perls/binaries from the packages and lauched from /home/user/ with modified LD_LIBRARY_PATH and modfied perl include path and they seem to work fine | 15:24 |
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| Burner_ | any ideas howto fix filesystem on n950? it drops to readonly and boot does not help. I also get io errors | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "aftershock earthquake not causing any tsunami either" says German TV ZDF correspondent Peter Kunz | 16:02 |
| x29a | Burner_: fsck? | 16:06 |
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| Burner_ | x29a I dont find it from that and this does not allow unmount that partition | 16:08 |
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| Burner_ | hmm sbin is not on path. what filesystem this use? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess it will become a mission impossible to fsck on HARM | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's conflicting with all that aegis tries to enforce | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/become/turn out to be/ | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Burner_: probably a full reflash is your best option | 16:15 |
| Burner_ | ok. then I need that ethernet driver so I can take backup first | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless there's some "magic" in HARM initscropts etc already, to do fsck under certain circumstances | 16:16 |
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| Burner_ | windows 7 does not detect that driver and I also try install madde 0.7.48 (it was only what I find). So if someone have that w7 64bit RNDIS ethernet driver is it possible to send it somehow? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really wonder why I still bother to notice the daily HARM WTF, each single day. | 16:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is pr1.3 out? | 17:00 |
| faenil | 1.3? | 17:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | false alarm | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | saw update icons but it was just an app | 17:02 |
| Termana | oh you | 17:03 |
| javispedro | pr.117! | 17:04 |
| faenil | lol | 17:09 |
| leinir | pr 404 ;) | 17:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Burner_: what if you remount read-only (looks like that's already done) | 17:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do a fsck from opensh | 17:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then immediately reboot | 17:11 |
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| Burner_ | is addressbook and sms files compatible with new version? if I reflash this device to 1.2 and then copy db files back? | 17:23 |
| StefanYohansson | yes | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Burner_: what about my suggestion above | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do you already have inception installed, if not that could be a problem (though maybe you just need to be root - devel-su) | 17:26 |
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| Burner_ | itsnotabigtruck I can test after I have copied all files. It copy now files with scp to linux laptop | 17:27 |
| Burner_ | hmm looks that I got huge ammount io errors | 17:27 |
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| Burner_ | hmm even I am root this give operation not permitted when I try add route with ip route add default via 192.168.2.14 | 17:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Burner_: because being root doesn't matter | 17:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do it from develsh or opensh | 17:38 |
| Burner_ | itsnotabigtruck if I run fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p3 it says that logical sector size is zero | 17:39 |
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| Burner_ | hoh it is ext4 :) lest try again | 17:46 |
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| Burner_ | looks that filesystem is toasted... | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 17:50 |
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| Burner_ | yep... fsck check and fix that BUT there is nothing left | 17:52 |
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| Burner_ | no contacts no messages :/ well that just remind us what is purpose of backups... | 17:54 |
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| Mirv | I'm wondering that if I don't need the stock photos, music and videos, do I miss anything important from the eMMC... | 17:58 |
| Mirv | downloading maps etc. is possible also now, camera app seemingly created DCIM directory, etc | 17:58 |
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| Burner_ | is this user/.contacts/tracker database of contacts? | 18:01 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: you there ? :) | 18:08 |
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| juhaj | Is anyone here familiar with kontact touch? | 18:25 |
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| Jare | does "accli -I" in develsh shell list all the credentials a 3rd party program can get? | 18:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jare: not with inception :D | 18:47 |
| Jare | hah, true | 18:47 |
| Jare | it doesn't help writing software for over 90 percent of owners though | 18:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jare: forget them? the problem is that building stuff for a mass market, and building top notch stuff, aren't necessarily compatible | 18:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just assert whatever permissions you need and then see if inception is required when you're done | 18:50 |
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| jkt | hi | 18:51 |
| jkt | I'm porting a Qt application to QML for N9 and would like to know where am I supposed to store my settings/preferences | 18:52 |
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| jkt | I've googled for that and the most often present suggestion is to use http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#offline-storage-api, which is about as useful as suggesting to use XmlStreamWriter for managing my key/value pairs | 18:52 |
| jkt | I can certainly do that, but it looks like an obviously missing piece of code | 18:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jkt: i *think* it's ~user/.config | 18:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure | 18:56 |
| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: I'm not asking about where to put that on disk (I'm familiar with the XDG standard), I'm asking about how to access that from QML | 18:57 |
| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: sorry for not being clear on that :) | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jkt: well, you said where to store them | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | erm, call out to some real code and do it there? | 18:58 |
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| jkt | itsnotabigtruck: let me rephrase, then -- I have already done that with QSettings on the desktop version. It's easy as pie in there. Now I'd like to do that from the QML side of things. The suggestion I've read is "just use sqlite through openDatabaseSync()", which is about ten times harder than using QSettings | 19:00 |
| jkt | so I'm wondering how other people store settings when developing QML applications for N9 | 19:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jkt: you really shouldn't be putting your actual code in qml | 19:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just call out to some c++ and do it there | 19:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | people keep trying to write all-QML apps, they have a lot of trouble writing them and they turn out clunky | 19:01 |
| jkt | well | 19:02 |
| jkt | there's already a C++ class doing everything I need (the QSettings), so my naive idea is "why I just cannot use it directly?" | 19:03 |
| jkt | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Storing_and_managing_application_settings_Example_of_storing_settings_directly_to_GConf.html is probably what I'm looking for here | 19:04 |
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| Burner_ | what files contains sms messages? | 19:18 |
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| phako | jkt: because QSettings is deprecated | 19:58 |
| phako | Burner_: the tracker database | 19:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | did anyone get MOSH working? | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli petteri Elleo anyone else who was interested ^ | 21:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/11/putting-people-first/ | 21:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i don't remember that happening to us when we had simuliar bug with N9 | 21:23 |
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| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, i just tried to build it | 21:26 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, segfault on my armv5 debian | 21:27 |
| Elleo | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, its works for me on wireless | 21:30 |
| rzr | on n9? | 21:30 |
| Elleo | doesn't work on 3g though, because my mobile provider seems to block all UDP traffic | 21:30 |
| Elleo | rzr: n950 | 21:30 |
| rzr | good | 21:34 |
| rzr | i am building some of the dependencies now | 21:34 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=skalibs&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 21:35 |
| Elleo | rzr: have you tried the version itsnotabigtruck built yesterday? | 21:39 |
| rzr | havent noticed it .. on tmo ? | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzR: i built it and the deps on my OBS account | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i took out the dependencies on libutempter and skalibs | 21:43 |
| rzr | let me try to finish my build :-) | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | skalibs, during its build process, tries to read a bunch of data from /dev/random, which is going to hang forever | 21:44 |
| rzr | yes | 21:45 |
| rzr | i noticed that | 21:45 |
| rzr | next job is to test on armv5 , because it segfault on my nas | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a few people reported the build i made productes 'Bad alignment | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ' errors | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's probably not alignment clean | 21:48 |
| rzr | i guess upstream will release new versions soon | 21:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also, MOSH failed to build due to a compiler warning initially | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i changed it to not treat warnings as errors, but maybe the warning was a sign of something being up on ARM | 21:52 |
| rzr | you should not be proud of it :-P | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | proud of what? | 21:53 |
| rzr | of hiding the problems | 21:54 |
| rzr | well nevermind | 21:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also low-severity compiler warnings are super noisy and come and go with the wind, the build failure was likely due to using a slightly different version of gcc or slightly different headers or whatever | 21:54 |
| rzr | just a suggestion , mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1.dsc | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | setting warnings = errors is a good way to make your build explode randomly | 21:55 |
| rzr | why adding 1 to maemo subversion ? | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: because it's normal to start at 1? | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm following the same convention everyone's been doing forever | 21:55 |
| rzr | i would have put 0 , in case maemo do release the 1 | 21:55 |
| rzr | ok | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia's not going to be making an official release of this | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with almost 100% certainty | 21:56 |
| rzr | I used 0 for out of distro packages to integrate smoothly | 21:56 |
| rzr | yes | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | avoiding collisions with nokia packages is kind of a moot point, assuming it's not something they're already shipping | 21:56 |
| rzr | that was just a minor suggestion | 21:56 |
| rzr | but I would keep the maemoN (n>1) for afm or project's community repo | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but then what if i make another revision | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | usually i bump the maemoversion every time i modify it after having a successful build | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. keep uploading maemo1 until it builds, then for the next modification go to maemo2 | 21:58 |
| juhaj | What's the status with aheinecke_'s kontact touch repository and rzr's? Reading kde-mobile archives leads me to believe they contain incompatibilities, but I can only find openvpn from rzr's and kontact touch from aheinecke_'s, so I have a problem... | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also btw rzr: are you going to clean up the repo at some point? iirc there's still a lot of unresolvables | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also for some reason there's two different repositories for harmattan stuff | 22:00 |
| rzr | i havent explained the idea | 22:00 |
| rzr | yet | 22:00 |
| rzr | the 1st one is depending only on platform debs | 22:01 |
| rzr | the other adding other repos for deps | 22:01 |
| rzr | +is | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to make it less cluttered though | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right now there's a zillion different projects each with a zillion different repos and a lot of them seem to have been forgotten | 22:03 |
| rzr | you're right ant the same time i welcome anyone would like to help in fixing the broken packages | 22:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | part of the problem is that renaming repos will break everyone's apt entries | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i think renaming stuff tends to cause massive rebuilds | 22:07 |
| rzr | who talked about renaming ? | 22:07 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: so your mosh source packages (libio-pty-perl, libprotobuf7 and mosh) are based on the packages from debian sid? | 22:10 |
| rzr | with a few patches | 22:11 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: I have been trying to figure out the "right" places to install stuff form and it seems impossible to figure out, so I must agree with you: there are too many repos =) | 22:11 |
| rzr | so let's create an other one :-) | 22:11 |
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| rzr | juhaj, the main issue is where to upload libs ? | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: and the problem is that some of those repos have packages with higher versions than nokia packages | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which can provoke people into screwing up their phones | 22:12 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, which ones ? | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: i'm not sure but it's definitely happened before | 22:12 |
| rzr | those could not be build on obs now IICR | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a few people did stuff like running a dist-upgrade, not reading the output, removing mp-harmattan-001-pr, installing a package with the GUI, bricking their phones | 22:13 |
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| juhaj | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com is "safe" I would presume? | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: that's the default repo, so of course | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also repo.apps.formeego.org is safe too | 22:16 |
| rzr | my obs one is not , and i warned you : You can also add this extra repo but make sure to be warned : CAUTION UNSECURE DANGEROUS PANIC APOCAPLYSE SUICIDE SELF DESTRUCT ANYONE LEFT ?: | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:17 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: What's the full deb-line for repo.apps.formeego.org? "deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org what goes here"? | 22:19 |
| juhaj | rzr: Was that meant for me..? | 22:19 |
| rzr | http://apps.formeego.org/n9testing | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: hold on | 22:20 |
| juhaj | rzr: That redirects to a .deb, was that intentional? | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: the official way is to install that deb along with the apps for meego client | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i prefer to just add the apt lines | 22:20 |
| mankeli | why that downloads.maemo.nokia.com just says "access denied" | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no matter what first you need to apt-get install aegis-community-source-policy | 22:20 |
| rzr | juhaj, well i was just pasting the "alt shared repo" info at http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan | 22:20 |
| rzr | juhaj, that deb will add the source.list | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: then for the actual repo lines, do this | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | echo 'deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing ./' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/appsformeego-testing.list | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | echo 'deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps ./' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/appsformeego.list | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-get update | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the aegis-community-source-policy will install the needed apt key and aegis domain | 22:22 |
| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Got that installed now | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | skip the debs | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apps-testing-enabler and org.formeego.apps that is | 22:22 |
| juhaj | (And numpy! Cool! Perhaps I will port my simulation software to N9?) | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though, if you want the apps client, just do apt-get install org.formeego.apps | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (yes, it's named like a java package for some reason) | 22:23 |
| rzr | juhaj, simulation of ? | 22:23 |
| juhaj | rzr: I do topological solitons and defects for a living | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also mankeli: first, downloads.maemo.nokia.com requires a password to access, and second, they did something to prevent it from being accessed with a regular browser | 22:23 |
| mankeli | ugh | 22:24 |
| rzr | In mathematics and physics, a topological soliton or a topological defect is a solution of a system of partial differential equations or of a quantum field theory homotopically distinct from the vacuum solution; | 22:24 |
| rzr | humm | 22:24 |
| * rzr feels stupid now | 22:24 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:25 |
| rzr | juhaj, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_defect | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wikipedia's math articles are notoriously terrible | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said i'm clueless about this too | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can only understand one of those articles if you already know what it's supposed to be explaining :p | 22:26 |
| rzr | but I am sure I need it on harmattan :) | 22:26 |
| rzr | I understand that stuff is existing but not on earth ... | 22:27 |
| mankeli | so...still about that open mode, did i understand correctly that if my phone breaks now while it's in open mode, i have a 700e brick in my hands? | 22:28 |
| mankeli | but if i flash fresh pr1.2 rootfs, it's back to closed mode and hence, warranty is not void | 22:28 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, with an image it's simple : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/DoubleWellSolitonAntisoliton.gif | 22:29 |
| jonni | I'll do a quick test if I can compile mosh in my sb | 22:31 |
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| jonni | got all depency libs compiled.... now moving to mosh | 22:36 |
| mankeli | from itsnotabigtruck's packages? i couldn't compile libio-pty-perl because it is depending on some perl package version that's not available on n9 | 22:39 |
| jonni | from scratch | 22:39 |
| juhaj | rzr: Superconductors, *LCD*s, Bose-Einstein condensates, liquid helium, and fiber optics all exhibit topological solitons or defects and exist on Earth. But you are right, we do not *need* my simulation software on Harmattan, but it would be *cool* (although any useful simulation needs ~100G memory...) | 22:40 |
| jonni | clearly Im still missing io-pty then... lets see | 22:40 |
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| mankeli | jonni: ah, no packages? | 22:43 |
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| jonni | installed IO::Pty from cpan, now I have mosh working | 22:47 |
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| juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Oh, btw, thank you *very* much for the flashing guide. I had to reflash my N9 when I had had it for less than a day, thanks to the but aheinecke_ mentioned earlier today. | 22:52 |
| jonni | heh, so it took 20 mins to get mosh working from scratch... now if I only would have time or interest to make decent deb package out of it. lets see I might have time at some point. | 22:54 |
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| mankeli | so no one knows about that open mode warranty thing? | 23:04 |
| jonni | mankeli: well that what it says in the openmode bootscreen. Noboby has tested whether its true or not. | 23:08 |
| rzr | mosh: Crypto exception: Bad alignment. [To quit: Ctrl-^ .] | 23:09 |
| jonni | mankeli: but atleast I havent heard that nokia care would have refused to fix warranty issues because of open mode, atleast nobody has complained about it in irc or forums. But might be that nobody has broken their device yet in openmode. | 23:10 |
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| javispedro | rzr: echo 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the phone is so broken it can't be un-openmoded, it's probably so broken no one will be able to tell it was in open mode | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: no alignment errors? | 23:16 |
| javispedro | oh, the default on the N9 is to crash, so this is not _that_ alignment problem | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: oh, so this is an alignment issue different from the arm word boundary thing | 23:16 |
| mankeli | jonni, itsnotabigtruck: thank you. then i probably don't have to hurry with the reflashing | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: why not reflash though | 23:17 |
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| javispedro | reflashing also technically voids the warranty | 23:19 |
| javispedro | (just saying =) ) | 23:19 |
| mankeli | i will reflash soon, i'm just not mentally prepared yet to lose all my apps. and i wanted to know that if something happens to my phone before that, i don't have a very expensive brick in my hands | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: no it doesn't...the warning in the flasher app says something along the lines that you /can/ void your warranty if you use it wrong | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | say, by putting it into open mode | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | saying "flashing voids the warranty" is fud | 23:20 |
| javispedro | that is legalese for saying "you just have" | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, it's legalese for "we don't want to pay for your stupid flashing tricks" | 23:20 |
| javispedro | exactly | 23:21 |
| rzr | javispedro, thx but i dont see any changes , i planed to connect to a amd64 host ? | 23:21 |
| javispedro | rzr: nah if it were that kind of alignment problem it would have coredumped, so forget about my suggestion. | 23:21 |
| mankeli | i wonder if that open-modedness is permanently written in flash somewhere :-) | 23:21 |
| mankeli | but anyway, thanks jonni and itsnotabigtruck | 23:22 |
| rzr | anyway it does not connect , while it does on server on localhost | 23:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | if you use the flasher normally, you won't ruin the phone and you won't void the warranty | 23:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the distinction | 23:23 |
| mankeli | and that alignment problem is not hw problem, there is some buffer that's encrypted/decrypted and that gets allocated without alignment (atleast by a quick glance) | 23:23 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: that's actually how warranties work. | 23:24 |
| mankeli | there is just a check if (buffer & 0x0f != 0) print("waah alignment problem"); else encrypt(buffer); | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and tbh i don't know if there's any language in the actual warranty text that supports open mode voiding the warranty either | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | after all, just saying it's void doesn't make it void, if it doesn't actually say that in the actual document | 23:25 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: the way the average warranty terms are written, _using_ the thing usually voids the warranty | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "2. This Limited Warranty excludes...d) Defecs or damages caused by misuse of the Product, including usage in breach of the instructions furnished by Nokia, including those set out under the User Manual. e) Any other acts beyond the reasonable control of Nokia." | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just checked, that's the only thing i found that could be applicable and it isn't that applicable | 23:28 |
| javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: heck, it's a common legalese to say something as "the warranty will not be enforceable if the product has been modified by anyone other than authorized repair centre" | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has that too, but i'm interpreting "modified" as opened up and modified | 23:28 |
| javispedro | one could argue that _setting the date/time_ is modifying the product | 23:29 |
| javispedro | I say that argued once actually.. | 23:29 |
| javispedro | it was a nintendo console iirc | 23:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 23:29 |
| javispedro | hmprf, too hard to google, so ignore that. | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: ah | 23:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where is it in the code | 23:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does that mean a malloc just needs to be changed into an aligned_malloc or whatever | 23:31 |
| javispedro | posix_memalign | 23:31 |
| mankeli | grep -ir "bad alignment" | 23:31 |
| mankeli | oops: grep -ir "bad alignment" * | 23:32 |
| javispedro | but why would it fail? glibc malloc on arm has traditionally been as aligned as x86_64 (if not more) | 23:32 |
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| mankeli | i had REAL quick glance it this morning, then i had to revert to do actual work | 23:33 |
| petteri | did a quick hack mosh from itsnotabigtruck's mosh packages for me and my frieds, if someone wants to use feel free: http://23.fi/moshn9/ | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it wants 16 byte alignment | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | doesn't malloc only guarantee 8 byte alignment | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | petteri: wait, what are the changes | 23:35 |
| javispedro | it used to be 16 .. | 23:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if there's a patch file i can drop in... | 23:35 |
| petteri | itsnotabigtruck: no changes, just a way to run from /home/user without installing the debs | 23:35 |
| mankeli | so.....no alignment fix? | 23:36 |
| petteri | no | 23:36 |
| petteri | works for me even with the error | 23:36 |
| petteri | have been using all day | 23:37 |
| javispedro | don't understand all the fuss about mosh | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the Nonce class has this inside: char bytes[ 12 ] __attribute__((__aligned__ (16))); | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | was the behavior of the aligned attribute changed in recent GCC versions? | 23:39 |
| javispedro | no | 23:40 |
| javispedro | to be sure though youcan use readelf -S or similar on the .o files, it should display the section alignment | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's the maximum alignment on GNU LD for ARM? | 23:43 |
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| javispedro | hmmm? page size | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: apparently some linkers have maximum alignment as low as 8 | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i can't find any concrete info | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know if "some linkers" means some wonky microcontroller compiler or if it means real stuff | 23:46 |
| javispedro | _where_ (because it's pretty common to at least have pagesize alignment, for obvious reasons), and, might it be 2^8 instead of 8? | 23:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1468513/attribute-aligned-not-working-with-static-variables | 23:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also see the end of the aligned section here http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Type-Attributes.html#Type-Attributes | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is also copied into the SO post | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for section alignments, they all appear to be 8 or less | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however we're not talking about section alignment but field alignment | 23:50 |
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| javispedro | for the .o file, you are talking about section basically | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, i did readelf on the final linked binary | 23:51 |
| javispedro | well, I was suspecting that the section alignment got lost somewhere in the build process, so the idea was to check if it was correct in .o and bad in final executable | 23:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, i'm doing a local build so i'll have the .o files around | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: readelf -S on src/crypto/crypto.o only goes up to 8 as well | 23:57 |
| javispedro | hm, actually, a quick test reveled that cs2009 doesn't produce 16 | 23:58 |
| javispedro | aka test.c containing long double a = 3.4; or similar | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i suspect sbox-arm-none-li | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nux-gnueabi-ld only goes up to 8 | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (unexpected line break) | 23:58 |
| javispedro | no, I am yet the invoke the linker | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 23:58 |
| javispedro | it's gcc | 23:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well that's "awesome" | 23:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw what is cs2009 (besides part of the pathname) | 23:59 |
| javispedro | actually | 23:59 |
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| javispedro | codesourcery | 23:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 23:59 |
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