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| BluesLee | i installed cron on my n9 but it doesnt seem to run? | 00:08 |
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| BluesLee | any alternatives to autostart a command on a daily basis? | 00:09 |
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| * ieatlint loves a future where he can sit on a plane and be online | 00:15 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, it's rather magical, isn't it? | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | truly | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | i'm billing my employer for hours on my way to vacation so i don't take as much time off... :) | 00:25 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: hello bello :) | 01:24 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi :) | 01:25 |
| Venemo | djszapi, so late or so early? :P | 01:25 |
| djszapi | coming back from the Qt MeetUp. We had a collision with a bus :) | 01:25 |
| Venemo | ouch | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | how many jokes about bus errors would made? | 01:27 |
| djszapi | 6 | 01:28 |
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| ieatlint | /win 9 | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | ... oops :) | 01:51 |
| djszapi | /lumia 9 :) | 01:53 |
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| DrGrov | Hello everyone | 02:39 |
| Venemo | hey | 02:39 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: Hungary yes? | 02:39 |
| DrGrov | I got myself a black 64GB N9 today and I am wondering a few things | 02:40 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: I mean that you are from Hungary, correct? | 02:40 |
| Venemo | DrGrov, yes, why're you asking? | 02:40 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: Recognized your nickname from various N900 discussions over at #maemo | 02:41 |
| DrGrov | Is there any good themes or such available for the N9? Or any 3rd party sources or such? | 02:41 |
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| DrGrov | Or is there no such thing available for the N9? | 02:47 |
| DrGrov | *such things | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | i don't think there is an official way to do theming on the n9 | 02:50 |
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| DrGrov | Ok, no problems. I kind of like the standard theme. | 02:51 |
| ieatlint | but on some levels it may be possible with some things by modifying the qml files directly | 02:51 |
| DrGrov | How about wallpapers and such? | 02:51 |
| ieatlint | for the lock screen, yes | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | that's something you can set | 02:52 |
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| DrGrov | ieatlint: Ok, thanks. I hope to find some good website or such where I can find good high quality wallpapers. | 02:56 |
| DrGrov | Seems difficult though. | 02:56 |
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| Venemo | DrGrov, sorry, I don't know | 03:42 |
| Venemo | DrGrov, there are stuf in the Store yes, but I haven't really checked it out. | 03:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | concerning wallpaper, try this http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=480x854 | 04:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course since it's deviantart it's going to be 97% garbage and weird stuff | 04:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=480x854+wallpaper turns up a bunch of mobile wallpaper sites | 04:48 |
| auenf | but you need 854x854 if you enable rotation :P | 04:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | auenf: what? it doesn't rotate the image? | 06:06 |
| auenf | nope | 06:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | strange | 06:06 |
| auenf | http://my-meego.com/grafika/rotatelockscreen.jpg | 06:08 |
| auenf | thats what it does | 06:08 |
| auenf | hence why you have to manually replace it with a 854x854 image | 06:09 |
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| tomma | hmm.... application which fetches random image from google search every morning | 08:52 |
| tomma | and uses that as wallpaper | 08:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so what browser do you guys recommend - stock, opera, or fennec | 09:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wish #n9 got some more activity, i hate asking obviously non-dev stuff here | 09:59 |
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| Hq` | just try all of them and decide for yourself :) | 10:02 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Hq`: but that's haaaard :p nah, i was just wondering if anybody had strong opinions either way | 10:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on my old e71 the stock browser was useless and opera was the stuff, but the n9 browser is lightyears beyond the old symbian one | 10:04 |
| Hq` | the stock one has worked fine for me | 10:06 |
| Hq` | fennec had some slowness issues when I last tried it | 10:06 |
| hiemanshu | I use the stock one, does what I need | 10:12 |
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| jreznik | just two issues with stock - url input is strange - with the selection, you have to type slooow not to overwrite already written chars... and passwords (PR 1.2? ;-) | 10:28 |
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| infobot | Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? | 10:44 |
| auenf | itsnotabigtruck, microb ftw? | 10:45 |
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| phunguy | i'm having troubles ssh'ing to my n9 all of a sudden | 11:06 |
| phunguy | woops wrong chan | 11:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | phunguy: how is it wrong? | 11:24 |
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| djszapi | jonni: still 1% battery after 5-6 hours wall charger usage :P Sounds like a flasher bug, or device corruption. | 12:35 |
| jonni | sounds exiting, is it on reboot loop, or charing as blackscreen with the flashing white led on bottom corner? | 12:36 |
| djszapi | I got somehow into the a reboot loop, but not sure how because I used this device 3-4 months ago last time or so. :) | 12:37 |
| djszapi | would like to re-flash. | 12:37 |
| jonni | white rebooting loop it eats more battery than it charges, so you need to change the mode to not booting mode | 12:38 |
| jonni | sudo ./flasher -i should do the trick, if I remember right then it goes to mode where it doesnt start to boot. or long press powerbutton might also work. | 12:39 |
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| djszapi | I tried the long press powerbutton previously. | 12:39 |
| jonni | normally long press goes to autoboot, so most likely you need to use the flasher for nonbooting | 12:40 |
| djszapi | i, --read-device-id Print out the device type | 12:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: seen the pr1.2 screenshot thread? | 12:42 |
| djszapi | it does not boot for "./flasher -Owait-charging" luckily enough, well let us see :) | 12:42 |
| djszapi | (but no indication with any led, it is actually charging either) | 12:43 |
| jonni | djszapi: ah yes wait-charging should be ok, as long as that white led blinks | 12:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just wonder what that guy did to his Nokia friends he got phone from | 12:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but still it sounds like his friend is actually him, coz whole story sounds wierd | 12:44 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: fired :) | 12:44 |
| djszapi | jonni: let us leave it for 10-20 minutes,and then let us see :) | 12:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: you think or you know? | 12:45 |
| djszapi | he joked :D | 12:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | he never jokes... EVER... ._. | 12:46 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: anyways any speculative threads on screenshots can be ignored, there is no future pr release coming anytime soon, if any at all. | 13:03 |
| qronic | why? | 13:03 |
| djszapi | NDA discussion is probably out of the scope of this channel :) | 13:05 |
| kevin_b | New drug application? | 13:06 |
| kevin_b | Nuclear Decommissioning Authority? | 13:06 |
| javispedro | kevin_b, in the wikipedia page you are reading, right 2 items up the Nuclear Decommissioning one | 13:06 |
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| javispedro | ;P | 13:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: may or may not, i know you can't tell me nyway. just wonder about that exactly story from inside and what happened to guy | 13:07 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: do you come to Brussels for FOSDEM ? | 13:08 |
| kevin_b | thanks :) | 13:08 |
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| javispedro | djszapi, I've not made plans but I was considering it... you are? | 13:08 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: yeah, I try. | 13:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw new molome does use camer, interesting if they did the trick as I or they used Qt for that?? | 13:10 |
| jonni | nobody knows yet the final featureset, any possible shots which are either photoshopped or not, might not match the real release. Its wrong to speculate on fake or not ready versions untill possible official version comes out later this year (maybe?). I have no info on that story, and couldn't even tell if I had. | 13:11 |
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| djszapi | the price falls give you a rough idea about the future :) | 13:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: no, i don't want to know about features or anything, was sking if the guy was fired/ punished or something, that's all | 13:12 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: no idea, I dont know what molome is | 13:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: molome is like integram or what's that app called for iphone, it's like twitter but for photos from phone | 13:13 |
| djszapi | jonni: heh, it now worked with "-Owait-charging", but I got chinese text after the flashing ;P | 13:13 |
| jonni | djszapi: heh, what version did you flash | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 13:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: was it pikachu instead of nokia logo? | 13:15 |
| javispedro | lol | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: sup | 13:16 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: yeah, I think it was a kamehamehaaa application :) | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | say what? | 13:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it's wierd that qml Page element does not have color and theme settings properties =( | 13:30 |
| jonni | as there is only 1 theme in the phone and no theme support officially | 13:32 |
| jonni | :) | 13:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: yeah but i mean it would be cool if you could set page setting like background color, buttons color, text color, instead of wich element separetly, espetially when few do not have those options | 13:34 |
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| jonni | well yes might be nice addition to the api | 13:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: as i understand most devs who make really nice apps use rectangle | 13:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | so they can make their app looking nice and independent from default templates | 13:42 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: any examples of really nice apps? I would say that they all use default templates that they just have pimped. | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: meecast =) | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | cutetube | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm it seems busyindicator do not care about size i set =\ | 13:50 |
| jani | ZogG_laptop: pr1.2 screenshot thread - where ? tmo fmo ? | 13:51 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: meecast uses default components, just checked the main.qml and it uses PageStackWindow as rootWindow | 13:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | jani: everywhere actually but source on tmo | 13:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: but the pages | 13:56 |
| jani | is it this "My n9 is running pr 1.2" thread ? | 13:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 13:56 |
| jani | ack yeah.. | 13:56 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: settingspage and about page is using Page as expected | 13:57 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: but yes its combination of default components + pimping | 13:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: it's rectangle inside right? | 14:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | right inside page? | 14:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw wtha is "could not resolve the prototype implicit sizeitem of button" about? | 14:04 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: on most pages there is no rectangle inside, only very few screen are done with rectangle | 14:07 |
| jonni | its a public svn repo | 14:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: wazd promised me to help with UI but he is really busy those days =\ | 14:08 |
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| SqRt7744 | hi, has anyone run into a problem like this: :-1: error: mainwindow.o: relocation R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `QCoreApplication::self' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC | 14:30 |
| SqRt7744 | I'm trying to get evopedia running on the N9, and am getting this linker error | 14:31 |
| SqRt7744 | the .pro file already has the following lines: QMAKE_CFLAGS_SHLIB += -fPIC | 14:35 |
| SqRt7744 | QMAKE_CFLAGS_STATIC_LIB += -fPIC | 14:35 |
| SqRt7744 | QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_SHLIB += -fPIC | 14:35 |
| SqRt7744 | QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_STATIC_LIB += -fPIC | 14:35 |
| KRF | SqRt7744: the libraries you are linking *to* likely need to be recompiled with -fPIC | 14:36 |
| KRF | e.g. some system library | 14:36 |
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| SqRt7744 | KRF, hmm. this is a problem, it's bzip, already on the device. | 14:38 |
| javispedro | SqRt7744, why don't you use one of qmake's library templates | 14:50 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, really? How? | 14:50 |
| javispedro | (you have added the -fPICs into the incorrect places either way, but you don't need to do that because the templates should make it for you) | 14:51 |
| javispedro | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.7/qmake-common-projects.html | 14:51 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, this sounds promising, thanks, i will have a look straight away | 14:51 |
| javispedro | TEMPLATE=lib basically | 14:52 |
| SqRt7744 | and i add that to the .pro file? | 14:52 |
| javispedro | you replace the current TEMPLATE= line on the .pro | 14:53 |
| javispedro | SqRt7744: but what are you trying to do regarding evopedia? converting it to a library? | 14:54 |
| SqRt7744 | no, I just want it to run | 14:55 |
| javispedro | so it's not a shared library at all? | 14:55 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, the same source runs on the desktop, and in the simulator, but not on the device (that's when I get the above error) | 14:55 |
| SqRt7744 | ok, i changed the template to "lib" and rebuild, now it complains that it can't find -lbz2 | 14:56 |
| * javispedro fails to understand | 14:57 | |
| javispedro | why did you add -fPIC if it's not a library? | 14:57 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, it's a bit frustrating, I can build "pure" qt applications with no external dependencies with no problem, but since evopedia requires bzip, i can't get it to run | 14:57 |
| javispedro | forget everything I said and remove whatever you added related to -fPIC | 14:57 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, I actually didn't add those -fPIC lines, they were in the .pro file from the source I grabbed from the 'net. | 14:58 |
| javispedro | http://gitorious.org/evopedia/ | 14:58 |
| javispedro | can't find them here | 14:58 |
| SqRt7744 | javispedro, I'll try removing them, change the template back to app, and see what happens | 14:58 |
| SqRt7744 | wierd, because I dnd | 14:58 |
| SqRt7744 | didn't change anything | 14:58 |
| SqRt7744 | well, alright, now it is just saying it cannot find -lbz2. Is there anyway to get the lib onto the device | 15:00 |
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| SqRt7744 | ok, if anyone is interested, I got evopedia to run. Had to go into the toolchain and softlink libbz2.so.1.0 to libbz2.so (usr/lib), same on device | 15:19 |
| kralor | SqRt7744: we're interested in the wl12xx drivers with rfmon+injection :p | 15:29 |
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| kralor | now you can focus on that! :P | 15:30 |
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| npm | somebody should write a game where you have a cell phone and have to make important calls to people, except there's power-daemons you have to manage and turn off all the time and if you forget you cant call pepole and you die.... | 15:34 |
| npm | or you can just run mango.... | 15:35 |
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| zx2c4 | Does anyone know what APIs I should investigate to make something that will override the way in which SMS messages are sent? | 16:08 |
| zx2c4 | (and received) | 16:08 |
| zx2c4 | I'm working on integrating google voice more deeply | 16:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | zx2c4: hey | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | zx2c4: sup | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | zx2c4: may i ask you few not harmattan related questions, as i know you wrote few things for sony vaio laptops | 16:09 |
| zx2c4 | sure, but might be best to do it in PM or how about in #vaio-f11 | 16:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice we have vaio chan | 16:13 |
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| merlin1991 | zx2c4: the whole mesaging system is based on telepathy | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | so thelepathy-qt4 and telepaty-glib are the things you want to look into | 16:58 |
| merlin1991 | (as far as I understood it the former is used for the client aka ui, and the latter for the actual conenction managers) | 16:58 |
| flux | is there a way to put n9 to use usb networking like it would use WLAN? | 16:59 |
| * merlin1991 remembers the dummy network on the n900, maybe you can find something similar | 17:01 | |
| merlin1991 | flux: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications for the old way on the n900, maybe you can make some use of it | 17:02 |
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| anapospastos | hello, is this the right channel to talk about greek localization for the N9? | 17:10 |
| djszapi | shoot | 17:12 |
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| l32606 | hi, does anybody known how to change the appear time of MNotification bar? | 17:39 |
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| l32606 | I used the MNotification API to show some info. outside-app, but I found the notify bar are disappeared after 5 seconds. | 17:42 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: do you need for Mer to unlock the bootloader ? | 17:57 |
| djszapi | (it is currently not possible, but would you need it ?) | 17:57 |
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| erparom_ | Hi! Good day/night to everyone. I've got an issue of Meego inside my N9, is there anybody that can help me here? | 18:30 |
| ieatlint | it's going to be difficult to get meego out of it, but with some work, it can be done | 18:30 |
| jonni | Harmattan inside your N9, you mean. But whats the problem? | 18:31 |
| * SpeedEvil gets his holy water and garlic. | 18:31 | |
| erparom_ | Well | 18:33 |
| erparom_ | My operator (telcel) at mexico decided to take out some apps from Meego | 18:33 |
| erparom_ | So I tried to install Skype | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. Which ones? | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:34 |
| erparom_ | following the procedure described inside: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80928&page=2 | 18:34 |
| erparom_ | (that's something about changing apt repositories) | 18:35 |
| erparom_ | After all the procedure I got skype | 18:35 |
| erparom_ | but now all the tags / labels for every string inside my meego are messed up | 18:35 |
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| jonni | and you changed the repo back to original after installing the app? | 18:36 |
| erparom_ | every string label shows as qtn_whatever | 18:36 |
| jonni | if you you dont most likely all the translations will go away and show as qtn_ | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | I tried to restore by | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | apt-get update | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | apt-get -y install account* l10n-app* | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | also with | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | apt-get -y install l10n-app* | 18:37 |
| erparom_ | but it did not worked | 18:38 |
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| jonni | before or after changing the repo back to original? | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | erparom_: just change everything back | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | erparom_: and download only skype and dependies for it and install manually | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | or flash with normal firmware | 18:39 |
| jonni | or change your language to english :) | 18:44 |
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| kevin_b | is there any issue with openmax on harmattan? | 18:58 |
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| BluesLee | are there any cli commands to directly switch between different profiles (silent, beep, ringing)? | 19:06 |
| ieatlint | i bet it can be done via dbus | 19:07 |
| BluesLee | it was the case on fremantle, with harmattan i dont know | 19:08 |
| BluesLee | cron seems to work well on harmattan at least with root | 19:08 |
| BluesLee | so i need some input for cron;-) | 19:09 |
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| faenil | hey guys | 19:47 |
| faenil | are qml items continuously redrawn? | 19:47 |
| faenil | I have a glview with some ui (two toolbars and a listview with tabBar) | 19:48 |
| faenil | with the fullscreen glview I get 36fps | 19:48 |
| faenil | (rendering the Stanford Bunny) | 19:48 |
| faenil | WITH the ui around the glview (so the gl view is also smaller) I get 22 fps! | 19:48 |
| faenil | isn't that too much slowdown? | 19:49 |
| faenil | only caused by some ui items? | 19:49 |
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| lucido | how to launch the emergency call app through dbus, what is the name of the dbus method to call or how do I find it? | 19:52 |
| ieatlint | uh, if you know another way to launch it, just run dbus-monitor and launch it and see what gets called | 19:56 |
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| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 20:12 |
| faenil | hey o/ | 20:12 |
| djszapi | come to FOSDEM ? :) | 20:12 |
| faenil | where when? | 20:13 |
| djszapi | Pluto 5012 :) | 20:13 |
| faenil | xD | 20:13 |
| faenil | got last bachelor's exam on 19january and thesis (if I pass the exam) on 24th February ^^ | 20:13 |
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| faenil | djszapi: please help me with qml instead :D | 20:17 |
| djszapi | google code-in students have the first priority, sorry :P | 20:18 |
| faenil | dammit :P | 20:18 |
| faenil | it takes 2 mins :D | 20:18 |
| Avengence | Well, I have semi-working email now. After deleting the gmail account, messageserver statrs at boot, and adding it back is still ok, but then it takes less than a day before messageserver just kinda hangs and stops working right. New mesage notification work sporadicaly but no messages can be viewed. Killing the messageserver process (which at least respawns properly) gets mail flowing for a few hours but then it gets stuck again. Using | 20:19 |
| Avengence | gmail just seems to be a recipe for disaster. | 20:19 |
| Avengence | djszapi: tell some of those google students to go fix gmail to suck less hard | 20:19 |
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| lucido | is ther a screen video capture app for the N9? | 20:29 |
| lucido | ieatlint, thanks | 20:29 |
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| lucido | hmm dbus-monitor shows nothing on emergency call | 20:37 |
| lucido | must be part of the lockscreen then | 20:38 |
| RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/q/vnc# InstalL #PresenceVnc to SharE and ControL any #DeskToP on #HarmattaN #MeeGo or #MaemO #HandSet !n950club !n9 etc | 20:38 |
| RST38h | RzR: What is wrong with your letter case? | 20:39 |
| RzR | wiki style | 20:40 |
| lizardo | I thought the shift key was loose :) | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anybody had any weirdness with the compass | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i loaded up the orienteering compass app the other day, worked fine, later that day, it seems to 'stick' | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lucido: perhaps you could implement your own emergency call screen? | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or see what other custom homescreens do? | 20:43 |
| lucido | itsnotabigtruck, yes I'm searching for voice call api documentation | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just make sure it doesn't make it too easy to accidentally make emergency calls...they don't exactly like that :p | 20:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but i guess it's just a matter of making a call to 112 | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rzr: ...that isn't wiki style :p | 20:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's youtube comment style | 20:46 |
| Avengence | itsnotabigtruck: they don't exactly like that, but in some jurisdictions not only can you make emergency call without sim, but you can do so when phone is locked (keylock and/or password) so its stupidly easy to pocket dial emergency numbers | 20:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Avengence: lovely | 20:49 |
| tunkki- | Hi! i need sum help with N9 | 20:49 |
| Avengence | what they really don't like is being told it's their fault for causing the problem by legally mandating all manufacturers to include the stupid behavior | 20:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tunkki-: shoot | 20:55 |
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| lucido | whats the call api called? | 20:56 |
| tunkki- | Nokia ovistore and maps doesnt work.. | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hell if i know...try grepping the header files | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tunkki-: do you get an error message | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i gotta go, later | 20:57 |
| tunkki- | :S | 20:57 |
| tunkki- | no error messages it doesnt do anything when i try to push downloand :S | 20:58 |
| tunkki- | download* | 20:58 |
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| djszapi | I am sorry for the question, but any C# master here ? | 20:59 |
| gri | djszapi, Trying to code for your lumia? | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i'm a little out of practice but kind of...what's the problem | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Whaddayaneed? | 21:00 |
| tunkki- | and maps doesnt do anything and i cant click anything | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Are you licensed to codein C# at all? | 21:00 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: /topic | 21:01 |
| djszapi | someone told me the C# WPF is similar to QML, and I am interested in opinions, pro/cons without flamewars ;-) | 21:01 |
| RST38h | You need Microsoft OS and C# to do anything in WPF. | 21:01 |
| RST38h | That is where most people stop considering WPF. | 21:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, WPF is the stuff as long as you only care about ms platforms | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no easier gui framework for windows | 21:02 |
| hiemanshu | Please stay ontopic people | 21:02 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: can I message you about it in private ? | 21:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah np | 21:02 |
| tunkki- | anyone can help me with maps and ovistore xD | 21:02 |
| RST38h | tunkki: Check if you are logged in to Ovi | 21:03 |
| RST38h | tunkki: Under Accounts, I guess | 21:03 |
| tunkki- | mm im logged with my nokia account | 21:03 |
| RST38h | tunkki: Also want to check if there is network connection (load a page into browser) | 21:03 |
| hiemanshu | tunkki-: restart makes no difference? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | tunkki: If everything is in place, reboot | 21:04 |
| tunkki- | ok | 21:04 |
| RST38h | tunkki: If reboot does not help, contact Nokia support =) | 21:04 |
| tunkki- | ok | 21:04 |
| tunkki- | i got pr 1,1 | 21:05 |
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| djszapi | admiral0: javispedro's generator is working again :) | 21:06 |
| tunkki- | and that nokia link not work :D | 21:06 |
| tunkki- | thats so failed program | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | djszapi: hi dude | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | i copied his template.svg and worked in inkscape | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | and just published my first application in ovi store | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | yay | 21:06 |
| djszapi | congrats :) What is it about ? | 21:07 |
| admiral0 | Power SMS | 21:07 |
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| admiral0 | imagine a message like "Hello $NAME. Merry Christmas!!!" | 21:07 |
| admiral0 | select a lot of contacts | 21:07 |
| admiral0 | send | 21:07 |
| admiral0 | ??? | 21:07 |
| admiral0 | Profit! | 21:08 |
| gri | admiral0, So we both fight for the "sms" keyword in the ovi store? :D | 21:08 |
| admiral0 | yes | 21:08 |
| admiral0 | XD | 21:08 |
| gri | good news is: the feed apps with no rating show up first | 21:09 |
| admiral0 | gri. Your application? | 21:09 |
| Avengence | so an sms spamming app | 21:09 |
| Avengence | great... | 21:09 |
| gri | admiral0, Web2SMS | 21:09 |
| admiral0 | ah | 21:09 |
| admiral0 | nice | 21:09 |
| admiral0 | maybe we could work to make them work together | 21:10 |
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| admiral0 | g2g | 21:10 |
| admiral0 | virtual lan party | 21:10 |
| gri | whatever this is | 21:11 |
| tunkki- | thnx for help i reboot and it works magic..... | 21:11 |
| tunkki- | that phone is really weird | 21:11 |
| * admiral0 has a lot of random crashes in harmattan btw | 21:11 | |
| * admiral0 has PR 1.1 | 21:12 | |
| jonni | tunkki-: have you tried to change the language on device, forums atleast solved maps not starting bug by changing language and start, update and change language back to normal | 21:12 |
| javispedro | I hope someone can explain why the friggin "Copy" menu item in Firefox is greyed out!! | 21:12 |
| * javispedro angry | 21:12 | |
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| jonni | tunkki-: but good, that reboot helped so you dont have to kludge | 21:12 |
| javispedro | it was a mistake to upgrade from 3.6... | 21:12 |
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| gri | Anyone using Ubuntu 11.10 with QtSDK? The installer hides after selecting the path and that's it ... nothing happens | 21:14 |
| tunkki- | yeah thats really weird why its not working without reboot | 21:14 |
| Avengence | javispedro: I'm not sure anyone can explain anything that has happened in all firefiox versions after 3.6 without defying logic | 21:15 |
| lizardo | gri: maybe is this? http://www.andreagrandi.it/2012/01/12/nokia-qtsdk-installer-crash-on-ubuntu-how-to-fix-it/ | 21:17 |
| jonni | gri: or this http://askubuntu.com/questions/65553/how-do-i-install-qt-sdk-1-1-3 | 21:19 |
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| gri | lizardo, jonni, Thanks :) Nice that the style seems to crash :D | 21:20 |
| lucido | gri, can you deploy to device after updating the sdk? | 21:20 |
| gri | lucido, I've set up a new system so I did not update | 21:21 |
| gri | when the harmattan sdk updates, I usally delete it completely and then reinstall QtSDK | 21:21 |
| gri | (well, this just happened once or twice yet) | 21:21 |
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| lucido | gri, so you have downloaded it recently and no probs with deployment? | 21:22 |
| gri | I was not even able to install the QtSDK on this machine yet. In my vmware images I can use deployment but haven't updated their sdk for ~2 weeks | 21:23 |
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| gri | wow, just changed a few boot parameters and my laptop needs ~10 Watts less in Battery mode :) | 22:00 |
| faenil | got dual video card? :P | 22:01 |
| faenil | yes you have 5830tg | 22:01 |
| faenil | right? :D | 22:01 |
| gri | Yeah but I can disable the nvidia card in the bios | 22:01 |
| faenil | but I think it's still powered :D | 22:02 |
| gri | I had to set the intel i5 (i915) boot parameters for power saving, now the cooler does not even start when I do nothing :) | 22:02 |
| faenil | yeah know what you mean :D | 22:02 |
| gri | leaving the laptop idle is now at ~6.5 Watts while surfing is at 11 | 22:03 |
| faenil | approx same here :) | 22:03 |
| faenil | 5820tg | 22:03 |
| gri | that makes ubuntu really usable on this machine | 22:03 |
| gri | still I would know how to decrease the hdd rpm - on Windows I don't feel it's rotating, on linux I do | 22:04 |
| faenil | mmm | 22:04 |
| javispedro | that's automatic accoustic management aka hdparm -M | 22:04 |
| faenil | try powertop, it's got lots of things you can tweak | 22:05 |
| gri | faenil, already running :) | 22:05 |
| gri | javispedro, thank you. It said it changed to 128 (silent) but still I feel the vibrate like before | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | gri: sup | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | long time haven't seen you | 22:08 |
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| gri | ZogG_laptop, Hello, I'm not that active these weeks. I have to learn for university exams which start at 26th | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | we don't talk about that =\ | 22:09 |
| gri | ZogG_laptop, So you should learn, too? :) | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | haven't check when i have exams as i'm affraid | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz of new work missed whole semester | 22:10 |
| SqRt7744 | what do you study? | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | me? | 22:11 |
| SqRt7744 | both of you | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | software eng | 22:11 |
| gri | Computer Science, should be the same | 22:11 |
| gri | No idea what's the real English name | 22:11 |
| SqRt7744 | ah ok, well, welcome to the club | 22:11 |
| gri | but I am at the first semester so test should not be that hard | 22:12 |
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| faenil | computer science here too :) | 22:14 |
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| faenil | guys, is the UI repaint everytime in qml' | 22:18 |
| faenil | ? | 22:18 |
| faenil | or only when needed? | 22:18 |
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| Avengence | isn't first semester already over? it's after the new year | 22:20 |
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| Avengence | or do they do it different where you are? the winter holidays/new year is the break between first and second semester at every school/university I've attended | 22:21 |
| gri | Avengence, here it starts in september and ends in march (winter semester) | 22:22 |
| Avengence | september - december is 1st semester, janurary - may is 2nd semester, june - august is summer break or summer semester if you skip break | 22:23 |
| Avengence | gri: if you have one semester going all the way from sept to march, that's half the year. the other semester is the other half and you have no summer break? | 22:24 |
| gri | Avengence, The semesters include the break as far as I know | 22:24 |
| antman8969 | lol not in the US | 22:24 |
| gri | for example my last test is at 2.2. but the semester ends at 15.3. | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone knows how to check what page i'm on ? (in QML ) | 22:25 |
| antman8969 | what do you mean check? You want the page's id? | 22:25 |
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| antman8969 | pageStack.currentPage may be what you are looking for zogg_laptop | 22:26 |
| antman8969 | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/PageStack.qml | 22:27 |
| hiemanshu | what flasher do you download for non .deb systems? | 22:27 |
| Avengence | gri: oh, completely different wherever you are. breaks are between semesters in US. about 2 weeks for primary/secondary school, 3 weeks for university between winter and spring semesters. summer is traditionally a 3 month break so the kids could work the farm, but now its for summer jobs to pay for school | 22:27 |
| gri | Avengence, summer semsester break is here about 2 months I think (didn't have them yet) | 22:32 |
| gri | they seem to be even different for different kinds of universities | 22:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | antman8969: thanx | 22:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | another question. if i have header element i made and above it gridview, how can i make the header always on top | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | as when i scroll it scrolls over header element | 22:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmmm | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | that was easy, just put header after | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's all about order =) | 22:53 |
| frals | or set z property manually | 22:53 |
| faenil | our exams at uni end at end of July | 22:54 |
| faenil | and there are new exams in September,with lessons starting on the second half of September | 22:55 |
| faenil | so 1 month, August | 22:55 |
| faenil | but that all depends on when you pass the exams, if you pass all exams before summer, June, you have july, august, september of holidays | 22:55 |
| faenil | but that's the max you can get, and it's not easy at all | 22:56 |
| gri | I hate learning those electric circuit crap :) | 22:56 |
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| faenil | like? :D | 23:00 |
| gri | affiliate/derive (whatever the correct word is) the electric flipflop (rs flipflop) | 23:02 |
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| faenil | I see | 23:03 |
| faenil | we don't do much electric things here | 23:03 |
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| gri | I wish we would not | 23:04 |
| gri | maybe you learned it but already forgot about that? :) | 23:04 |
| faenil | ahahah :D | 23:06 |
| faenil | nah we talked about flipflops | 23:06 |
| faenil | but just on the fly | 23:06 |
| Avengence | you would not like where i went to university | 23:06 |
| faenil | that's more for elect engineers | 23:06 |
| gri | faenil, The professor teaching us this is a robotics engineer | 23:07 |
| faenil | eheh :D | 23:07 |
| Avengence | computer science included everything top to bottom. circuit diagrams for all basic units, block level cpu design, assembly language, c and c++ language, databases, numerical method, LOTS of math, cobol, AI, etc | 23:07 |
| faenil | that meant you did not do lots of things we do Avengence :) | 23:07 |
| faenil | coz time is time | 23:07 |
| gri | Avengence, we also learned how to create a simple processor :( I am not an engineer and not even interested | 23:08 |
| faenil | yeah same here, the final test is to write the firmware of a cpu and evaluate of its timings | 23:08 |
| phdeswer | Aah the basic RISC design...Was rather interesting IMO. | 23:08 |
| Avengence | the exam for one class had things like "add instruction called foo to this MIPS processor that does bar" and we have to draw circuit to add instruction decode and execiute | 23:09 |
| gri | Avengence, pure hell. | 23:09 |
| faenil | I agree :) | 23:09 |
| Avengence | the computer engineering program goes into much more detail at that level in exchange fopr less programming. the information technology program skips all the electronics in favor of more programming/systems stuff | 23:10 |
| gri | we only have one course it seems | 23:11 |
| gri | coding, uml, graphs ... ok, but circuits are a no-go for me :P | 23:12 |
| Avengence | I went to an engineering school so there were separate programs for electrical engineering (all circuits), computer engineering (a little programming), computer science (blend of everything), information technology (just code, skip electronics), information systems (clueless manager training) | 23:13 |
| Avengence | I like to do something useful, so drawing uml was a waste of time to me. I would write the program, fully test it, document everything, then use the reverse uml functoion of rational rose to spit out the diagrams | 23:15 |
| Avengence | of course there's also plenty of other engineering disciplines that are unrelated to electronics/computers at same university so I got to take a few other classes just for fun. I took a nuclear physics class (the school has a working reactor) and an explosives engeering course in mining department (every week we go to the mine and execute a shot) | 23:18 |
| gri | sounds interesting but I would totally fail at nuclear physics exams :D | 23:19 |
| Anssi138 | Avengence: well uml includes other diagrams types too | 23:19 |
| Avengence | i was never good at calculus (great with all other math) so I had some trouble doing the equations but all the concepts made sense and teh professor got the idea that I had no trouble with any of it except writing out the numbers | 23:20 |
| Avengence | that would keep me from going into physics for a degree, but I had liked mechanical and electromagnetic physics so I figured I should take the opportunity and expose myself to nuclear physics too | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange how somebody could like explosives but not chips :-D | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also love reading about criticality events though XD | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and about fission powered EMP and microwave devices | 23:44 |
| Avengence | DocScrutinizer: i missed something due to disconnect. who mentioned liking explosives but not chips? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for EMP it's much more fun to have small devices powered by a few hundred kg of conventional explosives | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-13 22:18:06] <Avengence> of course there's also plenty of other engineering disciplines that are unrelated to electronics/computers at same university so I got to take a few other classes just for fun. I took a nuclear physics class (the school has a working reactor) and an explosives engeering course in mining department (every week we go to the mine and execute a shot) | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | fun | 23:46 |
| Avengence | DocScrutinizer: where was the mention of not liking chips? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-13 22:12:52] <gri> coding, uml, graphs ... ok, but circuits are a no-go for me :P | 23:47 |
| Avengence | did gri say something about explosives as well? | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so...what does --enable-rd-mode in flasher do | 23:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks gri is what we caled "mathematicians" in our time, grinning in an unfriendly way whenever we used the term | 23:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: it toggles a bit in CAL | 23:48 |
| Avengence | heh, maybe | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so later in linux (and NOLO as well) it get checked, and some functions get enabled or disabled accordingly | 23:49 |
| * gri does not understand this :/ | 23:49 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: including on the N9? what actually gets enabled/disabled? | 23:50 |
| Avengence | i started with electronics before computers so it didn't bother me when we dealt with low level stuff in school | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, CAL? i'm finding references to it but not what it stands for | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Avengence: same here | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd never had touched CPU if it worked with maybe hydraulics | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also Avengence: sounds like your uni has cool electives :( | 23:51 |
| Avengence | gri: mathematicians just study theory but never apply it. | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but since it was electronics, I had to solder my own Z80 computer in late 1970's | 23:51 |
| Avengence | DocScrutinizer: what do you think of photon based CPUs? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice concept | 23:52 |
| * gri never dealt with hardware and hated electonics in the physics lessons in school. I only like the software part :) | 23:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I started electronics before I had math lessons at school ;-D | 23:53 |
| Avengence | itsnotabigtruck: some things I took as electives I wasn't really meant to. I skipped a who bunch of prerequisites (geology, mine safety, etc) when I took the explosives engineering class. I did it because I friend in mining engineering was taking it (3 years into his degree program) and he said it'd be fun if I took the class and assured me the professor wouldn't care if I skipping those since I wasn't going for a degree in it | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~cal | 23:55 |
| infobot | from memory, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752) | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo cal | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | here you are | 23:56 |
| Avengence | i started with the radio shack kits before elementary school. then i got myy hands on a computer, taught myself basic just after learning enough english to do so, and said "hey, i can do so more more (expirementation wise) witrh the computer. it's so fast to change a line of code vs rewire a circuit." and that's the course i followed | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or here: cat /proc/mtd | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | called config there | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: hmm. anyway, has anyone tried it on an N9? | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's mentioned in lots of places concerning the N900 | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's meaningless on N9 | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I admit I'm rather clueless what they did with R&D flag in HARM | 23:59 |
| minimec | #join n9 | 23:59 |
| Avengence | I think it's important to know exactly what happens at each level when doing something in code and I'm not sure I'd have a good grasp on that if I had started in a different order. it's a shame that so many schools now strt students with java, only touch C in late years if evry, and don't even think of covering assembly and cpu architecture | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | minimec: #fail | 23:59 |
| minimec | DocScrutinizer: ;) | 23:59 |
| Avengence | lol | 23:59 |
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