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| lcuk | lardman, you mean the timestamp is updated twice? | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | to latest date/ | 00:23 |
| lcuk | or something else | 00:23 |
| lardman | I didn't actually look at what was updated | 00:23 |
| lardman | but I'm guessing the timestamp changes | 00:23 |
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| lardman | I changed to grabbing a stringlist of filenames and comparing those as I'm only interested in new files not modified ones | 00:27 |
| lardman | not quite sure where to post about Harmattan stuff on the meego.com forum, I've gone for Forum | 00:28 |
| lardman | and on that note, bed time | 00:29 |
| lcuk | lardman, with the Q filesystemwatcher can you specify flags for certain criteria | 00:29 |
| lcuk | the lower level inotify has a whole suite of options for such things | 00:30 |
| lcuk | nn simon | 00:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah but it doens't tell you which files are modified, just that something in a given dir has changed | 00:30 |
| lcuk | that is nice | 00:30 |
| lcuk | if your folder has x thousand items etc | 00:30 |
| lardman | yeah I was trying to keep it Qt mainly, anyway it works fine now | 00:30 |
| lcuk | sure | 00:30 |
| lardman | yeah with lots of files I may need to revisit that as you say | 00:31 |
| lardman | I'll add it to the todo list for after I've got mBarcode-lite's qml ui up and running | 00:31 |
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| lardman | anyway will catch you tomorrow perhaps, going for an induction I understand, so may be away for a few days | 00:31 |
| lcuk | heh i just made a todo app this evening | 00:31 |
| lcuk | gnite | 00:31 |
| lardman | night! | 00:31 |
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| leinir | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 01:13 |
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| djszapi__ | lcuk: have you ever used mono ? | 01:37 |
| djszapi__ | or just windows c# ? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, I have looked at mono | 01:37 |
| lcuk | it is interesting | 01:37 |
| lcuk | but my Linux involvement started with pure C on maemo | 01:37 |
| lcuk | for the last 10 years I was a visual basic/.net developer | 01:38 |
| lcuk | and had not written C since college | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | 5 years ago, it was promising | 01:38 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, the Windows phone is interesting use of C# | 01:39 |
| lcuk | if it takes off then the latest mono could be important again | 01:40 |
| djszapi__ | yes, I wrote a small application for that | 01:40 |
| djszapi__ | but using their ndk only. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | I hear there is some Windows training available in October, it would be interesting to see how well liq* apps run there :P | 01:41 |
| lcuk | the last time I wrote for a windows PDA os was os2005 I think | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but I have to find a path to being funded for activities | 01:42 |
| djszapi__ | I must say, windows phone pretty much rocked last October. | 01:42 |
| lcuk | it still does, I played recently | 01:42 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: someone should try to port mono harmattan and let us play with that :) | 01:43 |
| djszapi__ | * to harmattan :p | 01:43 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, there are developers at Collabora whom are adept at mono | 01:43 |
| lcuk | and its maintainance | 01:43 |
| lcuk | I am sure that if such a thing were required it could be arranged | 01:44 |
| djszapi__ | it could actually also be ported to android | 01:44 |
| djszapi__ | ohh no, it is not a requirement ;) It is just out of curiosity. | 01:44 |
| lcuk | just letting you know :) | 01:45 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: is Collabora also committed to webkit2 ? | 01:46 |
| javispedro | monotouch is already on android iirc | 01:47 |
| javispedro | in fact, http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Android-Programming-Mono-NET/dp/1118026438/ | 01:48 |
| javispedro | weirdos everywhere seems ;P | 01:48 |
| djszapi__ | monodroid is a long story yes | 01:49 |
| djszapi__ | however not free | 01:49 |
| djszapi__ | the free version is really a newbie project yet. | 01:49 |
| djszapi__ | needs a lot of love. | 01:49 |
| djszapi__ | I think even more than neccesitas | 01:50 |
| djszapi__ | I am pretty sure there will be (or there already is) a qt jambi like dotnet binding. | 01:51 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, I do not know the status of webkit | 01:51 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: seems a niche now on the market, mostly the qt - webkit2 integration | 01:51 |
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| djszapi__ | lcuk: btw, kdelibs is ready for usage. | 01:58 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, what is it useful for day to day? | 01:58 |
| djszapi__ | what do you mean ? | 01:58 |
| lcuk | well the libs are there | 01:58 |
| lcuk | what works with them that you or I would need | 01:59 |
| lcuk | you spent enough time porting them | 01:59 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: imho, kalgebra so far, but the kde development can start | 01:59 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, oh, I thought there were already many kde apps waiting | 01:59 |
| djszapi__ | kanagram would also be nice, teachers love it. | 01:59 |
| lcuk | does kalgebra work well on the n950? | 02:00 |
| djszapi__ | as for me, yes. | 02:00 |
| lcuk | what do you use it to do? | 02:00 |
| djszapi__ | calculation | 02:00 |
| lcuk | do you have screenshots or a video of it in action on your device? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | as many others seem to have for their apps | 02:00 |
| djszapi__ | no, but I ported scrot | 02:00 |
| lcuk | scrot is? | 02:01 |
| djszapi__ | so should be easy to take a screenshot from ssh | 02:01 |
| djszapi__ | without having another phone or using OVI | 02:01 |
| lcuk | a video would be nicer | 02:01 |
| lcuk | the n9 swipe ui shows apps in a good light | 02:01 |
| djszapi__ | is there some video recorder from cli ? | 02:01 |
| djszapi__ | I could port one... | 02:02 |
| lcuk | dunno | 02:02 |
| lcuk | you could just use n900 or another phone | 02:02 |
| lcuk | the macro focus on n900 is outstanding for such uses | 02:02 |
| djszapi__ | that is not that nice like using just ssh, is it ? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | digital videocasts do not show finger usage | 02:02 |
| lcuk | and how the app responds to use | 02:03 |
| djszapi__ | that is true | 02:03 |
| lcuk | elements just fly mythically | 02:03 |
| lcuk | it is quite disconcerting | 02:03 |
| djszapi__ | yep | 02:03 |
| lcuk | so grab another phone and make a quick vid :P | 02:03 |
| lcuk | then people will know what the kdelibs can be used for | 02:03 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:03 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: well, I have not really had time since it is a fairly new story, like yesterday ? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | add it to your todo list :) | 02:04 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: I would be happy to see more KDE applications ported, but they could not obviously do it without kdelibs | 02:04 |
| lcuk | I am pleased you have them working | 02:04 |
| djszapi__ | so I hope it can start now.. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, so it is on your C-OBS repository? | 02:05 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: yes | 02:05 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: kanagram would be nice for teachers | 02:05 |
| djszapi__ | they love it iirc | 02:05 |
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| djszapi__ | and the Ui is almost ready for touch | 02:05 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: rekonq could also rock | 02:06 |
| djszapi__ | since we are lacking an open source webkit based browser | 02:07 |
| djszapi__ | however I am afraid not much would stay apart from the rendering engine after the port | 02:07 |
| djszapi__ | browsers are cannot really be "ported" since you almost drop everything. :) | 02:07 |
| lcuk | porting apps is not fun then. | 02:08 |
| lcuk | My apps are identical and happy running on handsets or tablets | 02:08 |
| lcuk | even using them on the 20" touchscreen in the lounge is the same | 02:08 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: also, please use the shared repository for KDE stuff. | 02:09 |
| lcuk | I will not, but since you are in charge of the kdelibs you will speak with other kde developers and can inform them | 02:09 |
| lcuk | I can tell others who ask :P | 02:09 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: porting khangman could also be easy | 02:10 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: what is wrong about using the shared repository ? | 02:10 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: oh, also I have a KDE project, called mula | 02:10 |
| djszapi__ | that is very useful to me when it is ready, wip :) | 02:11 |
| djszapi__ | dictionary application | 02:11 |
| lcuk | it is good to use the shared repo, but I rarely will need to push kde stuff myself | 02:11 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:11 |
| djszapi__ | so that you do not need to use different web services for dictionary purposes. | 02:11 |
| djszapi__ | everything is put into a handy dictionary app | 02:11 |
| lcuk | i use fiferboys lexicon for such things | 02:11 |
| lcuk | it works now on meego and harmattan | 02:12 |
| djszapi__ | so can you use googletranslator for instance with that ? | 02:12 |
| djszapi__ | or chromium, or stardict ? | 02:12 |
| lcuk | i wouldn't need to | 02:12 |
| lcuk | it has english disctionary? | 02:12 |
| lcuk | dictionary * | 02:12 |
| lcuk | ;) | 02:12 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: anything, not just english. Also, the architecture is designed as pluggable | 02:12 |
| djszapi__ | so that actually you can add any plugin for further dictionary services, standards. | 02:13 |
| lcuk | sure | 02:13 |
| djszapi__ | maybe, kteatime heh :p | 02:13 |
| djszapi__ | that could be also ported. | 02:15 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: calligra, marble are being ported | 02:43 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: kontact Ui was not really designed for touch, so they will break the swipe UX (= I expect very few users because of that) | 02:43 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: plasma is a bit harder story. | 02:43 |
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| djszapi_ | lcuk: well, I do not have N900 anymore for recording a video | 02:43 |
| djszapi_ | lcuk: N900 has been a history xD | 02:43 |
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| * leinir hopes this issue's been fixed in the release image... http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28615&postcount=14 | 03:01 | |
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| djszapi_ | lcuk which windows version have you used ? | 03:48 |
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| hiemanshu | morning | 05:23 |
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| GAN900 | Anybody know if someone is working on an eCoach type thing for Harmattan? | 05:35 |
| hiemanshu | IIRC there was one | 05:35 |
| hiemanshu | GAN900: check forum.meego.com | 05:36 |
| hiemanshu | I recall reading about one | 05:36 |
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| rantom | Morning | 07:37 |
| rantom | I've got a small question about the N950: will the birthday-event appear in Events list once closer to that date? | 07:38 |
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| rantom | Hmm. I checked my contacts and they seemed to be missing the birthday-date from them.. | 07:41 |
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| tomma | works for me | 08:01 |
| rantom | Yeah, I re-sent my contacts with Bluetooth and merged them (since I was missing e.g. birthday-data) | 08:06 |
| tomma | aahh yeah they wont be moved with contact sync | 08:07 |
| tomma | or something | 08:08 |
| tomma | dont remember | 08:08 |
| rantom | Nope, doesn't work for me | 08:08 |
| rantom | I created a dummy-contact with birthday to today and it doesn't show up in Events | 08:09 |
| tomma | does it show "Birthdays" in manager calendars? | 08:10 |
| rantom | Yes | 08:11 |
| rantom | For some reason it also says "3 events" even though I have ~10 contacts with birthdays | 08:13 |
| rantom | And I only see one of them, that being the dummy, in Calendar | 08:13 |
| rantom | Err, ok... | 08:20 |
| rantom | For some reason I have to add the birthdays to the Calendar by tapping them in the Contacts | 08:20 |
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| rantom | tomma: What version are you running? I'm in: | 08:27 |
| rantom | Version 1.2011.22-6_PR_RM680 | 08:27 |
| hiemanshu | he either has the same or he isn't allowed to tell you the version :P | 08:29 |
| rantom | ok | 08:30 |
| rantom | I've yet to be used to the fact that this is devkit | 08:30 |
| rantom | I've used to using CE but that's quite different:) | 08:31 |
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| tomma | same version | 08:41 |
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| rantom | ok | 11:04 |
| rantom | there can be only three profiles? | 11:04 |
| wazd | heya all | 11:08 |
| rantom | wazd: hi | 11:10 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: morning | 11:20 |
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| alterego | I bet the first WP phone doesn't support NFC :) | 11:24 |
| rantom | I bet teh first WP-phone doesn't support MeeGo | 11:28 |
| rantom | hej | 11:28 |
| rantom | heh* | 11:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morning djszapi | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | moaning y'all | 11:38 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: aegisfs supports hard links in a way, but it is gone after the reboot. | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: thanks for the info :-) | 11:41 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I am filing a bug about /var/malf, it is a very serious deny allow issue (even if just root can do it). | 11:41 |
| djszapi | There should be some signature content, that could solve this issue | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I agree and might vote for this ticket | 11:42 |
| djszapi | internal bug :p But yeah, you can make mayhem with it right now. | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: while you're at it, please include the suggestion to dearm this init/check_malf.conf (or whatever it's called) so a developer could still boot and examine a system that had a MALF triggered | 11:45 |
| djszapi | you can do that. | 11:45 |
| hiemanshu | MALF? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: "please try to reflash!" | 11:46 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I know that, but what does MALF stand for? :P | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | "or visit next Nokia carecenter" | 11:46 |
| djszapi | malfunction... | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | malfunction | 11:46 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 11:46 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: one scenario is doing this in some install context. That way, it is even more serious for a user than just for a developer. | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: (I can do that) well, I consider it immanent part of the problem complex that a DoS run against a user by triggering MALF can not be examined as access to the device is blocked | 11:49 |
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| djszapi | yeah | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the user probably was even able usually to revert the "offending action", if only he could access the rootfs by any means | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i think you may be able to repair a MALF with -T option of flasher, but i'm unsure | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | it untars something on the fs | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then otoh reverting a file edit isn't simple on a inode based security system | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it usually may be impossible to recreate the original file on original inode | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ut wait, inode numbers are only runtime | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are regenerated from a FQN based representation in manifests, on every boot. That's what javispedro told me | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so restoring the original file and then rebooting should work for repairing a tampered system | 11:56 |
| wazd | slight offtopic: is there any MySQL gurus in here? :) Cause I need some help with importing a database :) | 11:59 |
| wazd | are* | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: I've been told MySQL has differing binary database file format even on same MySQL version, between slightly different hw platforms. Allegedly the only way is to for example export to csv on source platform and import from csv on target. Or use any better format than csv, I guess there are plenty | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | had this problem when it came to mirroring a mediawiki | 12:04 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: btw, this malf thing is the same on N900 | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! never seen it | 12:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer checks | 12:11 | |
| djszapi | I mean same as in you have a message, and you cannot boot. | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | what will do this on fremantle? dsme? | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*malf*' doesn't yield hits | 12:14 |
| djszapi | if the system services does break, you are getting the same situation | 12:15 |
| djszapi | it is not any different | 12:15 |
| djszapi | you cannot boot your device up. | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry what is "system services"? How would it break (example)? And what in boot would stop me from booting fremantle then? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw: | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# grep -ri malf /etc 2>/dev/null | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /etc/alternatives/vi. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /etc/alternatives/awk. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /etc/alternatives/nawk. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/wireshark/init.lua:PI_MALFORMED = 131072 | 12:18 |
| djszapi | anything which is serious corruption in the system services there.. I recall the same situation | 12:20 |
| djszapi | Hence it is probably wont fix category imho. | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I could imagine a scenario like "user messing up dbus config -> bootloop" | 12:20 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: still need help? | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: sorry, I disagree. Whatever evil things you did to your fremantle so it might be considered "unbootable and needs reflash", a developer always has the chance to boot to uSD based rescue system, mount fremantle NAND rootfs, and examine the issue, to diagnose and possibly cure the root cause. How would you go debugging random system breakage on harmattan? | 12:24 |
| hiemanshu | hmmm, whats good way to generate squircle shapped buttons? | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | a good way* | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | squircle? | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: the default harmattan style | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: this sounds like windows: "if something does not work, please reinstall system" | 12:25 |
| hiemanshu | thats called a squircle | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:25 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I had the same issue with Fremantle... | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | same issue? | 12:26 |
| djszapi | Yes, I had to reflash | 12:26 |
| djszapi | Also, it is not really aegis area, so I do not spend too much time with their issues, we have enough :) | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | what stopped you from booting meego on uSD and mountinf the fremantle rootfs to /mnt/forensics? | 12:26 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I had not 1) uSD that time by hand 2) I had no working meego that I would consider for any kind of use. | 12:27 |
| artemm | hiemanshu: My designer told this tool is good - http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's no conceptual argument against fremantle being debug'able while harmattan isn't | 12:28 |
| artemm | and he made great icon with it | 12:28 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: it is not technical, but usability | 12:28 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: and that is what the user care about anyway | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are developers, our metrics for usability is different | 12:28 |
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| hiemanshu | artemm: ah, it generates svgs too, I thought it would generate only 80x80, I need 160x160 (for my app) | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need usability in debugging, so users will get a device _they_ percive as usable | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if my development HARM system randomly crashes with "please reflash!" I'm strongly interested in _debugging_ and _investigating_ and _fixing_ the problem, not in reflashing to be the only available option | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: could you help me on argumentation? | 12:31 |
| djszapi | to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. I tried out your scenario yesterday, and I could boot my system fine... | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, i totally agree with your statements | 12:32 |
| artemm | Funnt, just yesterday I was reading a rant by somebody known about how lame it is for developers nowadays to tell just an error code or cryptic message so that "the only person who can understand the message probably doesn't need it :)" | 12:32 |
| djszapi | on the other hand, no way I will look for an uSD card and buy one, if I can simply use one command to reflash and continue in few minutes instead of hours and days about looking and buying .... | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: IF system still boots, then all just fine. Developer can investigate, look into syslog, whatnot. And eventually find and cure root cause. But it seems usually system will deliberately refuse to boot on MALF | 12:33 |
| djszapi | the common case is that anyway, it is harder to debug than start it from a clean state anyway. | 12:33 |
| artemm | there are no super-small scree, super-small memory sizes and super-limited CPUs anymore. You can provide a real explanation. That is if you care about what client is interested in | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, i admit it's scary we agree for once | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: sorry this is a void rationale. If there's a problem, then especially for a developer there is no use in "starting from scratch" | 12:34 |
| djszapi | it is not rationale if the platform is designed for the common case ? | 12:35 |
| djszapi | and not for corner case ? That is a very odd claim. | 12:35 |
| alterego | Especially if reflashing just means you rebrick when you do the same thing because you don't know the issue :) | 12:35 |
| djszapi | but at any rate, I do not continue it since I am not a system service guy, and I have enough thing right now to do with aegis ;-) | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are developers, and N950 is meant to be a developer device. That's what's written in all capitals on the back | 12:36 |
| alterego | That's a cop out, corner cases are what cause butt hurt. | 12:36 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: again, N wants a user device. The developer device just happened to be since these gadgets were already manufactured anyway. We can argue about the N decisions a lot, but completely pointless. | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so in *DEVELOPER MODE* there must not be a forced reflash, to cure for example a maybe minuscule problem in /etc/init/. Such a reflash eradicates all forensic hints so the developer could learn what to fix to avoid same problem in the future | 12:38 |
| djszapi | please send back the device, if you do not accept the decisions and platform. They will give it to people who will die for one such a gadget this way. | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: sorry I completely dislike this statement of yours. it's offending and silly | 12:39 |
| djszapi | you are the only one offending the decisions and design for no real reason.. | 12:40 |
| djszapi | There are people who would die for such a device with this platform and decision.. | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm saying it's nonsense to - metaphorically - replace coredump action by rm -rf / | 12:41 |
| djszapi | I think you are saying this thing to a wrong person (I think even with a wrong arguement) | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may do this for the consumer version of a device, but not for development | 12:42 |
| leinir | so annoying... i got hit by this one yesterday too :P http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28615&postcount=14 | 12:42 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I did not make this decision and I am not responsible for that work by any sense. | 12:42 |
| djszapi | but one thing I can do, accept it. | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never said you were | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | you're not just accepting it, you're defending it | 12:43 |
| djszapi | yes, I think it is good this way. | 12:43 |
| djszapi | that is why I said: (I think even with a wrong arguement) | 12:43 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: but surely I am not the one you need to persuade :) | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | we agree on that | 12:44 |
| djszapi | and to be honest, as I said from the beginning, I could reboot the device | 12:44 |
| djszapi | and then I could remove that file... | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I need to investigate more about your claim that device still boots after MALF | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it does, then my whole rant is mot | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | moot | 12:45 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: no guarantee for every crash of course | 12:45 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: what I agree about is the deny allow source. I heavily agree about that one :) | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, if I managed to nuke kernel, I'm screwed either way | 12:45 |
| djszapi | and I am discussing it now with them.. | 12:45 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro++ | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: ? | 12:51 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: his icon generator, didn't have to spend a day learning inkscape making my images squircle shaped | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | well yeah | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess there must be a similar thing on device running natively (word?) on HARM, as for example web shortcuts created in browser are generated | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's probably a reason why all those gfx tools are installed by default ;-) | 12:56 |
| hiemanshu | yeah might be possible | 12:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not to belittle javispedro's useful tools | 12:57 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: actually, I have tested it, it works nicely. | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: reboot? | 12:58 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I cannot enter into a non-booting system without breaking the underlying base system | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, sounds really OK then | 12:58 |
| djszapi | making things with malf well, it just let you reboot. | 12:58 |
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| djszapi | it actually means that both issues you mentioned are invalid :) | 12:59 |
| djszapi | 1) Being able to reboot - done 2) Easy to break the device - not really | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | they were not on javispedro's and my system. Yes I know... newer images might have fixed this | 12:59 |
| djszapi | If I remove the reflashlist, that is for sure a forever malf. | 13:00 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: the fact that I can get svgs makes it much better, because I needed icons of size 160x160 | 13:00 |
| djszapi | but this is where my previous opinion comes into the picture, that is a fairly correct design | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: I'm not requesting user could recover from really fatal mishaps like destroying kernel or modules for example. It's obvious this would be a sure ticket for a reflash. There are others. As long as system basically stays bootable so you *could* fix issues that not immanently render the system 100% inoperable, I'm fine with that | 13:03 |
| djszapi | yes, that is the design | 13:03 |
| djszapi | at least I could not get into a forever malf by not breaking the base system, still trying. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | so I think it is really well managed. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | I could already get into forever malf by breaking the base system | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: fine. And many thanks for giving this a close inspection and evaluation | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (could already get into forever malf by breaking the base system) you always can, on arbitrary systems | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter if it's solaris, winNT, or HARM | 13:05 |
| djszapi | exactly :) | 13:06 |
| djszapi | I still know what big security hole in aegis though :) | 13:06 |
| djszapi | I hope we can get that fixed with the /very/ limited resources :( | 13:07 |
| djszapi | * a big security hole | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my idea of aegis anyway has been it more *protects* user from doing that, rather than helping on breaking things. If the "please reflash!" isn't actually forcing user into a worse situation than he was in without this mechanism, I'm all fine with it | 13:08 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | to give a real life example: if the whole x11 system gets messed up so system can not crank up on-device GUI, I'd think it's still more helpful for user when he still could log in via ssh, to backup data, rather than locking the device and ask user to unconditionally and immediately reflash NOW | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: you say MALF would "recover" and allow user to do this. So I'm all fine with it | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | just one thing: I'd really like to get the new firmware where this and other annoyances are fixed :-D | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: morning | 13:19 |
| * khertan too ... would really see the new firmware | 13:20 | |
| khertan | s/really like to/really | 13:20 |
| radiofree | Pattern not found: really like to | 13:20 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I was the first one posting on a new image, I know how important it is ;p | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: :-D | 13:22 |
| djszapi | but unfortunately, I must agree about their decision after all. One "bad reputation" is better than getting it weekly. | 13:23 |
| djszapi | and letting the developers/users feel that, oh this week is still not okay, and getting them frustrated. | 13:23 |
| hiemanshu | hmm, is it possible to disable the button behind an icon? | 13:27 |
| hiemanshu | I have a button 160x160, with a squircle of 160x160 on top of, I can see the button bellow overflowing a little | 13:27 |
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| ajalkane | hiemanshu: maybe opaque: 0 works? | 13:42 |
| hiemanshu | ajalkane: let me try that | 13:43 |
| hiemanshu | ajalkane: wouldn't that make the icon transparent too? | 13:43 |
| ajalkane | i guess not if you can put it as sibling | 13:44 |
| hiemanshu | maybe I'll just use rectangle and mouseare | 13:46 |
| hiemanshu | area* | 13:46 |
| hiemanshu | that seems to be working | 13:46 |
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| hiemanshu | http://i.imgur.com/QvkA0.png \o/ | 13:50 |
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| ajalkane | seems like a simpler and cleaner solution anyway :) | 13:59 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | what kind of operator is !dea | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 14:02 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: its Idea, they are trying to be leet :P | 14:03 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://www.ideacellular.com/wps/portal:P | 14:04 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I pay about 2 usd for 8G of data on it, so I use it | 14:04 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: anyways, able to access RDA devices? | 14:06 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: see what firmwares the N950s have :D | 14:06 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, sec, lemme try | 14:12 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: alright | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | the N950s are version 2, not the ones we have | 14:12 |
| hiemanshu | oh | 14:12 |
| thp | version "2"? | 14:13 |
| hiemanshu | thp: 64G, 512M RAM and such | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | s/version/revision | 14:13 |
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| thp | isn't that technically the previous revision? | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | there have been 3 revisions afaik | 14:14 |
| thp | i.e. they did the lower-spec devices for developers, whereas the "better" devices would have been the for-sale things? | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | they probably found 512MBs of ram low | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | and 64GBs unnecessary for devel | 14:15 |
| * thp types "free" into an xterm to check the ram of the n950 | 14:16 | |
| thp | 1gb. nice! i know too little about the specs of this device | 14:16 |
| thp | has there been any progress booting/flashing any other kernel than the nokia-signed one? | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, you need MOSLO | 14:18 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I found two interesting security things :) | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | and afaik there's a bug in the firmware/sw version we have | 14:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer is listening | 14:20 | |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: 1) /etc/init/ is integrity protected, but you can still move/rename it. However it does not mean anything risky since upstart works against inodes so it will be just fine 2) I can remove files as root, like on normal unix systems from the system, not tightly related to any user (ie.: install context) Just a brick I could do with it to remove the refhashlist. Anyways, /var/lib/aegis integrity protection will solve this issue as well fa | 14:21 |
| thp | MohammadAG: and that's available somewhere? | 14:22 |
| djszapi | I was reading that debian developers were discussing some declarative format for their maintainer scripts, that is something which would way much better, agreed... On the other hand, from Nokia policies, they prefer the OVI store for distributing packages, so a refhashlist removal could not go through the QA process there heretofore either. | 14:23 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: oh yes, the validator will defend against rename, moving as well in the future, so defended platform from more pov anyways :) | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: alas your post 2 up got truncated | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: >>integrity protection will solve this issue as well fa | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | thp, yes, some people have it, but afaik it isn't public | 14:24 |
| djszapi | ... fairly easily :) | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | thp ask Stskeeps | 14:24 |
| djszapi | thp: yes, fairly easy, one liner in fact. | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: many thanks for sharing this. :-) Seems I got a bone to chew on during the rest of this day | 14:26 |
| djszapi | heh :) | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | 'the ovi store for distributing packages'... | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if there is a likelyhood of that working as well for the n9 as it did for the n900. | 14:28 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, got an N9 on RDA, it has one touch point stuck | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | itmkeeps scrolling on its own | 14:35 |
| hiemanshu | oh | 14:35 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | now it's on the task manager | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to launch terminal with hardware keys? | 14:40 |
| hiemanshu | IIRC no | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | so this one's useless | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | i can't even tap terminal in the search app | 14:43 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 14:43 |
| hiemanshu | I was going to suggest that :P | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | list keeps overshooting | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | reMOO | 15:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 15:12 |
| hiemanshu | hey RST38h wazd | 15:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: day! | 15:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: how is the aether today? | 15:13 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: mmm, another 2 security things btw | 15:15 |
| ajalkane | and is weather .deb here today :) | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: shift-ctrl-x, like on N900 | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I dreamt that? | 15:29 |
| RST38h | you did | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed, as I did http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Keyboard_shortcuts | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dare to claim this list is comprehensive | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, got another N9, this one's connection sucks | 15:57 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: lol | 15:57 |
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| djszapi | fiferboy o/ :) | 15:58 |
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| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 16:00 |
| ajalkane | ah, those kb shortcuts are apparently good for checking which apps are mtf. Qml apps don't support them fps, borders etc. shortcuts | 16:00 |
| ajalkane | disappointing that apparently all bundled apps are mtf | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | ajalkane, do as they say not as they do :P use qml | 16:02 |
| fiferboy | Facebook is QML, isn't it? | 16:02 |
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| djszapi | fiferboy: does the old import com.nokia.extras work on the N950 (image: week 22) ? | 16:03 |
| djszapi | * new import | 16:03 |
| ajalkane | lcuk: yeah... bastards. But I looked at mtf and theres no way I'm gonna do UI with it :) | 16:04 |
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| ajalkane | fiferboy: dunno, I don't have fb account so can't test. I'm an old geezer like that. | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm rather happy about the MTF apps, at least they have nice widgets. Compare calendar timepicker to boostedWG's timepicker. Same for datepicker | 16:05 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer: that's exactly what frustrates me. Mtf has all the good widgets. | 16:06 |
| djszapi | mtf is pretty cool | 16:06 |
| djszapi | I liked writing application using that. | 16:06 |
| fiferboy | What is the key combo, I'll check | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, what frustrates me is QML missing any sane widgets :-) | 16:06 |
| djszapi | qml is insane :) | 16:06 |
| djszapi | I mean the missing basic elements are rather hurty | 16:07 |
| ajalkane | ctrl+shift+b shows borders | 16:07 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: if that import works on the N950 (week 22), I think that is the way of proceeding. | 16:07 |
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| ajalkane | I took cursory look at mtf examples, and it looked painful. I don't want pain to learn deprecated api | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | note that it seems the switching of all those MTF diagnostic display is "global" and not per app, afaik | 16:08 |
| ajalkane | it's per app | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh really? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least it's common for the three basic screens | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, newly started 'app' doesn't inherit it | 16:10 |
| fiferboy | Facebook doesn't show borders - also I think the package name is facebook-qml :) | 16:10 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: your app has its own life, yes. | 16:10 |
| ajalkane | okay cool, at least one app is qml. | 16:11 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: yeah, the facebook is just a metapackage. | 16:11 |
| djszapi | to be precise: facebookqml :) | 16:12 |
| ajalkane | Maybe they wrote fb in qml and said, fuck this, mtf rules | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sh-ctl-L is actually kinda funny | 16:12 |
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| faenil_ | guys what do you suggest to put buttons on a GLWidget? | 16:14 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Is there noticably more QML apps pre-installed in later firmware? | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, so i found a reboot button, that didn't end well | 16:14 |
| faenil_ | like images with press events | 16:14 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: sorry, NDA :) | 16:15 |
| djszapi | faenil_: we used qml | 16:15 |
| faenil_ | like have the gl as a QDeclarativeItem | 16:16 |
| faenil_ | and put images on it | 16:16 |
| faenil_ | right? | 16:16 |
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| djszapi | something like that, let me look a bit of code for you. | 16:16 |
| faenil_ | did you notice fps drop in doing so? | 16:17 |
| djszapi | well, we use in-game ui | 16:17 |
| djszapi | and nope, not that I noticed. | 16:17 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/show/engine/components/graphics/uimanager | 16:18 |
| faenil_ | yes I need ingame ui | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Fair enough :) | 16:18 |
| djszapi | faenil_: still the game... | 16:18 |
| djszapi | dude, you should really try Gluon :) | 16:18 |
| faenil_ | XD | 16:18 |
| djszapi | we managed these things there and you reinvent the wheel :) | 16:18 |
| djszapi | this is not the first time I realize ;) | 16:18 |
| djszapi | faenil_: but you can also use the game development platform from the Nokia site. | 16:19 |
| faenil_ | I know man, but I'm here to reinvent the wheel | 16:19 |
| faenil_ | to know how the wheel works | 16:19 |
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| faenil_ | and then help the others build the rest of the chart | 16:19 |
| faenil_ | :D | 16:19 |
| faenil_ | to learn* | 16:19 |
| djszapi | I have never understood this approach, but ok :) | 16:20 |
| djszapi | faenil_: is it a 3d or 2d game ? | 16:21 |
| faenil_ | 3d | 16:21 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: So I got the mysql packages in my repo, so I can go back to working on QML :) | 16:21 |
| djszapi | faenil_: then gluon is not for your, certainly. | 16:23 |
| djszapi | you* | 16:23 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: hehe great :) | 16:23 |
| faenil_ | djszapi: ok! problem solved :D | 16:23 |
| faenil_ | I'm seeing you use qpainter with the framebuffer object | 16:24 |
| djszapi | yes, that is the way of doing it. | 16:24 |
| djszapi | faenil_: by the way, read it as in we do not have currently 3d | 16:25 |
| djszapi | but it is not architectural limitation, simple implementation-wise | 16:25 |
| faenil_ | djszapi: yes, I got that :P | 16:25 |
| faenil_ | but the way to write on opengl surface is the same :D | 16:25 |
| djszapi | faenil_: you can also check out what the Nokia game engine does | 16:25 |
| djszapi | maybe they do it differently.. | 16:25 |
| faenil_ | ok ;( | 16:25 |
| faenil_ | ;) | 16:25 |
| djszapi | faenil_: dealing with the memory is rather different :) | 16:26 |
| faenil_ | :) | 16:26 |
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| faenil_ | javispedro: did you make a UI for the emu? | 16:32 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the device didn't boot up later? | 16:32 |
| javispedro | no | 16:32 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: lovely stuff with the icon generator :D | 16:32 |
| faenil_ | javispedro: ok ;) | 16:33 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: http://i.imgur.com/QvkA0.png (all generated using your generator) :D | 16:33 |
| elpuri | faenil_: i didn't read all of your discussion but i would just use a QGLWidget as a viewport for a QDeclarativeView, define a declarative item that draws the 3d view with gl* calls wrapped between beginNativePainting and endNativePainting calls | 16:34 |
| elpuri | and then do the rest of the ui with QML | 16:34 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: :) but try to remove the backgrounds in each of the icons for extra nicety :) | 16:34 |
| djszapi | that is what I showed him ;) | 16:34 |
| faenil_ | elpuri: yes that's what I meant when I was talking to djszapi | 16:35 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: yeah, that was a quick hack to get a basic UI working for now, still needs a lot of work yes | 16:35 |
| faenil_ | elpuri: I'm just afraid of the fps drop :D that's why I was looking for advices :D | 16:36 |
| djszapi | faenil_: why would it ? | 16:36 |
| elpuri | why would the fps drop? | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, indeed | 16:36 |
| elpuri | you have to paint everything somehow anyway | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, i have all devices, they're not working | 16:37 |
| elpuri | if you hide the QML items during gameplay their paint() won't get called and the overhead is minimal | 16:37 |
| faenil_ | yes but for example, painting the buttons as textures or painting them as QImage converted to QPixmap require different time.. | 16:37 |
| djszapi | you wanna write a Ui with opengl ? :) | 16:37 |
| faenil_ | elpuri: I need to draw the buttons of the game, I need them always visible (almost) | 16:37 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and what about the N950? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | (ui with opengl) not astonishingly hard | 16:38 |
| elpuri | faenil_: if you paint with QPainter to a QGLWidget it uses the opengl graphics engine and paints as textures | 16:38 |
| djszapi | faenil_: yes, like a game menu in that scene... | 16:38 |
| faenil_ | djszapi: only 3-4 control buttons...yes that would be better | 16:38 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: even though its old, the arch is still the same and such, we try some hacking with it | 16:38 |
| elpuri | faenil_: it does the exact same thing | 16:38 |
| elpuri | wrapped in a little bit different package but still | 16:38 |
| hiemanshu | s/we/we can/ | 16:38 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: MohammadAG: even though its old, the arch is still the same and such, we can try some hacking with it | 16:38 |
| faenil_ | elpuri: ok :) I read it first had to convert the qimage to qpixmap, so it was better with textures...but if it already does it itself, better :) | 16:39 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: twitter, no ? (qml app) | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, same software version | 16:40 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: damn | 16:40 |
| faenil_ | anyway, why didn't they put a better gpu on this phone (and N9) XD | 16:40 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: not sure if accuweather is qml | 16:40 |
| faenil_ | sgx530 is a bit old and slow... | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, can't you access rda? | 16:40 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: at work, no java and such on this machine, so not right now | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | it's fine for what it does | 16:41 |
| elpuri | faenil_: where did you read this? | 16:42 |
| faenil_ | qt forum | 16:42 |
| faenil_ | don't remember the exact topic | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: twitter might be, we don't have it on our image | 16:42 |
| faenil_ | elpuri: it could have been this one http://www.qtforum.org/article/34/how-to-draw-an-qimage-using-opengl.html | 16:43 |
| faenil_ | but don't remember atm | 16:43 |
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| faenil_ | elpuri: anyway I'll first try with qml buttons + opengl viewport, and see how it performs | 16:48 |
| djszapi | that will not be the culsprit, mainly in a 3d game anyway. | 16:50 |
| elpuri | it will be roughly the same | 16:50 |
| elpuri | nobody is converting anything every frame | 16:51 |
| faenil_ | ok good :) | 16:51 |
| djszapi | elpuri: are you good at opengl ? | 16:52 |
| * fiferboy wonders why QML styles (ButtonStyle, etc) don't allow for colour customization - it would be so easy for them | 16:54 | |
| elpuri | not in the professional (or even serious recreational) game programmer level, but i can get things done with ogl and glsl | 16:54 |
| faenil_ | :D | 16:54 |
| * fiferboy goes about colourizing all the styles in his application | 16:54 | |
| * fiferboy sighs | 16:54 | |
| djszapi | elpuri: I need opengl help on Windows about a game. | 16:55 |
| hardaker | fiferboy: I've wondered why many things don't default to allowing a colored background. How is that not fundamental these days? | 16:55 |
| djszapi | elpuri: works everywhere, Mac, Linux, Harmattan, Fremantle, Apple, what not, but Windows. | 16:55 |
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| elpuri | djszapi: i've been doing mostly 3D UI stuff lately | 17:01 |
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| fiferboy | hardaker: It is easy enough to extend the styles to add colours, but it is a pain to have to do it for every widget in the application! | 17:04 |
| djszapi | elpuri: it is 2D, but we have been using Qt Open GL | 17:04 |
| djszapi | elpuri: goes into off-topic, can I query you ? | 17:04 |
| elpuri_ | sure | 17:05 |
| djszapi | I was using this glslDebugger for debugging, and the trace pointed out some mistakes, but not really sure why that happened only on Windows. | 17:05 |
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| hardaker | fiferboy: easy yes; but each developer shouldn't have to do it themselves. | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | hardaker: I agree. A global property you could set once and have each style follow would be ideal | 17:10 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no dice :/ | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | i just need ssh access to an N9 gdi | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | Style.qml could have __colorString which I set to "color14" and then everything in my application would follow that colour | 17:15 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: back to the security things: 1) /sys/kernel/security/restok/tokens is a good source for missing credentials apart from the general posix capabilities 2) Do not get used to dmesg check, that will be not available, just use syslog. Reason: dmesg requires sysadmin capability which can do a lot of nasty things. | 17:17 |
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| fiferboy | I guess there is only one way to find out | 17:19 |
| * fiferboy clones qt-components git repo... | 17:19 | |
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| faenil_ | alterego: heard the same feedback from everyone who tried it :) | 17:44 |
| javispedro | so Symbian is _improving_? who'd have thought! | 17:44 |
| faenil_ | I just hope Nokia won't play hide and run as it always does with updates | 17:44 |
| faenil_ | Anna is about what, 9months late? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: we (the developer community) pushed for years to get sources and docs for all the closed blobs and protocols/APIs of maemo. We are not going to repeat same dance on an even lower level now to push the limits of what we are **ALLOWED TO USE** on meego HARM | 17:46 |
| alterego | faenil_: Anna with a leaked Belle _before_ it! :D | 17:46 |
| jkt | so, I'm trying to build my desktop app for Harmattan, and I get a pile of warnings about qstring.h:187: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 | 17:47 |
| jkt | shall I ignore that? | 17:47 |
| faenil_ | alterego: lol | 17:47 |
| w00t_ | jkt: you can, yes | 17:47 |
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| jkt | w00t_: any way to silence them (and just them)? also, any plans to have them fixed? | 17:49 |
| djszapi | jkt: I think I turned that off | 17:49 |
| w00t_ | already fixed | 17:49 |
| jkt | okay | 17:49 |
| jkt | I'm suing that prebuilt qt creator "Qt SDK", shall I rebuilt from source? If so, from what qtc branch? | 17:49 |
| w00t_ | new SDK won't help you, i don't know if/when harmattan gets a fixed Qt (it may have it already for all I know) | 17:50 |
| jkt | is that the mangling as used by C++ to generate symbol names, or some other mangling? | 17:51 |
| alterego | One One thing I will say about Belle, it has a better charging indicator than Harmattan ../meego .. | 17:51 |
| jkt | wow, my QWidget-based application actually *works* | 17:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:51 |
| jkt | now that's pretty impressive for a two-minute job of "porting" | 17:51 |
| jkt | okay, too early -- using it without mouse and the tab key is rather hard | 17:51 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: have you fixed irc-chatter after all ? | 17:53 |
| berndhs | is there a way to set the user-agent string in QML webview ? | 17:55 |
| jkt | so it looks like that the mouse actually works, even though it's rather hard to press menu buttons with it | 17:55 |
| faenil_ | guys I'm trying to import my glwidget as QDeclarativeItem and I found this http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/8374 | 17:56 |
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| faenil_ | but they only talk about the paint function...what about initializeGL() , resizeGL()? | 17:56 |
| faenil_ | should I call them manually? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: sorry I'm not in a moderate mood right now, so started bitching again. I know this doesn't help (modulo it helps me stay sane). Maybe later when temperature here is <30°C we might continue our discussion | 17:57 |
| javispedro | time for the air conditioner! | 18:00 |
| * javispedro was also getting upset over this shitty piece of code | 18:00 | |
| javispedro | and now I realize why | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi pal! | 18:01 |
| javispedro | hello | 18:01 |
| mikhas | javispedro, was it your own? | 18:02 |
| mikhas | usually, that's the code that annoys me most | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | air conditioner HAH! I closed all (glass) windows to keep the confortable 29°C inside my appartment, and the nasty 36° outside | 18:02 |
| javispedro | uh | 18:02 |
| javispedro | I just heard an explosion | 18:02 |
| javispedro | hope it's not the AC compressor =) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 18:03 |
| javispedro | na, j/k, it's fine. | 18:04 |
| javispedro | must have been some "isolated thunderstorm". or world war 3 starting.. | 18:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer has apocalyptic visions of a time in near future when temperatures rise to 60° 90° 150°C | 18:05 | |
| javispedro | mikhas: yes, mine | 18:06 |
| hiemanshu | uhm, dj left | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you'd be rather screwed with too high ambient temperature, as there's just so much you could do about it | 18:06 |
| kimju | DocScrutinizer, move to finland, we only have a half dozen days of over 30C a year (also, about the same number of days under -30C :) | 18:06 |
| hiemanshu | kimju: Its with a cold weather as long you can work from home and have a heater with loads of vodka :D | 18:07 |
| * javispedro starts to love his climate | 18:08 | |
| mikhas | you heat with vodka? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:08 |
| javispedro | s/his/local ;) | 18:08 |
| faenil_ | any answer to my question? :D | 18:08 |
| hiemanshu | s/heater/heater, and a shelf/ | 18:08 |
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| infobot | hiemanshu meant: kimju: Its with a cold weather as long you can work from home and have a heater, and a shelf with loads of vodka :D | 18:08 |
| hiemanshu | its fine* | 18:09 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: what is that "turn" in the QML snake game ? What does that represent ? | 18:09 |
| hiemanshu | hey djszapi | 18:09 |
| djszapi | 'lo | 18:09 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: well no, I didn't make the patch yet, I have been too busy with work and then rewriting my own app in QML | 18:09 |
| djszapi | no hurry | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil_: somebody messed with this yesterday, here in this chan | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 18:10 |
| faenil_ | ok I'll look for the answer in the log | 18:10 |
| faenil_ | thanks :) | 18:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer seems to have entered main processor throttling mode, due to overtemp | 18:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil_: search yesterday's log for that.... err | 18:11 |
| faenil_ | yes ;) | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | QDeclarativeItem | 18:11 |
| djszapi | iirc it was lardman | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:12 |
| faenil_ | mmm | 18:12 |
| faenil_ | it was not the same thing | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, sorry then | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, I'm in throttled mode ;-D | 18:13 |
| djszapi | anybody gotten any answer from Isle of Open Source ? | 18:14 |
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| jkt | so, what is the qmake way of finding out that it's building for harmattan? (ie. like "unix" and "maemo5" for optional sections in the .pro file) I've tried "maemo6" and "harmattan", but they don't seem to work | 18:17 |
| jkt | I've also tried to UTFG for that, but didn't found an answer | 18:17 |
| hiemanshu | jkt: unix:!symbian:!maemo5 or something like that | 18:17 |
| faenil_ | can't find anything, so if anyone knows the answer, please let me know :D | 18:17 |
| jkt | hiemanshu: that sounds like "a unix system, but not maemo5 and not symbian", which rings a few alarm lights to me | 18:18 |
| jkt | hiemanshu: but yeah, that's what the qt creator uses | 18:18 |
| hiemanshu | jkt: yeah, nothing else is defined really | 18:20 |
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| jkt | looks like https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-19737 is what I need, which leads to https://projects.maemo.org/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=261969, which is not accessible to me | 18:21 |
| jkt | that's a fail. | 18:21 |
| faenil_ | am I the only one having problems with QtDN? | 18:22 |
| faenil_ | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/ | 18:22 |
| faenil_ | 400 bad request | 18:23 |
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| mikhas | jkt, that bug has been fixed recently | 18:27 |
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| borco | hi | 18:27 |
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| berndhs | faenil_: looks good from here | 18:28 |
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| faenil_ | no 400 bad request? | 18:29 |
| berndhs | no, looks like a website | 18:29 |
| mikhas | jkt, seems they agreed on MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN | 18:29 |
| borco | what is the correct way to detect that i am running on harmattan? is there some define? | 18:30 |
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| faenil_ | berndhs: weird...I can't access the website....how does that come :O | 18:31 |
| berndhs | they don't like you ? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil_: check/clean your cookiejar | 18:32 |
| berndhs | it does say "beta" on the site | 18:32 |
| faenil_ | DocScrutinizer: it was working until 5 mins ago, I'll try cleaning things up now | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil_: so it might be load balancer issue | 18:33 |
| faenil_ | nah works now... | 18:33 |
| faenil_ | strange... | 18:33 |
| jkt | mikhas: as for the qmake scope, or for a C++ #define? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | faenil_: some time (years) ago we had occasional inconsistencies on the server farm. This led to such effects. Not seen them for long time, but maybe Akamai is feeling nostalgic today ;-D | 18:34 |
| faenil_ | ok :D | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I don't even know where nokia.com is hosted now, in particular developer.qt.nokia.com | 18:36 |
| mikhas | C++ #define, for qmake scope it seems to be MEEGO_EDITION=harmattan | 18:36 |
| mikhas | but not sure | 18:36 |
| mikhas | man, someone should have just posted the outcome of that bug on the public QTBUG … | 18:36 |
| ajalkane | ah annoying. Can't play music and record a video at the same time on N950 | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems like developer.qt.nokia.com is trolltech.net is vifsla.nokia.kunder.linpro.no. | 18:40 |
| faenil_ | trying to add this stupid glwidget in the qml... | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ajalkane: would that make any sense at all? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | technically it *might* be possible to playback arbitrary sound via AV-headset connector, while recording same time from the builtin stereo mic | 18:49 |
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| faenil_ | DocScrutinizer: bad request 400, again | 19:09 |
| faenil_ | DocScrutinizer: I have deleted cache and cookie, and it's working, now I created a new thread, and boom, bad request again | 19:11 |
| borco | mikhas: worked as described on http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Porting_Fremantle_Applications_to_Harmattan | 19:12 |
| borco | mikhas: the define was not there otherwise... | 19:12 |
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| mikhas | ah good | 19:26 |
| ZrZ | hi | 19:38 |
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| rzr | have u tested have u tested http://apps-beta.meego.com/applications/meego/trunk/universal/Games/Rfk/ | 19:38 |
| * rzr is crazy | 19:38 | |
| djszapi_ | not yet not yet :) | 19:38 |
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| rzr | djszapi: do what are u building now ? kdelibs seems over now ? | 19:43 |
| faenil_ | somebody help me show my qglwidget inside a qml pleeeeeease ... | 19:44 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: I build my life :) | 19:45 |
| djszapi_ | faenil_: set the viewport, that is | 19:46 |
| faenil_ | that only shows the widget... | 19:46 |
| faenil_ | I need to add qml ui | 19:46 |
| djszapi_ | wasn't it discussed few hours ago ? | 19:46 |
| djszapi_ | what help do you need, something is not clear in theory, some implementation is buggy, or ? | 19:47 |
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| faenil_ | it wasn't discussed, unfortunately, none could help me :D | 19:49 |
| faenil_ | I mean | 19:49 |
| faenil_ | I want to use the QDeclarativeItem way | 19:49 |
| faenil_ | but what about resizeGL(), initializeGL()? | 19:49 |
| faenil_ | something like this | 19:50 |
| faenil_ | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/8374 | 19:50 |
| faenil_ | but they have just thrivial gl calls there | 19:50 |
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| faenil_ | lol, am I unlucky or wut XD | 19:51 |
| rantom | hmm | 20:04 |
| rantom | is it just me or is the Store very crashy? | 20:05 |
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| rantom | i'm trying to download Flashlight and it just loops the oage and crashes, asking to be quitted | 20:05 |
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| faenil_ | anyway, at the moment I'm trying the setViewport thing only | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | but the glwidget now doesn't receive keypress anymore | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | why? | 20:13 |
| faenil_ | I'm also using setFocusPolicy(Qt::StrongFocus) on the widget | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rantom: i tried minesweeper ans it froze the page while no feedback beyond that for actual action. Then otoh my router signalled heavy downloads for some 15min | 21:20 |
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| rantom | DocScrutinizer: I tried it on the 3G | 21:22 |
| rantom | Same issue, I think | 21:22 |
| rantom | And btw, if you disable automatic connections and launch Email with configured account, press then Refresh, the app closes | 21:23 |
| rantom | I'd file a bug but I don't know where to file it | 21:23 |
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| rantom | Since it's not bugs.meego.com in this case | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | Moo, people | 22:07 |
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| tomma | rantom, try http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/enter_bug.cgi | 22:09 |
| rantom | Moo | 22:09 |
| rantom | tomma: Thanks, I'll file it tomorrow when I have more time | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | Yahooo: New York ordering first mandatory evacuations in city history | 22:11 |
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| RST38h | Obama: Hurricane Irene likely to be 'historic' | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Have they run out of stories to run, or is it really going tobe historic? =) | 22:14 |
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| Milhouse | anyone with a suggestion how to get the N950 dial/hangup screen working again - have done absolutely *nothing* to the n950 since yesterday when it last worked... now, useless as a phone (have tried rebooting, plus removing the last contact I added) | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | reflash? | 22:24 |
| Milhouse | hi... thank god for bug #347... | 22:24 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347 is not accessible | 22:24 |
| Milhouse | just got to the bottom of the bug comments and tried the instructions in comment #4 which seem to have done the trick! :) | 22:25 |
| Milhouse | shut up meegobot - http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=347 | 22:25 |
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| djszapi_2 | Could someone please give me the url of the libqt4-gui package ? | 23:07 |
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| fiferboy | YES! My patch to allow user selectable colours in QML works! | 23:23 |
| fiferboy | (colours 1-19 from MeeGoTouch) | 23:25 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants Fennec. | 23:29 | |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Didn't I link you to Fennec the other day? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did youL | 23:34 |
| fiferboy | http://shmerl.freeshell.net/dev/fennec/harmattan_1.2011.22-6/nightly/ | 23:35 |
| fiferboy | If you want to build it yourself: https://wiki.mozilla.org/How_To_Build_Fennec_on_Harmattan_SDK | 23:36 |
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| * fiferboy just created a merge request for the colour patch in Qt Components :D | 23:51 | |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: man, the builtin browser has to be quite bad if you are rooting for fennec! :) | 23:52 |
| djszapi_2 | heh :D | 23:52 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: You can root the N950?! ;) | 23:52 |
| javispedro | not that meaning of rooting! | 23:53 |
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