| ieatlint | i should just drive down to the mozilla offices with a bunch of cash and convince someone there to push out an update with my own root cert | 00:00 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: because gmail IMAP loves to do stuff such as folders, deleting mail, marking mail as read on the server, and many other things I don't want. | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | i just use mfe for gmail and it works well on the n950 | 00:01 |
| * artemma is starting the release sequence for the Symbian version of his Harmattan app (this one - about discounts calculation http://store.ovi.com/content/186742 ) | 00:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I miss the point in imap, it feels to me like a webmailer without GUI frontend. Why would I possibly want to mess with a mail protocol that needs "always online" to work? | 00:04 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your webmailer analogy is correct IMHO, but certainly, some people just want that aiui. | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | because you can configure your imap client to download and cache messages as they arrive (default config on the n950, in fact), so that even without connectivity you can read your email | 00:05 |
| javispedro | (for "small" messages) | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | and because i keep all my email on the server permanently, so that i can access it from anywhere | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: great! so what's been the advantage of this, compared to e.g. POP3? | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | it helps google and governments violate my privacy without bothering me | 00:06 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: i prefer the syncing... like drafts i write on my phone that show up in the drafts folder of my gmail account, and vise-versa | 00:07 |
| ieatlint | and emails i read on one client are marked read on all others | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 00:07 |
| ieatlint | the labels/folders system also works well for me | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, works here great as well, using web.de html and arbitrary browsers | 00:08 |
| ieatlint | and method of pop3 is to download items from the server, and configuration gets confusing if i have 3+ devices connected via pop3 all download email -- even if the server (or clients) are set not to delete mail from the server | 00:08 |
| javispedro | there's no configuration =) | 00:09 |
| javispedro | depending on the clients, that setup might or might not be possible. | 00:09 |
| ieatlint | imap works on system designed to do this, and it's overall simpler for that purpose... i fail to see any advantage pop3 offers over imap | 00:09 |
| javispedro | the advatange is in its simplicity: fetch mail. end of the pop3 session. | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, what's with always-online? | 00:10 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: but that's essentially true for imap as well | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | and always online isn't required any more for imap than it is for pop3 | 00:11 |
| javispedro | not really, there _is_ configuration for IMAP | 00:11 |
| javispedro | for example, the stock N950 does not download "large" messages (configurable) | 00:11 |
| javispedro | it does not download all folders, either | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone found a matchingish phone model for a screen protector for the n950? | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | no, you pick the folders you want, which makes more sense, especially for me | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | i have mailing lists i don't check regularly that i don't want to be downloading 100 messages a day | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: we could likely get zagg to make an invisibleshield for it, if we give them the specs | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't there a NRE? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several generic shield sets out there, and cutting to size shouldn't be hard | 00:13 |
| ieatlint | need to ensure you don't block the front facing camera, light sensor and proximity sensor though | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh for camera | 00:14 |
| ieatlint | it is gorilla glass too... i've had good luck with screens using it so far | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh for light sensor. earpiece and proximity sensor are the problematic bits | 00:14 |
| ieatlint | i wonder what would happen if i tried to use a relatively cheap laser cutter on the invisible shield stuff (or another cut to fit screen cover) | 00:16 |
| ieatlint | does that stuff risk melting? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | the earpiece needs a hole obviously. The prox sensor may or may not care about protector, depending on IR properties of the foil | 00:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: btw something you might like about harmattan, check the amount of plain text/.ini style configuration files in ~/.config | 00:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: instead of your favourite configuration system, GConf! | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | someone get out the callipers and make a gcode file | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks for the prodding | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't recall if I already said it here: "WOW, proximity sensor has a analog distance readout" | 00:20 |
| javispedro | I don't know the scale though | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bogus | 00:20 |
| javispedro | and according to a few comments in source, it is completely differente between n950 and n9 | 00:20 |
| ieatlint | yep | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it is, as the "distance" is probably just the amount of light reflected back to sensor | 00:21 |
| javispedro | making the usefulness of it .... questionable | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe some parallax effect. For sure N9's convex tinted glass has some impact | 00:22 |
| javispedro | the system itself just uses whatever the hardware itself says as for "covered or not" | 00:22 |
| javispedro | aha, I finally got my log file | 00:25 |
| javispedro | it's easy as hell | 00:26 |
| javispedro | if anyone wants to do it, read ~/.config/Nokia/Messageserver.conf | 00:26 |
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| javispedro | now, I just need to wait until it starts failing again... :P | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, where the 5v USB thread? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32159#post32159 or somewhere near (FMC just acts up on me) | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4610 | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Database error<< :-S | 01:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gonna make MWKN difficult tonight. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1094568&postcount=49 is the "seed" | 01:12 |
| berndhs | so forum.meego.com has turned professional, strictly 9-5 on weekdays ? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/ is "dead" for me | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably I killed the database by selecting "display: hybrid threded" | 01:14 |
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| javispedro | berndhs: the entire meego infrastructure been turned pro. then | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | * Adam will do RAID update to try to fix some kernel problems, also this needs a short maint break | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Breaks will be communicated separately by Max and Adam. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | << | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I missed that separate communication? | 01:18 |
| berndhs | that's probably it | 01:18 |
| javispedro | why is that just seconds after knowing that f.m.c is down I hit, while researching documentation on some topic I'm peculiarly interested, a f.m.c link? | 01:19 |
| javispedro | why is also that Google seems to miss from its cache that very link too, hmpf. | 01:19 |
| berndhs | interesting | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmpf >>The forum.meego.com forum technical staff have been notified of the error, though you may contact them if the problem persists.<< | 01:22 |
| * javispedro panics as he realizes that "See cached copy" button in google results page has been replaced with a "+1" button that serves no purpose | 01:23 | |
| javispedro | ah, I now need to click on some javascripty button that takes ages to load to see that button | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ass-hats | 01:25 |
| javispedro | also, what google does, bing copies the next day.. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate Google | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | So much | 01:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They've really lost sight of what made them big. | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Lightweight fast services | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32140works again | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32140 works again | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, caught it. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro! | 03:05 |
| * javispedro quickly raises the laserproof shield | 03:05 | |
| javispedro | hm.. what? =) | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - orientation locked apps in the other orientation swipe left to close | 03:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, quick summary of Beta 2's Bullshit Bullet Bologna? | 03:29 |
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| javispedro | hummm | 03:32 |
| * javispedro has to go.. | 03:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame. | 03:45 |
| javispedro | sorry, cya! | 03:47 |
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| ieatlint | can anyone else confirm that the n950 doesn't have 802.11n/5g support? | 04:10 |
| nibbler | N950 just has a 2,4GHz phy, does g and probably n, but not a/n | 04:18 |
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| ieatlint | thanks | 04:25 |
| ieatlint | guess the n9 and n950 really are farther apart than i had assumed | 04:25 |
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| Tronic | By the feel of it, seems like N950 hardware is based on N900 and N9 is a completely new design. | 05:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tronic, not really. | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | N9 and N950 are mostly fairly similar at their cores | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're all pretty different hardware wise. | 05:25 |
| Tronic | Same chipset but different chassis, display, camera, nfc, ... | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think the camera is the same. | 05:36 |
| ieatlint | nokia claims it's different, but that could be due to just licencing | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I suspect it probably has something to do with the Zeiss certification. | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | i thought the only differences were the screen, case and lack of nfc | 05:46 |
| ieatlint | but there is definitely more as the wifi radio on the n9 definitely does 5g | 05:47 |
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| Kypeli | The camera on the N950 is a 12MPxl camera, while N9 has a 8Mpxl. | 07:35 |
| Kypeli | They are really quite different devices. | 07:35 |
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| dm8tbr | I think 12M was only in the N8 | 07:37 |
| ieatlint | Kypeli: not the n950s the people in here have | 07:38 |
| ieatlint | the prototype n950s, i've heard, have 12mp cameras and 64gb of storage space... ours are 8mp and 16gb | 07:38 |
| Kypeli | It has a 12Mpxl camera, but it only takes 8Mpxl pictures. | 07:38 |
| ieatlint | that's depressing then | 07:39 |
| Kypeli | That's why the picture quality is so poor. | 07:39 |
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| ieatlint | that's rather disappointing if true, and makes me wonder if there's any chance that can be changed | 07:41 |
| ieatlint | heh, someone's being clever | 07:41 |
| ieatlint | or not... i guess just autojoin, ip matches | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | autojoin, think his machine is still on | 07:51 |
| iekku | morning | 07:53 |
| dm8tbr | mrng | 07:54 |
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| mece | o/ | 09:19 |
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| frals | \o/ | 09:36 |
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| RST38h | EHLO gentlemen | 10:37 |
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| vladest | hi | 10:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 10:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Heya | 10:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: submitted rest of my stuff to the Ovi Store yesterday. Waiting. | 10:44 |
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| rantom | Speaking of Ovi Store | 11:06 |
| rantom | If someone downloaded the Minesweeper and has enabled closing applications from swiping up to down, it doesn't work for that | 11:07 |
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| rantom | Not the biggest issue but wanted to point it out, fyi | 11:08 |
| RST38h | Ah, there is a trick | 11:08 |
| RST38h | For all OffScreen applications, they basically run in landscape, even although they look portrait. So, swipe right-to-left to close. | 11:09 |
| rantom | Good idea | 11:09 |
| RST38h | There is a fix for that, but it is ugly and I would never have found it if a helpful Nokia guy did not give me a hint | 11:09 |
| rantom | Yeah, that works | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Funnier thing is, OffScreen's stuff still assumes 800x480 screen, so some graphics are broken | 11:10 |
| artemma | I found some interesting sources for harmattan on the web that use /usr/bin/aegis-exec Anybody knows any docs/references about it? | 11:10 |
| rantom | RST38h: You although lose the swiping in portrait from right to left, since it closes the application, in this case | 11:10 |
| RST38h | rantom: Well, complain to OffScreen, do not complain to me. | 11:11 |
| rantom | RST38h: I'm not complaining | 11:11 |
| rantom | But yeah, thanks | 11:11 |
| rantom | RST38h: Ah, I re-read the symptom for bug, now I understood you. Again, thanks | 11:12 |
| RST38h | AND THEIR CHECKERS ALGORITHM SUCKS! | 11:12 |
| RST38h | Ufff... Now I have taken it off my mind =) | 11:13 |
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| rantom | :D | 11:13 |
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| * artemma just discovered apt-get moo :) | 11:23 | |
| wazd | RST38h: cool :0 | 11:27 |
| wazd | :) | 11:27 |
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| dm8tbr | on debian there is also aptitude moo | 11:29 |
| RST38h | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 !!! | 11:30 |
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| RST38h | OMG, Mohammad, what is that IP address??? | 11:32 |
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| artemma | why can't I run aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec ? | 11:49 |
| artemma | Trying it under root | 11:50 |
| artemma | is it some Beta2 specific restriction? | 11:50 |
| artemma | I get Permission denied | 11:50 |
| RST38h | they have patched it | 11:50 |
| artemma | oh | 11:50 |
| artemma | so I can't launch anything from shell now, can I? | 11:51 |
| RST38h | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&highlight=aegis | 11:51 |
| RST38h | use develsh | 11:51 |
| artemma | oups, indeed develsh works | 11:51 |
| artemma | I somehow thought that logging under root is the same as develsh | 11:52 |
| jreznik | lo | 11:52 |
| Arkenoi | why unofficial terminal lost its icon when default terminal got updated? | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Even better question: if I want to see the whole terminal, how do I get rid of the virtual keyboard? =) | 11:54 |
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| Kaadlajk | RST38h: swipe down on the vkb | 11:59 |
| RST38h | does not work | 11:59 |
| Kaadlajk | okay guess that does not work on beta2 then :-( | 11:59 |
| Kaadlajk | works for me on N9 | 12:00 |
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| sandst1 | works for me on the N950 | 12:06 |
| sandst1 | with beta2 | 12:06 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 12:06 |
| * RST38h must be swiping wrong | 12:06 | |
| sandst1 | RST38h: swipe down on top of the VKB only, not on the whole screen | 12:07 |
| RST38h | yeah, that is what I did | 12:07 |
| sandst1 | RST38h: oh.... strange.. | 12:08 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders if layout switching is broken forever or will be fixed someday | 12:13 | |
| Arkenoi | for physical keyboard | 12:13 |
| dm8tbr | Arkenoi: care to elaborate? | 12:15 |
| ajalkane | also clicking top part of term window closes kbd | 12:19 |
| ajalkane | the swipe down must start on the vkbd for it to work | 12:19 |
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| Arkenoi | dm8tbr, that's simple: "smart" auto capitalization is actually more than stupid. You cannot turn it off, and it makes text entry with alternate layout almost impossible due to a stupid bug: | 12:32 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 12:32 |
| Arkenoi | it does not only force first letter in the sentence to be capital, it forces it to be from main layout, so when I type a russian word it tries to start it from english letter! | 12:33 |
| Arkenoi | and if you backspace it and try again, it does it again! | 12:33 |
| dm8tbr | mhm, sounds like something that's not only N950 specific, so let's hope someone reports it on the internal tracker | 12:35 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, the workaround I use is: space + letter | 12:35 |
| dm8tbr | or was it randomletter, real letter, delete first letter | 12:35 |
| Arkenoi | dm8tbr, I wonder why autocapitalization seems to be desired default behavior to whoever writes the mobile phone product requirements :-/ | 12:38 |
| dm8tbr | whoever writes the spec, doesn't use the product | 12:39 |
| * artemma suddenly figured that his timed-related code.. works as it should | 12:39 | |
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| artemma | Is there some qml component that shows app title on top (for harmattan at least). Or do all the system applications (e.g. Notes, Mail, Messaging) draw it on their own? | 13:00 |
| Kaadlajk | Arkenoi: settings -> time and language -> text input -> tick off auto-capitalization | 13:02 |
| Kaadlajk | oh wait that was swype setting | 13:02 |
| Kaadlajk | nvm | 13:02 |
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| ajalkane | artemma: there is not | 13:17 |
| artemma | funny :) | 13:17 |
| artemma | ok, got it | 13:17 |
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| vladest | where in qtcreator insert long description of the p[acket? | 14:33 |
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| gri | vladest: Projects -> Run configuration -> "create package" details, choose "control" in the combobox and "edit" | 14:46 |
| gri | Or open qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/control in your file tree | 14:46 |
| vladest | gri: thanks | 14:47 |
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| nibbler | is there currently any way to sync contacts in harmattan other than bluetooth and the ovi service? | 15:25 |
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| djszapi | hi SpeedEvil | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 15:29 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: user interaction is not a good defense against security things, I realized (at least yet) | 15:29 |
| djszapi | since you can just use xresponse. | 15:30 |
| djszapi | so just one additional line to the exploit program. | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly - which is why either a code, or a credentials review, or some sort of 'yes this is really a system message' LED is needed. | 15:31 |
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| djszapi | you cannot review all the codes in a store, it is just impossible. | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | or credentials | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aegis helps lots with this | 15:32 |
| djszapi | not really. | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, with a fine-grained set of credentials. | 15:33 |
| djszapi | aegis will not detect a high rate number in the low-level code. | 15:33 |
| artemma | nibbler: I sync contacts using Mail For Exchange. With Google Contacts in my case. Should work even better with Exchange | 15:33 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: credentials are not just the part of the story. | 15:33 |
| djszapi | you /do/ need to know what an application request and /why/. That works only from code. | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - no. | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | You have a game. Its description does not mention SMS. Its startup screen does not mention SMS. It requests the SMS credential. | 15:34 |
| djszapi | what would actually eb a rather trivial solution is to limit xresponse | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | That should be a straightforward 'deny' for ovi-store | 15:34 |
| djszapi | and all this hazzle would be go away since normal user does not need xresponse anyways. | 15:35 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: well, attackers will not make such a trivial mistake, they are much smarter. | 15:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer shouts "WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!" and runs out | 15:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | Limiting the attack surface is a positive. | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Not having to worry about all apps doing SMS is a plus. | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - I'm busy at the moment filling in a huge long form that has to be done by tomorrow, and I think we've gone over this before. | 15:36 |
| * SpeedEvil waves. | 15:36 | |
| djszapi | it is not that simple at all, plus SMS is not the only surface attack. | 15:36 |
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| djszapi | what would actually really make sense is to check out the GSM (or whatever protocol, standard) for features, like whether or not it can return proper logic for a high rate call, even if it is configured in a long list. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course not. My basic starting point would be that ubnless an app explains eitehr on its descripton or on its splash-screen why it needs a capabiltiy, it doesn't get it, if it asks for it. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: It can't. | 15:37 |
| djszapi | you will /never really ever/ be able to detect those attacks without looking into the low-level code. | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | If the app does not have the SMS credential, it can't do it, which removes that attack. | 15:38 |
| djszapi | I am not speaking about that case at all, not even from the beginning. | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure - SMS apps would need to be more carefully reviewed. | 15:38 |
| djszapi | I am speaking about absolutely more hidden attacks where you need to check the low-level code. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | But costs of things vary with country - what's free in some cases may cost thousands of dollars in another. | 15:39 |
| djszapi | 2 "simple" ways would exist to filter them out and I told both above. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The point of aegis is not having to check the code. | 15:39 |
| djszapi | well, as I said, there are gazillion other situations where "apps would need to be more carefully reviewed.". | 15:39 |
| djszapi | you cannot put it that simple, it is much more difficult issue than that. | 15:39 |
| djszapi | either you need a case by case /good/ logic (ie.: GSM standard provided logic, if any and the like) or you can quite decently defend by having xresponse shutted up. | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that what we toldya some days ago, in epic length, to explain to you why automatic QA at OVI never can work? | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | There is _NO_ mechanism in the GSM standard to do this. There is no mechanism in the tcp/ip standard to do this. | 15:41 |
| djszapi | that was a bullshit, so is it still | 15:41 |
| * SpeedEvil waves to the ignored person. | 15:41 | |
| djszapi | would never really trust in a store, where I am said: "Ohh do not panic, humans will review all the low-level code for you". | 15:41 |
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| djszapi | that is just plain wrong. | 15:42 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: your statement is also false, you could have a configuration file after all at any rate. | 15:42 |
| berndhs | whether it's humans or AI or something else, something will get past the testing | 15:42 |
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| djszapi | berndhs: actualyl exactly the opposite, what the purpose is. | 15:42 |
| djszapi | 1) Having well-defined logic case by case 2) Having good APIs, services for proper interaction (where of course, xresponse is shutted up). | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck code review, it's about nderstanding the *MEANING* of plain text descriptions | 15:44 |
| djszapi | plain text description :D :D :D | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can check code for QsendSMS() calls automatically - but you'll never find out if that app is *meant* to send an SMS | 15:44 |
| djszapi | made my day =) | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *plonk* | 15:45 |
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| macmaN | has anyone manged to connect to BT DUN with beta 2? | 15:52 |
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| macmaN | blueman isnt able to send file to phone either | 15:57 |
| kkito | hello | 15:57 |
| macmaN | gnome-bluetooth tells me "unable to find service record" | 15:59 |
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| Arkenoi | I really miss Mussorgsky. And Hermes. And many other n900 programs. | 16:18 |
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| snowpong | anyone know how the audio routing works on meego/harmattan? | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: actually a Nine (Nine Is Not an Emulator) to run genuine N900 apps on harmattan, that would be an awesome idea | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | snowpong: javispedro might have an idea how it works | 16:25 |
| snowpong | DocScrutinizer: ok, I'll ping him once he is around | 16:25 |
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| snowpong | on a slightly similar topic, anyone played with ResourceSet in libresourceqt1? I'm a bit insure on how to properly react to resourceLost resourceReleased and resourceReleasdByManager | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi | 16:58 |
| javispedro | morning | 16:58 |
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| crevetor | Hello there | 17:59 |
| crevetor | DocScrutinizer: Just read your post on fmc | 17:59 |
| npm | i saw a n9/50 demo that had a map application that allowed twisting the map with a two finger rotation gesture | 18:02 |
| npm | is there code for this twisting rotation container for maps? | 18:02 |
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| snowpong | javispedro: a bird told me you might know the audio routing/mixing system on Harmattan? | 18:11 |
| javispedro | what part of it? | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | snowpong: Was it an angry bird? | 18:12 |
| javispedro | as a starting point, the center of all of it is pulseaudio. | 18:12 |
| leinir | pah. birds don't get angry, they get even *nods* ;) | 18:12 |
| snowpong | javispedro: I'm having issues syncing an in-app volume slider to be in sync with the "global" pink one you get when enabling AudioResources("player") | 18:12 |
| * javispedro feels déjà vu | 18:13 | |
| snowpong | javispedro: I could ofcourse just remove the internal one | 18:13 |
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| snowpong | at the moment we're streaming through gstreamer, so we're setting the volume on the playbin | 18:13 |
| javispedro | you should try not to change the volume on the playbin, as that probably changes the one in the PA stream | 18:14 |
| snowpong | javispedro: ok, so leave that one alone | 18:14 |
| javispedro | (and ideally policy manager should do that...) | 18:14 |
| javispedro | so what you want do? =) | 18:15 |
| snowpong | javispedro: ideally, be able to read the volume value | 18:16 |
| javispedro | if you want to read something that makes sense from a programmatic point of view, you want to view your stream's currently associated sink volume level in PA | 18:16 |
| javispedro | if you just want to read something that is user visible, there's a D-Bus service named com.meego.MainVolume iirc | 18:17 |
| javispedro | there might be a class for this in qtmobility systeminfo..... should be a pretty common thing | 18:18 |
| javispedro | com.Nokia.MainVolume1 , although seems it is closed source too =( | 18:20 |
| javispedro | and it seems to use its own d-bus socket so that's out of the question. | 18:24 |
| javispedro | hm... this is entering the "it's an interesting question" territory. | 18:24 |
| snowpong | javispedro: hmm, when I use the volume keys and crank it to max (pink top-slider full) my own slider inside the app (reflecting gstreamer/playbin volume) still has a bit before it's maxed out | 18:24 |
| snowpong | javispedro: so I'm wondering if they represent different mixing stages | 18:25 |
| npm | try running alsamixer -c 0 and see what your alsa values are at | 18:25 |
| snowpong | npm: thanks | 18:25 |
| javispedro | snowpong: playbin gets the volume of the PA stream | 18:25 |
| javispedro | gets/sets actually | 18:26 |
| npm | independent of pulse. perhaps the main volume isn't set to max? | 18:26 |
| javispedro | npm: alsa values are complete lies, PA even mutes them sometimes | 18:26 |
| javispedro | (until there's an actual non-corked stream) | 18:26 |
| npm | it's actually the other way around | 18:26 |
| npm | pulse is complete lies | 18:26 |
| npm | alsa is what's actually set | 18:26 |
| javispedro | not from the user point of view. | 18:26 |
| npm | the user isn't what the CPU cares about | 18:26 |
| javispedro | but as said, ALSA values are _muted_ when there are no uncorked streams for ex. | 18:27 |
| javispedro | makes sense from the hw point of view, you want to turn off the DAC to avoid hissing noise | 18:27 |
| npm | seems like a bug? | 18:27 |
| javispedro | (and save power) | 18:27 |
| javispedro | no | 18:27 |
| javispedro | what the user understand as the current device volume is the current default pulseaudio sink volume | 18:28 |
| npm | anyways that was just a suggestion as to why there might be a discrepancy | 18:28 |
| npm | i don't have time for a pulse/alsa flaemwar :-) | 18:28 |
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| javispedro | it's not a flamewar, I dislike pulse. | 18:28 |
| npm | then we're on the same team :-) | 18:28 |
| npm | i dislike pulse more than you dislike aegis :-) | 18:29 |
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| snowpong | javispedro: hehe, read the aegis thread today btw :D | 18:29 |
| javispedro | it's quite easy to get it from pulse, I'm just pondering if Qt does not offer an abstrated way to do it because it's large number of lines of code (get pulse stream handle, get sink for that stream, introspect, get volume for that sink...) | 18:30 |
| npm | ?? https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-847 ?? | 18:31 |
| * javispedro can guess why that happens... | 18:32 | |
| javispedro | either way | 18:33 |
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| npm | does anybody know how to prevent a MouseArea on a map (e.g. for scrolling) from binding events that would go to MapMouseArea regions? | 18:35 |
| npm | putting a mousearea on my map prevents my MapMouseArea icons/buttons/etc from firing | 18:36 |
| npm | which kills my menu implementation | 18:36 |
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| npm | if i have to bind a single toplevel MouseArea ontop of my map, is there a way to ask is there a MapImage or MapText at this event location? | 18:37 |
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| * javispedro fails to understand why pulseaudio actually implements its own server | 18:40 | |
| javispedro | *d-bus server | 18:40 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 18:44 |
| Andy80 | I've updated the icon of my project, but the debian/control was not updated by QtCreator... how can I force it to update that file reflecting the new icon? | 18:44 |
| javispedro | $ dbus-send --print-reply --address=unix:path=/var/run/pulse/dbus-socket --des | 18:44 |
| javispedro | t=com.Nokia.MainVolume1 /com/meego/mainvolume1 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.G | 18:44 |
| javispedro | etAll string:com.Nokia.MainVolume1 | 18:44 |
| javispedro | oops. | 18:44 |
| javispedro | sorry =) | 18:44 |
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| Sazpaimon | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orignal-Housing-Cover-Case-NOKIA-N9-N9-00-black-/120777537045?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1ee6f615 well that didn't take very long | 18:46 |
| snowpong | javispedro: hm, it seems to remember by default the apps volume till next launch, seen this? is it a feature? | 18:48 |
| javispedro | PA feature | 18:48 |
| snowpong | aha | 18:48 |
| snowpong | how does it tell? stream name, pid, name of binary? | 18:48 |
| javispedro | http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Modules#module-volume-restore | 18:50 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:50 |
| snowpong | thanks :) | 18:52 |
| Sazpaimon | I wonder if this seller can sell me all the N9 parts | 18:55 |
| Sazpaimon | then i can just put it together myself | 18:55 |
| Sazpaimon | his store only has the outer casing and the flex cable | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Generally speaking, you never, ever see phone mainboards on spares sites. | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | At least, from 'new' sites - there are sites that get them by ripping apart old phones | 18:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer recently pondered - in a silly moment - to build a N900 from scratch, on a bare PCB with all the chips and birdseed, then placing that into a chinese white N900 case | 18:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wondered if it would be feasible at all, and if it was <1000€ or more to get all the parts | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | start here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_02.jpeg | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Without the modem - maybe | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: might be hard to get RAPUYAMA BB5 chips on the component market | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the particular SoC with POP also may be not exactly easy to get | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAIA as well | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The compatible (AIUI) SoC and PMU are available on digikey I think | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | POP isn't | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'd not be averse to use a POP with e.g. 1GB of RAM ;-D | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall finding one on microns site | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But they never got back to me when I requested a datasheet | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | And obtaining it would be ... challenging | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | In addition, it had no NAND, so ... | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the SoC will boot in that condition from MMC | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect not | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I *think* the rom-bl will check mmc-if0 first, then try NAND | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it xloader that did this, and xloader is small enough to live in a mini NAND (or NOR?) on SoC? | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | From what I remember - steppingstone is a 40K rom bootloader | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall anything of what it does | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>The internal ROM Code will attempt to boot from several different peripherals including but not limited to: Serial(UART3), SD Card(MMC1 and MMC2), Nand and USB. << | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 19:17 |
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| Andy80 | a very noob question: once I've built a package and I'm subscribed to OVI Store... how do I upload the .deb to the store? | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm indeed, makes you ponder all sorts of ideas | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Andy80: an even better question would be: "where is this documented?" (as I have no idea either how the whole OVI store thing works, though I tried to find out about it, for some 5 minutes) | 19:22 |
| Andy80 | DocScrutinizer: :D | 19:22 |
| javispedro | http://info.publish.ovi.com/ ;) | 19:22 |
| Andy80 | DocScrutinizer: yeah... but changing question doesn't help anyway ;) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro helps, as usual :-))) | 19:23 |
| snowpong | Andy80: first you make a content item (and app with a name and image and all that jazz), then you upload a file to that content item | 19:24 |
| snowpong | s/and app/an app/g | 19:24 |
| infobot | snowpong meant: Andy80: first you make a content item (an app with a name and image and all that jazz), then you upload a file to that content item | 19:24 |
| Andy80 | snowpong: thank you, now I try :) | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm Verisign root cert expired some hours ago | 19:25 |
| snowpong | Andy80: http://support.publish.ovi.com/?cat=6 | 19:27 |
| snowpong | Andy80: lots of small snags and traps to fall into, have patience for your first one :) | 19:28 |
| Anssi138 | where can i tweak harmattan dbus timeouts? | 19:33 |
| snowpong | Andy80: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/8248 <- some more info | 19:33 |
| Anssi138 | or something, i am valgrinding app but doesn't get any result if valgrinding. i guess it might be related in dbus | 19:34 |
| Anssi138 | *to | 19:34 |
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| Andy80 | snowpong: ok... now I only have to wait for an email from OVI team that tell me if it's right or not? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS, Nokia once again is assuming everybody is born with a credit card | 19:40 |
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| Andy80 | DocScrutinizer: yep :) | 19:42 |
| berndhs | the internet, as ubiquitous as paying your monthly bills | 19:44 |
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| snowpong | Andy80: yes, and don't wait up - sometimes it can take a week sometimes a day, sometimes a month | 19:56 |
| snowpong | DocScrutinizer: better than spotify now assuming all have a facebook login | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea what's spotify | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | snowpong: and every time I need to fix something I need to wait another couple of weeks :P ?! | 19:58 |
| gri | or you do a feed app which seems to get waved through the QA (there is none?) :P | 19:59 |
| snowpong | Andy80: probably a bit faster, but yes, and update will also go through some QA stuff | 20:10 |
| snowpong | "an update" I mean | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Check key requirements that your content must meet  For the latest, official guidelines on appropriatecontent and technical requirements, go to: | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://publish.ovi.com/help/content_guidelines | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Review these guidelines carefully and on a regular basis to understand our requirements. | 20:12 |
| snowpong | DocScrutinizer: basically just says, don't do porn, don't insult anyone or anything, don't do lottery stuff etc | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | however to access these guidelines, you have to pay to Nokia first (register which needs payment of the registration fee) | 20:13 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: Which is 1 € :) | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so id I want to develop a lottery app for OVI store, I have to register and pay for that, to learn that I wasted that money as I'm not allowed to sell lottery apps? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | gri: I don't care if it's 1€, 1ct, or 1kBuks. It's a ripoff | 20:14 |
| gri | It's just for identity check I think | 20:15 |
| snowpong | http://support.publish.ovi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ovi-Store-Content-Guidelines-version-1.2-August-22-2011.pdf | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WHY THE FLYING F*CK would I need to identify to read their friggin https://publish.ovi.com/help/content_guidelines ???? | 20:16 |
| snowpong | can't be accessed? | 20:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: note that registration shall be free for you | 20:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: as a member of the #n950club | 20:17 |
| javispedro | (afaik) | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm upset | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | snowpong: yes, this one works | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | where from you got that URL? | 20:18 |
| javispedro | (under Fremantle app publishing rules:) "The application must launch in two seconds or less" whoa | 20:19 |
| snowpong | DocScrutinizer: http://support.publish.ovi.com/ first link there | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, so some fool got the wrong URL into that paper at https://p.d.ovi.com/p/g/ovistore_static/docs/Publisher_Guide.pdf?q=zVGvXkjWCt7piHnAaZYgVw | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | which btw is a link labeled "Nokia Publisher Documentation (pdf)" on http://info.publish.ovi.com/ | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and this doc has no info on how to get registered without paying that 1€ via credit card | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: where from is your info that it's free for n950club? | 20:25 |
| alterego | I've never heard of free ovi subscription .. | 20:25 |
| javispedro | I've heard it two times | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and is there additional info on how it's supposed to work to get registered for free? | 20:26 |
| javispedro | one during the Barcelona Long Weeked for Barcelona, and another time somewhere on the Launchpad docs | 20:26 |
| javispedro | s/for Barcelona/for the N900/ | 20:26 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: one during the Barcelona Long Weeked for the N900, and another time somewhere on the Launchpad docs | 20:26 |
| javispedro | ;P | 20:26 |
| javispedro | both were promises of free Ovi registration for Maemo/Meego devs... | 20:27 |
| javispedro | re Maemo one, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35955 (probably already deprecated by now...) | 20:27 |
| javispedro | can't find the launchpad one, but I'm quite sure I saw some mention of that while I was reading all the paperware there. | 20:30 |
| snowpong | javispedro: when registering now for publish.ovi.com (or whatever the link is now) do they require a credit card? | 20:33 |
| javispedro | I've not tried. | 20:34 |
| snowpong | javispedro: just try, if you manage to greate one I think you can just send a mail to ovipublishsupport saying "I'd like free publishing account and need uids/certificates" and you'll get it | 20:34 |
| * snowpong doesn't remember paying | 20:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | https://p.d.ovi.com/p/g/ovistore_static/docs/Publisher_Guide.pdf?q=zVGvXkjWCt7piHnAaZYgVw p10 >> 5. Click a credit card type: MasterCard, Diners club, Visa Electron, Visa, or American Express.<< | 20:35 |
| snowpong | also, giving bank credentials is only required when publishing non-free apps | 20:35 |
| javispedro | (not that I'm interested) | 20:35 |
| javispedro | if formeego.org doesn't materialize i'll just blow the dust off reprepro. | 20:36 |
| javispedro | it's funny that both topics in #meego and #harmattan seem to be app stores... | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | formeego.org is supposed to sign apps with a genuine Nokia key? | 20:38 |
| javispedro | HAH! | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | CBA to even ask that on FMC | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | When someone swipes your app down to quit it, what even is your Qt code getting??? | 20:57 |
| Sazpaimon | i thought swiping down sends it to the background | 20:58 |
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| hiemanshu | RST38h: I think a closeEvent() | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Mhm, does not work for some reason...well, ok, will add printfs | 20:59 |
| javispedro | minimize | 20:59 |
| javispedro | don't really remember, but from an X11 point of view it's a pseudo-unstandard minimize event | 21:00 |
| javispedro | *remember what Qt does | 21:00 |
| Sazpaimon | wait, isnt there a setting to change the behavior of slide down to close instead of minimize? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly same as swipe-left|right|up | 21:01 |
| javispedro | oops | 21:02 |
| javispedro | I completely misread the question =) | 21:02 |
| * javispedro should go outside for a while | 21:02 | |
| Sazpaimon | is that setting even going to make it in the final firmware | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: o/ enjoy | 21:02 |
| hiemanshu | Sazpaimon: yes | 21:02 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: pseudo-unstandard what | 21:03 |
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| javispedro | hiemanshu: technically the window should be unmapped... | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | but, cya | 21:04 |
| hiemanshu | ciao | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | heya javispedro and cya | 21:05 |
| gri | Sazpaimon: Theres "SwipeManager" in ovi store to configure all four sides | 21:06 |
| Sazpaimon | thasts pretty cool i guess | 21:08 |
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| npm | omg a jumbo n950 :-) http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePadSlider/ | 21:15 |
| hiemanshu | looks nice | 21:18 |
| hiemanshu | but android :/ | 21:18 |
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| mzanetti | some time ago I stumbled over some docs on how to create an accounts-plugin for harmattan... I just can't find it any more... | 21:45 |
| mzanetti | anyone knows where that is? | 21:45 |
| gri | mzanetti: What exactly are you trying? I've created a half one :) | 21:45 |
| mzanetti | gri: I wanted to look into how much work it is to create an accounts-plugin for jabber | 21:46 |
| mzanetti | all it should take are some QML files I guess | 21:46 |
| gri | Wrong | 21:46 |
| mzanetti | given that chatting using jabber already works | 21:46 |
| gri | accounts-ui is from nokia and therefore mtf and not qml | 21:46 |
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| mzanetti | gri: but still Qt, right? | 21:47 |
| gri | Yes, but that has not much to do with it | 21:47 |
| gri | the mtf version implements very much but has very little documentation | 21:47 |
| mzanetti | gri: anyways... I don' mind writing C/C++... It's only the login screen and some little other details to provide | 21:48 |
| gri | So jabber should be realizable out of the box by creating some .provider and .service files | 21:48 |
| mzanetti | yeah... I have it running | 21:48 |
| gri | I have not understood this and created a qml gui for my accounts :) | 21:48 |
| hiemanshu | mzanetti: its in the dev library, under meego | 21:49 |
| mzanetti | so far I have only added my jabber account using mc-tool | 21:49 |
| hiemanshu | cant remember the exact place though | 21:49 |
| gri | I was a little bit in contact with the guy who wrote the accounts-ui until he resigned from nokia :/ | 21:50 |
| gri | (good sign :P) | 21:50 |
| gri | libaccounts-ui is opensource but still strange | 21:51 |
| mzanetti | hiemanshu: I only could find the said links to the source code in the developer library... no real docs. | 21:51 |
| mzanetti | hiemanshu: iirc it was something with "beta" in the url back then | 21:52 |
| mzanetti | lol... at least there are ui guidelines for it: http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Accounts.html | 21:54 |
| hiemanshu | its also a part of Qt Creator if you have the documentation installed | 21:54 |
| gri | mzanetti: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccounts-ui/blobs/master/lib/doc/src/plugin-guide.dox | 21:55 |
| gri | I've never found this documentation somewhere else .. | 21:55 |
| mzanetti | gri: oh yeah... thats the text... thanks | 21:56 |
| gri | mzanetti: The .service file should be enaugh to setup a telepathy service | 21:56 |
| gri | erm account | 21:56 |
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| mzanetti | gri: some time ago I had found this exact docs in a real docs website... labeled "beta" though | 21:57 |
| hiemanshu | mzanetti: MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan beta docs, yes, they are off the Forum Nokia library, you can still find them in Qt Creator though | 21:59 |
| mzanetti | hiemanshu: oh! now I see... | 22:00 |
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| gri | mzanetti: The facebook chat is also using jabber | 22:01 |
| gri | so you could simply copy the files | 22:01 |
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| mzanetti | gri: yep, I'll try that | 22:09 |
| gri | I just tried and got the ui up but ends with "account storing undefined" | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | if only someone could port mappero :/ | 22:27 |
| mzanetti | gri: how do you get the services to be reloaded? | 22:29 |
| mzanetti | I have deleted the picasa service and rebooted the device... still here but mine doesn't appear | 22:30 |
| gri | mzanetti: .service files are the backend, .provider files are what you see in "accounts" | 22:30 |
| gri | if you don't add a provider file for gtalk, you won't see anything | 22:30 |
| mzanetti | gri: d'oh | 22:30 |
| mzanetti | gri: thanks :) | 22:30 |
| gri | no need to reboot | 22:30 |
| gri | Gah, sometimes qt-components REALLY suck! So much code only to get the text I currently see on my screen while typing: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/10099/ | 22:41 |
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| TSCHAKeee | damn, the N9 has been remarked as "unavailable" on amazon. | 22:42 |
| berndhs | TSCHAKeee: they probably sold both available units | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | :'( | 22:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | this really is one big insult | 22:48 |
| berndhs | yeah | 22:48 |
| berndhs | it's a shame | 22:48 |
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| frals | gri: doesnt TextArea have platformPreedit.text available without all that hackery? | 22:48 |
| sivang | hi all | 22:48 |
| gri | frals: I need the position which is not exposed | 22:48 |
| sivang | I want to develop an N9 app with qt, that needs a web service backend. What would be a good choice? | 22:49 |
| sivang | is Django easy enough for that? | 22:49 |
| sivang | Is there anywhere an example for such for a rating mechanism that could be available from the handset? | 22:49 |
| frals | gri: position of what? | 22:49 |
| gri | frals: Position of the preedit | 22:49 |
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| gri | frals: As long as the user is typing and the word is "underlined", the word is not contained in TextArea.text | 22:50 |
| frals | yes, the word is in platformPreedit in that case | 22:50 |
| gri | right, and I want the text like the users sees it on his/her screen | 22:50 |
| gri | means TextArea.text + preedit at the correct position | 22:51 |
| frals | and cursorPosition is not the correct position i guess? | 22:51 |
| gri | uhm :) | 22:52 |
| gri | as I told in the post: there might be better solutions :D | 22:52 |
| gri | I've overseen that alias | 22:52 |
| frals | the whole js function to find the inputmethodobserver seems a bit overkill to me ;) | 22:53 |
| frals | since you have cursorPosition + platformPreedit.text :) | 22:53 |
| gri | atleast I've shown I know some js :P | 22:54 |
| frals | hehe, yeah | 22:54 |
| gri | will fix the code/post | 22:54 |
| frals | (working with qt-components daily ive become used to hacking around with component.children and component.resource ;)) | 22:55 |
| gri | strange, with changing to the alias the output is wrong :/ | 22:57 |
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| gri | Should not code after drinking beer ... | 22:59 |
| gri | frals: Thank you for pointing that out, it works now | 23:02 |
| frals | gri: happy to help :) | 23:02 |
| frals | gri: for the record, try avoid javascripts in your components, they are memory and performance hogs :-) | 23:02 |
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| gri | frals: I do most things in c++ when possible ... since you're there, any idea about that? http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/10071 | 23:03 |
| frals | gri: not really sure what you are after there... getting a bit tired over here ;) | 23:05 |
| gri | frals: I have a QContact instance in my c++ backend and since QtMobility has a QDeclarativeContact I'm looking for a way to create an instance of QDeclarativeContact with my QContact and give this to qml | 23:06 |
| frals | oh | 23:07 |
| gri | If qml is as cool as advertised, this should be possible | 23:07 |
| gri | otherwise it's plain hell to mix c++ and qml :) | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | how so? | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | we do it all the time with our software | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's the only way we could ever do it. | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 23:09 |
| frals | gri: just create the QDeclContact using the neat constructor taking a qcontact and export it to qml? | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | once you understand how properties are passed back and forth between C++ and QML, the rest is just cake. | 23:10 |
| gri | frals: The class is not exported nor in any public api | 23:10 |
| frals | oh it was _p.h | 23:10 |
| gri | TSCHAKeee: there is no QMetaObject information on the functions I'm interested in | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | so make some. | 23:11 |
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| frals | gri: not sure if qdeclarativecontact was designed to be used by a c++ backend tbh | 23:11 |
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| gri | doesn't help me since I can't replace QtMobility on device :) | 23:11 |
| gri | frals: They have the functions and they do exactly what I want in their code | 23:11 |
| * w00t is still confused about what you're trying to do | 23:12 | |
| frals | yeah totally confused now | 23:12 |
| frals | guess its time to go to bed, im suppose to shoot my colleagues tomorrow \o/ | 23:13 |
| * w00t heads off to bed too | 23:13 | |
| frals | gnite and good luck gri ;) | 23:13 |
| gri | I just want to use the setContact() function of QDeclarativeContact | 23:13 |
| gri | frals: thanks | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | anyone need a hebrew keyboard layout? | 23:15 |
| gri | If you teach me hebrew :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: got a new N900? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, N900? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or just a layout that matches your dream keymat? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | why? I have 2 already | 23:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer glances at N950's keys and decides they are easy to relable but it will be fuggly as hell | 23:28 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://i54.tinypic.com/2w2igjp.jpg | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and kills backlight | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaaah vkbd :-D | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool stuff | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | get it into OVI, $0.99 ;-D | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, too late http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32202#post32202 | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, you might like that ^ | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | why too late? Aren't you allowed to sell apps in OVI that have been published elsewhere previously? | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | it took me 5 minutes to do | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure I should profit from that | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | profit, ha, nice word, I doubt I'd get one sale anyway | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is Nokia asking for money when you publish an app at OVI, regardless of the number of sales | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I *bet* you'll get at least 50 sales, as soon as N9 rolls out | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if Nokia ships N9 with a proper hebrew keymap ;-) | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's $50 | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey, that's a night of beer | 23:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yay | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually there might be users out there who prefer buying at OVI rather than getting it for free, so they know they own it and you got rewarded, or sth along that reasoning | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't look like it, they took out arabic | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | in 34-2 | 23:36 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: dude! | 23:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: is it available on pub ? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | think of it as a convenient way for users to donate | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, not yet, it's just a tar.gz | 23:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: how did you create the layout? | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | sivang, it's a simple XML file | 23:37 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: ah I see. I see you have too much free time, are teachers in Mechina not bad enough? :) | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, http://pastebin.com/QwC15Mwu | 23:38 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but OMGs you just made me happy, I have been looking for this | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, it's only hebrew for now | 23:38 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: what about Arabic? | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm free till we start Physics and stuff | 23:38 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: oh, what are you studying now? or is it for the holidays? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, that was in 22-6 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=31830&postcount=12 | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, Hebrew till 16/10 | 23:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so hebrew science writing? I hated this course.. So damn boring | 23:39 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I wonder if I'll know some of your teachers :) | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, just hebrew language | 23:40 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I meant for Physics and math. I hope you enjoy your stay in Haifa though | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | I think this should go in PM btw, a bit off topic here :p | 23:40 |
| sivang | true! :) | 23:40 |
| sivang | but makes all think this is really a cozy channel | 23:40 |
| sivang | full of love of community | 23:40 |
| sivang | ;) | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing is OT until somebody complains | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or channel gets so flooded that complaints would go unheard anyway | 23:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | . o O (at least abill_uk hasn't discovered IRC...or this channel...) | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | someone should work on that | 23:42 |
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| sivang | lol | 23:52 |
| sivang | so fellas, can someone recommend a ready made backend for storing data from handset on to the web? | 23:52 |
| sivang | I must have the backend before I start testing a QtQuick client on the handset. | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, NOOO | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | nooooo?? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: sync to Nokia account? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: or simply scp | 23:56 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: nahh, I need somewhere to store counts of stuff | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you lost me | 23:57 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: as a model I have been checking out Django but surely something must be available ready made. | 23:57 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: like, imagine I am counting cars in a stree, and I want to store the count to a server with a db somewhere on the internet through 3G data | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK! http://info.publish.ovi.com/ rapes my PC's CPU | 23:59 |
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