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| * Arkenoi tried playing pretty generic wmv and mkv on n950 and it failed.. no truly exotic codecs, something widespread enough.. | 00:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no luck with streaming pretty standard internet TV (www.3sat.de/nano) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | also wmv iirc | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?mode=search&red=nano&more=aktuell&query_filter=1ganze Sendung&query=* | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?mode=prefs | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Einstellungen" lower right | 00:29 |
| lilltiger | Arkenoi: I tried VLC on my N9 and it could play rared files, havent tried any exotic codec with it yet thought | 00:49 |
| lilltiger | so "soon" we might have a real vidio player for the N9 | 00:49 |
| lilltiger | video | 00:50 |
| lilltiger | Althought I would like to see anyone trying to compile XBMC for it as well :p | 00:50 |
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| jabis | DocScrutinizer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=33794&postcount=115 | 00:57 |
| jabis | f0und it :) | 00:58 |
| jabis | I also confirmed the kernel build is the same | 01:00 |
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| npm | how does one turn off the autosuggestion in qml textedit element? | 07:06 |
| npm | or rather if user clicks "accept" how can i get the text the user typed (it comes out missing unless you move cursor and add space to end of text) | 07:07 |
| Scifig | Did anyone port duplicity to harmattan? | 07:11 |
| iekku | morning | 07:42 |
| dm8tbr | mrnng | 07:42 |
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| Stecchino | anyone know how to send a Nokia store link to someone? | 08:40 |
| Stecchino | a click to install type thing | 08:40 |
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| Stecchino | found it's possible from store.nokia.com | 08:58 |
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| cityLights | ok, I am here now | 09:59 |
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| matrixx | hi, is gtalk account configuration working fine for you guys? | 12:02 |
| matrixx | when I configure my account it seems to go well, but when I try to change my presence online it says wrong password | 12:02 |
| matrixx | and I'm confident I didn't typo my pw, and also tried removing the account config and creating it again a few times --> no help | 12:03 |
| matrixx | I'm on PR 1.1 | 12:03 |
| elpuri | yeah i had the same when trying to configure gmail | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: Click on 'online' again. | 12:04 |
| elpuri | i suppose it uses the same authentication | 12:04 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: I've tried to click many times | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: After one or 2 times you see it works. | 12:04 |
| Hq` | it does that sometimes but works after retrying | 12:04 |
| matrixx | hmm, maybe I just keep on trying then :) | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | It is a known bug at least. | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | Main cause is that connection errors get reported as wrong password. | 12:05 |
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| matrixx | ah ok, 10 times, no luck | 12:05 |
| matrixx | maybe another 10 then :D | 12:05 |
| hiemanshu | matrixx: do you have 2 step auth setup for you? | 12:07 |
| matrixx | I don't think so | 12:07 |
| Hq` | try with a different network connection too | 12:07 |
| matrixx | hiemanshu: where can I see if I have or not? | 12:08 |
| matrixx | I don't have gmail configured, only thing I've been using is google docs so far | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | matrixx: when you log in via browser does it text your or email you an id? | 12:09 |
| matrixx | ah, and google+ | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | err | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | matrixx: when you log in via browser does it text you or voice call you a temp password | 12:09 |
| matrixx | hiemanshu: no it doesn't, just tried out the web client | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | no idea wtf I was thinking | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | then its not the 2 step auth | 12:10 |
| matrixx | ok | 12:11 |
| matrixx | Hq`: tried now wlan and 3g, both failed | 12:11 |
| matrixx | I think I'll just give up and wait for 3rd party client :D | 12:12 |
| matrixx | it's likely to come before fixing update | 12:12 |
| hiemanshu | for some odd reason everything worked for me in the first try :D | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | ovi, twitter and what not issues people had, all of it worked just fine for me :P | 12:13 |
| matrixx | I also had luck with the ota update | 12:14 |
| matrixx | got it right first time | 12:14 |
| matrixx | gtalk is the first one failing for me | 12:14 |
| hiemanshu | *touchwood* WFM :D | 12:14 |
| matrixx | :D | 12:14 |
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| razvanpetru | hey everyone | 12:26 |
| razvanpetru | any ftp clients yet? nothing on ovi... except a cmd line one and I can't install that on non-technical person's phones :) | 12:26 |
| razvanpetru | in fact... how can I access maemo-like repositories for n9? | 12:28 |
| flux | razvanpetru, there is lftp, is there not? | 12:28 |
| flux | however, for some reason the battery usage tool indicated that it consumed cpu while I was not running it (nothing it top) so I removed it (rather than debugged why bu would think that ;)) | 12:29 |
| flux | (perhaps it used cpu extensively while running) | 12:29 |
| razvanpetru | thanks, will check it | 12:31 |
| razvanpetru | I don't think my wife can use lftp though, she needs something like a file browser with an UI :D | 12:33 |
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| flux | oh, I just skipped over your second part of the sentence 8-) | 12:36 |
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| nibbler | meh. | 13:30 |
| nibbler | trying to OCFlash 39-5 to my RM680 but the OCF keeps looping in "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" | 13:31 |
| nibbler | it has already 39-5, but i fear i broke a few bits. thusly i'd like to re-flash it into mint condition before trying anything else. | 13:33 |
| Kaadlajk | nibbler: Arkenoi had the same problem | 13:33 |
| Kaadlajk | not sure if he manages to solve it | 13:33 |
| Kaadlajk | managed | 13:33 |
| Kaadlajk | * | 13:33 |
| jabis | morning/gday/evenings to y'all | 13:36 |
| Arkenoi | blacklisted cdc_phonet kernel module | 13:37 |
| Arkenoi | but got bricked before that (damn module grabbed the USB interface between two phases of flashing) | 13:38 |
| Arkenoi | so spent two days shitting bircks and finally made my way with emergency charging and coldflashing, thanks to helping #harmattan people | 13:39 |
| nibbler | ouch. | 13:41 |
| Kaadlajk | once when I was flashing there was a blackout caused by lightning :P though that did not seem to cause any problems, device flashed normally after | 13:42 |
| nibbler | Arkenoi: so blacklisting cdc_phonet would be your suggestion? | 13:45 |
| RST38bis | Moo, gentlemen | 13:49 |
| RST38bis | Hey, Arkanoid, happy halloween | 13:49 |
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| RST38bis | Meanwhile, looks like Shuttleworth announced entering mobile platform race | 13:50 |
| razvanpetru | lol | 13:51 |
| * RST38bis prays to the Tentacled One to personally direct Shuttleworth's efforts at taking over mobile world. | 13:52 | |
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| razvanpetru | so what are they gonna do, take meego and run with it? | 13:53 |
| razvanpetru | because starting from scratch *again* sounds incredibly silly | 13:53 |
| RST38bis | They will take Ubuntu and run with it. | 13:53 |
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| RST38bis | Especially considering that embedded Ubuntu already exists (eg Linaro) | 13:54 |
| RST38bis | Nobody cares about Meego (and there are reasons to think nobody ever did) | 13:54 |
| razvanpetru | ok, then maemo6 | 13:54 |
| RST38bis | razvanpetru <-- is obviously new here | 13:55 |
| razvanpetru | true :) | 13:55 |
| razvanpetru | but as a customer, I'm tired of seing everyone build a mobile linux from scratch | 13:55 |
| razvanpetru | I can not comprehend how Linux on mobile phones is now worse than it was with maemo | 13:57 |
| razvanpetru | and meanwhile Intel is doing yet another mobile Linux, Ubuntu will probably try to make something work on phones... | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | razvanpetru: ++ | 13:59 |
| * RST38bis yawns at razvanpetru, showing fangs | 14:01 | |
| chouchoune | razvanpetru: yet another Linux for phones is not a problem ! | 14:03 |
| chouchoune | the more platforms you will have, the more work will be done on upstream components ! | 14:03 |
| razvanpetru | :D | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, *tha* is true | 14:04 |
| chouchoune | it's just like the desktop Linux story ... There are many distributions, contributing to the same components and integrating them | 14:04 |
| chouchoune | providing alternatives, and alternatives are good for tinovation | 14:05 |
| razvanpetru | well yeah, but at least on desktop you can actually use the thing on the desktop :) | 14:05 |
| razvanpetru | on mobile I can use what? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could live with one or two less ;-P | 14:05 |
| chouchoune | DocScrutinizer: you could, but what would be the advantage of having one or two distros less ? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no moe Shuttleworth around | 14:06 |
| chouchoune | haha | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no more friggin buntkuh | 14:06 |
| * RST38bis sighs and points out that of all people and organizations Ubuntu has the best chances of producing a *workable* mobile Linux | 14:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | one distro less raping good linux into a mess | 14:07 |
| chouchoune | anyway, Ubuntu investing mobile and tabket development is great | 14:07 |
| RST38bis | That people would *use* | 14:07 |
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| RST38bis | So, Doc, you can shit all over Shuttleworth, but look at the current alternatives and objectively assert how likely they are to succeed. | 14:07 |
| chouchoune | let's hope it involves Qt in the story ;) | 14:07 |
| RST38bis | For all I know, Unity is written in Qt | 14:08 |
| razvanpetru | it is | 14:08 |
| RST38bis | So, Qt will most likely be included | 14:08 |
| chouchoune | Unity2D yes | 14:08 |
| radiofree | unity 2d is | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | on embedded? ZERO | 14:08 |
| chouchoune | not Unity itself | 14:08 |
| RST38bis | Doc: Good, at least you are honest with yourself | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for andridiot obviously | 14:08 |
| chouchoune | but ARM build of Ubuntu has Unity 2D I think | 14:08 |
| chouchoune | and not the "real" Unity | 14:08 |
| RST38bis | Doc: Now, Shuttleworth has the best chances of all | 14:09 |
| RST38bis | Doc: He has got money, reputation in the business, and willingness to see this project all the way to the end | 14:09 |
| RST38bis | Doc: Yes, his choices in distro compilation are...mhm... eclectic at best | 14:09 |
| RST38bis | Doc: But at least he is not employing Lennart! =) | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 14:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to love shuttleworth | 14:10 | |
| razvanpetru | +1 persuasion | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38bis: I'm not sure about the first part. Seems to me buntkuh actively invents new shit as well | 14:16 |
| RST38bis | Sometimes, yes, like with Unity | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm mistaken, as I never touch that crap | 14:16 |
| RST38bis | But given what gnomes have done with their own desktop, can you really blame Ubuntu people? :) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually no | 14:17 |
| decibyte | hey, what's wrong with inventing new stuff? | 14:17 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: Has to be useful or at least better than the current stuff | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all (NB I also don't tough things with an initial "g" in their name ;-P) | 14:17 |
| dm8tbr | ubuntu and embedded? I don't see that going anywhere... | 14:17 |
| RST38bis | Most stuff being invented nowadays severely lacks in both departments | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | touch* | 14:18 |
| RST38bis | dm8tbr: already there (Panda boards) | 14:18 |
| dm8tbr | RST38bis: sure, I can also put an elephant on an fiat panda, won't make much more sense... | 14:18 |
| decibyte | RST38bis: well... but shouldn't you be allowed to try something out and fail? | 14:18 |
| RST38bis | dm8tbr: Meego is Redhat | 14:18 |
| RST38bis | dm8tbr: A server OS placed into embedded context | 14:19 |
| dm8tbr | now you're trolling | 14:19 |
| RST38bis | dm8tbr: So, how is Ubuntu worse than that? | 14:19 |
| * RST38bis will tell you when he is trolling | 14:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 14:19 |
| dm8tbr | meego is not deadrat, never was | 14:19 |
| RST38bis | really, dm8tbr? :) | 14:19 |
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| decibyte | oh, and the definition of "better" - isn't that very subjective? and one of the strengths of free software, that anyone can (and is allowed to) invent new stuff that may seem better (only) to them? | 14:24 |
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| RST38bis | decibyte: No problem with that. Now, forcing their own stuff onto other people by using their leverage inside companies like Redhat, that is what I do not like | 14:26 |
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| decibyte | noone is forced by canonical to use unity. they actually encourage diversity. that's why it's so easy to install gnome shell, switch to kubuntu, etc. | 14:27 |
| flux | well, I was unpleasantly surprised that gnome-session apparently no longer supports custom window manager (environment variable WINDOW_MANAGER) | 14:29 |
| flux | unpleasantly perhaps because I run debian unstable and one day my login no entered sawfish with gnome-pnanel but rather unity, so I'm partially to blame as well ;) | 14:29 |
| * RST38bis has not been talking about Unity in this particular example | 14:29 | |
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| decibyte | RST38bis: somebody did. i guess the same applies for all other "own invented" stuff by others too. the freedom is there. don't hate them for bundling it as the default. | 14:30 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: this is mostly talk | 14:31 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: In reality, you are going to be using whatever Redhat, Canonical, SuSE decide you should be using | 14:31 |
| flux | I can easily understand people that think removing features in new versions is one way of forcing their way. of course, we are free to use something else if we want. | 14:31 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: They have standardized on PulseAudio - and now everyone is using PulseAudio | 14:31 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: They are using DBus - and now your "netstat -a" is littered with hundreds of entries | 14:32 |
| RST38bis | decibyte: and so forth. Gnomes are now doing away with desktop metaphor, so I guess we will all have to either suffer through their mediacenter-like menu or switch to xfce | 14:34 |
| decibyte | RST38bis: i don't agree. in reality you are free to do whatever you wan't. although it may require a some work from you. anyways, you are obviously a lot more into what's going on deep inside the system than i am. | 14:34 |
| flux | both pulseaudio and dbus solve some problems developers feel they need to get solved | 14:34 |
| RST38bis | Whether you agree or do not agree is unimportant, actually | 14:35 |
| RST38bis | flux: problems that have been previously solved with much less overhead. | 14:35 |
| flux | rst38bis, so is the overhead now a problem? | 14:35 |
| RST38bis | it is, among other problems | 14:35 |
| RST38bis | flux: Is this where you are going to tell me to look into the code and fix it, Luke? =) | 14:36 |
| flux | I've found it nice to be able to have application-specific persistent volume controls | 14:36 |
| flux | rst38bis, well, talking about fixing, the ability to follow dbus traffic is pretty nice | 14:36 |
| flux | rst38bis, you can't do that with unix domain sockets | 14:36 |
| flux | and you can also get a pretty good idea what the message is | 14:36 |
| flux | instead of applications just pushing their binary-structs around | 14:36 |
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| * RST38bis remembers how ArtS pushed audio over DBus, even had a separate DBus protocol specification for audio at one time, and how it ended for ArtS | 14:45 | |
| RST38bis | Having long memory is really a disadvantage... | 14:45 |
| jabis | having a long and selective memory is an advantage ;) | 14:50 |
| flux | rst38bis, so, there are cases when dbus is not suitable. not really surprising. | 14:51 |
| flux | sounds almost as good an idea as pushing audio over the X11 protocol. | 14:52 |
| flux | or graphics for that matter. and nowadays we have MITSHM and GLX.. | 14:52 |
| flux | but I wonder what would be a protocol better than dbus for telling that I would like to activate screensaver | 14:53 |
| flux | custom protocol for every application is the best way to go? | 14:53 |
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| jreznik | and now, let's expose everything on qmf :) | 14:57 |
| * RST38bis sighs at flux: you are new here... | 14:58 | |
| * jreznik wonders how all irc channels he's on are becoming more and more cynical ones :) | 15:01 | |
| jabis | meh | 15:02 |
| RST38bis | flux: So, as general education: 1) MITSHM has been known at least since 1993 (prolly earlier) 2) Sun tried networked audio with their X11 "thin clients" in the 90s 3) GLX has nothing to do with 2D graphics, it controls OpenGL integration with X11 4) X11 already provides means for interclient communications | 15:04 |
| RST38bis | flux: I hope you see what I have meant by having long memory now =) | 15:05 |
| matrixx | a little poll, if an app needs to do a reboot to work properly, would you like it to: 1) warn about it rebooting before the app does it, or 2) prompt user to reboot the phone to make everything work correctly? | 15:05 |
| flux | rst38bis, actually I meant DRI when I said GLX, so I give you that. and while DRI implies GL, it also is the most highly-performing 2d api available for X. | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | matrixx: prompt, and ask reboot now? | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | matrixx: With if launched before reboot, say 'reboot stupid' | 15:06 |
| RST38bis | flux: Nice. Hence 5) There is also /dev/fb0 letting you directly access the 2D frame buffer | 15:07 |
| matrixx | SpeedEvil: heh, it's just about if users want app to reboot their phone or not | 15:07 |
| RST38bis | *and* there is a virtual framebuffers infrastructure in Linux letting multiple people open /dev/fb0 | 15:07 |
| flux | rst38bis, who would use 2d frame buffer when you can have hardware acceleration? | 15:07 |
| matrixx | I would myself prefer number two, and do the reboot myself later, when I've finished all my current actions | 15:08 |
| flux | well, unless you're in a platform that can accelerate drawing into anywhere in the memory | 15:08 |
| RST38bis | Hardware acceleration for *what*? Modern hardware does not accelerate 2D stuff, hence the manic switch to GL/GLES by many toolkit authors | 15:08 |
| flux | and obviously they -are- doing 2D even if the interface allows to do 3D | 15:09 |
| matrixx | I'm not actually sure can I make an app reboot the phone cause it's run as a user :D | 15:09 |
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| RST38bis | But I guess that to do it "the Unix way" you would have /dev/fb0 ioctl()s perform acceleration functions | 15:09 |
| flux | rst38bis, and you would have multiple buffers for textures (for example fonts) etc, a DRM is a necessity at some point | 15:10 |
| RST38bis | flux: Well...not really. They are still doing 3D, just bonk it all into the same plane | 15:10 |
| flux | 2D is a pure subset of 3D | 15:10 |
| RST38bis | DRM? What DRM? | 15:10 |
| flux | direct rendering manager | 15:10 |
| * RST38bis has no idea how flux has got to DRM in this conversation | 15:11 | |
| flux | I mentioned DRI did I not? | 15:11 |
| RST38bis | But accelerated 2D hardware had its own textures, known as sprites | 15:11 |
| flux | and if you -are- doing hardware accelation, you don't really want to be mesing with the direct frame buffer anymore | 15:11 |
| flux | sprites are typically considered as moving objects, not something you can stamp in and leave there? | 15:12 |
| RST38bis | nah | 15:12 |
| jabis | matrixx: /etc/init.d/minireboot ? | 15:12 |
| flux | matrixx, there is an Ovi store app that does reboot the device for 1 EUR :-) | 15:13 |
| flux | well, claims to do that at least | 15:13 |
| clbr | flux: per reboot or per app? ;-) | 15:13 |
| flux | now that's a great idea, my way of getting rich :) | 15:13 |
| RST38bis | To make long story short: "3D acceleration" of 2D graphics is not always the most efficient way to do things, and it is also very complicated and hardly portable, so it is too early to disregard good old frame buffer access | 15:14 |
| flux | rst38bis, I guess you have noticed that N9 uses almost exclusively DRI to do its drawing, though | 15:14 |
| matrixx | jabis: thanks, I'll look into that | 15:14 |
| RST38bis | But you can continue believing it is the real step forward, of course, even although the original 3D hw designers never considered it such | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially given the ridonkulous speed ov CPUs. | 15:14 |
| flux | rst38bis, and the N9 interface isn't really 3d | 15:15 |
| RST38bis | and that is supposed to prove what? | 15:15 |
| flux | maybe they should've used frame buffer directly from applications, because it would be better performing then? | 15:15 |
| matrixx | flux: hehe, I was also thinking that reboot app would be useful, didn't know there already was one :D | 15:15 |
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| matrixx | flux: though this one I'm working on which needs reboot is not reboot app :) | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | A gigahertz - divided by the pixel-count of most phone displays is >500 | 15:15 |
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| flux | rst38bis, things like vertex shaders are very useful when dealing with 2d | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | This indicates that perhaps 2D accel is less important than it used to be. | 15:15 |
| RST38bis | yes, for N9 in particular, using direct frame buffer access will yield performance boost, at least for my apps | 15:15 |
| flux | how do you get direct frame buffer access in N9? | 15:16 |
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| RST38bis | mostly because N9's 3D hardware does not support memory-mapped textures and uploading a texture to it is expensive | 15:16 |
| RST38bis | flux: open("/dev/fb0",O_RDWR)? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38bis: What ar eyour apps? | 15:16 |
| flux | rst38bis, so you are in the video group? | 15:16 |
| flux | rst38bis, or you run the application as root? | 15:16 |
| * RST38bis wonders if he should continue sighing | 15:17 | |
| flux | I mean, on N9 the /dev/fb0-devices are 660 root:video | 15:17 |
| RST38bis | SpeedEvil: http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Garage%20Research/ | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38bis: Ah. | 15:18 |
| flux | rst38bis, hey, I like AlmostTI, but you shuold make it store/restore the state on exit/start :) | 15:19 |
| flux | (like on N900, I guess that's on TOD) | 15:19 |
| flux | O | 15:19 |
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| flux | oh, I hadn't noticed that the user is actually in the video group already :) | 15:30 |
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| flux | and apparently at least the gallery application uses /deb/fb2 when it's playing back video | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | gst-omapfb | 15:33 |
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| till | Heya folks, my shiny new 950 wanted to do an OS upgrade, I had it plugged into USB while it was doing that, but it's been sitting there saying "Nokia" for 30 minutes now. Looks like something went awry. Any ideas? | 15:41 |
| RST38bis | till: that is ok | 15:52 |
| RST38bis | Wait more. | 15:52 |
| till | How long, roughly? | 15:55 |
| RST38bis | another 30 minutes before you do cpr on it | 15:57 |
| till | Ok. Is there a wiki page on the CPR somewhere, should it be needed? | 15:57 |
| RST38bis | google? | 15:57 |
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| till | Still nothing, I think it's dead. | 16:29 |
| till | The interwebs say to use the quick erase flasher? | 16:29 |
| thp | Jaffa: there's a warning on the start page of mwkn.net: Warning: readfile(../../2011/44/.name) [function.readfile]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in [...] | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | thp: Ooh, not good. | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | thp: Thanks | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Fixed. Cause by the partial creation of this week's issue. | 16:34 |
| hardaker | dear world: please write a decent harmattan email app. Thanks, me. | 16:36 |
| Arkenoi | compared to modest it is more than decent | 16:36 |
| hardaker | fennex? | 16:36 |
| hardaker | no... no, it really isn't. | 16:36 |
| toninikkanen | well at least the one in harmattan doesn't get stuck forever trying to update a big IMAP inbox... a first for Nokia | 16:36 |
| hardaker | Yes it does! | 16:37 |
| hardaker | I just had it lock me out while it downloaded a whole 10 messages or so. | 16:37 |
| toninikkanen | mine handles an inbox with ~33k messages "ok", not great, but "ok" | 16:37 |
| hardaker | from a server *in the room* | 16:37 |
| toninikkanen | compared to all the versions they ever did for symbian, they were always stuck in an unkillable superjam | 16:37 |
| toninikkanen | still, it's not that great, it's just less worse than anything they ever put out before | 16:38 |
| hardaker | I sort mail into 60+ mailboxes on the server side and fennex won't even remember my "favorites" folders from one run to the next. | 16:38 |
| hardaker | (and don't get me started on the missing "identities" idea) | 16:38 |
| toninikkanen | for me the mail program didn't understand what my "inbox" was called on the server | 16:41 |
| toninikkanen | so i had to shortcut it | 16:41 |
| till | hardaker: we're busy making sure Kontact Touch runs well on the N950 and N9. Packages should land soon :). | 16:42 |
| hardaker | toninikkanen: that's also it: I have my INBOX (the imap default) empty by default. Because if anything ends up there it's a signal that my mail filtering is very broken as it fell into the last rule that should never get hit. | 16:43 |
| hardaker | till: very cool. I tried one of the very early alphas on the n900... it looked like a start, but at that time was unusable. I take it a lot more work has gone into it lately? that'd be awesome. | 16:43 |
| toninikkanen | i get everything into my inbox on purpose and but the mail program can't access it unless I tell it to access a folder called "INBOX"; no other client needs to set that | 16:44 |
| till | hardaker: yes, it runs really well on the N950, but we have some packaging work to do still, mostly around gpg. | 16:45 |
| toninikkanen | what is good about the mail program is that it also accesses the company exchange; i guess if I installed another program, I would need to use 2 programs for 2 different mailboxes | 16:46 |
| hardaker | till: very cool; want a beta tester (I don't care about package quality)? | 16:47 |
| hardaker | (well, that's not true: i *do* care, but...) | 16:47 |
| * Arkenoi wants email client with gpg support :-( | 16:50 | |
| * hardaker wants an email client with email support! | 16:51 | |
| hardaker | I need to finish my port of my imap mailbox watcher... | 16:52 |
| hardaker | (which I run on every other platform *but* the n950 because of the need to port to qml) | 16:52 |
| hardaker | and there are no tables in qml (sigh). | 16:52 |
| hardaker | though i've worked mostly around that. | 16:52 |
| pcfe | hardaker: your server does not support IMAP IDLE? | 16:54 |
| pcfe | or is there bugginess I have not yet experienced in the harmattan IDLE iomplementation? | 16:54 |
| hardaker | pcfe: yep. | 16:56 |
| hardaker | but note that IDLE requires a single connection per mail box (because almost nothing supports MULTIDLE) | 16:56 |
| hardaker | pcfe: when you need to watch 30 mail boxes, IDLE won't cut it. | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: At least Modest could do proper quoting | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | Of course, without proper cursor keys, highlighting & editing text on an N9 is a damend pain | 16:57 |
| * hardaker runs away far 30 | 16:57 | |
| pcfe | hardaker: is _seems_ I have at least one server that does. But yes, multimple mailboxes is a problem with many servers | 16:57 |
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| pcfe | personally, I miss claws-mail on the N9, and without a keyboard and with the tiny UI elements, operating that with a capacitive screen is probably going to be impossible anyway | 16:58 |
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| Arkenoi | Jaffa: FOUR clicks to get into mailbox was a disaster | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: Four? I count two (from memory), or 3 if you include starting the app. Have you tried the new CSSU treeview mode | 17:03 |
| clbr | someone here using the harmattan SIP-client heavily and having an always-good call quality? which router/access model are you using? | 17:04 |
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| Arkenoi | jaffa: you probably do not use "nokia messaging" | 17:11 |
| Arkenoi | the interface is pure nonsense | 17:11 |
| Arkenoi | first i need to select transport | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: No - I try and avoid Nokia's "value add" services ;-) | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | Arkenoi: Ah | 17:11 |
| Arkenoi | \why the hell should i care about transport at all and to have to organize my mailboxes according to it? | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | and there was sticky mfe mail account | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | i did not have mail in mfe, i used it for calendar and contacts sync only | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | but stupid mailbox just did not go away | 17:12 |
| Arkenoi | then i enter the list of accounts | 17:13 |
| Arkenoi | and then i have to select the mailbox! | 17:13 |
| Arkenoi | though all i really need is to get _directly_ to inbox in one click and to have a menu that lets me use other folders | 17:14 |
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| khertan | if someone have an idea to implement syntax highlighting in a qml textedit ... i m hearing you ... | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | we've moved on to a higher existence, we now write our userinterfaces in 68000 assembly, emulated by a javascript engine written in cobol | 18:21 |
| khertan | Stskeeps: i ve tryed doing it in javascript with html5 | 18:22 |
| khertan | no more luck vkb not working | 18:22 |
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| alterego | Anyone get weird issues when logging in to twitter on the N9? | 18:31 |
| alterego | I'm getting "Check date & time settings" :/ | 18:31 |
| razvanpetru | :D | 18:32 |
| razvanpetru | which pr is this? 1.0 or 1.1? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Not sure, ang on | 18:32 |
| razvanpetru | pr 1.0 twitter is very buggy in general | 18:33 |
| alterego | 34-1_PR_))1 | 18:33 |
| alterego | PR_001 | 18:33 |
| alterego | I'm guessing PR1.0 ? | 18:33 |
| * alterego looks for NFC tags | 18:34 | |
| * gri has nfc tags but no clue what I could test :P | 18:34 | |
| alterego | :) | 18:34 |
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| alterego | Have to say, this is one sexy device. | 18:35 |
| alterego | Not sure if I want to put on the rubber condom. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | because you'd like to screw it gently? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:36 |
| alterego | :) | 18:36 |
| richmoore2 | he wants to see if he gets lots of little phones afterwards | 18:37 |
| alterego | Nokia N9 nanos :) | 18:37 |
| alterego | Those would be sweet. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the nokia featurephone strategy.. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:37 |
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| alterego | Great, sync with device has created duplicate entries for everyone -_-- | 18:38 |
| richmoore2 | i still haven't managed to get my calender syncing to the N9 from my N8 | 18:39 |
| richmoore2 | if anyone has any tips i'd appreciate it | 18:39 |
| richmoore2 | even a one-off copy would be fine | 18:39 |
| alterego | Ovi suite? ;) | 18:39 |
| richmoore2 | might work yeah, i've tried using bluetooth so far | 18:40 |
| * jreznik was playing with sync and it ended with two devices without contacts :D | 18:40 | |
| alterego | Hah | 18:40 |
| alterego | I think the only yime it's worked properly for me was N96 -> N900 | 18:40 |
| * gri has synced to ovi and no problems with two devices | 18:40 | |
| jreznik | fixed by syncing with zimbra | 18:41 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, can you explain how NMEA works, in a sentence? | 18:46 |
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| alterego | It's made out of sentences | 18:46 |
| alterego | sentence type then comma delimited fields. | 18:47 |
| alterego | Like: GGA,1,2,3,4,5,5,6,7,8 | 18:47 |
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| alterego | Great .. N9 not supported by my version of Ovi suite -_- | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, and they're sent out every 1s or what? | 18:48 |
| alterego | 2 seconds usually | 18:48 |
| alterego | And there are quite a few different sentences. | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is there a way to detect that a device is requesting NMEA data? | 18:48 |
| alterego | Has anyone got N9 working with Ovi suite? | 18:48 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no it's a passive protocol mainly. | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | Basically, my iPod connects to my N900 every now and then | 18:49 |
| alterego | Or do you mean if someone is connected to the bluetooth socket? | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'd like that GPS is fired then | 18:49 |
| alterego | Because that I could do (think it might even do that already). | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/ MohammadAG | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm thinking of making a small daemon | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | Columbus is a bit heavy on the battery to have always running | 18:50 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I was going to make one anyway. | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | the daemon would sit there, when a connection is made, fire GPS and start sending NMEA data | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, N900 or N950? | 18:51 |
| alterego | Both | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | oh cool | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | have it on my desk by tomorrow Tom | 18:51 |
| alterego | When I port to use connectivity API | 18:51 |
| alterego | pffft | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is bluez C only? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | (no C++ bindings) | 18:52 |
| alterego | indeed | 18:52 |
| alterego | The connectivity API is a C++ binding for it though ;) | 18:52 |
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| decibyte | has anybody heard of someone working on something squeezebox related for harmattan? | 19:15 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG:? | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | cityLights, ? | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, copying your code is easier than rewriting it :p | 19:35 |
| cityLights | well, when can I see your n950? | 19:37 |
| cityLights | btw, can I have a program tell me when to leave work and head down the stairs as my SO is picking me up? | 19:38 |
| cityLights | may i use google latitude for this? | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights, probably after I get it | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | SO? | 19:40 |
| cityLights | Sagnificant Other | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | iOS5 has something like that, would be nice on Harmattan really | 19:40 |
| cityLights | so usefull | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | it has both friends tracking and reminders based on location | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | we can do it, but 1) we need someone to write a privacy policy | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | 2) a server | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | 3) money for 2 | 19:41 |
| cityLights | use google latitude | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't work | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | in this sense | 19:42 |
| richmoore2 | ffs, now i have lots of duplicate contacts on my n8 and still no calender entries on my n9 :-( | 19:42 |
| richmoore2 | at least i backed up my n8 first, so i can get back to some form of sanity | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | you know, this can rival iOS | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | it can be used for find my phone | 19:45 |
| richmoore2 | mine will be flying through the air in a minute | 19:46 |
| richmoore2 | i'm going to the pub | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | screw you | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | made me choke on coke lol | 19:46 |
| richmoore2 | :-) | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | Anyone wanna do this project with me? | 19:47 |
| cityLights | me? | 19:49 |
| cityLights | will me off work soon | 19:49 |
| cityLights | I want my SO to keep using her android and latitude | 19:49 |
| cityLights | then my N900 will tell me when to close and go down | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | I need someone to do the server + sockets + JSON or whatever stuff | 19:50 |
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| cityLights | not me | 19:52 |
| cityLights | maybe zaher | 19:52 |
| cityLights | but he just left | 19:52 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, рун | 19:57 |
| ZogG | hey | 19:57 |
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| MohammadAG | yo | 20:01 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG so did you figured out with post office? i hate those bitches!!! | 20:26 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, and are you going to buy n9? | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, not sure | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | and no, it's customs | 20:26 |
| ZogG | i have this cool site i used to F up bezeqint =) | 20:27 |
| ZogG | after a week i got a call from the bezeq representer and got what i wanted, actually it was what i deserve | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the N950 can be remotely detonated | 20:29 |
| nibbler | meh. | 20:30 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, you shuld install prey =) | 20:30 |
| ZogG | btw does maemo has pey port? | 20:30 |
| ZogG | or meego? | 20:30 |
| nibbler | OCF-flashed the N950 to 39-5 and now ovi suite is telling me that it's not supported :( | 20:30 |
| ZogG | nibbler, MWHAHAHA | 20:31 |
| ZogG | at least you have n950 =( | 20:31 |
| nibbler | without contacts :( | 20:34 |
| ieatlint | i'll give you $46 and a bag of marbles for your n950 | 20:35 |
| nibbler | it's not mine. it's nokia's. i can't sell what i don't own. and even if... i'd never do that. | 20:35 |
| ZogG | i'll take ieatlint's $46 and nibbler's N950 =) | 20:35 |
| ieatlint | ok, i'll throw in a chicken | 20:36 |
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| blade_runner | someone is having this problem inside scratchbox : "/usr/bin/qmake: No such file or directory" | 21:13 |
| blade_runner | ? | 21:13 |
| blade_runner | the file exists, it seems a permission problem or some envvar is not being set | 21:14 |
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| blade_runner | restarting through sbox_ctl seems to solve the problem | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smurfy/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ Fahrplan | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1116382#post1116382 | 21:43 |
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| npm | Updated screenshots http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ | 22:08 |
| npm | anybody know what would cause double icon bug in harmattan apps picker ? -- my app icon appears twice, even though i only have one desktop file | 22:11 |
| npm | if i delete the app, both icons disappear. | 22:12 |
| npm | if i reinstall. both icons appear. | 22:12 |
| npm | it wasn't always this way... seems like something broke because the only app this is happening to is mine | 22:13 |
| npm | as if there's some cache of icons on the device that hasn't gotten cleared | 22:13 |
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| ieatlint | perhaps your .desktop file is incorrectly formatted? | 22:17 |
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| npm | hmm... one random thought .. because i see one icon appear immediately (perhaps a "meego desktop entry") then the second when installed... is that something went wrong w/ meego desktop entry ( http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Reference_documentation_Harmattan_Appendix_to_the_Debian_Policy_Manual.html ) | 22:30 |
| npm | The value is a Desktop Entry content, encoded like the Description field. This value is used when creating Desktop Entries for this package before the package is installed, for example to show download progress in the launcher. It should contain everything that is necessary to correctly display the entry in the launcher, but does not need to contain anything else, such as how to actually launch the application. | 22:30 |
| npm | might that be it?? | 22:31 |
| jesuschrist | guys does ovi suite support the n9 ? | 22:34 |
| hardaker | yes | 22:50 |
| jesuschrist | was that an answer to me hardaker? | 22:53 |
| hardaker | yep. | 22:53 |
| jesuschrist | got an n9 i cant make ovi to see it? | 22:53 |
| jesuschrist | hows that ? | 22:53 |
| hardaker | you mean you can't get the n9 to open the store app? | 22:54 |
| hardaker | or you can't get your browser on your computer to say you're using an n9? | 22:54 |
| jesuschrist | you know what is ovi suite ? | 22:54 |
| hardaker | oh. | 22:55 |
| hardaker | I misread your question, my bad. | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | -_-" | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | i have a old nokia | 22:55 |
| hardaker | but I've used ovi suite to connect to my n950 so it should be possible. | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | and i want to syncro | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | my contacts sms notes | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | with the n9 | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | so ovi supports n950 ? | 22:55 |
| jesuschrist | it says | 22:56 |
| jesuschrist | "your nokia n9 isnt in usb mode" | 22:57 |
| hardaker | I think so. But I'm not an expert, and I don't think it'll sync stuff properly though. | 22:57 |
| petteri | i synced contacs from old e50 with bluethoot, that was easy | 22:57 |
| jesuschrist | how did you do that petteri | 22:57 |
| jesuschrist | i have a e70 to sync with | 22:57 |
| jesuschrist | so quite similar | 22:58 |
| hardaker | you may want to read: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 | 22:58 |
| hardaker | though it's not specific to your phone, you'll get a lot of info from how to move from the n900 which is likely related. | 22:58 |
| jesuschrist | it says "unfortunaly your device isnt supported by n9" | 22:58 |
| jesuschrist | ahem | 22:58 |
| petteri | just picked sync with bluethoot from somewhere in the menus, don't remember where, but it was quite obvious to spot | 22:58 |
| jesuschrist | by ovi suite | 22:58 |
| jesuschrist | rly ? directly without passing from ovi petteri ? | 22:59 |
| jesuschrist | cool | 22:59 |
| petteri | just from phone to phone | 22:59 |
| jesuschrist | ill try it | 23:00 |
| Arkenoi | just noticed you cannot send a note via bt anymore in harmattan. sucks! | 23:01 |
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| jesuschrist | made it | 23:34 |
| jesuschrist | synced the sms | 23:34 |
| richmoore2 | i still haven't got my calender syncd. contacts and text messages were pretty easy though | 23:35 |
| jesuschrist | did you use pc suite too? | 23:36 |
| richmoore2 | no, just the bluetooth sync | 23:37 |
| richmoore2 | when i looked online it said the pc suite didn't support the n9 | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | ovi suite doesnt | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | pc suite does | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | how did you sync sms with bluetooth | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | i just found in the phone how to do | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | contacts notes | 23:37 |
| jesuschrist | not the sms | 23:38 |
| richmoore2 | Settings > Sync and backup > Sync | 23:38 |
| jesuschrist | i dont have any | 23:39 |
| jesuschrist | i dont have any sync and backup | 23:39 |
| jesuschrist | in the setting | 23:39 |
| jesuschrist | oh found it | 23:39 |
| richmoore2 | it's between security and accessories here | 23:39 |
| jesuschrist | pc suite works anyway | 23:40 |
| jesuschrist | you can send sms via pc | 23:40 |
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| djszapi | ~seen wazd | 23:41 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 11d 23h 59m 51s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. | 23:41 |
| jabis | even my LG 440 GT could sync with N9 - I wonder how you're in so much trouble with Nokia products X) | 23:42 |
| richmoore2 | me too :-( | 23:42 |
| jabis | LG had trouble importing shit from nokia, but outbound it was a charm - everything from gallery to calendar+sms+notes+contacts synced in a flash | 23:43 |
| jesuschrist | it doesnt sync with sms anyway in the setting you said rich | 23:43 |
| jesuschrist | just contacts abd bites | 23:43 |
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| djszapi | evening achipa :) | 23:44 |
| jabis | (LG tried to open an instance for every vcard sent to the device, which maxes out @10) | 23:44 |
| achipa | evening | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi achipa, long time no see | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 23:45 |
| achipa | heya | 23:46 |
| achipa | reinstalls can be... not funny :) :( | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Yup. | 23:47 |
| jabis | also they produce an uncanny amount of f*cksh*tg*ddamnit units | 23:51 |
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