| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe beta3 | 00:00 |
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| jonni | messerting: and are you using usbnet or wifi? | 00:00 |
| messerting | jonni: wifi | 00:00 |
| messerting | maybe I need to reboot my phone | 00:00 |
| jonni | and what ip does connectivity app says, and is your desktop in same c-mask? | 00:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is there a kernel headers package available for PR1.2's kernel, or is that part of the unreleased SDk too | 00:00 |
| messerting | both in 192.168.1.* | 00:00 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: you can just open scratchbox and untar kernelsources and say "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" and it generates headers package for your | 00:02 |
| * messerting restarting my "Linux" phone, f*ck aegis | 00:02 | |
| * ajalkane is on his knees, weeping gratefully for aegis, and all the upper level management who decided the policy rules | 00:04 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: yeah, i was just hoping for a faster way (and with less chance of variance from the real headers package) | 00:04 |
| messerting | :) | 00:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: get incepted | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then stop complaining about aegis, start controlling aegis | 00:05 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well dpkg-buildpackage does 1:1 copy compared to real headers package | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: heh, true | 00:05 |
| teleshoes | inception > no-aegis > aegis | 00:06 |
| messerting | there is no spoon | 00:06 |
| jesuschrist | i agree, aegis isnt totally evil | 00:07 |
| teleshoes | aegis is awful because it actually stops users from doing things they want to do | 00:08 |
| teleshoes | it would be easy for it not to be awful | 00:08 |
| teleshoes | but there it is | 00:08 |
| messerting | dmesg now says: omap_device: smartreflex.1: new worst case deactivate latency 0: 30517 | 00:08 |
| jesuschrist | aegis is awful because it cant be deactivated, thats it. | 00:09 |
| messerting | aegis would be great, if I, the user, was given control, not somebody else | 00:09 |
| teleshoes | yea, we're all saying the same thing | 00:09 |
| ajalkane | aegis is power. In the hands of people, it can be good. But in the hands of corporations... it takes only some upper level management, and it's a shit-cake upon user. | 00:09 |
| teleshoes | the nice thing about aegis | 00:09 |
| messerting | all agreed :) | 00:09 |
| teleshoes | is that nokia explicitly is supporting openmode | 00:10 |
| teleshoes | no-aegis-at-all is perfectly ok | 00:10 |
| jesuschrist | plus it reminds me of planescape: torment :D | 00:10 |
| teleshoes | its just a really cool feature we COULD have | 00:10 |
| messerting | What is this, from dmesg: Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.XXXXXX (process: camera-ui)? | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: something you can ignore | 00:10 |
| jonni | teleshoes: but there is aegis even on open mode. | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has something to do with OIL (optimized inner loops) putting down some temporary executable files | 00:10 |
| jonni | messerting: thats is just informative warning, not an bug or error. | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that aegis complains about (i'm not quite sure what the error means) | 00:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wooo, now i get to spend a few hours compiling the kernel :p | 00:11 |
| teleshoes | jonni are you trying to say that aegis is cool because we can still use it in open mode, or that aegis cant be fully circumvented at all? | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: i think he's just pointing out that enabling open mode doesn't mean aegis is gone | 00:12 |
| jesuschrist | just your warranty | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can make it gone, though things will break if you do that | 00:12 |
| teleshoes | right, i was asking if he meant that as a plus, or a detriment | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it's probably possible to replace much of the privilege management part of aegis with file capabilities | 00:13 |
| jonni | teleshoes: aegis can be disabled totally in open mode, and even on closed mode if you use exploits. But you lose some functionality on some apps, so you really shouldnt disable it, just make it a bit more permissive and you are all go. | 00:13 |
| teleshoes | you lose functionality? | 00:13 |
| teleshoes | what functionality? | 00:13 |
| teleshoes | i didnt know this | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: anything that relies on any subset of root access | 00:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or setuid/setgid behavior | 00:14 |
| jesuschrist | in fact you should just need the possibility to give true root permissions, not disabling it | 00:14 |
| messerting | I see I have no "ifconfig" installed. Is there an alternative? A package I need? | 00:14 |
| teleshoes | you mean you lose some nice security | 00:14 |
| teleshoes | add /sbin to path | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lots of things have to be adjusted to eliminate any assumption that aegis is present and will give out permissions | 00:14 |
| jesuschrist | messerting : wtf ? reflash the phone lol | 00:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: s/he's probably just entering it at the terminal | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the terminal doesn't have sbin in the path by default | 00:15 |
| teleshoes | messerting; add /sbin to your path | 00:15 |
| teleshoes | PATH=/sbin:$PATH | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw ifconfig is deprecated, use ip addr, ip link, etc. | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | granted, ifconfig is pretty nifty | 00:15 |
| jesuschrist | never! ifconfig ftw | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it gives you most of the useful in one place | 00:15 |
| teleshoes | yeaaaaaaa | 00:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:15 |
| teleshoes | i like ifconfig too much | 00:15 |
| messerting | ah, sbin, thanks :) | 00:16 |
| jonni | usually I just echo 0x25 to enabled file, and that way I still get all the aegis functionality for hashed files, but can freely run any unsigned bins. But normally I just run it as 0x67, since I dont need to run unknown origin files. | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: you mentioned on the forums that you already did up an unseal module for yourself...any reason you bothered with that since i assume you can just load your RDC? | 00:18 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well I have one CE device without RDC, (yes its not needed for my other rdc devices). | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 00:20 |
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| jesuschrist | rdc stands for ? | 00:20 |
| jonni | afaik research development certificate | 00:21 |
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| jesuschrist | i see | 00:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: it's something nokiafolks can load onto their phones that overrides most of the security checks | 00:22 |
| ajalkane | It's kinda fucked up /home/user/.config is world writable | 00:23 |
| aquarius | Just discovered an odd thing in the N9 browser. See http://www.foo.be/hotp/example.html -- a JavaScript implementation of HOTP. The test page shows the same values in every browser I have... except the N9's :( | 00:23 |
| jesuschrist | because the N9 is a portable skynet :( | 00:23 |
| messerting | But seriously, on my phone, ifconfig says 192.168.1.9, my laptop, which is 192.168.1.14 cannot reach the phone. Can anyone suggest why? | 00:25 |
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| jesuschrist | can you go on internet on the phone ? | 00:25 |
| messerting | Ahem, hm, my laptop cannot reach another server in my home network either. Problem is probably with my laptop. Maybe my router is hijacked x_x | 00:26 |
| Corsac | hmhm, it seems I can't edit *any* contact here | 00:26 |
| messerting | yes, phone is online, internet works | 00:26 |
| jesuschrist | are you in the same subnet mask | 00:26 |
| kimju | messerting, just a random though: is your home network using the same 192.168.1.* subnet? | 00:26 |
| jonni | heh, laptop using neighbors accesspoint with same 192.168.1 prefix | 00:27 |
| messerting | kimju: yep | 00:27 |
| kimju | messerting, you need to change that | 00:27 |
| kimju | (well, not really, but it is easiest that way) | 00:27 |
| jesuschrist | i would try connecting the phone via usb | 00:27 |
| kimju | of, actually, nevermind. I though that the usb had that subnet | 00:28 |
| messerting | I'm confused | 00:28 |
| kimju | ignore what I said :) | 00:28 |
| messerting | Doubled checked the access point MAC, I'm on the same, not neighbors :) | 00:29 |
| * messerting will reconnect laptop, brb | 00:29 | |
| jesuschrist | you have no choice but to buy a iphone then | 00:29 |
| messerting | jesuschrist: Never!! :) | 00:30 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one of my TAs saw my N9 today | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but was disappointed it wasn't a lumia | 00:31 |
| jesuschrist | TA= ? | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teaching assistant | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. a grad student who does the stuff the professor doesn't want to | 00:32 |
| messerting | oh, though it was Temporary Access (ie. sort of a GF) | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lolwat | 00:32 |
| jesuschrist | lolz | 00:32 |
| ajalkane | haha... disappointed it wasn't a Lumia? That's a major fail. | 00:33 |
| jesuschrist | i love when ppl use so much acronyms because it makes everithing so much TW and a bit of GHYX | 00:33 |
| ajalkane | I've been kind of trying to sell my Lumia at my workplace. But those assholes know too much about tech not to bait to my sales pitch. | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: well, he's a future MS intern (or recent graduate hire?) | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so he wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't :p | 00:35 |
| jesuschrist | i offer a bag of chips and 5 euros | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | jesuschrist: you could also offer salvation, come on son of god | 00:35 |
| jesuschrist | for a lumia ? im not that stupid cmon | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if i wanted a WP7, the lumia 800 and 900 are the best looking ones on the market | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and since WP7s are pretty much all the same, looks are the main factor | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though on the other hand, buying a lumia is voting with your wallet that you like that nokia is going WP7 | 00:36 |
| jesuschrist | same with android plus or less | 00:36 |
| jesuschrist | *more | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the lumia 800 was outsourced, even though normally nokia is vertically integrated | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | They are... In fact the hardware on Lumia 800 feels better than the white N9 I got. The buttons etc, and of course dedicated camera button. But it's still Windows Phone. | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ maybe the outsourcing produced a better product :p | 00:37 |
| jesuschrist | i think that the "start" button kills whatever better hardware it may have | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll publish my kernel modules package when this is finished | 00:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so people can get building kmods for inception | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | Start button? It's just tiles all the way to hell in Lumia. | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the buttons and excessive bezel at the top does seem to screw up the lumia 800's design | 00:38 |
| jesuschrist | seriosly, why nobody made a GUI for the openvpn package ? | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the n9 design concept was all about the 100% screen, no huge bezel, 16:9 form factor | 00:39 |
| Anssi138 | i thought it would but it didn't | 00:39 |
| jesuschrist | i had to make a damn script | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wp7 is not 16:9, and the lumia isn't all screen and has a huge bezel | 00:39 |
| ajalkane | Yeah, n800 is just hastily put together WP on the best Nokia design that was available. | 00:39 |
| ajalkane | I'd think they will make better fits in the future | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw i don't get why 16:9 isn't more common for phone/mobile device displays | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think 16:9 is a very good idea for PCs, but it's great for handhelds | 00:40 |
| Anssi138 | lumia is about the text richness, i don't know do i like the bells and whistles for everyday usage | 00:40 |
| ajalkane | Umm... not n800, meant Nokia 800 :) | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yet handhelds rarely use 16:9, while it's all you get with laptops/monitors now | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the zune hd was great with 16:9 too | 00:40 |
| jesuschrist | 16:10 is better :| | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: yeah, imo 16:10 is best for desktops and 4:3 is best for laptops | 00:41 |
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| ajalkane | I liked some apps in the lumia. But the whole feeling of the OS just felt cumbersome to me after harmattan. So I couldn't bear to use it much. | 00:41 |
| ajalkane | Not to mention the total lack of multitasking | 00:41 |
| jesuschrist | 4:3 is the actual pinnacle of usability | 00:41 |
| ajalkane | And hell, you don't even have a terminal in that thing. In the year of 2012 of armageddon! | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my dad has the last thinkpad that was 4:3 | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty much the last 4:3 laptop period really | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it ends up being more compact than this 16:10 thinkpad while delivering more res | 00:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as wider screen = larger laptop with the same screen diagonal | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | 4:3 matte display! | 00:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's why 13" laptops became inexpensive all of a sudden when the screens went wider and wider | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | now i need one | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because with widescreen displays 13" is no longer ultra-compact | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, think my kernel build is almost done | 00:44 |
| jesuschrist | how much you paied the lumia ajalkane | 00:44 |
| ajalkane | hmm... even with requesting CAP::chown I can't change the owner of the files in postinst. Operation not permitted. I wonder what binary I should request it to, and how? | 00:45 |
| messerting | I own both a N900 and a N9. My N900 is perfect wrt to user freedom - I am in full control. My N9 has a VERY nice physical feel, and is quicker. What I want is the two merged. | 00:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: it was probably the free disbursement for launchpad members | 00:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: well, with inception or openmode you're still in full control | 00:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | really, the only thing you'remissing out on is the app base for N900 | 00:45 |
| jesuschrist | i wish to become a launchpad member of something | 00:45 |
| ajalkane | Or do I need to change the ownership in the application itself and not in postinst script (which would be annoying) | 00:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of very cool things you can do with the N900 that you still can't with N9 | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aircrack, usb host, etc. | 00:46 |
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| messerting | itsnotabigtruck: what is inception - you have a link? | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the N900 couldn't do those things out of the box either | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you have to give it time | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception | 00:46 |
| messerting | thanks | 00:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, it's compiling modules now | 00:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thought it finished :( | 00:47 |
| jesuschrist | the best i could aim for as a sysop is a free ups :D | 00:47 |
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| jesuschrist | "hey chick wanna see my ups? 8)" | 00:47 |
| messerting | itsnotabigtruck: yep, the N900 had very frequent commutiy updates | 00:48 |
| messerting | and still has i guess | 00:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hahahaha jesuschrist | 00:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: no reason that can't be done with N9 too | 00:49 |
| jesuschrist | devs get all the nice things :( | 00:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm still kicking myself for not finding out about launchpad 6 months ago | 00:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or the n950 dev device registration 10 or so months ago | 00:49 |
| messerting | I hope to have a community version running on my N9 within a year | 00:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | feels like everybody else here benefitted from various awesome promotions, and i come in after it's all over :/ | 00:50 |
| jesuschrist | im kicking myself for not applying to the n950 dev registration since i heard they gave someone to testers too | 00:50 |
| jesuschrist | i could be a marvelous tester holy mary! | 00:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there was basically no visibility it seems unless you were keeping close track of the nokiasphere and i wasn't | 00:50 |
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| jesuschrist | this world is basically unfair | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | norly :p | 00:51 |
| ajalkane | I'm sure itsnotabigtruck getting a N950 would have been a big boost to the community, and a headache to Nokia ;) | 00:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 00:51 |
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| jesuschrist | AND jesuschrist ajalkane | 00:51 |
| jesuschrist | best tester on the planet | 00:51 |
| ajalkane | I'm not sure about that... Jesus is a kind of forgiving dude | 00:52 |
| jesuschrist | best perl bash scripter on da market too yo | 00:52 |
| jesuschrist | anyway APC sent me its bullshit magazine and im partecipating to win a ... trolley :D | 00:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 00:53 |
| ajalkane | Ah... who wouldn't want a trolley! | 00:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | somehow i'm on the list for that "magazine" too...not sure if i've read a single one of them | 00:53 |
| jesuschrist | lolz | 00:53 |
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| jesuschrist | i do also have a touchpad and in fact i think harmattan would have been so much better on a tablet, webos isnt that great | 00:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw did the N900 have gui integration for VPNs? | 00:58 |
| jesuschrist | never had one | 00:58 |
| Sazpaimon | so a friend of mine requested my services to fix her broken iphone screen | 01:00 |
| jesuschrist | not having included pptp/openvpn in 1.2 was quite bad imo | 01:00 |
| Sazpaimon | immediately the memories of trying to replace my N900 digitizer comes to mind | 01:00 |
| Sazpaimon | turns out that you can get replacement iphone digitizers for like, $5 anywhere | 01:00 |
| Sazpaimon | and iphones are held together by a bunch of small phillips heads | 01:01 |
| Sazpaimon | seriously? | 01:01 |
| jesuschrist | hmmm so? | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/sony-xperia-s-review/ < that xperia looks awesome | 01:01 |
| Sazpaimon | and to get a replacement part for any nokia phone, you have to pretty much get one from a chinese factory directly | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's too large though (4.3" screen = gigantic) | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what happened to the compact phone | 01:01 |
| jesuschrist | dont like the desing and honestly i dislike android | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | imo the N9 is right on the upper bound of how large a phone should be, and these days every android phone worth buying is even larger | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | I like that home row on that device | 01:02 |
| Sazpaimon | everything else not so much | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "home row", like on a keyboard? | 01:03 |
| jesuschrist | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/03/adzero-bamboo-smartphone-prototypes-hands-on/ | 01:03 |
| jesuschrist | thats cool | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, still no QA approvals on ad-hac | 01:04 |
| ninnnu | itsnotabigtruck: Unfortunately it's Sony. I don't trust Sony enough so that I'd assume they let me make phone calls and install apps tomorrow, too. | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not that it matters if they're going to tear apps for meego down in a couple weeks | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ninnnu: heh | 01:04 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, no the home button row | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sony has a track record of pretty solid products, but yeah, all the ps3 related drama and their media divisions have kinda tainted them | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also they've never had a very good track record for support | 01:05 |
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| jesuschrist | by ps3 related drama you mean the multipe hacking on their servers ? | 01:05 |
| ninnnu | jesuschrist: The removal of Other OS | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: and trying to sue ps3 hackers, and ^, and so on | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | generally everything that happened related to the ps3 in the last 2 years | 01:06 |
| Sazpaimon | [18:05] <itsnotabigtruck> sony has a track record of pretty solid products, but yeah, all the ps3 related drama and their media divisions have kinda tainted them | 01:06 |
| Sazpaimon | despite them being seperate companies | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, it's all sony | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sony's CEO is in charge of all of them, and sony's shareholders own all of them | 01:07 |
| Sazpaimon | theyre still considered seperate companies I believe | 01:07 |
| beford | but they have been allowing people to unlock bootleaders, right? | 01:07 |
| messerting | Well, and the rootkit scandal | 01:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Music_Entertainment | 01:08 |
| ninnnu | beford: Do you think they allow people to unlock bootloaders tomorrow, when someone has figured out how to workaround DRM-stuff illegally? :) | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SME < SCA < Sony Corporation | 01:08 |
| messerting | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_Entertainment SPE < Sony Corporation | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're all subsidiaries, they all trace up to sony management | 01:09 |
| ninnnu | And apparently Sony management hates customers | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, they aren't *that* bad - re the ps3 stuff, they didn't act much differently than any other company heavily invested in console games would and does act | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's really no way to completely avoid that sort of stuff | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yikes, this build is taking forever | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just realized it's doing multiple variations of the kernel | 01:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | some combination of normal, debug, ltt, crash | 01:14 |
| messerting | Nokia, Elop, WP, Harmattan | 01:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: hm? :p | 01:15 |
| Sazpaimon | [18:12] <itsnotabigtruck> that said, they aren't *that* bad - re the ps3 stuff, they didn't act much differently than any other company heavily invested in console games would and does act | 01:16 |
| Sazpaimon | microsoft doesnt sue people who modify their consoles | 01:16 |
| Sazpaimon | neither does nintendo | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: true, maybe they realized that doing so is a pr disaster | 01:17 |
| Sazpaimon | both companies just try to compete with the people exploiting the console | 01:17 |
| Sazpaimon | by quickly chruning out updates, and banning people that modify the console to access their special services | 01:18 |
| Sazpaimon | and coming out with new services that you can only use with an unmodified console | 01:19 |
| Sazpaimon | you know, stuff that makes the company seem like they actually care about the customer experience | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, i don't have to do anything special to make the kernel package build for rm-696, right? | 01:19 |
| Sazpaimon | modify an xbox? Okay, sure, go ahead, but you can't go online with it | 01:20 |
| Sazpaimon | if you cant go online, you cant play any multiplayer games, cant go on netflix, cant use fios tv if you have fios | 01:20 |
| Sazpaimon | you dont get the convenience of the xbox marketplace | 01:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | basically they do it by making an unmodified console seem more appealing than a modified one | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | which is, imo, the right way to do it | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | phone manufacturers should take note | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | because they do just the opposite | 01:22 |
| Sazpaimon | load up their devices with bloat and make a modified, clean version look more appealing | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon | but I guess that have less incentive | 01:23 |
| Sazpaimon | they dont get any money from app sales | 01:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, phone manufacturers have a talent for obliterating OSes they put on their phones | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason that doesn't seem to apply so much to vertically integrated oses/phones (iphone, n9) | 01:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe they take pride in their os so they don't screw it up with nonsense absolutely no one wants | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and ms fixed it by delivering an ultimatum to phone mfgrs | 01:26 |
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| * messerting Listening to Inception. Scary music :) | 01:26 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | messerting: awesome music | 01:29 |
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| messerting | :) | 01:29 |
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| jesuschrist | good night ppl | 01:33 |
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| yondie | hello | 05:24 |
| yondie | i need help a little bit on my N9 PR 1.2 | 05:24 |
| yondie | it seems that every picture i took with the official camera application | 05:25 |
| yondie | it will not save | 05:25 |
| yondie | anyone got the same problem? | 05:25 |
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| ghjgfjghjbn | RST38h you around? | 05:54 |
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| diorahman | Hello! Since the https://projects.developer.nokia.com/notificationsapi/wiki/test I need help to download the debian file for changing mode of notification API | 06:26 |
| diorahman | please help me | 06:26 |
| diorahman | Since the https://projects.developer.nokia.com/notificationsapi/wiki/test is down | 06:26 |
| diorahman | I need your help for downloading necessary files for setting the notification api dev | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: oh hey | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | think i d/ld that a while back | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hold on | 06:27 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: thanks! | 06:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wl4.peer360.com/b/wrmdWMluDmda8usN9U26/mle.asp?hl=121193944&r=JGBFECC&CID=170240 - for qtquick people that like the silly cameraphone idea | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: http://minus.com/mAWo3jtk4# | 06:29 |
| diorahman | SpeedEvil: yeah, an example of submission: http://library.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Dropian_-_QML_Dropbox_Client | 06:29 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: thanks a bunch! | 06:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: also make sure to get incepted | 06:30 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: OK | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, just "ok"? :p | 06:32 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | any former android users present? | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nein | 06:34 |
| Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, we're not having this conversation again | 06:35 |
| Sazpaimon | :P | 06:35 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: I didn't follow, pardon me | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw i'm starting to work on a utility to control aegis settings via inception | 06:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (using the unseal kernel module) | 06:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception | 06:37 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: awesome! right away after this! | 06:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: I don't really disagree with your points. But I don't think you can deny it's a silly product. Dead-end one-off phone, with massive gimmick. | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: well, they say they're going to adapt the tech into future lumias | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so presumably there'll be a lumia 9001 pureview | 06:39 |
| Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, the tech is far from one-off | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has over nine thousand jiggapixels! | 06:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The phone is one-off - Symbina is going away | 06:39 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah in 5 years | 06:39 |
| Sazpaimon | symbian ia already a liability to nokia yet the continue to develop it | 06:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 06:40 |
| Sazpaimon | and theyve continually comitted to the "2016" EOL date | 06:41 |
| Sazpaimon | dont know why i quoted that | 06:42 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean | 06:42 |
| Sazpaimon | can you say that in 2016 android will still be around? | 06:43 |
| psycho_oreos | or even microsoft making huge losses on their mango or whatever windows mobile platform? | 06:43 |
| Sazpaimon | microsoft can afford to make huge losses | 06:45 |
| Sazpaimon | remember the original xbox? | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | that was sold at a loss for pretty much its entire life | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | even when it sold well | 06:46 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know if the 360 is the same | 06:47 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe with stuff like kinect they break even | 06:47 |
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| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: I'm sorry, the deb seems invalid | 07:07 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: is that because I have 1.2 already? | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: the notifications one, or inception | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the former, i never actually tried it | 07:10 |
| diorahman | the notification, sorry | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean by invalid | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what happens if you try installing it with dpkg -i | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it fails post the errors on a pastebin | 07:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible it has pr1.1-only dependencies or something like that, but that would be surprising imo | 07:11 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: it's installed but I couldn't find the executable | 07:14 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: https://gist.github.com/2010256 | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: it installs to /usr/bin/notificationsenvironmentselector | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it didn't fail...that locale stuff happens for anybody with a non-english locale | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, wait, it did fail | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" | 07:16 |
| psycho_oreos | sure, microsoft can afford to make huge losses, this is why for every little screwups they make they have other products to cover that loss. This is probably also the reason why they're losing to Apple | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure to run dpkg from devel-su | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i only looked at the line at the end, but forgot that aegis will keep going even if dpkg bombs out | 07:16 |
| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: ok devel-su :-) | 07:16 |
| psycho_oreos | glad nokia joined hands with microsoft, together they can be easily forgiven as the much belated movie `dumb and dumber' | 07:18 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | okay so im gonna buy a white n9, is there a general consensus on made in finland or china? | 07:18 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | or no difference | 07:19 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a channel for n9 discussion, its called #n9 | 07:19 |
| ghjgfjghjbn | ty | 07:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: did you get it working? | 07:42 |
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| diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: yeah! sorry! that was my fault! THANKS! | 07:46 |
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| Corsac | hmhm ok so I guess I know why I can't edit any contacts: | 10:30 |
| Corsac | Mar 10 09:30:08 (2012) tracker-store[1369]: GLIB MESSAGE Tracker - ---> [107|contacts|2804] Failed, database disk image is malformed | 10:30 |
| Corsac | maybe restoring pr1.1 backup image to pr1.2 was the issue, though I didn't really have a choice | 10:32 |
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| Corsac | Mar 10 09:48:04 (2012) tracker-miner-fs[1419]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Tracker - Could not execute sparql: database disk image is malformed | 10:48 |
| Corsac | gmbl. | 10:48 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, good morning | 10:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, what would you like to see in the logs of IRC Chatter? same things as the chat window? | 10:51 |
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| AndrewX192 | What exactly does develsh do? | 11:32 |
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| djszapi | AndrewX192: it opens a shell with extra credentials. | 11:41 |
| AndrewX192 | ugh, N9 isn't executing /etc/network/if-up.d/*** on connection | 11:41 |
| AndrewX192 | script is chmod +x though | 11:41 |
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| Venemo_N950 | what was the command with which I can upgrade to the latest PR 1.2 packages on my N950? | 12:34 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: reboot -u ? | 12:46 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: log should do all the stuff... | 12:46 |
| djszapi | and browsable inside the client... | 12:46 |
| djszapi | separately, and non-separately too... | 12:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, yeah, that's obvious | 12:46 |
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| Corsac | any idea what can I do to repair a tracker database? | 13:03 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I use N9Quick tweak to add to/from tracker | 13:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | maybe that can help? | 13:05 |
| Corsac | will check, thanks | 13:06 |
| Corsac | is it in ovi store? | 13:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | No, look at TMO or N9-apps :) | 13:09 |
| Corsac | didn't know about n9-apps | 13:18 |
| Corsac | yet another community repo? | 13:18 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: I was wondering when my application appeared there, and got comments without me even knowing... | 13:20 |
| djszapi | I think it is quite nasty from that site providers. | 13:20 |
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| djszapi | since it ruins the image about me not replying; and that is not because I did not want to, but never been informed there is this site. | 13:20 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | corsac: N9-apps.com | 13:26 |
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| Corsac | yeah, I know how to google :) | 13:35 |
| Corsac | MFaro-Tusino: mhm there's nothing about tracker there afaict | 13:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | One sec, | 13:38 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it is adding/remove folders in tracker | 13:38 |
| Corsac | hmhm I'm not sure it'll fit | 13:41 |
| Corsac | well, I'm not sure it'll do anything about a messed up tracker db | 13:42 |
| Corsac | :/ | 13:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | can't you just delete the db and reboot? | 13:48 |
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| jonni | you can just say: "tracker-control --hard-reset" which removes all databases or use --help-all to see all options | 14:04 |
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| Corsac | yeah but I need my smses :/ | 14:23 |
| Corsac | I can export/import my contacts, but that's not possible with smses | 14:23 |
| jonni | I saw a commandline tool in forums which allowed to copy/restore of smses | 14:24 |
| jonni | dont remember the link though, it was about week ago announced | 14:24 |
| Corsac | in tmo? | 14:24 |
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| Corsac | if you remember the thread I'd be interested, a quick search doesn't return anything interesting at first sight | 14:31 |
| Corsac | (on tmo) | 14:31 |
| Corsac | there's http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5725 but you can only *store*, not restore | 14:32 |
| jonni | and I though that sync would mean 2 way sync, but I didnt test what it actually does | 14:35 |
| jonni | s/and/ah/ | 14:35 |
| infobot | jonni meant: ah I though that sync would mean 2 way sync, but I didnt test what it actually does | 14:35 |
| Corsac | you can do some one-way syncs | 14:35 |
| jonni | one way sync is just synonym to copy | 14:35 |
| Corsac | yes | 14:35 |
| Corsac | I do have my contacts sync'ed to evolution on my laptop | 14:36 |
| Corsac | if I lose my contacts on N9, I can do a one-way sync from laptop to n9 and have them back | 14:36 |
| Corsac | but I can't do that with smses | 14:36 |
| kozzi | I use Backup function on N9 to backup everything, and when I want to restore ie. only messages, | 14:42 |
| kozzi | I just have to delete everything else in the Backup folder | 14:43 |
| jonni | well I've seen multiple ways to backup smses, let me see if I can dig my mailbox | 14:43 |
| jonni | Corsac: there are tools like transfering n900 commhistory to n9, that can easily be modified to do n9 to n9 backup restore https://gitorious.org/n900-comhist-import | 14:44 |
| * djszapi would need N9 to HTC Desire stuff | 14:46 | |
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| Corsac | jonni: yeah, but I'm not sure I have the c++ skills needed for that :) | 14:55 |
| Corsac | nor do I have a scratchbox setup here | 14:55 |
| djszapi | Corsac: you can use qtcreator | 14:56 |
| Corsac | how will that help? | 15:00 |
| Corsac | (I have no idea what qtcreator is) | 15:00 |
| djszapi | really ? :) | 15:00 |
| Corsac | really | 15:01 |
| djszapi | wow | 15:03 |
| Corsac | I'm not a developer, and certainly not a Qt one :) | 15:03 |
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| Corsac | it's *really* painful that they decided to store actual data to the tracker, since that means corrupted database means data gone | 15:06 |
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| jonni | Corsac: well if you know what your doing, one can always fix the database files. And you can also make backups of messages using dbus-send from commanline (yet again not for newbies). | 15:23 |
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| Corsac | jonni: problem is that I have no idea how to fix the database | 15:27 |
| Corsac | jonni: the sqlite file seems ok, but I think the schema is wrong | 15:27 |
| Corsac | (I mean, it might be the 1.1 schema or something, since it was restored from a pr1.1 backup) | 15:27 |
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| Corsac | I tried to backup/restore using the backup app on pr1.2 but it doesn't work | 15:27 |
| Corsac | I tried to do tracker-control -b foo.db and then tracker-control -o foo.db | 15:28 |
| Corsac | but no chance either | 15:28 |
| jonni | well yes its quite likely that backup restore is not working between PR releases, thats why I never do restore if PR release does not match | 15:29 |
| Corsac | I didn't have a choice | 15:29 |
| Corsac | I sent my n9 for repair at PR1.1 and did a backup just before | 15:30 |
| Corsac | when I got it back it was on PR1.2 | 15:30 |
| jonni | I usually just type all the settings by hand from the beginning | 15:30 |
| Corsac | I don't really care about settings | 15:30 |
| Corsac | the only thing I really care about is sms, I think | 15:30 |
| Corsac | since I can do manual backup of contacts and of the filesystem | 15:30 |
| jonni | well yep then your out of luck, or you need to do some fancy coding to get data out of sqlite db and make new importer with c++ or with some fancy script | 15:32 |
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| Corsac | hmh, or maybe look at the tracker postinst scripts | 15:36 |
| Corsac | maybe there's a migration path or something | 15:36 |
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| Arkenoi | it looks like harmattan has zillion ways and reasons to enter "battery drain mode" :-/ fremantle was more predictable | 15:39 |
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| divan0 | Does anyone know how to convert QVariant into array/list in QML (JS)? Or how to pass list from PySide to QML without wrapping it to QVariant? | 15:54 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 16:28 |
| faenil | hey :) | 16:29 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: hey... | 16:30 |
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| faenil | guys is it possible to handle a project with more than one pro in the same dir? | 16:42 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: input history would be nice ... | 16:42 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: android irc clients I have just tried seem to support that feature. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | and it is quite nice imo. | 16:43 |
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| faenil | djszapi, useful indeed | 16:43 |
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| diorahman | Venemo_N950: hey | 17:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey diorahman | 17:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, what is input history? | 17:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | faenil, yes | 17:07 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: type history on your pc | 17:07 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, irc chatter remembers your sent messages right now | 17:08 |
| djszapi | how can I browse them ? | 17:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | with the up/down arrows, like any other irc client | 17:08 |
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| djszapi | then it is just buggy | 17:08 |
| djszapi | it does not work for me. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | especially since there is no "up/arrow" buttons on the VKBD. | 17:09 |
| jonni | there is if you have right mode | 17:09 |
| djszapi | jonni: so how can I get the "right mode" in irc chatter ? | 17:09 |
| djszapi | without any hackery ? | 17:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you are using the wrong vkb | 17:10 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 17:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | the swype vkb has the up/down arrows. | 17:10 |
| jonni | personally I use irssi, so have no idea about chatter | 17:10 |
| djszapi | which is not the default. | 17:10 |
| djszapi | andI do not planto switch it either. | 17:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | it also works with the hwkb on my n950 | 17:10 |
| djszapi | weareall happy for that, but the most people have n9 :) | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you're gonna get rid of your N9 anyway, so why do you care? | 17:11 |
| djszapi | wrong | 17:11 |
| Aard | Venemo_N950: it has | 17:11 |
| djszapi | and it is not about "me" | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | if you have a suggestion about a possible ui for this feature, I'm listening. | 17:12 |
| djszapi | it is about the usability of your software | 17:12 |
| djszapi | anyway, I shut up, if you dislike the feedback... | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | as I said. | 17:13 |
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| Venemo_N950 | if you have a suggestion about a possible ui for this feature, I'm listening. | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | I always like feedback. | 17:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yo | 17:14 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: it isreally not that hard | 17:15 |
| djszapi | option in the settings, if you do not always wanna show an up/down next to the stuff. | 17:15 |
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| djszapi | not sure about the vkbd changing optionally..needs testing. | 17:18 |
| djszapi | but surely, I would not like to make extra effort to get that feature. | 17:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, so you suggest 2 buttons near the text field? | 17:19 |
| djszapi | nop | 17:19 |
| djszapi | I suggest to experiment with ideas like aforementioned. | 17:20 |
| djszapi | check out how android solved it, etc. | 17:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | i don't have an android phone | 17:21 |
| djszapi | google /screenshots is your friend. | 17:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | but I'll think of something nice :) | 17:21 |
| djszapi | nah...really... | 17:22 |
| djszapi | take a look at how others solved it with a lot of people as userbase | 17:22 |
| djszapi | it is worth it... | 17:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok | 17:22 |
| djszapi | you can avoid many useless iterations that way. | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.kanyezone.com/ | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in any case, yeh, ^ v buttons might make sense over by the complete button | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know what the android clients look like though | 17:23 |
| djszapiN9 | also, they solved the port settings apparently as I suggested previoysly | 17:27 |
| djszapiN9 | it is not mandator to the user... | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: which client are you thinking of? | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's your favorite android irc client | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's tons of them :p | 17:28 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: google first result ? | 17:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: 'android irc' produces 3 results on the 1st page | 17:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | varying the search could rearrange them all sorts of ways | 17:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just say what you're talking about :| | 17:35 |
| djszapi | seriously | 17:35 |
| djszapi | 1) go to google 2) Type android irc 3) click on the link 4) done | 17:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: also, google result ordering can change dependent on who's doing the search | 17:38 |
| djszapi | just follow the instructions really :) | 17:39 |
| djszapi | not that hard. | 17:39 |
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| djszapi | all of them support sasl too, but irc-chatter :/ | 17:41 |
| djszapi | well, not a bad change to android :) | 17:41 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: sasl as in sending password along with server address? | 17:50 |
| djszapi | also, gnupg would be nice for end-to-end encryption | 17:53 |
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| pa | do you know what is the exact wallpaper size on the N9? | 18:08 |
| djszapi | isn't it the full screensize ? | 18:08 |
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| pa | no, it+s smaller | 18:10 |
| pa | and also in width | 18:10 |
| djszapi | ahh you mean the unlocked background | 18:11 |
| pa | i mean the locked screen background | 18:11 |
| pa | (on which the clock is shown9 | 18:11 |
| djszapi | looks full screen to me | 18:12 |
| djszapi | also, you can grab it, and check with an image viewer. | 18:12 |
| pa | ah right, thanks | 18:23 |
| pa | also, any idea how to play a video over http from the browser without having to copy the link and paste in console? | 18:23 |
| pa | and is there any way to install the video-suite from 1.1 on 1.2? | 18:26 |
| pa | just to get rid of that annoying "you cant play such video on this device" | 18:26 |
| djszapi | the API should be backward compatible in theory. | 18:26 |
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| danielcbit | Hi Everybody. Does some one know if it is possible to have aegis request context="INSTALL" running commands allowed only for user and system commands simultaneously? | 18:40 |
| djszapi | Could you please rephrase this question ? | 18:40 |
| djszapi | install context is for the running maintainer scripts, whatever they run. | 18:41 |
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| danielcbit | I have a series of maintainer scrips. Some remove config files from user .config and other start a deamon of my app using initctl. | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you guys consider the best way to spawn processes in a lightweight c program | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (on linux( | 18:44 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: and what is the question ? | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i think he wants to have some stuff run as root and some stuff run as user | 18:44 |
| * djszapi is lost | 18:45 | |
| danielcbit | djszapi: after I added the credential requests for making the daemon start, the user files stopped being removed | 18:45 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: please show the maintainer script | 18:45 |
| danielcbit | djszapi: like the first set of requests for user credentials where lost | 18:46 |
| djszapi | I would like to answer for you in private, ok ? | 18:46 |
| danielcbit | djszapi: sure | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know about the process spawning thing? options seem to be a) fork/exec/waitpid/etc. - complicated, b) glib - a lot of dependency for one thing, c) posix_spawn/waitpid/etc. - also complicated | 18:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | d) qt - waaaaaay too much dependency for one thing | 18:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: got it figured out? | 19:01 |
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| danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: djszapi is helping me. I'm trying to explain my problem | 19:03 |
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| djszapi | okay, so it is not a security vulnerability as I expected | 19:21 |
| djszapi | the problem is that, danielcbit tries to remove user files with the maintainer script, but he also wanna deal with upstart jobs. | 19:22 |
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| djszapi | so my proposal is a user removal script running as root since the /home/user folder is not writable with group id. | 19:22 |
| * npm watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH5bJSG0DZk&feature=g-all-lsb&context=G2849ff4FAAAAAAAAAAA "enchant me" used in context of android UI :-) | 19:22 | |
| djszapi | though, I wonder requesting only uid does not work... | 19:23 |
| djszapi | danielcbit: if you just request uid::user without the groups... | 19:23 |
| djszapi | youwould be able to remove stuff | 19:23 |
| djszapi | and /etc/init/ is executable by the root group | 19:24 |
| djszapi | actually by everybody here. | 19:24 |
| djszapi | anyway, if requesting only uid::user for the maintainer script does not work, put the removal into a separate script, and run it as user | 19:24 |
| djszapi | you could tentatively hack around the initctl stuff too, from maintainer script run as user, but that is nastier imo. | 19:25 |
| djszapi | since the maintainer script is normally run as root everywhere. | 19:25 |
| djszapi | so just switch to user with a dedicated script, where otherwise needed, if you use commands needed to be run as root from the maintainer script. | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, so have a 2nd script that asserts UID::user | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's probably a better idea than the evil hack i was thinking of | 19:26 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: about your thingie....qt is a core part of the harmattan platform.... | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yeah, but it's too much library for a little c utility | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so is glib and lots of other things | 19:28 |
| djszapi | on a harmattan platform ? | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *so is, as in, glib is also a core part | 19:28 |
| djszapi | hell, no :) | 19:28 |
| djszapi | since it is the core part of the platform | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | glib seems like the best idea right now | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm thinking there might be a lighter way | 19:28 |
| djszapi | you can make your life hard if you have time for doing so :p | 19:29 |
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| Aranel | I've created & translated .ts files for my app as described ( http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Localising_applications.html ), but how am I going to use that generated .qrc file with python/pyside? | 21:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good evening | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey Venemo_N950 | 22:19 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hi itsnotabigtruck | 22:26 |
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| Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, still not incepted :( | 22:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: lol | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you having trouble with it? or just pre-empting me bugging you about it :p | 22:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | I have trouble with managing my time. so the honest answer is the latter :P | 22:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 22:35 |
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| Arkenoi | wow | 22:55 |
| Arkenoi | sucking autocapitalization defeated | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:56 |
| Arkenoi | good news for all non-latin layout users | 22:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | Arkenoi, you found text input settings? | 22:56 |
| Arkenoi | one guy sent me email with magic gconf string | 22:56 |
| Arkenoi | gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/inputmethods/hwkeyboard/autocapsdisabledlayouts "(your layout names here)" | 22:57 |
| djszapi | Arkenoi: you contribute back to put such things onto a wikipage, right ? | 22:58 |
| Arkenoi | ok | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | testers for open!mode kernel 1.2 needed - please no 'new' applications ;-) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | please /query me | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I dunno if we already got a wiki page like http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo for Customizing_Harmattan, but anyway your hack above should go there :-) | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, the man page for hexdump is /terrible/ | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently i'm not the only one that finds it so, looking at google | 23:05 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: there are more trolls ? :p | 23:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | openmode1.2 testers, anybody? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I know it's Saturday, in Europe even evening) | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi Venemo_N950 SpeedEvil ^ | 23:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm? | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: interested in testing doc's kernel? | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | sorry, nope. I'm not very much into platform hacks nowadays | 23:27 |
| djszapi | hahaha :D | 23:28 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: getting older ? :p | 23:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, getting less free time | 23:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | + you guys all know my opinion on things like this. | 23:29 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: do not take it this hard, I was just joking :) | 23:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) okay | 23:30 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: but what opinion, anyway ? | 23:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | I think all the effort on hacking Harmattan would be better spent on developing a fully open alternative like Nemo or PA or whatever | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | I used to say this even in the Fremantle times, but noone listened to me. | 23:33 |
| djszapi | well, I would have disagreed in fremantle times. | 23:33 |
| djszapi | but I pretty much agree about it | 23:34 |
| djszapi | except... nemo... | 23:34 |
| djszapi | which is even worse than ever. | 23:34 |
| djszapi | but yes, mer or PA are certainly more open. | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | what do you have against Nemo? | 23:34 |
| djszapi | it is worse than one year ago... | 23:34 |
| djszapi | and I was not happy about it one year ago either... | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | worse in what sense? | 23:35 |
| djszapi | every little. | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N950 | okay | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, I don't feel like arguing :) | 23:36 |
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| blueslee | this is an interesting discussion, it will not be easy to pull the mass of users away from the status quo on the n9 as they seem to be happy with the n9 | 23:39 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: have you actually tried it out nowadays and 1-2 years ago ? | 23:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | yes I have | 23:39 |
| djszapi | because this is pretty much said not just by me, but also by close people to that project. | 23:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, having a fully open solution is a lot better in the long run than having a semi-hacked half-closed unportable thing. | 23:39 |
| djszapi | disagree | 23:40 |
| djszapi | I do not mind having a working less open solution than a useless open. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: the kernel already *is* fully open | 23:40 |
| djszapi | seeing what nemo achieved in the last 1-2 years, I am a bit worried :/ | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | as far as it gets, anyway | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, and a working + open solution | 23:41 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, I'm not talking about the kernel now | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: well, you obviously have to start with an open kernel, to base an "open system" on it | 23:42 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: what do you mean ? | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, I'm curious. last time we talked, you said open mode rendered most Harmattan apps useless. is that still the case? | 23:43 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, What do I mean by what? | 23:43 |
| blueslee | speaking as an end user i am only unhappy with the introduced restrictions on the n9 and maybe the fragmentation related to repositories/store ... on the n900 it was perfect, there was no need for an alternative os | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: or how's your suggested approach to 'open $dialer" or whatever, when the kernel+paegis forbids running such stuff on your device? | 23:43 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: last post with me highlighted. | 23:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, I would prefer a fully open system | 23:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyway, I'm awfully tired and sleepy. | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | it was nice talking to you guys! :) | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | have a nice evening | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: it's most probably a misconception that I might have said "all apps rendered useless". Actually Nokia always claimed not any app gets rendered broken by openmode. Under close inspection, it seems some concepts are massively impacted though, e.g. accounts management, lockcode | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhhmm | 23:46 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: this early without hacking ? :) | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi :P | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | so goodbye :) | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably can 'fix' accounts for the better part of them, not so for lockcode AIUI | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, thanks for explaining | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 23:47 |
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