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| jpwhiting | wow, interesting | 00:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: so, get incepted! :p | 00:09 |
| * jpwhiting may just do that | 00:09 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: i've done some other little apps but they aren't as interesting, though you might find ad-hac useful if you don't have that yet | 00:10 |
| * jpwhiting doesn't have a sim card in his N9, so that might be less than useful :) | 00:10 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:10 |
| * jpwhiting is stuck on verizon at the moment | 00:10 | |
| jpwhiting | just use the N9 for development | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aw, lame | 00:11 |
| * jpwhiting is lame :) | 00:13 | |
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| Tronic | Any news on the overclocking side? | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: not that i'm aware of...the problem is that no one with the knowledge to do it is willing to make the module and distribute it | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: perhaps you could see to it, given that no one else is | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's definitely possible, rainisto mentioned on FMC he's already done it himself | 00:32 |
| Tronic | I have no idea how to compile kernel modules for Harmattan, to start with., | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: it's surprisingly easy | 00:35 |
| Tronic | Also no idea on how to do the frequency setting. | 00:35 |
| Tronic | I suppose the "surprisingly easy" part involves setting up scratchbox. I only have Qt SDK. | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i forget the command but you point make to the kernel tree and to your source | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and kbuild takes care of the rest | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, you need scratchbox, and also the headers package for what you're building against | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to get scratchbox anyway | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everyone doing anything serious needs itsooner rather than later, and i don't understand why it has so little uptake within this channel | 00:36 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 01:32 |
| Khertan | Someone could explain me the diffrerence in Qml Qt Component TextArea what is the difference between StyledText and RichText | 01:33 |
| Khertan | ? | 01:33 |
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| villager | Khertan: from what I can tell from a couple of searches, one of the differences is that StyledText isn't supported, maybe not implemented, and probably isn't supposed to work | 02:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83345 | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why is everyone suggesting everything /but/ the n9 -_- | 04:37 |
| teleshoes | heh yea | 04:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | For me, if I had the cash, I'd be extremely reluctant to buy something with no warranty, that I would have problems insuring. | 04:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: but it's worth it! how likely is it that it'll fail in year 1 anyway | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: My n900 failed in year 1.5 | 04:44 |
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| ieatlint | no one is suggesting the new openmoko phone either | 04:51 |
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| villager | itsnotabigtruck: sounds to me like they're not suggesting the n9 because they already have it | 04:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: the new openmoko phone, however, costs a *lot* | 05:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm not under the impression it's very usable as a smartphone, really | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | useful though if your priority #1 is knowing exactly what's on your phone, and hacking on stuff | 05:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand, these days the n9 costs significantly less than $600, and it's completely usable as a smartphone | 05:09 |
| keitsi | n9 costs 299e in finland... though they're out of stock for now | 05:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also dammit, didn't realize teleshoes would leave so soon | 05:10 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: yeah... i wish i had the money to throw on it right now though | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be cool to have a gsm850 openmoko g1 | 05:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't look like anybody stocks those these days and they're pretty rare in general | 05:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, g2 i guess, the freerunner | 05:13 |
| ieatlint | i have a gta02 | 05:14 |
| ieatlint | 850mhz in fact | 05:14 |
| ieatlint | but 666eur for the gta04.. | 05:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | = just shy of $900 with today's exchange rates | 05:15 |
| keitsi | I paid 699 for my N9 :P | 05:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keitsi: E or US$ | 05:16 |
| keitsi | e | 05:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's...way too much money for an N9 :p | 05:16 |
| keitsi | well, I needed a new phone ASAP, didn't want an android or iPhone | 05:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought the N9 started around US$700 | 05:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. around 500 eur | 05:17 |
| keitsi | when they hit the stores, the price was 700e for a while | 05:17 |
| keitsi | for 64GB | 05:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | things have been awfully dead over at the #inception channel :( | 05:20 |
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| petteri | so I am using offline storage api and want upgrade the database scheme for new version of my app | 11:22 |
| petteri | should I just pass new version number to openDatabaseSync and forget the earlier database or what? | 11:23 |
| petteri | 699 was lauch price here in finland. Bought one also for that price | 11:27 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 12:49 |
| rzr | hi Khertan | 13:28 |
| rzr | i did test your editor, it's fine ... | 13:28 |
| rzr | both are bit overlaping a bit .. I may then focus on the symbian version | 13:28 |
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| jonni | so how many here have tested overclocking module already? | 13:47 |
| rzr | not me | 14:02 |
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| Khertan | rzr, thx | 14:25 |
| Khertan | next release have markdown support | 14:25 |
| Khertan | rzr, and i m currently testing an other way to do syntax highlight, but it's slow, and seems to made trouble in qml engine | 14:27 |
| * rzr <3 .md | 14:28 | |
| rzr | is org mode planned ? | 14:28 |
| khertan_ | org ? | 14:32 |
| khertan_ | by support of markdown i mean preview ... nothing more ;) | 14:33 |
| khertan_ | rzr: :) | 14:36 |
| rzr | emacssorg -mode | 14:40 |
| rzr | emacs' org-mode | 14:40 |
| rzr | http://orgmode.org/ | 14:41 |
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| * rzr http://rzr.online.fr/q/mobi# What are the websites designed for #MobilE to #BookMark on your #PhonE ? #JQuerY #Html5 !n950club !MeeGo #MaemO | 15:01 | |
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| pa | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/03/nokia-meego-smartphones-pipeline/ | 15:58 |
| pa | is this true? | 15:58 |
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| dm8tbr | this is all based on some common rumour that surfaced recently and just reeks of wishful thinking | 16:04 |
| pa | hm.. so nothing sure | 16:07 |
| dm8tbr | 'sure' and 'true' it would be if you'd see a statement from Nokia PR | 16:08 |
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| jonni | is it aprils fools day already? :) | 16:20 |
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| jonni | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Nokia+CEO+Stephen+Elop+rules+out+possible+comeback+of+MeeGo/1135267179932 | 16:27 |
| pa | "In Elop's words, there is no returning to MeeGo, even if the N9 turns out to be a hit." he deserves to be fired just for this. Against any market strategy rule | 16:30 |
| auenf | 'future disruptions' | 16:32 |
| pa | but the strangest part of the article is glorifying Qt | 16:32 |
| pa | and then pushing WinPhone, that does not support Qt | 16:32 |
| faenil | not yet | 16:34 |
| pa | will it ever support it officially? | 16:34 |
| faenil | probably not officially, but who cares | 16:35 |
| faenil | but I'm sure Qt support will come from the community as soon as they give us the official NDK | 16:36 |
| faenil | and the bigger Qt becomes, the easier it gets to port it to other platforms (see. WP) | 16:37 |
| faenil | bigger = more developed | 16:37 |
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| auenf | the glorifying of QT is for the next billion iirc | 16:38 |
| rishi | Terms like "future disruptions" don't mean a thing when it comes from a man in the business suit. | 16:40 |
| rishi | Those are just gimmicks, but who gives a shit. | 16:40 |
| rishi | Waiting for the Vivaldi tablets to come out. | 16:40 |
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| luke-jr | AFAIK, the WinPhone contract forbids Nokia from porting Qt to it | 17:39 |
| faenil | then community will make it :) where's the prob...one guy alone made Qt for Android in 9 months (preprealpha) | 17:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: but i thought they already did port qt to it | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it might never see the light of day | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it might be for internal use only | 17:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and pa: i think it's well known that meltemi/nextbil includes some meego code, but it's definitely not meego | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the original story is a huge distortion and everyone's been reblogging it without any fact checking | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://appscout.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/268765-nokia-no-qt-for-windows-phone-7 hrm | 17:46 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, we know that, MSFT doesn't want to use more than one SDK, bla bla bla | 17:48 |
| pa | anyway, qtmobility should also start wrapping basic harware features, like radio, wifi, and so on, otherwise apps using these sensors/devices wont be portable | 17:50 |
| pa | or rather cross-platform, sorry | 17:50 |
| faenil | problem is qtmobility is not working anywhere correctly | 17:56 |
| pa | well, for contacts it works (on harmattan) | 17:57 |
| pa | more or less at least, i didnt do any advanced stuff | 17:57 |
| faenil | yeah, but harmattan and symbian are the only ones offering partial support | 17:58 |
| faenil | it's at early stages on Android, iOS, QNX ports | 17:58 |
| pa | well yeah, but those are not official ports | 17:59 |
| pa | you should blame those who implemented it, not nokia/qt | 18:00 |
| faenil | pa | 18:01 |
| faenil | pa, I know, but what we care about is how crossplatform our software is, as you pointed out :) | 18:02 |
| faenil | pa, anyway, I get your point and agree | 18:02 |
| faenil | but isn't wifi management already included in mobility? | 18:04 |
| pa | i dont know, but probably not. i've been looking everywhere for switching wlan on/off without success | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | april's fool? haha, haven't you realized you're still digesting last year's april's fool? ;-P | 18:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or has the noobness on TMO gone up a few notches in the past couple weeks | 19:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: in couple months or last year =) | 19:43 |
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| M4rtinK | anybody else getting no content from the AFM app ? | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | or more specifically it just displays "No Content" | 20:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: same here | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: any idea what might be the cause ? | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK | just wanted to test the new in-app QA form and now this :) | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: there's a qa form in the app? | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't even been using the app, i don't like it very much | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just added the repos to apt | 20:14 |
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| M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: yep, mus have been in one of the last updates | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | I find it quite that it has been finally integrated in the app | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | the less obstacles testers have to go through, the better :) | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: now you just need to convince 3 more people to test your app :p | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: how about testing M4rtinK's app | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's stuck at 3 approvals | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | good point ! :D | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just to let you know: http://www.gultek.eu/genuine-parts/lcd-modules/nokia/n9-complete.html | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 85 quid :O | 20:52 |
| teleshoes | damn! thats really really cool | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's a complete assembly of AMOLED plus C-TS | 20:53 |
| teleshoes | now i dont have to use a screen protector | 20:53 |
| teleshoes | AMOLED Complete Lcd DIsplay [sic] | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 20:54 |
| teleshoes | oh wait, i thought it said they had it | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUH. missed that part as well | 20:55 |
| teleshoes | oh well | 20:55 |
| teleshoes | i guess have to go right back to feeling guilty about not using a screen protector | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you still could ask a Nokia Care how much they'd charge for swapping the TS | 20:56 |
| teleshoes | in america! | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, N9 is supposedly still in production at Nokia, no? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | unlike N900 | 20:57 |
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| teleshoes | such bullshit how they wont even fix an n900 anymore | 20:57 |
| teleshoes | if you send it in, they basically confiscate it | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | where they rather give you a C7 or similar crap, maybe an N8, rather than fixing your N900 on warranty | 20:57 |
| teleshoes | at least what they give you has value on the market | 20:57 |
| teleshoes | but its a hassle to sell it and then buy another n900 | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no manufacturer may *confiscate* MY device | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | they damn better at very least return the unfixed device to me | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or they send a dude to Hongkong to get me a new one | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd definitely not accept any such scam like giving me crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever | 21:01 |
| teleshoes | well, you can just buy one on ebay | 21:02 |
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| teleshoes | selling an n8 at profit | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | doen't matter, and btw no new ones on fleabay | 21:02 |
| teleshoes | oh noes | 21:02 |
| teleshoes | didnt know that day had come | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | except that Hongkong source | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S why I said they may send a dude over there, to get me new one | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a gashead ever came up with the idea for policy to get rid of spare parts before even the 2 years warranty period from 1st time to marjket expired, that dude deserves some proper treatment | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since THAT incident Nokia basically is a no-go for me | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean I probably still get spare parts for my 12 year old 6210, originally from Nokia | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even a written and by-law warranty not being worth the paper it's written on, well that makes me just sad | 21:09 |
| teleshoes | yea | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | "OK you paid for it, now please forget the address and even name of Nokia" | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically you can buy things from such rogue manufacturer only with a 10 year leasing contract | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even then... :-S | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean my investment into sw to run on that and *only* on that device/platform could easily be multiple of the original device value | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to mention my investment into spare time I spend to tweak the thing to match my needs | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I must be god's favourite idiot to develop for such platform and plan to *sell* my stuff | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are the platform is obsolete before my development ready for rollout | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | faenil: there? | 23:11 |
| faenil | javispedro, yup | 23:14 |
| faenil | javispedro, sup? | 23:14 |
| faenil | :) | 23:14 |
| javispedro | (pm) | 23:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: ping | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know of any good libraries for *nix that provide things like file opening, porcess spawning, etc. | 23:30 |
| faenil | fork? :D | 23:31 |
| javispedro | libc? =) | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | x_x | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the c library functions have less than ideal interfaces and result in a massive heap of boilerplate code | 23:33 |
| javispedro | well, there's glib on the device, but some say it actually adds more boilerplate | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't matter for this, but the standard c functions are entirely insufficient for anything serious, and posix functions are unportable | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, something like glib, but glib appears to be actually rather lacking in the file i/o department | 23:34 |
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| javispedro | because there's gio for that | 23:34 |
| javispedro | albeit gio is hardly lightweight | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | omg | 23:35 |
| javispedro | hello DocScrutinizer | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi :-D | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could hardly think of any lib facilitating fopen() | 23:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, gio looks pretty heavy and undesirable for simple console apps | 23:37 |
| javispedro | well I can concur that ansi c is lacking in some aspects, such as e.g. spawning a process and reading its standard output | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, yes. If you don't want some simple stuff like system(9 then yep, you need some extra lines | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | system() even | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, for example, reading a file | 23:42 |
| javispedro | there's certainly a helper for that in glib (that="reading entire file into mem") | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't want to have to open() the file, spin on eintr, fstat() it, read() it, spinning on eintr and incomplete reads, ... | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, glib does handle that particular case | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't handle the other cases | 23:43 |
| javispedro | (also QtCore ;P) | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for example in inpkgsign i need to open a file for writing without truncation, and incrementally write stuff to it | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and be able to easily detect when things go wrong without a stupid amount of code | 23:44 |
| javispedro | (on glibc you can avoid EINTR altogether with some signal.h trickery; dunno about win32) | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, windows doesn't have anything like eintr so it's not a problem | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you mean sa_restart, that's not very pretty | 23:46 |
| rzr | khertan_, hi can you help on http://bugs.pyside.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000 ? | 23:54 |
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