| faenil | admiral0: where you from, in Italy? | 00:01 |
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| admiral0 | Milano | 00:02 |
| faenil | my gf's from Piario :) | 00:02 |
| admiral0 | near there anyways | 00:02 |
| faenil | yup | 00:02 |
| ieatlint | apparently your coast guard has balls | 00:03 |
| faenil | lol | 00:03 |
| ieatlint | hilarious to see those transcripts, etc :P | 00:03 |
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| admiral0 | yes, but he keeps them out of reach when on board | 00:03 |
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| faenil | ouch | 00:04 |
| faenil | left :D | 00:04 |
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| admiral0 | i feel i could be a better captain than him | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | pretty sure anyone could | 00:04 |
| admiral0 | even if i can't drive(?) a ship | 00:04 |
| admiral0 | even if i know little about naval rules | 00:04 |
| admiral0 | even if i can't swim | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | the story just keeps getting weirder... they're now saying nearly an hour after it happened, he ordered dinner from the ship's kitchen | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | it's kept me entertained at work this week | 00:05 |
| admiral0 | the funniest parts are the calls | 00:05 |
| admiral0 | "get your ass on the ship!" | 00:06 |
| djszapi | how could I fill in a repeater model with the letter of a string if the string is generated randomly for each button click for instance ? | 00:06 |
| djszapi | letters* | 00:06 |
| faenil | :O | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | he didn't mean to evacuate, he tripped and fell into a life boat | 00:06 |
| * ieatlint will use that excuse | 00:07 | |
| admiral0 | nah, he accidentally a nokia 3310 | 00:07 |
| admiral0 | is that bad btw? | 00:07 |
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| wirwe | ahhh … guys! is there a kind of trashfolder for files that are deleted using `rm` on the n9? | 00:17 |
| djszapi | yeah | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | what? there's a trash folder for rm? | 00:18 |
| admiral0 | yes | 00:18 |
| djszapi | of course | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | weird | 00:18 |
| admiral0 | look in /dev/null | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | heh, yeah | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | or /dev/random (as using rm on a file is basically game over for the unfortunate file) | 00:19 |
| djszapi | wirwe: all I saw was a filemanager deletion. | 00:19 |
| admiral0 | to reverse rm -rf /. -r stands for reverse, -f stands for folder | 00:19 |
| djszapi | and trash folder for that inside the user directory | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | admiral0: that's not nice | 00:20 |
| admiral0 | trolololo | 00:20 |
| coffetime | you can make alias on rm | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | -r = recursive -f = override all warnings / = filesystem root folder | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | coffetime: good point | 00:21 |
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| coffetime | I have it on my desktop | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | heh, so yeah, pretty much assume anything you delete with rm is permanently gone | 00:22 |
| coffetime | and it moves file to temp | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | there are exceptions... especially if it was in MyDocs, but it's never a guarantee, and walking someone through it is painful | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | coffetime: that's dangerous | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | not the moving things to temp, but the alias of rm | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | if you change its behaviour, you create the risk of a false sense of security | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | suddenly your user profile gets overwritten or something, and files ou thought were safe until reboot are actually gone | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | better off using a new name | 00:24 |
| wirwe | admiral0: /dev/null and /dev/random are no folders. how can i undelete my files? | 00:25 |
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| djszapi | wirwe: only if you have backups, like the editors tend to do on host laptops. | 00:26 |
| coffetime | iealint: I'm still using it as rm, I don't rely on it | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | wirwe: he was being sarcastic. they're gone | 00:26 |
| admiral0 | wirwe: there is no way. rm is single way | 00:26 |
| coffetime | I've actually never used it yet | 00:26 |
| admiral0 | rm removes and you cannot recover | 00:26 |
| djszapi | yes, you can | 00:27 |
| djszapi | but that requires a bit more investigation | 00:27 |
| djszapi | with specialized companies for the task. | 00:27 |
| wirwe | haha. not funny. okay, so i need my .desktop-files back. is there a website, where i can download .desktop-files of some standard-programs? | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | coffetime: fair enough, i just generally caution people about changing default behaviours of core utils :) | 00:27 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: i know, ddrescue, photorec and such | 00:27 |
| djszapi | wirwe: what did you exactly delete ? | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | haha, deleted all the .desktop files? | 00:28 |
| admiral0 | that is nasty | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i would ask someone to tar up their .desktop files, and then have you reinstall any non-standard apps | 00:29 |
| wirwe | no not all.^^ i had them twice, so i deleted one. it worked perfectly until i rebooted. :-( now the second one is missed also | 00:29 |
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| admiral0 | what desktop file? | 00:30 |
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| wirwe | the desktop files for the standard-webbrowser, the standardmailprogramm and fmobi | 00:30 |
| coffetime | huh | 00:32 |
| admiral0 | wirwe: http://pastebin.com/Azm5tSJZ | 00:32 |
| admiral0 | that was the browser | 00:32 |
| wirwe | thank you :-) | 00:32 |
| admiral0 | http://pastebin.com/yLkCSjdX | 00:33 |
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| admiral0 | can't help with fmobi as i don't have it installed unless it's the default one | 00:33 |
| wirwe | thanks. that's great. does anyone else have fmobi installed and can copy&paste the .desktop-file for me? | 00:34 |
| djszapi | what is fmobi ? | 00:35 |
| wirwe | a facebook app | 00:36 |
| admiral0 | fmobi was an application for n900 afaik | 00:36 |
| faenil | qt app for facebook | 00:36 |
| faenil | qml iirc | 00:36 |
| djszapi | apparently the facebook client: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/10/fmobi-%E2%80%93-facebook-client-nokia-phones/ | 00:36 |
| djszapi | the builtin facebook client is qml based | 00:36 |
| wirwe | unfortenately the standard-facebook-app doesn not suppert groups. | 00:36 |
| faenil | now, wonder what you use on your N950s/N9s :P | 00:36 |
| djszapi | though the package is not called facebook by any mean | 00:37 |
| djszapi | fmobi* | 00:37 |
| djszapi | 2 EUR in Ovi, and I do not have the sake to download the trial. | 00:38 |
| faenil | isn't it free anymore? :O | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | you can probably just reinstall the app | 00:39 |
| ieatlint | even "apt-get install fmobi" should work with devel-su | 00:39 |
| wirwe | reinstall and paying 2€ again? :-( | 00:39 |
| djszapi | no | 00:40 |
| ieatlint | it should be tied to your nokia account | 00:40 |
| djszapi | you can redownload it from ovi again | 00:40 |
| wirwe | okay, i will try | 00:40 |
| djszapi | I think 10 times or so | 00:40 |
| ieatlint | i've not actually bought stuff from ovi | 00:40 |
| djszapi | bad boy | 00:41 |
| ieatlint | i've published stuff to ovi, does that help? | 00:41 |
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| djszapi | if crappy app, yes. | 00:41 |
| djszapi | =) | 00:41 |
| ieatlint | i should just start publishing shitty apps and charging $20 for them | 00:41 |
| ieatlint | behold my new app, "Rectangle" .. it displays a rectangle on the screen! | 00:42 |
| ieatlint | it's got pointy edges and is rather geometric | 00:42 |
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| djszapi | has anybody tried the root the device completely app from Ovi ? | 00:42 |
| djszapi | :D | 00:42 |
| admiral0 | brb doing "I am rich" | 00:43 |
| admiral0 | XD | 00:43 |
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| ajalkane | So... any opinions on PR1.2? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | opinions? | 01:35 |
| Tronic | I think it sucks that it isn't available yet. | 01:37 |
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| faenil | is it out? | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | i think it's brilliant, it shows true imagination | 01:40 |
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| faenil | is there any release date for n950 pr 1.2? | 01:44 |
| ajalkane | I think it will finally bring MeeGo feature parity with WP Mango | 01:47 |
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| faenil | mmm | 01:48 |
| ajalkane | What's missing, you ask, my answer: ... hmm... The browser is faster in Mango. | 01:49 |
| ieatlint | that's not really feature parity | 01:49 |
| ieatlint | that's performance | 01:49 |
| ajalkane | Oh... did I tell you, I lost my temper today | 01:49 |
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| faenil | ajalkane: what's missing? too much! :D | 01:49 |
| ajalkane | I saw today in one of the operator shops, they were taking down the N9 stand because they're replacing it with Lumia stands. | 01:50 |
| faenil | Lumia = smooth | 01:50 |
| ieatlint | you should've asked for the n9 stand | 01:50 |
| ajalkane | I lost my temper. Totally. Berzerk. | 01:51 |
| faenil | harmattan just can't keep up with it atm... | 01:51 |
| faenil | harmattan = qt world, dev paradise | 01:51 |
| ajalkane | I'm going to go there, next week, and wait until those sales people start harassing me. | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | in related news: random harmattan supporter arrested, pyschiatric evaluation ordered | 01:51 |
| ajalkane | Going berzerk in my case means I'm swyping furiously angry chat messages with N950 | 01:52 |
| ajalkane | I'm kinda lame like that | 01:52 |
| ajalkane | If I was more of a man I would have gone there, wrecked the lumia stand, took out my N950 and burned some shit with the Flashlight app | 01:53 |
| ieatlint | i would've asked for the n9 stand, would be a funny souvenier | 01:53 |
| ieatlint | i have a bunch of meego stuff that will only get funnier with time | 01:53 |
| ajalkane | Well... the stand was the same, they just replaced the phones and the posters | 01:54 |
| ajalkane | But like I raged in my incoherent IMs, it'll be me laughing in few months time when the customers realize what they've bought. | 01:54 |
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| faenil | come on ajalkane, lumia is better for the average joe | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | you think they'll like the phone for a few months and then suddenly go "oh shit, no, it sucks" ? | 01:55 |
| ajalkane | I can't even bear to sell my Lumia 800, as I'd feel bad for making disappointed | 01:55 |
| ieatlint | faenil: i actually wouldn't even argue that... harmattan is pretty user friendly | 01:56 |
| ajalkane | I think they'll try using it for few months, and when the "oh look at that flying text thingy" wears off, they realize this motherfucker doesn't even have a unix shell or ssh server. | 01:56 |
| ieatlint | and despite MS's insistance that they wanted to integrate "people" into things, i find the n9's messaging and social networking integration to be more seamless, and less EULA | 01:56 |
| faenil | ieatlint: but it's nowhere near WP regarding smoothness | 01:57 |
| ieatlint | haha, yeah, i can imagine the average user 3 months down the road going "oh shit, i don't have an ssh server!" | 01:57 |
| ieatlint | faenil: it's on par or better than android | 01:57 |
| faenil | ieatlint: +1, I'm not comparing it to android :) | 01:57 |
| ieatlint | and i really don't see the "smoothness" everyone keeps insisting with wp7.. | 01:57 |
| faenil | you don't see it? | 01:58 |
| faenil | nothing ever lagged since I had lumia.. | 01:58 |
| ieatlint | not to the extent people say | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | I just want to see those sales people faces when they try pushing me Lumia when I go ask about N9 | 01:58 |
| faenil | only Nokia's Apps Highlights app.... (-.-) | 01:58 |
| ieatlint | i also don't like metro.. the cut off text is just odd | 01:58 |
| ieatlint | and i find the UI on harmattan more intuitive | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | it does have a 2min learning curve, but that's it | 01:59 |
| ajalkane | It's smooth. But you can't even transfer stuff with USB cable into it. What, how am I gonna transfer stuff on and off the thing without a Windows machine somewhere? | 01:59 |
| ieatlint | most people don't care so much about that | 02:00 |
| ieatlint | they care about aesthetics, novelty and apps | 02:00 |
| faenil | exactly... | 02:00 |
| ieatlint | wp7 is slightly ahead of harmattan on apps at the moment due to more commercial support methinks | 02:00 |
| ajalkane | Maybe not. But I've heard Zune software is dog slow. Say they wanna transfer a video to the device, I guess it's a bit of an annoying process. | 02:00 |
| faenil | I use N950 for the things lumia can't do | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: so is itunes | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Has microsoft actually put apps on lumia? | 02:01 |
| faenil | but use the lumia for all the rest, because it's workflow is much smoother | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | go tell all the iphone owners they're wrong | 02:01 |
| ajalkane | I bet all those iphone users are crying mom and dad too when they realize they can't ssh into their phones. But it's too late, the money has been spent, so bob's your uncle. | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | actually they can get ssh on their phones | 02:02 |
| ajalkane | they can? | 02:02 |
| ajalkane | no wonder they're happy bunch | 02:02 |
| ieatlint | pretty sure there's dropbox on it if you root it | 02:02 |
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| faenil | gotta go, bed's waiting for me :) | 02:04 |
| faenil | cya ^^ | 02:04 |
| ajalkane | bye fae | 02:04 |
| faenil | bye bye | 02:04 |
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| Sazpaimon | thinking of buying one of these: www.ebay.com/itm/150740639949 | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | is the housing the only part of a white N9 that's different? | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | or does it have any other special stuff | 05:57 |
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| djszapi | meh, it is not that simple to append/remove an element to/from a repeater model, meh meh | 11:11 |
| djszapi | (since if I write a javascript function, it does not respect the stringlist type what the model expects meh meh) | 11:12 |
| djszapi | (and the variant type is read only) | 11:12 |
| djszapi | any idea how to change a model data dynamically in qml ? | 11:12 |
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| admiral0 | djszapi: use c++ | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | !seen infobot | 12:05 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | infobot was last seen 34 hours, 11 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying 'it has been said that malf is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg' in #harmattan. | 12:05 |
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| djszapi | admiral0: that is exactly what I wanted to avoid. | 12:10 |
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| djszapi | creating a whole bunch of class in order to append/remove a simple letter is ... well, suboptimal, to be polite. ;) | 12:12 |
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| admiral0 | :D | 12:13 |
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| djszapi | Does the repeater model accept letter (character) elements instead of string elements ? | 12:28 |
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| Milhouse | lol - apparently this is the real price, not a mis-price: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5280612.htm?storeId=10001&referredURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.argos.co.uk%2Fstatic%2FProduct%2FpartNumber%2F5280612.htm&jspStoreDir=argos&_%24ja=tsid%3A11674|prd%3A1546795&referrer=COJUN&cmpid=COJUN | 13:45 |
| djszapi | please use tinyurl or similar service for long urls. | 13:45 |
| auenf | you call that a long url? | 13:45 |
| Milhouse | want me to shorten it for you? :) | 13:46 |
| djszapi | yes, long enough to be unusable for a click. | 13:46 |
| auenf | my google maps url from yesterday was twice as long :P | 13:46 |
| djszapi | that is behind the point. | 13:46 |
| Milhouse | here you go: http://tinyurl.com/7veqrcv | 13:47 |
| faenil | how comes it's so cheap? | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | So, Lumia 800 doing well in the UK then. :) That, or a new phone (900) is inbound and retailers are desperate to shift their stock. Or (less likely) they're giving up on Nokia/MS/WP7 (if only). | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | Suppose MS could be trying to drive sales by subsiding retailers direct, though that would be mad, surely. | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | Apparently The Verge have checked with Argos (the retailer) and they confirmed the price is correct, not an error. | 13:49 |
| Milhouse | It turned up on Hot UK Deals, and it seems to have had a positive effect on sales: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nokia-800-lumia-sim-free-119-99-stock-was-449-99-argos-1123901?page=1 | 13:49 |
| faenil | shall we get one? X | 13:49 |
| faenil | XD | 13:49 |
| auenf | get one, and blend it? | 13:50 |
| Milhouse | A quick totting up of the numbers and I reckon UK Lumia 800 sales have doubled in the last 24 hours. | 13:50 |
| faenil | oh so you need the argos card | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ow. | 13:51 |
| faenil | does it ship internationally? | 13:52 |
| Milhouse | faenil: don't think so - that's just for instant credit | 13:52 |
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| faenil | HOW TO GET THIS DEAL | 13:53 |
| faenil | Existing Argos Card holder | 13:53 |
| faenil | Simply pay for your purchases with your Argos Card when you are asked to enter your payment details. Youll automatically be given the best credit plan available (you can choose others if they are available) | 13:53 |
| faenil | Havent got an Argos Card yet | 13:53 |
| faenil | Dont worry, you can apply and buy today. Simply choose the Argos Card option when you go to checkout from your trolley | 13:53 |
| faenil | Representative 29.9% APR (variable) | 13:53 |
| faenil | oops | 13:54 |
| faenil | sorry | 13:54 |
| faenil | for the spam | 13:54 |
| faenil | anyway, you need the argos card :D | 13:54 |
| Milhouse | faenil: no international shipping, UK only | 13:54 |
| Milhouse | faenil: hmm ok, that sucks | 13:55 |
| Milhouse | (about the card) | 13:55 |
| faenil | :) | 13:55 |
| Milhouse | not that I had any intention of buying this phone anyway! | 13:55 |
| Milhouse | just that it's a sucky way to entice people to take on more debt | 13:55 |
| auenf | hmm, deal has been removed? | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 30% APR cards can be useful credit. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if only for 60 days. | 13:56 |
| Milhouse | auenf: nope, still there | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | As that's the interest free period. | 13:56 |
| Milhouse | Would be interested to understand out why this is so cheap though - must be new device incoming, this one not selling, need to clear shelves before it moves even more slowly? | 13:57 |
| auenf | you get 404 when trying 'buy or reserve' | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or argos are dropping the hundred or so they bought. | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | And havne't sold one of. | 13:57 |
| Milhouse | auenf: you're right, so you do | 13:57 |
| Milhouse | auenf: I was informed this was legit | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It may have sold out. | 13:58 |
| Milhouse | auenf: though more than a few people on HotUKDeals were ordering multiples, like 10's even 25's so could have sold out | 13:58 |
| Milhouse | hopefully they all get stuck with phones they can't sell | 13:58 |
| Milhouse | :) | 13:58 |
| Milhouse | Check last page: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nokia-800-lumia-sim-free-119-99-stock-was-449-99-argos-1123901?page=17 | 13:59 |
| Milhouse | Seems to have sold out | 13:59 |
| Milhouse | So, Nokia has it's first Lumia Firesale? | 14:01 |
| Milhouse | :) | 14:01 |
| * SpeedEvil is sort-of-conflicted. | 14:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | I want nokia to succeed, so there is a nokia to continue on with open-source in a meaningful way. | 14:01 |
| auenf | using dropdown menus to find the phone, the listing doesn thave a price | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | But I want the windows phones to fail hard - so that... | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, this raises the other thorny issue. | 14:02 |
| Milhouse | Yeah, me too. Unfortunately I think they'll need to fail first, before they can "succeed" (as we might define it). | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if they went to pushing the n9 hard, it's somewhat older tech now (I know) - and gearing up to sell it in volumes is a problem. | 14:02 |
| Milhouse | There's no possibilty of calling the move to WP7 a success or failure for at least another 6 months. Got to wait for the US to have at least 2 quarters, and for Microsoft to have repeatedly tried and failed to raise interest in the platform (must be on their second attempt already). | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 14:05 |
| Milhouse | "2 quarters with Nokia WP7" | 14:05 |
| Milhouse | They seem to be stuffing their app store at an impressive rate, but apart from a few familiar faces on tech blogs does anyone really care about it? not that I can tell, anyway. | 14:06 |
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| Milhouse | Argos Lumia deal on The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/21/2722916/good-deal-nokia-lumia-800-sim-free-argos-uk | 14:09 |
| auenf | battery 0% | 14:09 |
| auenf | estimated usage time left - | 14:09 |
| auenf | estimated active use time 0 mins | 14:09 |
| auenf | estimate idle usage time 0mins | 14:09 |
| auenf | maybe i should charge my phone | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Milhouse: ANy confirmed sales figures? | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Worldwide, I mean? Compared to, let us say, N8? | 14:10 |
| Milhouse | RST38h: Nah. But Nokia figures come out 26 Jan | 14:10 |
| Milhouse | Q4/2011 | 14:10 |
| auenf | but 26 jan is a public holiday :P | 14:11 |
| Milhouse | not here it's not. | 14:12 |
| Milhouse | auenf: where are you? | 14:12 |
| Milhouse | I'm guessing it's not a public holiday in finland... | 14:12 |
| auenf | http://www.australiaday.com.au/ | 14:13 |
| Milhouse | never heard of it. ;-) | 14:13 |
| Milhouse | surprised you celebrate when you became one of our colonies! | 14:15 |
| Milhouse | i suppose you can't really celebrate 1 jan as independence day | 14:15 |
| auenf | and when we finally decide to no longer being a colony, it'd be the same holiday anyway | 14:16 |
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| Milhouse | Bah, seems like it WAS a pricing error after all! I wonder how many that placed an order will retain their interest and order at the corrected - higher - price? Looks at fingers on one hand... | 14:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Milhouse: Pricing error != 'reduced to clear' | 15:15 |
| Milhouse | Or that is just the cover story, and it's all just an elaborate effort to get some cheap publicity while generating a material increase in weekend sales... | 15:19 |
| Milhouse | At least they should now have worked out at what price the Lumia 800 will sell... | 15:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a good practice! Binary chop until you find the desired price-levels. | 15:34 |
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| artemma | Is there some Harmattan counterparty for Symbian's ListItem | 15:55 |
| artemma | ? | 15:55 |
| * artemma is constructing the multiselection list in qml | 15:56 | |
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| artemma | Oh, there's ListDelegate in extras | 16:09 |
| artemma | funny that similar components in MeeGo and Symbian are named differently | 16:09 |
| Milhouse | funny isn't the word i'd have chosen. | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway to check if source exist in image element without js script? | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | in qml | 16:16 |
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| artemma | ZogG_laptop: Only if you find some way to check for it via mobility or your own extension | 16:43 |
| artemma | though you can certainly just try loading image and check the status | 16:43 |
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| * artemma spent 20 mins trying to figure why using com.nokia.extas makes it so that app is invisible on N950. Then I realized that IP addresses changed overnight and my app was starting on N9 in another room :) | 16:45 | |
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| artemma | Is there any way for running com.nokia.extras 1.0 on desktop | 16:46 |
| artemma | ? | 16:46 |
| artemma | I like developing app with harmattan comps on desktop, but then I figured I want to try ListDelegate and it's in extras | 16:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: did this it didn't work | 16:50 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: What? | 16:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem is when i take a photo it doesn't create thumbnail for it yet | 16:51 |
| artemma | don't know | 16:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | if there was way to reload it it would be even better | 16:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: what is in extras? =) | 16:51 |
| artemma | ListDelegate is in extras | 16:51 |
| artemma | I am creating a list, so looking around for comps to use | 16:52 |
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| artemma | interestingly I can't see how to change padding/margin for text in ListDelegate | 16:52 |
| artemma | maybe I'll resort to just a Rectangle | 16:52 |
| tomma | artemma, install qt-components | 16:53 |
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| artemma | tomma: I think I installed everything SDK offered | 16:54 |
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| artemma | non-extras harmattan comps work fine on desktop] | 16:54 |
| tomma | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components | 16:54 |
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| artemma | What?? file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/Button.qml:77:5: QML BorderImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/meegotouch-button-navigationbar-button-background-disabled | 17:20 |
| faenil | how comes I set clip to true in both gridview and the delegate, and the delegates still paint outside of their cell? | 17:21 |
| artemma | I tried to make ToolButton disabled | 17:21 |
| artemma | faenil: is Text painting out? | 17:21 |
| faenil | it's Image | 17:21 |
| artemma | oh, then don't know | 17:21 |
| artemma | remember Text wanted to be clipped exactly on text level | 17:22 |
| artemma | maybe same with image? | 17:22 |
| faenil | what do you mean | 17:22 |
| faenil | I'm clipping inside Image{} | 17:22 |
| faenil | and inside gridview | 17:22 |
| artemma | sorry, I got lost | 17:23 |
| artemma | don't know | 17:23 |
| faenil | :) | 17:23 |
| artemma | fck! Is there really no way to make ToolButton look disabled? | 17:30 |
| * artemma can't believe he's the first one trying to disable tool buttons sometimes | 17:30 | |
| tomma | you mean the ones in toolbar? | 17:32 |
| artemma | yep | 17:33 |
| artemma | disabled backgrounds seem to be missing from the theme | 17:34 |
| tomma | i used "opacity: enabled ? 1.0 : 0.3" | 17:34 |
| * artemma is playing with style trying to figure out replacement | 17:34 | |
| artemma | oh, opacity could do the trick | 17:34 |
| artemma | I started overriding platformStyle for toolbutton and manipulating properties that influence background | 17:34 |
| artemma | but couldn't find a good background for disabled | 17:35 |
| artemma | yeah, opacity would be simpler | 17:35 |
| artemma | though.. hmm.. with the disabled background missing from the theme, button looks ugly regardless of opacity | 17:36 |
| tomma | oh well... all buttons i had to disable didn't have background in icon or i had to make whole icon my self | 17:38 |
| rcg | are you using text for the buttons or icons? | 17:38 |
| artemma | just text | 17:38 |
| rcg | oh ic | 17:38 |
| rcg | for the stock icons you always have a *-dimmed icon to signal disabled state | 17:39 |
| tomma | aahh.. i had toolicons | 17:39 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe if I force disabled background be same as enabled one and then do a trick with opacity.. | 17:39 |
| artemma | I am looking at icon list at http://qt.gitorious.net/maemo-6-ui-framework/duitheme/blobs/35e22bf53b8ae812d81b64d0dbf687bca167542d/base/meegotouch/ids.txt | 17:39 |
| artemma | can't see dimmed for buttons | 17:39 |
| rcg | i used e.g., toolbar-add and toolbar-add-dimmed | 17:40 |
| rcg | or toolbar-edit and toolbar-edit-dimmed | 17:40 |
| rcg | for the platformIconId property of a ToolIcon i.e. | 17:40 |
| artemma | thinking.. | 17:41 |
| artemma | maybe | 17:41 |
| artemma | ok, forcing to use enabled background + that trick with opacity worked fine | 17:42 |
| artemma | faenil: thx for the opacity trick idea | 17:42 |
| faenil | mm I don't remember anything :D | 17:43 |
| faenil | but, you're welcome ^^ | 17:43 |
| artemma | He's what worked for me: | 17:43 |
| artemma | ---- | 17:44 |
| artemma | ToolButton { | 17:44 |
| artemma | id: saveButton | 17:44 |
| artemma | enabled: false; | 17:44 |
| artemma | text: qsTr("Save") | 17:44 |
| artemma | platformStyle: ToolButtonStyle { | 17:44 |
| artemma | disabledBackground: background | 17:44 |
| artemma | } | 17:44 |
| artemma | opacity: enabled ? 1.0 : 0.3 | 17:44 |
| artemma | } | 17:44 |
| artemma | ---- | 17:44 |
| faenil | oh, and did I tell you that? :D | 17:44 |
| RST38h | artemma: Are you familiar with pastebin? | 17:44 |
| artemma | RST38h: that's just few lines | 17:44 |
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| * artemma is still amazed that his N950 and N9 swapped IPs overnight and QtCreator was connecting to N9 with the yesterday's N950 address | 17:47 | |
| RST38h | artemma: correct, that is what pastebin is for. | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use https://gist.github.com | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has teh SSLs | 17:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK, mgedmin updated imgrup =) | 18:08 |
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| * artemma is messing with .pro syntax. Trying to make the test project copy testdata | 22:19 | |
| artemma | ah, can't figure how to make installs do it | 22:21 |
| artemma | does nothing | 22:22 |
| artemma | testdata.path = $${DESTDIR}/testdata | 22:22 |
| artemma | testdata.files = $${SRCDIR}/testdata/* | 22:22 |
| artemma | INSTALLS += testdata | 22:22 |
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| djszapi | Hi! How could I reach the Text element from the MouseArea in this hierarchy ? http://paste.kde.org/190598/ The issue is that they are siblings, and I do not know how to assign a unique id to a repeater element. Tried using the index as part of the repeater element identifier, but did not work out. | 23:35 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: Text { id: anagramLetter } ... MouseArea { ... onClicked { anagramletter = "" } | 23:37 |
| ajalkane | In other words, don't use the parent.index thing | 23:37 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: the letter can be the same for different elements, just like in a word anagram anytime ... | 23:39 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: I did not analyze the meaning of the code, but you don't assign dynamically ids in QML. | 23:40 |
| djszapi | the only difference /is/ the index. | 23:40 |
| djszapi | you do not need to analyze the code, if you know what an anagram is :) | 23:40 |
| ajalkane | If you use it as the code implies, you don't need to access nothing but the current Repeater element, hence using direct ids works. | 23:41 |
| ajalkane | So assign simple ids, if they're inside the repeater and use them from there. They're siblings. What you need the index for? You don't. | 23:42 |
| djszapi | not getting you. | 23:42 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: you want to clear the Text element when clicking on it? | 23:44 |
| ajalkane | Then loose the anagramLetter + parent.index stuff, and just use id: anagramLetter | 23:44 |
| djszapi | and calling a javascript function with some arguments, like index, too. | 23:44 |
| djszapi | it would cause different repeater elements with the same id. | 23:45 |
| djszapi | so how would you make difference between elements that way ? | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | in QML you don't have to if they're inside the same repeater | 23:45 |
| djszapi | for instance if I click on the first elements, I would like to make something with the last ? | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | with Javascript you might need accessors in your model to get the item by index | 23:45 |
| djszapi | or with the second, etc | 23:45 |
| djszapi | how differentiate them ? | 23:46 |
| djszapi | if they do not have a different id ? | 23:46 |
| ajalkane | QML ids are not to be confused with indices | 23:46 |
| ajalkane | If you need to access different elements in a model, you can. | 23:47 |
| ajalkane | Just provide accessor Q_INVOKABLE functions in the model | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | If it's C++ model you're providing | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | If it's not, many of the QML models have JavaScript functions for accessing elements by id | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | But the code you pasted needs none of that stuff | 23:48 |
| djszapi | I do need. | 23:49 |
| djszapi | especially because the inserted anagram letter (next one) will be in different element in the destination. | 23:50 |
| djszapi | that sounds strange if I cannot make individual elements individual. | 23:50 |
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| djszapi | by using the index or any custom identifier tag for those. | 23:51 |
| ajalkane | I'm not going to try and wrap my brain in this drunken state around the mysteries of anagrams and the various ways to build QMLized software around it. But I think you grasp the basics from above? | 23:51 |
| ajalkane | You don't create QML ids dynamically | 23:51 |
| djszapi | sounds like a design issue. | 23:51 |
| ajalkane | Sounds like declarative issue. | 23:51 |
| ajalkane | You just haven't wrapped your head around it yet. It's a bit confusing at start, as it's sometimes declarative and soemtimes procedural | 23:52 |
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| djszapi | I do not see how it would be any difficult on design level to accept this request. | 23:52 |
| ajalkane | I'm not in the position to change the design | 23:53 |
| ajalkane | But I am in the position to try and help you a bit with my own foolish experience. | 23:53 |
| djszapi | 23:51 < ajalkane> You don't create QML ids dynamically | 23:53 |
| djszapi | -> I am just having a use case for that, but I am pretty sure others do, too. | 23:53 |
| ajalkane | I'm sure the people who designed QML would say you're doing it wrong and can do it properly | 23:54 |
| djszapi | so you do not know how to do it properly ? | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | But since I didn't design it, I just say, hang on there... | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | I told you already. | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | Read above | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | If you need accessors for individual elements, create them in your model | 23:55 |
| djszapi | sorry, but messing up with C++ code, when I could just generate ids dynamically with one additional words sounds everything, but "proper". | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | Q_INVOKABLE, slots, properties. There's many ways | 23:55 |
| djszapi | word* | 23:56 |
| ajalkane | What's your model? | 23:56 |
| ajalkane | Maybe your model already has the necessary stuff | 23:56 |
| djszapi | no, I do not. Also, it is behind the point. ;) | 23:56 |
| djszapi | what you said sounds like more like a workaround in my opinion. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | and that is precisely what I wanted to avoid. ;) | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | Unfortunately, my experience is that QML does not adjust to how I or you think things should work. Instead I and you must adjust to how QML works. | 23:57 |
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| djszapi | sure ... provided, there is a sane reasoning behind ... | 23:58 |
| ajalkane | For the reasons I can not answer, that you have to take up with your friends at Nokia. I've sweared often enough with QML too. | 23:59 |
| djszapi | I do not really have qml friends at Nokia ;-) | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | They all hate it too? :) | 23:59 |
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