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| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libm/libmeegotouch/ -> meh this is also duplicated... | 00:55 |
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| djszapi | same with boost ... | 00:57 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/b/boost1.42/ | 00:57 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, why is it that calling QCamera stop() doesn't seem to completely stop the camera? | 00:58 |
| djszapi | same with libxslt ...http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxslt/ | 00:58 |
| lardman|home | It still clicks when my app is closed, which makes me think something is still running there | 00:58 |
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| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/m/meegotouch-qt-style/ -> duplicated, too | 01:00 |
| lardman|home | hmm, is there a new sw release? | 01:00 |
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| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/d/devscripts/ -> this is also duplicated ... | 01:01 |
| lardman|home | what are you doing djszapi ? | 01:01 |
| djszapi | meh even the meego-terminal ...http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/m/meego-terminal/ | 01:02 |
| djszapi | lardman|home: backlog | 01:02 |
| * lardman|home looks for logs | 01:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | He's complaining about OBS being screwed up with duplicated packages. | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | For reasons I don't understand (the cause of the duplicates) | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | ah ok, thanks SpeedEvil | 01:05 |
| lardman|home | the logs weren't very conclusive | 01:05 |
| djszapi | lardman|home: the community repository is hilariously broken | 01:05 |
| djszapi | I took a look ... rzr pushed at least 20-30 very fundamental packages from the Nokia repository into our commrepo which well ... made huge obstacles for us | 01:06 |
| lardman|home | I thought there was a blacklist of packages that couldn't be pushed into the "Extras" equiv? | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | i.e. anything in the actual image | 01:07 |
| djszapi | Sadly, there is no suck a hook | 01:07 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/c/cdbs/ -> this is also duplicated .. | 01:08 |
| djszapi | meh even bzip2 -> http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/b/bzip2/ | 01:09 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/a/automoc/ -> duplicate, too | 01:10 |
| * lardman|home curses converting UYVY into Y | 01:11 | |
| djszapi | automoc too :D | 01:11 |
| lardman|home | hmm, probably too late in the evening for this | 01:12 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/d/diffstat/ -> duplicated, meh I do not understand how these many could happen | 01:13 |
| djszapi | lardman|home: where do you live ? | 01:13 |
| lardman|home | UK, near Bath | 01:13 |
| lardman|home | I have an 11 week old daughter though, so not much sleep | 01:13 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/d/dosfstools/ -> duplicated | 01:14 |
| djszapi | lardman|home: ahh I see. | 01:14 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/fakeroot/ -> duplicated | 01:15 |
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| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/i/i2c-tools/ this one, too | 01:17 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/s/sudo/ -> sudo, too | 01:18 |
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| djszapi | well, the commrepo is getting much cleaner :) | 01:19 |
| lardman|home | hmm, interesting, using a QDataStream on an existing file doesn't change the modification date.... | 01:19 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/t/tcl8.5/ -> tcl, too | 01:19 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/fuse/ -> fuse, too | 01:21 |
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| lardman|home | s/to make/for making | 01:21 |
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| djszapi | why not koctave ? :p | 01:24 |
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| M4rtinK | djszapi: fuse in the official repo ? | 01:36 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, looks like rzr might have just added packages that wee not available in earlier betas | 01:37 |
| djszapi | yes, of course | 01:37 |
| M4rtinK | *were | 01:37 |
| djszapi | no | 01:37 |
| djszapi | many of those were already available in day first | 01:37 |
| lardman|home | bed time, night all | 01:37 |
| djszapi | fusefs is of course there since the platform is heavily based on that anyway | 01:37 |
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| djszapi | sleep well | 01:37 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: oh, interesting | 01:38 |
| gabriel9 | night | 01:42 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: are you done with the cleanup or should I also take a look ? | 01:42 |
| djszapi | you should take a look whenever you have time. I am also a human making mistakes. | 01:43 |
| djszapi | may have overlooked something during the review | 01:43 |
| rZr | djszapi: let me disable those one | 01:44 |
| rZr | there are imported from the debian folders | 01:44 |
| djszapi | I deleted all | 01:45 |
| djszapi | there is nothing to disable | 01:45 |
| djszapi | please read the commrepo description next time | 01:45 |
| rZr | djszapi: i dint not import nokia repo | 01:46 |
| rZr | those are coming from debian | 01:46 |
| djszapi | rZr: there were at least 20-30 packages duplicated with your name as committer. | 01:46 |
| djszapi | as the description writes, please do /not/ submit duplicates in the future. | 01:47 |
| djszapi | it causes very big troubles. Always check whether or not a package is available in the "official" repositories first. | 01:47 |
| rZr | djszapi: then delete them also in debian project | 01:48 |
| rZr | well i can understand the issue | 01:48 |
| rZr | i think my helper scripts are not suitable anymore | 01:48 |
| rZr | then the job must be done with a real human brain | 01:49 |
| rZr | i cant do that alone | 01:49 |
| rZr | djszapi: do u deleted them all that are in b3 repo ? | 01:49 |
| djszapi | well there are two options | 01:49 |
| djszapi | 1) Make things cool 2) Do nothing. | 01:50 |
| rZr | i think i'll pick the 2d option in the near future | 01:50 |
| djszapi | I personally do not force you to hurry with pushing, if you cannot do that alone | 01:50 |
| rZr | i used to write import on build scripts | 01:50 |
| rZr | but this not possible anymore | 01:50 |
| rZr | anyway thanks for pointing this out | 01:51 |
| djszapi | it is possible if there is a hook checking against the "official" repositories. | 01:51 |
| rZr | yes I'll have to add that to reuse them again | 01:51 |
| rZr | djszapi: is it clean now ? | 01:52 |
| djszapi | I do not know, but cleaner the least ;-) | 01:52 |
| rZr | ok thank you | 01:52 |
| rZr | let s play w/ fuse again :-) | 01:53 |
| djszapi | rZr: also I will review the maintainers, and probably drop the people not maintaining anything | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: looks like the b3 repos are not set as default yet | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | at least on my N950 | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | I have tried by doing "apt-cache search vala" | 01:54 |
| rZr | one thing to do is to push reliable packages to apps4m repo | 01:54 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: never was default | 01:54 |
| djszapi | rZr: I do not see the point of apps4m | 01:55 |
| djszapi | it is not available for an average user.. They only know OVI ... | 01:55 |
| rZr | this is the official shared repo isnt it ? | 01:55 |
| djszapi | nope | 01:55 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: so what's the purpose of the b3 repo then ? | 01:55 |
| djszapi | as its name says, it is only for apps | 01:55 |
| djszapi | libraries are no-go | 01:56 |
| djszapi | and apps should go into OVI | 01:56 |
| djszapi | to get the proper credentials for their operations, and available for average users | 01:56 |
| rZr | what about opensources apps ? | 01:56 |
| djszapi | opensource apps /can/ go to OVI | 01:56 |
| rZr | severals channels ? | 01:56 |
| rZr | does ovi provide deb-src ? | 01:56 |
| djszapi | I personally see no point in apps4m in case Harmattan | 01:56 |
| djszapi | I do not really understand why it exists | 01:56 |
| rZr | this makes a major reason to dont use ovi for opensources appps | 01:57 |
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| rZr | a4m is a apt souce isnt it ? | 01:57 |
| djszapi | rZr: yes of course, they allow you to put the src there. | 01:57 |
| djszapi | and that is what people do, one click and get the tree. | 01:57 |
| djszapi | a4m does not have business use case imho for Harmattan | 01:57 |
| djszapi | I do not accept its existence | 01:58 |
| rZr | anyway a apt repo is good along ovi | 01:58 |
| djszapi | because Harmattan works according to OVI and unknown credentials | 01:58 |
| djszapi | so many apps will not even work in apps4m | 01:58 |
| djszapi | and ofc not available for average N9 users | 01:58 |
| rZr | or in other words is apt obsolete ? | 01:58 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 01:59 |
| M4rtinK | I have added a question to the apps4m thread about libraries and utilities (libGTK, EFL, espeak, etc.) :) | 01:59 |
| rZr | ovi is not apt based right ? | 01:59 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: that is the Nokia repository | 01:59 |
| djszapi | rZr: not sure I am getting your question | 01:59 |
| rZr | i can see the benefit for endusers to use a fancy store like ovi | 01:59 |
| djszapi | I think apps4m makes almost no sense for Harmattan | 02:00 |
| rZr | but i dont think it is good to prefer it to the debian apt way for opensources apps or libs | 02:00 |
| djszapi | because of the aforementioned reasons. | 02:00 |
| djszapi | rZr: again, open source apps /can/ go into OVI | 02:01 |
| rZr | this come to this question | 02:01 |
| djszapi | they are not tied to closed source ! | 02:01 |
| M4rtinK | well, the main problem with apt is the database size and its processing | 02:01 |
| rZr | how can i publish some app like rsync ? | 02:01 |
| rZr | i am not the author of rsync | 02:01 |
| djszapi | rZr: does not matter | 02:01 |
| rZr | and I want it to be available the apt way | 02:01 |
| M4rtinK | once the repo is big enough, the database is huge and all processing takes a very long time | 02:01 |
| djszapi | rZr: what apt way ? | 02:02 |
| djszapi | sorry I am not getting you | 02:02 |
| djszapi | This is what matters: | 02:02 |
| rZr | M4rtinK: this is a good question | 02:02 |
| rZr | M4rtinK: how bigger compared to freemantle ? | 02:02 |
| djszapi | 1) App is available for everybody 2) App is usable meaning that working with everything (including permissions, capabilities, rights and other things) | 02:02 |
| djszapi | this can be achieved by OVI, period. | 02:03 |
| djszapi | imho apps4m is a NIH for Harmattan | 02:03 |
| rZr | and apt will be used only for nokia binaries ? | 02:03 |
| djszapi | and can technically just fail. | 02:03 |
| M4rtinK | rZr: the extras-devel database has about 5-7 MB | 02:03 |
| M4rtinK | and IIRC has to be downloaded on every update, meaning a check and upgrade can take minutes even if only a single utility was updated | 02:04 |
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| djszapi | rZr: your question does not parse here. | 02:04 |
| M4rtinK | djszapi: well, if they support adding libraries, then it has a usecase | 02:05 |
| rZr | well I fear this topic will not ends today | 02:05 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: please do not speak about IFs | 02:05 |
| rZr | or tonite | 02:05 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: as I was not speaking about IFs. I was speaking about what is existing. | 02:05 |
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| djszapi | M4rtinK: and no, it does not make sense even with libs because c-obs is already there. | 02:05 |
| M4rtinK | and I can see it being really useful for projects like Mer/Nemoo, SHR, etc. as they have currently no graphical application catalogue | 02:06 |
| djszapi | that is what we need for libs. Otoh, apps4meego supporting libraries would force a name violation :) | 02:06 |
| RzR | one last thing that will makes you mad at me | 02:07 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: again, please remain on topic | 02:07 |
| djszapi | I was speaking about /Harmattan/ | 02:07 |
| RzR | do you think it is good to use a closed component to deliver opensources app ? | 02:07 |
| RzR | to use and only rely on | 02:07 |
| M4rtinK | well, adding a ton of COBS "PPAs" is an option, but can create quite a mess + conflicts between package versions if two or more repositories have the same package | 02:07 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: no, it cannot | 02:08 |
| djszapi | it is all about just policy. If the policy is good, it does not depend on location and terms | 02:08 |
| djszapi | it is called apps4meego or c-obs | 02:08 |
| djszapi | does not matter. | 02:08 |
| djszapi | and we already have a better working structure for c-obs | 02:09 |
| djszapi | which has been tested for more years by now | 02:09 |
| M4rtinK | well, at least there is currently no user friendly & graphical way of adding a c-obs repository I know off - there is still room for improvements | 02:09 |
| djszapi | RzR: google is closed source in gazillion ways and yet one of the companies shipping the most of the opensource | 02:10 |
| RzR | djszapi: i am trying to avoid using it | 02:10 |
| M4rtinK | maybe a c-obs client app available from ovi ? :) enter home:username:project and it adds the repository ? :) | 02:10 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: it is not any different for apps4m, it is really just detail | 02:10 |
| RzR | djszapi: seeks.fr aims to be the opensource alternative | 02:10 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: it has nothing to do with architectural decisions. | 02:10 |
| RzR | but fails to | 02:10 |
| Sazpaimon | aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'fennec::/usr/local/lib/fennec-11.0a1/fennec' | 02:11 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: would not really help an end user | 02:11 |
| Sazpaimon | what the heck is this | 02:11 |
| Sazpaimon | how am I supposed to install fennec now | 02:11 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: since the proposed Ui will look for OVI anyways | 02:11 |
| RzR | Sazpaimon: this is a good question | 02:11 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: learn debugging | 02:11 |
| djszapi | syslog and others.... | 02:12 |
| RzR | I am sure the mass market will love this RFTM popup when it click on search firefox | 02:12 |
| djszapi | RzR: FYI, Google has things like Google Summer Of Code, or Google Code-In. I think one of the biggest investors in gazillion ways, yet a closed company in many ways | 02:12 |
| Sazpaimon | nothing in my syslog about aegis | 02:12 |
| RzR | we dont care of google | 02:12 |
| Sazpaimon | or rather, fennec | 02:12 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yes, I know | 02:12 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: it is a simple packaging issue | 02:13 |
| djszapi | and packaging installation | 02:13 |
| djszapi | general unix trouble | 02:13 |
| RzR | if we do we'll be in #android | 02:13 |
| djszapi | I do care | 02:13 |
| djszapi | and many people do care hare. | 02:13 |
| RzR | so join them | 02:13 |
| djszapi | here* | 02:13 |
| djszapi | I did ? | 02:13 |
| RzR | i am sure they could hire you | 02:13 |
| djszapi | actually, it is #necessitas, not #android | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon | okay so how do I work around this | 02:13 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm using the nightlies at http://romaxa.bolshe.net/fennec/ | 02:14 |
| RzR | Sazpaimon: that one used to work | 02:14 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: your package is wrong | 02:14 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: fix your package | 02:14 |
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| Sazpaimon | actually wait, I just ran the same command again and it worked | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon | wtf | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon | i didnt change the deb one byte | 02:14 |
| Sazpaimon | and now it works | 02:14 |
| djszapi | it is not just about the debian ... | 02:14 |
| RzR | are you using the b3 apt source ? | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | okay fennec nightly segfaults right now | 02:15 |
| djszapi | RzR: moreover, trolltech was also closed in many ways for Qt improvements | 02:15 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I'll stick with aurora | 02:15 |
| djszapi | yet, they started making this great platform we have for making mobile stuff | 02:15 |
| djszapi | you mean arora | 02:15 |
| djszapi | not aurora, lol | 02:16 |
| RzR | djszapi: how to build that one https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=sshfs-fuse&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan ? | 02:16 |
| Sazpaimon | no, its mozilla aurora | 02:16 |
| Sazpaimon | as opposed to central/nightly which i was using | 02:16 |
| RzR | djszapi: dup harmattan b3 fuse into that shared repo ? | 02:16 |
| djszapi | RzR: with patience ? | 02:16 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: not getting you... but ok... | 02:16 |
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| djszapi | this is available by default on the phone | 02:17 |
| djszapi | I would personally recommend that for personal usage | 02:17 |
| RzR | I am lost | 02:17 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/fuse/ | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | RzR, while you're here | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | your rdesktop package makes me sad | 02:17 |
| djszapi | RzR: there is your libfuse-dev | 02:17 |
| djszapi | again, be just patient | 02:17 |
| Sazpaimon | I can't use it on my N9 at all thanks to no vkb :( | 02:17 |
| RzR | djszapi: then what ? I want to use it to build sshfs ? | 02:18 |
| djszapi | RzR: sorry, but what do you mean ? Could please clarify ? | 02:18 |
| RzR | Sazpaimon: BT! | 02:18 |
| RzR | djszapi: I want to use sshfs | 02:18 |
| djszapi | so ... ? | 02:18 |
| * djszapi does not understand the problem | 02:18 | |
| RzR | which is a fuse client ok ? | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | RzR, I may as well carry around my N900 then :P | 02:18 |
| Sazpaimon | I would kill for an RDP client that worked like SymRDP on touchscreen symbian phones | 02:19 |
| Sazpaimon | have you seen it? | 02:19 |
| RzR | so to use sshfs I need to build sshfs, right? | 02:19 |
| djszapi | so ... ? | 02:19 |
| djszapi | could you please tell me the point ? | 02:19 |
| RzR | and obs does not have b3 repo | 02:19 |
| djszapi | it does have. | 02:19 |
| djszapi | since that is the public SDK anyway | 02:20 |
| RzR | how comes it said that libfuse-dev is not available ? | 02:20 |
| djszapi | okay, I give up ... | 02:20 |
| djszapi | I told you many times, *patience* | 02:20 |
| djszapi | the build queue is not really there to update that information yet, since there are other layers to build first! | 02:21 |
| RzR | ok | 02:21 |
| djszapi | just do not panic, ok ? | 02:21 |
| RzR | i can wait the my turn | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | oh hey guys | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | i got lightspark installed on my N9 and the browser plugin seems to be loading | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | on fennec that is | 02:22 |
| Sazpaimon | the plugin seems to be crashing though, I think its an xlib issue | 02:22 |
| RzR | djszapi: last question how the beta3 url will be added to /etc/apt/source on device ? | 02:23 |
| RzR | upgrade of harmattan-repo package | 02:23 |
| djszapi | RzR: just like any other betas... | 02:23 |
| RzR | ocf ? | 02:24 |
| RzR | i dont remember | 02:24 |
| djszapi | landing page please in the topic | 02:24 |
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| djszapi | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free -> it writes this | 02:25 |
| djszapi | if it is not enough, please add the repo address to the wikipage, so that others can also use it ... | 02:25 |
| djszapi | but I hope it is all fine ... | 02:26 |
| Sazpaimon | also I just noticed that fennec rotates in all 4 directions | 02:26 |
| Sazpaimon | thats cool | 02:26 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO X-Fade has to manually add the beta 3 debs | 02:26 |
| RzR | djszapi: well i am sure this should be added by hands | 02:26 |
| RzR | djszapi: i am not sure ... | 02:27 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: even if that was the case, not any biggie | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | to the Harmattan target - at leas I remember him doing it for beta 2 | 02:27 |
| djszapi | and already working so would probably be done anyways | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | yeah - just to clarify why its not there yet | 02:27 |
| djszapi | RzR: please decide first whether you are sure or not :) | 02:27 |
| djszapi | those two posts were rather controversial | 02:27 |
| RzR | i just omited the not the 1st time | 02:27 |
| djszapi | and yes, these repositories must be added by hand | 02:27 |
| djszapi | as like since ever | 02:28 |
| RzR | i dont think this is nice to | 02:28 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: beta3 /is/ there. | 02:28 |
| djszapi | X-Fade was the first person mentioning me the beta3 repo url really :) | 02:28 |
| djszapi | RzR: file a bug report against Nokia ? | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | oh | 02:29 |
| djszapi | and yes, it is very nice they ship that many softwares | 02:29 |
| matrixx | ok.. now I've been beaten to do this, but here's a sneak prev of tomorrow: http://koti.kapsi.fi/matrixx/meego/funkyocean.png | 02:29 |
| matrixx | from my device :) | 02:29 |
| djszapi | matrixx: is it related to your theme changer ? | 02:30 |
| matrixx | djszapi: yes :P | 02:30 |
| matrixx | I had to do one custom theme to show it works :D | 02:30 |
| matrixx | community QA can't review it otherwise | 02:30 |
| djszapi | ahh, okay :) | 02:30 |
| matrixx | I have still two icons from the preinstalled apps which aren't working, but once I'll sort that out, I'll upload this to apps.formeego.org | 02:31 |
| djszapi | matrixx: make sure it works with unknown credentials. | 02:31 |
| matrixx | djszapi: do you expect there might be some problems? | 02:32 |
| matrixx | djszapi: the package creates folders under /usr/share/themes | 02:32 |
| djszapi | if you request OVI credentials, yes | 02:32 |
| djszapi | if not, it is okay, just check against those. | 02:32 |
| matrixx | naah, I don't need any ovi stuff | 02:33 |
| RzR | troll time ! | 02:39 |
| RzR | ovi is to apt , what aegis is to root :-) | 02:39 |
| RzR | ok ok i shut up | 02:39 |
| ieatlint | no tacos for you | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: would you take the +o burden? | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | I will I will | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | what burden though, it's a quality channel | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | done | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | huh | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | oh... | 03:15 |
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| MohammadAG | you weren't joking | 03:15 |
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| MohammadAG | holy crap you weren't joking for real | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you know -* always works on your own account, so keep it or drop it | 03:19 |
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| ieatlint | it's like a geek version of a coup | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | coup is a rather ambiguous term in english | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | up to and not ending at coup d'etat | 03:29 |
| ieatlint | english is a great language because i abuse so many different languages in the same sentence | 03:32 |
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| strannik1 | Psycho_oreos: hey | 03:47 |
| strannik1 | Psycho_oreos: you there? | 03:48 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | strannik1, here now, whats news? | 07:01 |
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| hiemanshu | I have a qmlRegisterUncreatableType<Bash>("Zitat", 1, 0, "Bash" ,"") in my app, but when I do import Zitat 1.0 in QML it fails to run on device (this is for harmattan) | 08:07 |
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| ieatlint | any errors? | 08:43 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: file:///opt/zitat/qml/zitat/main.qml:3:1: module "Zitat" is not installed | 08:49 |
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| ieatlint | and your import line is "import Zitat 1.0"? | 08:56 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 09:02 |
| ieatlint | dunno then, might be some sort of uri error | 09:07 |
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| hiemanshu | I have the default 1.1.3 SDK layout, with qmlapplicationviewer and such | 09:29 |
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| gabriel9 | morning | 10:18 |
| jonni | hiemanshu: and you register the type in c++ before the main.qml is loaded? or does the same app work on desktop? | 10:21 |
| hiemanshu | jonni: yes | 10:22 |
| hiemanshu | for first, no for second | 10:22 |
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| jonni | bluetooth keyboard on N9 is pretty handy, just managed to get it working on PR1.1 | 10:23 |
| jonni | hiemanshu: do you have sources somewhere online? | 10:23 |
| hiemanshu | nope, I have barely written 20 lines of code | 10:26 |
| hiemanshu | found something online, trying it | 10:26 |
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| jonni | why are you using uncreatable, your using it only for enums? | 10:29 |
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| hiemanshu | I am going to fix that | 10:34 |
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| Jare_ | i think aegis disabled access to one file, when i tried to edit it. How can i get the access back? The file isn't removed even if i remove the package with dpkg | 11:19 |
| frals | doesnt sound like something aegis would do afaik | 11:22 |
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| trupheenix | hello. does anyone know where i can get the latest firmware PR1.1 image for my Nokia N9? | 11:29 |
| petteri | wait for it to be officially released on your country | 11:29 |
| petteri | it has major bugs that are sorted out, that is why they are delaying it | 11:30 |
| tabasko_ | petteri: are account remembering problems one of those bugs? | 11:31 |
| Jare_ | well i tried to edit and write it with nano and after that the filesize changed to 0B and i can't move or remove the file due to "Permission denied" error | 11:32 |
| tabasko_ | pretty annoying that n9 forgets my gmail/twitter/fb/everything account passwords after reboots and so | 11:32 |
| petteri | tabasko_: no idea. Mine does not forget | 11:33 |
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| tabasko_ | petteri: but you have PR1.1? | 11:33 |
| petteri | yes | 11:33 |
| razvanpetru | mine doesn't forget either | 11:34 |
| tabasko_ | what are major bugs then? Account lost did start to happen after I upgraded | 11:34 |
| razvanpetru | hm, so we will have 1.2 soon if there are major bugs in 1.1? | 11:34 |
| razvanpetru | because I already have 1.1... | 11:34 |
| petteri | maybe it will be 1.1.1, I don't have any details, sorry | 11:35 |
| trupheenix | i don't want an OTA i want a image which i can flash onto my N9 | 11:35 |
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| tabasko_ | I tried to reset my connection settings with $gconftool --recursive-unset /system/{http-proxy,http,osso} | 11:36 |
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| tabasko_ | but no luck either | 11:36 |
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| razvanpetru | 1.1.1 sounds good :) | 11:36 |
| razvanpetru | I have seen no major issues in 1.1 fortunantely | 11:37 |
| tabasko_ | do I need some software for reseting my n9, or does just hitting reset at settings do the job? | 11:37 |
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| tabasko_ | althought my backup propably will take back my problems too.. | 11:38 |
| deram | I think the reset in menus only cleanup user data, not the system, so recovery from backup probably will bring the device in same exact state it is currently | 11:43 |
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| jonni | tabasko_: if you really want to reset everything, you add "--erase-user-data=secure --erase-mmc=secure" on your flasher commandline | 11:48 |
| jonni | that will nuke your every setting to default ones | 11:49 |
| jonni | increases flashing time 5-10 minutes though | 11:49 |
| jonni | but most likely the UI's reset settings is enough | 11:50 |
| jreznik | most of people I know experienced battery problems with 1.1 - it stands for three hours max, for me it was fixed somehow automagically... any clue? for other desperate guys :) | 11:50 |
| razvanpetru | ha, never got that thankfully | 11:50 |
| razvanpetru | maybe they added this to compete with iphone 4s :P | 11:51 |
| jonni | jreznik: havent notived I usually manage couple of days before putting it back to charger. | 11:51 |
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| flux | jreznik, does your device get warm after charging? | 11:52 |
| flux | oh, yours went away | 11:52 |
| jreznik | flux: yep, somehow, magically | 11:52 |
| flux | well, I've once noticed that a web browser process ate 13 hours of cpu time during the night | 11:52 |
| jreznik | so I can't reproduce it anymore to find the real cause of this issue | 11:52 |
| flux | I noticed in the morning because the device was warm, and 'top' pointed out the problem | 11:53 |
| jreznik | I installed it too late - for me it happened about twice times but other people has to recharge, restart and then it's ok - so some running process eating battery but as they are just users I don't know how to help them (or explain how to run top even I tried) | 11:54 |
| Jare_ | has anyone got openvpn starting automatically? I'm only able to start it manually as a user with "develsh /etc/init.d/openvpn start" | 11:55 |
| jonni | Jare_: just add script to autostart directory? | 11:57 |
| trupheenix | i have pr1.1 running on another N9. i don't face any of the problems you guys mention. :-| | 11:57 |
| nid0 | +1 for no problems, a couple of my accounts needed passwords re-entering after first reflashing to 1.1 but i've had 0 problems since then | 12:00 |
| Jare_ | jonni: umm, where exactly? Somewhere under /etc i suppose.. | 12:03 |
| jonni | Jare_: 3rd party applications autostart directory is /etc/init/apps/, scripts under that dir are runned at the end of the boot. | 12:04 |
| Jare_ | ok, i'll try that | 12:05 |
| macmaN | Jare_: i think im going to look into openvpn today | 12:08 |
| macmaN | Jare_: are you having to do the full develsh, develsu, develsh dance? | 12:08 |
| tabasko_ | jonni: flasher commandline? So I need to get flasher program from nokia to reflash? | 12:10 |
| tabasko_ | too bad MacFlasher seems to be unavailable, need to boot on linux side | 12:10 |
| tabasko_ | from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 12:11 |
| tabasko_ | ? | 12:11 |
| jonni | tabasko_: reset from the UI is enough for 99.5% of times, flasher program only needed for rare occasions. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=MacFlasher_3.12.1.dmg | 12:12 |
| tabasko_ | jonni: can I use backup to restore my stuff, or will that likely to restore my problem too? | 12:13 |
| jonni | tabasko_: usually backup works, but I have no idea what apps you have installed in your phone, so cannot say if it restores the problem or not. | 12:14 |
| jonni | usually I just re-enter the few account datas from scratch just to be on safe side, so I havent tested backup/restore for a while | 12:15 |
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| tabasko_ | games, and regular news-apps. Only hack might be meecast for notify area | 12:15 |
| Jare_ | macmaN: nope just develsh. I modified the original openvpn deb a bit by adding _aegis file in it. I think that made the difference, because before that i had to do the full develsh devel-su develsh dance | 12:17 |
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| diggy_N950 | hi all! | 12:30 |
| diggy_N950 | Q: is there a way to set mail app to leave messages on server? | 12:30 |
| andre__ | for POP accounts? | 12:33 |
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| gri | ~seen spenap | 12:53 |
| infobot | spenap <spena@nat/nokia/x-ovougnppenzanpau> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 1h 39m 50s ago, saying: 'poutsi, while you could probably have better feedback in #harmattan, I think this could be related to audio resources. Maybe this app is requesting the audio resources and does not release them until it quits, and due to that, the music app cannot play'. | 12:53 |
| trupheenix | does anyone know where i can get the image to flash onto the N9? i remember the process was so easy for N900! | 12:53 |
| gri | infobot: You're not up to date, he was on yesterday :) | 12:54 |
| infobot | no *you're* not up to date, he was on yesterday :) | 12:54 |
| tabasko_ | jonni: I used navifirm to download some PR1.1 firmwares, what does DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM | 12:56 |
| tabasko_ | or DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.NORTHERNEUROPE_EMMC_NORTHERNEUROPE.bin | 12:56 |
| tabasko_ | stand for? :o | 12:56 |
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| andre__ | tabasko_, EMMC is the content on the device (maps data etc) | 12:59 |
| andre__ | PR is the firmware | 12:59 |
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| jonni | yep first one the the firmware, and second one is the emmc (like MAP & navigation data), you can flash them in the same command like -f -F [firmwarefile] -F [emmcfile] -R | 13:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~פןמע | 13:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 13:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh, i thoguht i was timeouted | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Is there way to add own share plugins? | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean that they would be supported globally? | 13:46 |
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| xarcass | ZogG_laptop: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?227356-MeeGo-Sharing-Framework-plugin-in-Harmattan | 13:55 |
| macmaN | Jare_: care to share your manifest? theres openvpn thread on fmo, perhaps put your experience in there? | 13:57 |
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| macmaN | Jare_: im also thinking openvpn should be handled by the ifup ifdown framework of wifi/3g | 13:58 |
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| Tronic | Any words on WebGL support from Nokia yet? | 14:35 |
| Tronic | (or any other info, for that matter) | 14:36 |
| leinir | i hope not... biggest security risk in the web today - direct hardware access from a website? i think not ;) | 14:38 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 14:40 |
| Tronic | leinir: Not a big security risk really, and easily sandboxed well enough. | 14:41 |
| * leinir hides, giggling maniacally, having spread today's evil ;) | 14:41 | |
| Tronic | leinir: Microsoft FUD seems to be working well, though. | 14:41 |
| leinir | well yes - http://games.greggman.com/game/webgl-security-and-microsoft-bullshit/ explains it nicely | 14:42 |
| Tronic | Yep.. | 14:42 |
| leinir | though the argument "Yeah, but theirs is just as bad!" isn't really a particularly good argument | 14:42 |
| * Tronic wonders if Firefox still allows remote DoS by feeding a too large text/plain document. | 14:42 | |
| Tronic | Traditionally gigantic HTML tables have also been effective at freezing entire operating systems. | 14:43 |
| RST38h | not any mmore, we have got css for that | 14:44 |
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| Zoltan | hey guys, i made a small helloworld qtquick application in qtcreator, i set up my n9 in linux devices, device config test were successful, but if i try to run the app on the device, it says Remote process started. then sh: /opt/testap/bin/testap: not found... any idea? | 14:50 |
| Zoltan | latest sdk, linux | 14:51 |
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| jabis | build->deploy->run ? | 14:57 |
| jabis | the steps you took? | 14:57 |
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| Zoltan | build -> run; run makes deployment, doesn't it? | 14:58 |
| jabis | I had to deploy it first for some odd reason (I'm on windows nao, can't check) | 14:59 |
| jabis | it should deploy it when you want to run it, but perhaps it didn't (as the not found issue occurs) | 15:00 |
| Zoltan | btw, if i copy the binary and qml dir to the device by hand via ssh, it's working well | 15:00 |
| jabis | yeh - sounds the deployment didn't go smoothly then :) | 15:01 |
| jreznik | Zoltan: hmm, I heard about the same error yesterday... but works for me well, so can't help here | 15:01 |
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| flux | does the n9 flasher work with n900 as well? | 15:35 |
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| Kaadlajk | nope | 15:37 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade ping ... | 15:39 |
| djszapi | X-Fade will the apps4meego really get any support from Nokia credential-wise | 15:39 |
| djszapi | ? | 15:39 |
| djszapi | are there any negotiations ongoing ? | 15:39 |
| dm8tbr | I was under the impression it would have more or less the same credentials. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Yes, we're talking to management about that. | 15:44 |
| dm8tbr | It is always possible though that it was decided otherwise meanwhile, so we'll only see once it's fully unrolled. | 15:44 |
| Zoltan | jabis, jreznik_: i found it... so...run button doesn't deploy (i don't know why not, it seems like it should do), there is a deploy project item in the Build menu. it does the magic :) so: 1. compile 2. "manual deploy" from the menu 3. run 4. i'm happy :] | 15:44 |
| Zoltan | and thanks for you comments | 15:45 |
| jreznik_ | Zoltan: so check project settings if you have correct deployment step | 15:45 |
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| Zoltan | jreznik_: there are 2 steps in my run settings currently 1. create package 2. deploy debian package via sftp; should i have more? | 15:47 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: so nothing agreed then that. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Case presented, awaiting decision. | 15:49 |
| jonni | Sazpaimon: have you tested rdesktop with bluetooth keyboard on N9? | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Tested the policy. Everything is ready there. | 15:50 |
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| jreznik_ | Zoltan: I expect it's enough... I don't have my harm devel ws with correct setup here, so I can't check it right now | 15:50 |
| djszapi | X-Fade what policy ? | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | My device likes apps from Apps a lot more than yours :D | 15:50 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: sorry, but we need clear vision | 15:51 |
| djszapi | if OVI caps are not supported, there is nothing to discuss on my part. | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | We should get an answer next week. | 15:52 |
| djszapi | sure ... but what is the proposal ? | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | Those caps. | 15:52 |
| djszapi | the same like for OVI ? | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | yes. | 15:52 |
| Zoltan | jreznik_: i can add additional steps, but these don't seem related; btw, i'm happy with the current process now :) | 15:52 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: how would an average user use apps4meego ? | 15:52 |
| djszapi | available by default on the firmware ? | 15:53 |
| djszapi | aiding application in OVI to set up stuff ? | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | With the client or the website. | 15:53 |
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| djszapi | website is no go imho | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Install the client from the site and see. | 15:53 |
| djszapi | what is this client thingie ? | 15:53 |
| djszapi | I do not have time for that now. | 15:53 |
| djszapi | we are in the middle of a sprint, and soon social event :) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | http://apps.formeego.org/n9client | 15:54 |
| djszapi | but anyway ... if an average user does not have pains with it, I am ok with this ... | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Client is already quite smooth. | 15:54 |
| djszapi | X-Fade imho it would be way better to have an OVI app | 15:54 |
| djszapi | that sets stuff up ... | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, that is the idea. | 15:54 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: could apps4meego pull deps from c-obs ? | 15:55 |
| djszapi | if a user wanna install somethingie ? | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It is just a repo. | 15:55 |
| djszapi | so put it mildly: can we avoid the dependency hell in the same package with apps4meego ? | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: So it will solve dependencies from the repo. | 15:55 |
| djszapi | by default ? | 15:56 |
| djszapi | without user interaction ? | 15:56 |
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| djszapi | the super powa OVI will do that, too ? | 15:56 |
| djszapi | OVI app* | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Atm we are testing with pure SDK dependencies only. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | So no external dependencies. | 15:56 |
| djszapi | I do not speak about implementation an dtesting | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Well, only from Nokia-apps repo. | 15:56 |
| djszapi | I am speaking about theory. | 15:56 |
| djszapi | if this is not possible, it is not any different than OVI imo | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Atm no external dependencies. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | We need to discuss the apps+ concept. Where we have a centrally managed shared libs repo. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | But that needs a lot of thought. | 15:57 |
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| X-Fade | As you have seen how messy external deps can be. | 15:57 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: *nods*, read my cleanup last night | 15:58 |
| djszapi | people tend to not respect the quality :) | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yeah, that is painful. | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: So that really needs proper policies worked out. | 15:58 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: anyway, if this is not possible, it is an OVI NIH .... | 15:58 |
| djszapi | reinveting the wheel imho | 15:58 |
| djszapi | since it will basically do the same what OVI has already been doing. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, well it is a community thing. Come up with a good proposal, help work it out. | 16:00 |
| djszapi | X-Fade yes, it is very important | 16:00 |
| djszapi | I would surely help with my vision when I have time. | 16:00 |
| djszapi | todo++ | 16:00 |
| djszapi | it seems we are now setting up a debian repository for harmattan anyway | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :) | 16:01 |
| djszapi | as a fallback way for c-obs bugs .... | 16:01 |
| djszapi | so kde developers do not need to wait weeks to write few LOC | 16:01 |
| djszapi | ofc, that repo has a compromise, we do not reinvent the c-obs | 16:02 |
| djszapi | hence, fallback. | 16:02 |
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| Jare_ | aegis-loader: Failed loading policy for 'openvpn::/etc/init.d/openvpn' <- any ideas why, since the same <request></request> works for "/usr/sbin/openvpn"? | 16:41 |
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| djszapi | Jare_: /etc/init.d ?? | 16:43 |
| djszapi | sorry, but Harmattan is upstart based. | 16:43 |
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| macmaN | Jare_: are you going to leave your openvpn started 24/7? | 17:00 |
| Jare_ | aegis-loader fails also for the scripts under /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn and /etc/network/if-down.d/openvpn | 17:02 |
| Jare_ | umm no? | 17:02 |
| Jare_ | i was planning to use those if-up and if-down scripts for controlling it | 17:03 |
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| djszapi | Jare_: use upstart | 17:09 |
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| djszapi | mmm, devel-su is not possible on PR 1.1 ... | 17:17 |
| RST38h | djszapi: I am sure it is for your own good | 17:18 |
| Jare_ | djszapi: is there any documentation on how do i control starting/stopping a daemon with upstart when a network interface comes up/down? | 17:20 |
| Jare_ | djszapi: what? I'm using PR1.1 and it works just fine.. | 17:20 |
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| djszapi | Jare_: upstart guide | 17:33 |
| djszapi | Jare_: it does not work here. | 17:33 |
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| Sput | djszapi: I *think* you have to deploy your developer keys first | 17:37 |
| Sput | if you already did that and it still doesn't work, well then iDunno | 17:37 |
| djszapi | we dunno either :) | 17:38 |
| Sput | I know I've used devel-su on my N9 post-upgrade | 17:39 |
| jabis | N9 devel-su works but throws an error everytiem setting the environment | 17:40 |
| jabis | so something fishy going on there | 17:41 |
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| merlin1991 | devel-su complains about nothing here | 17:58 |
| Jare_ | ok, now aegis doesn't complain about openvpn in dmesg on boot and i'm able to start it as a user without extra privileges, but no luck with the upstart script yet | 18:00 |
| dm8tbr | Jare_: shiny! :) | 18:01 |
| djszapi | Jare_: the upstart jos are pretty simple and there are tons of available samples inside the /etc/init directory | 18:01 |
| djszapi | jobs* | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | jabis: http://pastebin.com/uiswsiMH | 18:02 |
| Jare_ | i tried to add a simple script under /etc/init/apps, but i didn't get any info into syslog on boot :I | 18:03 |
| djszapi | Jare_: you need to wait 1-2 minutes | 18:06 |
| djszapi | those apps jobs run the last. | 18:06 |
| jabis | merlin1991: try to set the env ( devel-su - ) | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | true | 18:08 |
| jabis | mesg: Operation not permitted | 18:09 |
| djszapi | yes, the same here. | 18:09 |
| jabis | tho haven't found out what's exactly failing - most of the stuff I do seem to work | 18:10 |
| djszapi | jabis: can you please give the output of "develsh && accli -I" ? | 18:11 |
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| jabis | djszapi: just the busybox without error | 18:13 |
| jabis | uh oh but that as running in devel-su, wait I'll release it | 18:13 |
| jabis | djszapi: http://pastebin.com/XJjhvPJQ | 18:14 |
| djszapi | sorry, it is not develsh, it is root | 18:14 |
| djszapi | I need a simple user based develsh | 18:14 |
| jabis | yeh I just noticed | 18:15 |
| jabis | djszapi: http://pastebin.com/RipBkCH9 | 18:15 |
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| djszapi | thanks. Seems to be rather broken | 18:16 |
| jabis | what's the expected? | 18:16 |
| djszapi | all the OVI stuff | 18:16 |
| jabis | http://pastebin.com/CYVr7TYj tried again running separate commands | 18:17 |
| jabis | a bit more tokens | 18:17 |
| djszapi | well, you seem tobe root this time | 18:18 |
| jabis | uid & gid user | users | 18:19 |
| djszapi | and yes, that is the expected develsh stuff independently from the user/root. | 18:19 |
| djszapi | no | 18:19 |
| djszapi | IMEI: # | 18:19 |
| djszapi | "#" means root on linux | 18:19 |
| jabis | I just blanked it with hash x) | 18:19 |
| jabis | don't want my imei hanging around interwebs | 18:20 |
| djszapi | wow, you did "#" as the last character of your prompt ? | 18:20 |
| djszapi | even that you should have the user entry, ~ or something like that | 18:20 |
| djszapi | also, adding "#" as the last character of the prompt is rather dirty | 18:20 |
| jabis | djszapi: what's your devel-su package version | 18:24 |
| jabis | ii busybox-devel- 3:1.19-8+0m6 | 18:25 |
| djszapi | jabis: I do not know that version aforementioned. The guy was leaving the sprint | 18:25 |
| djszapi | the problem was on his device | 18:25 |
| jabis | oh | 18:25 |
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| merlin1991 | 3:1.19-8+0m6 on my device (busybox-devel-su) | 18:31 |
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| jonni | Jare_: and you remembered to to +x to to your /etc/init/apps/ script? and tried to run script manually too? | 18:43 |
| djszapi | jonni: no real need for +x | 18:44 |
| npm | heh, interesting people visit meego forums, by way of included images: gatekeeper4.fcc.gov - - [17/Nov/2011:15:31:10 -0800] "GET /voicetogoog/voicetogoog-0.2.0-harmattan-detailview.png HTTP/1.1" 200 201841 "http://forum.meego.$ | 18:44 |
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| Jare_ | actually i forgot to add .conf after it, but it works atm | 18:44 |
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| jonni | djszapi: well no real need, but just old habit that usually +x is nice thing to have | 18:45 |
| Jare_ | anyway now i need to get it working with if up/down | 18:46 |
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| djszapi | so the best way to change qmlS is not putting them into the resource file ... | 18:49 |
| djszapi | otherwise it is a bit long for large projects. | 18:50 |
| djszapi | fakeroot ./debian/rules binary seems to still be an overhead. | 18:50 |
| Jare_ | fufuufufuu: "# Start on stanza is ignored for 3rd party apps" and "# stop on (only "core_shutdown" and "stopping xsession" allowed)" | 19:00 |
| Jare_ | ah nevermind | 19:02 |
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| gabriel9 | hai | 19:22 |
| gabriel9 | is there any pdf version of api? | 19:22 |
| gabriel9 | i'm going on the trip | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | 'of api' ? | 19:28 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: yo | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, rm_work. | 19:29 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: how's your general motivation level these days? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very, very low. | 19:29 |
| rm_work | same >_> | 19:29 |
| rm_work | i was hoping you could get me motivated | 19:29 |
| rm_work | but i guess i figured you were about the same :P | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't accomplished shit in the last couple months. | 19:29 |
| * SpeedEvil fits duracell batteries to GeneralAntilles so he can keep going and going and going. | 19:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just watching other people like javispedro do fun things. | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should buy a MetaWatch, by the way. | 19:30 |
| rm_work | something about knowing that no one i know will ever be able to run my apps | 19:30 |
| rm_work | because US/UK/Germany are all out | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 19:30 |
| rm_work | and that i wouldn't recommend the N9 anyway because it has no hardware keyboard | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | All out? | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | WEre there any ever there? | 19:31 |
| rm_work | and that BECAUSE the US/UK/Germany are all out, i will also never get any real commercially supported apps that exist on Android/iOS >_> | 19:31 |
| ieatlint | i have a lot of people ask me where i got my phone here in california | 19:31 |
| rm_work | lol well, I originally assumed the phone would be SOLD in major countries | 19:31 |
| ieatlint | it'd have sold if they got a carrier here to sponsor it :( | 19:31 |
| rm_work | i guess that was a false assumption | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't understand why it's so cheap inmalaysia. | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | If it still is. | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - it'd pay to make a trip, buy 10 phones, and flog them on ebay. | 19:32 |
| ieatlint | how much is/was it in malaysia? | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC about 60% of the normal cost. | 19:33 |
| ieatlint | i run into this far too often http://www.xkcd.com/979/ :( | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Same. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Except the one-hit is usually me. | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, I hate that. | 19:35 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i get that, or gitorious with the source code that prints the error message itself | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish the N950 would actually stay connected to WiFi | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | SpeedEvil | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | yea api | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | tuts | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | anything | 19:39 |
| gabriel9 | just to keep me busy | 19:39 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: interestingly, i've had mixed results with that | 19:39 |
| ieatlint | when i got the phone, i had X wifi ap, and it worked fine | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | then i replaced it with Y and it kept resetting the connection and timing out -- and it wasn't power save, it was draining my battery faster | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | now i'm on Z, it works perfectly again.. wifi stays connected | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | never bothered to track down what was happening though | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same AP here | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worked fine initially (for the most part) | 19:41 |
| ieatlint | ok, i've got to go drive to work so they think i'm doing something and pay me... | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now it's never on WiFi when I unlock it. | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | EHLO, GeneralAntilles. How is life? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uninteresting and tiring. | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You? | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | General: Winter. | 19:59 |
| RST38h | But I guess "interesting" would apply as well, in a perverse sense | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | moo, javispedro | 20:08 |
| javispedro | hey | 20:08 |
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| macmaN | sup Jare_ | 20:15 |
| macmaN | saw you got upstart working, i guess no ifup/down yet? | 20:15 |
| Jare_ | this would be quite trivial, if i got aegis-loader load the policy for /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn and /etc/network/if-down.d/openvpn | 20:17 |
| Jare_ | i don't quite get why it fails, since it works for /usr/sbin/openvpn.. | 20:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: hey, i only now figured out that it's you this pursone on g+ i follow and he follows me =) | 20:23 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Mmmm? | 20:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | RST38h: marat right? | 20:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | everyone asleep? | 21:20 |
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| timakima | not me. i'm wondering why n9 doesn't support wpa2 in wifi hotspot. and can't sleep because of it. | 21:23 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Yes. But I am not sure what you mean. | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: yes, except the bots which never sleep ;-) | 22:01 |
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| * javispedro yawns | 22:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Quiet earth | 22:07 |
| javispedro | stupid weekend, didn't got my vga card, didn't got my videogames | 22:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer off for booze, too depressing on IRC today | 22:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | you even missed the silent funeral of CSSU | 22:08 |
| javispedro | you are calling it dead too early | 22:09 |
| javispedro | and this comes from a person who is a pessimist. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | CSSU died? | 22:10 |
| andre__ | I'd rather say: not many people at a meeting. | 22:10 |
| RST38h | NEVER.GIVE.UP | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | who puts a meeting on a friday.. | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's not one maintainer proxy standing up during a week of advertising this postition, and none of the original maintainers nor contributors shown up for weekly meeting today | 22:11 |
| andre__ | I didn't see that advertisement anyway. | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so let's start CSSU guerrilla clan | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-11-14.log.html#t2011-11-14T18:00:36 | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=%23topic-11-18 | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and finally http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/search?q=%23topic-11-18+T+maintainer | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (who puts a meeting on a friday) those wo don't show up next friday | 22:24 |
| RST38h | DocScrutinizer <== excessively morbid tonight | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Just get yourself an iph^H^Handroid and smile! B)< | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I got an offer for a free GTA04 | 22:25 |
| RST38h | is it like a unicorn? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus "inclusion to the inner circle" - whatever that means | 22:26 |
| RST38h | This thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZzxmHzWtg ? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | unicorn? nah, still like a shower radio | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Free hardware is scary! | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Doc: It sounds like an euphemism for the "enema" | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, HTML5 video | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ | 22:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: eh... | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard SHR is ported 90% | 22:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wondered whether it'd be possible to throw a tweaked fremantle image at it | 22:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably main issue is the LCD resolution | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 640*480 :-S | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon prolly will blow chunks on that | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | next PITA: libisi and friends | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we had fremantle on beagleboard, so not impossible i'd say | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | modem wise.. more nasty | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'd just generally go for replacing the modem using apps | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's exactly those apps, namely dialer, who make a huge part of fremantle's attractiveness | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather the integration of dialer, contacts, VoIP | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | well hmm | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | messaging | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it telepathy-ring based? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | so i wouldn't say directly tied to libisi | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | my idea, replace libisi by sth that looks like libisi to tp and uses the AT based interface of that GTA04 modem | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or patch tp to use native AT of the modem | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | latter is probably easier | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | still, why bother.. | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm tired | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | yep, go booze | 22:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 22:41 | |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer: could it use FSO ? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, I said it is already running SHR afaik | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | well, for that fremantle port/hack :) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, yeah fso would provide the interface to modem for telepathy then | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | a concept I suggested for hijacking meego long time ago - make FSO provide ofono-compatible APIs in parallel to the genuine one, then replace ofono and all the other freaky stuff by one coherent middleware layer FSO | 23:32 |
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| diggy_N950 | hi * | 23:51 |
| diggy_N950 | anyone know how to set leave messages on server for the mail app? | 23:51 |
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