IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-10-17

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npmartemma: is there a way of cc'ing a local copy of an email message to oneself, or a place where drafts are automatically saved (e.g. "fcc' feature folder carbon copy in some better mailers)00:06
npmi'm wondering cuz i use the platform emailer to send mail, and if i knew of a cc address, I could add that to the launch url00:06
npmsend mail by voice that is :-)00:07
artemmanpm: even if cc works this way, it would only help if mail is actually starts being sent :)00:07
npm( http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/voicetogoog-menu-view-3.png )00:07
artemmaI lost two mails already this way00:07
artemmaonce in Beta 1, once in Beta 200:07
artemmajust "error" and everything typed disappears00:07
artemmayou can of course manually save to drafts once in a while, but it needs going out of the mail editor00:08
npmheh nothing like posting to the interwebs to help you notice one of your icons (in unreleased software) is not transparent :-)00:08
npmdoh00:08
npmsuck icon anywayhs00:09
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sivanghi all02:21
sivangI am trying to make a project in QtCreator deploy/test to the N95002:21
sivangbut the only target I can add is "Rmote Complite"02:22
sivangerr02:22
sivang"Remote Compiler" - does anybody know hwo to take creato out of this odd state?02:22
sivang:)02:22
ieatlintyour toolchains be screwed02:25
ieatlintdid it used to work?02:25
sivangieatlint: yeah, I tried to upgrade last time though02:28
sivangieatlint: and I think I stopped it in the middle02:28
sivangieatlint: that was my suspiction but I hoped maybe it was something less deterministic ;)02:28
* sivang wonders if there's a bug in the SDK installer/ maintainance tool02:28
sivangthat is, if it is reported.02:28
ieatlintit is unwise to stop it :)02:29
ieatlinti suggest either scrapping your sdk folder entirely and starting over, or loading up the update/maintainance toold again and uninstalling/reinstalling stuff02:29
sivangieatlint:  I had to... bad bad bad Israeli internet has something against downloading from UK/EU sites02:30
sivangieatlint: I'd like to try and avoid the network access02:30
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sivangwell, downloading from anywhere != .IL02:30
sivang;)02:30
ieatlintgood luck02:30
sivanglol02:30
sivangieatlint: sounds like I'd need it :-p02:31
ieatlintif your toolchains are intact, take a look at the preferences in qtcreator02:31
sivangieatlint: okay, jsut to make sure am looking at the right palce, where do I look?02:31
ieatlintbut my guess is, if qtcreator can't see it, it's not there02:31
ieatlinttools -> options02:32
ieatlintthere are then two tabs, one labelled toolchains, the other qt402:32
ieatlintyour harmattan toolchain/libs will be in Madde/targets/02:33
ieatlintif there's not valid stuff in that dir, give up02:33
sivangieatlint: seems right, http://t.co/Rf7i4S1H02:36
ieatlintyeah, but make sure the maemo 6 toolchain is there, and that in the view where that screenshot was taken, you highlight the harmattan qt4, then select the "details" button in bottom-right, and verify the selected toolchain is maemo602:38
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sivangieatlint: maemo 6?02:47
* sivang tries02:47
ieatlintmaemo6 == harmattan02:47
sivangso look for harmattan?02:47
sivangI would think it'd be odd to have the mameo6 string in the naming or the folder names02:47
sivangah yes02:48
sivangfunny02:48
ieatlintwell, the sdk here has the build toolchain labelled maemo6 and the libs labelled harmattan02:48
sivangTool chain "Maemo 6 GCC" from the Madde dir , e.g. the sysroot dir02:48
ieatlintoh nice, there's an online backup service with an n900 client02:58
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* ieatlint wonders if it'd work on the n95002:59
sivangieatlint: I made it work somehow, I had to create a new project, something is screwed in the twitter example project03:01
sivangieatlint: I am thinking of killing the .pro file and starting fresh03:01
sivangthere are quite soem rough spots with latest version of creator03:02
sivangneed to report bug, reproduce03:02
ieatlintuh, kill the pro.user03:03
ieatlintbut what that means is you just needed to add a new target03:03
ieatlintload proejct in qtcreator, click on projects tab, click on the + symbol at the top next to "Remote Compiler" (or similar)03:04
sivangieatlint: I did that in that project, it only gave me to add "remote compiler"03:05
sivangieatlint: so perhaps there's a bug there..03:05
sivangieatlint: because I just built an example harmattan qt comp prject and tested it on the N95003:05
ieatlintdid you have to fix your toolchain/qt4 lib entries?03:05
sivangieatlint: no, I did a rebuild of the qml toolchain, or the "qml helpers"03:06
sivangwell, no a rebuild, they were not built03:06
* ieatlint shrugs03:06
sivangbut entries said "not needed".03:06
ieatlintwhatever, if you have it working, congrats03:06
sivangbrokenTexSubImage <- what's that?03:06
sivangMeegoGraphics ? :)03:07
* sivang lols at the console output03:07
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sivangieatlint: killed the .user file03:09
sivangieatlint: retrying, although the qmlproject files holds nothing but obvious things like including . and friends03:09
* sivang thinks this is an artifact of shado building or something03:11
ieatlintwait, it's a .qmlproj?03:11
ieatlintbecause that's not deployable..03:12
sivangyep and only that, in the Examples/4.7/Demos/Declerative/twitter there's the rest of stuff03:12
sivange.g. not just the qmlproject file03:12
sivangso i killled the .user file, reopened the project same issue03:13
ieatlintit doesn't list anything but remote compiler when you open the .pro?03:13
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sivangieatlint: yes03:14
sivangieatlint: and it happens with other several projects as well03:15
ieatlintand just to confirm, you're opening a .pro and not a .qmlproject file?03:15
sivangthat is what I seem to be doing03:15
* sivang makes sure03:15
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sivangieatlint: hmm, no seems I opened jsut a qmlproject03:16
sivangieatlint: odd, I opened it from the Demos from the welcome screen03:17
sivangI'ms tarting to get the picutre03:18
ieatlintyeah, the demos are rather poorly maintained, which is kinda ironic03:18
sivangI must submit bugs, there are some low hanging fruits for me when open gov is launched :)03:19
sivangieatlint: so there's a pro file, a proper one, but only in the demos under the qt dir03:19
sivangieatlint: now I see that the welcome screen takes its demos from another demo dir03:19
sivangis this shadow building?03:19
ieatlintunlikely03:19
sivangieatlint: there, there's only one pro for *all* of the demos03:19
ieatlintkinda03:20
ieatlintthe main one is a subdirs type03:20
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sivangieatlint: you mean, a qml type?03:20
ieatlintand there are project files for each sub project, which can be loaded independently most of the time03:20
sivangieatlint: exactly03:20
ieatlintbut as i recall, for some, a parent project file sets include paths and similar03:20
sivangieatlint: this was not the case a couple of updates ago03:20
* ieatlint shrugs03:21
sivangieatlint: e.g. declerative demos were taken straight from the qt distro dir03:21
sivangand not copied out03:21
ieatlinti still love how many use "import Qt 4.7"03:22
sivangieatlint: instead of QtQuick 1.0?03:23
ieatlintqtquick of any version, yeah03:23
sivangor wait, the Qt namespace is now built in or are these unrelated?03:24
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sivangieatlint: I'm not complaining, this is still amoving target03:24
sivangieatlint: plus it is much more than I ever got for an SDK from any other company, for free :)03:24
sivangoh, and I do not need to sue Eclipse03:25
sivang:-p03:25
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ieatlintyeah, well, use it enough and you'll get this special hatred of it all03:26
sivangI won't, I came from Delphi, VB, Eclipse, gedit vim and some very bad IDEs attempted for Python (excluding Komodo) , I love the creator for waht it lets you do03:28
sivanggps simulations rock03:28
sivangbut the demos/examples thingo needs fixing,03:28
sivangfor sure.03:28
sivangieatlint: also, it is best to let a newb install and start playing with c++ on his new linux box without having to worry about deps etc03:29
ieatlintyeah...03:34
ieatlintbut the whole thing seems a tad hacked together at times03:34
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sivangieatlint: I fixed it, just copied the original demo (that's is ready with the qmlviewer) to a new fresh dir and playgroudn there03:42
sivangieatlint: since those examples do not require C++ , they made them ready for the qmlviewer in built into creator03:43
* sivang thinks of asking to have voth options, deployable and just qml03:43
sivangin a feature/ bug request03:43
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iekkumorning08:00
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kirmais there a way/application to enable automatic updates of location in availability for n9? it worked on n900, but apparently not in n9 (?)09:04
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dm8tbravailability?09:05
dm8tbray you mean in that drop-down? doesn't that have a location tickbox?09:06
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kirmait has a location tick-box, but it also has "update" button09:09
kirmamaybe it was just lazy and I concluded that it's not automatic update09:10
kirmabut when I untick the box, the update button is still available09:10
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dm8tbrthat might be because of the free text field right above it?09:23
dm8tbralso for added fun tap the 'add location' text _itself_ (not the tick-box)09:24
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kirmadm8tbr: is this in line with UX guidelines? I wouldn't have ever figured out that the resolution of location would be selectable by tapping *that*09:29
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Stskeepsw00t09:30
Stskeepser :P09:30
* w00t eyes Stskeeps 09:31
Stskeepsyes, i forgot the /g09:31
dm8tbrkirma: yah, bit weird, found it by accident, lost it for a couple of weeks, wondered where the f* it was, found it by accident...09:33
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thpis there a variable in QML that tells me if I'm currently in portrait or landscape mode?10:55
thp(apart from comparing width and height of the current page, that is)10:56
ieatlintyes10:57
thpand where is is/how is it called? can't find anything in {PageStackWindow,Page,PageStack,platformWindow}10:58
ieatlinttrying to find it again, one sec10:58
ieatlinthttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Application_development_framework/Application_lifecycle_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK is not what you want, but distantly related and also semi-difficult to find10:58
ieatlintah, here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Controlling_rotation.html10:59
ieatlintnote the "screen.currentOrientation == Screen.Portrait" example code11:00
thpieatlint: thanks a lot :)11:00
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ieatlintalso, PageStackWindow has the signals onOrientationChangeAboutToStart, Finished and Started11:01
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ieatlintPageStackWindow also inherits Window which has the boolean read-only value inPortrait (eg, in PageStackWindow onOrientationChangeFinished: { if( inPortrait ) console.log( "Portrait" ) else console.log( "Landscape" ) }11:04
thpoh, just saw that - thanks. pagestackwindow inherits from window11:05
amenghi , does n9 have a developer community?11:05
ieatlintno, we shun n9 developers and encourage them to adopt apple products11:05
matrixxhehe11:06
ameng=-O11:06
matrixxameng: welcome :)11:06
meceieatlint, LOL11:06
amengI just got a n9. it is so sad if there is no developer community for it..11:07
matrixxameng: there is, ieatlint is just kidding :P11:07
matrixxus :)11:07
ieatlinthave you tried a nice iphone? there's a new one out11:07
amengmatrixx:could you please point me to the link?11:07
meceieatlint, sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate over text and language barriers...11:07
matrixxieatlint: stop trolling at this second! :P11:07
ieatlintfine. :P11:08
thpameng: maemo.org and meego.com, depending on who you ask11:08
thpameng: also, developer.nokia.com has some resources11:08
ieatlintharmattan-dev.nokia.com is better actually11:08
thp(..on whom you ask..?)11:08
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thpyes, harmattan-dev.n.c is also important as a resource, but it's not really a community11:09
ieatlinton who is correct i believe11:09
meceameng, both ^^ work, meego.com is more developers and maemo.org is more users and trolls. Both can be helpful :)11:09
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matrixxI like irc and mailing lists more over forums11:09
meceameng, meego.com has the most up-to-date technical discussions, and the mailinglists you want are there too.11:10
amengthanks. will try them :)11:10
meceameng, also check out the future home of the open source apps: http://apps.formeego.com11:11
ieatlinti'm almost at release version 1 of my application for the n9/50, woo11:13
matrixxieatlint: congrats11:13
ieatlintyeah, an application that's only useful in north america11:14
ieatlintand only specific cities11:14
ieatlinta bus tracker11:14
matrixxwow, I wish we could have a good app for that in Finland11:15
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ieatlintwell, i had the advantage of a company here in the US that contracts out to transit agencies to provide live vehicle tracking11:16
ieatlintthey put a gps transponder on each vehicle that reports its location every ~30s11:16
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ieatlintand an open api11:16
specialieatlint: which cities?11:16
ieatlintcovers many cities in the US and a couple in canada11:16
ieatlintspecial: i don't have a number to hand out... any city that uses nextbus can theoretically work11:17
matrixxieatlint: I think we have similar system, but no open api yet11:17
ieatlintmy target has been where i live, which is san francisco, oakland and oakland's surrounding cities11:18
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ieatlintbut it supports boston, and montreal i believe, and somewhere between 15 and 70 additional11:18
specialah, damn, not for me11:18
ieatlinttheoretically any on this list http://www.nextbus.com/wireless/miniRegion.shtml11:18
ieatlintmy aim will be to support them all, but it's up to the local agency to let it be an open api, and only about 20% of them have -- the other 80% have an api, but you have to skirt a TOS in order to use it11:19
ieatlintif you happen to be in a city that has an open api, i can easily give you a build that will work.  my only hangup right now is that switching between agencies doesn't work without a reboot, which i'll have fixed soon11:21
specialmine has been promising an API for awhile now, they haven't pulled it off yet11:21
ieatlintwhere's that?11:21
specialsalt lake city, utah11:22
ieatlintah, the sober state11:22
specialhaha11:22
ieatlintnope, looks like no support there :P11:22
specialthat's why I don't just say "utah".11:22
ieatlintfair enough, SLC is its own thing11:22
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snowpongAnyone know which field Nokia Store reads the "Version (read-only)" part from a .deb package? If I do dpkg-deb -I I get version: 1.1.1, but Nokia claism it's 1.1.0 - and the only place I mention 1.1.0 is in the changelog11:25
snowpongs/claism/claims/g11:25
infobotsnowpong meant: Anyone know which field Nokia Store reads the "Version (read-only)" part from a .deb package? If I do dpkg-deb -I I get version: 1.1.1, but Nokia claims it's 1.1.0 - and the only place I mention 1.1.0 is in the changelog11:25
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specialis 1.1.0 the latest valid entry in the changelog?11:26
matrixxsnowpong: at least for me it took very long time before it really updated the package version11:26
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matrixxlike a few days11:27
matrixxthat happened when I updated existing package.. not with new package11:27
snowpongmatrixx: aha, so it's lying - I did read something about "Version number will be updated once submitted to QA"11:27
snowpongmatrixx: ok, this is an update though11:28
snowpongspecial: no, the latest entry is 1.1.111:28
matrixxI'm not sure if there's something happening only manually, or where's the lag, but anyway it might take a while11:28
specialI've had issues before on standard debian with slightly malformed changelog entries; but the nokia store being slow sounds a lot more likely.11:29
snowpongspecial: to be precise, the topmost entry is 1.1.1 and below that it's 1.1.011:29
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snowpongmatrixx: ok11:33
snowpongspecial: I do see a missing extra newline that might be a problem in the changelog, but then the changelog parser or whatever it is is really poor :|11:33
snowponganyone know how to print out the changelog of a deb?11:34
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specialI think my problem was caused by not having enough spaces preceding the text of the changelog11:34
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snowpongspecial: and how did the problem manifest itself? I mean the .deb installs, and in the "manage applications" list it's listed with the right version11:36
matrixxof course it is possible that my changelog entry was faulty and someone corrected the info manually a few days later :P11:36
matrixxbut also it was read perfectly fine in "manage applications" as well :)11:36
specialthis was awhile ago, and not on harmattan. I believe in that case it generated the package with the wrong version entirely.11:37
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Kleggasanyone else having n9 and noticed we are "blocked out" from operations even in root? like any promiscuous network scanning (nmap or homewritten code etc) which I can understand as you shouldn't do that kinda stuff, but even running nasm (installed maemo freemantle 1.3 deb file). Probably more things?12:46
dm8tbrno shit sherlock12:47
Kleggas:)12:48
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Kleggasso its not just me then :p12:48
Hq`yes it's well known that aegis won't let you do stuff12:48
dm8tbr~aegis12:48
infobothttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif12:48
dm8tbrKleggas: generally you don't want to run stuff as root, rather as user12:48
Kleggaswell, didn't test nasm in user as I sshed into as root. but one would think I wont be able to run nasm anyway even as user :)12:49
Kleggasbut havent tried12:50
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Kleggasperfect, nasm runs in user mode. thanks, as usual it was so simple :p12:52
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sixtus42Hi, I am still stuck with /tmp being to small and root unable to move it away or resize it. Anybody got an idea how to do that? The app I am trying to run ignores $TMPDIR :-/13:22
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djszapiHi! Is it possible to get the call duration somehow on Harmattan ?13:34
Stskeepslibcommhistory?13:34
Stskeepsperhaps13:34
djszapiI am primarily interested in Ui interface like on any other old phones.13:35
djszapiahh found, long tap on the dedicated call.13:36
djszapiand there is something in the menu13:36
djszapihow intuitive workflow ... that is another question.13:38
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sixtus42djszapi: hi! any new idea on my /tmp problem?13:47
djszapisorry, no.13:47
djszapiI am terribly busy with everything13:47
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djszapisixtus42: I will get back to you at some point in the upcoming days. Currently busy with abstracts for the meego conference..14:25
djszapifruct conference*14:25
nealwhat meego conference?14:25
dm8tbrthere is still going to be any public event about meego?14:25
macmaNSpeedEvil: what is the issue with microsim adapters vs n95014:26
DocScrutinizerdon't use them14:26
dm8tbrunless you feel like replacing a SMT sim holder yourself :)14:26
macmaNok. just wondering, actually was thinking about using an adapter to fit microsim into an older nokia14:27
macmaN*gasp*.. Symbian FP1 device14:28
DocScrutinizerall slot-in holders are problematic with adapters14:28
DocScrutinizersimilar to "don't use mini-CD in slot-in CD drives"14:28
macmaNmhm kthx14:30
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DocScrutinizerin case of sim hooldes the contact springs lock to any hole or edge on the SIM's surface14:32
DocScrutinizerto remove you need to insert a *thin* but rigid plastic latch above contact surface of SIM, to unlock the contact springs14:33
DocScrutinizeryou usually don't want to do that even once14:34
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djszapisixtus42: you are hardcoding "/tmp" in your program ? Could you please use TMPVAR in your program, getting it by "getenv" for instance because tmp basically points there by default.14:43
djszapiand /var/tmp is laid down on root fs, so you would have that 2.1 GB free space.14:44
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merlin__is there any way to paste into the term on the device?14:54
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dm8tbrmerlin__: I'm also for C&P support. I hear the author accepts patches and the source is public.14:57
mprso how do I install native gcc etc. on n9 without compiling everything myself, is there an apt repository similar to maemo extras-devel?14:58
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kimjuhttps://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/commits/master15:09
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djszapimpr: use the official nokia repository15:35
djszapihttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gcc-4.4/15:36
mprah15:36
mprthanks15:36
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mprthat tries to pull libgmp3c2 from downloads.maemo.nokia.com which returns 404 :/16:02
mprit does get binutils from the same address with no problems16:02
djszapihttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gmp/16:03
djszapifaenil: o/16:03
faenilhey djszapi :)16:04
faeniltrying to implement ray picking, got some free time? :D16:04
djszapiactually busier than ever :)16:04
faenilok ;)16:04
mprwonder why it tries to use downloads.maemo.nokia.com for that one, should I disable the sources in aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list?16:05
djszapimpr: no you should have both16:05
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djszapideb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free16:05
mpryeah, I have that16:06
djszapishould work oob.16:07
djszapicould you please the output failing ?16:07
djszapipasye*16:07
djszapithat...16:07
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mprhttp://pastebin.com/NQqhVqw916:08
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djszapimpr: apt-cache policy for the relevant package, please ?16:14
mprhttp://pastebin.com/zsNd9Pp616:15
djszapisee ?16:16
mpryeah, but I guess something is out of sync in downloads.maemo.nokia.com if it finds that but the actual file is missing?16:16
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mprbut yeah, looking at harmattan-dev first solves the problem16:26
djszapimpr: have you made an apt-get update ? If yes, the repo might be kinda broken.16:26
mpryes I have, wouldn't see the harmattan-dev stuff at all otherwise :)16:27
djszapiyes, you would.16:27
mproh?16:27
djszapibut I try to report it to the SDK team leader tomorrow then, if you tried.16:27
mprwell have done it anyway16:27
mprok, thanks16:27
djszapiaheinecke: so you do not need me to manage your ho(s)tel for the KDE Harmattan sprint, you will manage it yourself ?16:30
djszapibecause I will make the grouping for the whole group in one hostel, and I think it is better if we live together there. :)16:31
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RST38hMoo, ladies and gentlemen17:30
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RST38hmoo, rm_you17:32
rm_workmoo RST38h17:32
javispedromoo RST38h17:32
* RST38h is back home17:32
rm_workmoo javispedro17:32
rm_workRST38h: everything still working alright with packrat / updating your packages?17:32
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futbolsalas15hello, can someone help me to make a webconference about meego? I'm from Bogota, Colombia and at my university we will develop an Mobile OS Conference17:44
futbolsalas15i request help on #meego, but answer me that meego is dead17:44
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RST38hrm_work: Frankly, have not checked for 2 weeks17:48
RST38hrm_work: Been in the States, away from N950.Last thing I know, someone from Ovi wrote that my packages do not start *directly* from Ovi Store, promised to investigate this week17:49
RST38hrm_work: But this, of course, has nothing to do with the repo ;)17:49
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rm_worklol yes17:58
rm_workhave fun in the states?17:58
rm_work:P17:58
RST38hrm_work: yeah checked the touch screen precision on all the android phones in AT&T store! =)17:59
RST38hrm_work: with some surprising results BTW17:59
RST38hrm_work: every 4.3" Samsung device sucks moose balls at one-handed virt keyboard input18:00
RST38hrm_work: 4.5" Samsung is better18:01
RST38hrm_work: But if you really want to be able to type a calee name, one handed, get an HTC (no matter, WP7 or Android).18:01
RST38hBecause Sammy if failing so miserably, it is not even funny any more. Although they all look the same.18:02
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RST38hjavispedro: I think they are trying to avoid fixing Ovi Store.18:04
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rm_worklol18:21
VelmontAnyone know how to sync the old Android phone contacts from Google to Nokia N9? -- it did only import my GTalk-people right now. It got almost no phone information at all (even my girlfriend, only her jabber address, not phone no.)18:26
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kkitoVelmont: create a mail for exchange account with your gmail credentials. It will import google contacts, calendar and mail18:51
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Velmontkkito: Ok. Cool. -- Do I have to do anything special on the gmail-side?18:56
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lardmanoh I really do hate QML anchors19:25
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lardmanone little apparently innocuous change and the whole thing is screwed19:26
* lardman wonders if it's possible to get the layout decision tree from the QML runtime to find out what particular anchor/size is knackering things?19:27
RST38hlardman: Madde is supposed to come with a QML debugger, no?19:29
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lardmanRST38h: dunno, am using Linux to develop here19:29
lardmanbut I'll tale a look19:29
lardmantake19:29
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RST38hlardman: Should run under Linux (known as QtSDK)19:31
RST38hlardman: did not runfor me underWindoze though19:32
lardmanoh is that MADDE too, I thought that was the Windows version19:32
RST38hlardman: QtSDK appears to be just anothernamefor madde19:33
lardmanah ok19:33
RST38hlardman: and "platform sdk" isapseudonim for "scratchbox" :)19:33
lardman:)19:34
lardmanwell at least I now have something that stays on the screen and doesn't wander off the screen when I repeatedly change orientation - no clue why there's a slight offset mind you19:35
lardmananyone know how I can remove an anchor? For example when I rotate, some of the portrait anchors mess up my layout in landscape, and then when I rotate back it's even worse19:39
* lardman tried None on the off chance19:40
lardmans/d/s19:40
lardmannope19:42
lardmanBy way of an example, I have an Item {} which has a fixed size (100,100), which I set in each state (it would change normally). This contains a yellow rectangle with anchors.fill: parent set19:43
lardmantherefore my feeling is that I should always end up with a yellow rectangle 100x10019:43
lardmanbut when I rotate the screen, the rectangle becomes rectangular, 100 high and across the entire screen19:44
lardmanI can't understand how this can happen when I explicitly set the size of its parent in each state19:44
RST38hlardman: Have you considered not using anchors?19:44
lardmanRST38h: using explicit x and y coords instead?19:45
RST38hlardman: filling parent rectangles instead19:45
RST38hwell, I guess it still uses anchors but not directly19:45
lardmanwell I need to change the screen layout depending on the orientation of the device, and for this simple page have a video widget with another Item containing a pair of buttons to perform functions19:46
fralsso err, coming back to what i was asking yesterday.. running a process requiring tracker access under gdb on device, anyone got any hints?19:46
lardmanso I basically need to move the buttons to either one side or below the video widget19:46
RST38hah, so you need a complete layout switch19:46
lardmanRST38h: it should be very simple, and I've no clue why it won't work, the code (I expect to need to use) is actually very simple19:47
lardmanbut adding anchors seems to change the size of my Item {}, which they screws things up. But my understanding was that anchors have a length of chain with them, so they don't stretch the objects they are anchoring19:48
lardmanbut perhaps I completely misunderstand....19:48
lardmanAnyway is enough to make one give up19:48
fralsif you anchor something left and right its going to change the width of the item19:48
lardmanfrals: why?19:49
tommawell if you have item with fixed size and then anchor it for example windows left and right... then it will resize19:49
Corsachmhmhm, 650€ for expansys n9/64g, *nice*19:49
lardmanfrals, tomma, hmm, I see19:49
fralslardman: because its going to occupy the whole size between the left and the right anchor19:49
fralslardman: anchor to one side only or use anchors.horizontalCenter or similar19:49
fralslardman: as for the why... no clue, thats how it works, and makes sense to me :)19:50
lardmanfrals: what if I need two rectangles one above the other, horizontally centred and spaced proportionally to the space between them and the edges?19:50
RST38hlardman: I have found that QML does not always recompute layout properly when rotating19:50
lardmanI thought that's what an anchor would do, let things drift between anchored points19:51
RST38hlardman: No idea why, but it might be the reason19:51
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lardmanRST38h: yeah that is a problem, some anchors are not wanted in certain orientations, so how can I disable them?19:51
lardmane.g. in a landscape layout I need to disable the horizontalCenter anchor, but am not sure how to do that. Any ideas?19:52
grilardman, states and AnchorChanges19:52
fralslardman: could you draw me a picture? been a long day :D19:52
lardmangri: does AnchorChanges do something specific then? I was trying to work out why it was even a keyword when PropertyChanges seems to do the same thing19:53
grilardman, PropertyChanges can't change anchors19:53
lardmangri: yes it can19:53
lardmanor at least it does so19:53
fralsanchors.left: undefined19:53
lardmanfrals: cool, thanks19:54
griin QtQuick 1.0 it was not able, maybe it works in 1.1 :)19:54
fralsim not sure if it works, but supposedely it should. i remember having some difficulties with it a few weeks back19:54
lardmangri: if AnchorChanges resets all anchors but for those mentioned that would be a reason for having it, otherwise I was just changing anchors in PropertyChanges as I also need to alter the width & height19:55
lardmanhmm, perhaps it does do something differently, certainly my layout is slightly different19:58
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grilardman, http://pastebin.com/JJKQQteH20:04
griI just tried ? using PropertyChanges it does output warnings, using anchorchanges it does what I want20:05
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lardmangri: certainly the behaviour is different, which is a little odd, I'll see if I can fix it with AnchorChanges.20:07
lardmanAnyone know who I should actually ask whether/what the difference is between AnchorChanges and PropertyChanges?20:07
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fralsid guess #qt-qml20:09
lardmanonto other weirdness: I have two buttons stacked one atop the other in a Rectangle, the buttons are sized in the states, the rectangle is set to childrenRect.width etc, but is less wide than the buttons20:10
lardmanthanks frals20:10
grilardman, If you have margins, those are substracted from width20:11
lardmanno margins20:11
fralslardman: may we see the code? :)20:12
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lardmanhttp://pastebin.com/hJ3kVsN220:12
lardmanof course, sorry20:12
lardmanthat's the snippet in question, I'll pastebin the whole lot if you want20:13
fralslardman: the states part would be nice as well20:13
lardmansure, hang on a tick20:13
lardmanhttp://pastebin.com/k5hnV3iF20:14
lardmanlots of Rectangles in place of Items so I can see what on Earth is going on ;)20:14
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grilardman, Why not create a Column {} for the Buttons and fill the rectangle with it?20:19
griI read somewhere we should prevent ourselves from setting width and height if possible (don't remember where)20:19
lardmangri: a Column was my first choice, but I was also going to alter the arrangement of the buttons - side by side in landscape view20:20
tommaRow then20:21
fralslardman: you are setting the width for the rectangle20:21
fralslardman: so its not childrenRect.width anymore20:21
lardmanyeah but they need to be in a row for landscape and a column for portrait, not sure I can switch between the two...20:21
tommabutton group20:21
fralslardman: line 9620:21
lardmanfrals: but why not, it's not updated after state property changes?20:22
fralslardman: if you set it to 250 its always going to be 250 until you change it to childrenRect.width again20:22
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lardmanah I see20:23
lardmanI'll need to check and see what the buttons do20:23
lardmanthat was a left over from the more complex code I originally wrote, and have been paring back since nothing would work20:23
fralslardman: or let me rephrase, it will change depending on the propertychange you have in the state, if its not defined it will take initial expression i assume20:24
lardmantomma: I'll check that out, thanks20:24
fralslardman: http://pastebin.com/D0w3dGUv seems to workish here20:25
lardmanthanks frals20:25
lardmantomma: re buttongroup, any docs on that anywhere?20:26
fralslardman: np20:26
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tommalardman, seems like there is only ButtonColumn and ButtonRow... they have helper functions in ButtonGroup.js20:27
* lardman realises why he hates uis now, 2 days spent bashing head against kb when I could have been doing something algorithmically useful20:27
lardmanthanks tomma20:27
grianyone else here has crazy flickering when starting QMLviewer.app on osx (Qt 4.7.4 and Lion)?20:28
thpgri: nope - try the "-graphicssystem" switch, maybe it makes a difference20:32
grithp, raster seems to be the normal one - flickers. OpenGL displays some weird buffer contents :)20:33
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thpgri: did you try "native" too>20:39
thp s/>/?/20:39
grithp, no and this actually doesn't flicker, wow :)20:40
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lardmanif nothing else now debugging qml code using Rectangles in primary colours is a far more pleasant experience than staring at error messages :)20:56
RST38hheh20:56
RST38hyohoo, wazd20:56
wazdRST38h: woo :)20:57
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mprI wonder how hard it would be to configure the default terminal so that it retains focus when the virtual keyboard is hidden20:59
mprso that you could use the full screen when using an external bt keyboard20:59
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mpris it something terminal-specific or would you need to dig the internals of the whole window management21:01
lardmanhow do you hide the vkb in the term?21:03
mprslide it down21:03
lardmanah21:03
lardmanhappens with e.g. Messages too, so perhaps it could be changed in the vkb implementation so that it remembers which is the current app when it appears21:04
dm8tbrmpr: does bt kbd work for you if vkb is showing?21:04
mpryes21:04
dm8tbr... interesting21:04
* lardman wonders where his BT kb has been hidden21:04
mpryou can also see from the terminal cursor that it loses focus when you hide the vkb21:04
dm8tbrwhen I recently tried bt-kbd it would only work if I flipped out the hardware keyboard (and thus hid the vkb)21:05
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mpryeah, probably different on devices with an actual hw keyboard, I'm on n921:08
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dm8tbrah21:10
dm8tbrwell good to know21:10
dm8tbrmpr: does it work in other apps or do they also loose the cursor/focus if you hide the vkb?21:11
mprin messages it pops the vkb up whenever you type anything on the bt kb :)21:12
dm8tbrmeh21:13
dm8tbrwould be nice if bt-kbd would create an 'hw kbd' like event21:13
dm8tbr(there would be probably some bugs like autocapitalization etc, but I'd be happy to live with them)21:14
mpractually in the actual new message view it just loses focus and doesn't respond to bt kb if vkb is hidden, same as in terminal21:16
mprthe popping-up happened only when focus was on some one-line input fields21:17
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dm8tbrmhm21:22
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gri~seen spenap21:25
grihmm21:25
infobotspenap <spena@nat/nokia/x-fkiqictlqjfiesjt> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 8m 2s ago, saying: '~seen ab'.21:25
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aurynnHey. So, to recap: Got an N9, which is now asking for a re-flash. Can't find OS images anywhere. What now?21:57
javispedroyou wait =)21:57
aurynnAh-hah. :) So, I'm basically screwed right now.21:58
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aurynnWell, at least I know22:00
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doomdog~moo22:01
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass22:01
aurynnand I look good on the bbq...22:01
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fiferboyIs there anyway to load pre-existing thumbnails from tracker in QML?22:21
grithose for contacts, yes22:21
grior what exactly is pre-existing?22:22
fiferboyCamera thumbnails in particular22:26
fiferboyQGalleryQueryModel is an easy way to get them, but I have to generate my own thumbnails that way22:27
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pinheirohumm any one knows the name for the msn protocol23:15
pinheiromsn telapathy23:15
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fiferboypinheiro: telepathy-pecan I believe23:24
fiferboyOr telepathy-msn-pecan23:25
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pinheirofiferboy: hummm23:38
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pinheiromc-tool add msn/pecan?23:40
* dm8tbr doesn't have such problems. just unified all IM protocols into one XMPP account by using transports23:42
pinheirogabble/jabber =jabber23:43
fralspinheiro: where did you find the plugin?23:48
pinheiroi didnt23:49
pinheirofor msn at least23:49
pinheirojabber working fine23:49
pinheiroskype 223:49
pinheirowondering if i can get msn aswell23:49
fralswell you would need to install the telepathy plugin for it first23:50
pinheirobutterfly?23:50
pinheiroor haze?23:50
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piggzlo, does anyone know what formats work with qsoundeffect?  im having trouble with wav, ogg and mp3!!23:57
LilltigerDo anyone know if there is a working version of XBMC (not remote) for Harmattan (Nokia N9)23:57

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