IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-11-10

MohammadAGnot being bitchy or anything00:00
MohammadAGbut as a oper on another server, ignore lists aren't the best way to moderate a channel00:00
faenildjszapi: I finally fixed my raypicking implementation issue! :D00:00
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-09 22:38:48] <DocScrutinizer> I face the problem of irc chanops usually mustn't /ignore as otherwise they miss due /bans00:00
faenilbut don't know if I have told you about that xD00:00
VenemoDocScrutinizer, methinks that you're on his ignore list as well.00:00
DocScrutinizeryou can't figure how that's depressing me00:01
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I don't see your problem, so far I only have a single /ignore00:01
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DocScrutinizerprint_chanlog | grep -v <djszapi>  ;# will make you see my problem00:02
DocScrutinizerit makes no sense, it's sometimes funny bit most of the time friggin annoying00:03
jabis_If I were that helpful at work - I'd have none :O00:03
DocScrutinizerI only notice other users feeling pissed about sth I luckily don't have to read - it makes me sad00:03
Venemohehe00:03
ajalkaneI'd never ignore djszapi. One third of the discussions, especially some months back, would have been totally gibberish if you didn't see his lines.00:04
MohammadAGanyway00:04
faenilis there any qr reader out on the store?00:04
ajalkaneHe's masterful at evocing discussion. And he's very good with aegis stuff helping people.00:04
MohammadAGanyone ever printed to a POS printer with Qt?00:04
javispedro(changes topic) seems that I was right and all #n950clubbers will be getting an offer they won't be able to refuse regarding some windows phone..00:04
jabis_actually what pisses me more than N9 camera issue that wasn't ther prior OTA update - I hate the fact that I've to write a dozen of libs for N9 to support our ERP-system00:04
MohammadAGjavispedro, yay, does that mean another device for customs?00:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: some of my printers been a real pile of shit ;-P00:05
macmaNjavispedro: what are you referring to00:05
djszapifaenil: I have no idea what that is00:05
javispedromacmaN: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/11/08/nokia-lumia-phones-for-developers-targeting-windows-phone00:05
faenildjszapi: ok no problem :) I thought I told you about that at dev days ;)00:05
djszapifaenil: please stop blaming aegis without any prove, like this camera-ui where aegis has nothing to do with the root cause00:05
* DocScrutinizer chokes at reading javispedro 's wincrap post00:05
djszapithis is one thing I am getting tired of.00:05
javispedroDocScrutinizer: hey, maybe it's the nearest thing to a N9 I'm going to see =)00:06
MohammadAGnice00:06
jabis_root cause is enforced by aegis, thus making it a complice in it x)00:06
MohammadAGI'll have one, black please00:06
djszapijabis_: like being technically incorrect ?00:06
macmaNmmmmkay00:07
javispedroI'll have the non-windows edition please00:07
faenildjszapi: I'm not blaming anything, I just told you there were talking about aegis in chat about that camera-ui issue, and sent you the link...you should thank me for letting you check that nothing is wrong, not the opposite...00:07
MohammadAGmacmaN, thakns00:07
merlin1991I'd like a black n9 64 gb, exchange one for a windows phone?00:07
DocScrutinizermeh, for disassembling it I won't mind whats the OS it runs X-P00:07
MohammadAGI needed someone to remind me of South Park00:07
macmaNMohammadAG: what did i do00:07
faenileverytime I try to be helpful with you, I get refused...but this is a private thing...let's stop it here00:07
djszapifaenil: I should thank for you for coming here for helping you ? :)00:07
merlin1991macmaN: you granted hime a black lumia00:07
djszapithanks..00:07
MohammadAGI'd like a black windows phone device00:07
faenilfor helping me? I have no problem!00:08
macmaNoh i did huh. damn.00:08
* macmaN runs and hides00:08
macmaN__o.o__00:08
djszapifaenil: you, as in you guys00:08
macmaN__m_o.o_m__00:08
jabis_djszapi, yes - I like that the only thing bitching and inhibiting the use of a proprietary ui _seems_ by logs to come out of the ah so precious aegis enforcement protocols _with_ nokia signed libs & drivers </offtopic>00:08
jabis_*fed the troll - omg*00:09
javispedroit's not aegis00:09
javispedroas I said it also appears on mine00:09
javispedroand camera "works"00:09
javispedro(as it usually "works" in the n950)00:09
faenildjszapi: I told you about that to let YOU check that everything was alright...I got nothing from this thing, I did that for you...but still, don't worry.00:09
faeniljavispedro: sure we all got that ;)00:10
djszapifaenil: for me ? :)00:10
DocScrutinizer>> If you are currently a Nokia Developer Champion or a Nokia Launchpad member, you are already eligible ... << mmmmk00:10
ajalkaneI'm not going to accept any windows phone if I'm expected to do any development on it00:11
djszapiI knew it right before this whole discussion :) I could just skip the coming and help :)00:11
ajalkaneIf they give it to me without strings attached, I'm willing to give it a spin. But using my free-time to develop for it? Highly unlikely.00:11
* javispedro smells lots of interest in qualcomm msm 3d drivers for xorg "soon"00:13
DocScrutinizerhehehe00:13
DocScrutinizerajalkane: [2011-11-09 23:07:24] <DocScrutinizer> meh, for disassembling it I won't mind whats the OS it runs X-P00:14
ajalkaneIf eligible means I can ask for it, I'm not going to. They would have to push that stuff to me for me to consider taking one00:14
MohammadAGjavispedro, Wayland FTW00:14
* MohammadAG runs00:14
DocScrutinizer~nuke MohammadAG00:14
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at MohammadAG ... B☢☢M!00:14
javispedrohah00:15
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DocScrutinizerhaha my desktop is missing that UTF-8 page00:15
ajalkaneDocScrutinizer: well yeah, if interested in hardware alone then it's a good deal :). As long as they don't expect to do anything FOR Windows Phone.00:15
javispedrothis reminds me of someone who was saying "Worst part about desktop Linux? X11! It's a mess of toolkits, incompatible drag and drop specifications, ... I can't wait for Wayland" on LWN.00:15
javispedroHe's going to be surprised to find what Wayland is...00:15
DocScrutinizerajalkane: the NDA or other TLA I had to sign so far never had a mandatory developing clause00:16
MohammadAGthe same as X11 with controlled FPS?00:16
SpeedEvilWhat is wayland - basically a compatibility layer which can talk to X/fb/... ?00:16
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, think X11, a replacement for it00:16
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: MUHAHA ROTFL00:17
ajalkaneDocScrutinizer: yeah... But at least the N950 community program was phrased in a way that they expect it to be used to develop stuff for the platform. I wouldn't take a Windows Phone under similar conditions.00:17
DocScrutinizerclearly qualifies for quote of the month00:17
DocScrutinizerajalkane: sure00:17
DocScrutinizernot this one though, it seems00:18
jabisjavispedro: the thing is - it _did not happen_ prior the OTA :) and only real clues point to them orcs (orcexec or whatever the 3 distinct temp-files were) that appear only after the gstreamer fails to patch thru to the signal, so whether the camera works (some of the times) or fails prolly is linked with the packages updated00:18
DocScrutinizerwell, they will have a hard time to find 25,000 developers to shove that thing down their throats anyway00:18
ajalkaneThen it's good to take it and run with it. I'll keep an eye what the final offering is. I wouldn't mind playing with Windows Phone.00:18
javispedrojabis: it has happened here since day 100:18
javispedrojabis: not to mentino it is not an error00:19
MohammadAGmy new $70 headphones only work good on the iPod00:19
MohammadAGfor fuck's sake00:19
MohammadAGand my laptop00:19
MohammadAGor I plug it 3/4 the way in00:20
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javispedroMohammadAG: did you already buy your iSteveJobs poster?00:21
ajalkaneIf I want to spin it positively, if I take one of the devices, it will be one less for those who'd actually develop for it. MUAHAHAHA00:21
jabisjavispedro: I had nothing in reference to those files, and only gives when the proprietary camera-ui is started - tho the signal is still lost with anything trying to patch to either of the cams00:21
MohammadAGjavispedro, I found a Tom Cook one instead00:21
javispedroMohammadAG: this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook00:21
MohammadAGno no no, Tom COOK00:22
MohammadAGbut that one's cuter00:22
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DocScrutinizerajalkane: I can take that device to evalute if it's worth considering an anti vendor port effort00:23
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DocScrutinizerI.E. get SHR ported to Lumia00:24
DocScrutinizermer?? :-o00:24
MohammadAGBTW00:24
MohammadAGI must admit the iOS audio stack is awesome00:24
ajalkaneNemo on Lumia could be pretty nice00:24
MohammadAGnot sure about developing for it, but it's awesome for the user00:24
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javispedroMohammadAG: "for the user"? in what sense?00:25
MohammadAGin the sense that everything is integrated00:26
DocScrutinizerI think he's referring to airplay or what it's called00:26
MohammadAGno00:26
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MohammadAGif you start a youtube video it dims the music player00:27
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javispedroNokia has this too00:27
javispedroI mean, Fremantle and Harmattan.00:27
MohammadAGif you get a notification, rather than what Maemo 5 does (play a beep, or if you're not using libplayback, mutes the song), or what Harmattan does, it lowers the player's music, plays the notification sound, and raises the volume00:28
javispedroIt's just hidden behind some prolog closed source.00:28
MohammadAGalso, the "multitasking" bar has media controls00:28
MohammadAGthose always control the app playing, not just the music app00:28
MohammadAGfor example, if I'm playing a video in Safari, then the icon is Safari and the play/pause/next/prev buttons are for safari00:28
DocScrutinizerprolog BLAERGHHH!!00:29
VenemoMohammadAG, seems that Apple pays more to their UX designers than Nokia00:29
faenilMohammadAG: I add massive fps reduce while notification is shown :D00:29
MohammadAGwhere? iOS? nope00:29
faenilnope, harmattan :) talked yesterday about that with javis :)00:29
MohammadAGFrame drops happen on maemo when a notification comes in, not iOS though00:29
faenilagree00:30
MohammadAGjavispedro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMjMTJWjCp000:31
Venemowell, since da notification is not drawn by the app, of course the fps reduces00:31
MohammadAGthe controls on the bottom are stock, top ones are the modification's00:31
MohammadAGVenemo, not on iOS00:31
javispedroyou mean, yes on iOS00:31
VenemoMohammadAG, I understand.00:31
MohammadAGnope00:31
javispedrothe notification is "drawn" by the app on iOS00:31
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MohammadAGjavispedro, that's what I meant00:31
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MohammadAGjavispedro, if you saw the video, the music player icon is replaced by a pandora icon00:32
javispedroyou can technically implement such an app if you wanted it00:33
javispedrowe rant about pulse a lot, but this is one of the benefits of having a "omniscient" and overfeatured sound daemon00:34
javispedro(I  still personally dislike the idea)00:34
javispedroyou can e.g. monitor for when streams with a video or music or whatever media role are created and then show the play/pause UI00:35
javispedroand cork/uncork the stream as necessary depending on user action00:35
javispedro"good player apps" should pause themselves when their main stream is corked, gstreamer at least probably does it00:35
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javispedroalso the volume thing is not only possible but it is a few line changes on the prolog policy file. you can try this on CE00:37
javispedroif the harmattan one was open...00:37
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user_so what irc ckients we have for n9?00:38
jpnurmianyone used TextField from meego qt quick components in pr 1.1? when selecting text, the text outside the selection just disappears.... :(00:38
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MohammadAGjavispedro, basically, I like how it's implemented00:39
MohammadAGalso push notifications00:39
MohammadAGthey're the awesomest thing on iOS00:39
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: my libALSAexecHook plugin does that too, without any friggin PA00:39
zogg_n9MohammadAG: hey  ;)00:40
javispedroDocScrutinizer: nope00:40
MohammadAGzogg_n9, where'd you get it00:40
DocScrutinizerwell not pause on cork00:40
DocScrutinizerimplicitly00:40
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ALSA is not nearly as "omniscient", as you already know -- by the time you add the _userspace_ plugins necessary to keep track of this, you end up with another monster00:40
DocScrutinizernope00:40
faenilhas anyone tried Mint LDME? based on Debian Testing00:41
MohammadAGbasically00:41
MohammadAGyou need to use iOS to understand what's good about it for the user00:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you are paying a lot of performance penalty on pulseaudio precisely because it's doing stupid stuff like copying buffers, always resampling, changing volume, etc.00:41
javispedroDocScrutinizer: if you are to enable all of this on ALSA, god save us.00:41
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe00:41
javispedroplus, pulse is _already_ doing it, I remember a demo of someone showing background windows getting their streams' volumes lowered00:42
Sazpaimon_i wonder, has anyone tried to make a maemo 5 chroot environment for harmattan?00:42
DocScrutinizerthe main problem of PA though is it's an async design00:42
zogg_n9MohammadAG: bought it00:42
MohammadAGjavispedro, pulse can do it, but on Harmattan it doesn't00:42
MohammadAGzogg_n9, I know, where00:42
Sazpaimon_using that modified harmattan kernel with aegis restrictions lifted00:42
javispedroMohammadAG: policy!00:42
zogg_n93600 for 6400:42
javispedroMohammadAG: as I said, it's a few changes on the policy file00:42
javispedro(but I repeat myself: I dislike both features, I prefer the beep)00:42
MohammadAGzogg_n9, what part of "Where" don't you get :p00:43
DocScrutinizeranyway, boozetime00:43
DocScrutinizero/00:43
javispedrocya DocScrutinizer00:43
zogg_n9MohammadAG: some israel guys have company in usa with someone representing them here, not that official but with warranty thru them00:43
DocScrutinizerhave to meditate about ST-E by looking into a beer00:43
MohammadAGzogg_n9, someone I know wants one, where can he reach them?00:44
javispedroMohammadAG: In general I say that you should actually _avoid_ looking at iOS for inspiration. Look where it has brought us00:44
zogg_n9MohammadAG: i can give u their numbers or find them on kombinator00:44
MohammadAGjavispedro, sorry, but iOS has some good stuff and some bad stuff00:44
* javispedro is one of those who thinks maemo usability peaked with bora...00:44
faeniljavispedro: I still think that iPhone4S is the only device which has fixed 60fps everywhere00:44
zogg_n9MohammadAG: got hour n950 back¿00:45
MohammadAGno00:45
MohammadAGfixed 60fps?00:45
MohammadAGis that a challenge?00:45
faenilyes, show me something like that00:45
javispedromy calculator also has a fixed 50Hz everywhere00:45
javispedroso what00:45
MohammadAGgive me a 4S00:45
zogg_n9hour = your *00:45
faenil:D00:45
faenileehehhe :D00:46
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: teach infobot to answer ~IL-custums-suck with that URL of DHL-tracking00:46
javispedroit just _proves_ it is not hackable enough00:46
MohammadAGand I'll show you how unfixed it is00:46
DocScrutinizercostums*00:46
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MohammadAG~Israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A00:46
infobotokay, MohammadAG00:46
MohammadAG~Israel-sucks00:46
infobotmethinks israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A00:46
faenilMohammadAG: I have tried it for 20 mins...00:46
MohammadAGthanks for the idea DocScrutinizer00:46
DocScrutinizeryw00:46
zogg_n9MohammadAG: i didnt get 3 last orders from ebay as well gonna go and fuck the bitches00:46
faeniltrying to make it lag00:46
faenilI was there for that purpose, see it lose fps00:47
faeniland I couldn't make it00:47
zogg_n9oops sorry for lang00:47
MohammadAGno worries00:47
MohammadAG#harmattan is PG-13 anyways00:47
zogg_n9bnej zonot =)00:47
faenilMohammadAG: where does 4S lag? please convince me, and you'll make me happy :D00:47
MohammadAGfaenil, give me a 4S and I'll make it lag00:47
zogg_n9MohammadAG: tried your music recognizer00:47
faeniltell me how :)00:48
MohammadAGI can make any device lag, it's a gift I guess00:48
faenilhave you tried 4S, first? Because 4 lags...00:48
zogg_n9MohammadAG: bullshit me too00:48
MohammadAGfaenil, I said I can make any device lag00:48
javispedroif it doesn't ever lag, it means you as developer can't get 100% of CPU time. That's the shit.00:48
zogg_n9faenil: half year use it lags00:48
zogg_n9even less00:48
MohammadAGoh right00:48
zogg_n9start installing apps and use it heavy00:48
MohammadAGthe 4S has no jailbreak00:48
MohammadAGnope, you're right, I can't make it lag00:49
MohammadAGI can make it suffer00:49
MohammadAGit probably can't handle three things at the same time00:49
zogg_n9no jailbreak?00:49
MohammadAGstart angrybirds, make a call to the device, rape it with messages00:49
javispedro"HP delays WebOS decision" -- I knew it.00:49
MohammadAGall 3 should make it lag00:49
zogg_n9MohammadAG: it has no multitask anyway00:49
faenilMohammadAG: I'm talking about making it lag with official apps, and most common ones00:49
MohammadAGiOS multitasks00:49
faeniland menus, submenus, browsers, and stuff00:49
MohammadAGbut not in the sense where it's actually proper00:50
MohammadAGfaenil, the N9 doesn't lag either there00:50
zogg_n9MohammadAG: real one or like in 4?00:50
faeniloh it does indeed00:50
javispedroMohammadAG: running angrybirds should have zero impact on performance, because it is killed when inactive00:50
faeniljust receive an sms while scrolling00:50
faeniland you see00:50
faeniltac tac tac tac00:50
MohammadAGfaenil, ok, challenge accepted00:50
faenil10fps00:50
MohammadAGfind a way to open a desktop site00:50
MohammadAGopen panet.co.il00:50
faenilopen notification bar while scrolling, tac tac tac, 10fps00:50
zogg_n9faenil: if it so bad give it to MohammadAG00:50
jabistry to swipe while syncing exchange x) tac tac tac @ 5fps00:51
javispedroMohammadAG: my eyes!!00:51
faenilopen contacts app, 10fps for the first 5-10 seconds00:51
MohammadAGN9 has no notification bar00:51
faenilif not less00:51
zogg_n9what is this site?00:51
MohammadAGjavispedro, your CPU agrees00:51
faenilI mean the top one00:51
jabistho a lot of improvement on that with 1.1 have to say00:51
MohammadAGnews site with one heck of a shtity coder00:51
MohammadAGI use it as a stress test for my CPU00:51
zogg_n9lol00:51
faenilnoticed :)00:52
zogg_n9MohammadAG: btw i need help with dbus and c if u played with it00:52
MohammadAGC?00:52
zogg_n9yes00:52
MohammadAGYou need help with Glib then00:52
MohammadAG1) #maemo, 2) javispedro, not me00:52
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faenilMohammadAG: if you know any device which has no reduced fps anywhere (under normal use, official apps, and stuff) please let me know ;)00:53
zogg_n9i made some deamon that need to send data to rds thru n90000:53
javispedrofaenil: a dumbphone00:53
faeniljavispedro: come on :P00:53
MohammadAGso why DBus00:53
MohammadAGand why C00:53
faeniljavispedro: the fact that it is less hackable says nothing about its features...it's just a different pov00:53
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MohammadAGspeaking of high framerates00:54
MohammadAGe-ink displays are the shit00:54
faenil:) I've won Kindle at Qt Dev Days XD00:54
faenilit's slow, but you don't have kinetic scrolling there...so you don't really notice how slow it is00:54
faenilit's not bad00:55
MohammadAGyeah, look how smooth the display is00:55
faenilI honestly don't care about its speed00:55
faenilyou only change page with it00:55
MohammadAGI know00:55
faenildo you care if it takes 1 seconds to turn pagE?00:55
MohammadAGthere's scrolling though00:55
faenilI don't :)00:55
MohammadAGI saw someone next to me at uni who keeps using it in class00:55
faenilyou're talking about the touch version maybe :)00:56
faenilI won the qwerty one, no touch00:56
MohammadAGyes, not the fire though00:56
javispedroe-ink rules you idiots00:58
faenilahahha :D00:59
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javispedrodoes nokia plan to actually sell a single of those lumia things? if they're shipping one to all diehard Nokia fans that would buy a Nokia branded phone even if it came with CP/M preinstall, and the die-hard WP fans already got the Nokia "exclusive" stuff on their Samsungs...01:03
javispedroplus all of those giveaways01:04
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TSCHAKeeejavispedro: it really does confuse me01:06
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TSCHAKeeejavispedro: exactly what nokia is hoping it will gain by a microsoft alliance01:07
TSCHAKeeejavispedro: so far, it really looks like all the advantages go to microsoft.01:07
TSCHAKeeein what is quite possibly the most one sided deal ever.01:07
SpeedEvilDiehard nokia fans - aren't they only shipping to devs?01:07
javispedroSpeedEvil: "devs" as in anyone smart enough to fill the lp forms..01:08
SpeedEvilYou're not saying that people might fill in the forms fraudulently?01:08
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SpeedEvilThat would be bad.01:08
javispedroBut I guess it looks quite nice to say that they have "35,000" developers01:09
TronicI needed to ask for assistance for filling those forms, yet they still sent me a N950.01:09
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE01:10
* javispedro notes the irony as I just got one of the touchpads for devs despite my webos contributions being on the "small side"01:10
DocScrutinizer25.00001:10
DocScrutinizerDEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS01:10
faeniljavispedro: where did you get the touchpad?01:11
TSCHAKeeei thought he was honestly going to start throwing barrels at that point01:11
TSCHAKeeeballmer kong01:11
javispedrofaenil: hp offer for existing webos devs01:11
javispedro(at the liquidation price, though)01:11
* SpeedEvil diddn't want a touchpad.01:11
SpeedEvilThat's why I spent ages clicking round webstores.01:12
TSCHAKeeemy heart sank when HP tanked WebOS01:12
ScifigI installed telepathy-mission-control-5-dbg in scratchbox HARMATTAN_X86 target. But I am unable to run the binary.01:12
Scifig/usr/bin/meego-run: line 28: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5: cannot execute binary file01:12
SpeedEvilWas the recent announce that they might bring it back?01:12
faeniljavispedro: wow, nice ...have to chance to get a second one? :D01:12
javispedrofaenil: they're out of stock already01:13
faenilargh01:13
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faenilgoing to install Mint LMDE now :)01:19
faenilcya later guys :)01:19
javispedrocya faenil01:19
faenilfinally switching harmattan dev on linux :)01:19
javispedro... developers developers developers!01:20
faenilXD I'm waiting for that email :D01:20
javispedro(ballmer is calling you back)01:20
faenilanyway, be back later :D01:20
faeniloh I like WP7, so that won't be a big problem for the big guy :D01:20
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* javispedro is too distracted, singing developers developers developers01:21
faenilbbl01:22
faenilXD01:22
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toninikkanenmy armpits are all sweaty from all that developers developers ranting02:02
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Sazpaimon_i guess ill ask again02:13
Sazpaimon_i wonder, has anyone tried to make a maemo 5 chroot environment for harmattan?02:13
Sazpaimon_using that modified harmattan kernel with aegis restrictions lifted02:13
Sazpaimon_also i cant seem to access my data network anymore02:14
Sazpaimon_could it be related to the sdk connectivity update02:14
SpeedEvilIt's a different ABI02:14
SpeedEvilFloating point stuff will crash02:14
Sazpaimon_special, a chroot should work around that02:14
Sazpaimon_because its loading a different libc02:15
Sazpaimon_the maemo 5 libc02:15
Sazpaimon_i guess ill give it a try02:16
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rafael2kpeople, how to click an arrow key on N9 terminal02:26
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DocScrutinizerhow's kernel related to chroot?02:36
DocScrutinizeraaah allowing to chroot you need open mode, yes02:36
Sazpaimon_isnt that kernel posted in the forum basically what allows that02:37
Sazpaimon_in the "Nokia and Aegis" thread02:37
Sazpaimon_also does that "write once" thing when you flash remove aegis have any truth to it?02:38
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Sazpaimon_like, if i flasg my kernel now, will I not be able to get PR1.1, or go back to stock kernel02:56
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faenilback :D03:06
faenilinstalled Mint LMDE and QtSdk 1.1.4 :D03:06
Sazpaimon_seriously though Id like to know before i flash this kernel if it will leave me with no way back to vanilla harmatan03:07
Sazpaimon_or even upgrade to pr1.103:07
rafael2kpeople, have anyone put in a repo the fremantle gtk compiled for harmattan?03:19
Sazpaimon_theres a gtk package03:20
Sazpaimon_http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/03:20
rafael2kthanks03:23
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: aiui you can flash to clean HARM as long as you have a image file that's not older than most recent version of OS that ever got installed on device03:24
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, so the write-once claim is completely baseless03:26
DocScrutinizerfor mere flashing of kernel that might not apply though, as the version of "the image" (which seems to be actually a number of distinct files) is not directly locked to kernel version which seems hasn't changed from latest "image" to most recent OTA update 40-403:26
DocScrutinizerdunno what you mean by "write once claim"03:26
Sazpaimon_nokia has stated that flashing to open mode or meego proper is a one way street03:27
Sazpaimon_meaning you can't go back03:27
DocScrutinizeralso please note that I had disclaimer "as I understand it" in post above - you better ask somebody else to get an binding answer03:28
DocScrutinizerhmm, where did Nokia say this?03:28
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DocScrutinizeralso note that for all we know a flag "waranty void" gets permanently set when you flash a custom kernel03:29
Sazpaimon_my warranty is void anyway03:30
Sazpaimon_or rather, i have no warranty *to* void03:30
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rafael2kgreat!03:34
DocScrutinizerand the "one way claim" maybe was meant about there's no way back to secure mode from a rootfs messed with in open mode, which makes kinda sense in that you probably need to flash the rootfs as well, and in that moment you're definitely screwed when you updated to PR1.1 OTA and your image is PR1.0 -> "downgrade not allowed"03:35
rafael2kthanks people03:36
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: lemme put it this way: prior to trying to flash an open mode kernel, you should probably try to reflash device to HARM proper. If that works prior to installing a cutome kernel, then it will most likely work to revert from that custom kernel as well later on03:37
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Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, I dont know if there's a full image for my device03:39
Sazpaimon_or rather, my device version03:39
Sazpaimon_I'm using the austrailian version, which I think is 29903:39
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly the problem though03:39
rafael2kwhat is the apt line for the martink gtk people?03:41
rafael2kwhere03:41
Sazpaimon_rafael2k, just make a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d03:44
Sazpaimon_it should be "deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./"03:44
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, let me check with navifirm before i do anything03:46
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Sazpaimon_also why cant the device just be flashed with global firmware03:54
DocScrutinizerI dunno if it can or can't03:54
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DocScrutinizerif it can't then because your certificates/tokens stored there somewhere in TPM or CAL or cmt don't match the firmware03:55
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Sazpaimon_there appear to be two different firmware sets for my product code04:01
Sazpaimon_one is 10.2011.34-1.299.1 and the other is 10.2011.34-1.299.404:02
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Sazpaimon_okay 10.2011.34-1.299.4 is PR1.104:11
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DocScrutinizersure about that?04:34
faenilI installed qtskd on a debian based distro, but it's nowhere in the applications categories... :O04:35
Sazpaimon_DocScrutinizer, yeah04:36
Sazpaimon_according to www.nokia.com.au/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n904:36
Sazpaimon_or rather http://www.nokia.com.au/support/product-support/device-software-update?n9=04:37
Sazpaimon_Latest software release for Nokia N9 is 20.2011.40-404:37
DocScrutinizerhttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt04:39
Sazpaimon_well either way, this is the version that I want04:40
Sazpaimon_and  39.5 isnt even showing in navifirm04:41
DocScrutinizerChanges from Nokia N950 Beta 2 (34-2) to Nokia N950 PR1.1 (39-5)04:41
DocScrutinizer...04:41
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Sazpaimon_like i said, 39-5 isnt even showing in navifirm04:42
DocScrutinizeryes, but the current OTA SSU N9 verson is 40-4 (iirc) and *that* is attributed to be _very_ close to N950 39-5 and thus PR1.1, while 34* seems to me is PR1.0 on N9 and called beta1 on N95004:44
DocScrutinizerhttp://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.104:44
DocScrutinizerand that'S btw exactly the problem with current OTA SSU, there is no compatible fiasco image to unbrick, as you'll see "downgrade not allowed" when you try to flash with that image of yours on a N9 that has been updated to 40-404:46
Sazpaimon_i dont get this, I havent seen an issue like this with symbian handsets04:47
DocScrutinizeralso see /topic, we had exactly same problem with 39-5 for quite some time, thus >> |NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ |<<04:48
Sazpaimon_i also cant even apt-get update on my N904:48
Sazpaimon_W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/299/./Packages.gz  The requested URL returned error: 40404:48
SpeedEvilapt-get update has bricked n900s in the past.04:48
merlin1991SpeedEvil: apt-get upgrade04:48
SpeedEvilerr04:48
SpeedEvildoh04:48
merlin1991but update never did04:48
SpeedEvilSorry - I'm tired.04:49
SpeedEvilyes04:49
merlin1991that would be really bad :P04:49
Sazpaimon_yeah and if i run apt-get dist-upgrade it tries to update libarchive1 libcairo2 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 libpixman-1-0 libsdl1.2 libtiff4 libxml2 ope-service0 x11vnc and remove mp-harmattan-299-pr04:49
Sazpaimon_and since it cant even access the downloads.maemo.nokia.com repository, i cant do anything04:50
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* DocScrutinizer 'hmmm's on /topic04:51
Sazpaimon_also i cant use nokia link to backup my device05:05
Sazpaimon_it keeps giving me an EDP_FAILED message05:05
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DocScrutinizerAHA :-S >>Nokia is not providing firmware image files to users, developers or resellers without repair capabilities.<< http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files.05:16
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DocScrutinizerit's actually incredible and unrivalled how Nokia repels and alienates developers:  http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files.&s=aac64a90e196d63e41d87578369b7360&p=866740&viewfull=1#post86674005:25
DocScrutinizerhow the F*CK am I supposed to have "repair capabilities" to flash N9 from chinese version to western version and back?05:26
SpeedEvilI guess they mean nokia care centre.05:31
Sazpaimon_okay, this image seemed to work fine, i flashed ant it started uo05:32
Sazpaimon_*up05:33
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DocScrutinizerso you hadn't updated to 40-4 yet06:03
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DocScrutinizer>>MeeGo Harmattan platform-specific APIs focus for Wiki contributor of the month<< Nokia newletter :-D06:48
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Sazpaimon_what package gets me harmattan's kernel config file07:29
Sazpaimon_it's not kernel-d is it?07:29
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djszapiSazpaimon_: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/k/kernel/ -> You can try to install them all07:41
djszapiand see .. There are no more kernel package imo ..07:41
djszapipackages*07:41
djszapiYou do not probably even need to install, just unpack, I guess ..07:44
Sazpaimon_yeah none of them have the kernel config07:51
Sazpaimon_also i flashed a custom kernel to my N9 and didn't get any warranty void message07:53
* Sazpaimon_ shrugs07:53
djszapiif none of them have the kernel config. It is probably not provided.07:54
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djszapiwell, if the warranty void is on the papers coming along with the phone, I would actually just be really happy.07:55
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djszapiis not on the..*08:00
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Sazpaimon_djszapi, it doesnt matter for me anyway, because i imported my phone08:04
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djszapihuh ?08:07
Sazpaimon_i dont have a warranty because i imported my N9 from europe08:08
Sazpaimon_or rather, australia08:08
jonniisnt the warranty global anyways?08:08
Sazpaimon_nope08:08
djszapiSazpaimon_: I know, but it does not mean the phone does not have warranty08:09
Sazpaimon_nokia's warranty is only valid per country, and across the entirety of europe08:09
Sazpaimon_djszapi, it means i can't send it to nokia usa for repair, and i cant send it to nokia australia either08:09
djszapiyou can just well invoke the guarantee where you ordered from imo08:09
djszapiI am not sure what you mean. If I were you, I would just order a from abroad, a.k.a. guarantee works just fine08:10
Sazpaimon_seller warranties are less reliable than manufacturer's warranties08:10
djszapior tell a friend to send it to me.08:10
Sazpaimon_basically, nokia will not accept a device sourced from another country, nor will nokia send a device to another country for warranty08:10
djszapithey will never really know08:10
Sazpaimon_yeah, you would basically need to have a friend in australia who you can trust accept the device, send it to nokia, get it back from them, and send it to you08:11
djszapiI had a business trip in Finland, bought a phone, back to my home country, when it is broken, hand it over them, donew08:11
djszapidone*08:11
Sazpaimon_what country are you in08:11
djszapiwell if you have no friends to trust, that is problematic anyways :)08:11
Sazpaimon_warranties for devices purchased in europe are applicable through the entire EU08:12
Sazpaimon_regardless of the country08:12
djszapialso, I am pretty sure there are people interested in contract for 50 EUR08:12
djszapimaking this thingie08:12
djszapiSazpaimon_: does not matter where I really come from. It was an example for a typical case how some people got one during a business trip08:12
djszapitbh, sounds reaaaaally scary without guarantee08:13
djszapibut there are rich people afterwards ;-)08:15
djszapialso, in this special case: it is perfectly the fine operation to now show the warranty void08:17
djszapinot*08:17
qronicwho knows where at booting Harmattan checks which app icons should be displayed on the app screen?08:17
djszapiqronic: what would you like to achieve ?08:18
qronicI've edited /usr/share/applications/facebookqml.desktop to not be displayed, but after reboot it shows up again08:18
qronicI've removed X-MeeGo in line OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo;08:18
djszapiqronic: well, delete it manually and check out the desktop file ..08:19
djszapithat is the first I would do.08:19
qronicem, delete what?08:19
djszapinot the boot analyzes08:19
djszapiwell, it is a basic usage, you can delete icons manually out of the ui ..08:19
qronicfacebook is a preinstalled app08:20
djszapino need for serious boot analyzes for such a simple operation supported by the ui workflow ...08:20
qronicit can't be deleted08:20
djszapiyes, of course it can08:20
djszapiahhh sorry I might be wrong08:20
qronichow then? no cross on the app when I enter delete mode :)08:20
djszapiwell, that is the answer for your question08:21
djszapinext customer :)08:21
qronicyeah, it hides fine when I edit that file, but after reboot shows up again08:21
qronicfunny, shoud I touch the .dekstop file after reboot - it hides again08:21
Sazpaimon_so i extracted the maemo rootstrap to my N908:21
qronicI guess there's a inotify set on that directory with .desktop files08:22
Sazpaimon_and made a simple c program that did printf on a floating point number, and it worked fine08:22
ieatlintcongrats to all of you in the n950 club who will be getting windows phones from nokia08:22
ieatlinti'm sure you're all excited08:22
djszapiieatlint: we will get ?08:22
Sazpaimon_so i think the soft/hardfp thing is not an issue on a chroot as DocScrutinizer told me08:23
ieatlint"If you received a Nokia E7 back in February when we announced our new smartphone strategy, you’ll automatically receive a Windows Phone device. If you are currently a Nokia Developer Champion or a Nokia Launchpad member, you are already eligible, and you will soon receive an e-mail to explain how to get your new Nokia Windows Phone."08:23
djszapithat is E7, not N95008:23
Sazpaimon_same thing different OS08:23
ieatlinteveryone who got the n950 had to become a launchpad member08:23
dm8tbrit's the 'lunchbag' membership08:23
djszapiieatlint: I would love to get a WP08:24
ieatlintdon't you work for nokia?08:24
Sazpaimon_however, i can't seem to run apt-get update08:24
djszapiieatlint: how is it related question ?08:24
Sazpaimon_it stays stuck at 16% [Working]08:24
ieatlinti guess i just assume it's not too difficult for nokia employees to get access to the lumia phones08:25
ieatlintall the nokians i know are hardcore qt guys who just get very sad and depressed at the topic though08:25
djszapiit might be impossible actually for externals. We did not even get discount for N9s ...08:25
ieatlintahhh, you're an external, that explains a lot08:26
djszapinah ... many low-level hackers and hw developers obviously ...08:26
ieatlinti was also one :P08:26
ieatlintand yeah, it took a lot of begging in order to get an n9 for me to keep08:26
djszapiI got one for free in Munich, I was so happy08:26
djszapibut could you please help me with this WP application ? I would love it...08:26
ieatlintyep, quim pulled one from the stack in munich to give me08:26
djszapiso how can I check out this relevant launchpad member ship ?08:26
djszapiand whether the above statement concerns on me ?08:27
ieatlintdo you have a launchpad membership?08:27
djszapithat is not really related to Nokia08:27
qronichttps://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml here probably08:27
djszapiieatlint: I had this ubuntu launchpad thingy :)08:27
ieatlintyeah, not the same :P08:27
djszapinot sure how to verify ...08:27
djszapiI would love to port Gluon to WP.08:28
ieatlinti got what i quoted in an email from nokia08:28
djszapiso it is either spam here or I did not get one :(08:28
ieatlintdjszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/08:28
ieatlinttry to login as an individual with your nokia developer account credentials08:28
djszapiieatlint: can you please send the title of the mail they sent out about the launchpad membership registration ?08:29
djszapioh it is the same account ?08:29
ieatlint"Nokia Developer Newsletter: Lumia phones for Windows Phone developers"08:29
ieatlintyes, same account, but having a nokia developer account does not mean you are a launchpad member08:29
ieatlintbut if you try to login, it will tell you that you don't have permissions08:29
djszapiwho could get this launch membership thingie ?08:30
ieatlintif you can login, try selecting "support center", then "device distribution" (which is empty for me, but that's where it will be)08:30
ieatlintuse hte link qronic posted to apply08:30
Sazpaimon_whoops, forgot to bindmount /dev/08:30
ieatlintand don't wait for approval, ask a nokia manager to help you -- it's the only way you'll ever get approved08:30
djszapi08:28 < ieatlint> djszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/ -> after loading that page, I was already logged in08:31
ieatlintdjszapi: there should be a08:31
ieatlint"Go to Nokia Developer Launchpad homepage (for member individuals only) ›" link08:31
ieatlintthose who can login to launchpad, enjoy this bit of engrish "WINTER SALE NOW ONGOING. *Promo ends until supplies last. Please note we will not be adding new devices for Discounted Device Program service."08:32
djszapiieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144584/08:32
ieatlintdjszapi: yeah, so you need to apply to launchpad08:32
djszapiI /think/ I did it a few months ago actually08:33
ieatlintthe link qronic posted has an application link08:33
ieatlintok, then email a nokian and ask for help08:33
ieatlintthey only approve applications when a nokian steps in08:33
djszapiwill just go to the line manager in 20 m :p08:33
djszapi"There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. "08:34
ieatlintyep, that's how i did it :)08:34
djszapiit was way many months ago ...08:34
djszapishould also ask quim gil :)08:35
ieatlintyeah, he might help you, but don't mention wp7 :P08:35
ieatlinthe got me my n9 :)08:35
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djszapiieatlint: quim gave me an N9 in Munich.08:35
djszapiwell, it is all about porting my app to Windows.08:35
djszapiI would not like to use it daily. I prefer Android.08:35
ieatlintyeah, i'm just saying wp7 isn't going to be a selling point for quim08:36
djszapiwhy ?08:36
djszapiit is not about wp7, but making the community happy. He is a community manager after all ;-)08:36
ieatlinthe was a huge gnome/gtk guy, then moved to qt, and then was rather crushed by nokia08:36
djszapiand he also supports html5 a lot08:37
ieatlinthe was hired as a meego evangelist, and ran a lot of qt and meego meetups where i live08:37
djszapiafaict08:37
ieatlinthe's moving to the qt team at nokia still, in about a week08:37
djszapiwithout relocation, right ?08:37
ieatlintwell, he goes from the 3rd floor to the 2nd floor08:37
Stskeepsieatlint: at least he has the opportunity compared to many others who are laid off08:37
djszapiieatlint: meh :D08:38
ieatlintStskeeps: not sure what you mean by that08:38
ieatlintyeah, a lot of people got screwed08:38
Stskeepsieatlint: well, as in, many others who didn't manage to find new positions internally08:38
ieatlintmyself included...08:38
djszapiRonan is probably also helpful in this case.08:38
djszapito redirect to the proper supporter inside Nokia, if any.08:38
djszapiin worst case scenario08:38
ieatlintyeah, but that doesn't mean he's not a victim here08:38
ieatlinthe got punched in the stomach instead of the balls... yeah, it's less bad, but it still sucks08:39
djszapiieatlint: well, qt binding is coming for WP708:39
ieatlintdjszapi: that's news to me08:39
djszapiso I would not understand to have against that as a Qt enthusiast08:39
ieatlintnot heard even a whisper of that08:39
djszapiieatlint: was mentioned at Munich08:39
ieatlinthuh08:40
ieatlinti'll believe it when i see it08:40
djszapinot exactly sure which slot, but I am sure it was from a Nokia guy08:40
djszapiI saw it08:40
djszapitry to grab the slides.08:40
djszapiit was in the room A08:40
djszapinot sure which day, slot.08:40
ieatlinti didn't get to go to munich sadly08:40
ieatlinti'll be at the sf dev days though08:40
djszapiieatlint: thanks for sharing this information! (WP)08:42
ieatlintyeah, good luck on that then08:43
ieatlintdefinitely ask a nokia manager for help with launchpad though08:43
djszapiindeed but I am now out-of-the-office at a conference, actually in the bed of the hotel :p08:43
djszapiwill make my best tomorrow.08:43
ieatlintheh, yay hotels... am at one myself on-site at a customer :(08:44
djszapiieatlint: so it is the phone which was disclosed recently, and sort of available ?08:44
* ieatlint shrugs08:44
djszapiand many people had good feedbacks ?08:44
ieatlintit doesn't say08:44
ieatlintalthough after that part i quoted, there is a picture of the lumia 800, but i dunno08:45
ieatlintcould be the 71008:45
djszapiwell, windows is a defacto gaming platform. We should make a research to port Gluon to that.08:45
djszapito see it is possible at all.08:45
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djszapiieatlint: you are not Nokian, are you08:47
ieatlintnope08:47
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djszapiieatlint: what is my line manager supposed to do ?08:50
djszapihow can he support me; what is the workflow ?08:50
ieatlintlet me see if i can dig up the email of one of the launchpad guys08:50
ieatlintthe nokians that helped me just called it the "forum nokia launchpad" team, and they emailed them to "expedite my application"08:53
ieatlintthe only email address i ever see is forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com though08:53
djszapiso your manager buddy just called them on the phone, that is, right ?08:53
ieatlintperhaps have them email that and ask them to expedite your application, and include you nokia dev username and your real name08:54
ieatlintnope, email only08:54
djszapiright..08:54
djszapimeh...08:54
djszapiI think It is not a good idea to send a mail to my line manager08:54
ieatlintFN launchpad is out in finland i think, and i just deal with guys out here in california 90% of the time08:54
djszapiit is more than 10-20 lines with the exact details and steps08:54
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djszapiand managers have tons of mails daily ...08:54
djszapiit will work out only f2f08:54
ieatlinti bet anyone with a nokia.com email address will work08:55
ieatlintif you have an ext-@, it might be good enough yourself08:55
djszapiwhere can I try ?08:55
djszapiI do not think ext is enough ...08:55
djszapiext is resource hiring in Nokia08:55
djszapia.k.a. second citizen08:55
ieatlintwell, after they gave out E7s to launchpad members, their applications skyrocketed, and you just needed to get noticed for them to accept it08:56
djszapinot really an individual person with decisions like that. You know it well I guess though :)08:56
ieatlinttypically that meant a nokian poking them (they actually sent out an email to applicants in march telling them to poke nokians)08:56
djszapiwhat do I need to try ?08:56
djszapior does my manager need to do ?08:56
djszapijust write a mail to the relevant team, or is there just some checkbox somewhere ?08:56
ieatlintdon't have a clear answer for you, i'd try sending an email from your ext-@ address to forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com and politely ask08:57
ieatlintmight be enough08:57
ieatlintotherwise find anyone with a nokia email address who will help, can't hurt08:58
ieatlintnot asking for anything restricted here08:58
ieatlintquim got people getting n950s approved.. if you know him well enough, he definitely knows who to ask08:58
djszapiI have just written a mail. Let us see their answer08:59
djszapiI asked them to answer a clear workflow, if it is not enough I approve my applicaiton08:59
djszapiapplication*09:00
ieatlintwell, good luck then09:00
djszapithanks for all of this.09:00
ieatlintnp09:01
ieatlintso not a nokian... you work for a certain company starting with the letter D then? :P09:01
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djszapiieatlint: I work for Symbio09:13
djszapisee the presentation of my talks where I introduce myself.09:13
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qaisany on have any information regarding vpn for Nokia N909:55
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qaisCould u please help me find an application for video calling for Nokia N909:57
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djszapiqais: skype09:57
djszapioh sorry, there is no webcam here ;-)09:58
qaisSkype Does not support Video Calling09:58
djszapiit does ?09:58
djszapihad many interviews with cam.09:58
djszapion desktop09:58
djszapinot sure the N9 camera can be reused for that09:58
qaisgreat dude09:59
djszapineed some investigation :)09:59
qaisoh09:59
djszapibut it could be a valid use case09:59
qaisBut N9 have a front camera but there is no video calling support10:00
djszapithat is bad10:00
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qaiswhere can i find a developer, who can give some idea about video calling and VPN10:00
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djszapifor instance skype devs10:02
hiemanshuthere is no Skype? I thought there was skype10:02
djszapiI mean huh ?10:03
djszapinobody said there was no skype available :)10:03
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qaisSKYPE IS THE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT10:03
qaisSKYPE IS THERE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT10:04
djszapiqais: then again, please ask them for instance, why not ...10:05
jeremy_lainehi, does anyone know what region 009 is on n9? the n9 I got at Qt Dev Days seems to use this region10:05
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qaisi HAVE CHECKED WITH SKYPE, THY SAY 3ED PARTY APPS WILL SUPPORT VIDEO CALLING10:06
hiemanshuwhats the use of a front camera when you cant use it for skype10:07
z720any idea where to PR1.1 for N9 directly?10:07
qronicnowhere yet10:07
Wirtaqais, there seems to be a problem with your caps lock10:07
djszapihiemanshu: same question here10:08
djszapiz720: nowhere yet iirc10:08
djszapiz720: i.e. it is illegally public by some 3rd party software :)10:09
z720djszapi: tq .. then have hack with N950 release for fun :010:09
djszapihave(fun); :)10:10
z720btw any idea how to connect to co network via LEAP using n9?10:12
qaisN9 have lot of hidden option10:13
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DocScrutinizerqais: WHAT'S UP DUDE? WHY THIS SHOUTING?10:14
z720qais: ex?10:15
qaisJust want to get VPN Activated10:15
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djszapigoogle video call might be available ...10:16
djszapinot this time yet though10:17
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qaisdude i dont want to carry my laptop10:17
djszapiyes, of course10:17
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z720#n910:28
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deramis there a way to limit vibration alert on text messages.. it is ridiculous that it buzzes in my hand still when I can already read the message10:37
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dang_anyone else having the problem that ssh public keys dont work after the latest meego update in developer mode?10:52
merlin1991dang_: root login is not permitted anymore10:53
merlin1991/etc/ssh/sshd_config changed10:53
dang_oh so the updates just overwrite config files. i didnt expect that10:54
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ArkenoiIs it even remotely possible that the way sowatch handles notification may lead to incorrect handling and tracker database courruption?10:56
Arkenoithen it's all obivious10:56
Arkenoicorrupted database -> failed tracker process -> failed google sync -> battery drain, corrupted address book and clusterf.ck10:56
dang_merlin1991: any idea how i can change the configuration again? get permission denied editing it from develsh10:56
deramdevel-su -10:58
dang_what is the difference?10:58
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deramdevel-su gets you to root user and develsh gets you more bits from aegis, if I recall correctly10:59
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dang_deram: thank you!10:59
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dang_hmm looks like i was too fast. was happy editing sshd_conf but it has no effect and init/ssh.conf is not writable. any way to reenable ssh root access?11:13
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deramwhy you even need that?11:18
KRFi can't fetch from some repository (W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/009/./Release.gpg  Resolving host timed out: downloads.maemo.nokia.com). is that normal?11:18
deramjust ssh to user and use devel-sh to gain root11:18
KRFothers from the same host work fine11:18
dang_deram: i tried to copy my .ssh/authorized_keys to /home/user and change the ownerhsip of the file to user, but get a permission denied11:19
merlin1991dang after editing sshd_conf you have to either sighup sshd or restart the device11:19
deramyou need to copy it first to /tmp, give user read permission and then copy it to .ssh as user11:20
deramor just copypaste the contents of that file11:20
dang_the latter is hard over the phone :D11:20
merlin1991dang_: isn't authorized_keys worldreadable?11:20
deram.ssh is never world readable11:21
merlin1991hm for some wicked reason it is on my n911:21
dang_no, i know that11:21
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deramif configured properly, ssh and sshd stop using .ssh if it is world readable11:22
dang_permission of authorized keys is 600 here, .ssh 70011:22
merlin1991deram afaik it only complains if private key is readable, or authorized_keys is writeable11:23
derammerlin1991: depends on ssh build options..11:23
merlin1991well authorized_keys on my n9 is rwrr11:24
derambut some distros are not so strict as they should be11:24
dang_meh and all this in the morning when i want to scp music to the device before going to work11:25
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merlin1991living up to your nick ;)11:26
dang_i know i could also do that via usb. but this really annoys me right now11:27
deramyou could not have copied those files to your home as root anyway...11:28
dang_that worked for me11:28
dang_are you using the "user" account to ssh in?11:28
deramyes11:28
dang_hmm ok strange11:29
jonniyou can just create autorized_keys as user and rock and roll, you just cant change the ownership11:29
merlin1991deram: you can11:29
merlin1991push them into MyDocs, that works just fine11:29
merlin1991 /home/user doesn't though11:30
deramahh.. MyDocs is not protected from root.. ok11:30
deramhaven't checked11:30
dang_if i just create authorized_keys as "user", ssh login via pubkeys dont work for mw11:31
dang_hmm and now the device isnt reachable anymore via tcp/ip, wtf11:32
jonnilets see I'll test to make authorized_keys as user11:32
dang_thanks!11:32
dang_hmm restarting wireless and network connections to the device work again. weird11:33
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djszapiieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144614/11:33
dang_does the sshd log to some place here?11:36
qronic<dang_> you should make passwd -u user as root first AFAIK11:36
dang_meh i cant even strace it as root11:36
dang_qronic: oh11:36
dang_this did the trick!11:36
dang_didnt think of unlocking. thanks a lot!11:37
qronicnp, "ve read it somewhere11:37
dang_ok thank you guys, now i can leave for work!11:40
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Sazpaimon_so im able to get some hildon applications starting in this maemo 5 chroot11:45
Sazpaimon_let me test some more things11:45
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Piruhello12:05
PiruI hacked PR1.1 ssh root login back. details here: http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt12:05
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jonniPiru: this is the easiest way    devel-su -c "echo root2:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh >> /etc/passwd"12:11
jonnithat way you just do ssh root2@192.168.2.15   and everything just works12:12
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meceZogG_N9, seems it worked :)12:15
ZogG_N9mece \0/12:15
meceI REALLY want stellarium mobile on harmattan12:15
ZogG_N9than port iy12:16
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ZogG_N9btw how i set emails and teeet mentions to popup as notifications?12:16
deramZogG_N9: nice to see I'm not the only one writing bad on n9 vkbd12:16
deram;)12:16
ZogG_N9deram =)12:17
deramswype in terminal is the worst12:17
mecehere's source for the custom UI http://stellarium-mobile.org/?page_id=312:17
ZogG_N9its coz im in portrait mode and im russian and dislexic, what is your exuses?12:17
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ZogG_N9mece than port it12:20
deramI'm just plain bad with touchscreens...12:21
ZogG_N9irc chatter is really nice to use on phone12:21
deramZogG_N9: you probably mean "then port it" :)12:22
ZogG_N9though landscape shoud change the place of side bar12:22
ZogG_N9like to put it on top or something12:22
deramthat toolbar is just too big compared to vkbd buttons12:22
Pirujonni: well mine is 1 echo as well, except that you can keep using user root ;)12:22
ZogG_N9deram, i mean what i mean, and you understand what you understand12:23
deramneed to make own terminal...12:23
deramZogG_N9: yes12:23
Pirujonni: so no need to adjust your existing scripts etc12:23
ZogG_N9deram, was talking about chatter not irssi ir terminal12:23
deramok12:23
decibytederam: own terminal?12:24
ZogG_N9btw do we have something like gainroot or something for meego ?12:24
Pirudevel-su ?12:24
ZogG_N9deram port urxvt12:24
ZogG_N9=)12:24
deramdecibyte: I'm thinking patching the meego-terminal application12:25
ZogG_N9Piru, not the same12:25
decibytederam: to achieve...?12:25
Hq`there's already http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan12:25
* decibyte was about to point to the same link as Hq` 12:26
PiruZogG_N9: not the same, but closest I'd say12:26
PiruZogG_N9: you asked for "something like or something"12:27
deramHq`: that is nice one, but somehow not as good feel to vkbd as the original12:27
deramdon't know exaclty what, but it does not feel right for me12:28
deramI was thinking about making that toolbar of meego-terminal smaller and making the terminal not send resize events when keyboard comes visible, just shift the window so the active line is visible12:29
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Hq`yeah, I wasn't able to make haptic feedback work at least12:35
ZogG_N9Piru, i use it already but i need to enter pass, i think thats the reason we dont have root access in filebox12:35
ZogG_N9Hq`, i  got terminal would try it12:36
decibyteHq`: it sure has potential for improvement. but i really like the idea and how it works already.12:36
deramyes, it has very much potential.12:36
Hq`has anyone had success with QFeedbackEffect on the N9 ?12:36
ZogG_N9i need to start playing with qml12:37
PiruZogG_N9: well I use ssh remote root access with public keys. quite handy12:37
PiruZogG_N9: then entering the password can be delegated to ssh-agent12:37
ZogG_N9but you need to set it so u cant make app with autoroot access12:38
Piruand the pass is for your key, not for root. having to enter your root password all the time just sucks12:38
ZogG_N9btw i tryed to ssh to myself and pass was wrong12:38
Piruremote root login is disabled by default these days (PR1.1+)12:39
ZogG_N9btw is prey porting client for meego or we should email them?12:39
ZogG_N9Piru, i didnt get update12:40
ZogG_N9btw i have pr 005 should i flash to global 001?12:40
ZogG_N9lardman, looking forward for your qr code app and btw i think now we can use app installatiin like we wanted in maemo12:41
jonniyou should wait for 00512:41
ZogG_N9jonni, why!12:42
ZogG_N9?*12:42
jonnidifferent regions have different keyboard layouts etc12:42
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jonniso you might end up in funny situations depending on region12:43
ZogG_N9lardman, it woild be nice to intagrate mime, so it would read what extention and popup with promt like “its an image wanna open” and than it would download and open with img viewer12:44
hiemanshuwhat happened to Alien Dalvik for meego?12:44
ZogG_N9jonni, i got mine from usa and i think they got it from australia, as im in israel i installed hebrew manually anyway12:44
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ZogG_N9i use en as main lang anyway12:45
decibyteis an alpha/beta/whatever version of that qr app available somewhere?12:45
mecehiemanshu, everything that was expected.12:46
ZogG_N9just interesting whats the differents between prs exept layouts12:46
ZogG_N9decibyte, the lardmans mbarcode12:47
jonniZogG_N9: well if your keyboard layout is standard and you dont want any regional customization then 001 should be ok, but I cannot say that officially if you happen to brick your device :)12:48
hiemanshumece: dead?12:48
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jonniI've flashed all kinds of variants to my phone, but then again I'm able to downgrade back to working one if I brick my dev.12:50
decibyteZogG_N9: i fail at the internets. can't find it anywhere. do you have a link?12:50
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lardmanZogG: integrate mime how do you mean?12:56
lardmanyou wouldn't encode an image in a QRcode realistically12:56
lardmanbut it does currently look at the uri type and handle it accordingly12:56
mecehiemanshu, nothing. it was never announced or anything. Just some bloggers read into it more than what it was.12:56
lardmanZogG: re installation, does harmattan offer a .install file equivalent yet? That would make it easier12:57
MohammadAGintegrate it with respect to y lardman12:57
MohammadAGmaking one shouldn't be hard12:58
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lardmanwell we could just call apt directly, but I'd prefer to be able to hand off to something that is designed for the purpose12:58
mecewow these new bots on twitter sure have a lot of followers. I guess there are a lot of them :)13:01
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z720Piru: ur PR1.1 is OTA ?13:22
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ZogG_N9DocScrutinizer, hey13:43
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jeremy_lainejonni: I was wondering about the same thing as ZogG_N9, as I am wondering whether pr 009 will get an update (I think it's Germany)13:46
ZogG_N9it will13:46
ZogG_N9everyone would get13:46
ZogG_N9the question was why should i use native and global13:47
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jonnijeremy_laine: 009 is Europe2, and yes every region will get an update. Most likely people are just 1st fixing the bugs that were noticed on 001 deployment, so people wont get so many bricks.13:50
jonniand eventually even navifirm should be able to find 40-4 flash binaries13:51
ZogG_N9ill wait for ota13:52
jabisjonni, could you be a bit more specific with the navifirm flash? I'm hesitant to try downgrading via the earlier 34-1 image, as the only thing remaining 34-1 seems to be my running kernel13:54
jonniwell on CE devices downgrade is blocked, so if your device is runnung 40-4 then flasher will fail to flash 34-1. Only devices with R&D cert can be downgraded.13:55
jabisjonni: or do you have advice how I could restart the device in flashing mode (I see the new kernel in staging, but every reboot goes with USER instead of xFLASH or whatever the flag would need to be)13:55
Corsacwell, booting with kernel arg bootmode=update should work13:55
Corsacempashis on /should/13:55
CorsacI'm not sure how well passing args to the kernel command line works13:55
jabisthat's what I'm asking jonni about :)13:56
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jabisI now know that the flashable images are in nokia care, but it's >9000 (5days) queue and I can't do without my work phone that long (and as it's OTA that screwed my phone and not me, I refuse to pay extra for "express" service)13:58
merlin1991how does one find out the product code of the device?13:58
Corsacwhat's that queue?13:59
jabisphones in line waiting to be serviced13:59
Corsacoh.13:59
jabis(told to me by one angry updater :D )13:59
SpeedEvilPay the extra.13:59
SpeedEvilClaim it back in small claims court.14:00
jonnimerlin1991: sysinfoclient -p /device/product-code14:00
janpodsame here... OTA screwed my phone14:01
* RST38h yawns, sacrifices a hamster to the Tentacled One14:02
jabisjonni: did you see my question ^ :)14:02
merlin1991thanks jonni14:03
jabisRST38h: you have plenty of hamsters tharr - you a breeder?14:03
Arkenoiis there a way to perform selective restore other than to do manual unzip (which is not guaranteed to work due to aegis uglyness)?14:03
MohammadAGN950 went back to customs for no reason, yay14:04
jonnijabis: "reboot -u"14:04
jabisjonni, cheers - I'll give it a shot14:04
MohammadAGArkenoi, no, regression from Fremantle14:04
jabis*crossing mah fingers*14:05
RST38hjabis: No, I use the word as an euphemism for "blogger"14:06
jabisnokia logo came up - another reboot, nokia logo came up, please lord not a bootloop x)14:06
jabis*tididindindin* - pin code entered - let's see nao14:07
jabisholy shitstickles - it worked - running kernel updated - nao let's see about the borken camera14:08
jonni;)14:08
jabis\o/ YAY for CAMERA14:08
Corsaclet's try that too14:08
Corsacha14:09
jonniglad to be able to help14:09
RST38hMeanwhile: Mexican drug runners torture and decapitate blogger14:09
RST38hThe moderator of a Mexican social network has been tortured and ritually murdered by local drug lords (RITUALLY!)14:09
jabisjonni, I wasn't sure about the flag to give, but I was on the right track anyhow :) thanks a bunch man :>14:09
StskeepsRST38h: Eldar's next14:09
jabisphonetorch also working - and my strobe led-program ^^ let's see about the frontal camera too14:10
RST38hStskeeps: So, who is going to ritually kill poor Eldar?14:10
SpeedEvilRST38h: That is discriminatory to those whose sacrificial practices are shooting people in the head.14:10
jabiseverything works - nao back to them forums to pass on this no-brainer :)14:11
RST38hStskeeps: Given Eldar's previous run-ins with Sony Ericsson, I would expect a katana wound!14:11
ZogG_N9MohammadAG, so n950 is on your way14:11
ZogG_N9\0/14:12
janpodjabis: so all you did to complete the failed PR1.1 update was issue as root command "reboot -u"?14:13
merlin1991MohammadAG: back to customs? WTF?14:14
SpeedEvilMaybe to the normal customs people not the people that stand round pointing guns at the packages.14:15
Pirudamn. my instructions had a bug, missing mkdir -m 0755 -p /var/run/sshd14:16
jabisjanpod: correct14:16
Piruwell all fixed now ;)14:16
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jabisjanpod: we saw the links to the correct kernel in /var/lib/fiasco-flasher/staging/ , and I saw gconfd failing post-inst scripts, thus could reason that the update reboot never took place, and didn't know which argument to pass to reboot for updating, a simple -u flag's for update x)14:18
Corsacjonni: many thanks as well :)14:21
janpodjabis: naw that is really some easy fix. But I can't imagine normal users to do this at all. Nokia should make this update procedure more friendly.14:21
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janpodjabis: do you recommend i run this command via ssh login to N9 or directly on the device's own Terminal? Probably it's all the same.14:24
jonnidoesnt matter14:24
ZogG_N9mece, i see only gtalk and no jabber in accounts14:25
janpodOK then I'm off to try this unfortunate reboot -u ... fingers crossed...14:25
jabisjanpod: doesn't matter, only make sure you're root14:25
jabisso develsh or devel-su -14:25
janpodloading.... nokia logo....14:27
janpodled flashing...14:27
janpodpulsating...14:28
jabisif you still get the wrong version, that means there wasn't a staged kernel in there14:29
jabiswhich you'll then jhave to stage -> fiasco-flasher-stage /usr/share/osso/kernel-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701.fiasco14:29
janpodAbout pruduct: now shows correct version PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_PR_001) ... yupi14:29
janpodYES... camera working again!14:30
janpodjonni, jabis, Corsac ... thank you all.14:31
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Corsacunfortunately, that doesn't fix the fenix/messageserver cpu usage :(14:35
Corsac 1601     1 user     R N  77468  7.6 96.8 /usr/bin/messageserver14:35
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ZogG_N9bye guys ) good day14:38
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jabisCorsac: mine isn't even on top40 of htop on any group by :O14:44
* Arkenoi tries to trace down exactly what causes tracker malfunction14:47
Arkenoiis it google or sowatch14:47
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Corsacjabis: yeah, there's definitely something fishy here (and it doesn't even happen all the time)14:50
CorsacI think it might try to index messages or something like that14:51
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* SpeedEvil wonders if Corsacs messageserver is sending out a million viagra ads a day.14:52
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Corsacdamn14:57
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Arkenoistrange14:59
Arkenoirestore keeps asking me "switch internet connection on?" and seemingly does nothing until i answer yes15:00
Corsacin any case, I asked it to only keep 200 mails right now, and I can definitely say there are much more of them15:00
Arkenoiand i'd better not to15:00
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Corsacsqlite> select count(*) from 'nmo:Message';15:06
Corsac2046815:06
Corsac*nice*15:07
deramthats wee bit over 200 messages15:08
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Corsacindeed15:12
Arkenoidamn15:17
Arkenoiseems that if i do not allow it to access internet restore just never ends15:17
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jonniand now even navifirm has 40-4 001 available, so you can unbrick your N9 manually with flasher.16:00
Corsacas long as you have windows :)16:04
jonnilinux & wine & navifirm16:05
jonnibut that should help the people with messageserver load issues16:05
Corsacno way wine will ever touch my laptop16:05
jonnior as some windows users to download .bin for you16:05
Corsacjonni: fwiw, I removed the account and recreated it16:05
Corsacwill see if that help16:05
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djszapiHi! I do not have a production device by hand. Are the devicelock and mfe set by default on PR 1.0 ?16:09
jabisjonni: were you the hasty one that rushed the image out in the open? If so - thanks for that too, now I can feel good about writing test programs and don't need to worry about bricking it permantly anymore :)16:10
Corsacdjszapi: not that I know16:11
Corsacdjszapi: I didn't configure anything for MFE, but when adding a devicelock it didn't ask me for one16:11
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deramis navifirm firmwares considered official, in case of warranty?16:13
djszapimfe is not set up mm16:13
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djszapideram: no, it is completely illegal16:14
djszapiso not just warranty lacking, but legality, too16:14
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RST38h~lawyers16:17
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Arkenoish?t. i finally had to turn google contact sync off.16:28
Arkenoigave up after 5 restore cycles16:28
Arkenoinothing suspicious in logs, but tracker goes nuts16:28
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djszapicould someone have a sake to try out touch /var/malf and reboot on PR1.0 for instance ?17:11
djszapiIt might cause re-flashing, but I would like to make sure such a minor "issue" causes rebootable MALF automatically.17:11
djszapiif it reboots properly as I expect, rm /var/malf will fix it, so no biggie17:12
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djszapiif not, reflash needed.17:12
gridjszapi: If you give me a 40-4 hint, which version I need to download, I will brick my 1.0 image :)17:14
jabisgri, look at your simtray for model code17:15
jabis(then navifirm discretely to that product code & d/l it for reflashing)17:16
djszapimeh17:16
grijabis: Thank you, it's from norway :)17:17
jabisgri: you need the precise model code (if you don't have R&D cert)17:17
jabisand that's under your simtray :)17:18
jabisprolly NORTH EUROPE model then :)17:18
gri059K755 this code?17:18
jabiscorrect17:18
griNDT NORWAY CYAN !&GB17:18
djszapigri: I do remember it booted17:18
djszapibut my colleague says it did not boot after any MALF in PR 1.0 PR 1.117:19
gridjszapi: moment, I will try17:19
alteregoHas anyone else been accepted in to the Nokia Developer Champion programme this week?17:20
gridjszapi: Does it matter if I touch as root or user (assume user won't work)?17:20
djszapivar is a variable folder17:21
djszapiideally anybody should be able to write on desktop *nix17:21
gri/home/developer $ touch /var/malf17:22
gritouch: /var/malf: Permission denied17:22
griok, must be root then :)17:22
djszapils -lda /var please.17:22
jabisI just got my kernel flashed properly - not gonna malf it for the fuck of it :D17:22
gri~ # ls -lda /var17:22
gridrwxr-xr-x   15 root     root          4096 Aug 31 06:28 /var17:22
djszapimeh17:22
djszapithat slightly enforces the principles what var was designed for17:23
djszapiviolates*, that is17:23
djszapibut at any rate...as root then ;)17:23
jabisdjszapi: btw - the answer to my question from last night was a simple a simple " -u " argument in reboot fyi17:23
griroot wrote, turned off phone *waiting*17:23
djszapijabis: sorry, but what was your question ?17:24
gridjszapi: "Device is malfunctioning" :)17:24
djszapigri: right, does it continue the boot ?17:24
gri"Unidentified problem (unknown):17:24
djszapiafter a few seconds17:24
grinothing so far17:24
jabisdjszapi, what flag do I need to use to get to update mode so that running kernel will be flashed aka camera not working and wrong kernel in /proc/version17:24
gridjszapi: Yep17:25
djszapiI do not recall such a question ...17:25
jabis(after OTA)17:25
grinow it's there again17:25
djszapigri: again where ?17:25
griafter device is malfunctioning it restarted itself again and booted correctly then17:25
djszapiPR 1.0 and N950 ?17:25
gripr 1.0 n917:26
jabisdjszapi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79802 PR 1.1 Camera not working17:26
djszapijabis: sorry I do not recall such a question really17:26
djszapiall I helped with is the camera-ui thingie17:26
djszapiwhat was the problem17:26
jabiscamera-ui not working after PR 1.1 OTA :)17:27
djszapiyes, and explained why17:27
jabiswell, I gave you the correct answer now - it didn't need a reflash, but a reboot -u17:28
gridjszapi: Now it does not respond to the power buttn anymore17:28
jabisfor future reference :)17:28
djszapijabis: roger17:28
grican't turn off screen or phone :D17:28
djszapigri: reboot again please17:28
djszapiit should come back ....17:28
djszapiand then rm /var/malf17:28
djszapior just ssh in this stage ...17:29
djszapiprobably will not work without the device lock thingie ...17:29
griwell, reboot is only possible via ssh now :)17:29
djszapioh my good I have a talk in one hour17:29
djszapigod*17:29
djszapicu later :)17:29
alteregoWoo, my first commit into Qt proper :)17:29
djszapigri: press the button long17:29
alteregoWell, qt-components actually ..17:29
djszapialterego: shame on you no contributing previously : p :p17:30
djszapi;)17:30
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grijabis: Do I need the NORTHEUROPE EMMC?17:31
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alteregodjszapi: well, first official by myself, I've give patches through others' ;)17:33
jabis_oh look - my alpha server is under a ddos17:36
djszapialterego: I hope I can maintain a qt addon module if they accept it :p17:36
djszapialterego: good work anyway, was just jokin' :)17:36
alteregoThanks17:36
jabis_gri, I wouldn't try flashing the eMMC17:38
grijabis_: Ok, and what flasher to use?17:38
jabis_ps - don't ping my primary nick as it's under ddos I can't see shit what's happening there17:39
jabis_gri: as my server is not responding - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and take the WinFlasher_312117:40
jabis_that could connect to my N9 - the newer didn't17:40
djszapigri: the gluon team:17:41
djszapihttp://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/group-photo.jpg17:41
djszapiat least at this sprint :p17:41
gridjszapi: You seem to be the youngest :)17:42
gri(and the only one with a gluon shirt)17:42
grioh no, one more17:43
djszapiI am the only one with that shirt, but not sure about the age ...17:44
Piruhmm. there's an app with security vulnerability in ovi store. the author doesn't appear to take it seriously. how to proceed?17:44
Piru(lets just say that user credentials are sent in clear text)17:45
griWhat program? :)17:45
PiruI'm not going to disclose that here17:45
Pirushould I contact ovi store next so that they can pull the app?17:46
djszapiyes, please asap17:46
Pirudo they have some procedure for this kind of stuff? any pointers?17:46
djszapiif you suspect it can cause harms.17:46
Piruit for sure can17:47
Piruleaking user credentials.. username & password, to a widely user service17:47
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djszapiPiru: at least you can write to the customer service17:47
Piru(obviously you need to see the network traffic, but that can easily happen with open wireless networks)17:47
djszapiand enlight them about the protected storage what the accounts plugin do17:48
djszapiand tell them to improve their QA process17:49
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clbr_n9The QA process seems to be a farce, anyway17:51
clbr_n9Obviously they just try to get the numbers up17:52
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grijabis_: Seems the flasher won't accept the phone :(17:55
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SpeedEvilPiru: Does the service support non-cleartext login?17:56
jabis_gri: you need to use the WinFlasher3.1.2117:58
griflasher 3.12.1 (Oct  6 2011) Harmattan17:58
griSuitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... - and waits forever17:59
jabis_gri: first power down the N9 then cli to the location of the image and issue the command - then when you get to waiting... plug the phone in unpowered17:59
gridid exactly that twice, nothing happened17:59
djszapicu guys later :)18:00
griphone started to show "loading" image18:00
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jabis_don't touch it :)18:00
griwell, the battery loading image18:00
jabis_the flasher will only be able to flash in during the boot18:00
griwhat I missed before: Windows pops up with "unknown device" and fails downloading drivers18:02
griand phone boots the ui18:02
PiruSpeedEvil: for some perverted reason it still does18:02
PiruSpeedEvil: all new APIs don't, but the legacy API is still around and kicking.. unfortunately18:02
jabis_gri: which platform are you on? howbout a virtual machine?18:04
Piruthe new APIs use oauth anyway, making the password issue go away18:04
jabis_gri: you can get a virtual image from the link I gave you earlier, then just use qemu/virtualbox/vmware18:07
PiruI'd show some tcpdump log if it wouldn't instantly reveal what app it is18:08
jabis_Piru: is it a bundled app?18:11
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Pirujabis_: nope18:17
Piruthat'd be really nasty18:17
jabisback with primary - silly DDosers, don't take into account our dataccenter DDos layer x)18:18
PiruI also took a look of the bundled stuff.. mitmed them with sslsniff. everything I looked at worked correctly though (checking certificate validity and refusing to connect via the spoofed cert)18:20
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alteregohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=112082918:27
* alterego chuckles18:27
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PiruSpeedEvil: oops, well slightly misread your question, but yeah the cleartext login is depracated now.. it should all be oauth over ssl in new apps18:28
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grijabis: I'm on windows 718:52
rcgi might see the problem18:55
rcgscnr18:55
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BluesLeehow do i import my bookmarks to the default browser on the n9?19:02
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mgedminBluesLee, the N9 doesn't really have bookmarks per se -- you can have app launchers that open a web page19:24
mgedminthey live as .desktop files in /home/user/.local/share/applications19:26
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tommais there some reference code for creating accounts plugin?19:28
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dm8tbrhttps://gitorious.org/accounts-sso has the sources19:29
Chaz6How can I allow wifi connections in the background, but not 3g?19:30
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ieatlintChaz6: go look at settings -> internet connection19:31
Chaz6ieatlint: i did, but if i change it on the wifi page, it changes it for 3g too19:31
ieatlintuh, no?19:31
ieatlintyou set each connection to "automatically connect" or not19:31
Chaz6I want to set "Allow background connections" to wifi only19:32
jabismgedmin: BluesLee: using Fennec you can sync bookmarks from your desktop browser *hint*19:32
Chaz6I dont want background connections for 3g19:32
jabisChaz6: that doesn't work19:33
jabisit's either or19:33
Chaz6That's what I thought :/19:33
Chaz6My N8 would connect automatically to wifi and not 3g19:33
mgedminChaz6, Settings -> Mobile network -> allow background connections: off19:34
jabismgedmin: that'll toggle all internet connections19:34
jabisa known issue I've been told :)19:34
mgedmineh?19:35
jabischange it and you'll see19:35
Chaz6Ah good at least it's known so hopefully there will  be a fix :)19:35
mgedminso why are there two separate options then?19:35
mgedminor is it the same option shown in two places?19:35
jabisit's the same option showing in two screens x)19:35
mgedminah! ok19:35
mgedminthen go to Edit connections, find your 3G connection, and uncheck [x] use automatically, maybe19:36
mgedmindownside: when you'll launch a web browser or something, you'll probably need to connect manually19:36
jabisI'd remember there's an inquiry "do you want to connect to a network" at that time19:37
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BluesLeejabis: i know that but i am not sure if i should go for fennec for that reason, opera can import from files19:43
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BluesLeeis there community repo for harmattan? a free version of cutetube or should i compile it myself? so many questions ...19:47
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BluesLeecategories on the launcher screen would be nice, can i add contacts to that one?19:48
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BluesLeedamn, i miss my n900:-)19:48
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jabisBluesLee: there is, wait a sec I'll cat the source list19:50
ZogG_N9hey, who is using vlc remote and wich one?19:51
BluesLeejabis: this one http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan?19:51
jabisBluesLee: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./19:51
jabisat least19:51
BluesLeejabis: is there a free version of cutetube?19:52
jabisBluesLee: I'm not sure http://my-meego.com/software/index.php19:52
jabisthere's plenty of harmattan resources around - too shame it's all bits and pieces here and there19:53
jabisalso http://apps.formeego.org/applications/19:53
jabisbut that's more like upcoming resource19:54
BluesLeeyes http://n9-apps.com/19:54
BluesLeeand http://apps.formeego.org/basecategories/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/19:54
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jabisBlues, fennec 10 feels more robust and quick than opera19:55
jabistho I dislike that it doesn't come as native and is still @aurora stage19:56
jabisnative qt I mean19:56
jabisand isn't going to - ever - as stated by the mobile team19:56
ZogG_N9is there package manager for repos, store wouldnt show them i thknk =)19:56
merlin1991lmao foreveralone ended up in the repos :D19:58
merlin1991ZogG_N9: there is19:58
ZogG_N9 in repo? whats the name?19:59
jabisZogG_N9: it's in apps.formeego I think20:00
* merlin1991 couldn't find the name, but someone on tmo wrote abut it in xfades announce thread20:00
macmaNyo. who has skype ui on n95020:00
macmaNWHO I ASK20:00
macmaNhow long do i have to look at this iconless skype connection20:00
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jabistoo bad I'm really too busy - I'm cooking up a skype-able frontal camera shinding (currently testing with desktop Skype, streaming as a webcam) *disclaimer* and no I'm not releasing sources as everything I code is the property of my co-owned company x)20:05
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jabisdisclaimer was a poor choice of words - fyi would been better x)20:06
SpeedEvilyou mean skype on n9?20:07
SpeedEvilOh20:07
macmaNwho20:07
SpeedEvilYou mean act as a desktop 'webcam'.20:08
SpeedEvilIsn't there an app like that in the store already?20:08
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SpeedEvilI thought it was gadget-USB, which raised my hopes.20:08
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jabisSpeedEvil: no a straight plugin for skype iface20:17
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jabisI'm now kinda emulating via webcam interface, but I hope to get it undergoing soon20:18
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jabisthe ERP client for our sales & logistics is higher priority (boo I tell ya x)20:19
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SpeedEvilGotta do what you gotta do.20:21
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DocScrutinizermoo javispedro20:26
javispedromoo!20:26
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: number of the day: 25,00020:26
javispedro25,000 wp7 devices on ebay?20:27
DocScrutinizeron Nokia's giveaway shelf20:27
DocScrutinizerebay... later ;-P20:27
javispedro(i knew -- thus the joke ;P )20:27
javispedrobtw20:28
javispedrofor a quick fun, I suggest reading the comments on that blogpost20:28
javispedro(the one in nokia dev blog)20:28
DocScrutinizerthe whining students?20:29
javispedro"I once sent an email to Elop telling him how good his WP7 strategy was! I deserve a free phone!"20:29
DocScrutinizeryeah20:29
DocScrutinizermust be US or India20:30
DocScrutinizermax 18 y o20:30
Fryehehe20:30
FryeMaybe it's just me but for me the live tiles look like broken web portal.20:31
javispedrothat was the idea, I guess20:31
FryeIf I come to a web page that flashes like that it's instant close for it20:31
FryeThere's really nothing to say there if there is room for that kind of mumbo jumbo20:31
javispedroFrye: http://r33b.net/ all glory to flashy websites!20:32
Fryehaha20:32
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if "the whore" (err Lumia) also has a tight security framework from xloader up20:32
FryeAnyway I would still take one free just to play around with it for a few days20:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you betcha why MS mandates a single SOC vendor20:33
DocScrutinizer:nod:20:33
DocScrutinizerwill be fun to crack ;-D20:33
Fryehehe20:33
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DocScrutinizerwell, we'll be able to check by ourselves soon enough :-)20:35
FryeAnyway I'm not going to buy one myself before the development can be done on mac or linux =)20:35
FryeAnd most likely not even then ;-)20:35
dm8tbrjavispedro: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/20:36
dm8tbrbut rest assured, the STE silly-cone also has crypto and signing all over it...20:37
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* dm8tbr has a snowball on his desk20:37
javispedronever heard of it?20:37
rafael2kpeople, I could run my "a.out" after compiling a software with gcc20:37
dm8tbrsnowball is the EVM/PDK for the NovaThor20:37
javispedrohm, it seems to have a mali20:37
rafael2kwhy aegis did not stopped me?20:37
dm8tbrjavispedro: yes20:37
Stskeepsrafael2k: it'll hit you when you want it the least to20:38
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121148/nokias-phone-lumia-means-prostitute-spanish-slang20:38
javispedrodm8tbr: weird thing, I guess they are able to make Direct3DMobile drivers for other platforms after all20:38
rafael2kStskeeps: well, but it isn't supposed to only permitt registered binaries to run?20:38
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DocScrutinizernot on ID::user20:40
rafael2kI was logged as root20:41
DocScrutinizerhmmmmmmm20:41
DocScrutinizeraccli -l20:41
rafael2k(<- suffering to get a useable workstation on N950)20:41
DocScrutinizeraiui paegis lets you run binaries that don't need nor will get granted any special permissions20:42
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javispedroit shouldn't20:42
rafael2kaccli -l ?20:42
DocScrutinizerrafael2k: so *ssshhhhh* ! ;-P20:42
rafael2kis "-l" the right parameter?20:42
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rafael2kooops20:43
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rafael2k-I20:43
rafael2kMode is normal20:44
ZogG_N9damn i timeouted20:44
rafael2kand there are some credentials20:44
ZogG_N9so what is package manager name20:44
ZogG_N9found only on gitorious some projects20:45
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clbris it possible to change the from-address for an email account? entered the wrong alias when setting it up20:47
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rafael2kDocScrutinizer: Do you have the full toolchain packages correctly installed on the N9(50)?20:48
ZogG_N9damn i closed app by mistake20:48
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clbrand I could sweat that PR1.0 had an sqlite3 cli tool, but I can't find it anymore in PR1.120:48
ZogG_N9so did i miss an answer?20:48
clbr~swear20:48
infobotHeck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah.20:48
BluesLeejabis: for what /etc/skyhost/skypevideocodecs.conf is good if not used?20:49
DocScrutinizerrafael2k: none of that20:49
ZogG_N9~clbr20:49
ZogG_N9~ping20:50
infobot~pong20:50
clbrups, does "~" mean something irc-wise?20:50
BluesLeedoes the n9 kbd provide curso keys?20:50
infobot~ is the key20:50
clbrwhatever, I'd rather prefer to sweat than to sweat in here20:51
infobot~+help20:51
ZogG_N9BluesLee, i saw it only on few apps so no20:51
clbrsomeone played with my keyboard 8-|20:52
ZogG_N9clbr, liar20:52
DocScrutinizer~+help20:52
infobotI learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"20:52
infobot37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, babelfish, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat20:52
infobot39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection20:52
infobot32 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf20:52
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ZogG_N9DocScrutinizer, damn u20:53
ZogG_N9what for?20:53
DocScrutinizer~lart ZogG_N920:53
* infobot cuts off ZogG_N9's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper20:53
ZogG_N9~rape DocScrutinizer20:53
* infobot takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams20:53
clbrbut I guess there's is just no way to change the email sender address except playing with the sqlite-database20:54
DocScrutinizershe does that twice a day, without you telling her20:54
DocScrutinizer;-P20:54
DocScrutinizer~attack ZogG_N920:54
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing ZogG_N920:54
ZogG_N9DocScrutinizer, where can i find package manager ?20:54
ZogG_N9DocScrutinizer, im from phone, save my batt20:54
DocScrutinizerbah, N9 bat life seems exceptionally great20:55
DocScrutinizernfc about packet manager20:55
ZogG_N9nfc? lol20:55
ZogG_N9it stand for no f clue or nfc device?20:56
ZogG_N9~package manager n920:57
* infobot puts manager n9 in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet20:57
ZogG_N9where i find infobot?20:58
ZogG_N9where can i find infobot?20:59
ZogG_N9=(20:59
javispedroDocScrutinizer: (bat life) good news I guess, n950 is for some reason getting worse battery life with each upgrade..20:59
BluesLeejabis: i guess you are working for bk?21:00
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MohammadAGjavispedro, stop bitching, you have an N95021:01
javispedroMohammadAG: touché21:01
javispedroMohammadAG: how's your story?21:02
MohammadAGjavispedro, to be continued next week21:02
javispedrowell that's a given21:02
MohammadAGcan you check my shipment status?21:02
MohammadAG~Israel-sucks21:03
javispedroare they even going to update it again?21:03
infobot[israel-sucks] http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A21:03
MohammadAGI'm on 2G21:03
javispedrooh, they updated it21:03
MohammadAGto Clearance delay?21:04
MohammadAGor We're fucking with you21:04
MohammadAGHmm21:04
javispedroMohammadAG: but did they "find" it? Or they're still searching21:04
MohammadAGwe're blaming this on Israel21:04
MohammadAGwhat if it's Aegis's fault21:04
javispedroAegis is a weapon of mass destruction21:04
w00tMohammadAG: did you contact DDP?21:05
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MohammadAGw00t, yes, they contacted DHL yesterday who then contacted Israel21:07
MohammadAGknowing Israel, they probably didn't understand the question and deleted the message21:07
jesuschristhi ppl21:08
jesuschristsup21:08
w00tMohammadAG: you really need to move :-P21:08
javispedroMohammadAG: I guess that if Nokia keeps poking them, they will eventually send some men in black to your home21:08
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jesuschristanyone with a swizterland phone recived the 1.1 update ?21:10
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ZogG_N9sup sup sup22:12
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jabisback again22:28
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jabisblues took off22:28
Corsachmhm, did anyone try to send a calendar event from Harmattan to Fremantle (by mail)?22:30
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jonnijesuschrist: switzerland 1.1 images are in navifirm if you havent got ssu yet.22:41
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kimjuwhat is navifirm?22:43
jonnikimju: 3rd party app which has nice ui to fetch flashing binaries to all nokia phones off from nokia servers22:46
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ZogG_N9is there way to take screens natively or i need an app for that btw?22:51
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jonniZogG_N9: atleast on N9 you need to download free app from ovi store, on N950, there might have been 3-key-combination which takes screenshot22:52
ZogG_N9thanks22:53
rantomControl+Shift+P, I think, for N95022:53
ZogG_N9as at n90022:53
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merlin1991ZogG_N9: there's also a nifty peace of gst command that you can do over ssh22:57
jesuschristjonni : i dont want to risk my n9 with navifirm :\ plus navifirm images are 1.1 gb23:01
jesuschristhey zog23:02
jesuschristyou finally got a n923:02
jesuschristgj23:03
jonnijesuschrist: well navifirm downloads then directly from nokia servers, and nokia care images are 1.1gb also :)23:03
jonnithen=them23:03
jesuschristyep but isnt offical ota upgrade 200 mb ?23:03
jonniota is only the difference between pr 1.0 and pr1.1, where as those bins are the full sets.23:04
jonniie if you want to fix a brick you need 1.1gb file23:04
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jesuschristexactly, i dont want to navifirm ma n9 yo23:05
jesuschristi can wait, just checking other switz users23:05
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jesuschristdid you recive the new 1.1 jonni ?23:05
ZogG_N9merlin1991, like apt-get install scrot? =)23:06
jonniand full sets usually work better, since then there are no version conflicts that end users might have installed.23:06
merlin1991ZogG_N9: like  gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png23:07
jonnijesuschrist: well I've had 1.1 for some while now since I work for the Nokia, flashing those 1.1gb images happily23:07
ZogG_N9merlin1991, i didnt find package manager btw only client from formeego and it has 4 apps, would it read from other repos as well?23:08
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ajalkanejonni: do you know, as you work for Nokia, when there will be official images for flashing N9s? We've had them for quite some while for N950, but never so far for N9.23:08
ZogG_N9jonni, give us insidet info when pr 005 update is comming?23:09
merlin1991ZogG_N9: I only repeated what I read on the forums, didn't investigate it myself23:09
ZogG_N9=(23:09
jonniajalkane: well those navifirm images are downloaded from nokia servers, so they are the official images, and there is already 005 in there23:09
ZogG_N9jonni, waiting for ota, or ut out too?23:10
jonnibut if your asking about ota update, they are load balanced and will happed when they will happen, I dont know the dates23:10
ajalkanejonni: ok, but the navifirm sw works only in Windows. And it feels kinda "stealthy", not official. No plans for One-Click-Flasher like N950 has?23:11
jesuschristjonni : kill elop, would you ?23:12
ZogG_N9lol23:12
jesuschristin a symbolic way ofc :D23:12
ajalkaneI'm asking only because my friend bought N9, and I've advised him against activating developer mode until flasher is available since I know at least one instance where the phone entered MALF after activating developer mode.23:12
jonniajalkane: hard to do one-click flasher since there are so many variants, it would make once-click-flasher to be 60gb size :)23:12
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ajalkanejonni: alright, I understand. So I guess navifirm is what we got and in that light I can safely advise my friend that he can activate developer mode - the N9 is reflashable somehow. Thanks.23:14
jonniajalkane: navifirm images can fix malf always23:14
jesuschristso navifirm is officially supported by nokia ?23:14
jonnijesuschrist: navifirm is not supported by nokia, nokia care is using their own internal software, but that is not available for public. Both those softwares fetch the images from same servers though23:15
jesuschristuh ok23:16
jesuschristactually developer mode has lot of problems tbh23:16
jesuschristinstalling apps from ovi store kills sshd23:16
ajalkanenot for me. Installed plenty. Sshd:ing every day.23:17
jonnijesuschrist: all the problems that I know are because of ssu, havent heard any problems on developer-mode on devices with full flash.23:17
jesuschristssu stands for ?23:17
jonnissu=ota23:17
jesuschristjonni : ive noticed that, sometimes when i install apps from ovi store, sshd stop working...23:18
jesuschristhappened 3 times23:18
jesuschristsince i wouldnt bother to search with the in.built terminal for where the binary was i had to uninstall and reinstall dev mode23:19
jonnishouldnt be releated to each other, some times installing app eats a lot of cpu though so it might be releated to some tcp timeout23:19
jesuschristjonni : ps aux | grep sshd23:19
jesuschristnothing there23:19
jonnijesuschrist: oh, I'll check internal bugzilla tomorrow, if someone else has noticed the same....23:20
jonniand hmmm, pm23:21
jesuschristanother thing jonni since you work for nokia and you are so kind to answer23:21
jesuschristany idea on where ovi suite will support n9 ?23:21
jonnijesuschrist: afaik never.23:23
jesuschristwut23:23
jesuschristreally ?23:24
jesuschristwow!23:24
jonnidisclaimer, thats not the official answer of nokia, just me idling here as developer :)23:24
jesuschristhow the fuck should i be able to import sms from my old e7023:24
jesuschristarghhhh23:25
ZogG_N9jonni what have u developed for n9?23:25
ajalkanejesuschrist: did you know that an older version of Ovi Suite works with N9, and if you first install that version and upgrade after, you still have it working with N9?23:25
jesuschristajalkane : yeah i know it! but that doesnt work with sms!!!!!23:26
jesuschristit just sync contacs!23:26
ajalkanejesuschrist: ah... didn't know that. Sorry for your loss :-P23:26
ajalkaneI guess you can try putting them into sim-card if it can fit them all :)23:26
jesuschristtried to import sms in .nbu format and wouldnt work!23:26
jesuschristajalkane : tried, small sim...23:27
ajalkanejesuschrist: Here's what's left: Pen + paper + jesuschrist = fun times23:27
jesuschrist:(23:28
jesuschristi could ask for a bigger sim23:29
jesuschristhmmm23:29
jesuschristthat would cose me 20 bucks23:29
ZogG_N9 jesuschrist make an app to do it inside  n923:32
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jesuschristsounded like a curse, since he quitted23:32
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ajalkaneSounded like blasphemy for sure. Not something you would expect from someone named ZOG.23:40
VelmontHm. Merging contacts is *extremely slow*. Opening a merged contact for editing sometimes doesn't work, and sometimes pops up after a minute(!). Is it known? Any way to debug?23:40
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VelmontAlso, -- bad UX in the merging contacts UI. --- It should not close merging dialog when pressing "Merge" -- it should rather say OK, -- STAY at the same place in the list, and allow you to choose more contacts to merge.23:41
jesuschristajalkane : zog should stand for ?23:41
ajalkaneGoogle it23:42
VelmontI've imported my big contact list from gmail (the autofetch feature only got my gtalk contacts (?)), via file, and there's tons of duplicates because N9 already imported the GTalk contacts on its own :-)23:42
jesuschristdid it :823:42
ajalkaneI dare not say it aloud23:42
ajalkaneZOGgists are often vehement supporters of jesuschrist23:43
jesuschristi thought zoggist are vehement supporters of palestinian genocide23:44
jesuschristor maybe i googled the wrong thing23:44
ajalkaneYou're on the right track, but I think they're mainly on the side of palestinians23:45
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jesuschristoh right23:45
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jesuschristajalkane : how did you import sms ?23:50
ajalkanejesuschrist: I didn't. I have nothing of importance in them. They're just chitter chatter for me, so I didn't have to.23:51
jesuschrista real man, no emotions23:52
jesuschristyeaah23:52
jesuschrist:D23:52
ajalkaneI'm just a wanna-be geek. Emotions, I've heard, are for girls not geeks I've heard.23:53
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jesuschristactually girls arent for geeks, ive heard23:53
jesuschrist:D23:53
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ajalkaneTrue. But I'm stuck with my wife, so I have to do with the cards I've been dealt with.23:54
jesuschristwhatever, the inhability for "girls" to import their sms still is a big prob23:55
ajalkaneI'm sure there's some geeky shell script the girls can write to import the sms messages :-P23:57
ajalkaneBtw. can you export just part of the messages to sim? That way you could import them in suitable amount of messages at a time to N9?23:58
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jesuschristactually ive exported them in .csv23:58
Venemogood evening everyone :)23:59
jesuschristi guess a shell script wont be enough, first of all i have no idea in wich format the n9 stores its own sms23:59
ajalkanejesuschrist: then it's only a matter of activating your inner geek and writing a script to import them into N923:59
ajalkaneN9 probably stores the messages in Tracker.23:59

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