| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: there is video of full disassemble | 00:01 |
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| Jare | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf | 00:19 |
| jonni | anyone have link to ovi store path name requirements? | 00:28 |
| jonni | I've lost my bookmark somehow :) | 00:28 |
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| jonni | ah found it | 00:31 |
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| faenil | heya people :) | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | hi | 00:38 |
| faenil | hi ieatlint :) | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | this is an exciting day... it's friday, i got more than 6 hours of sleep, and i booked travel | 00:43 |
| ieatlint | wooo | 00:43 |
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| jonni | xTs: and you have setup your date&time to be today? since developer mode install fails if you try to install it without setting the date? | 00:45 |
| jonni | (as the deb package certificate validity starttime is later than 1.1.2011, and gives you failure if you try to install deb packages to new phone without setting datetime) | 00:46 |
| xTs | jonni: yes, that was the first thing I did, when I switched the device on | 00:47 |
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| xTs | uhm... yeah, we've got 2012... | 00:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: sup | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | eh | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | writing unit tests for a patch for a gnarly package | 00:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i added gallery to my app =) | 00:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | the question should it be hot,top or new? | 00:50 |
| mgedmin | the imgur uploader? | 00:50 |
| mgedmin | personally, I'd be interested in my history | 00:50 |
| mgedmin | things I've uploaded -- with options to edit/delete/whatever | 00:50 |
| xTs | jonni: well, I was in the wrong year... but after 1.1.2011 | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: history is bump, coz i'm waiting to pr1.2 to make authorixation with signon-oauth2 | 00:52 |
| jonni | xTs: it needed to be after 10.10.2011 or something | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | xTs: jonni said " validity starttime is *later than* 1.1.2011" | 00:52 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: I said that N9 defaults 1.1.2011 in 1st boot, didnt say when debian package validity started, it was much later than january | 00:53 |
| xTs | it was the 7.1.2011. But I don't know why. I was pretty sure that I set it to 2012. Even scrolled through the list to select january 2012... | 00:53 |
| jonni | 7.1.2011 will fail for sure, for that certificate validity error (and UI doesnt say the reason) :) | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: yes, I only added some emphasis around *alter than* to your quote | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | *later than* actually | 00:55 |
| xTs | jonni: yes, that was the problem. | 00:57 |
| xTs | as I said, I have no idea, why it was 2011... but it's late here ;) | 00:58 |
| jonni | good, that problem solved :) | 00:58 |
| mgedmin | oh, interesting | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80822 - 0.0.4 =) | 01:24 |
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| ieatlint | always liked tomato... does everything i need/want and doesn't have much hassle | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | but then, i don't use ipv6 | 01:33 |
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| mgedmin | hey, did aegis become more permissive in PR 1.1? | 01:56 |
| mgedmin | I copied a vmstat binary and its libraries, set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and ran it with no complaints | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, not afaik | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as vmstat doesn't need special permissions... | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | running arbitrary "normal" binaries under normal user always been possible | 02:07 |
| mgedmin | I remember permission denied errors with... uh... beta 1? on the n950? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | even shell scripts were verbotten back then | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | -t | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so are they allowed now? | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | yes | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | relaxed-exec? | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | *I* haven't touched it | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I can't comment as I never updated N950 | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 02:09 |
| ieatlint | thought you got an n9 though? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | that still on pr1.0? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I'd guess no | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | productinfo: PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_PR_001) | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2 sw-updates pending since 2011-12-12 | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | developer-mode and meego terminal | 02:13 |
| ieatlint | yeah, nothing exciting there | 02:13 |
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| e-yes[mac] | openmode kernel report: it doesn't boot without flashing. After flashing it works fine, certs are present | 02:28 |
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| e-yes | i can | 03:16 |
| e-yes | i can't boot any kernel using "-l -k -b", but "-k -f -R" - ok | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: tomato, the router firmware? it's pretty, but it doesn't do much of anything the stock firmware doesn't | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | the catch is that while you still have plugged it to USB, the system boots up to chaging mode act_dead, and you need to "switch it on" *prior* to unplugging it from USB | 03:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and of course it doesn't run on modern hardware now | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise it will power down when you unplug it, and thus your freshly loaded kerned evaporates into nirvana | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel* | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | e-yes: ~jr/bin/flasher_950_32 -l -b -k ~jr/Documents/N900/N950/openmodekernel-patched/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then press powerbutton to "switch it on", only *then* unplug from USB (or not) | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | e-yes: | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # ~jr/bin/flasher_950_32 --version | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher 3.12.0 (Jun 30 2011) Harmattan | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # id | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1000(sbox) | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | e-yes: ooh, and modprobe -r phonet | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cdc_phonet | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | all works all straight here | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt | 03:52 |
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| keithzg | Tomato can't run on modern hardware? Say what now? Methinks that be untrue. http://tomatousb.org/doc:build-types | 05:42 |
| keithzg | (there are other ports too; sure, Tomato doesn't do much more, but it does stuff far better, and hey, fancy graphs! Don't dismiss the power of fancy graphs.) | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Non-shit web interface. | 05:45 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | keithzg: hmm, that's a relatively recent fork | 06:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, say you want to use it as an access point, not a nat router | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you want two SSIDs | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you want each SSID to be bridged to a different VLAN | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with firmware like tomato, that's a no go | 06:57 |
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| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i don't want any of those things, and i run it on a 5ghz router | 10:23 |
| ieatlint | it does everything i want it to, including d-dns for my dns provider | 10:23 |
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| thp | M4rtinK: cool :) screenshot / video or photo of it? :) | 13:07 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: working on it :) | 13:35 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: http://www.modrana.org/touchpad_pygame/ | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | just had to add the Python directories to the system path variables | 13:55 |
| M4rtinK | and I just pasted the pygame directory where needed and everything so far just works | 13:55 |
| M4rtinK | including touch input on that python game | 13:56 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO it should be possible to create one (rather large) ipk that has all of this conveniently inside | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK | either standalone or added to the given PyGame based application | 14:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup sup guys | 14:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hate you for having one =) | 14:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | tried to buy it that day when ebay fall down =\ | 14:07 |
| thp | M4rtinK: can you post instructions somewhere on the web, so i can link it from my python-on-webos page? | 14:07 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: ok, I'll do a short guide & ping you ass soon it's done | 14:12 |
| thp | M4rtinK: thanks :) | 14:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm, ok i need to figure it out | 14:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is no way that someone has ovi updates thru global notification, right? | 14:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz someone on TMO trying to prove me opposite | 14:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i ant to buy hp touchpad | 14:56 |
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| rZr | ZogG_laptop: are there opensource firmware ? | 15:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: ? | 15:52 |
| rZr | the hp tp | 15:58 |
| rZr | can it run on opensource OS ? | 15:58 |
| nid0 | well webos is open source | 16:00 |
| nid0 | and it can run android | 16:00 |
| rZr | then have you rebuilt it ? | 16:01 |
| rZr | nid0: https://github.com/hpwebos/webos | 16:02 |
| rZr | should be quick to rebuild | 16:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rZr: it runs ubuntu/mer/gentoo | 16:04 |
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| rZr | good to know then | 16:16 |
| rZr | no closed bits ? | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: it was closed till they decided to close the project and go oss | 16:17 |
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| rZr | yes i know about | 16:26 |
| rZr | but i was wondering how open it could be | 16:26 |
| rZr | i guess there are closed driver remaining etc | 16:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't care if there are untill they are well supported | 16:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | never had problems with nvidia | 16:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | i it hildon on n9? | 16:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it hildon... | 16:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://kozhev.ru/gallery/albums/livejournal/robot.gif - sweet | 17:32 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: your project ? :) | 17:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i wish | 17:36 |
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| Jare | weird, I didn't get picture from tv-out using a standard 4-pin 3.5mm->rca cable, if I pushed the 3.5mm connector all the way into the jack of n9 | 18:22 |
| Jare | is there something special in the nokia ca-75u tv-out cable? | 18:23 |
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| Jare | i guess they are using a different pinout from the standard av-cable | 18:25 |
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| auenf | Jare, | 18:41 |
| auenf | the way nokia implemented the 4-pole AV cable is so the audio Poles lined up with a normal 3-pole 3.5mm stereo plug | 18:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping | 18:45 |
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| Jare | aha, so it's gnd, video, right, left.. well that makes sense based on how the av-cable worked | 18:49 |
| auenf | on a standard av-cable, red is video | 18:50 |
| auenf | nokia should be (from tip): white (right), red (left), yellow (video, port also auto senses that for mic), then GND | 18:51 |
| auenf | iirc, theres a nokia document about it | 18:52 |
| auenf | its something to do with matching a normal audio or headset cable | 18:53 |
| Jare | a normal audio cable should have left channel on the tip, but otherwise that's the same order I had in my mind | 18:55 |
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| auenf | whatever normal stereo 3.5mm is supposed to be, thats how the nokia av cable has the audio arranged | 19:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | whatever.... whatever.. i do what ever i want... (c) Cartman | 19:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what do you guys think about n9 cases? (i know this is #n9 material but it doesn't look like it's so active atm) | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it's awfully confusing when people use 'tmo' for talk.maemo.org and not t-mobile :p | 20:03 |
| rZr | itsnotabigtruck: ask batman | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | o.O | 20:09 |
| merlin1991 | tmo is tmo on #harmattan #n9 and #maemo :D | 20:09 |
| rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1146617#post1146617 | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol, snazzy | 20:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like there's the nokia oem cases (cp-571, cp-553, cp-556), the noreve case, the proporta case, a few others | 20:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991 rZr: are you guys using cases at all (besides the in-box thing)? | 20:14 |
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| faenil | hey everyone :) | 20:19 |
| faenil | what's up? :D | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: nope don't even use the rubber in box thing | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | faenil: hey, how about you - what case do you use on your n9? | 20:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: hmm, do you carry it around regularly? | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | when I had it I carried it 24/7, atm it's in care though due to a broken battery | 20:25 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: I have the rubber case on atm, but I have to say it ruins the experience, I don't have it on the Lumia :F | 20:28 |
| faenil | :D | 20:28 |
| faenil | though I'd be very sad if it would fall with no rubber case on.. | 20:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i'm mostly worried about it getting scratched up and stuff | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems like a proper case is the obvious option except that it's hard finding any conclusive opinions about which ones are awesome and which ones aren't | 20:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 20:31 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: I doubt you'll find anything better than the rubber case provided by Nokia | 20:33 |
| faenil | that's a highquality one, fits the phone perfectly | 20:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: M4rtinK ping | 20:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: ping | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: ? | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i saw you thanked for my small app, so i assume you tryed it | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | want to ask any advices on how to make ui more user-friendly | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | hmm | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | maybe "select file" or "load file" instead of "take file" ? | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | and "No file loaded/selected" | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | also, what does the "take file" button do anyway ? | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | i see just some gallery with something that looks like stock photos | 20:48 |
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| M4rtinK | direct selection of a file would be also useful - there is a QML Component for selecting files: http://wiki.meego.com/QML/FileSelector | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | I use it in Mieru and it's really nice :) | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | it might be also useful to show the current version on the about page + possible some contact information for interested users :) | 20:51 |
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| M4rtinK | and when you click on "copy" a "url copied to clipboard" notification would definitely add a nice touch :) | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | users get nervous when they click button and seemingly nothing happens | 20:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | :D | 20:53 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, pong | 21:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: what model do you use for pics? | 21:20 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, what do you mean? | 21:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | my app seems to show old pictures and not all of them | 21:27 |
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| posix | hello there | 22:22 |
| posix | can anyone point me some documentation for the N9 sms management and call records interface? | 22:23 |
| petteri | there is this maemo scrobbler package (send music to last.fm/libre.fm), but it lacks gui to configure (basically add to accounts username/password dialog or something). Any tips where to start if I would like to do one for it? | 22:24 |
| Richlv | on n9, is it possible to get neighbouring cell info ? | 22:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: can i advise you something? that would actually boost your app? | 22:33 |
| Elleo | petteri: you'd probably be best off talking to felipe about it, since he's the author of it, he did write some gui configuration stuff for maemo, so presumably he plans to for meego at some point as well | 22:33 |
| Elleo | petteri: not sure what his e-mail address is, but he's on twitter as @felipec | 22:34 |
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| petteri | Elleo: it has been like half a year since he published the scrobbler without the GUI, I am guessing that he is too busy doing something else | 22:34 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, sure | 22:35 |
| Elleo | petteri: he'd still be the best person to talk to, since ideally you'd want to do thing in such a way that he'd be happy to merge them into his version | 22:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I'm listening | 22:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: if you will use source: "file:///home/user/.thumbnails/grid/" + Qt.md5(url) + ".jpeg" instead of url, it would load images faster =) | 22:37 |
| petteri | Elleo: probably, but it would be neat if I could just send him a patch with the gui, because doing stuff gets it going, and if does not like it, I could always provide a fork :) | 22:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: anyway you need preview only | 22:37 |
| Elleo | petteri: well my intuition would be that'd probably want it to be done via the global harmattan settings app, since that's the approach he took under maemo | 22:38 |
| Elleo | but that's just my guess as to what he'd prefer | 22:39 |
| Elleo | he might rather have it just have it's own little configuration app or something | 22:39 |
| Elleo | although that seems excesive for just inputing a couple of usernames and passwords | 22:40 |
| Elleo | excessive* | 22:40 |
| petteri | yes, i was just looking how to add account settings, but could not find any official documentation | 22:40 |
| Elleo | petteri: well there's this for doing it as a general settings page: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Storing_and_managing_application_settings.html?tab=3&q=settings&sp=all | 22:43 |
| Elleo | dunno about integrating with the overall "accounts" system though, that might be overkill | 22:43 |
| Elleo | since it doesn't integrate with any of the other accounts based stuff like the feeds page or anything | 22:43 |
| petteri | Elleo: thanks | 22:44 |
| Elleo | and I think you'd need to switch the settings storage over to gconf | 22:44 |
| Elleo | instead of being just in a ~/.maemo-scrobbler.conf file (or whatever it's actually called) | 22:45 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, what is the size of those thumbnails? | 22:45 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I already load the previews in small sizes btw. | 22:45 |
| Elleo | petteri: let me know how you get on, I'm one of the libre.fm developers, so I'm quite fond of that package ;) | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you do but it takes time to load full images and scale them =) | 22:46 |
| petteri | Elleo: I will | 22:46 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, mhm. | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: btw how do you have reject and accept button in dialog? | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i use querydialog | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | in dialog i don't have those | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i do use qt quick 1.1 and not 1.0 as you and also i use com.nokia.meego | 22:48 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I use a custom component, not the meego components. | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you made it? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | yes | 22:53 |
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| Venemo | just look at the code | 22:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: meh, i don't want to use yours and don't want to start writing mine, i would do after i'll have stable release | 22:57 |
| Venemo | mhm. | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's wierd when i use dialog i get loop error | 23:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, weird indeed. | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/Dialog.qml:173:13: QML State: Binding loop detected for property "when" | 23:20 |
| Venemo | ok | 23:25 |
| Venemo | I need to leave now. bye! | 23:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | bye | 23:33 |
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