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| Troy | Is anybody aware of an easy way to get pango and cairo development libraries into scratchbox? | 00:19 |
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| mgedmin | usually the best way to get such things is apt-get install them from the SDK repo | 00:35 |
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| macmaN | oh yeah. was wondering today, maybe there's some hack out there that let you save outgoing mails into another folder, not Sent | 00:57 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | i just noticed the N9 doesnt run in 24 bit color mode | 01:14 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and if I force X11 to 24 bit color, it gets really buggy | 01:14 |
| Sazpaimon__ | well then so much for getting lightspark to work right | 01:15 |
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| mgedmin | that leaves gnash and swfdec | 01:20 |
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| Troy | The pango and cairo development packages do not seem to be in the SDK repo, hence the question | 01:31 |
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| M4rtinK | Troy: I have a Cairo package in my OBS repo: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cairo&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | looks like it should provide some -dev packages | 01:54 |
| Jare_ | is it possible to make the terminal app accessible when i'm not in developer mode? | 01:55 |
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| mgedmin | Jare_, I think so, all you need to do is find the .deb and install it | 02:16 |
| mgedmin | are there any downsides to having developer mode enabled? I'm not aware of any | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 02:23 |
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| Jare_ | so no downsides except ssh access allowed in wlan? | 02:39 |
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| Jare_ | obviously the next question will be: how do i temporarily disable the ssh access in developer mode? | 02:39 |
| mgedmin | Jare_, if you've got PR1.1 firmware, you can't ssh in | 02:40 |
| mgedmin | PermitRootLogin is disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and 'user' and 'developer' don't have a password by default | 02:40 |
| Jare_ | yes, i have it and i still can ssh in as "user" | 02:40 |
| mgedmin | the only way to ssh in is if you explicitly allow it (by running the SDK Connectivity Tool to set a random 'developer' password, or by running 'passwd' manually to set the user password) | 02:40 |
| Jare_ | well i configured a password for user.. | 02:40 |
| mgedmin | ah, if you want to disable that, passwd -l user | 02:41 |
| Jare_ | mmkay | 02:41 |
| mgedmin | I think you can also individually uninstall any of those packages (like openssh-server) that devmode installs by default | 02:41 |
| mgedmin | hm, no, those are extra dev packages I was thinking about... | 02:42 |
| mgedmin | (in security -> developer mode) | 02:42 |
| Jare_ | that doesn't disable ssh bots though, so those might generate unnecessary network traffic | 02:43 |
| mgedmin | although you can uninstall them via manage applications | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | etc/init.d/sshd stop ? | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or dimply stop sshd | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | siply | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 03:04 |
| Jare_ | i made a bit more permanent change by modifying the listening address to localhost :) | 03:21 |
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| djszapi | anybody having experience thingie with non-resource-file-embedded qml file modifications for ui testing on the device ? | 12:16 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade is there a way to trigger a pkg rebuild ? | 12:33 |
| djszapi | say, it succeeded previously, but I would like to re-trigger it for some reasons. | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | osc rebuild | 12:35 |
| djszapi | I was not precise enough. I would like to do it on the remote server, and from web ui first, if possible. | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think there's a button for the rebuild in web ui anymore, i think | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | osc rebuild will do it on remote server | 12:36 |
| djszapi | interesting, so osc rebuild works with the remote server, but osc build not ? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | osc build makes a local build | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | osc rebuild asks the server to rebuild | 12:37 |
| djszapi | okay, thanks. | 12:37 |
| lardman|home | What's the best way to use painter.drawImage() or similar to draw from a QImage onto a QDeclarativeItem(), but without altering the aspect ratio of the image? | 12:38 |
| lardman|home | morning all too :) | 12:38 |
| lardman|home | Do I manually need to work out what part of the image I need to use to match the aspect ratio of the drawing area, or have I missed a flag that will do this for me automagically? | 12:39 |
| lardman|home | ah, I can specify the target rectangle, I'll try that | 12:40 |
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| matrixx | any idea what am I missing in desktop file when my app icon shows correctly on homescreen, but has the default qt icon in app manager? | 15:31 |
| matrixx | or hmm, could it use the svg version, which I didn't replace with my icon, cause I only have png | 15:32 |
| matrixx | crap, that must be it, nvm | 15:33 |
| matrixx | I kinda thought the svg isn't used for anything, but apparently was wrong | 15:39 |
| djszapi | matrixx: :D | 15:51 |
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| RzR | hi | 16:39 |
| RzR | nokia comes to my city next week to spread the wp7 desease , what should be done ? | 16:39 |
| javispedro | E X T E R M I N A T E ! | 16:40 |
| svuorela | RzR: sign up and receive a wp7 phone. | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | how? where? | 16:48 |
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| RzR | svuorela: no sure I'll get one and if i do would it boot a linux kernel ? | 16:54 |
| RzR | MohammadAG: in france they're touring in a couple of cities | 16:54 |
| RzR | http://mobile.twitter.com/nokiadev_france | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | I want a Lumia | 16:57 |
| javispedro | oh | 16:57 |
| javispedro | just thought they should call the equivalent of Siri for the Lumia "Lumi" | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | btw, will the Lumia use Ovi Suite, or ActiveSync? | 16:58 |
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| svuorela | RzR: nah. just to take a seat from someone else :p <evilgrin> | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | Or ActiveOvi | 16:58 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ovi.NET | 16:58 |
| javispedro | ZunOvi | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | ZOvNi | 16:59 |
| RzR | btw is that device close enough to n9 to support harmattan ? assuming there is no restricted bootloader | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's qualcomm chipset | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | forgetaboutit | 17:02 |
| RzR | “We are working very hard with our Developer & Platform Evangelism team to get developers trained,” said Brandon. Microsoft expects to have just over 1,000 related developer events during the 12 months ending June 2012, and these events are both in person and streamed, and will reach all major geographies. | 17:03 |
| RzR | Stskeeps: yes I knew that , not supporting Armv7 binaries ? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | RzR: that isn't the problem, the problem is GLES | 17:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone willing to test something? | 17:05 |
| RzR | Stskeeps: should not be an issue to boot the kernel and get a remote shell :) | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | RzR: probably not, but if you want anything useful with it.. | 17:06 |
| RzR | that would be better than a full wp7 platform | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ping | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | pong | 17:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: do you have a minute and linux near you? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | I suppose | 17:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: https://github.com/funkycode/n9imgur download and just do make, put test.png picture in any folder and run from it bin/n9imgur | 17:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: oh it has jansson dependies =) | 17:10 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: that is indeed a really heavy problem ... | 17:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | if it would return you link my next step is gui and than aouth for n9 | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: which, GLES? | 17:11 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: yes... | 17:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: would you mind? | 17:12 |
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| BluesLee | Swype via simpleirc on N9, hehe | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | why C? | 17:15 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: qt or not, without opengl support .... | 17:15 |
| djszapi | that is more serious than qt for many cases ... | 17:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: coz i like c | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not N9 specific | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | no Makefile? | 17:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: don't mind code it's messy right now as it passed a lot of tests and i need to clean it up | 17:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: there is make file | 17:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | maybe it's old | 17:16 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what is wrong about C ? | 17:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait me to sync | 17:17 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what is the question about C ? | 17:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: nothing wrong i like it | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | only /src/upload.c and README | 17:17 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: please tell your question... | 17:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: now? | 17:18 |
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| Arkenoi | javispedro: here? | 17:20 |
| javispedro | yep | 17:20 |
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| Arkenoi | javispedro: i am now almost sure there is something wrong with the way sowatch handles notifications in quite dangerous way. i restored from backup and disabled google sync to rule out possible coincidence | 17:22 |
| Arkenoi | so there is some possibility that as a result of sowatch interaction tracker database gets corrupted which leads to a massive clusterfuck | 17:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i just asked MohammadAG to test my small app, that would be imgur plugin in future | 17:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | for n9 | 17:23 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: sowatch does not even _touch_ tracker | 17:24 |
| djszapi | how is it related to C ? | 17:24 |
| Arkenoi | like, tracker-store consumes all available cpu causing battery drain and messaging does not work properly | 17:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's written in C | 17:24 |
| djszapi | does it matter for testing ? | 17:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: no, he asked why i used C to code it | 17:24 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, tried this twice with same result: no sowatch -- everything fine, enable sowatch -- tracker goes nuts | 17:24 |
| djszapi | trivial answer, you like C ;-)O | 17:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i said that too =) | 17:25 |
| Arkenoi | there must be some indirect way it is affected | 17:25 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: on the manifest I request ReadAccess for tracker because I wanted to initially get the albumart from it. But I'm not doing it, so you can remove it from the manifest and it'll still work. And of course no writeaccess. | 17:25 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what sort of app is this ? | 17:25 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: gtk or something else ? | 17:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: for now it just upload test.png to imgur and return url, in future it would return all urls, date, title and so on | 17:25 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro: i guess it is not tracker itself then, must be something with notifications which causes something else inside phone to drive tracker mad | 17:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: console for now | 17:26 |
| djszapi | can you push console utils into OVI ? | 17:26 |
| Arkenoi | the result is pretty reproducible | 17:26 |
| javispedro | how? | 17:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: irssi is there | 17:26 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: does it have desktop file ? | 17:27 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro: on my phone at least. don't know what else can i do to diagnose it further | 17:27 |
| Arkenoi | maybe my slightly malfunctioning metawatch unit is the hidden factor | 17:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: irssi does | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, ping | 17:27 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: that shouldn't happen either. | 17:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: so? | 17:27 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: pang! | 17:27 |
| Arkenoi | but it does :-( | 17:28 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: it shows up a shell for clicking on the icon ? | 17:28 |
| Arkenoi | tried twice! | 17:28 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: what I meant is, what steps you follow that trigger whatever happens? | 17:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it opens terminal with irssi | 17:28 |
| djszapi | I am not sure it is the weakness of OVI, or planned to allow it. | 17:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it installs terminal as well | 17:29 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro: just that: pair with metawatch, see notifications on the watch screen. after a while -- several hours or up to two days a first symptom occurs: an IM notification that is shown on the watch and on the standby screen on the phone gets missing from the conversation app | 17:29 |
| Arkenoi | and tracker-store starts draining battery and cpu cycles while maintenance utility shows it is "idle" | 17:30 |
| Arkenoi | then you may reboot | 17:30 |
| Arkenoi | if you are lucky, after reboot notification reappears and everything works | 17:30 |
| Arkenoi | if you are not, corrupted state persistes and everything goes, as i said, clusterfucked | 17:31 |
| javispedro | what do you do in between? | 17:31 |
| javispedro | I mean, during the "hours / two days" | 17:32 |
| Arkenoi | just nothing, using my phone as usual -- a few incoming IM (up to hundred per hour), a few SMS.. | 17:32 |
| Arkenoi | no playing with internals and guts for sure | 17:32 |
| Arkenoi | at least definitely nothing that can screw it up | 17:33 |
| Arkenoi | as at least once i specially avoided touching anything | 17:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ping =\ | 17:35 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: so are you a C programmer ? | 17:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: not really ,learning | 17:37 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N950: o/ | 17:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi, how're you? :) | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: hey | 17:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey ZogG_laptop | 17:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: you forgot to build ircchatter and uplod to apps.formeego | 17:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG, i have no computer with me | 17:54 |
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| Venemo_N950 | and the N950 can't do that job | 17:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: =( | 17:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | sorry :( | 17:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | and expect that sup? | 17:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | ? | 17:58 |
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| Arkenoi | javispedro: so no idea what can i try next? | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | Arkenoi: Thinking how can I send myself hundreds of messages per hour.. | 17:59 |
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| Arkenoi | javispedro: easy: enable jabber and use some service that can send you notifications via IM. for me it was juick.com | 18:00 |
| Arkenoi | it does not seem to be related to amount of traffic, though -- at least once there were just a ~10-15 messages per hour | 18:01 |
| javispedro | If it's not related to traffic I have no idea then | 18:01 |
| javispedro | I get around 30 messages per day | 18:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: asked what else? how are you => sup? | 18:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup=what is up | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG, oh, I'm fine thanks :) I'm happy it's weekend again | 18:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, and you? | 18:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | tomorrow i go for a week of reserve army =) | 18:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | Arkenoi: I just fail to see how it can be connected to Tracker | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | Arkenoi: I just sent myself some 100 notifications using some jabber resource trickery and not a single issue | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | Arkenoi: maybe you could run dbus-monitor the next time it happens? | 18:35 |
| javispedro | commhistoryd is the only one that is connected to the notification daemon and tracker, but the protocol is absurdly simple | 18:36 |
| Arkenoi | will try | 18:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | why don't you guys port dbus-explorer? | 18:37 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N950: qdbus works reasonably | 18:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 18:39 |
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| tarantism | hi javispedro, I can't get my pulseaudio module to load on N9. Before I break it with a hacked kernel, is there a way to be sure it's Aegis causing the problem? pulseaudio reports "file not found". | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC something pops up in syslog | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Check that | 18:46 |
| javispedro | if it says file not found you can be practically sure it's not aegis ;) | 18:46 |
| tarantism | that's good. I'll check. | 18:46 |
| javispedro | on my n950 at least module loading has not been disabled yet | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean pulseaudio modules? | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: i'm going to start making GUI for my app, i would need your help =) | 18:47 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: yep, pulse | 18:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, I'm busy with learning physics for my monday exam, but ask and we'll try to answer | 18:48 |
| tarantism | hmm. nothing in syslog. I can load module-sine.so so it looks like it's something in my module! | 18:48 |
| javispedro | tarantism: what are you doing either way? just place the module in /usr/lib/pulse-*/modules and pactl load-module ? | 18:48 |
| javispedro | ah | 18:48 |
| tarantism | yep | 18:48 |
| javispedro | tarantism: maybe extraneous extra dependencies | 18:48 |
| tarantism | hmm | 18:48 |
| tarantism | libsndfile | 18:48 |
| javispedro | strace the PA process | 18:49 |
| tarantism | how do I do that? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | (or ldd, etc.) | 18:49 |
| javispedro | strace -p 548 | 18:49 |
| tarantism | thanks. | 18:49 |
| javispedro | replace 548 with your PulseAudio's PID | 18:49 |
| tarantism | ok | 18:51 |
| tarantism | I get "Operation not permitted" with strace as developer or root ... | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | try develsh | 18:54 |
| javispedro | as root preferably | 18:54 |
| javispedro | (THAT is aegis you're now seeing, btw) | 18:54 |
| tarantism | I like this phone. | 18:54 |
| tarantism | nope | 18:55 |
| tarantism | develsh doesn't help. I'm going to play with ldd | 18:55 |
| tarantism | ahh - ligdbm | 18:58 |
| tarantism | got it. Thanks javispedro. | 19:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so again harmattan sdk vs qt sdk | 19:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz developer page says harmattan sdk | 19:11 |
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| faenil | evening people :) | 22:09 |
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| matrixx | to have themes support in harmattan, it's now possible to review ThemeChanger since there's now one custom theme | 23:44 |
| matrixx | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/themechanger/ | 23:44 |
| matrixx | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/funkyocean/ | 23:44 |
| matrixx | waiting for Community QA :) | 23:44 |
| * matrixx ends shameless promotion | 23:44 | |
| dm8tbr | :) | 23:46 |
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