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| Corsac | ok so in case people wondered, PowerKeyShortAction=menu doesn't exactly work on N9 | 00:03 |
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| Corsac | that's too bad :( | 00:03 |
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| ieatlint | success... i've obtained an n9, and all i had to do was beg, threaten, grab and run | 00:21 |
| Venemo | ieatlint, you didn't pay for it? | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | not as such | 00:21 |
| Venemo | tell me more about it | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | i did a favour for nokia that involved 3 weeks of 10h days | 00:22 |
| Venemo | mmm | 00:22 |
| ieatlint | they also gave me a coffee mug and a tshirt | 00:23 |
| Venemo | nice | 00:24 |
| Venemo | I also have a nokia-branded mug, and also a notebook (not a laptop, an actual note book) | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | i'm just happy my n9 isn't pink | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | blue.. | 00:25 |
| Venemo | well, I'd prefer if they launched a green one (like the green N8) | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | huh, never saw the green n8 | 00:26 |
| Venemo | but since there is no green, I'd settle for the white version of the N9 | 00:27 |
| Venemo | ieatlint, http://blog.phoneslimited.co.uk/files/2010/10/nokia-n8-green-pl4.jpg | 00:27 |
| arcean | Venemo: http://www.symbiantweet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Nokia-n9-ornage-green.jpg | 00:28 |
| Venemo | arcean, hmm, I actually like the orange one better | 00:30 |
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| Venemo | arcean, are these photoshopped or these are actually confirmed colours? | 00:30 |
| arcean | dunno | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | that looks like an ugly green | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | better question, are those n9s or lumia 800s? | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I thought the edge of the n9 was different | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | i think i see what resembles the vga front camera in the bottom right, which would indicate n9, but it's hard to tell | 00:31 |
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| Sazpaimon | has anyone noticed that the usb charger that comes with the N9 has much shorter teeth than most other chargers | 01:45 |
| Sazpaimon | trowback to the N900 issues? | 01:46 |
| pcfe | one would hope it's being over cautious and that the connector on the pcb is through holes this time aroound | 01:51 |
| pcfe | has there been a teardown yet? | 01:51 |
| pcfe | s/oo/o/ | 01:51 |
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| frals | oh my god, ovi qa is awesome | 08:46 |
| frals | disclaimer on first launch "please only put b&w images since others may not show up correctly" | 08:46 |
| frals | OVI QA FAILED: ACTUAL RESULTS: The icon sometimes does not show up, and when it does show up, it is corrupted and not displayed properly. | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 09:51 |
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| jpnurmi | hmm, QFeedbackEffect::playThemeEffect() does... nothing on N9? | 10:13 |
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| Corsac | hhm, are bugs on developer.nokia.com for product Harmattan read? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 11:21 |
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| ieatlint | huh, the release n9 doesn't have swype? | 11:26 |
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| gri | should come with the next firmware | 11:34 |
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| matrixx | any idea of where are different emoticon sets defined? | 12:20 |
| matrixx | this is what I found from gconf: CurrentCustomEmoticonTheme = 343a7f65-0095-4eae-8fc2-87af7f3bf5158 | 12:21 |
| matrixx | looks like an uuid | 12:21 |
| matrixx | I want to make a emoticon theme which looks exactly the same you type :) | 12:21 |
| matrixx | like if emoticon theme was set to "none" | 12:22 |
| matrixx | but can't find where the sets are defined :( | 12:22 |
| gri | matrixx: Do you know which emoticon is mapped to a certain input? (Would need this to add emoticons to my program) | 12:29 |
| Venemo | hey gri :) | 12:31 |
| gri | Hello Venemo | 12:31 |
| Venemo | how're you? | 12:32 |
| gri | fine but I feel like my project is an endless effort :/ | 12:32 |
| matrixx | gri: no, those mappings I would like to also found :) | 12:34 |
| Venemo | gri, what's jour project? :) | 12:34 |
| matrixx | those mappings, and which uuid is connected to which theme | 12:34 |
| gri | Venemo: That crappy Web2SMS program for sending sms messages via scraped websites or webservice-apis | 12:35 |
| matrixx | well, in this case there's only one theme, and its icons are found from basic theme dir | 12:35 |
| matrixx | so I'm not sure if it's really supporting multiple emoticon sets :/ | 12:35 |
| Venemo | gri, and what's the problem? | 12:36 |
| gri | Venemo: too much to be done :) | 12:36 |
| gri | there's the phone part and the server part | 12:36 |
| gri | phone part consists of accounts ui, message handling and ui | 12:36 |
| gri | server is webservice and backend service | 12:37 |
| Venemo | mhm | 12:37 |
| gri | phone part is almost done but it took me ages (ok, got distracted very much) | 12:38 |
| gri | now I'm sitting at porting the server side | 12:39 |
| Venemo | huh | 12:41 |
| Venemo | why the fuck is Qt so buggy? seriously. | 12:41 |
| Venemo | setFlag(QGraphicsItem::ItemClipsToShape, true); ---> this makes it mad | 12:42 |
| w00t | Venemo: is it a rectangular shape? | 12:47 |
| Venemo | w00t, nope | 12:47 |
| Venemo | w00t, obviously not :) | 12:47 |
| w00t | then i'd hazard a guess at it not being supported | 12:48 |
| Venemo | w00t, I've just made my puzzle pieces to be actually puzzlepiece shaped | 12:48 |
| matrixx | w00t: hey, have you any idea where emoticons themes are defined? | 12:48 |
| Venemo | it works allright! but when I rotate the items, sometimes Qt stops delivering any events to them. | 12:48 |
| w00t | matrixx: no, apart from "probably somewhere in meegotouch's theme css" | 12:49 |
| Venemo | w00t, this means that I have to manually write some code that disregards the event if its position is at a transparent point. | 12:49 |
| Venemo | w00t, however, that is IMPOSSIBLE in the case of touch events. | 12:49 |
| matrixx | w00t: yeah, so far I've found a gconf key which value looks like uuid, and the actual icons | 12:49 |
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| matrixx | but no mappings are origin of the uuid | 12:49 |
| matrixx | *mappings or | 12:50 |
| Venemo | w00t, I have not found a way to reliably reproduce this. sometimes it happens, sometimes not. but if you drag an item around, it'll eventually happen. | 12:51 |
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| matrixx | w00t: at least not found in messaging-ui css | 12:53 |
| matrixx | I hope they are not hardcoded :( | 12:53 |
| matrixx | but at least the emoticon theme setting in settings would imply they aren't | 12:53 |
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| Venemo | gri, you still here? | 13:43 |
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| pawky | Where does the N9 put the backups it creates? | 14:04 |
| jonni | pawky: /home/user/MyDocs/.backups | 14:06 |
| pawky | jonni, ahh.. it was a hidden one, thank you :-) | 14:06 |
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| gri | Venemo: yep | 14:14 |
| Venemo | gri, do you have expertise with Qt Graphics view crap? | 14:15 |
| gri | Nope | 14:15 |
| Venemo | sorry for bothering you then | 14:16 |
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| gri | Venemo: do you know anyone who used python embedding in multithreaded c++ applications? There are a few tutorials on the internet but they don't seem to be what I want | 14:19 |
| Venemo | gri, I have no clue at all about pythom | 14:19 |
| gri | me too, that's the problem :P | 14:19 |
| pawky | gri, im just curious, why would you like to embedd python in a C++ application? | 14:20 |
| gri | pawky: My program loads c++ and python plugins | 14:20 |
| pawky | gri, oh... i see | 14:20 |
| gri | but the python function calls are blocking so I want to put them into a thread | 14:21 |
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| gri | but it's a C api, so you have to handle to locking some time yourself | 14:21 |
| gri | the locking* | 14:21 |
| pawky | gri, i see.. | 14:22 |
| gri | and if I lock the interpreter in one thread and call a function there, all other threads using python stop at the same time ... so that's not the way to go :( | 14:23 |
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| pinheiro | crach | 14:31 |
| ZogG | Venemo \0/ | 14:31 |
| pinheiro | not on the phone | 14:31 |
| pinheiro | :D | 14:31 |
| Venemo | hey ZogG :) | 14:32 |
| ZogG | Venemo, couldn't stand it and ordered n9 64gb =) | 14:32 |
| Venemo | ZogG, congrats :) | 14:32 |
| ZogG | yay | 14:32 |
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| ZogG | too expensive yay | 14:33 |
| ZogG | =_(((( | 14:33 |
| ZogG | but i love myself too much to say no =) | 14:33 |
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| Venemo | ZogG :) | 14:54 |
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| ZogG | Venemo, now i know c++ a little bit so it would be little bit easier to code something simple though i prefer to learn C more than C++ | 14:55 |
| Venemo | nice | 14:57 |
| Venemo | well, I gotta leave very soon | 14:57 |
| Venemo | so have a nice day ZogG :) | 14:58 |
| ZogG | Venemo hope to talk to you soon | 14:58 |
| ZogG | i know you are missing my stupid questions =-) | 14:58 |
| ZogG | have a magic day man | 14:58 |
| Venemo | hehe, yeah :) | 14:59 |
| Venemo | you too | 14:59 |
| Venemo | I'll try to remain on the channel with da N950 | 14:59 |
| Venemo | will be a good test for my IRC client | 15:00 |
| ZogG | Venemo next week i'm ready to be your beta tester =) | 15:02 |
| Venemo | thx :) | 15:03 |
| Venemo | nah, bye! | 15:03 |
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| jpnurmi | anyone used the mobility tactile feedback apis on harmattan? it just does nothing when i try to play a theme effect... | 15:09 |
| gri | Is harmattan-dev gone? I can't seem to find the doxygen documentations anymore | 15:33 |
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| npm | jpnurmi: i'd like to use mobility tactile feedback for a project of mine... got a link to what you're trying out? | 16:30 |
| npm | ^^ sorry can't help. | 16:30 |
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| npm | jpnurmi: my intuitive response is that you need to enable some aegis security token to allow haptic feedback in your app | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | wouldn't haptic be done through mce? | 16:36 |
| npm | also check http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2.0-beta1/qfeedbackeffect.html#ThemeEffect-enum | 16:38 |
| * npm gets geek-sniped into looking at http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2.0-beta1/qml-feedback.html#details | 16:39 | |
| npm | so does anybody have a qml example of using haptics to give a "feel" to dynamic graphical objects on the screen. so that you can "feel" where a landmark is on a map as you move your finger around, etc. | 16:44 |
| jpnurmi | npm: thanks for the tip. that could be it | 16:44 |
| npm | actually a really simple example would suffice, like having a round audio control with haptic "detents" so you feel when you're at "center" or at each click. | 16:45 |
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| npm | jpnurmi: and also, coming to think of it, woudln't the policy manager also have effect, as in you wouldn't want your "$1000-e-vibrator" app to prevent calls from coming in. :-) | 16:50 |
| npm | i.e. you may need to setup the app as "Game" perhaps? | 16:50 |
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| npm | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4125 | 16:53 |
| jpnurmi | npm: thanks! gotta play with that once i get home | 16:57 |
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| * npm wonders when nokia will start advertising that it not only has the loudest phone, but also the strongest vibrator :-) | 17:03 | |
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| gri | Does anyone in here also have the problem that QtCreator for Harmattan compiles the program, creates the package but the deployed binary on device has no +x flags and therefore can't be started? | 17:16 |
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| rzr | hi | 17:36 |
| rzr | so does flashing to latest ocf worth it ? | 17:36 |
| rzr | i am still on b1 and plan to do that after you confirm its ok | 17:37 |
| GNUton | gri: Qt Creator works fine for me | 17:41 |
| GNUton | gri: I have never seen such problem. | 17:42 |
| gri | GNUton: on another project it works partially fine .. the project deploys two binaries, one gets +x, the other one not ... | 17:42 |
| gri | on my disk all binaries have +x | 17:42 |
| GNUton | gri: okay I actualyl never tried to build a pacakge with 2 binaries | 17:43 |
| GNUton | BTW you could create a postinst file as workaround | 17:43 |
| gri | that's what my plan was | 17:43 |
| GNUton | and of course file the bug | 17:44 |
| GNUton | to bugzilla.qt.nokia.com | 17:44 |
| tomma | gri, what version of qt-creator? | 17:45 |
| gri | tomma: 2.3.1 and 2.4.0 beta | 17:47 |
| gri | linux 32 bit | 17:47 |
| tomma | which creator you used for creating harmattan packaging stuff? | 17:49 |
| gri | for the project with two binaries 2.3.1 | 17:52 |
| gri | for the project now which fails and got 1 binary it's 2.4.0 | 17:52 |
| gri | maybe it doesn't like that I changed parts of the packaging (only in .pro files) | 17:53 |
| tomma | hmm... packaking use "make install" which means it is qmake which doesn't set right permissions for files | 17:56 |
| tomma | how does INSTALL stuff in your .pro file look for that one binary project? | 17:57 |
| gri | well, the compiled files on my disk are executables | 17:58 |
| gri | they are actually installed on the phone in the place where I defined | 17:59 |
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| gri | but they miss +x | 17:59 |
| gri | target.path = /usr/lib/AccountSetup | 17:59 |
| gri | INSTALLS += target | 17:59 |
| tomma | i have no idea how qmake checks if file is binary or not... | 18:00 |
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| gri | In my other project where I deploy two binaries and only one gets +x, that happens only with madde - a package created by scratchbox works fine | 18:01 |
| GNUton | Infact I believe it's not a QMake problem, but it's related to Madde | 18:03 |
| tomma | seems like problem with harmattan toolchain then | 18:03 |
| GNUton | qmake generates a Makefile | 18:03 |
| gri | how can I see the flags of the files inside a .deb? | 18:03 |
| GNUton | You should add chmod +x command at beginning of install: target | 18:04 |
| GNUton | or at the end of build: | 18:05 |
| GNUton | in your debian/rules file | 18:05 |
| gri | Well, I found in one of my maemo5 projects, I also have a chmod +x in debian/postinst | 18:05 |
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| GNUton | that's another way | 18:06 |
| GNUton | but postinst runs on the device itself | 18:06 |
| gri | yes, but that's also fine | 18:06 |
| GNUton | yes it is | 18:06 |
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| gri | postinst works, yay :) | 18:11 |
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| GNUton | gri: great :D | 18:13 |
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| Venemo_N950 | fuck yeah... my new favourite bug only occours when I add my own declarative item as a child of a Page component | 18:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | so the bug is in Components. | 18:45 |
| Venemo_N950 | if I just add that to a plain qml file and show that, the error is not present | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | I have no idea how to debug this any further :( | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | w00t, maybe you know something about this? | 18:46 |
| jonni | what kind of bug? | 18:47 |
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| frals | whats the bug and what does your declarativeitem do? | 18:50 |
| frals | i.e show us teh source! | 18:50 |
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| Venemo_N950 | jonni, sorry I got disconnected | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok, read the channel log | 19:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | frals, see the qml branch at | 19:10 |
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| Venemo_N950 | http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master | 19:10 |
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| djszapi | gri: faenil's speak can be seen in the short Qt Dev Days video ;-) | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | bug is that the items won't receive any events when rotated | 19:11 |
| gri | djszapi: I already watched that :) And I've seen it live :P | 19:12 |
| djszapi | gri: I also appeared for short time. They caught my laugh :D | 19:12 |
| gri | djszapi: Really? Now I have to watch it again :D | 19:13 |
| * gri is invisible, not videos, no pictures (atleast not officially) | 19:13 | |
| Venemo_N950 | frals, jonni, it reproduces after a couple of drags and rotates | 19:13 |
| djszapi | gri: 2:54-2:55 :) | 19:14 |
| gri | do you have the url? | 19:14 |
| gri | otherwise I need to ask google again | 19:14 |
| djszapi | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos#c-146 | 19:15 |
| djszapi | Qt Developers Days / 2011 | 19:15 |
| djszapi | Developer Days* | 19:15 |
| gri | djszapi: Haha, right I missed that at the first watch | 19:17 |
| jonni | only thing that I notived yesterday that on portrait mode puzzle master handled the touch events to wrong direction :) | 19:17 |
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| Venemo_N950 | jonni, yesterday it didn't have the ItemClipToShape flag set | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | btw it's not supposed to rotate (also fixed now) | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | if I remove that flag, the events work, but the game logic doesn't really. | 19:24 |
| jonni | hmm your using mouseevents and not touchevents... | 19:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | i use touch too.... | 19:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | are you sure you're watching the qml branch? | 19:28 |
| jonni | maybe Im blind or I dont see it on gitorious sources | 19:28 |
| jonni | ah, wrong branch | 19:28 |
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| jonni | hmm, your using both mouse & touch events, there might be some compications when using both at the same time, as if you set event->accept() on mouse it might cancel the touch event and vice versa. or atleast at some point earlier they had wierd behaviour on that. Havent checked lately how they beheave nowadays. | 19:33 |
| jonni | ie I would only use touchevents or mouse events and not both at the same time. | 19:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | jonni, frals: full url to source tree is http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/trees/qml - the custom items are PuzzleBoard and PuzzleItem and the qml is located in the qml/meego directory. | 19:34 |
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| Venemo_N950 | jonni, well, since there is no way to determine whether the current platform supports touch or not, I must use both. | 19:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | but it usually just works. | 19:35 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I'm 100% sure this is not the issue. since I'm not receiving ANY events | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | packet mail from Finland :-) | 19:36 |
| KRF | hey ho. i managed to brick my n9. it tells me "device is malfunctioning, security problem, and points to some DSO". it tells me to re-flash the device. is there an easier solution? if not, where do i get the image for the n9? | 19:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, what's in it? | 19:39 |
| KRF | does the n950 flasher work for the n9? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: dunno, unpacking ;-P | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | KRF, probably not | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, tellmetellme | 19:40 |
| ieatlint | KRF: the flasher itself does, the n950 images will not | 19:40 |
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| jonni | KRF, malf can be removed by removing one file from filesystem, but if you cannot ssh into device, then only way to fix is by reflashing. | 19:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | jonni, were you able to reproduce the issue? | 19:43 |
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| KRF | jonni: not sure if i can ssh to work. any hints? | 19:45 |
| KRF | the usb0 adapter doesnt seem to give me an IP | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | jonni, can't someone add an init script to delete that file? | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | so whenever it malfs, it unmalfs with another reboot? | 19:45 |
| jonni | Venemo_N950: sorry havent had time to compile and test yet. | 19:46 |
| KRF | are you guys talking about my issue or something else? | 19:46 |
| jonni | KRF: most likely ssh is only started at later phase on boot | 19:46 |
| KRF | jonni: yep. think so | 19:46 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: yes in theory someone can make custom kernel and initrd which deletes the file (but it would also need to fix the original file that caused the malf, ie fix the file the conflicted reference hashes) | 19:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | jonni, ok, no problem :) | 19:47 |
| KRF | jonni: so, that sounds like i need to re-flash. is the n9 image available somewhere? | 19:49 |
| jonni | KRF: n9 images were available with navifirm, but I think that getting ssu images are currently blocked/disabled for time beeing. | 19:50 |
| KRF | jonni: here are some direct links to navifirm stuff, are these valid? http://coderus.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/nokia_n9_dead_flashing_en/ | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: looks like an N9 black 16GB | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, you bought an n9? | 19:59 |
| jonni | KRF: ah yes that bin should be enough to reflash pr1.0 to n9 atleast the filename looks valid. | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=32766&postcount=12 | 20:00 |
| KRF | jonni: cool. one last question: how can i avoid this situation in the future? :) | 20:01 |
| KRF | (beside not hacking on the N9) | 20:01 |
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| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, my N950 doesn't wanna display that link :( | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, FMC seems slow ATM | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | yeah | 20:04 |
| jonni | KRF: if filename is found in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist, then you should not edit it, unless you also update sha1sum checksum to refhashlist and are able to tcb-sign it to match the new checksum. otherwise you most likely will end up with malf. | 20:08 |
| dm8tbr | there seems to be a ddos or other network problems with meego.com for at least a week now | 20:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | could you pastebin the relevant part DocScrutinizer? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ATM not, posting a reply which meanwhile reached 38% of "loading page" :-P | 20:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehh | 20:09 |
| KRF | jonni: okay. thanks a lot for the hints! | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 44% | 20:11 |
| jonni | KRF: and also not a good idea to edit/delete files that match: grep mandatory /etc/init.conf | 20:11 |
| jonni | there is also a way to disable malf from happening, but for that you need tcb capability first :) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | 72% WTF | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Eclipse has launched a website for a new JVM language, called Xtend. It's built with Eclipse's Xtext and compiles directly to Java code! | 20:15 |
| * RST38h takes time to throw up | 20:15 | |
| KRF | jonni: is it possible to get that flasher.exe from a trustworthy source? | 20:25 |
| KRF | is it contained here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ ? | 20:25 |
| KRF | (admittedly, i'm not too fond of installing stuff from a "flasher.exe" from a russian blog) ;) | 20:27 |
| jonni | KRF: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 20:29 |
| jonni | 3.12 should be in there atleast | 20:30 |
| KRF | awww... no win64 | 20:30 |
| jonni | try 32bit :) | 20:32 |
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| faenil | evening people :) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: anyway, H-E-N9 hw reference device | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | from Quim | 20:38 |
| faenil | yey! | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (also supposed to be available to check generic questions relating hw) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (as e.g. "does it have FMTX?") | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FSCK, Timezone Setting "Germany", not "Deutschland" - i.e. all country names are in english :-( | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | index scrolling frequently freezes on a letter | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | language selection is each country in its original name ("Francais" "Deutsch" "Espanol"), alas language setting is third in first-boot wizard, first is "Time", 2nd "Date" | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, introduction suggests to swipe to the 3 views by any of from l/r/u/d but actually only accepts from right to left :-P | 20:55 |
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| KRF | jonni: http://pastebin.com/ub0rM1bR :/ | 21:34 |
| KRF | <- sad panda | 21:34 |
| rzr | http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/2011/10/20/unbricking-n9/ | 21:40 |
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| KRF | rzr: i think the image is too old for my device. i need PR_009 | 21:45 |
| KRF | (but just found it by using the PR_001 link and adjusting the image name) | 21:46 |
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| Venemo | hey | 22:00 |
| Venemo | jonni, I'm back | 22:00 |
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| jonni | KRF: ah yes, if you had 009 region then you need 009 image | 22:15 |
| dang_ | does anyone know why the n9 email client is only using the email address in From: and not the actual name? is it possible to change this? | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | This place is littered with N9 ads | 22:17 |
| dang_ | hmm? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | At least Nokia Russia is acting as if N9 were its flagship device | 22:18 |
| Venemo | RST38h :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | whoever said N9 wasn't going to receive a lot of ad money was an idiot :P | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: prolly depends on the location | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, location matters | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't work to advertise in areas that doesn't get it | 22:18 |
| RST38h | But I have seen and handled the actual N9 and it does rule | 22:18 |
| RST38h | More sturdid version of N950 with the display taken from E7 | 22:19 |
| Venemo | jonni, I pushed a workaround for the bug which is simply to not use the Harmattan Qt Components. | 22:19 |
| frals | Stockholm metro is full of N9 ads <3 | 22:23 |
| frals | e.g. https://twitter.com/#!/frals/status/132887822653849600 | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | frals: well, they do have do somehow have a financial return on all the meego devices sauna parties :P | 22:25 |
| messerting | frals: I was surprised to see a lot of N9 adds in Norway as well a couple of weeks back | 22:29 |
| Venemo | the N9 ads in here look pretty stupid | 22:31 |
| messerting | Anyone knows if it is possible to have calendar events/todos shown in the status screen in N9 PR1.1 or PR1.2? | 22:32 |
| messerting | Or better yet - can I hack my way for that myself? | 22:33 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | we should all get together and pool our money together and make an N9 ad | 22:40 |
| Sazpaimon__ | the problem with most nokia ads is that they're so impersonal | 22:40 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | they all showcase the device, and not so much how the device affects your daily life | 22:41 |
| messerting | Sazpaimon__: Yep, we should show some nice video telephony and awesome DLNA support. /rant | 22:43 |
| Sazpaimon__ | sorry this isnt an N900 commercial | 22:45 |
| Venemo | XD | 22:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | but yeah all nokia commercials now are just renders of a phone on a static color | 22:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | backdrop | 22:46 |
| Sazpaimon__ | no feeling | 22:47 |
| Venemo | well, N9 is not bad. | 22:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | all other companies do commercials where they show how the phone is used in their daily lives | 22:49 |
| Venemo | but methinks N9 is no match for the N950 | 22:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | take the new siri commercial for the iphone 4 | 22:49 |
| Sazpaimon__ | iphone 4 sucks, but the commercials make it look appealing on a personal level | 22:49 |
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| Sazpaimon__ | because it shows people actually USING the phone | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | AMOLED is so friggin nice - in standby mode. I can see why N9 has no decent indicator LED | 22:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i would kill for a sleeping screen port though | 22:50 |
| Sazpaimon__ | probably will never happen though | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | which makes me think if N950 ever was meant to be more than N9's brother on steroids | 22:51 |
| Sazpaimon__ | more like N950n was meant to be E7's brother on steroids | 22:52 |
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| Venemo | well, it has a larger screen | 22:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | or brother from another mother techically | 22:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | *technically | 22:52 |
| Venemo | I have a complaint though | 22:52 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i cant have one? | 22:52 |
| Venemo | why does Nokia think that I don't want to know the time while I'm listening to music??? | 22:53 |
| Venemo | srsly. when I go to the lock screen, it shows the title of the song in the place of the time. | 22:53 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i had a legitimate commerical reason to have an N950 from the company i worked at | 22:53 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i put in a request and it was never answered | 22:53 |
| Venemo | when I swipe, I get into the music app - still don't see the time. | 22:53 |
| Sazpaimon__ | a week later, they run out of N950s | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | who said N9 had a convex touchscreen? I can't really see that | 22:54 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i can see it on the edges | 22:54 |
| Sazpaimon__ | but its much more pronounced in their renders | 22:54 |
| Sazpaimon__ | the lumia 800 got a review on engadget | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, the touchpanel is maybe minimally rounded edges, yeah. So is N950 tp. The AMOLED screen though seems rather plane to me | 22:56 |
| Sazpaimon__ | I think they gave the N9 a better review imo | 22:56 |
| Sazpaimon__ | i dont know, they seem to be doing something to make it seem like the icons are floating on the glass | 22:57 |
| Sazpaimon__ | and i dont think thats all amoled | 22:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how long that AMOLED will live until "dead" (aka down to 50% brightness due to chemical degradation alias oxidation of the organic material) | 22:59 | |
| Venemo | who cares? | 23:00 |
| Venemo | LCD in my N950 will live forever!!! | 23:00 |
| Venemo | won't it? :P | 23:03 |
| Corsac | ok so the last bug in ASSI state is date from august 15 | 23:03 |
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| zchydem | Hi, I have boosted harmattan QML project, but for some reason the line "viewer->rootContext()->setContextProperty("nfcManager", &manager);" doesn't really expose the interface to the QML side. Is this prevented some how in harmattan/boosted? | 23:13 |
| Venemo | zchydem, worksforme | 23:13 |
| Venemo | zchydem, see https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/blobs/master/main.cpp | 23:14 |
| zchydem | Venemo: Works for me to in other project, but not in this new project | 23:14 |
| zchydem | Venemo: I'll check it out | 23:14 |
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| Venemo | zchydem, well, I don't think I'm doing anything special there | 23:15 |
| zchydem | Venemo: the only difference between my new project and your and mine old projects is that QML files are in the resources | 23:16 |
| zchydem | I should try to put them to resource file | 23:16 |
| Venemo | zchydem, hmmm, that may just be the solution :) | 23:17 |
| zchydem | might be | 23:17 |
| zchydem | I'll try that one | 23:17 |
| Venemo | I can't imagine why anyone would not want to put their QMLs into a resource file | 23:18 |
| zchydem | Well, by default the project template doesn't create a resource file | 23:20 |
| zchydem | but for the final distribution I prefer that | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: Why should I bother? | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: What's the benefit for an OSS app? | 23:22 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, what's the benefit of not doing it? | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: It's less work; because - as zchydem says - it's not the default. | 23:25 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: It also allows on-device hackery on Fremantle & Harmattan; but let's assume that's an edge-case | 23:25 |
| Venemo | Jaffa, well, I haven't made a default project since ages, but first time I made a "Harmattan project" in Qt Creator, this was the default. | 23:25 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: So, to do it, you'd have to justify to me why I'd go and hunt down what to do, when what I've already got Just Works | 23:26 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: OK, so the real argument is "stick with the default" - which for my apps recently has been no-QRCs (for whatever reason) | 23:26 |
| Venemo | hmm | 23:26 |
| Venemo | maybe they changed the default? | 23:26 |
| Venemo | I'm not sur | 23:26 |
| Venemo | well if it works for you, have it your way :) | 23:27 |
| Jaffa | Maybe. Maybe I selected something other than "Harmattan project" | 23:27 |
| * Jaffa was just awaiting some stunning argument since you said "can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to" ;-) | 23:27 | |
| Venemo | heh | 23:27 |
| Venemo | well, I would hate if a simple user could bug with my .qml files. that's why I prefer embedding them into my executables. | 23:28 |
| Venemo | but for me, this was the default too. | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: Presumably, Aegis stops it. Anyway, makes it easier for them to start hacking & submit patches :-) | 23:28 |
| Venemo | well, I wouldn't trust Aegis to do anything. | 23:29 |
| Venemo | in any case. | 23:29 |
| Venemo | I'm sooo happy - yesterday I discovered that "Developer mode" in 39-5 works as you would expect it to work | 23:29 |
| Venemo | it allows me to run arbitrary binaries on my N950 without needing any hacks. | 23:31 |
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