| lardman | alterego: I thought so, but couldn't be bothered to install it | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | hey lardman, alterego | 00:01 |
| * lardman crosses fingers that little Ella is now asleep | 00:01 | |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 00:01 |
| alterego | Aloha | 00:02 |
| lardman | hmm, REM have split | 00:02 |
| alterego | Yeah, shame | 00:03 |
| alterego | Well not really. | 00:03 |
| lardman | first time I've seen the news in days | 00:03 |
| alterego | They've been around so long | 00:03 |
| alterego | Probably good for them. | 00:04 |
| lardman | have been teaching a course, and trying to prepare for the next day every evening with the <1month old has been tiring | 00:04 |
| alterego | Get to live their lives. | 00:04 |
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| RST38h | lardman: ah, wait until she grows up to 10+months... | 00:04 |
| lardman | alterego: tbh I've not heard anything from them in like 10 years anyway, so I guess it makes little difference, other than for the tour crowd | 00:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: :) | 00:05 |
| RST38h | at least now she is not crawling or walking or tumbling anywhere | 00:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: is all good, just that she was 2 weeks late, so have had to head back to doing work things earlier than I had hoped | 00:05 |
| RST38h | also, their screaming capacity increases with age =) | 00:05 |
| lardman | oh dear! | 00:06 |
| lardman | ;) | 00:06 |
| alterego | It's sort of weird, I'm using my N950 as a wireless router right now .. | 00:07 |
| alterego | N900, netbook, exo and laptop all connected through the N950 | 00:08 |
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| lardman | ouch your data plan must be suffering! | 00:08 |
| alterego | unlimited :) | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | + that N950 can probably be used for heating too | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | mine too | 00:09 |
| lardman | well it is autumn so fair enough | 00:09 |
| lardman | sorry I should translate that to "fall" ;) | 00:09 |
| alterego | And it's pre pay so I pay 10 a month for top up. | 00:09 |
| alterego | Then Ig et unlimited sms and internet. | 00:09 |
| alterego | And 250 minutes. | 00:09 |
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| alterego | Anyway, it's quite reasonible, I'm scp'ing a meego ce image I downloaded in bed on my N900 to my laptop. | 00:11 |
| alterego | Through the N950 o_O | 00:11 |
| lardman | hmm, I had 6 weeks' of 2G only, am very glad to have broadband back | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Your landline finally got fixed? | 00:12 |
| lardman | yeah, they took their time | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:13 |
| lardman | had a couple of weeks of coding time, then baby arrived which has cut free time somewhat | 00:13 |
| lardman | ;) | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | They tend to do that. | 00:13 |
| lardman | not a bad thing of course | 00:13 |
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| RST38h | well, you are not breastfeeding, I hope... | 00:14 |
| lardman | no this is true, but I had to go to a conference last week, then presenting a course this week, and prep has been patchy what with the inability to string together more than an hour or two | 00:14 |
| lardman | they don't take up much time in total, it's just that the time they do take up is spread far too evenly across the day (and night) | 00:15 |
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| * lardman reads up on what FCam does re HDR as it would be a cool demo | 00:17 | |
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| rlinfati | the beta2 after a reboot is using 662mb of ram..... is normal ?? | 00:30 |
| rlinfati | ( prestart all? ) | 00:30 |
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| alterego | I have to say the new terminaal actually makes me like the N950 | 00:44 |
| alterego | Just need copy & paste | 00:44 |
| alterego | And to come up with a fix for the signal strength | 00:44 |
| javispedro | yeah, the terminal is great! | 00:46 |
| javispedro | re copy&paste, maybe we need to implement this at the QGraphicsView level... many applications sadly laking it :( | 00:46 |
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| * artemma switched to ssh from desktop a while ago, because terminal wasn't super great. Will give new one a try | 00:46 | |
| alterego | Yeah, might look at it myself | 00:47 |
| alterego | II think my signal issue is related to the screws | 00:48 |
| alterego | When I touch the bottom two my signal drops | 00:48 |
| javispedro | heh, mine increases =) | 00:48 |
| alterego | Damn you | 00:49 |
| alterego | I think I might do a tes0t with a couple of bits of duck tape. | 00:49 |
| alterego | Anyway, bedtime for me g'night | 00:51 |
| javispedro | gnite alterego | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Feedzilla needs killed. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I clicked on ovi store. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And found a lot of spam, so clicked on the author. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I lost count. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | So I can't say if it's over 150, or over 250 _pages_ of shit 'apps'. | 04:14 |
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| Milhouse | hmm... just had pulseaudio go nuts taking 100% CPU for no obvious reason. A tad worrying, had to kill it. | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm usure why my screen is now staying o | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | n | 05:05 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 08:17 |
| frals | moo | 08:30 |
| frals | http://potestas.frals.se/~frals/N9.jpg \o/ | 08:30 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 08:32 |
| dm8tbr | nice | 08:32 |
| w00t | frals: did you see my note that they're launching it here? \o/ | 08:32 |
| frals | w00t: didnt see it, but i had a feeling they would ;) | 08:32 |
| * w00t is going to buy 30 | 08:33 | |
| frals | w00t: ill catch you when i get to the office | 08:33 |
| w00t | o/ | 08:34 |
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| frals | o/ | 08:35 |
| jykae | anyone got landscape enabled for menu screen with new FW in n950? | 08:51 |
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| rzr | hi | 09:02 |
| rzr | RST38h: rm readline is done | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | remoo | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | anyone around who can give advice on loadinga ListView with a model from a c++ backend? | 09:10 |
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| rzr | any twitter user can try to dm rzrfreefr | 09:12 |
| rzr | sorry for breaking readline ask for dj he is the housekeeper of repo | 09:17 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: yup | 09:20 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: all you need is Chris's awesome blogpost :) http://cdumez.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-use-c-list-model-in-qml.html | 09:21 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i've done that, my question is actually how i can approach it from a different way | 09:23 |
| ieatlint | http://pastebin.com/S4vvAb4E is an example of what i mean | 09:23 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: ok, let's check | 09:23 |
| ieatlint | how can the mythical App class send a model to the QML viewer? | 09:23 |
| ieatlint | i had hoped by creating a slot that returned QAbstractItemModel* and calling it like app.getModel(), assigning its value to a ListView model, but it always returns undefined (despite it definitely returning a valid pointer) | 09:24 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: Q_PROPERTY macro has the NOTIFY parameter that allows you to expose a ignal into QML side | 09:25 |
| sandst1 | signal | 09:25 |
| ieatlint | will sending it via a signal make the difference instead of calling it via a slot? | 09:26 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: good question, i don't know.. would need to try to see what happens :) | 09:29 |
| ieatlint | haha, ok, i'll give it a go and hope for the best | 09:29 |
| sandst1 | ieatlint: do you have a code snippet of the approach you've already tried..? would be interested to see | 09:30 |
| ieatlint | already spent over an hour trying to get it to work... it's definitely making an object, but no matter what, the listview model is set to "undefined" | 09:30 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i can strip out the parts i can't show right now | 09:30 |
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| sandst1 | ok | 09:33 |
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| ieatlint | http://pastebin.com/TxRdj2Am | 09:41 |
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| ieatlint | the console log messages are shown, and qDebug messages in various places (including the model) show that it is created, but things like rowCount() and data() are never executed | 09:42 |
| w00t | why don't you just register a type for MainModel like you are for LateController? failing that, if you really must have it returned, try changing the return type to QObject - also, you can mark it Q_INVOKABLE instead of making it a slot, but that shouldn't make any difference | 09:44 |
| ieatlint | because LateController needs to influence what is put into MainModel | 09:45 |
| ieatlint | i'll try the QObject suggestion though | 09:45 |
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| sandst1 | ieatlint: also, it might be worth a shot of putting the mainModel as a member to the LateController, create the instance in the constructor etc, and expose the main model with Q_PROPERTY instead of getMainModel | 09:48 |
| ieatlint | ok | 09:48 |
| ieatlint | thanks, i'll return to my frustrated attempts in a bit :) | 09:51 |
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| sandst1 | :) | 09:52 |
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| mtd | any tips before I reflash my n950 to the latest firmware? | 10:08 |
| * mtd has done backups | 10:08 | |
| ieatlint | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Migrating_from_beta_1_to_beta_2 | 10:08 |
| mtd | ieatlint: thanks! | 10:09 |
| ieatlint | read before update, regular backups aren't enough | 10:09 |
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| * mtd wonders why SMS history will be lost - though it was in the tracker db | 10:28 | |
| mtd | s/though/thought/ | 10:28 |
| Milhouse | @mtd: Notes were also not part of the backup | 10:29 |
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| mtd | Milhouse: interesting, thanks | 10:36 |
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| djszapi | kimju: wow, I have just heard kernel.org was hacked... | 11:09 |
| djszapi | linus is hosting linux on github now :) | 11:09 |
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| mece | djszapi, again? | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Should have switched to OpenBSD... | 11:14 |
| mece | Isn't it FreeBSD? | 11:14 |
| mece | no.. hmm what's the difference? | 11:15 |
| RST38h | OpenBSD is more paranoid | 11:16 |
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| mece | yeah I read the cliff notes ;) | 11:16 |
| mece | the tinfoil hat distro | 11:17 |
| RST38h | more or less | 11:17 |
| RST38h | with a charming guy at the head | 11:17 |
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| kimju | djszapi, again? has it been online since the last break-in three weeks ago? | 11:45 |
| djszapi | kimju: it is the same story. I have not just read that yet. I had a lot to do recently with other things. :) | 11:46 |
| gri | djszapi: You know if it is purpose that develsh comes from "" instead of "com.nokia.maemo"? | 11:51 |
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| faenil | morning guyys :) | 12:04 |
| djszapi | hi faenil, when do you plan to arrive to Munich ? I am about to book the flights | 12:05 |
| faenil | hey that's a good question :) | 12:05 |
| faenil | I'm still deciding whether to arrive on 23 morning or 24 morning (both 6am) | 12:06 |
| faenil | arriving on 23rd would be ok for sightseeing, but I'd be alone | 12:06 |
| faenil | :) | 12:06 |
| djszapi | same with me, sightseeing would be better with someone :) | 12:06 |
| faenil | good :) then if that's ok to you, I'll book the train for 23rd morning :) | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | aegisfs using half my cpu time | 12:08 |
| djszapi | I need to construct the stand of our company on Sunday at some point, if it is my duty. | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | shall i kill it? | 12:08 |
| faenil | no problem for me, if that's what u're asking :) | 12:09 |
| faenil | unless that also requires NDA XD | 12:09 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: worth a try? :P | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | don't wanna malf it | 12:10 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I don't think it would cause troubles...but your call ;) | 12:10 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: I'm no aegis expert, so don't trust me too much :) just my opinion ;) | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | killing aegisfs wouldn't cause troubles? | 12:11 |
| faenil | MohammadAG: what I mean is I don't think you'll brick the phone, it will reboot or smthg like that maybe :) | 12:11 |
| djszapi | faenil: 139 EUR / Sunday night for the hotel, but I think it is okay, if the company pays :) | 12:12 |
| djszapi | but it is wow, this is the discounted price xD | 12:12 |
| faenil | djszapi: damn u :P | 12:13 |
| faenil | djszapi: I'll be back in my 11€/night hostel... :P | 12:13 |
| faenil | (which is wow too :D ) | 12:13 |
| jreznik | our FUDCon discounted price is 85 euros in Milano, quite expensive :) /me remembers Desktop Summit and hostel for 16.5 with S-Bahn behind the windows :) | 12:19 |
| djszapi | jreznik: which hostel in Berlin ? | 12:19 |
| jreznik | djszapi: MEININGER Hotel Berlin Hallesches Ufer | 12:20 |
| djszapi | ahh, I was staying at the city hostel. | 12:21 |
| jreznik | you know - drunk people, s-bahn but still it wasn't as bad and for that price :) | 12:21 |
| faenil | the one I'm going to is 11€ and it's rated 85% on websites XD Hope there's no scam there XD | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: just rats | 12:22 |
| faenil | that was part of the score :P | 12:23 |
| faenil | couldn't have reached that high with rats :) | 12:23 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yes, DS was fun altogether :) | 12:23 |
| jreznik | djszapi: yep, 6 people from our office, so it was a big party :) and many other red hatters from us but they don't talk to us :D | 12:27 |
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| djszapi | gri: develsh is actually not available in the public SDK, so probably that package is simply screwed up. Will report it to the SDK TPO dudes. | 12:28 |
| djszapi | to avoid the confusion, not available as in binary.. | 12:29 |
| gri | djszapi: What do we have if that's not the public sdk? | 12:29 |
| djszapi | gri: eh ? | 12:30 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/d/develsh/ -> How can I download the binary to install it on my N9 ? | 12:30 |
| djszapi | for helping you ? | 12:30 |
| gri | developer mode on the phone installs develsh and uses it as login shell for the developer user | 12:30 |
| djszapi | that is quite useless to me since I do not have N950 (not that I would like to have). | 12:31 |
| gri | so they made one bastard-sdk and one for the people they like (n9)? | 12:32 |
| sandst1 | djszapi: didn't you get one in the community dev program? | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | sandst1: I got, but it is normally not with me. | 12:32 |
| djszapi | gri: not sure what you mean | 12:32 |
| gri | djszapi: The developer mode on the n9 and n950 seems to be different then | 12:33 |
| djszapi | gri: well they are using different repositories, packages obviously since one is internal device and the other is not. | 12:33 |
| djszapi | one they fix the binary availability in that repository, I can help more.. | 12:35 |
| gri | Hmpf | 12:36 |
| gri | they removed the old packages | 12:36 |
| gri | develsh_1.13+0m6 was signed from "com.nokia.maemo", 1.14+0m6 comes from "" | 12:36 |
| gri | E: Version '1.13+0m6' for 'develsh' was not found | 12:36 |
| djszapi | that is why I said, it is screwed up, but I cannot be a much of help without physically having that package. | 12:37 |
| gri | It seems nobody got the old package | 12:37 |
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| gri | A friend of mine has it installed but can't download the package again | 12:38 |
| gri | (with beta1) | 12:38 |
| djszapi | I do not need the beta1 package. | 12:38 |
| gri | but I do since that has the right source | 12:38 |
| TheBootroo | hello all ! | 12:38 |
| TheBootroo | QUESTION : is the Harmattan Video Gallery app made with MeeGoTouchFramework or with QML Components ? | 12:39 |
| gri | mtf | 12:39 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 12:39 |
| TheBootroo | so we can't modify its appearance at all | 12:40 |
| gri | qt-components is ovi store, facebook and twitter | 12:40 |
| gri | (the gui part of them) | 12:40 |
| TheBootroo | and accuweather | 12:40 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Except of editing their css style files, you can't do much | 12:40 |
| TheBootroo | bad | 12:41 |
| TheBootroo | i find the video gallery particulary shitty | 12:41 |
| gri | rewrite it with qml ;) | 12:41 |
| gri | and put it onto meego-ce | 12:41 |
| TheBootroo | yes i will surely do | 12:41 |
| TheBootroo | but i have some troubles with QML MultimediaKit Video element | 12:42 |
| TheBootroo | if i listen to myself, i'm going to rewrite at least the video player and the music player | 12:45 |
| TheBootroo | to add them the rotation support | 12:45 |
| TheBootroo | and more complete UI | 12:45 |
| mece | well perhaps editing the css would add rotation support. | 12:46 |
| RST38h | There is already a couple of gallery apps around | 12:47 |
| RST38h | as to the video player, no idea why anyone would need portrait: videos are either 4:3 or 16:9 anyway | 12:48 |
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| khertan1 | Morning | 12:50 |
| ajalkane | notes is also qt components in beta2 | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: not portrait for player, but landscape for the gallery | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: all i want is to not have to rotate my phone 10 times in an app use | 12:52 |
| djszapi | gri: I was thinking of this develsh, and I think it is logical it is coming from unknown origin. | 12:53 |
| TheBootroo | an app should not have single orientation alternating, should be all portrait or all landscape, or all auto | 12:53 |
| khertan1 | or not | 12:53 |
| TheBootroo | that's the way i create all my apps, proof that it is feasable | 12:53 |
| djszapi | gri: actually, it is much better than in beta1, and it closes many security holes. | 12:53 |
| khertan1 | yep this beta 2 is really better | 12:54 |
| khertan1 | specially network | 12:54 |
| gri | djszapi: I don't care about the holes since no one will hack me, I just want to develop without the need to fight with aegis | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: O RLY ? for my part i feel my N950 drop moer easily network in lifts and buildings than in beta1 | 12:55 |
| gri | other platforms provide a working simulator, since harmattan fails at this, they should allow proper on-device testing | 12:55 |
| djszapi | gri: you do not, but other people do (including myself). Also it has nothing to do with fighting. | 12:55 |
| djszapi | gri: it takes no effenct on you actually. | 12:55 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: really ? each time in beta1 i lose network it wasn't always able to recover it (50%) | 12:57 |
| khertan1 | and it s works better in the train | 12:57 |
| khertan1 | gri: what the problem with the simulator ? it s works well | 12:57 |
| mece | yeah, I've noticed improvements in network in beta2 TheBootroo, khertan1 | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: network strenght update is very faster, but i found it more sensible too | 12:58 |
| khertan1 | i live in a low coverage zone | 12:58 |
| gri | khertan: the qt simulator? Try using harmattan things that require pkgconfig ... | 12:58 |
| khertan1 | gri: didn't use pkgconfig | 13:00 |
| khertan1 | :) | 13:00 |
| djszapi | pkgconfig... | 13:00 |
| gri | djszapi: I have the believe that when I buy a device I should be able to do what I want with it like a computer. That's why I got the n900 for example | 13:00 |
| gri | djszapi: When nokia stops supporting the n9, harmattan is screwed since no one can update "com.nokia.maemo" packages | 13:00 |
| djszapi | gri: do not buy N9, please. | 13:00 |
| khertan1 | gri: like n900 :) | 13:01 |
| gri | on the n900 you can update Qt, on the n9 you won't be able to do that | 13:01 |
| mece | khertan1, there's no signing required on N900. You can replace any package | 13:01 |
| khertan1 | mece, yeah except you don't have drivers sources :) | 13:02 |
| djszapi | I do not even understand what the complain is about. Seems like time wasting to me. There was a transparent security fix, which is even confied to unknown origin and this guy is telling "com.nokia.maemo" is not good, when it was actually changed from that. | 13:02 |
| gri | djszapi: Don't get it | 13:03 |
| djszapi | gri: you keep complaining even if we made a transparent security fix and actually according to your personal wish as well. What are complaining about ?? | 13:04 |
| djszapi | you* | 13:04 |
| mece | who si we? | 13:05 |
| mece | s/si/is/ | 13:05 |
| infobot | mece meant: who is we? | 13:05 |
| khertan1 | djszapi: are you paid to defends aegis against angry dev ? | 13:05 |
| gri | djszapi: I don't like that fact to throw away my hardware in one year when nokia decides to stop continuing harmattan. Maemo was cool because you had a working system where you can replace part if you don't like them. Harmattan is like all other systems: If support is gone, you can put your own (half-baked) software on the phone ... | 13:05 |
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| khertan1 | as it s look like your are wasting a large part of your time with that :) | 13:06 |
| djszapi | khertan1: I fair unfair seeing complaining people without /any/ knowledge, and degrading something according to their unskilled situation. | 13:06 |
| djszapi | feel* | 13:06 |
| khertan1 | djszapi: but as it s a feeling ... you fight all you can against, they will still have the same feeling | 13:06 |
| khertan1 | :) | 13:06 |
| djszapi | that is a very sad consequence... | 13:07 |
| TheBootroo | let hope in one year meego CE will be advanced enough to replace harmattan on the N9(50) | 13:07 |
| khertan1 | personnaly, i 'm happy seeing a security framework | 13:07 |
| khertan1 | but i still hope that some part are improved | 13:07 |
| khertan1 | s/are/will be | 13:08 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: me too but it lacks a control center to adjust autorisations, kinda like web service (facebook...) | 13:08 |
| mece | TheBootroo, exactly | 13:08 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: < or at least one to review given autorisation | 13:08 |
| djszapi | khertan1: but see ? Here is the guy saying something, we even acted according to his wish, and he still complains about that. Is it nice ? :) | 13:08 |
| djszapi | does it have any rationale ? :) | 13:09 |
| Venemo_webchat | good morning | 13:09 |
| khertan1 | 'lu Venemo_webchat | 13:09 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Yes, a security framework is good when you can change the authorizations but only having nokia at this place sucks | 13:09 |
| TheBootroo | gri: i +1 | 13:10 |
| TheBootroo | MeeGo CE needs a good authorisation system | 13:10 |
| TheBootroo | with the ability to disable it when developping / hacking | 13:10 |
| TheBootroo | a dev must know what he is doing | 13:11 |
| djszapi | disable what ? | 13:11 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: disable the security checks when hacking, and re-enable them later | 13:11 |
| djszapi | the environment who a system is supposed to work and then work in a fake environment ? | 13:11 |
| djszapi | how* | 13:11 |
| TheBootroo | kinda like the antiviruses on the computers | 13:11 |
| djszapi | and then hoping it will again work in the real environment ? | 13:11 |
| gri | wasn't that like it works on android? When you have a developer device with enabled developer mode, you can access the whole system and debug but all market apps are disabled? | 13:12 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i mean when you try to hack something, you must be able to disable the protection temporarly if it is too restricitve | 13:12 |
| gri | I would accept that :) | 13:12 |
| TheBootroo | gri +1 | 13:12 |
| TheBootroo | a UseMode and an DevMode/HackMode/GodMode | 13:13 |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: you are able to use the debugging tools ? | 13:13 |
| TheBootroo | day-to-day use -> UseMode, quick hack, module changing -> GodMOde | 13:13 |
| gri | we are not able to debug secretly hidden aegis-authorized dbus calls with dbus-monitor | 13:14 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: which one ? | 13:14 |
| djszapi | yes, and one just needs to get into that mode and he can do /anything/ with your system, he do not just regret ? | 13:14 |
| djszapi | does not* | 13:14 |
| TheBootroo | ? | 13:14 |
| TheBootroo | fuck yea* i did not understant what the heck you just said | 13:15 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 13:15 |
| TheBootroo | (like a boss, whatever) | 13:15 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 13:15 |
| gri | djszapi: Then make a switch to turn this on and off on the hardware or via usb on the computer | 13:15 |
| TheBootroo | gri: +1 | 13:16 |
| gri | or dual-boot screen whatever | 13:16 |
| Venemo_webchat | heh | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | ok guy, here in france its 12 AM so i go to eat | 13:17 |
| djszapi | yes, helps so much when you do not computer availability (for instance travelling or any case), and your computer is even more vulnerable than the phone, so you would actually really downgrade the security with that. Actually to the most minimal level. | 13:17 |
| TheBootroo | cul8r | 13:17 |
| smoku | TheBootroo: if the device user is able to disable the security check temporarly, what stops evil app impersonating the user to disable the security check temporarly, do evil things and reenable it? | 13:17 |
| Venemo_webchat | TheBootroo: bon apetite | 13:17 |
| TheBootroo | smoku: ask for PIN code or something | 13:17 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo_webchat: merci | 13:17 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo_webchat: ;-) | 13:17 |
| djszapi | PIN code :D :D :D | 13:17 |
| * TheBootroo is afk | 13:17 | |
| Venemo_webchat | TheBootroo: this is about the only few words I know in French :) | 13:18 |
| gri | djszapi: Our computers are not nuclear centrifuges where the CIA checks which phone is plugged on | 13:18 |
| Venemo_webchat | ttyl | 13:18 |
| djszapi | gri: you have seriously no idea about the minimal security. Do not take it offense, it is not a personal attack. | 13:18 |
| djszapi | gri: Could you please install a package on your computer I do for you ? I am not from the CIA or FBI. | 13:18 |
| smoku | TheBootroo: shared secret could be evesdropped | 13:18 |
| smoku | TheBootroo: that would only make the evil app to wait hidden until you enter it yourself | 13:19 |
| gri | djszapi: I think you get what we want. A developer image where we can put on and off security. That's not that hard. And if you don't trust it, provide a developer image for the whole phone where this can be turned on and off. So there's no fear for the normal user | 13:20 |
| gri | And now don't tell me a virus will reflash my phone with the developer image when attached | 13:20 |
| djszapi | gri: sorry, but I am not wasting my time with it really, do not take it offense. | 13:21 |
| djszapi | but I do not really have to describe the basics, if you think it is a good idea to put the security to the computer instead of the phone. | 13:21 |
| gri | I just want proper debugging and testing | 13:22 |
| gri | either on the phone | 13:22 |
| gri | or what seems to be more impossible for nokia: on a working environment on my pc (scratchbox or a simulator) | 13:22 |
| djszapi | look, people ported almost 300 packages without any hassle. | 13:22 |
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| djszapi | including myself 50-60. I ported a complete game development platform without any hassle (No, not because of my security understanding). | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | That's clearly the slow and boring way to make apps. | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | One vendor has over 250 pages of apps in the store... | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | All RSS feeds. | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 13:24 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: how many package have you ported ? Why do you not respect the community work in that ? | 13:24 |
| gri | I can beat that with my rss-feed-creator-bot :) | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: I was more pointing to the current spamminess of the store. | 13:24 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: ohh you by passed the current matter from one second to the other, okay. I was not talking about that. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | gri: Go for it! | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | gri: Search for every ESS on the internet, and drop it into the store. We need apps. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: Where are these apps btw? | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | RSS | 13:25 |
| gri | It's cool they even can set a price of 5 € for rss apps | 13:25 |
| faenil | main feeling is people expected a new n900 as Nokia seemed to advertise n9 as, and got a consumer device which does not suit their needs. That's it. | 13:26 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: our community repository | 13:26 |
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| vladest | hii | 13:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a list of repositories for harmattan somewhere? | 13:27 |
| joejoe | SpeedEvil, http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | 13:30 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, here's something: http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Development_Repositories | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks | 13:30 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: you do not know the rzr repo ? | 13:31 |
| djszapi | faenil: that is a sad and speculative consequence ? How much trouble did you have with security while making your UNI project ? | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: Real life has been getting in the way of having enough energy to investigate as I should. | 13:32 |
| smoku | faenil: not really. people advertised n9 as the new n900. nokia advertises it as a consumer device in the same league as new symbian devices. | 13:33 |
| faenil | djszapi: me nothing, I was playing with 3d graphics how could I have problems with security, that would have been weird :) | 13:34 |
| djszapi | 3d graphics uses low-level gpu... | 13:35 |
| faenil | yes but why on earth should a sec system give problems with that... | 13:35 |
| djszapi | frankly, I just feel this as feeding each other, like: "aegisfs eats 50% of CPI" and others. So many things like that without the real steps to be able to reproduce. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | and most of the time after helping a lot, the realizations, it is a pebkac. | 13:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | faenil: Low level hardware usually has access to RAM | 13:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | faenil: You can if you've got full control of the GPU access RAM at will, bypassing security completely. In addition, pretexting. | 13:37 |
| gri | djszapi: One step forward would be when aegis would tell the user what privileges he is missing instead of "permission denied" or other funny errors | 13:37 |
| djszapi | it does ? | 13:37 |
| gri | djszapi: Where? I've not seen this | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The user should neverhit permission errors, or the deev is doing something wierd. | 13:38 |
| djszapi | again, please do not make unskilled, but "serious" consequeces, really please. | 13:38 |
| djszapi | it is just the feeding of the "dislike aegis" group without real facts. | 13:38 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil: sure, you can do many evil things...what I meant was, that it would have been weird if using 3d graphics would have implied special security measures, because you don't need to do it anywhere | 13:38 |
| djszapi | it is basically the lack of understanding what this disliking was based on from the beginning. | 13:38 |
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| gri | djszapi: It's not a complete disliking of aegis, I think we all understand that security is needed | 13:39 |
| djszapi | gri: see your posts today ? 2-3 posts, degrading remarks for aegis. Reason ? Lack of your understanding! | 13:40 |
| faenil | I said what it is, it's people expecting N900 and getting a different thing, less hacking friendly | 13:40 |
| gri | It's only that apple feeling where the vendor decides what we are able to do | 13:40 |
| faenil | that doesn't mean the platform is not valid | 13:40 |
| djszapi | gri: shouldn't you start with humbleness and asking if you do not know how to do something ? I mean there are people for helps. | 13:40 |
| faenil | it's just devs were expecting something different.. | 13:40 |
| djszapi | faenil: we were porting 300 packages from the /base/ system. You cannot say that is not low-level enough without any issue | 13:43 |
| faenil | so you basically think people are complaining without a sense | 13:44 |
| djszapi | sorry, it is not offensive, but most of the time | 13:45 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 13:45 |
| djszapi | and where I saw sense, like aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec and other things, I tried to make it better. | 13:45 |
| faenil | but, you could not help more than that because you can't do everything... | 13:46 |
| djszapi | I am not deciding about open mode, I could not make that any better, BUT: I tried to cook with the current ingredients. | 13:46 |
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| djszapi | (if you asked some internals, they would probably confirm that, I fought a lot internally for open mode as well) | 13:47 |
| faenil | djszapi: I know...so there are problems you accept.. | 13:49 |
| faenil | like relaxed-exec, which are not thrivial...or am I wrong? | 13:49 |
| djszapi | quite a few things I do not accept about the decisions, like this, or developer signing tool we did was rejected, or the maintain scripts are still the sure place of the deny allow services and so forth | 13:50 |
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| djszapi | mmh, openssh binary is also missing: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/o/openssh/ | 13:56 |
| faenil | can you build it? | 13:56 |
| faenil | general you | 13:56 |
| djszapi | it seems they actually missed the tool binaries. | 13:57 |
| wazd | also, check out this font, it's really cool and we can use in for MeeGo :P http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans | 14:00 |
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| khertan1 | djszapi: it s not included in the firmware ? | 14:13 |
| * TheBootroo is back | 14:14 | |
| djszapi | khertan1: never said that. | 14:15 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: seriously can you imagine a noob hacker trying to dump ram using a gpu driver hole, all that using QML ???? SRLSY | 14:15 |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: game development is not just about graphics. | 14:15 |
| djszapi | I think you have a bit of misconception about game development. | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: not | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i only say that since harmattan apps have to be developped using QML, it limits extremely the access to low level things | 14:16 |
| djszapi | the is plain false | 14:17 |
| djszapi | more people developing MTF including myself, there is no "have to be". | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo | most of app dev will not ever type a single C++ line (and i don't like this idea) | 14:17 |
| djszapi | the platform is written mostly in C++ | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: MTF is deprecated, nokia himself says 'Use QtQuick Components only" | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i know that | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i'm a dev | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | i do C++ mainly | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | and i don't like QML very much | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | but be realistic, most apps will be dev using it, so no need to worry that much about these low level things | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | just let the real devs uses them if they want, by alowing the annoying aegis to be disabled | 14:19 |
| djszapi | "real dev" -> made my day ;) | 14:19 |
| TheBootroo | personnaly i just cried when i saw a root command returning 'Permission Denied' WTFFF | 14:19 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: by real i means the one who use C++ to access system, not just doing some QML fancy-fancy | 14:20 |
| djszapi | I do consider them "real dev" as well! | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: more like designer devs | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | and it's not an insult | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | only something different | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | you may have heard about my project 'LibMWTk' : its all about allowing this fancy stuff to be done in plain C++ without typing a single line of QML | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | because personnally i prefer the C++ to a declarative syntaxis | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | but everyone is free to chose | 14:22 |
| djszapi | MTF will be deprecated from a future version which is not here, probably never be and even if that was the case, the platform will not be rewritten by non-existing developers here, if that was make any sense. I do not personally think that would, though. | 14:22 |
| faenil | well I think using qml makes your life much easier, but still, you have to know what's behind it, and be able to write c++ extensions yourself... | 14:23 |
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| TheBootroo | faenil: from my experiences, i personnaly didn't found it a time gain or an ease, because i had to mix QML + JS + C++ to do finally less things that i would have done easily with my usual C++ classes .... the only reason of using QML was that i had not the choice, since QWidgets are not properly supported | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | so to solve my pb i started developping a C++ api which does all the QML tricks for me | 14:25 |
| TheBootroo | so now i can dev my programs in full C++ | 14:25 |
| khertan1 | djszapi: mtf ? did you see the result on harmattan ? | 14:25 |
| khertan1 | :) | 14:25 |
| TheBootroo | and they are compatible with all Qt supported plateforms, not only Harmattan like QtComponents for harmattan | 14:25 |
| djszapi | plateforms ? :) | 14:26 |
| djszapi | Harmattan is a good plate-form ? :) | 14:26 |
| faenil | TheBootroo: this way u're just saying qml apis are not complete...not that it's not easier ;) | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo | MTF was a cool idea, but the result is a fail | 14:26 |
| khertan1 | qml too ... good idea | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: not only, i say that i prefer Qt style dev than QML style dev | 14:27 |
| khertan1 | not mature enough | 14:27 |
| faenil | khertan1: agree, still needs time | 14:27 |
| khertan1 | i can admit it s a good things, even if i don't like it and prefer Qt style | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: a big project using QML is quickly unreadable and hard to debug | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: clearly | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | wait QML 2 | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo | maybe it will be a little better | 14:28 |
| faenil | I'm talking about qml for ui | 14:28 |
| faenil | not for eevrything ;) | 14:28 |
| faenil | it would make UI code reading much easier | 14:28 |
| khertan1 | and during this time, we mix qml with qgraphicproxywidget :) | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: even for the ui its far from complete | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: :X | 14:28 |
| faenil | agree | 14:28 |
| faenil | but don't look at what it is now :) | 14:28 |
| khertan1 | this is what i do for KhtEditor | 14:29 |
| khertan1 | no choice | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: the issue is that Nokia tell us 'you have to use it now' | 14:29 |
| faenil | my favourite combo atm is QML for UI and c++ for the rest | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | but what i miss the most is a real full access to QML classes into C++ | 14:29 |
| faenil | and devs who don't know c++ will do nothing with qml only | 14:29 |
| faenil | imho | 14:30 |
| khertan1 | faenil: not really | 14:30 |
| khertan1 | they can code in python too | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo | because we can subclass only QDeclarativeItem, not the child classes (TextEdit, MouseArea... etc) | 14:30 |
| jreznik | for simple mobile apps qt components are great... I threw out my plain Qt Symbian app, it wasn't worth the problems... | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: you are wrong, many designers have done apps in plain QML without knowing C++ (look at Tommi Laukkanen) | 14:30 |
| khertan1 | jreznik: except if you want text managment | 14:31 |
| faenil | is kasvopus qml only? | 14:31 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: kasvopus, twingo, nelisquare, meetodo .... | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: newsflow (that i heavily tweaked) | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | are all pure QML+JS | 14:32 |
| faenil | that's why perf is not max.. | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: classic troll | 14:32 |
| faenil | heavy use of js | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: but you are true | 14:32 |
| faenil | classic troll, but I'm right? then it's not troll :D | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: its a troll in the way it will launch a violent discussion, but in all troll at least one part is true | 14:33 |
| faenil | could not keep that xD | 14:33 |
| TheBootroo | i tweaked newsflow UI for harmattan, and now i will surely need to move the core to C++ since i need a better network query system | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | :;D | 14:34 |
| faenil | no the fact is I have nothing against twimgo, but from what all people say I would have imagined it to be smoother, and "better" ui | 14:34 |
| khertan1 | oh now i understand why twingo reload thigs everytime, is slow | 14:34 |
| khertan1 | and doesn't work well with sfr networks | 14:35 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: all tommi apps are quite great in the UI but core speed could be enhanced, but given the hardness of mixing C++ and QML, i understand he prefered to do the whole thing in QML | 14:35 |
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| gri | TheBootroo: Good point! Try mixing qt mobility c++ and declarative -> impossible! | 14:35 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: depends of your conception of great UI | 14:35 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: +1 | 14:36 |
| khertan1 | the main problem of qml is himself | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: for most people, its better than the basic | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: +1 | 14:36 |
| khertan1 | try to set the useragent | 14:36 |
| khertan1 | and the default user agent use isn't allowed to be used on SFR 3G Networks | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | i want to do a queued multithreaded network requester for my Google Reader client -> can't use JS only | 14:37 |
| khertan1 | so ... twimgo didn't load image | 14:37 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: c++ or python | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | python is as slow as JS, its the same idea : script engine | 14:37 |
| khertan1 | as slow ... hum | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | and i don't like python syntaxis and its management of the objects | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: almost | 14:38 |
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| khertan1 | did you know that most time is used waiting user event or in module coded in c | 14:38 |
| khertan1 | ? | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | look at that : https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Uf634QVDjxc/Tnpjc1vSugI/AAAAAAAAAJw/PEoWqYJZisk/s800/NewsFlow.png* | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | look at that : https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Uf634QVDjxc/Tnpjc1vSugI/AAAAAAAAAJw/PEoWqYJZisk/s800/NewsFlow.png | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | its the new UI for newsFlow, adapated for Harmattan | 14:39 |
| khertan1 | are you a fan of black and white ? | 14:39 |
| khertan1 | :) | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo | i will now work on enhancing the network core | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: not specially a fan, i only follow the default harmattan style for dark and bright themes | 14:40 |
| khertan1 | no alternate color ? | 14:40 |
| khertan1 | for row | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | and that's not real black, its #222222 | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: nope | 14:40 |
| khertan1 | indeed there isn't in the default theme | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | the alternate color is for the parent item : the tag | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | a little brighter | 14:41 |
| khertan1 | ah ... indeed the screenshot didn't render it | 14:41 |
| djszapi | faenil: where is your hotel exactly in Munich ? | 14:41 |
| faenil | youth hostel :) | 14:42 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: it s me or the menu didn't follow the theme color ? | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: wait a little yet, i need to fix the core and then i will make an harmattan package | 14:42 |
| khertan1 | :) | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: yes i need to do a dark version of the menu gradient | 14:42 |
| khertan1 | i'm not in hurry ... not an user | 14:42 |
| khertan1 | just making suggest :) | 14:42 |
| djszapi | faenil: address ? | 14:43 |
| faenil | don't remember, let me look up the website | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: and i listen to you | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: did you saw my project's website ? | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | http://mynokian950.blogspot.com/ | 14:43 |
| khertan1 | nope ... let see it :) | 14:43 |
| faenil | http://www.euro-youth-hotel.de/de/location/ | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: its the famous project aiming to provide a full but easy to use C++ api for creating mobile app using declarative componenst | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: close to first beta public release | 14:45 |
| TheBootroo | khertan1: and the api docuementation is already only | 14:45 |
| TheBootroo | *online | 14:45 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Wow! I would prefer to use c++ only :) | 14:45 |
| gri | *reading* | 14:45 |
| TheBootroo | gri: that's the fial aim | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | *final | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | i am glad to finally find someone who see the point of a such project | 14:46 |
| djszapi | faenil: 54 minutes travelling from my hostel which is close to the event I guess. | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 14:46 |
| faenil | whaaat? | 14:47 |
| faenil | 54minuts? | 14:47 |
| faenil | no way | 14:47 |
| djszapi | my hotel* | 14:47 |
| TheBootroo | gri: khertan1: you can find the doc here http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/LibMWTk/doc/html/index.html | 14:47 |
| faenil | if your hotel is the one on qt dev days page | 14:47 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Do your classes use different styles on different platforms? | 14:47 |
| faenil | than it's the one where conference is held afaik | 14:47 |
| gri | TheBootroo: like automatically placing the back button on bottom left on harmattan | 14:47 |
| TheBootroo | not | 14:48 |
| faenil | and it's 20min away from centre of munich, where my hostel is | 14:48 |
| faenil | afaik | 14:48 |
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| djszapi | faenil: well, have you checked the munich journey planner ? | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | gri: the aim is not to mimic the host look and feel | 14:48 |
| djszapi | http://efa.mvv-muenchen.de/mvv/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en -> Andreas-Danzer-Weg 1 - senefelderstr 5 | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | gri: but to provide the best possible look no matter the plateform | 14:48 |
| faenil | nope I have asked my german roomate to check for public transport fees and timetables :D | 14:48 |
| gri | TheBootroo: ok | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | gri: i have taken most of the guideline from the MeeGo Ui Guidelines | 14:49 |
| gri | TheBootroo: You know the imtk lib? | 14:49 |
| djszapi | faenil: try it out yourself, it is 54 minutes for me. | 14:49 |
| TheBootroo | gri: and some of my own thoughs, like placing the toolbar on the right in landscape to optimize the screen use | 14:49 |
| khertan1 | TheBootroo: http://khertan.net/_media/20110922121812.png?cache=&w=854&h=480 <<< khteditor on harmattan | 14:49 |
| khertan1 | :) | 14:49 |
| faenil | 54minutes by what? | 14:49 |
| TheBootroo | gri: dunno imtk | 14:49 |
| djszapi | faenil: public transport (not taxi) | 14:50 |
| faenil | I should get the speed train, and then wal | 14:50 |
| faenil | walk | 14:50 |
| TheBootroo | gri: found their gitorious repos, seems pretty dead now | 14:51 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Yes, it was used for the first phone examples: http://vimeo.com/9655081 | 14:51 |
| gri | those are also running on the n900 | 14:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | meh! | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | gri: did you see the automatical list manager for MWTk on my blog ? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rmmb4MsUGNg/TleWzc98fGI/AAAAAAAAAJg/m3SRmbDrAG0/s1600/screen_listmanager.png | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | the doc is here :http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/LibMWTk/doc/html/de/d6a/class_m_w_tk___entry_list_manager.html | 14:52 |
| djszapi | faenil: at any rate, when can you arrive on Sunday ? | 14:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | mfe account plugin has no option to sync all messages in 34-2 | 14:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | it definitely had that in 22-6 | 14:53 |
| faenil | 06:30 am | 14:53 |
| djszapi | faenil: I could be there around 1-2 | 14:55 |
| djszapi | pm :) | 14:55 |
| faenil | should be able to survive :) lol | 14:55 |
| gri | TheBootroo: You're documenting very well :) | 14:55 |
| TheBootroo | gri: thanks | 14:56 |
| TheBootroo | gri: PS english is not my native language but i try to do my best | 14:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | anyone else missing this option? | 14:57 |
| faenil | my n950 is not connecting to wifi anymore :) | 15:00 |
| TheBootroo | gri: if you have qtcreator on your computer, you can try the demo app by simply pull my gitorious and compile it on you computer, the projet aimsto provide an api fully usable on a computer with exactly the same look as on the device | 15:00 |
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| gri | Are ssh keys stored at another location than ~/.ssh? Can't upload to gitorious anymore since I accidentally created a new key. Gitorious tells me permission denied no mather what key I use (of course all are added on the site) | 15:02 |
| TheBootroo | gri: just create a new one and upload it on gitorious | 15:02 |
| gri | Already tried that | 15:02 |
| TheBootroo | gri: worked for me when i got the same problem weeks ago | 15:02 |
| gri | I receive the same message when I delete .ssh completely | 15:03 |
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| gri | Strange, now it works without any change o_O | 15:06 |
| faenil | djszapi: let me know if you decide to book for 23, so that I can book train, thanks ;) | 15:09 |
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| djszapi | faenil: I will fly on Sunday, but not sure about the time. Otherwise I should wake up very early on Monday :p | 15:17 |
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| TheBootroo | gri: done : fixed the dark theme menu | 15:28 |
| gri | TheBootroo: Do you know if there's a way to make QtCreator accept a custom debian directory instead of using qtc_packaging? | 15:32 |
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| TheBootroo | gri: no | 15:33 |
| TheBootroo | sry | 15:33 |
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| djszapi | faenil: we will miss the octoberfest though =) | 15:36 |
| TheBootroo | gri: i just finely tunned the color balance in both modes, so the difference between items is more obvious | 15:43 |
| TheBootroo | gri: ping! | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | gri: following your observations i enhanced the themes : http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2750/newsflowtheme.png | 15:51 |
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| CepiPerez | hello guys | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo | CepiPerez: hello guy | 16:02 |
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| CepiPerez | i've followed MAG's tip to get the skype ui from n9 rda, but all I get is a blank screen | 16:03 |
| CepiPerez | can yo help me? | 16:04 |
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| CepiPerez | I get galaxy on fire and need for speed with no problems, but can't make skype work | 16:04 |
| faenil | djszapi: yeah oktoberfest finishes on 3rd :) | 16:06 |
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| dimitar | hi all, has anybody had problems flashing n950 | 16:09 |
| dimitar | the rootfs part specifically | 16:09 |
| dimitar | bb5_rdc_cert_read | 16:10 |
| dimitar | SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ | 16:10 |
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| gri | TheBootroo: What did I observe? :) | 16:17 |
| TheBootroo | gri: the difference of color between rows | 16:21 |
| TheBootroo | and the fact than menu doesn't follow theme | 16:21 |
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| arcean | dimitar: yes, try another distro or Windows ;) | 16:23 |
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| dimitar | arcean: did you get the same issue? | 16:24 |
| gri | TheBootroo: That wasn't me | 16:25 |
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| TheBootroo | gri: rly ? | 16:26 |
| dimitar | arcean: problem is i have no windows around and have some old mac osx, what distro wuld you reccomend? | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | gri: oh ur true ! that was khertan1 | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | who is interested by a package of NewsFlow ? (no new core yet) | 16:27 |
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| Venemo_webchat | hi | 16:28 |
| hiemanshu | TheBootroo: NewsFlow is a the Google Reader correct? | 16:30 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: true | 16:30 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: its a modified version of tlaukkanen app | 16:30 |
| TheBootroo | by me :D | 16:30 |
| hiemanshu | modified what way? | 16:30 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: the whole UI | 16:30 |
| TheBootroo | harmattanized | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo | and enhanced | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo | bigger rows, more clickable using finger | 16:31 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo | number of unread items | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo | in bubbles | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo | quick title menu to switch modes | 16:32 |
| TheBootroo | unified flat tree for tags and feeds | 16:32 |
| arcean | dimitar: It is said, that current versions of the distros such as Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu etc have problems | 16:32 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: and many other improvements | 16:33 |
| arcean | dimitar: maybe try to flash under OS X | 16:33 |
| TheBootroo | better readability | 16:33 |
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| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: do you want to test it ? | 16:33 |
| hiemanshu | TheBootroo: maybe later I will | 16:34 |
| gri | arcean: I flashed with a Ubuntu 11.04 32 bit in vmware yesterday, worked without errors | 16:34 |
| dimitar | arcean: do you have in mind specifically the flashing rather than the detection of the device? | 16:34 |
| arcean | dimitar: the whole process | 16:35 |
| Venemo_webchat | arcean: workedforme, I flashed from my MeeGo netbook :) | 16:35 |
| arcean | Venemo_webchat: yes, on MeeGo it works but not on Fedora 15 :P | 16:35 |
| Venemo_webchat | weird | 16:35 |
| Venemo_webchat | I don't see why not | 16:35 |
| TheBootroo | hum | 16:36 |
| arcean | Venemo_webchat: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-21.log.html#t2011-09-21T16:32:46 | 16:36 |
| Venemo_webchat | weird | 16:36 |
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| TheBootroo | i don't know why, when i install my package, the icon disappears and i need to reboot to see it back... any1 has the pb ? | 16:36 |
| dimitar | arcean: thanks will give osx a try | 16:37 |
| arcean | dimitar: let us know if it worked :) | 16:37 |
| TheBootroo | ok guys i go to coffee with a collegue, will be back in 10 minutes | 16:39 |
| Venemo_webchat | :) | 16:40 |
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| kkito | Do you know how to view the mobile version (iphone/android) of gmail on the n950? | 16:51 |
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| djszapi | the point is not that tool or flasher should disable the security, but I think it should be tied to certain devices. | 16:53 |
| djszapi | it is /not/ feasible for end users, if the security can be turned off | 16:54 |
| djszapi | I do not understand why the current way is not enough, but if that is the case, probably t here should be N950 specific solution for this | 16:54 |
| artemma | Funny ovi store reports tell that my Easy Discount Calculator was bought for some Symbian3 devices | 16:57 |
| artemma | The fun part is that so far we published Harmattan version only :) | 16:57 |
| djszapi | or at least some user interaction like it was discussed the previous days with the high things.. | 16:57 |
| djszapi | high rate call things, no real option for background control. | 16:58 |
| khertan1 | kkito: use the iphone user agent with fennec | 16:59 |
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| * TheBootroo is back | 17:01 | |
| mece | hej turns out you can initiate gtalk and skype calls fron N950 beta2 after all. | 17:02 |
| mece | and they work very well | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | the n950's browser is a bit impressive now | 17:02 |
| mece | MohammadAG, how so? | 17:03 |
| macmaN_ | utf8 problems in Calendar have been fixed | 17:03 |
| macmaN_ | re caldav sync | 17:03 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: yeah but it fails to render some pages somethimes and says 'Web Process Crashed' | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, can you patch irc chatter | 17:03 |
| mece | I've not had that problem since the update | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | mece crashes less | 17:03 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: for what? | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | mece, login to meego.com for your first crash | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, reimplement closeEvent() | 17:04 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and? | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes i swipe down by mistake | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | closeEvent() should reactivate the window | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | and ask are you sure you want to close irc chatter? | 17:05 |
| hiemanshu | hmmm | 17:05 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | like fennec/dialer etc | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, you can also initiate skype calls from the dialer | 17:05 |
| mece | MohammadAG, wasn't that what I said | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | i like how the whole top area changes to blue with skype | 17:05 |
| mece | MohammadAG, I don't think that happens without the plugin | 17:06 |
| mece | MohammadAG, what color is it for gtalk? | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | mece, gtalk doesn't have c!asses | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | call option* | 17:09 |
| mece | okay | 17:09 |
| mece | I called with gtalk a few minutes ago | 17:09 |
| mece | google voice might be the real name of the service. well google anyway | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | i pulled all google packages | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | mece: google voice != gtalk voip | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | none of them add an initiate call feature | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | add me, i'll see if it adds a call icon next to your name | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | google voice is not XMPP, gtalk VOIP uses Jingle plugin for XMPP | 17:10 |
| mece | ok... well I made a call over gtalk account | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad7410 at gmail dot com | 17:11 |
| mece | ok so then I made a call over xmpp apparently | 17:11 |
| mece | MohammadAG, ok hold on | 17:11 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i have trouble with google plugin : i can't add an account, it says 'Unknown error, retry later' | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | authorization request | 17:12 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: wut ? | 17:12 |
| mece | TheBootroo, what commands did you use? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | mece there's a call button in contacts, nothing in dialer | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | can gtalk call landlines/mobiles? | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | mece: i only get the files from RDA | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: not | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: that is google voice to call phones | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: google talk is like msn, google voice is like skype Out | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | got it :) | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | don't use either but yeah... | 17:14 |
| mece | yeah.. well I meant like skype in.. | 17:14 |
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| TheBootroo | google talk = skype in yeah | 17:14 |
| TheBootroo | personnaly i prefer gtalk to skype, better quality, lighter, better video | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | does it have free video calls? | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | group video calls | 17:15 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: any idea for my pb with google-plugin ? | 17:15 |
| mece | MohammadAG, anyway, if I look for you in dialer contacts, I can make a call from there.. like this | 17:15 |
| mece | you don't have to answer. | 17:15 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: group video using GTalk through Google+ | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | mece, on a slow connection | 17:16 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: could you send me the files you have for google-plugin, maybe i miss one or two | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, nice! | 17:16 |
| mece | MohammadAG, well regardless, it works. | 17:16 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: do you have google+ account ? | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, can you wait till i get home? | 17:17 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: yeah no pb, | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, yeah | 17:17 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: what is your name on g+ ? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | mece, yep, but it used Nokia tune rather than my ringtone | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | mece call again, wanna see if this is a bug or sth | 17:17 |
| mece | ok hold on, I went offline on the phone already | 17:18 |
| mece | heh weird bug, if I try to call from called/received/missed list it says account has been disabled. | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it's a bug | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | uses Nokia tune as the ringtone | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | so the n950 doesn't choke when i get a call | 17:20 |
| mece | MohammadAG, is it the same for skype? | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | either that or Moe | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | mece not afaik | 17:20 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: found you | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, lol | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | echo-chinese no longer working? | 17:22 |
| mece | MohammadAG, but do you have the plugin for gtalk, or did you just use mc-tool? | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | mece, plugin | 17:22 |
| mece | hmpf | 17:22 |
| mece | well a bug it is | 17:22 |
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| TheBootroo | mece: find the solution you will | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | mece, ring me on skype | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | afaik you have me already | 17:22 |
| TheBootroo | mece: may the force be with you | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | if not mohammad9630 | 17:23 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i had you on Twitter | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, it's me if that was you | 17:23 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: ? | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | TheBootroo, did you ask if that was me? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | oh, coincidences | 17:24 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 17:24 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, calling | 17:25 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i added you in my circles and asked for chat invite | 17:25 |
| mece | hmm I need to be authorized I think. I have two of you in the list already MohammadAG :) | 17:26 |
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| MohammadAG | nothing on the n950 | 17:27 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: are you speakin to me ? | 17:28 |
| mece | hmm.. well that's annoying. Are there more accounts than mohammadag_n900 and mohammad9630? | 17:28 |
| gri | Wohooo, my contacts are not lost ... it seems I synced them to ovi once and now got them back :) | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | mece, no incoming calls either | 17:29 |
| mece | I don't think i can call without being authorized tho.. | 17:30 |
| mece | add me | 17:30 |
| mece | Mece66 | 17:30 |
| mece | on skype | 17:30 |
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| MohammadAG | mece no auth requests :p | 17:31 |
| mece | annoying | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | mohammadag_n900 was a fix for the sign in issue | 17:32 |
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| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: does only the N950 handle request ? | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | where you had to login on another account and log back out to fix it | 17:32 |
| mece | seems to work now.,. | 17:33 |
| mece | hah gave me your phonenumber too, lol | 17:34 |
| mece | ok, calling (on skype) | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | mece yeah, nokia tune for anything other than voice calls | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 17:34 |
| * mece waits | 17:34 | |
| MohammadAG | lol that was stupid of me | 17:34 |
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| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: maybe you change in the settings | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | internet ringtones are different, can be changed in settings | 17:35 |
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| TheBootroo | hehe | 17:35 |
| TheBootroo | usefull | 17:35 |
| mece | woot! | 17:35 |
| TheBootroo | mece: wut ? | 17:36 |
| mece | lemme see if I can do that too | 17:36 |
| mece | just that they can be separately changed | 17:36 |
| mece | is nice | 17:36 |
| TheBootroo | mece: without the plugin maybe not | 17:36 |
| mece | TheBootroo, yes, works without plugin too | 17:36 |
| mece | :) | 17:36 |
| TheBootroo | cool | 17:37 |
| mece | afk for a bit. | 17:37 |
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| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i go home, i'll try to come here later so you can ping me at this moment | 17:54 |
| TheBootroo | bye | 17:56 |
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| macmaN_ | DocScrutinizer: tested multibutton headset remote control today. all buttons work on beta2. | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | great. I checked the N9 schematics and found there's no fancy additional gear at all about communicating to multibutton-hs, just the twl5030 with a pin called HSMIC_DC (probably Digital Communication) | 18:05 |
| vladest | where to get latest usb driver for n950? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so with a datasheet for twl5030 and the sources of the maemo driver for that multibutton stuff we should get it working finally for fremantle as well | 18:06 |
| vladest | I have a strange issue: qDebug() messages stopped flowing from device after some time | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised if this question wouldn't see any answer | 18:07 |
| * vladest too | 18:10 | |
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| alterego | vladest: you mean, your executed your app, your were getting debug messages, your app is still running but no longer outputing messages? | 18:11 |
| vladest | alterego: exactly! | 18:11 |
| alterego | Gutted :P | 18:11 |
| alterego | Can't say I've heard of that happening before. | 18:12 |
| alterego | And you're sure your app is running as it should otherwise? | 18:12 |
| vladest | yes | 18:12 |
| alterego | crazy | 18:12 |
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| vladest | but w/o debug messages | 18:12 |
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| dimitar | the flasher won't work on osx 10.4 | 18:18 |
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| dimitar | would someone who suceeded flashing the n950 on linux say what disto/version was used | 18:19 |
| crevetor | dimitar: ubuntu 11.04 | 18:20 |
| dimitar | crevetor: thanks | 18:21 |
| dimitar | arcean: did you mention all recen't versions of suse, fedora, ubuntu cause problems? | 18:22 |
| dimitar | to clarify the os x 10.4 is just too old and the flasher binary refuses to execute | 18:23 |
| arcean | dimitar: it looks like that | 18:24 |
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| alterego | dimitar: I did same as crevetor but 64bit | 18:26 |
| crevetor | 64bit too here | 18:26 |
| alterego | Just use an ubuntu live stick | 18:26 |
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| alterego | Think I might poke about the terminal source and see if I can get http links working, or come up with a cut&paste | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dimitar: suse11.3 | 18:28 |
| arcean | dimitar: and avoid ubuntu 11.10 | 18:28 |
| berndhs | dimitar: meego netbook | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: BOTH!! :-D | 18:29 |
| ph0b | dimitar: archlinux x64 | 18:29 |
| dimitar | i see :) thank you all will try suse 11.3 as i have 11.4 x64 alrady then see the others. | 18:30 |
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| berndhs | it's sort of ironic that, to update the device with all the trusted-computing stuff, you have to download a random binary and run it as root | 18:32 |
| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i'm back | 18:33 |
| leinir | 64bit opensuse 11.4 failed really badly... | 18:33 |
| leinir | berndhs: Hehe, yes, that /is/ kind of funny ;) | 18:33 |
| dimitar | irony indeed | 18:38 |
| alterego | Looks like RZR has implemented copy&paste already. | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: It's about (dis)trust in *you*, the user, so you downloading random stuff and flashing it is fine as long as it makes sure it's not _your_ stuff that gets flashed ;-P | 18:39 |
| alterego | And there is support for URLs .. | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: quite obviously the source of your random binary had to possess the signature private key that matches the public key buried in your "TPM" otherwise flasher would refuse to flash the firmware to device | 18:41 |
| berndhs | right, and nevermind what it might do to your host system :) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: note that not even legit Nokia images can flash to *your* N950 if they had been signed for use on R&D-N950 only | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: right, who cares about host systems :-P | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all they don't have awesome acme aegis stuff, so it serves them right to get hijacked | 18:44 |
| berndhs | unfortunate collateral damage | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please don't forget this whole concept been developed with tight involvement of security experts :-D So did you really expect anything less than that? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | </sarcasm> | 18:46 |
| berndhs | in general, it seems many security approaches mostly lock up the potential victims | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that'S the defined purpose after all | 18:47 |
| berndhs | can't catch the fox, so you lock up the chickens | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# | 18:48 |
| alterego | Balls, I can't update the terminal because it's signed with com.nokia.maemo -_- | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, sure | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might however rename it | 18:56 |
| alterego | Doing that :P | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno if you're already aware of http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 | 18:57 |
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| alterego | urgh | 19:00 |
| alterego | Finally :) | 19:04 |
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| alterego | Hrm, doesn't work | 19:27 |
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| lbt | rzr: can you disable builds of mg-terminal please | 19:34 |
| lbt | it's not working and it just takes a worker slot out permanently as it loops | 19:35 |
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| dimitar | the flashing went fine with suse 10.2 x64. I am thiking of adding a few lines on the wiki N950_landing_page | 19:42 |
| dimitar | listing the oses which are known to cause problems | 19:42 |
| dimitar | what do you think? | 19:42 |
| hiemanshu | dimitar: makes sense | 19:43 |
| dimitar | for now i understood suse 11.4 and ubuntu 11.10 | 19:43 |
| hiemanshu | and fedora 15 | 19:43 |
| hiemanshu | (all 64) | 19:44 |
| dimitar | yes | 19:44 |
| dimitar | ok will list these for now | 19:44 |
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| ajalkane | i flashed with ubuntu 10.04, 32-bit | 19:45 |
| dimitar | i am guessing the list of problematic ones is shorter so i'm thinking to put these | 19:48 |
| ajalkane | Hopefully that's the situation :) | 19:49 |
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| dimitar | ajalkane: ok i wrote slightly older versions are fine | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if it is possible to copy in EMail andBrowser apps? | 20:04 |
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| frals | you can copy your own input in email... and in url bar in browser, otherwise no | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | frals:got it | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think investigating what'S the root cause would be a better approach, two things come to mind: modprobe -r ohci_hcd and echo y >/sys/*/old-method-first | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts10 | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so s/ohci/ehci/ | 20:16 |
| RST38h | HP CEO Le'o Apotheker will be ousted today, and former eBay CEO/failed gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman will take his place. | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dimitar: ^^^ | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Jesus wept. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: are they just cycling bad CEO's? | 20:18 |
| berndhs | how long has Leo been there? hasn't been all that long | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Apparently. The latest news is that the board has not even MET Apotheker in person before hiring him | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: perhaps they didn't meet Meg either | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:19 |
| berndhs | so if I run for governor of California and fail, I get a CEO job someplace ? | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: It could be worse. They could be employing ex alaskan governors. | 20:20 |
| RST38h | They could hire Swarznegger! | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that'd be kind of epic | 20:21 |
| berndhs | no they're not qualified, they were actually governor | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1088100&postcount=873 | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps:Nothing impresses me nowadays. This whole current corporate capitalist model appears to be killing itself by sheerstupidity | 20:22 |
| RST38h | (and taking us all in its wake) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: too much corporate inbreeding | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Exactly | 20:22 |
| ieatlint | actually meg whitman is a tool and should never hold political office, but she was the CEO of ebay, and was widely credited with advancing the company | 20:22 |
| ieatlint | so she's probably qualified | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo Y > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually blacklist ehci_hcd, not only rmmod it | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | unbind it | 20:23 |
| RST38h | HP is not eBay.Different business model. | 20:24 |
| berndhs | yeah and when you're done flashing, remember to put it all back | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | i noticed hp wasn't ebay as well | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: better than installing suse10.2 eh? | 20:25 |
| berndhs | DocScrutinizer: sort of | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | HP needs a new ceo, i'm not sure meg whitman is a good idea, but they do need a change | 20:26 |
| ieatlint | she had a political scandal during the campaign last year... had an illegal immigrant working in her home for many years whom she underpaid | 20:27 |
| RST38h | they need a shotinthe head,ever since Fiorina =( | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | ergh, don't speak that name :P | 20:27 |
| berndhs | i thought Fiorina was a shot in the head | 20:27 |
| RST38h | true, in a way | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Fiorina was HP's Elop | 20:27 |
| berndhs | ran for governor of California too | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | i've always just called her crazy sheep lady | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | nah, fiorina ran for senator | 20:28 |
| berndhs | ah yes, my mistake | 20:28 |
| berndhs | failed in the attempt though, so there's another qualification for the next CEO job | 20:29 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his HP bag of LEDs, and HP signal-generator. | 20:29 | |
| RST38h | Fiorina was widely rumored to plan for a presidential bid | 20:29 |
| ieatlint | haha, hadn't heard that rumour | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Fiorina vs Palin vs Cheney's daughter | 20:30 |
| ieatlint | she should join that pack, there's room for more presidential candidates :) | 20:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer read Palin and runs bathroom, throwing up | 20:30 | |
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| ieatlint | cheney's daughter? she's gay, and not interested in politics | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: ...where you will be met by Sarah, with her shotgun and a sixpack of beer | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAH! | 20:31 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: exactly, she is the least obnoxious of the three | 20:31 |
| ieatlint | don't worry, when we make palin president, we'll be sure to screw the rest of the world over at least as much as we do ourselves | 20:32 |
| ieatlint | and that's a promise | 20:32 |
| RST38h | nah, out of capabilities | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | by al empirics Ceney's doughter must plan to kill her dad | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Can't kill Dick, he is already dead. | 20:32 |
| ieatlint | he's more machine than man now | 20:33 |
| RST38h | If you do not believe me,look at his medical history (googlable) | 20:33 |
| berndhs | having said all that, apparently on c.obs the qmake variable MEEGO_EDITION does _not_ contain "harmattan" | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, the Borg assimilated him? | 20:33 |
| RST38h | There is no Borg, old Dick is just a good old zombie. Or a vampire of sorts. | 20:34 |
| berndhs | well, he does have a brain, he's just not the most compassionate guy | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Beats John Ashcroft who had to be chained in the basement on every full Moon | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | They called it "Bible studies" =) | 20:36 |
| ieatlint | you could scare him away with nudity though | 20:36 |
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| TheBootroo | back | 20:37 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 20:37 |
| TheBootroo | my connection failed | 20:37 |
| TheBootroo | it seems like i just missed a great piece of conversation | 20:37 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 20:37 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: yea, for some reason human mammary glands put him into foul mood. Something from his past, I am sure | 20:37 |
| berndhs | TheBootroo: this is a consequence of Leo being resigned from HP | 20:38 |
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| ieatlint | has it actually happened yet? | 20:39 |
| RST38h | no but it almost has | 20:39 |
| berndhs | stock market wants to believe it | 20:39 |
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| TheBootroo | damn freakin connection | 20:49 |
| TheBootroo | i hate it | 20:49 |
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| dimitar | DocScrutinizer: this is a better approach indeed | 21:02 |
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| dimitar | DocScrutinizer: was his the problem with half flashing? | 21:03 |
| dimitar | s/his/this/ | 21:04 |
| infobot | dimitar meant: DocScrutinizer: was this the problem with half flashing? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | generic USB problems | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | both | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't think of another reason why a new distro would fail while an old one works | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | except maybe phonet kernel driver | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and cdc_ether, both mentioned on | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 21:05 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:05 |
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| dimitar | this is another issue | 21:05 |
| dimitar | the cdc | 21:05 |
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| dimitar | the erros are different and flasher can't get to the device at all | 21:06 |
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| dimitar | the problem i had was much after connection was established | 21:06 |
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| dimitar | i made a post here: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4559&page=9 | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | when it fails halfway thru flashing, I suspect ehci | 21:07 |
| dimitar | and sent a msg to another person with seemingly same problem | 21:07 |
| flux | I sometimes had that problem when I had vmware running | 21:07 |
| flux | somehow vmware captured the usb device mid-flashing | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, yes, quite possible | 21:08 |
| hiemanshu | mine was with bb5_rdc_cert_read failed, worked fine with windows | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | vmware (and other VM) are messing with USB drivers quite a bit on low level | 21:08 |
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| dimitar | would you say i better remove the line warning about the new distros and replace with the ehci explanation | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: also might be an issue of somewhat too high transmission speed | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so ehci again, aiui | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dimitar: I'd keep both for now | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so others can confirm or falsify | 21:10 |
| hiemanshu | hmmm, maybe if someone can try it? I'll probably try it much later during the weekend when I dont really need the phone | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I never faced that issue, during the 2 flashes I did | 21:11 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: what distro? | 21:11 |
| dimitar | then lets keep as it is until someone tries then put a proper explanation | 21:12 |
| hiemanshu | and it work for jreznik on Fedora 15 | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suse11.3 (or .2) | 21:12 |
| dimitar | it worked for me on 11.2 | 21:12 |
| dimitar | suse | 21:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer never gets it where to find out about suse distro version | 21:13 | |
| dimitar | here "/etc/SuSE-release" | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 11.2 | 21:14 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, 11.2 works, 11.4 doesn't seem to work | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway USB drivers are quite a bit depending on chipset I think | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so not only disto version related | 21:20 |
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| berndhs | the text displayed in a QML TextInput is not the one contained in the "text" property, this is not good | 21:24 |
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| frals | berndhs: quite sure the text property has the text as soon as its been commited to the input | 21:30 |
| berndhs | frals: i'm quite sure its different from what is displayed at the end of editing | 21:31 |
| frals | berndhs: and the missing word is not underlined (ie not yet commited)? | 21:32 |
| frals | text + preedit.text should have it all, anyway | 21:32 |
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| frals | s/preedit/platformPreedit/ | 21:33 |
| infobot | frals meant: text + platformPreedit.text should have it all, anyway | 21:33 |
| berndhs | there is no validator set on the text, unless the platform does that | 21:33 |
| berndhs | so why would it underline anything ? | 21:34 |
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| frals | because you are using the vkb with word correction? | 21:34 |
| berndhs | the text looks like a date and time, but I haven't set anything to say that it is | 21:34 |
| berndhs | seems to do the same with hw kbd, i looked at that | 21:35 |
| berndhs | but yeah it looks like a case of something guessing what is valid input and what isn't | 21:35 |
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| frals | at least platformPreedit is keeping some text from qt-components textarea/textfield when error correction is active on the vkb | 21:36 |
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| berndhs | this is plain QtQuick components, accoding to my import statement | 21:37 |
| berndhs | quiet implicit helpers can cause so much trouble, its a bad concept | 21:39 |
| berndhs | frals: do you know how to detect if the vkbd is displayed ? | 21:41 |
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| frals | berndhs: dunno, but iirc textinput has methods to open/close vkb | 21:43 |
| frals | and iirc page height is changed when vkb is shown when using qt-components | 21:43 |
| berndhs | yes i found those, also found the event asking for a vkbd | 21:44 |
| berndhs | requesting the vkbd doesnt mean it will show up | 21:45 |
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| Venemo | good evening everyone :) | 21:57 |
| berndhs | Venemo: howdy | 21:58 |
| Venemo | berndhs, I'm good, thanks for asking :) | 21:59 |
| berndhs | that's positive | 21:59 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, I'm very positive since I decided not to care about the fate of the Harmattan platform :) | 22:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:02 |
| berndhs | also http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-cern-faster-than-light-particle.html | 22:02 |
| berndhs | more reason to be positive :) | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's chuck norris | 22:03 |
| berndhs | sure, easy for him | 22:03 |
| Venemo | berndhs, even more reason for happiness: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ | 22:05 |
| Venemo | slight hacker notice: for EVEN MORE FUN, read the sources of the page :) | 22:05 |
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| dm8tbr | Venemo: spoilsports, that's for the advanced to find out themselves ;) | 22:32 |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr :P | 22:33 |
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| ieatlint | and indeed, hp names its new ceo | 23:23 |
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