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| vadimq | is it possible to set up key based ssh access to the user account? Works with the developer one, but doesn't seem to be working for user | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need a password to make keys work (paradox, yes) | 01:16 |
| vadimq | need a password? | 01:16 |
| vadimq | here's what I'm up to: I found about the xclip commandline tool, which allows to manipulate the clipboard. That's awesome, now I can get text easier to the n9. The next idea is have a little program to ssh in and open a new tab in fennec, but I figure that has to run as "user". As developer I seem to get a new window | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | develsh | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | passwd user | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | xyz | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | xyz | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | done | 01:22 |
| vadimq | no, I want to log in with a ssh key. The ones that go in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the install your pubkey to ~user/.ssh/ | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and forget about the 2 at end | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you need a password set to make ssh work | 01:23 |
| vadimq | weird. But keys bypass passwords anyway. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but sshd refuses to log in to accounts that have empty password | 01:24 |
| vadimq | odd. Ahh, ok, thanks :-) | 01:24 |
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| corecode | what's up with this permission denied for root? | 02:21 |
| corecode | how can i find out which cwd some process uses? | 02:21 |
| buser | aegis? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | su user | 02:24 |
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| corecode | yea, aegis i guess | 02:28 |
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| luke-jr | corecode: N950/N9 are super DRM'd I hear | 03:41 |
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| djszapi | luke-jr: there is no DRM for Harmattan at all. It was dropped... | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: not what I heard. | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: and corecode sees to be experiencing it | 04:10 |
| djszapi | there is /no/ DRM for Harmattan at all, it has been dropped. | 04:11 |
| djszapi | that has nothing to do with DRM | 04:11 |
| djszapi | you would cry blood, if we do not drop that. | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | … | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: so I can flash my own custom kernel on a N950, etc? | 04:12 |
| djszapi | ofc, as it is even documented... | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | too bad I don't have one, and it's impossible to get one. | 04:12 |
| * luke-jr goes back to his N900 | 04:12 | |
| djszapi | please do not share completely incorrect technical thing that definitely. | 04:12 |
| djszapi | many people could flash own kernel here... sure, we are impossible. | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | impossible to get N950 I mean | 04:13 |
| djszapi | zillion people were able to get one earlier. | 04:14 |
| djszapi | and people keep getting N9s nowadays anyway. | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | N9 != N950 | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | and I wasn't able to get one. | 04:14 |
| djszapi | oh, really ? I have never realized this while developing for those..how surprise! | 04:15 |
| * luke-jr wouldn't pay a dime for a N9 | 04:15 | |
| djszapi | I do not even understand who N950 or N9 is a relevant note to the DRM matter. | 04:15 |
| djszapi | how* | 04:15 |
| luke-jr | topic changed. | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | topic is now "it doesn't matter, because I can't get a N950 anyway" | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | and N9 doesn't count because it's garbage | 04:16 |
| * djszapi yawns | 04:16 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Neglecting it's not possible to legally buy one. | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's my point :P | 04:18 |
| djszapi | it was really easy to get one. Bad for you you did not apply for one in time.. | 04:21 |
| djszapi | although, it seems most of the people die for N9 much better than N950. | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | I did. | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | I got ignored. | 04:22 |
| djszapi | your proposal was not interesting then in comparison with others | 04:23 |
| * luke-jr just finished soldering his N900's USB port down to the board | 04:23 | |
| luke-jr | hopefully it will last the next 3-4 years until someone comes out with a N900 killer | 04:23 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: to the corporate Microsoft slaves, I'm sure it didn't. | 04:23 |
| djszapi | N900 discussion on #maemo please. | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | my proposal was the same as the one I used for my N900: | 04:24 |
| luke-jr | porting and supporting Gentoo on it | 04:24 |
| djszapi | I do not wonder it got rejected at all | 04:25 |
| luke-jr | yeah, Nokia had already abandoned the handheld computer concept before N950 | 04:26 |
| djszapi | false | 04:26 |
| djszapi | N9 was way before than february | 04:26 |
| djszapi | we already developed for it at least one year ago. | 04:26 |
| luke-jr | N9 could never be a computer | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | it's lacking a keyboard | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | only good for a phone | 04:27 |
| djszapi | no, it has VKB | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | that's not a keyboard. | 04:27 |
| djszapi | Virtual /Keyboard/. | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | aka joke | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I could see myself buying the n9 hardware. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The lack of a physical keyboard isn't a killer. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The fact they won't even sell it to me, if I decided I wanted it... | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not even N9? | 04:28 |
| luke-jr | I thought that was just N950 | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | offensive incorrect statements about "a zillion people were able to get N950" on #defocus please. And stop acting as if this was your channel | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm in the UK. | 04:28 |
| djszapi | actually, Nokia was too friendly. They should have rejected the USB host mode proposal too since it is not possible to achieve. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I cannot get a N9 with a functional warranty. | 04:29 |
| djszapi | and probably many others, and give devices to achivable tasks. | 04:29 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: more like Nokia should have fixed USB host mode before shipping | 04:29 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: Gentoo on NITs is more than achievable | 04:29 |
| djszapi | Gentoo is exactly what most of the N9 users would never really like to see. | 04:30 |
| luke-jr | that's because N9 appeals to a new user base | 04:30 |
| luke-jr | phone users | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia should have saved the money it spent for platsec - useless cruft that just helps making things like hostmode nearly (but not really) impossible. Thanks to some few reasonable devels at Nokia we finally may achieve true open mode free for every user who doesn't think aegis is helping to protect his poor brain from flashing LEDs or useful hostmode | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yeah, maybe Nokia once been too friendly, but they cured that problem and gave us a platsec devel threating and insulting people on IRC | 04:39 |
| * luke-jr looks forward to DocScrutinizer's company hopefully finding success and moving on to more-than-phones in the future | 04:40 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, please. | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, Nokia didn't tell anybody to come here and harass us. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, probably not | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and assuming Nokia was too friendly actually means / implies "Nokia was too stupid". I'm rather irritated how some (ex-)Nokians talk about their former company and their former colleagues | 05:11 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:21 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:19 |
| strannik1 | Oi | 07:19 |
| strannik1 | I asked you a question haha | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | I didn't see no hilight | 07:20 |
| strannik1 | Dm8tbr: whats up? Why are you moaning? | 07:20 |
| strannik1 | Ah fair enough in meego i asked if £550 was a lot for the n9 | 07:20 |
| strannik1 | 64gb | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | because it's mo(a|r)ning | 07:21 |
| strannik1 | Ahh :) | 07:21 |
| strannik1 | Yea i cant sleep and my body clock is all messed up . So i am awake | 07:21 |
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| strannik1 | Are you in the uk aswell? | 07:22 |
| dm8tbr | no, in .fi | 07:22 |
| strannik1 | Cool :) | 07:22 |
| dm8tbr | although I use UTC, so half of the year we use the same time-zone | 07:22 |
| strannik1 | Yea i asked you before ,, just remembered | 07:22 |
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| strannik1 | How much does the n9 cost in the land of the finns | 07:23 |
| strannik1 | Dm8tbr: or do you use the n950 only? | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | I think they pretty much still ask list prices, which is insane | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | but haven't checked | 07:24 |
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| strannik1 | Yea £550 pounds , that will leave me eating dry bread till xmas | 07:25 |
| strannik1 | I am a student | 07:25 |
| strannik1 | Hey doc | 07:26 |
| dm8tbr | few more quid here | 07:26 |
| dm8tbr | as that translates to just 650eur and here it costs 699 | 07:26 |
| strannik1 | Although i am really tempted, even if it means no food till about xmas | 07:26 |
| strannik1 | Oh wow | 07:27 |
| strannik1 | Thats a lot | 07:27 |
| strannik1 | Apparently it sold out in finnland straight away? | 07:27 |
| strannik1 | According to engadget at least | 07:27 |
| strannik1 | Dm8tbr: have they got rid of the lag problems in the new firmware? | 07:28 |
| strannik1 | Dm8tbr: facebook lag ... Also tapping the top bar while scrolling used to cause horrible lag apparently | 07:29 |
| dm8tbr | didn't notice any such problems | 07:31 |
| strannik1 | Cool , maybe someone was just being nitpicky | 07:32 |
| djszapi | I have never experienced such problems either. | 07:33 |
| strannik1 | Good stuff :) damm now i am going to run to the bank transfer nearly all my cash and get the n9 | 07:33 |
| strannik1 | And stay hungry till xmas | 07:33 |
| strannik1 | Maybe i will go to the casino first and play some poker | 07:34 |
| strannik1 | Win a few hundered pounds on that sometimes | 07:34 |
| strannik1 | ... Its sucks being a student ha | 07:34 |
| Jare_ | people are selling a couple of days/weeks old devices here for about 200 eur less than the list prices are | 07:35 |
| strannik1 | Jare_: are people not happy with it? | 07:36 |
| Jare_ | i bought one factory sealed 64GB for 520eur ;) | 07:36 |
| strannik1 | Wow | 07:36 |
| strannik1 | How did you do that? | 07:36 |
| Jare_ | nah, i think they are just keen try everything new even if they don't need it | 07:37 |
| djszapi | strannik1: I know a person, got 3 devices for free at the qt dev days :) | 07:37 |
| Jare_ | yeah that too, i don't know if the seller had won another one from somewhere | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | Djszapi: n950s or n9s???? | 07:38 |
| djszapi | n9 of course | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | Why am i the only one who isnt getting a free n9/50 | 07:38 |
| djszapi | without any loan contract | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | Wow | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | What | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | How? | 07:38 |
| strannik1 | Can you guys "hook me up" | 07:39 |
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| djszapi | sadly, it was only blue. :) | 07:39 |
| strannik1 | A free blue one haha .. I will take 5 of them if they dont want it Xd | 07:40 |
| strannik1 | XD | 07:40 |
| strannik1 | Is the blue one nicer? | 07:40 |
| psycho_oreos | blue N9? | 07:40 |
| strannik1 | I have never actually seen the n9 in real life | 07:40 |
| psycho_oreos | err you meant cyan | 07:40 |
| strannik1 | Yea everyone says blue/cyan | 07:41 |
| strannik1 | Hi psycho oreos | 07:41 |
| dm8tbr | magenta is so much nicer ;) | 07:41 |
| djszapi | psycho_oreos: wanted to have pink | 07:41 |
| dm8tbr | can you say pppiiiiiiink ponies? | 07:41 |
| djszapi | oops, strannik1 ^ | 07:41 |
| strannik1 | Hahaha | 07:41 |
| strannik1 | XD | 07:41 |
| psycho_oreos | djszapi, which is magenta.. the closest colour to pink | 07:41 |
| strannik1 | Yea | 07:42 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah there's like a few males whom want magenta coloured N9 | 07:42 |
| strannik1 | Psycho_oreos: got an n9 yet? | 07:42 |
| djszapi | I do not care about you call it, if we know :) | 07:42 |
| dm8tbr | I've seen one in piano black, that I'd like | 07:42 |
| strannik1 | The white one doesnt look bad | 07:42 |
| djszapi | psycho_oreos: I have blue, white, used to have black | 07:42 |
| psycho_oreos | you know.. you can easily get any coloured N9 and then put on one of those coloured silicon cases | 07:42 |
| Jare_ | press and inks are so last century, so everything must be RGB nowadays ;) | 07:42 |
| psycho_oreos | strannik1, no | 07:42 |
| djszapi | err, again wrong person, strannik1 ^ | 07:42 |
| dm8tbr | don't forget silver ;) | 07:42 |
| djszapi | strannik1: pink is the only missing from the collection of mine :p | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | djszapi, what.. cyan, white and black N9? | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | you're nuts | 07:43 |
| strannik1 | Djszapi: lol ok you are just messing with ne | 07:43 |
| strannik1 | Me | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | strannik1, no but may get N9.. still am happy with N900s :) | 07:43 |
| djszapi | no, my mother would prefer pink | 07:44 |
| strannik1 | Yea i know you have three of em :) | 07:44 |
| djszapi | same with my elder syster, so I would just like to present them nicely. | 07:44 |
| psycho_oreos | strannik1, three black ones :) | 07:44 |
| strannik1 | Psycho_oreos: btw have you got in touch with the la resistance? ;) | 07:44 |
| psycho_oreos | strannik1, nope, you? | 07:44 |
| strannik1 | Nope :( | 07:44 |
| strannik1 | But i am working on it | 07:45 |
| strannik1 | Djszapi: really what looks better. Blue or black? | 07:45 |
| psycho_oreos | the device is still being handed out but only to those in | 07:45 |
| djszapi | strannik1: I dislike black phones | 07:45 |
| djszapi | strannik1: so for me, blue. | 07:45 |
| strannik1 | Cool | 07:46 |
| strannik1 | I will check out the luna 800 next time i am in town | 07:46 |
| strannik1 | That way i can tell if i like blue or black | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | or the 'hooker800' as I like to call it ;) | 07:46 |
| strannik1 | I kinda dislike black .. Apart from apple , not many people can make the black look nice | 07:47 |
| strannik1 | Hahaha | 07:47 |
| strannik1 | Yea | 07:47 |
| psycho_oreos | don't forget the horrid windows symbol at front | 07:47 |
| strannik1 | Its a joke that troll elop is even selling windows phones | 07:47 |
| psycho_oreos | make sure to always hit it with pride :þ | 07:47 |
| strannik1 | Yea | 07:47 |
| strannik1 | Lol | 07:47 |
| djszapi | strannik1: why ? It has very positive feedbacks. | 07:48 |
| dm8tbr | I'm sure you can install harmattan on that... *snerk* *giggle* *bwahahahaha* | 07:48 |
| djszapi | it is really good for Nokia. | 07:48 |
| djszapi | way much better than meego was ever | 07:48 |
| psycho_oreos | and your point of investing in N9 was for? | 07:48 |
| djszapi | the problem was not N9, the problem was the "true" meego investigation | 07:49 |
| strannik1 | N9 is the last nokia flagship phone in my opinion | 07:49 |
| djszapi | and its fail | 07:49 |
| strannik1 | Aegis? | 07:49 |
| djszapi | strannik1: the feature phone might also be cool | 07:49 |
| djszapi | it is running qt5 | 07:49 |
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| strannik1 | Wait so what do you mean by true meego investigation? | 07:51 |
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| djszapi | strannik1: meego upstream kernel, meego rpm jobs, meego ce and all that stuff | 07:51 |
| djszapi | which epically failed business-wise | 07:51 |
| djszapi | more investigation happened (many times more) than into Windows, and WP already has good feedback, thus it is kinda obvious way of going for Nokia. | 07:52 |
| djszapi | dropping Harmattan is sad, though. | 07:53 |
| strannik1 | Well they did really nicely with the n9 os ,, they should keep on using the os | 07:54 |
| djszapi | yes, but that is not true meego | 07:54 |
| strannik1 | Because of aegis? | 07:55 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 07:55 |
| djszapi | it is a maemo successor. | 07:55 |
| djszapi | aka maemo 6 | 07:55 |
| djszapi | maemo was never equal to meego | 07:55 |
| strannik1 | But its only a few different packeges | 07:56 |
| djszapi | and they focus on qt5 which is probably the feature phone, not Harmattan anyway | 07:56 |
| strannik1 | Updated / some different librarys | 07:56 |
| djszapi | strannik1: no, it is a different kernel | 07:56 |
| djszapi | it is completely different from the ground up | 07:56 |
| strannik1 | Oh | 07:56 |
| djszapi | only the highest level-api is similar/same | 07:56 |
| djszapi | but qt is also standardize the high level interface for windows and linux. Yet, you do not call them same, you do not call Linux, Windows ;-) | 07:57 |
| psycho_oreos | !seen qgil | 07:57 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | qgil was last seen 9 weeks, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying '* qgil too' in #meego. | 07:57 |
| strannik1 | So is it better than maemo5? | 07:58 |
| djszapi | I would say different. | 07:58 |
| strannik1 | I guess maemo doesnt have aegis | 07:59 |
| psycho_oreos | thankfully | 07:59 |
| djszapi | maemo does have aegis | 07:59 |
| strannik1 | But to be fair ,, you can install "real" meego onto the n9 .. So whats the problen? | 07:59 |
| djszapi | maemo6*, that is | 07:59 |
| strannik1 | Oh lol | 07:59 |
| djszapi | you lose the warranty | 07:59 |
| strannik1 | Yea | 07:59 |
| djszapi | and that is a very big problem if you pay 699 EUR | 07:59 |
| djszapi | don't you think ? :) | 07:59 |
| petteri | heheh reading the discussion, it seems strannik1 just spams here with lines: eagis | 08:00 |
| strannik1 | Whats if you reflash it? | 08:00 |
| strannik1 | Petteri: hahaha so true | 08:00 |
| strannik1 | XD | 08:00 |
| djszapi | strannik1: does not make the warranty void outdated. | 08:00 |
| strannik1 | Djszapi: if you reflash it you get your warranty back | 08:00 |
| djszapi | :)))) | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | certainly the message disappears | 08:01 |
| strannik1 | Is there anyway of them knowing | 08:01 |
| djszapi | not really as far as I know (I mean on policy-level) | 08:01 |
| djszapi | yes, there is | 08:01 |
| djszapi | actually, pretty simple. | 08:01 |
| strannik1 | How? | 08:01 |
| djszapi | and that is why I would never put mer, plasma active and similar things onto my phone because I think it is a cool phone, and losing the warranty after 699 EUR ... well | 08:01 |
| strannik1 | You could just take a soldering iron and heat up a few resistors if you ever need to send it in for a repair | 08:02 |
| strannik1 | That way they wont be able to tell if you put on any other os ;) | 08:02 |
| strannik1 | Problem solved boom :) | 08:02 |
| djszapi | I am not speaking about direct cheaters and liars | 08:03 |
| djszapi | I am speaking about sincere people. | 08:03 |
| strannik1 | So am I .. You bought the damm phone .. Why cant you put any os you want onto it | 08:03 |
| djszapi | because the vendor does not allow you. It is that simple. | 08:04 |
| djszapi | why would Nokia take the guarantee for any images ? I think nobody takes the warranty for that | 08:04 |
| djszapi | it is not any Nokis specific. | 08:04 |
| strannik1 | No but surely if your hardware breaks , and a firmware reflash does not work nokia should fix it | 08:04 |
| strannik1 | I mean , if you can put on the original firmware .. And the phone is still not working | 08:05 |
| strannik1 | It probably just malfunctioned and is not your fault... | 08:05 |
| Jare_ | duh, there's no other way to call an alphanumeric sip address (for example user1@domain) than editing it into a temporary contact? | 08:05 |
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| djszapi | strannik1: if you play with the cards inside the warranty requirement, you will get assistance | 08:06 |
| djszapi | no doubt about that. | 08:06 |
| dm8tbr | Jare_: is that possible with the contacts application? last time I tried that it didn't work for me | 08:07 |
| dm8tbr | oh, seems to work | 08:09 |
| dm8tbr | weird | 08:09 |
| dm8tbr | hmno I can't see the entry, weird | 08:10 |
| dm8tbr | ok, so you can't see it if you reopen the entry, but it's actually there | 08:10 |
| Milhouse | @Jare_: Probably, I can call sipgate.co.uk users because they're numeric usernames, but there appears no way to call sip users on another domain from the dialer | 08:12 |
| Milhouse | (I'm on sipgate.co.uk) | 08:12 |
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| Milhouse | Also Jare_, can you do me a favour? Check bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=281 | 08:13 |
| Milhouse | Just raised it in the last hour as I noticed SIP was crashing Contacts | 08:13 |
| dm8tbr | Milhouse: yeah, seems to happen | 08:14 |
| Milhouse | dm8tbr: Good, at least it's reproducible | 08:14 |
| Milhouse | thanks | 08:14 |
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| Jare_ | dm8tbr: it doesn't show the entry, if the contact contains only one sip account | 08:33 |
| Jare_ | Milhouse: yep, the dialer should have an option to enter a full sip address. I'm able to reproduce that bug, but not with every string | 08:35 |
| Milhouse | hmm, funny it's not every string in that case, but at least it should be enough for them to identify and resolve the issue. Might be worth a comment if you have bugzilla access? | 08:36 |
| Milhouse | About the dialer, I guess it will need an enhancement raised. I only know one person with a SIP account so it's not exactly a major issue for me! :) | 08:37 |
| Jare_ | now that i have added five sip addresses into one contact, how am i supposed to delete those without deleting the whole contact? | 08:37 |
| Milhouse | Jare: aha! unmerge | 08:37 |
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| Milhouse | It lists the services, you tap on those you want split out, then you manually delete them once they have become individual contacts | 08:38 |
| Milhouse | it's total bollox, i raised a bug for that | 08:38 |
| Jare_ | and that unmerges all of them into the root folder | 08:38 |
| Jare_ | yep | 08:38 |
| Milhouse | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=110 | 08:38 |
| Milhouse | although it relates to the Google Talk service, it also appear to be applicable to SIP as well, and probably others. | 08:39 |
| Milhouse | Says it's been fixed, no idea *how* | 08:39 |
| Milhouse | Actually, will ask... | 08:39 |
| mosty | since the qt mobility network bearer api is not available in harmattan, i'm trying to find out what it's replaced by. looks like i can monitor the network state with QNetworkConfigurationManager, but how can i request a new network connection (ie open the "connect to internet" dialog) ? | 08:41 |
| Jare_ | btw unmerge doesn't work with those sip addresses. If i unmerge four of five, the original contact will become completely empty and those four unmerged ones will appear in the root folder | 08:41 |
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| Milhouse | those how it works, no? | 08:42 |
| Milhouse | although I've only ever added - and then unmerged - one username on one contact. | 08:42 |
| Jare_ | it shouldn't lose the other fields in the original contact? | 08:43 |
| Milhouse | no, it shouldn't | 08:43 |
| Jare_ | well that's what it does | 08:43 |
| Milhouse | ok, another bug? | 08:43 |
| Jare_ | seems to be | 08:43 |
| Milhouse | it doesn't seem to do that when i've unmerged | 08:43 |
| Milhouse | but as i say, i only unmerged a single service | 08:44 |
| Milhouse | are you unmerging multiple services at once? | 08:44 |
| Jare_ | yes, but it does the same thing even if i try to unmerge only one sip service | 08:46 |
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| Milhouse | which fields are disappearing? | 08:47 |
| Milhouse | name? | 08:47 |
| Milhouse | work telephone? | 08:48 |
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| Milhouse | ha, yes, reproducibel | 08:50 |
| Milhouse | i just created a contact with name/home tel/mobile tel and four SIP services; unmerged one of the four SIP services and the contact now contains Name/Home Tel (no mobile tel) and no SIP services | 08:51 |
| Milhouse | Only the unmerged SIP service is in root, the other 3 have just disappeared | 08:51 |
| Milhouse | Are you going to raise this defect or shall I? | 08:52 |
| Jare_ | mobile tel and all other sip services than the unmerged one. You may write it, if you feel like typing one more :) | 08:58 |
| Milhouse | ok, will post the url when i'm done. :) | 08:59 |
| Milhouse | if you can comment/confirm/vote that would be good | 08:59 |
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| Jare_ | yes i will. Stupid bugs, i'm beginning to feel that they have done a bit of a sloppy job on testing some things | 09:04 |
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| Milhouse | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282 | 09:09 |
| Milhouse | From what I can see, Services and Contacts was thrown together at the last minute | 09:09 |
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| yipdw | ah ha, I see what djszapi was referring to when he was talking about XML for the accounts manager, I think | 09:26 |
| yipdw | /usr/share/accounts/{services,providers,service-types} | 09:26 |
| yipdw | a shame none of this appears to be documented | 09:26 |
| yipdw | though at first glance it all looks pretty domain-specific anyway, so maybe there's not much point in documentation | 09:27 |
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| dm8tbr | yipdw: is there something for google chat? | 09:37 |
| * dm8tbr checks his device | 09:37 | |
| dm8tbr | ah google-talk.service very good, very good *rubhands* | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | this should be a walk in the park then | 09:39 |
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| * dm8tbr senses conveniently usable XMPP in the near future | 09:39 | |
| yipdw | dm8tbr: I don't yet understand how all of those yet interact with the plugins themselves, but yeah | 09:39 |
| yipdw | I wonder what'll happen if I just dump a set of XML files on my device | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, I'd just copy them off, read them and clone the google-talk ones | 09:40 |
| yipdw | also, something else I'd really love to have as a layer that crosses all text IM services is OTR support | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | is there OTR for telepathy? | 09:40 |
| yipdw | haven't looked :P | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | then do :) | 09:41 |
| yipdw | sigh | 09:41 |
| yipdw | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891 | 09:42 |
| yipdw | as seems to be the case with a lot of these things, it starts off with a feature request and then spirals off into inane flames | 09:42 |
| yipdw | it looks like some degree of support exists in https://gitorious.org/jprvita-repos/telepathy-gabble/blobs/otr/src/im-channel-otr.c | 09:43 |
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| yipdw | haha | 10:17 |
| yipdw | so, cloning a "Jabber" service and provider...kinda works | 10:17 |
| yipdw | when I go to register a Jabber service, I get username and password fields, which is all good, but then hitting "Sign In" gives me "qtn_acc_storing_err_undefined" in a pop-up | 10:19 |
| yipdw | not quite sure what that means | 10:19 |
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| djszapi | mmm, javispedro's icon generator does not load here: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ | 10:27 |
| djszapi | is there another simple way to generate a harmattan icon ? | 10:28 |
| djszapi | oh it is ok now. | 10:29 |
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| jonni | illustrator and photoshop templates are here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/downloads/NokiaN9_Icon_Templates.zip | 10:45 |
| gri | there are also inkscape templates since two weeks :) | 10:45 |
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| djszapi | are there artists here ? | 10:46 |
| djszapi | I have a slightly wide icon for the account plugin, and javispedro's tool does not accept it. It would not probably even look cool on the applauncher :) | 10:47 |
| gri | if there were artists in here I would not wait for an icon since two weeks :/ | 10:47 |
| gri | btw. djszapi do you deploy your icon to the theme dir? | 10:48 |
| gri | or somewhere else? | 10:48 |
| djszapi | it is just normal icon referenced from the desktop file | 10:48 |
| gri | ah damn | 10:48 |
| gri | since the icons in "Accounts" don't seem to accept absolute paths :( | 10:49 |
| djszapi | it would not be accounts | 10:49 |
| djszapi | it would be for applauncher, to open up the relevant account directly, like skype does. | 10:49 |
| gri | well, you still need a service icon (if not already there) | 10:49 |
| djszapi | that pretty much works. | 10:50 |
| djszapi | but no, I do not have service icon | 10:50 |
| djszapi | I do not have service plugin either | 10:50 |
| djszapi | just provider plugin. That is enough for me after all | 10:50 |
| gri | yeah I meant provider and said service .. | 10:51 |
| djszapi | :) | 10:51 |
| djszapi | well, I can have access to the other codes, so it is gonna be a copy/paste | 10:51 |
| gri | nokia worked around a bug I have :( | 10:52 |
| gri | they put all icons into the theme, account-plugin-youtube for example does not bring a icon with itself since it's already in the theme | 10:52 |
| gri | in contrary my application can't use a existing icon, so I have to install one into the theme dir. But that damn theme cache is not regenerated without rebooting the phone | 10:53 |
| djszapi | of course you can regenerate it | 10:53 |
| gri | tell me how, I've been looking for days | 10:53 |
| djszapi | not well enough :)) | 10:54 |
| gri | I browsed meegotouch sources | 10:54 |
| gri | found imgcachegen which crashes when using it | 10:55 |
| gri | no dbus interfaces to restart the theme daemon | 10:55 |
| gri | the MRemoteTheme does not have a option to reload cache | 10:55 |
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| matrixx | would be nice if mthemedaemon could be restarted | 10:56 |
| matrixx | then themechanger wouldn't need a reboot to work | 10:56 |
| jonni | have you tried to embed the icon into control file? ;) | 10:56 |
| djszapi | there has been some stupid issues about icons not coming visible without reboot | 10:56 |
| jonni | that way icon shows up atleast | 10:56 |
| djszapi | what control file ? | 10:57 |
| jonni | debian/control | 10:57 |
| djszapi | mmm, actually I found a bug report about it | 10:57 |
| gri | jonni: that's only the package icon | 10:57 |
| djszapi | jonni: what do you mean ? | 10:57 |
| djszapi | gri: I guess resource does not work either | 10:57 |
| jonni | XB-Maemo-Icon-26: | 10:57 |
| gri | resource? | 10:58 |
| gri | jonni: I have this but it has nothing to do with theme dir | 10:58 |
| djszapi | gri: can you tell me an example btw ? | 10:58 |
| djszapi | what I could check out for that icon. | 10:58 |
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| gri | djszapi: copy some icon inside /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons | 10:59 |
| gri | name it "dummyicon.png" | 10:59 |
| djszapi | no, I mean Ui example | 10:59 |
| djszapi | where it should appear, example app where it works etc | 10:59 |
| gri | "Accounts" | 10:59 |
| gri | those images like skype has | 10:59 |
| gri | there are no 3rdparty account plugins yet | 10:59 |
| djszapi | that is a simple listitem I did. | 10:59 |
| djszapi | well, at least my friend has one third party one | 10:59 |
| gri | all those images in my "Accounts" are from nokia | 10:59 |
| djszapi | I will read the internal bugreport about it, but I need to rush now, sorry. | 11:01 |
| gri | djszapi: Then please take a look whether he uses a nokia icon or a custom one | 11:01 |
| djszapi | how is an icon related to themes ? | 11:02 |
| gri | since they are in the theme dir | 11:02 |
| djszapi | apart from having it in a theme dir | 11:02 |
| gri | if you load them by qml "image://theme/some-icon" | 11:02 |
| djszapi | imho, it should not matter where an icon is placed. | 11:02 |
| gri | and accounts-ui also uses MTheme to load icons | 11:03 |
| djszapi | if you can reference to that as an absolute path. | 11:03 |
| djszapi | they should have just grabbed KIcon, and it would work :) | 11:03 |
| djszapi | I mean the theory of that. | 11:03 |
| gri | if I place an absolute path in the .provider file that accounts-ui parses, I see an red rectangle forever | 11:04 |
| djszapi | what is wrong about regenerating from postinstall script ? | 11:05 |
| djszapi | valgrind ? | 11:05 |
| djszapi | what is the crash, backtrace ? | 11:05 |
| djszapi | thread backtrace* | 11:05 |
| gri | no Idea, don't have debug symbols | 11:05 |
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| djszapi | ok I have. | 11:05 |
| djszapi | I will try. | 11:05 |
| djszapi | and it did not crash for a Nokia image ? That is weird | 11:08 |
| gri | I just let it run, so it should have cached the whole theme again | 11:09 |
| gri | and crashed there | 11:09 |
| gri | it also showed output about not being able to write some images for unknown reason | 11:10 |
| djszapi | The problem seems to be that icon defined in .provider file is loaded through themeserver. Themeserver reads new icons only when it is started(bootup). .Desktop file icons have same problem but in .desktop files it is possible to define icons with full path. If full path is used then icon is loaded directly from filesystem not via themeserver. This full path trick unfortunately doesn't work with accounts. | 11:10 |
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| gri | that's exactly my problem :) | 11:11 |
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| yipdw | just to add: I'm adding a Jabber provider and service, and I'm hitting the same issue that gri's having | 11:15 |
| djszapi | gri: aegis does not allow you to load icons!! ;) | 11:18 |
| gri | djszapi: It would become beoring if it's always aegis :P | 11:18 |
| gri | boring* | 11:19 |
| djszapi | I know man... | 11:19 |
| djszapi | it is probably willnotfix category in the near future (next half a year or more) | 11:21 |
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| djszapi | if it gets fixed at all. | 11:22 |
| gri | what happens if I kill themedaemon and restart it? | 11:22 |
| gri | all processes crash? :D | 11:22 |
| djszapi | why not try ? | 11:22 |
| djszapi | but you do not need to kill it for restarting hopefully. | 11:23 |
| gri | I already tried what happens when I start it a second time -> system becomes unresponsive | 11:23 |
| djszapi | no need to start it second time. | 11:23 |
| djszapi | that does not serve any good purpose. :) | 11:23 |
| gri | well it was I tried "themedaemon --help" and it tried to start a second time :P | 11:23 |
| djszapi | aegis broke it :P | 11:24 |
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| yipdw | kill -HUP on themedaemon seems to do something | 11:26 |
| djszapi | kill will just not pass the OVI QA. | 11:27 |
| yipdw | not sure if it's regenerating the icon cache, but doing that definitely did affect a bunch of icons, including those in Accounts | 11:27 |
| djszapi | so imho, futile to investigate | 11:27 |
| yipdw | oh yeah, I know that | 11:27 |
| djszapi | restart should be investigated, if any. | 11:27 |
| * gri hopes the applauncherd restart passes ovi store | 11:28 | |
| djszapi | well, if it does not, hopefully for a good reason. | 11:28 |
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| gri | I already found a cool "feature" with that | 11:29 |
| gri | if you install my package from console - no problem | 11:30 |
| gri | if you install from ui, the applauncherd restart closes all visible applications | 11:30 |
| yipdw | gotta get to bed, but if anyone's interested: https://github.com/yipdw/harmattan-jabber-account | 11:31 |
| yipdw | (it's obviously incomplete) | 11:31 |
| yipdw | but it's enough to at least get a Jabber entry in the Accounts screen; will poke at it tomorrow | 11:32 |
| corecode | hi | 11:32 |
| RST38h | Moo, all | 11:32 |
| corecode | is there a signal i can catch when the usb mass storage mode is activated? | 11:32 |
| corecode | to close open files so that MyDocs can be unmounted | 11:32 |
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| Corsac | fwiw, I got a reply from my source code request | 11:56 |
| corecode | and? | 11:57 |
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| gabriel9 | my n9 just turn off, now i can't turn it on :/ | 11:59 |
| gabriel9 | help | 12:00 |
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| corecode | empty battery? | 12:01 |
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| gabriel9 | i put it on recharger and it show icon for charging | 12:04 |
| gabriel9 | i hope it will be OK | 12:05 |
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| corecode | yipdw: let me know if you need help or testers | 12:11 |
| corecode | yipdw: very much interested in getting this to work | 12:11 |
| djszapi | Corsac: what reply ? | 12:22 |
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| Corsac | djszapi: that PR1.1 source code was only available on dvd for now, and that they could send it to me if I provided mail details | 12:26 |
| Corsac | very helpful mail, all in all | 12:26 |
| Corsac | (though they don't seem very happy to only have the DVD option right now) | 12:26 |
| vadimq | that's odd. | 12:27 |
| Corsac | why? | 12:27 |
| vadimq | wouldn't it be easier to put it on the web than to burn and mail DVDs for people? | 12:27 |
| djszapi | vadimq: no | 12:28 |
| nibbler | probably obscure legal reasons | 12:28 |
| djszapi | not obscure, actually I told yesterday the valid technical reason. | 12:28 |
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| phunguy | hey everyone | 12:29 |
| gri | what source code did he request? kernel? | 12:30 |
| Corsac | gri: yes | 12:30 |
| Corsac | though I think they'll provide everything | 12:30 |
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| Corsac | s/$/\ under GPL/ | 12:30 |
| djszapi | yes, I told yesterday, just be patient :)) | 12:30 |
| phunguy | i'm trying to mount a remote samba share on my n9. I am ssh'd in as root, however when i run the mount command I get "are you sure you're root?" error | 12:30 |
| phunguy | any ideas? | 12:30 |
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| Corsac | a valid technical reason is that they might fear to fail running the tar command and include the sources of nokia binaries :) | 12:31 |
| phunguy | eek just read the topic, i'm guessing my question might be better suited for #N9 | 12:32 |
| vadimq | they might as well package the wrong thing on the DVD | 12:32 |
| vadimq | phunguy: short answer: there's this annoying thing called "aegis" that adds an extra permissions system, and root is limited by it as well | 12:32 |
| djszapi | Corsac: you can be ironic, but it does not help | 12:33 |
| djszapi | phunguy: you cannot do that by default. | 12:33 |
| phunguy | ahh, thanks for the short answer. I'll try and read up to see how to bypass. I'm guessing this isn't as open as my old N900. | 12:34 |
| djszapi | it is completely different audience. | 12:34 |
| * phunguy pops my selfcut microsim into an adapter and back into my n900 | 12:35 | |
| phunguy | heh | 12:35 |
| vadimq | phunguy: as far as I gather, the current best way is to build a new kernel, patch the aegis part to say, always allow everything, and flash that to the phone | 12:35 |
| Corsac | djszapi: I thought you were the one being ironic? | 12:36 |
| djszapi | Corsac: how so ? | 12:36 |
| Corsac | djszapi: see your logs from yesterday? | 12:37 |
| djszapi | nothing ironic there. I was quite serious. | 12:38 |
| djszapi | that is the technical reason of the SDK team they did not publish it. | 12:38 |
| vadimq | what reason? | 12:39 |
| phunguy | ugggh. I just read the post about "Nokia and aegis" on the meego forums. This seems like a huge PITA | 12:39 |
| djszapi | it is PITA people cannot accept the platform or leave, but complain and swear. | 12:40 |
| vadimq | nothing ever changes when people don't complain | 12:41 |
| djszapi | oh yeah, swearing is the way, I forgot.. | 12:42 |
| phunguy | djszapi> I agree. I guess, in the end, its my fault for not reading more into the platform. | 12:43 |
| vadimq | if you have a problem with that you shouldn't do it yourself :-) | 12:43 |
| phunguy | So the only way for me to mount a samba share is to build a new kernel to disable aegis or "allow all"? | 12:44 |
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| vadimq | phunguy: apparently. Also it seems the source for PR1.1 isn't released on the web yet, Corsac here is apparently going to get them mailed on DVD | 12:50 |
| phunguy | Well. Samba sharing for me isn't a necessity for me at the moment. I'll wait for PR1.2 and see what the community comes up with before I take the solo route | 12:53 |
| phunguy | reading the back-and-forth on the thread I mentioned... I can see it from both sides, although I tend to lean towards havin the ability/choice to disable aegis. | 12:54 |
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| phunguy | alas, bedtime. thanks for the info gents | 12:57 |
| djszapi | phunguy: useless to wait | 12:58 |
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| djszapi | smb's license is not accepted by nokia (gpl3), so even if someone is porting it, it will not have the proper credential for the correct operation. | 12:59 |
| djszapi | if that was possible any attackers could get just "mount out" there original security files and so forth. | 12:59 |
| djszapi | which would probably brick your device. | 13:00 |
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| vadimq | I don't see how the license and the credentials for correct operation are related | 13:03 |
| djszapi | quite simple: if it does not come from Nokia repository, it cannot have the operation. | 13:03 |
| phunguy | djszapi> bottom line, this stuff should be accessable, especially in developer mode. | 13:03 |
| djszapi | if Nokia does not accept the license and software, it is not gonna be in the nokia repository. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | phunguy: no | 13:04 |
| djszapi | phunguy: developer mode is intended for developing applications into OVI. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | whatever OVI defines. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | and it has nothing to do with aegis, up to OVI. | 13:04 |
| phunguy | users should have control over devices they purchase, end of story | 13:04 |
| leinir | *clears throat* Ovi is a word, not an abbreviation ;) | 13:04 |
| phunguy | regardless of licenses or whatever | 13:05 |
| phunguy | if i paid $750 for a device, i want to be able to make full use of it | 13:05 |
| svuorela | Ovi kiini! | 13:05 |
| djszapi | leinir: true, thanks :) | 13:05 |
| vadimq | I don't care about ovi, I'll just flash the kernel and install whatever I want with whatever permissions I deem necessary | 13:05 |
| RST38h | Ah, djszapi is raving about his favorite topic again | 13:05 |
| djszapi | phunguy: better question: why do you pay a device, where you cannot act ? | 13:05 |
| svuorela | (a much used phrase related to sauna usage with new people) | 13:05 |
| djszapi | why don't you choose a device according to your need ? | 13:05 |
| RST38h | About these stupid Harmattan users not leaving Harmattan after finding out about beautiful Aegis goodness... | 13:06 |
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| djszapi | svuorela: true :P | 13:06 |
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| phunguy | djszapi> I already owned up to that. I figured with a beautiful devices such as the N900, the N9 would just enhance on it. I was obviously wrong. That is not going to stop me from getting what I want tho. You can argue till you are blue in the face about licencing and what is intended, etc, etc. The bottom line is, most developers want free access to their device. | 13:07 |
| djszapi | phunguy: so why not use N900 instead of ranting here ? | 13:07 |
| djszapi | if you do not liek how it works ? | 13:07 |
| phunguy | I'm only responding to your questions. I came in here, asked a few questions, and I was satisfied with the answers I received. The only reason this conversation is still going is because you dragged on the issue and had to put in your 2 cents about why things are they way they are. | 13:09 |
| vadimq | djszapi: My take: It doesn't matter how the device acts by default. What Nokia thinks it should be doing is entirely irrelevant. It's mine and I'll do whatever I want with it | 13:09 |
| phunguy | ^ agreed | 13:09 |
| djszapi | so why complain to Nokia instead of doing whatever you want with your device ? | 13:10 |
| dm8tbr | there are two sides to it and both should accept the existance of the other. | 13:10 |
| petteri | i thought it was possible to install custom kernel | 13:10 |
| phunguy | djszapi> I'm not complaining to Nokia :P | 13:10 |
| djszapi | it is | 13:10 |
| vadimq | neither I | 13:10 |
| petteri | so what is this whining about, if you can install the kernel | 13:10 |
| djszapi | good question | 13:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | someone forgotten the dreaded aegis? | 13:11 |
| phunguy | hehe. There is no whining going on here. I just found out about the restrictions, and I commented that it was a PITA. Aside from that, I've accepted it for now. | 13:11 |
| djszapi | cool | 13:11 |
| phunguy | but it seems like djszapi is the type that needs the last word, so have at it | 13:11 |
| phunguy | goodnight everyone | 13:11 |
| gri | spending hours on uesless features is annoying :/ | 13:13 |
| gri | useless* damn | 13:13 |
| vadimq | so, hmm. Is there good, comprehensive documentation somewhere on how aegis works and what the default settings are? | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | ~aegis | 13:17 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | that? | 13:17 |
| vadimq | it says it's archives and most of the links don't seem to work | 13:19 |
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| vadimq | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide/Aegis_manifest_syntax -- redirects to platform guide | 13:20 |
| vadimq | but that looks like end developer targeted info. What I want is docs on aegis, meaning: what its system config files are, how security is implemented, where are the keys it uses to check signatures stored, and so on | 13:22 |
| djszapi | aegis does not have system config file. | 13:23 |
| vadimq | What I would like to do is to patch it to work for me. As in, add a second set of keys that I control, for instance | 13:23 |
| djszapi | how the security is implemented is right there. | 13:23 |
| djszapi | keys and other jazz are also there, just keep reading. | 13:23 |
| djszapi | before complaining. | 13:23 |
| djszapi | you cannot patch it ideally, no. Otherwise anybody could patch it, so that would be no security... | 13:23 |
| vadimq | no, it's not there anymore. Look at the page, it says it's archived, and most of the links of aegis just lead back to the platform guide index | 13:24 |
| djszapi | google, first result: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security.html | 13:25 |
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| vadimq | aha, that looks useful, thanks | 13:35 |
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| blue`` | there is no N9 32 gb right? | 13:35 |
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| blue`` | http://www.mygsm.me/Nokia-N9.html | 13:35 |
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| blue`` | this website has a lot of things wrong, it also shows a microsd card in n9 | 13:35 |
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| vadimq | blue``: only 16GB and 64GB | 13:41 |
| blue`` | yes i know, and they have printed 32 gb on that website and my friend called them and they r insisting they have a 32gb n9 with microsd | 13:43 |
| blue`` | what kind of ppl ! | 13:43 |
| blue`` | >: | 13:43 |
| vadimq | maybe it's a mixup with the N900? It does have 32GB storage IIRC, and a microsd slot | 13:45 |
| deram | or they might have this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n9-3-5-lcd-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-java-red-103486 | 13:46 |
| jonni | heh, or they selling the china copy of N9, http://www.88-bar.com/2011/11/shanzai-nokia-n9-has-7-os-interfaces-but-most-importantly-it-has-talking-tom-stripping-games/ | 13:46 |
| vadimq | hehe, that's awesome. China certainly seems to have a better idea of what the customer wants if it can run 7 OSes. Pity the hardware isn't good | 13:50 |
| jonni | p0rn and games, thats what consumer wants | 13:50 |
| vadimq | the Tom thing is between hilarious and scary looking though | 13:53 |
| chouchoune | wow, Nokia uses it's own servers to connect to GMail IMAP servers when I set up a GMail account. Do you know why ? | 13:54 |
| djszapi | jonni :) | 13:54 |
| Hq` | well obviously it doesn't run 7 OSes, it just imitates the UXs | 13:54 |
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| elpuri | chouchoune: to provide mail notifications power efficiently from multiple accounts? | 13:55 |
| blue`` | yea | 13:57 |
| matrixx | hey, what does it mean that buildbot says my package faild, but when I go to C-OBS and click failed status it says Status: Build finished, and doesn't show any buildlog? | 13:58 |
| matrixx | this is automatic rebuild, I haven't done any changes, and last time the package build fine | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: It is a problem I'm currently working on. | 13:58 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: ok, nice to know | 13:58 |
| matrixx | so I guess it's nothing I have to worry :) | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: You shouldn't ever worry :) | 13:59 |
| chouchoune | elpuri: when I connect a normal IMAP account it connects directly | 13:59 |
| chouchoune | not from Nokia servers | 13:59 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: hehe, I tend to worry too often | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: But this will be fixed at some point, I hope. | 13:59 |
| chouchoune | it looks specific to GMail option | 13:59 |
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| deram | maybe they anticiate changes in gmail api, and that way it will be updated once for all devices | 14:01 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: ok :) | 14:01 |
| chouchoune | changes in IMAP APIs ? The protocol looks stable to me ;) | 14:01 |
| deram | IMAP true.. is there anything else going in gmail account other than the imap? | 14:01 |
| chouchoune | deram: this information is not provided by GMail, nothing else looks like coming from Nokia in my incoming connections on GMail | 14:02 |
| deram | ok. sounds bizzare to handle those that way... | 14:03 |
| chouchoune | yes | 14:03 |
| chouchoune | I will set up my gmail account directly through IMAP then | 14:03 |
| chouchoune | I already give some parts of my privacy to Google, don't want to give it to Nokia too ;) | 14:04 |
| chouchoune | luckily thay don't have their servers proxying normal IMAP accounts (more important than GMail ;)) | 14:06 |
| corecode | hi | 14:12 |
| corecode | anybody know how i can get notified if the system wants to unmount MyDocs, so that I can close open files? | 14:13 |
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| gri | corecode: You can fetch the notification banners | 14:17 |
| gri | but that would be the worst way :) | 14:17 |
| corecode | the music player somehow knows | 14:18 |
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| jrouxel | hi all | 14:26 |
| jrouxel | I have a problem with my n9 | 14:26 |
| jrouxel | after a full reset the devel-su don't work | 14:26 |
| jrouxel | I have this error "su: can't set groups: Operation not permitted" | 14:26 |
| jrouxel | any idea to solve this problem ? | 14:27 |
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| gri | did you turn if off and on again? (developer-mode) | 14:27 |
| jrouxel | gri: yes | 14:28 |
| jrouxel | and same problem | 14:28 |
| jrouxel | I tried to resinstall but same problem | 14:28 |
| jrouxel | I can't find solution | 14:28 |
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| lardman|work | jrouxel: did you restore your settings before enabling dev mode? | 14:32 |
| jrouxel | yes | 14:32 |
| jrouxel | same things | 14:32 |
| lardman|work | don't do that | 14:32 |
| lardman|work | enable dev mode, then restore a backup | 14:33 |
| jrouxel | i try only full erase | 14:33 |
| lardman|work | no idea why, but I had the same issue as you on my N950 last week | 14:33 |
| jrouxel | and restorethen full erase and same result | 14:33 |
| lardman|work | flash new image with one click flasher, enable dev mode, restore backup | 14:33 |
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| jrouxel | where I can find image for my n9 ? | 14:34 |
| lardman|work | that I don't know, though I imagine someone here can help you | 14:34 |
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| jrouxel | lardman|work: thanks for help | 14:36 |
| lardman|work | np | 14:36 |
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| gri | corecode: What do you pay for the solution? :) | 14:39 |
| corecode | huh? | 14:39 |
| corecode | you have it? | 14:39 |
| gri | corecode: http://pastebin.com/jssPKZR1 | 14:39 |
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| gri | /home/developer $ gconftool-2 -g /Meego/System/UsbMode | 14:42 |
| gri | windows_network | 14:42 |
| gri | is even more simple :) | 14:42 |
| gri | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/usb_moded/blobs/master/docs/usb_moded-doc.txt | 14:43 |
| corecode | how did you find out? | 14:43 |
| corecode | thanks | 14:43 |
| corecode | that's great | 14:43 |
| corecode | i wonder whether that will be broadcasted when the system tries to switch to usb mass storage mode | 14:45 |
| gri | doesn't the gconf thingy provide notification on changes? | 14:45 |
| corecode | dbus should | 14:46 |
| corecode | this is so that gpodder can release resources when using mass storage | 14:46 |
| gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtmobility/qvaluespacesubscriber.html?tab=3&q=gconf&sp=all | 14:48 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: is it possible to block a complete rebuild so for instance not to interrupt my long compilation with kdelibs, just after that ? | 14:48 |
| djszapi | mainly if the rebuild is triggered out of my mind, for instance by your hack ? :p | 14:49 |
| lizardo | jrouxel: this might interest you: http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202 | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Not really. | 14:49 |
| djszapi | :( | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Remember that you triggered this mess :) | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: You asked for an updated sdk :) | 14:49 |
| djszapi | was it bad ? :p | 14:49 |
| jrouxel | lizardo: thanks I think it's the last solution | 14:50 |
| djszapi | btw, people poked me as well prior to that :P | 14:50 |
| jrouxel | ... | 14:50 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: but the question is not tied to this special case, it is a general: if someone's repository starts rebuild without his conscious, is it possible to provide an option for him to get his thing blocked ? | 14:50 |
| djszapi | rebuilding* | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: SDK updates are fairly rare, so I would not worry about that too much. For other rebuilds, it depends on the dependency chain. | 14:51 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: it happened 1-2 weeks ago many times. | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | You could for instance move your kde stuff to a different project. | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | And experiment there. | 14:52 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: I do not know the dependency chain of that by heart, but at least 6-7 levels. | 14:52 |
| djszapi | so it is sadly, easier said than done | 14:52 |
| djszapi | and you know we cannot interdepend between repos like that. | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Nah, it is quite easy. Just copy all package you know are related. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | And then you will see missing dependencies. | 14:53 |
| djszapi | so I would basically need to establish a decent percentage of the original one | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Just copy those too and be done? | 14:53 |
| djszapi | it is not that simple, tried many times. | 14:53 |
| djszapi | wasted days without success | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | OBS shows you the missing dependencies. | 14:53 |
| djszapi | even for a source package without building ? | 14:54 |
| djszapi | and anyway, that would cause 1 by 1 hunting which is not painless in 6-7 layers. | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It should, as you specify build-depends? | 14:54 |
| djszapi | mainly if the build does not even start and other issues | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Nah, it shows it for every package in your project. | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Really, a 2 minute job. | 14:54 |
| djszapi | I have a beer for you if kdelibs is two mins job for you to get it into another repository. | 14:55 |
| djszapi | I even have two beers. | 14:55 |
| lizardo | jrouxel: but I *think* I had this problem when I reset my N9 and restore only part of the developer mode packages | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | You can even disable build for that project, as dependency resolving is done before build. | 14:55 |
| djszapi | that does not mean any addition regarding this | 14:55 |
| djszapi | since build or not, you can hunt | 14:55 |
| djszapi | the point is that you need to hunt 1 by 1 from scratch in a 6-7 levels hierarchy. | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | just hover over the package and it says: missing dependencies: a,b,c,d ? | 14:56 |
| djszapi | I know, but it is still hunting. | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but not a big deal really. | 14:56 |
| djszapi | it is like not using a package manager, but getting kdelibs installed on your system from scratch | 14:56 |
| djszapi | well I tried, others also tried, we could not succeed. | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Also, just look at the list in opensuse obs? | 14:57 |
| djszapi | I mean in reasonable time, and we did not have more. | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: They have kde projects there? | 14:57 |
| djszapi | for harmattan only, just dedicated for kdelibs ? | 14:58 |
| djszapi | and probably such a fallback-try repository would also be rebuilt | 14:58 |
| djszapi | and my original question is whether there is a flag for avoiding that | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | Yes, just disable build. | 14:58 |
| djszapi | point is that to get my kdelibs finished :) | 14:59 |
| djszapi | so after enabling it again, it starts rebuilding | 14:59 |
| djszapi | if some dependency was building in the kdelibs' dependency chain, but not kdelibs yet | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | No, you don't have to. | 15:00 |
| djszapi | so not start the whole dependency chain from scratch | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Say libb depends on liba. Once both have built, disable build for libb. | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Then go to libc which depends on libb and build all you want. | 15:01 |
| djszapi | "Would you like to rebuild your packages for each underlying update ?" -> - | 15:01 |
| djszapi | "Trigger the reubild manually right now if there were updates underlying?" -> + (after kdelibs installation, I will check it) | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | But why are you changing dependencies underneath all the time btw? | 15:01 |
| djszapi | c-obs does... | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | No it doesn't. | 15:02 |
| djszapi | ok, we were blind them we looked at it with more people :p | 15:02 |
| djszapi | then* | 15:02 |
| djszapi | we did not change anything in teh community repository, and we saw it kept rebuilding. | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | It will only rebuild when sdk changes. | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | We changed sdk for the system-services thing. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | it was before the KDE Sprint right away, so we could not get kdelibs for the sprint | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | And now the whole sdk. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | so it was about 2 weeks ago. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | it was basically happening when I started cleaning up the community repository to avoid the duplicates, yes 2 weeks ago. | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | this sounds a lot like failure to understand the tool (OBS in this case) | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | Do yourself a favour and start in a separate repo, that way you can debug issues more easily. | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't help to have a repo with 300 packages or more. | 15:05 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: that is actually even more work in some cases. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | See how the obs people use obs. They expiriment in separate projects and then move stable stuff to the central thing. | 15:06 |
| djszapi | it happened with more people here, the thing built fine in the personal project, and did not in the community repository. | 15:06 |
| djszapi | Imagine kdelibs with its 5-6 hours build, just suffering for days/weeks/months for building it | 15:06 |
| djszapi | and then trying to push into another repository, and have the following issues. | 15:06 |
| djszapi | and it would result the pain twice. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, suit yourself. I have gave my advice. | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | *given | 15:07 |
| djszapi | X-Fade do not forget the fact, I also test it in scratchbox to make it quality, so pain tree times in that sense, if I have different repositories. | 15:08 |
| djszapi | three* | 15:08 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: Read up on linked projects | 15:09 |
| djszapi | so if I follow it up contionusly, at least 15-20 hours care about kdelibs in case there is nothing wrong. Every wrong try is +~5 hours. | 15:10 |
| djszapi | and if publishing does not work, like kdelibs for one and almost half a month, that is even worse. | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I try to help you out, but the way you keep complaining really rubs me the wrong way. | 15:13 |
| djszapi | I am not complaining, I describe the situation. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | No, then you would actually try to do something about it. | 15:14 |
| djszapi | what you ahve said uwhat you have said so far, we tried it with more people. | 15:14 |
| djszapi | more times. | 15:14 |
| djszapi | did not help any of us. | 15:14 |
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| sivang | hi all | 15:24 |
| sivang | someone, very kind pasted a link to the downlodable version of this book, here a few months ago : http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Patterns-Prentice-Software-Development/dp/0132826453/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322659365&sr=8-1 | 15:24 |
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| sivang | he also mentioned the online version is already more recent and has bug fixes from the paper one. | 15:25 |
| faenil | hi everyone :) | 15:25 |
| sivang | faenil: perhaps it was you? :) | 15:25 |
| faenil | :O wait what xD | 15:25 |
| sivang | and it was in conversation with me, here | 15:25 |
| faenil | what you talking about ? :) | 15:25 |
| sivang | faenil: I'm trying to find the online (bugfixed) version of this http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Patterns-Prentice-Software-Development/dp/0132826453/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322659365&sr=8-1 | 15:25 |
| faenil | and? :) | 15:26 |
| sivang | well, someone tossed me the link here a month ago | 15:26 |
| faenil | oh ok, no I think it was not me :) | 15:26 |
| sivang | but gmail search fails to retrive it for me :-p | 15:26 |
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| * sivang fires an email to interest@qt-project.org | 15:30 | |
| faenil | is there any disassemble guide for n950? | 15:30 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: remove the 4 tx4 screws, then pry the back cover off next to the speaker | 15:31 |
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| faenil | ok :) I'm trying to remove the back cover to do some rookie antenna tests, but I was failing, it didn't seem to be removable that way :D | 15:33 |
| faenil | I'll try again then ;) | 15:33 |
| dm8tbr | use your finger nail or some semi-rigid plastic | 15:34 |
| dm8tbr | it is paramount to start in the corner where the speaker opening is | 15:34 |
| faenil | ok :) | 15:38 |
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| * fastlane sits near the window pondering over when he will own a N9 ... | 15:47 | |
| * fastlane pats his N900 | 15:48 | |
| gri | damn, I really need a compiler for qml ... when changing a lot of code, scripting is not a good choice :( | 15:55 |
| faenil | first test... | 15:56 |
| faenil | N950 antenna signal: 45-55% | 15:56 |
| faenil | N9 signal in the same spot: 75-85% | 15:56 |
| faenil | now trying to remove the back of the n950... | 15:56 |
| Tronic | gri: Yes, much more static analysis for Qt (both "C++" and QML) would be helpful. | 15:56 |
| gri | faenil: It's a software bug as of apple :D | 15:57 |
| Tronic | I *really* hate it when clear mistakes are only found at runtime, and only if that particular code path is hit. | 15:57 |
| faenil | gri: lol | 15:57 |
| gri | Tronic: Yes, that's what I love about having a compiler ... you see those obvious errors like typos in variable names, calling functions on objects which don't have it ...t | 15:58 |
| Tronic | gri: Indeed. | 15:58 |
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| faenil | damn it! | 16:00 |
| faenil | removed N950 backplate... | 16:00 |
| faenil | 50% antenna signal :( | 16:00 |
| gri | faenil: plug in headphones | 16:01 |
| gri | maybe it has an effect :) | 16:01 |
| faenil | xD | 16:01 |
| faenil | don't have them here | 16:02 |
| faenil | with keyboard out, signal 60%.... | 16:02 |
| faenil | no way as good as N9's :( | 16:03 |
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| faenil | which also scored 90% now | 16:03 |
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| faenil | I really thought that would have helped :( | 16:05 |
| Tronic | faenil: I have noticed signal quality issues with N950 too. Do you know if the antennas are in the body (like on N900) or on the display frame? | 16:08 |
| Tronic | Well, probably in the body as the frame appears to be solid aluminium. | 16:09 |
| faenil | should be in the body, as I see a grey tape coming out from the corners | 16:10 |
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| faenil | trying to get as much signal as possible xD | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | I suspect those spiraly thingies in the bottom back to be the GSM/WCDMA antennas | 16:11 |
| faenil | yeah, that's what I was talking about :D | 16:11 |
| dm8tbr | for wifi probably in the upper part | 16:11 |
| faenil | could be ,yeah | 16:12 |
| dm8tbr | well wifi/BT as they are shared | 16:12 |
| djszapi | gri: is it technically possible to add more entries into the "Add account" list in your plugin ? | 16:16 |
| djszapi | I would not like to, but there might be a request for that. | 16:16 |
| gri | djszapi: of my app or generally? | 16:16 |
| djszapi | account plugin for sure. | 16:16 |
| djszapi | in general, technology-wise. | 16:17 |
| gri | I don't get the question then | 16:17 |
| djszapi | gri: you have this add account page where you can add various accounts. I am curious whether I can add for instance 2 "different" account types there inside one binary (ie.: provider plugin) | 16:18 |
| djszapi | I am not sure it makes sense, but if people would like to have it for some weird reasons. | 16:18 |
| leinir | gri: to make djszapi's very specific, he wants to build an accounts plugin for the Open Collaboration Services. There are multiple sites which implement this. And i've been trying to tell him the last few hours that if people have e.g. an openDesktop.org or formeego.com or gamingfreedom.org account, they will be looking for that, and not for open collaboration services | 16:18 |
| gri | you can define a <plugin></plugin> key | 16:18 |
| djszapi | so not the "result" page, but the add account | 16:19 |
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| gri | if you add 5 .provider files which all refer to the same <plugin>, they share one binary | 16:19 |
| djszapi | because we are considering different ui ways, and if it is technically not possible, it is no go, you know. | 16:19 |
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| leinir | gri: thanks - that's the answer i was hoping for :) | 16:19 |
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| djszapi | gri: and which provider file to match the binary name to ? Does it matter ? I have been said previously, the binary file should be matched against the provider file name. | 16:24 |
| pawky | Maybe someone here knows: How does one crack this problem? After registering your E-mail accounts in the phone with password and all, the password neither sticks nor can be put in again and saved when editing an account. You will get the opportunity to manually enter your password after a reboot or similar, but you simply cannot make them stick. How does one overcome this issue? | 16:24 |
| djszapi | gri: btw, have you tried it in the practice ? | 16:24 |
| pawky | (the phone is an N9).... | 16:25 |
| gri | djszapi: give me a minute to verify | 16:25 |
| djszapi | gri: the second question if it works, is there a way of groupping the list item ? For instance, the same elements in a group after each other, not separately in the list ? | 16:26 |
| gri | ok, I verified ... it works | 16:26 |
| gri | djszapi: This is not possible :( That's why I had so much work with my app | 16:27 |
| djszapi | so what is the ordering of that list ? | 16:27 |
| gri | I'd guess the id="something" in .provider file | 16:28 |
| gri | but I have no idea | 16:28 |
| gri | never checked that | 16:28 |
| leinir | looks like "whatever we find first"... probably worth suggesting an alphabetical sorting on the largest user-visible string on the bugtracker | 16:28 |
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| gri | it could also be sorted by the translation id | 16:31 |
| gri | since mail for exchange is on top and the translation id is qtn_asnc_mailbox_default | 16:31 |
| leinir | hum... that sounds very silly... but entirely likely | 16:32 |
| djszapi | gri: yes, but skype is the second | 16:32 |
| * leinir goes to report this | 16:33 | |
| djszapi | which has 's' ;) | 16:33 |
| gri | djszapi: ok, on the n950 I don't have skype in the list :) | 16:33 |
| gri | ok, I change some keys and check what happens | 16:34 |
| djszapi | not even google and facebook ? | 16:34 |
| djszapi | because they are swapped according to your theory here. | 16:34 |
| djszapi | leinir: I will just well ask the relevant team, that is faster ;) | 16:35 |
| leinir | try something simple like doing ls -l whereever-the-files-are, that'll give you an indication of whether they're sorted by filesystem order... which i suspect ;) | 16:36 |
| gri | nope | 16:37 |
| gri | did rename mine to "a1asdf.provider" | 16:37 |
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| gri | and every value inside | 16:37 |
| gri | it's always at the same position | 16:37 |
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| djszapi | leinir: we tried that in the first place :p | 16:39 |
| djszapi | gri: yes, mmm weird, and probably not documented. I hope I can find someone answering this :) | 16:39 |
| leinir | well, bug reported anyway :) | 16:39 |
| leinir | djszapi: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=289 if you want something to refer to when poking the team ;) | 16:40 |
| djszapi | bug reported about what ? | 16:40 |
| djszapi | I am not sure it is a bug, we just do not know the information yet :) | 16:40 |
| leinir | well, enhancement request, but it's on the bugtracker ;) | 16:40 |
| djszapi | but thanks for the url and reporting. | 16:40 |
| djszapi | it sometimes helps a lot with arguing if others already faced the same question. | 16:41 |
| leinir | *nods* | 16:41 |
| djszapi | but sometimes debian and cmake developers proposing something are called incompeteny :) | 16:41 |
| gri | maybe mardy knows the order, I assume he wrote this thing | 16:41 |
| djszapi | that I get feedback :p | 16:41 |
| mardy | gri: you mean the order of the providers as shown by the accounts-ui? | 16:43 |
| gri | mardy: yes | 16:43 |
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| mardy | gri: it's configurable. Now I don't remember if the code is in accounts-ui or libaccounts-ui, let me check | 16:44 |
| djszapi | mardy: are you on the internal pmo channel ? | 16:46 |
| djszapi | * internal channel* | 16:47 |
| mardy | djszapi: I don't work for Nokia anymore | 16:47 |
| mardy | gri: ok, the code is in accounts-ui, unfortunately, but it closely resemples this (for sorting of services): | 16:48 |
| djszapi | oh right. I do not see any identifiers inside the existing provider files. | 16:48 |
| mardy | http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccounts-ui/blobs/master/lib/AccountsUI/sort-service-model.cpp | 16:48 |
| mardy | gri: see /etc/accounts-ui/provider-sorting.d/ | 16:48 |
| gri | mardy: provider-ordering.conf that's it :) | 16:49 |
| djszapi | mardy: I guess we cannot modify that | 16:49 |
| djszapi | so the question is that how they are added there ? | 16:50 |
| gri | the dir is .d | 16:50 |
| gri | I think you can add files there | 16:50 |
| gri | it is | 16:51 |
| gri | added a file with "web2sms=-10" and my provider is now on top | 16:51 |
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| * djszapi imagines how very negative numbers can born that way in separate files :) | 16:52 | |
| djszapi | mardy: is there a way to manipulate it from the provider file or somehow ? | 16:52 |
| * leinir imagines how these arbitrary choices will spawn a "no, my system's more important!" race :P | 16:52 | |
| mardy | djszapi: no, the only way is to install a file in that directory | 16:53 |
| djszapi | also, it is a bit sad, since it means your order is not guaranteed. | 16:53 |
| dm8tbr | we can't allow a mineshaft gap! | 16:53 |
| mardy | djszapi: other than that, providers are sorted alfabetically | 16:53 |
| djszapi | mardy: the problem is that we cannot group things relating to one group after each other :/ | 16:53 |
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| djszapi | gri: can you try to add two same values, what happens, alphabetical order ? | 16:54 |
| mardy | djszapi: right, but you could define a set of priority values for the various groups, and hope that developers respect that :-) | 16:55 |
| djszapi | just curious, nothing serious | 16:55 |
| djszapi | mardy: if adding the same values for each put them into a group | 16:55 |
| djszapi | that is a way | 16:55 |
| djszapi | but someone can still say that, hey it is also my number :P | 16:55 |
| mardy | djszapi: yes it should be like that | 16:55 |
| djszapi | mardy: is it the same for the created accounts ? | 16:56 |
| gri | djszapi: if I set it to -6 like "mail for exchange" is, my app is below that | 16:56 |
| gri | I guess if they have the same number, alphabetical order of those is taken | 16:56 |
| djszapi | it might be a solution if the same number is added at the end of the list | 16:57 |
| djszapi | then we can get our things groupped together | 16:57 |
| djszapi | gri: so can you try it please with 3 same values to solely try it without having an alphabetical or other issues ? | 16:57 |
| djszapi | gri: also is it the same for created accounts ? | 16:57 |
| gri | created accounts don't use this order since mine has not changed its place | 16:58 |
| djszapi | so it is appended I guess then | 16:58 |
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| gri | no | 16:58 |
| gri | they look like alphabetically sorted by id | 16:58 |
| gri | or not | 16:59 |
| gri | since "other mail" is on top, which is genericmail | 16:59 |
| gri | and facebook is below that | 16:59 |
| djszapi | we need the groupping there, too | 16:59 |
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| djszapi | gri: so are you sure there is no some other ordering for providers with the same ordering id values ? | 17:07 |
| djszapi | the simplest way to test it to drop 3-4 providers with the same value, and then an 5th one with different namings. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | I do not have a working account plugin yet for tseting :p | 17:08 |
| djszapi | if skeleton provider files are enough for testing, I can do. | 17:08 |
| gri | copy the one of the jabber account (someone posted the gitorious url in here before) | 17:09 |
| gri | oh wrong | 17:09 |
| gri | moment | 17:09 |
| djszapi | I have all the account source codes, but not sure how to test this.. | 17:09 |
| gri | gitorious is so slow ... | 17:11 |
| gri | https://gitorious.org/forum-qml/forum-tmo/blobs/master/tmo.provider | 17:11 |
| gri | this one | 17:11 |
| djszapi | yes, but the most annoying is that you cannot have have a blob view (raw file, that is) | 17:11 |
| gri | this file lets you create passwords | 17:12 |
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| gri | if you change the id, it's a new provider | 17:12 |
| djszapi | gri: I have such files, mmm. so it is enough to put that only ? | 17:12 |
| gri | yes, since he filled the account-setup section | 17:13 |
| djszapi | and the id file addition for sure into /etc/whateveritwas/ | 17:13 |
| gri | only place this file in /usr/share/accounts/providers | 17:13 |
| djszapi | yeah, I know that | 17:14 |
| djszapi | I thought I need to compile binary andso on | 17:14 |
| djszapi | but apparently, the provider file is enough for simple cases | 17:14 |
| gri | btw. my today's work: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/bubbles.ogv :) | 17:18 |
| gri | useless but looks nice | 17:18 |
| djszapi | good advice, speak or sound makes a demo even cooler :) | 17:20 |
| gri | not really, I like it more without sound :) | 17:20 |
| djszapi | weird, but fair enough | 17:21 |
| gri | for adding sound I would need to take a camera | 17:23 |
| gri | turn off the radio | 17:23 |
| gri | film a reflecting display | 17:23 |
| djszapi | it is not a big deail, others could manage it ;) | 17:23 |
| djszapi | I just like to hear also what I am seeing. | 17:24 |
| Corsac | gri: nice :) | 17:24 |
| gri | that's self-evident :D | 17:24 |
| Corsac | though what I'm really waiting for is a None smiley theme | 17:24 |
| Corsac | ;p | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, fsck emoticons | 17:25 |
| djszapi | one good thing about sound is also that I can check out quickly my mail for few second while watching a demo | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the icon-translations popping up for simple things | 17:25 |
| djszapi | without that, I will surely miss omething important :) | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I talk about tech stuff (root::) I don't wna t some garbled nonsense with smiley icon to pop up instead | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | wnat to* | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | want* to get it right finally | 17:27 |
| gri | "We apologise for the inconvenience, our elves are working feverishly to bring an updated version of the service to you." aha, Nokia Developer. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, they want to roll out pr1.3 prior to publishing the kernel source for pr1.2? sounds like a plan to me | 17:29 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: btw, not sure if you read that, but I received a friendly mail from the source request contact address | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | this might work: roll a kernel update every 3 months, then satisfy the GPL disclosure requests for kernel_--rev. this way community never will be able to build an openmode kernel for general public | 17:31 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: saying they were annoyed but the only way to provide the source right now was using dvd, and so if I could provide my mail address | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: that makes morbidly sense for me.. because SDK's are tied to ovi store and updating SDKs is a nightmare in that respect.. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ie, the "roll out pr1.3" | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | if you roll out pr1.3 first, then you can update 1.2 as you please :P | 17:32 |
| rm_work | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205256&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-75-205-256-_-Product | 17:32 |
| rm_work | interesting :) | 17:32 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: hmhm, how so? I'd thought it'd be easier to have SDK in sync with release | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: well, let's say they have to update SDK everywhere.. but i don't know | 17:33 |
| djszapi | gri: as I said :) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | chances are someone screwed up somewhere simply | 17:34 |
| Corsac | yeah, might be | 17:34 |
| rm_work | ^^^ N9 actually on sale "in the US" | 17:34 |
| rm_work | that's an interesting one | 17:34 |
| djszapi | gri: the jabber plugin is supposed to handle various jabber servers, like the "Other emails" for mail servers ? | 17:36 |
| rm_work | wow, they don't even mention NFC | 17:36 |
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| Corsac | there's a jabber plugin? | 17:40 |
| djszapi | yes, there is one in progress. | 17:41 |
| Corsac | nice | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so what's the instructions to get open mode then? "switch off all internet access for your N9, for a duration of <timespan between kernel releases>. Then after Nokia published PR_N SSU and kernel sources for PR_(N-1), the community will provide an openmode kernel during the next few weeks - you need to download that on your PC and flash it to the N9 with flasher-tool. Then you copy the following list of .deb to your N9 via | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | mass storage and install them. Now you are safe to re-enable internet access for your device" | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i don't know, keep in mind i'm also hurt by this | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, no offense | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | if kernel isn't published, i can't upgrade it in Nemo/Mer | 17:43 |
| djszapi | what is Nemo btw ? I heard the term more times :) | 17:43 |
| djszapi | http://www.iola.dk/nemo/ or different ? | 17:44 |
| djszapi | ahh Network Mobility ? | 17:44 |
| phako | merproject.org | 17:44 |
| phako | and nemo being the new name of MeeGo CE (mobile) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:45 |
| djszapi | http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/11/08/n900-keeps-being-awesomemer-nemo-project-video-included/ -> ah ok | 17:46 |
| djszapi | where does the name come frm ? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: did you provide your mail addr? | 17:48 |
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| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yes | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you have a site to deploy the data via the internets as soon as DVD arrives? | 17:50 |
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| leinir | djszapi: nemo? he's the captain from Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea :) | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | Nemo tries to project a stern, controlled confidence, but he is driven by a thirst for vengeance and a hatred of imperialism (particularly the British Empire) and wracked by remorse over the deaths of his crew members and even by the deaths of enemy sailors. | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 17:51 |
| djszapi | leinir: I knew that, it is coming from that ? :p | 17:52 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yes | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine | 17:52 |
| leinir | djszapi: That's where it comes from, yes :) | 17:52 |
| djszapi | is there a separate nemo irc channel or is it #mer ? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so let's hope preparation of that DVD doesn'T take another 2 years | 17:53 |
| djszapi | leinir: thanks =) | 17:53 |
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| leinir | i asked when it was announced whether it was deliberate that they chose the name of someone out to get revenge and harbours serious hatred of imperialism and stuff... and apparently it was :D | 17:54 |
| gri | djszapi: I don't really know how services and providers are handled, I just used the providers | 17:57 |
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| rafael2k | people, is the msn support packages available in any public repo? | 18:05 |
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| pawky | so do I get it right , nobody has the slightest clue how to make E-mail passwords in the accounts stick in a N9? | 18:20 |
| djszapi | rafael2k: you mean the hiro package ? | 18:20 |
| djszapi | because we did some sort of msn support in the hiro project. | 18:21 |
| pawky | Am I the only one with this problem? I know this isn't really ther right forum, but this channel seems to have much more knowlege about most things compared to others.... | 18:21 |
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| rafael2k | djszapi: yes | 18:28 |
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| djszapi | rafael2k: we published our mailing list | 18:29 |
| djszapi | I developed the printer app, but others might answer if you ask. | 18:29 |
| djszapi | let me ask my colleague :) | 18:29 |
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| pawky | djszapi:you usually seem to be the oracle of knowledge here, don't you even have the slightest of a comment upon my earlier question? :-) | 18:31 |
| rafael2k | thanks! | 18:31 |
| djszapi | rafael2k: interesting that, we do not have msn support, only office communicator, but you need to pay for that iirc | 18:36 |
| djszapi | the windows live messenger protocol is not compatible with our support in hiro at least. | 18:36 |
| Corsac | pawky: I have the same issue | 18:37 |
| pawky | Corsac:Ahhh... finally some respons. :-) Good to hear, I believe this has started after their latest update, right? | 18:37 |
| jonni | pawky: its a known bug, which has been fixed in future firmware release. | 18:38 |
| pawky | jonni: Ehh... like the one that is not out yet? Because to my knowledge I have put in the newest.. | 18:39 |
| jonni | pawky: its fixed, in PR1.2, but that is not going to be available anytime soon, so you just have to live with it. | 18:39 |
| pawky | jonni: Ok, thank you for your reply :-) | 18:39 |
| rafael2k | djszapi: no problem, thanks | 18:41 |
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| avernos | anyone knows where can i find An Introduction to Design Patterns in C++ with Qt | 18:49 |
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| djszapi | avernos: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/oopdocbook/html/ | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | avernos: amazon | 18:50 |
| djszapi | avernos: note that qt5 is coming though | 18:50 |
| djszapi | but it should be okay :) | 18:51 |
| avernos | good point.. | 18:51 |
| avernos | still worth a quick read to get an idea | 18:51 |
| djszapi | avernos: www.cs.ukzn.ac.za/~hughm/ap/books/CppQt4.pdf -> in pdf :) | 18:51 |
| djszapi | avernos: it is also a good material: http://wiki.qt-project.org/API_Design_Principles | 18:52 |
| avernos | oh, great! thanks djszapi | 18:52 |
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| avernos | lol | 18:56 |
| avernos | ya lo tienes? | 18:56 |
| avernos | a mi me va a tardar un rato | 18:56 |
| avernos | xDDD | 18:56 |
| avernos | wops | 18:56 |
| avernos | wrong chat | 18:57 |
| djszapi | Is it possible to run a harmattan app on my laptop ? | 18:58 |
| djszapi | if I build for that. | 18:59 |
| djszapi | qt-components might be tied to the platform. | 18:59 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: well most part of my app worked fine on my computer (OS X Lion, QtSDK 1.1.4) except for the bottom toolbar | 19:00 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: you built qtcomponents (harmattan) for your machine ? | 19:01 |
| djszapi | PC/laptop, that is | 19:01 |
| gri | djszapi: with qt sdk it's already pre-built | 19:02 |
| gri | you can use qt-components in qmlviewer without any c++ code | 19:02 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: yeah, its pre-built | 19:02 |
| hiemanshu | except the bottom toolbar doesn't work, and app is always portrait | 19:02 |
| djszapi | gri: qmlviewer is not an option for my app because the hefty logic is in C++ = ~95% of the app ;) | 19:02 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: there a deb packages for Ubuntu by Kate Ahola(?) | 19:03 |
| gri | djszapi: if those are qml plugins, they might run inside qmlviewer as well | 19:03 |
| M4rtinK | unfortunatelly its in PR1.0 state, which means no QtQuick 1.0 | 19:03 |
| M4rtinK | and some thing are missing | 19:03 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: archlinux ftw ;) | 19:03 |
| M4rtinK | but on the other hand the QML Gallery works as expected and is not semi broken as on PR 1.1 Harmattan | 19:04 |
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| djszapi | you mean no QtQuick 1.1 ? | 19:04 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 19:04 |
| djszapi | gri: what do you mean ? | 19:04 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: that is bad because no multitouch support... | 19:05 |
| gri | djszapi: if your c++ code is not tied to harmattan, you can compile it for desktop and deploy the qml plugins | 19:05 |
| gri | and they run fin even inside qmlviewer | 19:05 |
| gri | fine* | 19:05 |
| M4rtinK | and maybe some other few things - I have been testing mainly on the device | 19:05 |
| djszapi | gri: I am not getting you. How do you match C++ with qml plugins ? | 19:06 |
| gri | djszapi: extend qml with c++ | 19:06 |
| gri | that's what most of my code does | 19:06 |
| gri | by providing plugins | 19:06 |
| djszapi | sorry, but what do you mean ? I provide a binary | 19:07 |
| djszapi | qmlS and iconS are inside that binary by using the Qt resource system | 19:07 |
| gri | sure that's not good for testing :) | 19:07 |
| gri | I do it the other way | 19:07 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: well, yes, PinchArea of course needs multitouch to work but I'm sure many QtQuick 1.1 improvements, like image caching, do not | 19:07 |
| gri | the binary that gets started by invoker is only as simple as possible | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | IMO nobody just packaged it yet | 19:08 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: multitouch is an awesome thing imho :) | 19:08 |
| gri | most of the code is in qml and c++ extensions | 19:08 |
| djszapi | gri: I am not getting your setup, can you give me a link to a documentation ? | 19:08 |
| djszapi | phunguy: sshfs mounting works just fine btw fyi | 19:09 |
| gri | djszapi: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdeclarativeextensionplugin.html | 19:10 |
| djszapi | bookmarked for later reading, thanks. | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P | 19:11 |
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| gri | djszapi: in simple words, the things you do inside gamewindowmanager.cpp can be done by a qml extension plugin the same way | 19:14 |
| gri | djszapi: so instead of having to create a binary, you can just open qmlviewer and enter "import GluonPlayer 1.0" and have all your properties and objects | 19:15 |
| gri | but this is just a testing help, for deployment you still need a binary which creates the qdeclarativeview | 19:16 |
| djszapi | gri: ohh I did such a plugin | 19:16 |
| djszapi | one and half a year ago :) | 19:16 |
| djszapi | gri: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/fremantle/Details.qml#L21 | 19:16 |
| djszapi | you mean this right ? | 19:16 |
| gri | yes | 19:16 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/fremantle/gamewindowmanager.cpp#L99 | 19:17 |
| gri | depends on how you define the support is flaky | 19:19 |
| djszapi | I am not sure what the situation nowadays is, that was happening more than one year ago | 19:20 |
| djszapi | sadly, qml is still pre-mature | 19:21 |
| gri | yeah but I can't see from that comment what your problem was | 19:21 |
| djszapi | check my commit message. | 19:22 |
| djszapi | mmm, the history is lost after git mv | 19:23 |
| djszapi | very weird. | 19:23 |
| djszapi | but I could not simply use a C++ enum from Qt. | 19:24 |
| djszapi | without that hackery. | 19:24 |
| gri | usable enums have to be inside classes, QObject is not is not relevant | 19:25 |
| djszapi | so if you take a look at the qml I gave you: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/fremantle/Details.qml#L21 You can see this way I could make a comparison with enum statuses in C++ | 19:25 |
| gri | so that you can use Classname.EnumValue in qml | 19:25 |
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| djszapi | enum is inside the class for sure: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/lib/models/gameviewitem.h#L43 | 19:26 |
| djszapi | did not really work, asked qml experts, qml developers back then, and I think I even saw the same hackery in a code. | 19:26 |
| djszapi | not sure about nowadays as I said. | 19:26 |
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| gri | that's no hackity | 19:27 |
| gri | that's how it works | 19:27 |
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| djszapi | :))) | 19:27 |
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| gri | I also have some of these lines: https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qmlplugin/plugin.cpp#line25 | 19:28 |
| djszapi | oh my god :) | 19:29 |
| gri | don't see a problem with that | 19:30 |
| djszapi | ok for you then ;) | 19:31 |
| gri | I think girls like my app | 19:31 |
| gri | you can make the speechbubbles pink :D | 19:31 |
| matrixx | nice, keep the pink thingies coming :D | 19:33 |
| matrixx | gri: what's your app? | 19:33 |
| djszapi | gri: you are trying to date with your app ? :P | 19:34 |
| gri | matrixx: a copy of the messaging app | 19:34 |
| gri | djszapi: no, my girlfriend would not allow that :P | 19:35 |
| matrixx | gri: nice, I don't like the default one that much | 19:35 |
| gri | matrixx: what would you make better? :) | 19:35 |
| matrixx | gri: does it allow ascii smileys? | 19:35 |
| gri | I don't show any smilies, so yes | 19:35 |
| matrixx | gri: as in, no emoticons | 19:35 |
| matrixx | ok, good | 19:36 |
| gri | matrixx: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/bubbles.ogv you can also choose some things | 19:36 |
| matrixx | I was a little bit disappointed when I noticed I can't turn the smiley icons of in harmattan by default | 19:36 |
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| matrixx | I don't understand german but looks very cool :) | 19:38 |
| gri | yes I am lazy ... changing language needs reboot | 19:38 |
| matrixx | looking forward to | 19:38 |
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| djdszapi | X-Fade: do you have any ideas why no rebuilding happened since this morning, still about 230 packages struggling since the sdk update | 20:22 |
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| RzR | hi | 21:03 |
| djdszapi | hi rzr, your fusefs thing will work soon | 21:05 |
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| daniel_1 | good morning | 21:11 |
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| djdszapi | X-Fade: Also, where can I find the server side implementation of OCS on apps4meego ? | 21:16 |
| djdszapi | I am now making the OCS plugin, and that would also be a server for choosing. | 21:16 |
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| djdszapi | X-Fade: ok found: http://apps.formeego.org/ocs/providers.xml | 21:32 |
| RzR | djdszapi: great | 21:33 |
| djdszapi | X-Fade so apps.formeego.com is coming :P It is cool to see someone is using the "bleeding edge" OCS version | 21:34 |
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| gri | bleeding is not always good :P | 21:56 |
| djdszapi | it is quite good in case OCS | 21:56 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: so ... what token is used to differentiate the n9 client from a handset client? | 21:58 |
| lbt | in apps.formeego ? | 21:58 |
| lbt | I have theOs = "n9" or "meego" .... is it correct to add "mer" there for nemo clients | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | lbt: different 'distribution' | 22:00 |
| lbt | ok | 22:00 |
| X-Fade | Check the version of the client in my home. That has a bit of nemo support already. | 22:01 |
| lbt | git? | 22:01 |
| djdszapi | X-Fade: did you get a reply from Nokia for the credential requests ? | 22:02 |
| X-Fade | djdszapi: It is still at MT. | 22:02 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Oh wait. Yes, it is in git but pycage's. | 22:03 |
| lbt | the main one ? | 22:04 |
| lbt | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-applications/meego-apps-client | 22:04 |
| djdszapi | interesting, I got highlighted for "djdszapi" =) | 22:04 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Yes, that is the main one. | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | lbt: There was a commit for start of nemo support yesterday. | 22:05 |
| lbt | OK - I have some packaging and commits here | 22:06 |
| djdszapi | May I ask why you import the whole attica into that client ? | 22:07 |
| lbt | if you guys are working on it then I'll hand it over - there's too few of us to duplicate effort | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | djdszapi: Because it is broken and upstream doesn't want to fix it :( | 22:07 |
| djdszapi | I am one of the maintainers recently, what is hte problem ? | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | djdszapi: We had a patch for distribution support, but it got rejected? | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | djdszapi: Can ask pycage what the story was. | 22:08 |
| djdszapi | can you send me the story so we can re-visit | 22:08 |
| djdszapi | I can help as much as possible :) | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | I'd need to ask pycage, I don't know the details. | 22:09 |
| djdszapi | sure | 22:09 |
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| gri | I start to hate the ovi store | 23:08 |
| gri | "description" is allowed to have 500 characters ... I insert 475 and they tell me "invalid metadata 5-500 alphanumeric characters allowed" | 23:08 |
| daniel_o | :D | 23:09 |
| gri | this means brackets forbidden? | 23:09 |
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| daniel_o | <3 last.fm scrobbler is running.. | 23:18 |
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| tarantism | Hi, Trying to get vpnc running on N9 and seeing /usr/sbin/vpnc: can't initialise tunnel interface: Operation not permitted. When I run aegis-manifest on the binaries, I get: aegis-manifest: Processing binary '/bin/cisco-decrypt' aegis-manifest: Processing binary '/sbin/vpnc' aegis-manifest: No required tokens were detected. | 23:22 |
| tarantism | Does this mean it's a no go? | 23:22 |
| dm8tbr | tarantism: someone got openvpn to work, vpnc should be possible too | 23:22 |
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| tarantism | dm8tbr: interesting, I'll look into that | 23:23 |
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| Jare_ | tarantism: i'm running openvpn with UID::user and CAP::net_admin | 23:30 |
| tarantism | Jare_: I was trying to start vpnc as root. What's the CAP part? | 23:31 |
| tarantism | Jare_: Just found the content of the openvpn aegis file. Time to play. | 23:33 |
| Jare_ | devel-su root doesn't have net_admin rights, only develsh has. The CAP::net_admin allows changing networking configuration | 23:33 |
| Jare_ | yea, might be the file i posted around | 23:34 |
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| tarantism | Yay. It works. Thanks Jare_. | 23:37 |
| Jare_ | ok, np | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: you got <tags-alike> stuff in your description? It is messing up garage.maemo.org thoroughly | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe same here | 23:40 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: nope, removed all brackets, slashes ... | 23:40 |
| gri | had to cut the text to 388 characters instead of 500 to accept it | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | PFFF | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | great | 23:41 |
| gri | I wonder how they count the words | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if they count in bytes instead of chars, and which UTF-16 they use | 23:41 |
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| gri | A character counter next to the text control would help a bit ... | 23:43 |
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| BluesLee | hi, are freoffice or gnumeric available for harmattan? | 23:49 |
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