| djszapi | fiferboy: well, from what I see, it is meego and symbian | 00:00 |
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| djszapi | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/trees/master/src | 00:00 |
| fiferboy | D'oh, it was never QML exmaple that took screenshots >_> | 00:00 |
| fiferboy | It was boosted widget gallery | 00:00 |
| Venemo | yea | 00:00 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Yeah, those are the main ones now | 00:00 |
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| djszapi | that pretty much is no go :) | 00:01 |
| fiferboy | Desktop is most likely coming | 00:01 |
| djszapi | I tend to use QML also on desktop | 00:01 |
| Venemo | there are QML desktop components | 00:01 |
| djszapi | also on fremantle and so on'n stuff =) | 00:01 |
| djszapi | oh ? | 00:02 |
| fiferboy | I think I heard talk about Fremantle, but I can't be sure if it is definite | 00:02 |
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| djszapi | fiferboy: meego as in arm and also intel meego ? | 00:02 |
| fiferboy | MeeGo is mostly Harmattan, I think, but there is an experimental branch that will work in generic MeeGo | 00:03 |
| djszapi | well, it is clearly no go then yet for me. | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | there is a blog post in which someone tells the story of porting the components to real MeeGo and also to Fremantle | 00:04 |
| djszapi | my QML way worked just fine on desktop, fremantle, meego arm, meego intel, harmattan and so on. | 00:04 |
| djszapi | real MeeGo :D | 00:04 |
| Venemo | well, Harmattan is not real MeeGo | 00:04 |
| djszapi | Harmattan is not meego in general | 00:05 |
| Venemo | although when people ask what is on the N950, I just say MeeGo. no need co confuse the simple-minded | 00:05 |
| djszapi | from the ground, already. | 00:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Kate Ahola is porting | 00:05 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, yes, it was her blog I was referring to | 00:05 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: meego to N9* ? | 00:05 |
| djszapi | also components ? | 00:05 |
| djszapi | s/also/or/ | 00:06 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: No, Components to desktop, Fremantle, plain ol' MeeGo | 00:06 |
| djszapi | without that, it is no go for me. | 00:06 |
| fiferboy | It'll probably be a while yet | 00:06 |
| fiferboy | Anyway, got to run | 00:06 |
| djszapi | it just confines the original purpose of the Qt framework, the cross-platform thingy. | 00:06 |
| fiferboy | Talk to you guys tomorrow | 00:07 |
| Venemo | ok, bye fiferboy, have a nice evening :) | 00:07 |
| fiferboy | exit | 00:07 |
| fiferboy | exit | 00:07 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: Kate in full-time or as a leisure time contribution ? | 00:08 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, I don't know | 00:09 |
| djszapi | I will ask her the next meego meetup :) | 00:09 |
| piggz | qt-components is on n900-ce and maemo, http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-components/ | 00:10 |
| Venemo | that's Kate's work, yes | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | piggz, there will be Qt 4.7.4 on maemo soon, if it matters | 00:10 |
| djszapi | Katix Embedded Linux -> blol | 00:11 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: oh, good news. | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, libircclient-qt is on rzr's repo if you want binaries | 00:11 |
| javispedro | hoping MTF for Maemo might follow =) | 00:11 |
| piggz | MohammadAG: cool, r u doing that in cssu? | 00:11 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG, I was hoping you could point me to a -dev package as well :) | 00:11 |
| djszapi | Venemo: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/libircclient-qt-dev_0.5.0.9_armel.deb | 00:13 |
| Venemo | ah, thank you djszapi | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | piggz, yes | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon found the raster bug was caused by a gcc optimization flag | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | so since that's squashed, Qt 4.7.4 will be on maemo this week | 00:17 |
| Venemo | heh | 00:18 |
| Venemo | maybe because the old version of GCC it uses? | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, rzr's repo is like extras-devel for now | 00:18 |
| javispedro | except there is no non-free ;) | 00:18 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, I see | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | maybe, it's a minor change, from -O3 to -O2 | 00:18 |
| Venemo | javispedro :) | 00:18 |
| djszapi | well, rzr said opensource or die :D | 00:18 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, what does -Ox do? | 00:18 |
| Venemo | djszapi, and RzR is right | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | No idea, it's a flag, that's all I know :p | 00:19 |
| javispedro | I do not think OBS supports non-free at all | 00:19 |
| Venemo | heh, ok | 00:19 |
| javispedro | correct me if wrong :) | 00:19 |
| Venemo | it does not | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'll correct you | 00:19 |
| Venemo | if you're non-free, go to Ovi or AppUp. | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | send a source with binaries | 00:19 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 00:19 | |
| javispedro | Venemo: three words: nonfree but gratis | 00:20 |
| Venemo | mhm | 00:20 |
| javispedro | e.g. opera | 00:20 |
| javispedro | (also: was firefox still published to nonfree because they couldn't build it via the autobuilder? :) ) | 00:21 |
| djszapi | Mmm, I do not see any property for alternate text in the Image element of QtQuick. What is the common practice to solve it ? | 00:24 |
| djszapi | manual exist javascript method ? :D | 00:24 |
| Venemo | javispedro, nope, FF was published in its own repo | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, how's your IRC client going? | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, patched communi | 00:27 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, coming well. it's "just" a GUI, right now I've started to build the models | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/communi_2.0.0.5_armel.deb | 00:30 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, does it work well on da N950? at all? | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | communi? yeah, with meegotouch-qt-style | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | better than nothing, work on your client :P | 00:36 |
| Venemo | meh, I was hoping to get an excuse for abandoning it! | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, how does the launcher determine which apps belong to which package again? | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | no no no, don't! | 00:37 |
| Venemo | :P:P | 00:37 |
| Venemo | I hate it when I'm duplicating efforts. | 00:37 |
| Venemo | I've already heard about two different people who are working on IRC clients, but none of them responded to my pings. | 00:38 |
| Venemo | also hiemanshu says he's working on one... | 00:38 |
| Venemo | and there is still no usable one, so despite me wasting a week of development time on my GF's flat, there is still no good IRC client for Harmattan | 00:40 |
| Venemo | meaning, I could be the first to make one :) | 00:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: "MeeGo-Desktop-Entry-Filename" | 00:43 |
| javispedro | I mean | 00:43 |
| javispedro | XB-MeeGo-Desktop-Entry-Filename in binary package control file | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | full path I guess? | 00:44 |
| javispedro | technically not | 00:45 |
| javispedro | but since I do not think this is standarized.. | 00:45 |
| javispedro | I would put full path. | 00:45 |
| javispedro | oh, wait. | 00:45 |
| javispedro | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-creator/qt-creator/commit/3fcc88fc84a7ad667b38394eb1f97b805dd41aa7/diffs?diffmode=sidebyside&fragment=1 | 00:46 |
| javispedro | that is fun. | 00:46 |
| javispedro | but the code is in the package-manager. | 00:46 |
| javispedro | I should try this someday. | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | nope, doesn't work | 00:47 |
| javispedro | it will surely not work if you do not use package-manage.r | 00:48 |
| javispedro | which you are not using as it has no UI :) | 00:48 |
| javispedro | but it exposes a d-bus service. | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | seems like I need a digisums file | 00:48 |
| * javispedro grumbles while getting off the chair to get the n950 | 00:48 | |
| MohammadAG | how do I get that? | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | cutetube does it | 00:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: are you using sbox? | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 00:49 |
| javispedro | you should get it automatically | 00:49 |
| javispedro | find it inside your binary package, control.tar.gz | 00:49 |
| javispedro | cutetube does what, btw? | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | oh yeah | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | cutetube has an X button in the app manager | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | app launcher* | 00:50 |
| javispedro | maybe they are starting to do that automatically? /me goes search cutetube source | 00:50 |
| rm_work | npm: ah, got it! need to test it out, but looks like ffmpeg finally compiled | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, nothing special in the control file | 00:54 |
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| Venemo | hm | 01:01 |
| Venemo | dunno how's it with you guys, but I haven't even touched my N900 since I got the N950. | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: javispedro: I assumed it was done using one of the triggers you can see during console aptyness. | 01:01 |
| Venemo | except when I plugged out the SIM card, and when I tried a QML app which wasn't working on it :( | 01:01 |
| npm | rm_work: awesome.... | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: javispedro: i.e. a precomputed index of 'dpkg -S $DESKTOP_FILE.desktop' | 01:02 |
| rm_work | npm: you still even need it? :P or am i too late to be useful, lol | 01:02 |
| Venemo | alterego, ping | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | weird, cause on SDK it was pkgmgr the one updating the database | 01:07 |
| javispedro | (which is on /usr/share/applications/installer-extra) | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | :s | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, type /settings in communi to change font size | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | use enter where the next button cannot be seen | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | k, this is kinda usable | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | text entry is slow as fuck | 01:13 |
| Venemo | in communi? | 01:14 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: which triggers do you see? | 01:15 |
| javispedro | I mean, I see desktop-file-utils and hicolor-icon-theme (all of them debian) | 01:15 |
| javispedro | those depend on where you placed files, so I'm interested :) | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Those are the two I remembered seeing, but not on my Debian systems (admittedly, my Debian systems are headless and I don't often install new GUI software on my Ubuntu boxen, let alone via the cli) | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I assumed it was desktop-file-utils, but it was a mahoosive assumption ;-) | 01:16 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:16 |
| javispedro | I think it just calls update-desktop-database | 01:16 |
| * Jaffa goes back in his box. Which, this evening, seems to be responding to TMO trolls. | 01:17 | |
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| javispedro | why hasn't this abill_uk guy been forever banned is over me. | 01:19 |
| javispedro | well, my packages do not get the X icon if I don't do the preparation on them. | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, Reggie's argument is - as far as I can tell - he hasn't explicitly broken any bannable rules | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | what preparation | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I've not done anything to Attitude out of Qt Creator & mud2, and it gets an "X" icon | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: As does, in fact, *every* single package I've installed | 01:23 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: you install it via dpkg -i ? | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | Who read tmo anymore? | 01:23 |
| javispedro | or you tap on it on the browser? | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Most things through the browser. Attitude - Qt Creator originally, then apt-get, then in UI upgrade | 01:23 |
| Venemo | GAN900 ++ | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: But the future of Maemo is at STAKE!!!111!!!1112 | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa reads tmo for me. | 01:24 |
| javispedro | I think dpkg-i alone doesn't cut it, because of what I was saying previously... /me puts theory to a test by uploading package to webserver.. | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | Can it be steak instead? | 01:24 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Bah, the whole reason for coming up with MWKN was so that someone else would read it for *me* | 01:24 |
| Jaffa | With bacon? | 01:24 |
| Venemo | javispedro, maybe Qt Creator does something to those packages that you don't do? | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | With a little bit of A1 on the side? | 01:24 |
| kimju | GAN900, luckily so many that the trolls have big enough audience to stay there.. | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, you don't work the con well enough. | 01:25 |
| javispedro | Venemo: according to that commit I quoted many lines above seemingly qt creator _used to_, but no longer does :S | 01:25 |
| Venemo | hmm | 01:25 |
| Venemo | weird | 01:25 |
| Venemo | well, I no longer use Qt Creator's packaging | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | kimju, I don't recognize any of the nicks on there anymore. | 01:26 |
| javispedro | btw, selene, rover, and ??? (n950) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | ? | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | all packages I get from the browser show invalid package | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | aegis prevents a codename | 01:26 |
| javispedro | so I shall use "aegis" as codename then | 01:27 |
| javispedro | ah, Dali. | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | oh yeah yeah I have one | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | the burning platform | 01:27 |
| javispedro | btw, don't you notice that neither the arrow keys nor the space bar do anything on browser and cry a little inside? | 01:28 |
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| javispedro | oh, this is nice -- I realized that the install ui reads the aegis manifest | 01:30 |
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| Venemo | javispedro, I cry inside when I see any of the portrait-only apps. | 01:31 |
| javispedro | this means there might actually be android-style "do you want to install app X which will 'read your contacts', 'take obscene pictures of you', and 'send them to your girlfriend'?" | 01:31 |
| javispedro | aha | 01:31 |
| javispedro | Using the browser to install worked fine here, and.. | 01:31 |
| javispedro | got the X icon. | 01:31 |
| javispedro | so, I hereby confirm my theory on the basis of this anecdote. | 01:32 |
| javispedro | probably, updating a package will also cause you to get the X icon, because it invokes pkgmgr | 01:32 |
| javispedro | but installing it via dpkg -i alone _will not_ | 01:33 |
| Venemo | so how does QtC do it? | 01:33 |
| javispedro | maybe it invokes pkgmgr, you tell me :) | 01:33 |
| kimju | X icon? | 01:33 |
| Venemo | well it does use dpkg and then aegis-install, or whatever it is | 01:34 |
| javispedro | kimju: the uninstall from launcher icon | 01:34 |
| kimju | oh. I managed to get something like that when I forcibly replased couple of packages (terminal, xkb-data) that mp-harmattan-rm680-pr or some other official package required by specific version. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | you managed to get What? | 01:36 |
| kimju | took some manual removing of "marked bad" .desktop files to clean after that :) | 01:36 |
| javispedro | ah | 01:36 |
| javispedro | you mean the broken package launcher icon | 01:36 |
| javispedro | aka http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/installbroken.png | 01:37 |
| kimju | couple of different of those. | 01:37 |
| javispedro | we are talking about the uninstall X, this one http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/installuninstall.png | 01:37 |
| kimju | ok, that's new to me. | 01:38 |
| wazd | javispedro: use my icon. Now! :D | 01:39 |
| javispedro | btw, if you use pkgmgr to install, then dpkg -i to upgrade, dpkg ignores an existing installer-extra .desktop entry, so the X icon is kept | 01:39 |
| javispedro | wazd: my pleasure! | 01:39 |
| javispedro | ;D | 01:39 |
| javispedro | oooooooooh | 01:40 |
| javispedro | pkgmgr actually has _cmd line parameters_ to install packages | 01:40 |
| wazd | javispedro: In exchange you should tell me how to extract fonts from the device :D | 01:41 |
| javispedro | wazd: they are on /usr/share/fonts | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | if only someone actually downloaded package-manager's source... | 01:41 |
| javispedro | do you have ssh or similar? | 01:41 |
| wazd | javispedro: yep | 01:42 |
| javispedro | wazd: and sftp? get into /usr/share/fonts and copy everything | 01:42 |
| javispedro | specially inside "nokia" | 01:42 |
| javispedro | otherwise, launch terminal, write "cp -r /usr/share/fonts /home/user/MyDocs/fonts" carefully, then use usb cable and mass storage to copy | 01:42 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: haha | 01:43 |
| wazd | javispedro: cp: can't preserve permissions of '/home/user/MyDocs/fonts': Operation not permi tted | 01:44 |
| javispedro | wazd: do not worry | 01:44 |
| wazd | adn so on :( | 01:44 |
| javispedro | the files will be there on a "fonts" directory when you plug the cable | 01:45 |
| wazd | javispedro: woo :) | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | that's more of a warning | 01:45 |
| wazd | javispedro: awesome, thanks :) | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | it happens when copying to a partition that doesn't support unix permissions (ntfs/fat32) | 01:45 |
| javispedro | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# pkgmgr install-file -V -f /mnt/dev/ports/dosbox/dosbox_0. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | 74-0maemo4_armel.deb | 01:45 |
| javispedro | that's the proper way to invoke pkgmgr. | 01:46 |
| javispedro | no dbus-send magic needed! /me is happy. | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, any progress on the fmtx? | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | I realize it sucks but I know someone with a bomb shelter to test in | 01:46 |
| javispedro | they say fmtx is broken, so I've not even tried. | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | it works, just no antenaa | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | antenna* | 01:47 |
| javispedro | but I'd guess whoever tried would get stopped by what's stopping me currently, no interrupts from audio codec | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | fmtx not rx | 01:47 |
| javispedro | since fmtx & fmrx both use the same codec | 01:47 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 01:47 |
| javispedro | so you are not able to do fmrx->fmtx like you could on N900 btw ;) | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm guessing you need the datasheet? | 01:48 |
| Venemo | everyone needs that datasheet and also the schematics | 01:49 |
| javispedro | I think it must be something stupid on my part, so for the moment I prefer to have someone trying alsa tunables like crazy like Doc did | 01:49 |
| javispedro | (he tried to find if there was an analog passthrough for audio, but didn't find any) | 01:49 |
| javispedro | *fmrx audio. | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'll ask abill_uk for help | 01:50 |
| Venemo | lol | 01:50 |
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| wazd | javispedro: http://i016.radikal.ru/1108/47/8d96ceba8abb.png :P | 01:55 |
| Venemo | wazd, is that your app? | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | damn that looks nice | 01:55 |
| wazd | Venemo: well, not mine personally but yes | 01:55 |
| javispedro | wazd: the font you used before already looked much like nokia sans :9 | 01:55 |
| wazd | javispedro: it was :D | 01:55 |
| Venemo | I _WANT_ that weather apP! | 01:55 |
| Venemo | you feel me? I want it! | 01:56 |
| wazd | Venemo: me too, that's why I'm working on it :) | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, I'm guessing clicking the days expands them anm like the first one? | 01:56 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: not sure right now, I'd prefer move to the dedicated screen | 01:57 |
| Venemo | wazd, I want it to also put the weather into the home screen | 01:57 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: but we should test it :) | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | what homescreen? | 01:57 |
| wazd | I want app icon to show current temperature | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | that's doable, technically | 01:58 |
| wazd | yeah, in my head it's definitely doable :D | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | provide a default icon with no text | 01:58 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, the first one. with notifications | 01:58 |
| wazd | well, we have svg icons for those things :) | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | write some C++ code to write text on that image | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | I'd prefer png, QtSvg is deprecated | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | replace the image | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | touch the desktop file | 01:59 |
| wazd | anyway, I still don't like the look of weather details | 02:01 |
| wazd | don't know what exactly is wrong though :( | 02:02 |
| * npm is to late to reply to " <rm_work> npm: you still even need it? :P or am i too late to be useful, lol" --> yes many people will find ffmpeg useful | 02:04 | |
| * npm was not going to get interrupted until i solved my qtwebkit pukling on self-signed certs | 02:05 | |
| npm | which i just did :-) | 02:05 |
| npm | by combining http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/21470-SSL-Problem and http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Why_does_QML_require_QDeclarativeNetworkAccessManagerFactory into solution | 02:06 |
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| Venemo | meh, this miserable piece of a laptop froze again... | 02:07 |
| npm | now i can finally announce http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: no package works for me from the browser | 02:09 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: have linkie? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got an irssi package? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro: any deb | 02:09 |
| javispedro | try http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/dali/dosbox_0.74-0maemo4_armel.deb | 02:10 |
| javispedro | hmm.. maybe bad example, you need SDL from my COBS.. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: can you dpkg -i this, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/javispedro%3a/SDL/harmattan/armel/libsdl1.2_1.2.14-0maemo4_armel.deb | 02:11 |
| javispedro | then try from browser clicking on http://depot.javispedro.com/dosbox/dali/dosbox_0.74-0maemo4_armel.deb | 02:11 |
| javispedro | (note: that dosbox is basically unmodified n900's, thus you cannot enter symbols) | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | why does it say invalid for libsdl? | 02:12 |
| javispedro | ok, good point. | 02:13 |
| javispedro | ok | 02:17 |
| javispedro | it might be because of user/ | 02:17 |
| javispedro | ? | 02:17 |
| javispedro | technically, since meego that's been changed with "XB-Maemo-Flags: visible", but maybe user/ is still around for compatibility or sth. | 02:18 |
| javispedro | hah, haha. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | the mozilla guys _also_ use a single source package for all the maemo fennec packagings | 02:22 |
| javispedro | and they complain about _my_ packaging | 02:23 |
| javispedro | and as me mozilla guys also define harmattan as maemo6 :) | 02:23 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: I was able to also install this package via browser: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36157236/cutetube_0_2_1_armel.deb can you? | 02:38 |
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| hardaker2 | where are instructions for flashing a new firmware image for the n950? | 02:56 |
| hardaker2 | anyone know? | 02:56 |
| ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 02:57 |
| hardaker2 | Ah, cool... thanks! | 02:57 |
| hardaker2 | (not that I expect it to work) | 02:57 |
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| Venemo | is there a new firmware? | 03:26 |
| ieatlint | no, it's dated june 21 | 03:26 |
| Venemo | meh. | 03:27 |
| Venemo | I almost hoped that there is a new one. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Not beyond the realms of possibility that for the new devices... Doubt it though. | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, we're on relatively ancient firmware given the pace of development | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | nah, i suspect they only did one production run, and they were all made with the same firmware | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | congrats, btw, SpeedEvil | 03:29 |
| ieatlint | welcome to the elitist club i suppose | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a very goo club - I've had phones which are much better clubs. | 03:30 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, for example? | 03:30 |
| hardaker2 | I wanted only only because mine won't boot. | 03:30 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the n900 was a lot bulkier for that | 03:30 |
| hardaker2 | those it's doing better than 2 days ago when it wouldn't do anything. | 03:30 |
| hardaker2 | DHL delivered it dripping wet in the box | 03:30 |
| ieatlint | hardaker2: dead battery? | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I had an old brick phone- second hand. | 03:30 |
| hardaker2 | ieatlint: I actually figured the battery is toast from the water. | 03:30 |
| ieatlint | ergh, you should email DDP support ASAP and let them know | 03:30 |
| hardaker2 | ieatlint: I did that 10 minutes after it arrived. | 03:31 |
| hardaker2 | I sent pictures too. | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | hardaker2: In general, you need to remove the battery, and leave it to dry | 03:31 |
| ieatlint | ASAP so that they may still have some n950s on hand t replace them... i know at least one other person got a defective one and they promptly rpelaced it | 03:31 |
| hardaker2 | SpeedEvil: generally yes, except it's not a removalable battery. | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is another reason I don't like sealed phones | 03:31 |
| hardaker2 | (though I didn't try a prybar ;-) | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | hardaker2: It is. | 03:31 |
| ieatlint | torx t4 | 03:31 |
| hardaker2 | they said they'd replace it. | 03:31 |
| ieatlint | yeah, don't open it then | 03:32 |
| hardaker2 | though.... that was a few days ago and I haven't heard since. | 03:32 |
| hardaker2 | I think I need to bug them again. | 03:32 |
| hardaker2 | as my friend put it: "that's like getting a new toy for CHristmas only to find out that the battery store isn't open till the next holiday" | 03:32 |
| Venemo | mhm | 03:33 |
| ieatlint | uses the same battery as the n8 and n810 i'm told | 03:33 |
| ieatlint | but if they're replacing it, i'd keep it sealed just so they can't claim you broke it | 03:33 |
| hardaker2 | ieatlint: that's what I thought | 03:33 |
| hardaker2 | as tempting as the screwdriver was. | 03:34 |
| ieatlint | good luck :) | 03:34 |
| ieatlint | i'm blindly hoping they'll make the n9 available for purchase via the DDP for forum nokia launchpad members | 03:35 |
| hardaker2 | I'm blindly hoping they'll make the n950 availabel for purchase | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm blindly hopping. | 03:37 |
| * SpeedEvil falls into a well. | 03:37 | |
| ieatlint | they have no reason to make the n950 available for purchase i suspect | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 03:38 |
| Venemo | I think he means that at some point we can buy "our" N950s | 03:38 |
| Venemo | what the heck would Nokia do with hundreds of used N950s anyway? | 03:38 |
| hardaker2 | No, I don't want *this* one. | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Exciting platforms are rather less exciting when you can't introduce people to them, and if they're interested enough let them buy one. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if you happen to own an instance. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Hopefuly the n9 is introduced well. | 03:40 |
| Venemo | maybe they'll just leave the N950s with us. | 03:42 |
| Venemo | those who participated in the N900 programme said that their N900s were never called for. | 03:43 |
| Venemo | btw SpeedEvil, welcome to the club | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:43 |
| ieatlint | i don't think you have anything to worry about as long as you work on what you got the phone for | 03:44 |
| Venemo | agreed, so let's assume that I will do that for let's say... half a year... or a year. | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The phone of a thousand years. | 03:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, just enjoy it, there's nothing after this on the horizon :P | 03:45 |
| Venemo | then what use would be a year-old obsolete dev device for them? | 03:46 |
| Venemo | plus, by that time, maybe a true meego device will come along which I will want to buy | 03:46 |
| ieatlint | sure it will.. | 03:47 |
| Venemo | who knows | 03:47 |
| Venemo | worst case, I'll get me a WP7 device... :P | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe I'll have won the lottery, and made an open phone and laptop. :) | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The latter with a 4:3 screen. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems the only way it'd happen. | 03:48 |
| Venemo | xD | 03:48 |
| Venemo | WP7 development is kinda fun. unfortunately Qt is a lot more fun, especially QML is a lot more fun than XAML | 03:51 |
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| ieatlint | wow, someone said qml is fun | 03:51 |
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| Venemo | I admit it... I _hated_ it at the beginning | 03:52 |
| Venemo | but now, with qt-components, it's good enough | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, it is. | 03:54 |
| Venemo | and because QML can have bindings with any Javascript expression, which XAML can't | 03:54 |
| Venemo | so more complex bindings are a pain with XAML. | 03:55 |
| hardaker2 | holy crap.... reflashing it worked! | 03:56 |
| Venemo | hardaker2, welcome to the club :) | 03:59 |
| hardaker2 | thanks! now I gotta go play! | 03:59 |
| hardaker2 | hmm... dinner (which I just finished making) or let it get cold while playing.... | 04:00 |
| hardaker2 | decisions decisions | 04:00 |
| javispedro | bah, dinner? | 04:00 |
| javispedro | I usually have to choose between my life getting cold while playing and the device. | 04:00 |
| Venemo | what do you mean? | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh my. This sourdough bread is awesome. | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Ebay is wonderful. | 04:03 |
| ieatlint | mmm, sourdough | 04:04 |
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| hardaker2 | err... how do you CLOSE applications? | 04:47 |
| twoboxen | can someone point me to a BASIC QtQuick example that has a single QGLWidget | 04:47 |
| Tronic | twoboxen: You cannot use BASIC with Qt Quick, only QML and C++. | 04:48 |
| Tronic | :P | 04:48 |
| twoboxen | haha | 04:49 |
| twoboxen | fair enough… I have tried having a QGLWidget as the root element and also QMainWindow | 04:49 |
| twoboxen | neither work in Harmattan, and both work fine in the desktop | 04:49 |
| twoboxen | i just want to show one g.d. opengl context… even a blank screen | 04:49 |
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| ieatlint | hardaker2: go to task manager (one of the "views" of the homescreen) and long press on the screen | 04:50 |
| ieatlint | a red x will appear over each application... you should be able to figure it out from there | 04:51 |
| hardaker2 | that's the only way? | 04:51 |
| hardaker2 | (I just found that one....) | 04:51 |
| hardaker2 | better than none, but .... | 04:52 |
| Venemo | hardaker2, there's a better way in newer firmwares, but not in the one currently on N950s | 04:52 |
| hardaker2 | oh good | 04:52 |
| antman8969 | what is that better way? | 04:52 |
| hardaker2 | I like Xs in the upper corner ;-) | 04:53 |
| twoboxen | mind control | 04:53 |
| Venemo | it's been said that in the final version, "swiping" from the top edge will close the app | 04:53 |
| antman8969 | do we know when the n950s get updates? | 04:53 |
| twoboxen | anyone know when we'll see a firmware update? | 04:53 |
| twoboxen | haha ^^ | 04:53 |
| Venemo | we do not know | 04:53 |
| antman8969 | lol | 04:53 |
| twoboxen | I heard n9 release on sept 15ish | 04:54 |
| antman8969 | sweden aparently | 04:54 |
| antman8969 | I think a countdown site was launched | 04:54 |
| twoboxen | ok, so NO ONE knows how to do opengl on harmattan? | 04:54 |
| Venemo | twoboxen, QML is already OpenGL accelerated | 04:54 |
| Venemo | also javispedro ported SDL | 04:55 |
| antman8969 | yea.. not sure what you mean | 04:55 |
| Tronic | twoboxen: Nice, I will consider that a birthday present if it actually happens on that very day :) | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | Ok, I'm new to QML | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | long time Qt | 04:55 |
| hardaker2 | its' funny... everyone complained that the n900 didn't have enough portrait support. I see they went too far the other way to compensate on the 950 | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | so how do I port an opengl app in Qt C++ to QML? | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | the wiki is a placeholder | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | hardaker2: so true :) | 04:55 |
| Venemo | twoboxen, you don't necessarily need to do that | 04:55 |
| twoboxen | I didn't think so | 04:56 |
| antman8969 | http://swipe.nokia.se/ official nokia countdown | 04:56 |
| antman8969 | 49 days | 04:56 |
| twoboxen | but i can't get a basic OpenGLES 1 context to show | 04:56 |
| Venemo | twoboxen, javispedro can help you I think | 04:57 |
| twoboxen | Venemo: ok, i'll try… thx | 05:04 |
| twoboxen | Is harmattan considered "Qt for Embedded Linux"? http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/qt-embeddedlinux-opengl.html#introduction | 05:19 |
| ieatlint | hardaker2: i suspect the lack of real portrait support is due to the release phone being the n9 | 05:21 |
| hardaker2 | probably, but still... | 05:22 |
| ieatlint | but if you search the forums, there is a way to get the application icons into landscape, with some minor issues | 05:22 |
| hardaker2 | when you need to type in a field, it's pretty silly to have to use a half-width even-virtual keyboard. | 05:22 |
| hardaker2 | I have to say, I am impressed at the phone-to-phone sync. | 05:22 |
| hardaker2 | it simply said "turn on the other phone" and I did. | 05:22 |
| hardaker2 | that's the easiest I've ever synced anything. ever. | 05:23 |
| ieatlint | they have a real product here... i'm sure many are in disbelief at what elop did | 05:23 |
| ieatlint | but i guess it's been delayed so much already that the momentum is long gone | 05:24 |
| hardaker2 | annoyed it doesn't let you launch compiled apps from the terminal. | 05:26 |
| hardaker2 | that surprises me... unless it's doing something more than typical +x permissions | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis. | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Welcome to the jungle. | 05:27 |
| hardaker2 | so it needs to be in an aegis folder? | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | There are good reasons for it. | 05:27 |
| hardaker2 | or owned by it? | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | But it gets in the way of some dev. | 05:27 |
| hardaker2 | (I noticed teh user) | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis is a security infrastructure. | 05:27 |
| * hardaker2 needs to start reading apparently. | 05:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | You can only (easily) run binaries it knows the signature of. | 05:28 |
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| rm_you | npm: well ffmpeg is in my repo now... buuuut.... not sure how to get spekle, since it seems to require GTK | 05:35 |
| rm_you | also my version of ffmpeg may be slightly too old | 05:37 |
| rm_you | will have to move forward a few months | 05:38 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 05:42 |
| rm_you | :P | 05:42 |
| hardaker2 | Well, I got my first native qt app running. that's not too bad. | 05:44 |
| hardaker2 | but now I understand why you must rewrite everything in QML... | 05:44 |
| hardaker2 | (sigh) | 05:44 |
| Venemo | hardaker2 :) | 05:45 |
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| hardaker2 | wow. root can't create .ssh in ~developer. | 05:49 |
| hardaker2 | that's new. | 05:50 |
| antman8969 | is a daemon considered a form of a service? | 05:52 |
| ieatlint | more or less | 05:53 |
| antman8969 | never used either one, looking for a documentation atm.. | 05:54 |
| ieatlint | a daemon is an application that runs in the background and performs actions on demand | 05:55 |
| ieatlint | for instance, a web server | 05:55 |
| antman8969 | do you know any documentation off the top of your head for incorporating them into Qt appications (or featuring them) | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | uh, to create a daemon? | 05:57 |
| antman8969 | eya | 05:58 |
| ieatlint | many ways to do it, just google | 05:58 |
| antman8969 | I guess a better question would be | 06:00 |
| antman8969 | does aegis restrict daemon functionality in any imortant way that we know of? | 06:00 |
| ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/service-frameworks.html may be of relevance | 06:02 |
| ieatlint | i don't know the answer to that question, however | 06:02 |
| antman8969 | thanks | 06:03 |
| hardaker2 | my qml app looks much better.... | 06:03 |
| hardaker2 | of course | 06:03 |
| djszapi | antman8969: no, aegis does not restrict. | 06:04 |
| djszapi | any better than in any other case.. | 06:05 |
| SpeedEvil | A daemon is just another binary as far as Aegis is concerned. | 06:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | (and most things indeed) | 06:06 |
| infobot | Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer). | 06:06 |
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| antman8969 | ty djszapi | 06:08 |
| hardaker2 | grrr.... | 06:10 |
| hardaker2 | depends on libqt4-multimedia (>= 4.7.4~git20110516); however: | 06:10 |
| hardaker2 | Package libqt4-multimedia is not installed. | 06:10 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: | 06:17 |
| ieatlint | hardaker2: depending on what you wanted from qtmultimedia, try using qtmobility | 06:34 |
| hardaker2 | I was going to try just that actually. | 06:34 |
| hardaker2 | thanks for the name. | 06:34 |
| hardaker2 | I was just trying to look it up. | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | instead of "QT += multimedia" try "CONFIG += mobility" and "MOBILITY += multimedia" | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | then thank nokia for moving multimedia to mobility :) | 06:36 |
| hardaker2 | heh. | 06:36 |
| hardaker2 | I don't think I will. | 06:36 |
| hardaker2 | but I'm looking for quadio | 06:37 |
| hardaker2 | which doesn't seem to exist in the mobility version. | 06:37 |
| hardaker2 | that's going to take a lot more work I think to get that class working. | 06:37 |
| ieatlint | should be part of it | 06:39 |
| ieatlint | i use qaudioinput and qaudiodeviceinfo and it works via qtmobility | 06:39 |
| hardaker2 | Yeah, I may need to twiddle a lot. | 06:41 |
| hardaker2 | I'm actually using the signal generator example from the qt sources to generate a tone | 06:41 |
| hardaker2 | then sending it to an audiooutputdevice | 06:42 |
| hardaker2 | but the quadio class doesn't exist in mobility | 06:42 |
| ieatlint | uh, it's not in the qtmobility docs, but it's part of qtmobility's multimedia module (and is referenced/linked via the qtmobility docs) | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | it *should* work... | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | which is to say it works here | 06:47 |
| hardaker2 | well, most of it compiles after I remove a few references. | 06:47 |
| hardaker2 | but... | 06:47 |
| hardaker2 | quaudioformat is DNE, which is a link error | 06:47 |
| hardaker2 | as is qaudiooutput | 06:48 |
| ieatlint | i'm using QAudioFormat to setup my QAudioInput successfully | 06:49 |
| hardaker2 | really... | 06:50 |
| hardaker2 | must be in a module I'm not including. | 06:50 |
| hardaker2 | for good fun, try this: | 06:50 |
| hardaker2 | go to qtcreator, select the audio example, and build it for for the 950 | 06:50 |
| hardaker2 | I'll save you the suspense: it doesn't :-) | 06:50 |
| ieatlint | https://github.com/ieatlint/magread is my app -- note that it doesn't work quite right on harmattan, and you need to modify the project file yourself present with the changes i noted above, but the code itself will compile and run, it will list available audio devices and record | 06:51 |
| ieatlint | will try that | 06:51 |
| ieatlint | compiled fine without any modification for a harmattan target | 06:52 |
| hardaker2 | even with multimedia listed in the QT line? | 06:52 |
| ieatlint | well yeah, that'll compile, but give the dependency error on install | 06:53 |
| ieatlint | will try to install it, confirm that error, and then try it with qtmobility instead of qtmultimedia | 06:53 |
| hiemanshu | well the dependency error is stupid, because the packages are actually named something else | 06:53 |
| hiemanshu | it told me that qtwebkit didn't exist, but my app installed just fine | 06:54 |
| hiemanshu | s/installed/ran/ | 06:54 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: it told me that qtwebkit didn't exist, but my app ran just fine | 06:54 |
| ieatlint | haha, well, it installed and tried to run | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | says "/usr/share/qt4/examples/multimedia/audiodevices/audiodevices: Permission denied" and then immediately exits | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | but it compiled and installed :P | 06:55 |
| hardaker2 | heh | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | i think it is overriding the normal installation dir and aegis is getting angry | 06:56 |
| ieatlint | yep, have it running now | 06:58 |
| ieatlint | the project file is incompatible with harmattan, but the code is compatible (but looks like ass -- native qt app, etc) | 07:00 |
| hiemanshu | thats not an issue at all | 07:01 |
| hiemanshu | but it works, thats what matters | 07:01 |
| ieatlint | behold the horrible looking but functioning screenshot http://i.imgur.com/Fie8a.png | 07:03 |
| ieatlint | ok, i'm going to buy groceries, bbl | 07:04 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: couldnt you rotate it before uploading :P | 07:04 |
| ieatlint | where's the fun in that | 07:05 |
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| npm | rm_you : i will have to checkout ffmpeg when i get a chance (phaps this weekend)... thanks! | 07:27 |
| npm | spekle is harder... it almost makes more sense to recode it in qt, and get rid of the tiny bit of gtk i use, just the cairo & pango drawing stuff | 07:31 |
| npm | but that's not going to happen as it it would be a project in and of itself | 07:35 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: oh you are familiar with Qt Multimedia ? | 07:50 |
| ieatlint | somewhat | 07:52 |
| djszapi | we are doing this QtOpenAL. I think that will be a cool addition. | 07:57 |
| ieatlint | interesting... just googled it | 07:59 |
| djszapi | I hope it can replace alure. | 07:59 |
| ieatlint | my use has been far more restrictive, i've primarily used it for recording audio and doing dsp on it on the fly | 07:59 |
| djszapi | phonon is not really good for our game development platform. | 08:00 |
| djszapi | not 3d, and not accurate enough | 08:00 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: gluon? | 08:00 |
| djszapi | y | 08:02 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: hah, damn, small world, I know one your gluon GSoC students :P | 08:03 |
| djszapi | we have few... | 08:04 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: you know the one from India, named pranav? | 08:04 |
| djszapi | yep, working on the behaviour tree | 08:04 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 08:04 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:24 |
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| djszapi | I am having exported vcf files. They were the contact in my N900. Where should I put them on the phone to get them working again on N9* ? | 08:45 |
| djszapi | There is a /home/user/.contacts, but I do not see vcf files over there. | 08:45 |
| djszapi | or is there any other way to import these vcf contact files into my contact list on the phone somehow ? | 08:46 |
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| djszapi | because I only see 1) Another device 2) Online service 3) SIM card import opportunities | 08:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't see 'dump onto SIM' on the 900 either | 08:50 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: you dont see 'from file' ? | 08:53 |
| djszapi | - | 08:53 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Contacts that should work too | 08:53 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: you're on too new of a version :) | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | the n950 as shipped to everyone in here has "file" on the import list in contacts | 08:54 |
| w00t_ | use 'vcardconverter' | 08:54 |
| djszapi | ieatlint duh | 08:56 |
| djszapi | yeah, I am on the today image :) | 08:56 |
| ieatlint | 31-1? | 08:56 |
| djszapi | yep | 08:57 |
| ieatlint | ;) | 08:57 |
| ieatlint | the 22-6 image i can confirm does have "file" as an import option | 08:57 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: why I have not done bluetooth is that the gadget is physically not available. | 08:58 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: ah | 08:58 |
| ieatlint | i'm lazy and don't care as much about my privacy, so both nokia and google have all my data and i saved effort on this step | 08:59 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: you cannot do that with a company phone ;) | 09:01 |
| ieatlint | then you're screwed unless you find another method importing vcf | 09:02 |
| djszapi | w00t_: how can I install it or is it some online web service ? | 09:02 |
| djszapi | what is the expected format on N9* btw ? | 09:03 |
| ieatlint | if i had to guess, it's in a sqlite database somewhere | 09:04 |
| djszapi | I have just added a dummy contact to have anything, and then I was trying to look for that word by grep in /home/user/, but it did not really find it. | 09:04 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: its mostly in a sqlite db | 09:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Is 'aegisfs' encrypted? | 09:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is it just another filesystem | 09:05 |
| ieatlint | qtmobility contacts works, so if you're desperate, you can make (or find?) an app that will import via qtmobility | 09:05 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: it is a userspace filesystem on the top of fuse. | 09:05 |
| SpeedEvil | So it's not doing any encryption. K. | 09:06 |
| djszapi | it does. | 09:06 |
| djszapi | using openssl | 09:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - 7AM and I've failed to sleep. I should probably see if I can dig up docs on how it works. | 09:07 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu ieatlint Well, if I open up the contacts icon from the appgrid, I am getting this: "Load contacts on to your new Nokia N950 from: Another mobile, Online service, No thanks". | 09:07 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: click on no thanks, then go to the toolbar at the bottom, and see if you have the import option | 09:08 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: it is actually on aegis-crypto | 09:08 |
| ieatlint | i dunno what you're running on your n950, but mine here says "Import contacts from: Another device; Online service; SIM card; File" | 09:08 |
| djszapi | * on = using | 09:08 |
| ieatlint | and when i click on file , it tries to find vcf files | 09:09 |
| djszapi | interesting. | 09:09 |
| hiemanshu | yes, that is how it works | 09:09 |
| hiemanshu | but if you are a lot of them, you are pretty screwed :P | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | i wonder if you try to open the file (say, as an email attachment) if it'd just work | 09:10 |
| djszapi | at any rate...since I do not have this option...I should detect how it converts...and using that directly...if it is not an internal tool | 09:10 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: upload one online and I'll test it now :) | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | well, the first hit i got for "sample vcf" on google was not what i expected | 09:13 |
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| ieatlint | well, i just tried it with http://tehinterweb.com/Alex.vcf and the browser has no clue what to do with it | 09:19 |
| ieatlint | however if i put the vcf in MyDocs/ and then go to the search app type in "vcf", it shows up and i can open it and seemingly import it | 09:21 |
| djszapi | actually, you can import the web browser into contacts | 09:23 |
| djszapi | that is not really great... | 09:23 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: I downloaded the same thing | 09:23 |
| hiemanshu | and it downloaded for me, clicked it | 09:23 |
| hiemanshu | opens up contacts :D | 09:23 |
| ieatlint | n950? | 09:24 |
| hiemanshu | now I have a screen with the option to save or cancel | 09:24 |
| hiemanshu | ieatlint: yes, 22-6 | 09:24 |
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| djszapi | for i in *.vcf; do vcardconverter $i ; done | 09:29 |
| djszapi | this is the solution for my problem. I should probably document it on the community page | 09:29 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: is it a pre-installed binary? | 09:30 |
| djszapi | for me, yes | 09:31 |
| djszapi | not sure about the image week 22 | 09:31 |
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| djszapi | I do not understand the meego.com page. | 09:39 |
| djszapi | If I am on a wikipage and I would like to log in, why doesn't it put me back to that wikipage instead of the mainpage ? | 09:39 |
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| djszapi | or why is there no "edit/login/back" workflow | 09:39 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: back, then reload | 09:41 |
| djszapi | did not really work | 09:44 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu ieatlint ok I added the information to the wikipage, any feedback is welcome | 09:45 |
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| razvanpetru | so is the N950 a good phone or not? | 11:17 |
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| djszapi|windows | it indeed is | 11:21 |
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| Tronic | razvanpetru: Oh, there is a phone on it? I hadn't noticed yet. | 11:33 |
| razvanpetru | for me, both are very important and I didn't apply for n950 because I got a beta vibe from it :) | 11:34 |
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| razvanpetru | N9 can't come soon enough... | 11:35 |
| Tronic | Well, it is a very good device (with a good phone app too) but there are also plenty of things that were better with N900. | 11:35 |
| Tronic | N9 is coming Sep 23. | 11:35 |
| razvanpetru | yeah, n9 is 98% my future phone | 11:35 |
| Termana | By the time my N950 gets to me the bloody N9 will already be out :\ | 11:36 |
| razvanpetru | :)) | 11:37 |
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| Termana | razvanpetru, I'm not happy at all, someone at DHL is going to cop an ear full... :p | 11:37 |
| djszapi|windows | razvanpetru: N9 comes soon... | 11:37 |
| djszapi|windows | Termana: whiny !! :) | 11:38 |
| djszapi|windows | Termana: there will always be two phones with advantages/disadvantages :) | 11:38 |
| razvanpetru | djszapi: 48 days is not so soon :) | 11:39 |
| razvanpetru | swype.nokia.se | 11:39 |
| razvanpetru | * http://swipe.nokia.se/ | 11:39 |
| djszapi|windows | razvanpetru: hahaha :D | 11:39 |
| Termana | djszapi|windows, one takes a really long time to get here... and the other would probably do the same. :p Actually I think it's being sold in stores in Australia so I could go down a buy it :p | 11:40 |
| chouchoune | will it be available in shops in 48 days ? | 11:40 |
| chouchoune | or online store shipping ? | 11:40 |
| razvanpetru | operator | 11:40 |
| * chouchoune thinks about a vacation trip to sweden ;) | 11:40 | |
| djszapi|windows | I do not know, I have been having one or a while ;) | 11:41 |
| chouchoune | razvanpetru: yes but that can be operator shops or operator order | 11:41 |
| djszapi|windows | s/or/for/ | 11:41 |
| infobot | djszapi|windows meant: I do not know, I have been having one for a while ;) | 11:41 |
| Termana | djszapi|windows, seriously though, I don't understand how DHL can send it half way around the globe in 3 days, but it takes a full week (and counting) for them to make it travel 2 hours | 11:42 |
| djszapi|windows | no clue | 11:42 |
| frals | afaik they only weekly deliviers to remote locations | 11:43 |
| frals | s/only we/only do we/ | 11:44 |
| infobot | frals meant: afaik they only do weekly deliviers to remote locations | 11:44 |
| ieatlint | fucking isp, been down 90min and now i'm stuck tethering my phone | 11:44 |
| Termana | frals, "Delivery arranged no details expected", i.e. they passed it to another courier. Is that still the case then? | 11:44 |
| frals | maybe the other courier is doing even less deliveries to remote locations? :-) | 11:46 |
| w00t_ | Termana: that is what happened with mine when they passed it on to a local delivery company, but honestly.. if it's been like that for a few days, i'd ring them? | 11:46 |
| Termana | I've sent them two online queries. I'll be ringing them Monday | 11:47 |
| Termana | Just to see what's happening | 11:47 |
| w00t_ | phones are a lot harder to ignore ;-) | 11:47 |
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| razvanpetru | maybe they lost it | 11:49 |
| Termana | razvanpetru, please don't say things like that. Only say positive things! :P lol | 11:50 |
| razvanpetru | positive spin: maybe they didn't lose it :D | 11:53 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 11:59 |
| Termana | Venemo, morning | 12:00 |
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| * Arkenoi still cannot understand how "standby" screen works -- sometimes to unlock phone you need to swipe it up, sometimes you need to swipe it to the left, and while one method works another could not | 12:27 | |
| MohammadAG | you can swipe in any direction | 12:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, standard "works for me" response there | 12:28 |
| hiemanshu | if you swipe up any screen and hold it for a bit, you get a quick access menu | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | I remember seeing it working on swipe down in newer firmwares | 12:29 |
| hiemanshu | for me its like a driving menu, swipe up a bit, use the phone | 12:29 |
| ieatlint | nah, it's swipe up on the newer version | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | it's swipe up now... | 12:30 |
| ieatlint | swipe down (all the way) closes the app | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 12:30 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm saying it's the same | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | but the quick launch menu shows on the top too afaik | 12:31 |
| ieatlint | nope | 12:31 |
| Arkenoi | hiemanshu, any screen? i get it only on standby screen | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | any screen | 12:32 |
| ieatlint | any screen that isn't the home screen | 12:32 |
| Arkenoi | swipe down seems to be full equivalent of swipe left -- i get to the apps screen and current window is not closed | 12:32 |
| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: any screen | 12:32 |
| Venemo | good morning hiemanshu | 12:33 |
| hiemanshu | hey Venemo | 12:33 |
| Arkenoi | hiemanshu, does not work for me, don't know why | 12:33 |
| hiemanshu | works just fine for me | 12:33 |
| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: swipe up a little, and hold it there | 12:33 |
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| Arkenoi | does not work :-) works on standby screen however and nowhere else :-) | 12:34 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: you were working on the IRC client right? | 12:34 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, I am working on an IRC client, yes. | 12:34 |
| Venemo | why are you asking? | 12:35 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I am not supposed to? | 12:36 |
| hiemanshu | more like, not allowed to? | 12:36 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: I have just told them, your IRC client will rock in comparison with communi :p | 12:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | looks like cobs has a new favicon :) | 12:36 |
| djszapi|windows | I still stick by ;) | 12:36 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, you told well :) | 12:37 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: still no mt-qt-style in rzr | 12:37 |
| Venemo | I'll try making it finger-friendly | 12:37 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: well, I could help :) | 12:37 |
| Venemo | and vkb-friendly | 12:37 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, that is nice of you :) | 12:37 |
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| Arkenoi | ah. SUDDENLY it worked. before that it did not. | 12:42 |
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| Arkenoi | trying to find out more | 12:43 |
| Arkenoi | first, you have to start moving your finger from outside the touchscreen | 12:43 |
| Arkenoi | that's necessary but not sufficient | 12:44 |
| Arkenoi | ah! second, you should move it fast, not slow | 12:44 |
| Arkenoi | pretty "intuitive" :-) but you may impress people asking them to repeat this action and watching them failing :-) | 12:45 |
| Arkenoi | and why cannot i do that on the home screen? | 12:45 |
| djszapi|windows | because you are not on the whitelist !! | 12:46 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: you can do it with any speed actually | 12:47 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: though I'd disable vertical swipes in browser for example :) | 12:48 |
| Arkenoi | hmm | 12:49 |
| Arkenoi | yes, seems that speed does not really matter | 12:49 |
| frals | qlb works on lockscreen and running app afaik | 12:49 |
| Arkenoi | but i still cannot understand why it fails sometimes even if i start moving from well away beyond the border | 12:49 |
| frals | and speed is irrelevant afaiu, only time matters | 12:49 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: it fails sometimes when you trying to unlock the screen too fast | 12:51 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: it also sometimes fails to unlock. i try to swipe in any directions and it just scrolls the screen a few millimeters and that's all -- until i find "proper" direction which seems to be random | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, ask x-fade why it's stuck | 12:53 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: hmm, maybe it's just a firmware bug | 12:53 |
| frals | pretty sure its not an issue anymore Arkenoi | 12:54 |
| Arkenoi | never happens if i lock it by power button, but happens often if it gets locked by timeout | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | make sure you're not touching another area on the screen | 12:54 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: ah, then I should test it | 12:54 |
| Arkenoi | btw will we get all the apps bundled with n9 once it gets released? | 12:55 |
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| MohammadAG | probably | 13:00 |
| djszapi|windows | bundled ? | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | joikuspot, skype, etc | 13:05 |
| djszapi|windows | what sense would it make without that ? | 13:06 |
| ieatlint | any sign of flash support yet? | 13:07 |
| ieatlint | i know it was planned | 13:07 |
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| djszapi|windows | ofc it is supported | 13:08 |
| frals | o_O | 13:10 |
| Venemo | rumor has it that flash will be (is?) in newer builds/firmwares. | 13:11 |
| djszapi|windows | it has been there for ages | 13:11 |
| Arkenoi | and what about alien dalvik? | 13:12 |
| djszapi|windows | it is not rumour, it is fact :) | 13:12 |
| frals | for what will be included check swipe.nokia.com | 13:12 |
| frals | im guessing they got it down, if its not there... well | 13:12 |
| djszapi|windows | frals: nope, the image is simply friggin old :) | 13:12 |
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| Venemo | djszapi|windows, until _I_ get it, it's rumour. | 13:13 |
| djszapi|windows | also some media player can be embedded as well I guess | 13:13 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: right, so N9 is a big rumour since you do not still have it :D | 13:14 |
| * Arkenoi knows several people using n9 as primary phone | 13:14 | |
| Venemo | :P | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi|windows, I'm guessing you have flash? | 13:15 |
| Venemo | frals, I like the "pull down&release to update" feature in the facebook client | 13:15 |
| djszapi|windows | Arkenoi: most of the people inside the projects | 13:15 |
| frals | Venemo: :-) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, it's a copy from the iPhone version :P | 13:15 |
| djszapi|windows | MohammadAG: y | 13:15 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, I've never seen the iPhone version | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi|windows, just wondering | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, same thing | 13:16 |
| djszapi|windows | I meant yes, not why :p | 13:16 |
| Venemo | frals, but there is a bug about it which you might have fixed already. when the internet connection breaks (happens a lot when I'm on the go), the facebook client keeps thinking that the connection is unavailable, even if I reconnect | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | which version? | 13:16 |
| frals | Venemo: open the menu and go to newsfeed again and it should work, but yeah, its been fixed at some point | 13:17 |
| frals | *someone* used a function call instead of a binding ;[ | 13:18 |
| Venemo | frals, I thought so. there is also the thing that the facebook client just doesn't send any new stuff to the news feed homescreen after some point. (maybe it feels tired?) | 13:18 |
| Venemo | that one is "fixed" by a reboot | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | yes, noticed that too | 13:18 |
| frals | when it happens, check if facebook-meego is running still | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | afaik it's an issue in the news feed itself | 13:19 |
| Venemo | well, nope | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait, I got notifications there, nvm | 13:19 |
| Venemo | because at those times, the RSS feeds' news appear still. | 13:19 |
| frals | if it indeed is running next time it happens ping me | 13:19 |
| Venemo | and sometimes stuff from conversations get stuck in the notifications area of the homescreen | 13:20 |
| Venemo | frals, will do. | 13:20 |
| * frals is preparing automatic out-of-office reply email \o/ | 13:20 | |
| Venemo | frals :) | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | frals, can we get notifications on the homescreen? | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | facebook notifications | 13:21 |
| Venemo | also the conversations (or what is it called now? messages?) app gets buggy. no idea what triggers it, but on some facebook conversations, it doesn't allow me to send my messages with the enter key, while in others I can. | 13:21 |
| frals | MohammadAG: maybe ;-) | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | enjoy your holidays frals :p | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | can I haz mms postcards? | 13:22 |
| Venemo | oh and frals, I have a very serious bug also, if you don't mind. | 13:22 |
| Venemo | (almost forgot to mention it) | 13:22 |
| Venemo | so, let's say I'm reading someone's facebook post. I write a comment, then after some time, someone also writes a comment. I see this in the notifications, and I can click on it, but the client fails to load the new comments most of the time. | 13:23 |
| Venemo | the comment that I wrote there appears, but the replies don't. and when I click on the "show previous comments" button, nothing happens | 13:24 |
| Venemo | I hope this has been fixed as well | 13:24 |
| alterego | Venemo: you ping'd? | 13:24 |
| Venemo | alterego, that was a long time ago, but yeah :) | 13:24 |
| Venemo | alterego, how familiar are you with QML model-view stuff? | 13:25 |
| alterego | Wassup? Or has it expired? | 13:25 |
| alterego | Well I am supposed to be the resident qml guy ;) | 13:25 |
| Venemo | that's what I was hoping for! :P | 13:25 |
| alterego | What's yourr problem? | 13:25 |
| Venemo | alterego, I read a couple of articles about the subject (and I read them _wholly_ before you start), but I can't exactly wrap my mind around putting together anything more than a hello world kind of scenario | 13:26 |
| Venemo | especially when the delegates and QAbstractWhateverModel comes into the picture | 13:26 |
| alterego | Okay, well just tell me what you wanna do? | 13:26 |
| Venemo | simple bindings are okay. | 13:26 |
| Venemo | I want to have a model for my IRC client. | 13:26 |
| Venemo | I want to have a list (item model) that can hold all the messages in that channel, and i want my view to display that | 13:27 |
| djszapi|windows | I would still use telepathy-idlwe | 13:27 |
| djszapi|windows | * idle | 13:27 |
| alterego | Do you have any experience making models in Qt? | 13:27 |
| Venemo | nope, none | 13:27 |
| Venemo | but I have plenty of experience doing the same thing in Silverlight/WP7 | 13:27 |
| alterego | Hrm, okay, well firstly sketch up what data each row should have, like timestamp, username, message | 13:28 |
| alterego | I'm not massively familiar with irc proto to know the ins and outs, these rows may even be poly morphic I guess. | 13:28 |
| Venemo | me either, but there are libs for that | 13:29 |
| Venemo | timestamp, message, username, and color are the "roles" that I wanna have | 13:29 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: I would check out quassel or konversation | 13:30 |
| djszapi|windows | how and what they stored exactlhy. | 13:30 |
| Venemo | I don't want to store anything. | 13:30 |
| Venemo | not yet anyway | 13:30 |
| djszapi|windows | you have just told you wanna have a model ... | 13:30 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, btw, I've checked konvi (even planned to contribute), but its code is a mess. | 13:30 |
| djszapi|windows | well, finding a model is not really hard even in any code. | 13:31 |
| Venemo | nope, I didn't look at that part in there :) | 13:31 |
| djszapi|windows | and yes, people tend to complain instead of contributing and making things better :) | 13:32 |
| Venemo | alterego, so the question is, if I make such a model and add items to it, how do I go with switching channels? can I swap the model? the channel switcher will also get the channel list from a model. but I'm not exactly sure how I should go about this stuff. | 13:32 |
| djszapi|windows | proxy filter ? | 13:33 |
| djszapi|windows | that is how I switched among installable, upgradable, downloadable games, but I think the concept is similar to that | 13:34 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, I planned to add it the feature to have D-Bus notifications whenever a new message with my name arrives. I was able to find the place in the code for this in half a day, but they would have required me to also add a setting to it, and the setting gui is what made me quit of the idea. | 13:34 |
| Venemo | anyway, that is a different story | 13:34 |
| Venemo | for now I just want to learn QML model-view | 13:34 |
| djszapi|windows | yes, nobody was speaking about that ;) | 13:34 |
| Venemo | :P | 13:34 |
| djszapi|windows | I think qproxymodel is something you want | 13:35 |
| Venemo | what the heck is that? | 13:35 |
| djszapi|windows | bad question | 13:35 |
| djszapi|windows | :) | 13:35 |
| Venemo | it isn't even mentioned in any of the docs I've read. | 13:35 |
| djszapi|windows | it is ? | 13:35 |
| djszapi|windows | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qproxymodel.html | 13:36 |
| frals | i would not use a proxyfilter for swithcing between channels | 13:36 |
| frals | rather have a model for each channel in that case | 13:36 |
| tomma | or column | 13:36 |
| djszapi|windows | uhhhh | 13:36 |
| alterego | qproxymodel and qml, well, I've had a few issues with that, but it does work. | 13:36 |
| djszapi|windows | that would be dirty | 13:36 |
| alterego | It's just a bit annoying :D | 13:36 |
| Venemo | heh | 13:37 |
| djszapi|windows | alterego: worked here oob, what was wrong ? | 13:37 |
| Venemo | djszapi|windows, "This class is obsolete. It is provided to keep old source code working. We strongly advise against using it in new code." | 13:37 |
| Venemo | thanks! | 13:37 |
| frals | :D | 13:37 |
| alterego | djszapi|windows: was a while ago, I think it was to do with the underlying model, just remember being annoyed for a few days with it ;) | 13:37 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: bad link, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qsortfilterproxymodel.html | 13:38 |
| Venemo | the only thing I don't exactly understand is, why do I have to make a new class for every collection? | 13:38 |
| djszapi|windows | I cannot check out our code right now since I am on Windows ... | 13:38 |
| frals | reapplying filters is pretty expensive in that so beware of that | 13:39 |
| Venemo | so, what do I gain by subclassing QAbstractListModel as opposed to just using a QList<> | 13:39 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo: you do not need ? | 13:39 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: QList won't update views when you change the contents of the list | 13:40 |
| Venemo | now that is a problem | 13:40 |
| djszapi|windows | it might also be good to use different instances in your casae I do not know since you do not have a clear idea | 13:40 |
| Venemo | but why couldn't they just make _one_ damn QList descendant that sends a signal when it's updated? | 13:40 |
| Venemo | why do I have to subclass this stuff for every different model type? | 13:40 |
| Venemo | this kind of coding is quite pointless and boring to do, and the problem it solves could have been solved better | 13:42 |
| Venemo | in Silverlight, there is a generic collection that is to be used exactly for this purpose. | 13:43 |
| w00t_ | there's been a lot of people saying that, so far, there's not been any concrete suggestions for how to do it | 13:43 |
| Venemo | my concrete suggestion is to 1) make a derived class of QList<T> 2) make this class emit signals when new items are added to it or when items are removed from it 3) make QML views listen to this signal, whenever the model is set to an instance of such a collection | 13:44 |
| Venemo | w00t_ ^^ | 13:44 |
| djszapi|windows | :) | 13:44 |
| djszapi|windows | alterego: sorry, but without exact story it is hard to know whether or not it is a class design, implementation or class usage issue | 13:44 |
| w00t_ | suggesting it on a place like IRC isn't any good | 13:44 |
| Venemo | I already tried to suggest stuff on qt5-feedback mailing list, but basically noone cared | 13:45 |
| Venemo | then some unpleasant fellow in #qt-labs explained to me how it is a bad idea to have LINQ-like set filtering in Qt | 13:46 |
| w00t_ | you suggested linq-alike, and someone is now seemingly working on a library implementing just that from your idea - I don't really see that as nobody caring | 13:46 |
| Venemo | so I just noticed that noone really cares in Qt's devs about what I think, so I unsubsribed and decided not to care about them either | 13:47 |
| Venemo | w00t_, could you please suggest this solution to them? maybe they'd listen to you better? | 13:47 |
| w00t_ | nope | 13:47 |
| w00t_ | your idea, you suggest it, and argue it | 13:47 |
| hiemanshu | or just send in a patch | 13:47 |
| w00t_ | hiemanshu: there's no point writing code - especially when it's non-trivial - without first finding out if it has a chance of being accepted | 13:48 |
| Venemo | well I _think_ that a simple QAbstractListModel subclass could also be general enough to fit all needs. | 13:48 |
| Venemo | I just don't understand why they haven't took their time to actually implement it | 13:49 |
| w00t_ | steveire would probably be a good person to talk to | 13:49 |
| Venemo | w00t_, on which channel? | 13:49 |
| w00t_ | #qt-labs | 13:49 |
| Venemo | meh... I hoped I'd never had to go in there again | 13:49 |
| w00t_ | people disagree - it's something you'll never escape | 13:50 |
| Venemo | pretty much all the discussions I had there ended with me feeling like a noob | 13:50 |
| frals | usually happens when you talk to experts and you are not one yourself, get over it ;) | 13:52 |
| w00t_ | frals: so.. are you working on a harmattan application to disable mms? | 13:53 |
| frals | w00t_: :D | 13:54 |
| w00t_ | frals: fNoMMS? | 13:54 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: btw: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/category/qt-functional/ | 13:54 |
| frals | fFMMS i recon is better name | 13:54 |
| frals | second f for fuck ;-) | 13:54 |
| w00t_ | hahaha | 13:54 |
| Venemo | heh | 13:54 |
| hiemanshu | frals: that sounds like frals fucks Multimedia Messaging Sytem :S | 13:55 |
| frals | who ever said the first f is for frals? ;-) | 13:55 |
| hiemanshu | I did :P | 13:55 |
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| spenap | RST38h, I've checked the logs and you were (also) asking about integrating with the settings page using QtQuick. Did you manage to do it? | 14:15 |
| spenap | (I'll accept answers from others as well :P, it's just that I read he was trying to do it) | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, tried using /settings? | 14:22 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nope, lemme try now | 14:27 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: can you make it fullscreen? | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, get the latest deb | 14:28 |
| hiemanshu | aye | 14:28 |
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| hiemanshu | gah, I have to leave now | 14:29 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I'll try it later when I get back | 14:30 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how many people actually read the NDA. | 14:33 | |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't apply to me, until tomorrow anyway :P | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun. If it explodes and burns your house down, nokia may give you 50 euros. | 14:41 |
| Venemo | really? nice... | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I'm still 17 :p | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol @ €50 | 14:45 |
| Venemo | :D | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | how's battery life when email is set to always up to date? | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | I hope it's not polling | 14:49 |
| Arkenoi | still noticeably better than n900 | 14:50 |
| Arkenoi | (i use activesync only, both google and corporate accounts) | 14:51 |
| Arkenoi | and activesync now works with google flawlessly | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | my N900 does push email better though | 14:52 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, mine updates mail during the day every 2 hours | 14:52 |
| Venemo | I don't notice anything bad about battery life | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | that's pull, not push | 14:53 |
| Venemo | although it is explicitly set not to connect to cellular network without me sayin so | 14:53 |
| Venemo | but I allow it to rape my wifi all it wants | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | again, pull, not push | 14:54 |
| Venemo | yes. | 14:54 |
| Venemo | and? | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | I'm talking about push | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | aka when the server gets the email, the device should show it | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | modest does this well with Nokia Messaging | 14:54 |
| Venemo | I can't imagine how that would work | 14:54 |
| Venemo | eg. how can the server know when the device is online and when it isn't | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail | 14:55 |
| frals | it connects to the server and says "hey here i am" and then keeps the connection alive | 14:55 |
| w00t_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE | 14:55 |
| * Arkenoi wonders how long nokia messaging will stay alive | 14:55 | |
| Venemo | mhm | 14:55 |
| Arkenoi | you cannot manage mailboxes there anymore -- web control panel is gone | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | you can in modest though | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | for now at least | 14:58 |
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| wazd | I really like the word "overcloak" :) | 15:12 |
| Arkenoi | ah, really, i can | 15:12 |
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| Venemo | alterego, can I bind a model property of QColor to the color property of a QML element? | 15:34 |
| trx | hmm, when i run my app on N950 it works but in the terminal i get bunch of "Unsupported composition mode" any ideas why is that? | 15:35 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: | 17:11 |
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| wazd | ok, quick survey, what icons can you imagine for "pressure" and "wind speed"? :) | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | weathervane for wind | 17:19 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Pressure should be a small stick figure being crushed. | 17:19 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Coal turning into Diamond for pressure :) | 17:19 |
| javispedro | I was going to say http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/UK_traffic_sign_581.svg for wind | 17:19 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: aegis still hasn't forsaken me | 17:19 |
| gri | GAN900: Same thought with the stick figure .. | 17:19 |
| wazd | fiferboy: that's a nice idea! :D | 17:20 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: he eventually will, my child, he eventually will.. | 17:21 |
| javispedro | maybe he's losing strength with age :) | 17:21 |
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| fiferboy | I think I may have appeased Him by installing replacement packages with the same manifests | 17:21 |
| javispedro | can't be | 17:22 |
| javispedro | it occurs to me that maybe the packages you replaced where also of "" origin | 17:22 |
| wazd | and "visibility" too :) | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: A picture of Benois Pascal. | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Blaise even | 17:23 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: fiferboy: you're from the same nerd club, right? :D | 17:24 |
| javispedro | the pascal nerd club? | 17:26 |
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| javispedro | either way, I say the icons matter little, as long as you put the units =) | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I have a few interfaces for you to go over if you have time :) | 17:28 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: hehe? I can take a look :) | 17:39 |
| wazd | s/?/, | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I will send you some screenshots | 17:41 |
| wazd | fiferboy: sure | 17:43 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: email away | 17:52 |
| wazd | http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/1108/c4/d1c7228b2179.png | 17:52 |
| gri | Venemo: Did you try a qml application in scratchbox or a meegotouch one? For me meegotouch is pretty slow, whereas qml applications run with a good ui performance (I'm running the scratchbox in a Ubuntu 11.04 VM) | 17:52 |
| wazd | waiting for ideas :D | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I like the wind icons and the PoP icon | 17:53 |
| fiferboy | Not sure why there are two wind speeds, though | 17:53 |
| wazd | second is "rushes" | 17:54 |
| Venemo | gri, I didn't really compare | 17:54 |
| wazd | working on it right now | 17:54 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Visibilty could be an eye? | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | wazd, gust | 17:56 |
| wazd | GAN900: yep, thx :) | 17:57 |
| wazd | http://s015.radikal.ru/i331/1108/d1/54c239ff7933.png | 18:06 |
| wazd | maybe just "P" for pressure? | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pa is the unit | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess because it could be confused with Peta (the SI prefix for 10^15) | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I like the differentiation of the gusts icon | 18:10 |
| hardaker | :-( git-core is empty | 18:14 |
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| MohammadAG | is the guy who wrote the facebook app here? | 18:21 |
| frals | which facebook app? | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | facebook-qml | 18:22 |
| frals | most likely not a single guy ;-) | 18:22 |
| frals | whats up with it? | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | I'd like to know what's on the todo | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | Places and groups are missing | 18:23 |
| wazd | http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/1108/b4/b1995ee8d0f0.png | 18:23 |
| wazd | one more :) | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | only upcoming bdays show, not the ones for today | 18:24 |
| frals | dont think that person would be at liberty to discuss that | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: I'd go with either 1016hPa, or 101.6kPa | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | err | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | So should I rewrite sociality in qml? | 18:25 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: well, that's the weather.com source, don't blame me :) | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: you know of yr.no? | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml - for example | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | If you dig around, you can get weather for arbitrary points | 18:27 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yeah please do so :) | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/ is the user-facing view | 18:27 |
| javispedro | oh | 18:30 |
| javispedro | I have to wonder if relaxed exec also relaxes upstart job validation | 18:30 |
| javispedro | cause --after a long battle with aegis including two self destructions -- my portmapper upstart jobs is happily launched early in boot and it sits in /etc/init not /etc/init/apps | 18:31 |
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| wazd | damned pressure :( | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: ping? | 18:33 |
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| divan | How to update preinstalled library with newer version without being blocked by aegis? | 18:51 |
| lcuk | divan, install later package | 18:52 |
| wazd | http://s53.radikal.ru/i139/1108/ab/8774868606bb.png ? :) | 18:52 |
| lcuk | oh, preinstalled | 18:52 |
| divan | I've compiled the latest signon version from git, but got following when trying to install it on device: Aegis rejecting signon-plugins_8.27-2+0m6_armel.deb: package 'signon-plugins' already installed from 'com.nokia.maemo' -- not replacing it from unknown origin | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | divan: You have to uninstall the orig (dpkg -P --force-depends) and install your package | 18:52 |
| divan | lcuk, yep, I beleive it's not a version issue | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | This will break apt-get severely, but it worked for me | 18:53 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: bastard, that's how you did it. | 18:53 |
| divan | fiferboy, thanks, I'll try.. | 18:53 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:53 |
| * javispedro will now go and tell the aegis god so that they zap you | 18:53 | |
| javispedro | you know probably found a hole in aegis; I wonder if you can use it to replace kernel modules. | 18:54 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: aegis seems to have forgotten about dpkg -P | 18:54 |
| fiferboy | --force-depends makes it so it doesn't remove my entire system :) | 18:54 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: It probably helps that qt components (my replacement) likely doesn't need to interface with aegis | 18:55 |
| divan | ok, I've got the packages installed, but the aegis wrote a bunch of lines with denied capabilities - is it ok? Something like "Package signond: denied 'CAP::sys_module' for '/usr/bin/signond' -- origin '' does not allow it" | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | what if I want to upgrade dpkg | 18:56 |
| javispedro | so, you're boned. | 18:56 |
| divan | MohammadAG, :) | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -P --force-depends dpkg? | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | I wonder if there's a remote access terminal Nokians can use to execute arbitrary mischief. | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: To update use wget and dpkg -i :) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | divan: aegis found about your sin -- prepare for self destruction | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | which gives me a thought | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | what if we compile vanilla dpkg with a different --prefix | 18:58 |
| divan | javispedro, it's better to revert original packages back before next reboot? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: Only if it establishes an outgoing connection | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | the one that shouldn't hook onto aegis | 18:58 |
| fiferboy | divan: That doesn't look good, those packages might need to be aegis signed, or whatever | 18:58 |
| RST38h | GAN:Because otherwise, my two NATs would prevent it | 18:58 |
| RST38h | BTW, heya javispedro, Mohammad, fiferboy | 18:58 |
| javispedro | moo. | 18:58 |
| fiferboy | moo. | 18:58 |
| javispedro | divan: specially if they do not work, as you could easily get into a reboot loop. | 18:59 |
| divan | fiferboy, they're signed, but origin is '' | 18:59 |
| fiferboy | divan: Yeah, that didn't make a difference for the packages I replaced but it could for yours | 18:59 |
| javispedro | that's because they're not signed by nokia | 18:59 |
| * RST38h suspects putting your own certificate somewhere will fix '' | 19:00 | |
| divan | there should be a possibility to install newer version of system libs :( | 19:00 |
| wazd | btw, I've noticed some strange screen color setup on the N950 | 19:00 |
| javispedro | aegis has four (or more) different sets of tokens depending on who signed the package: nokia (all), ovi store (most), '' in developer mode (some), '' in closed mode (nearly none) | 19:00 |
| wazd | all colors are slightly shifted into green | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | moo RST38h | 19:01 |
| javispedro | wazd: yeah, and my screen also has severe backlight banding | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | where the fuck is open mode | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Your icons look good and seem clear (with the context of the values) | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, yeah, it's clearly noticeable in the events view when scrolling | 19:02 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: my sun icon is yellow on the device, though it should be orange | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, can't clear a notification in events view | 19:03 |
| lcuk | wazd, I noticed this, with white text on black background, when scrolling the text exhibits a slight greenshift | 19:04 |
| lcuk | i think it is the lcd itself rather than the code | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | the shift is definitely there but I cannot say it is green | 19:05 |
| RST38h | most likely due to the LCD pixel organization | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | it's green for me | 19:09 |
| RST38h | s/pixel/subpixel | 19:11 |
| javispedro | cannot see it while scrolling | 19:11 |
| javispedro | I mean it's always there for me | 19:11 |
| lcuk | if red shift and blueshift are relating to objects moving towards/away from us | 19:11 |
| divan | funny thing is that when I reinstall nokia packages from harmattan repo, aegis throws the very same errors! | 19:11 |
| lcuk | greenshift must be from panning lists and swiping! :P | 19:11 |
| * divan prepared to launch flasher | 19:12 | |
| RST38h | green shift is what one's coworkers experience at the sight ofd n950! | 19:12 |
| wazd | no, the screen has green tint without scrolling or something | 19:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: looks ok here | 19:13 |
| javispedro | mine looks like wazd | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | divan: That is unexpected o_O | 19:13 |
| RST38h | a bit uneven, but that is expected from a backlight | 19:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: compare my shot on the device and on the screen | 19:13 |
| wazd | PC | 19:13 |
| divan | fiferboy, aegis seems to be pretty stupid ( | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | divan: I don't think it is stupid, I think it just doesn't want to be messed with :) | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | wazd, are you editing qml directly nowadays? | 19:14 |
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| divan | fiferboy, if it installs nokia package from nokia signed repo, it should not throws such errors as I understand | 19:14 |
| javispedro | uh | 19:15 |
| fiferboy | divan: javispedro has determined aegis is extremely vindictive and doesn't take kindly to messing with it and cares little for appeasement | 19:15 |
| javispedro | seems that obs invokes debian/rules with -j > 1 | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | We need to sacrifice more trolls. | 19:16 |
| GAN900 | Maybe Reggie will ban abill_uk if we convince him it'll appease aegis? | 19:16 |
| javispedro | I say we put aegis and abill_uk in a room and let the strongest one wi | 19:17 |
| javispedro | n | 19:17 |
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| fiferboy | That would solve half the problems, anyway | 19:18 |
| wazd | http://s007.radikal.ru/i301/1108/45/0d85370eac25.jpg | 19:18 |
| wazd | the difference is pretty clear :) | 19:18 |
| javispedro | and I know why | 19:20 |
| javispedro | wazd: that PNG is 32bpp | 19:20 |
| javispedro | the N950 is _still_ 16bpp. | 19:20 |
| wazd | png is 24bpp | 19:22 |
| lcuk | wazd, visit weather.com on your n950 browser | 19:23 |
| javispedro | wazd: should have say it is "8 bits per channel", while the N950 is "5 bits per channel" (except for green, where it has an extra bit) | 19:24 |
| lcuk | javispedro, that png is a jpeg | 19:24 |
| javispedro | lcuk: http://s53.radikal.ru/i139/1108/ab/8774868606bb.png | 19:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: jpg looks the same | 19:25 |
| lcuk | that png is a png :P | 19:25 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:25 |
| wazd | javispedro: that's not a problem | 19:25 |
| javispedro | what I want to say is that if you reduce the bitdepth of the "orange" sun PNG to 16bpp with your average algorithm, it will also get the yellowish color | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | Why can't we get real color. . . . | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | I'm tired of shitty looking gradients. | 19:26 |
| javispedro | and that reduction is being done at runtime by the n950 with the shittest of the algorithms | 19:26 |
| fiferboy | Is the N9 screen significantly different in the colour department? | 19:27 |
| javispedro | GAN900: using 16bpp makes the N950 look great on benchmarks | 19:27 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: N9 uses led screen | 19:27 |
| javispedro | specially GL ones where it even beats the iPhone | 19:27 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: N950 is lcd | 19:27 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Right, but what is the impact on colour reproduction? | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | AMOLED | 19:27 |
| * fiferboy is no expert on screen technologies | 19:28 | |
| RST38h | fiferboy: so the usual set of differences applies (power consumption in n9 proportional to the number of lit up pixels, n9 colors are brighter but some would consider them less natural etc) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: considering the PenTile thing, color reproduction will be the LEAST of my worries =) | 19:28 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: I have heard the color will look similar to E7 | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | PenTile needs to die | 19:28 |
| GAN900 | Man, shitty compromises suck. | 19:28 |
| fiferboy | Ah yes, subpixel arrangement is another of my non-specialties :) | 19:28 |
| lcuk | GAN900, without compromise we would not have jpeg or mp3 or any video really for that matter | 19:29 |
| wazd | GAN900: well, dithering saves the day | 19:29 |
| RST38h | pentile rgbw sounds like a good idea | 19:30 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: it is best if you think that the n9 will not have 854x480 but rather ~650x400 | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Power consumption is proprotioal to brightness plus a - probably moderately large - costat | 19:30 |
| javispedro | and plan your UIs that way | 19:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro <-- is trolling =) | 19:31 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes it was possible to access the actual pixels on the OLED. | 19:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than going throuhg the emulation layer | 19:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: the n9 is pentile rgbg, not rgbw | 19:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: aka the crap one, not the good one. | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, so missing the point. | 19:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I guess we will just have to live with it =( | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Running error diffusion from the underlying vector, not a raster iterpretation shoul give better results. | 19:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: either that, or Android. | 19:32 |
| wazd | GAN900: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/1108/46/9373952602e2.png - that looks cool on the device | 19:32 |
| lcuk | GAN900, no, I am not. If it adds X % time battery and increases screen refresh rate | 19:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: as usual, but not the biggest of my worries | 19:33 |
| javispedro | my biggest problem is still the fugly capacitive screen. Oh GOD I hate capacitive. | 19:33 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: But.. but... but... multitouch! Apple! | 19:33 |
| lcuk | javispedro, have you seen the htc flyer? lovely dual format screen | 19:34 |
| lcuk | capacitive + pen driven | 19:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: yes, does not feel right | 19:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: still, I am now catching myself trying to flick the N900 screen | 19:35 |
| wazd | lcuk: inductive pens are not for phones | 19:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk: after having been a few days with the n950, I say no. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | Capacitive sucks. Period. Previously, I would have been willing to accept passive+capacitive | 19:35 |
| RST38h | if it makes you feel better, your finger is to blame rather than the screen | 19:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there's some to that too. | 19:35 |
| RST38h | if you have a really sharp pencil-like finger, the same screen would work | 19:35 |
| lcuk | wazd just pointing out devices with the capability now | 19:36 |
| fiferboy | Human design flaw | 19:36 |
| fiferboy | WONTFIX | 19:36 |
| RST38h | also, N900's thick screen coating does not help precision either | 19:36 |
| * lcuk knew he should have had his finger modified by the nokia door | 19:36 | |
| RST38h | fiferboy: ah, just ask lcuk, nokia almost fixed his finger for capacitive screens | 19:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: like mine, muhahaha | 19:36 |
| javispedro | I find that half of the time I get unwanted presses on the borders of the screen due to the way I grab the thing | 19:36 |
| wazd | javispedro: +1, border presses are annoying | 19:37 |
| rm_work | javispedro: yes | 19:37 |
| rm_work | i get random touches all the time | 19:37 |
| rm_work | when i am not even close to pressing anything | 19:37 |
| wazd | I usually press "back" :) | 19:37 |
| lcuk | i find when scrolling lists I accidentally bring up the app launch grid | 19:37 |
| rm_work | and the top-bar drops down on me ALL THE TIME | 19:37 |
| javispedro | lcuk: whether the swipe thing was a good idea or not that's another story =) so far, I say I could get used to it. | 19:38 |
| RST38h | javispedro: you can't imagine how badly the corners thing sucks on the e7... | 19:38 |
| lcuk | javispedro, I like it | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, yeah, I hate the non-deliberateness of capacitive. | 19:38 |
| lcuk | its good | 19:38 |
| RST38h | N950 is pretty bearable | 19:38 |
| lcuk | it just should allow panning through all apps | 19:38 |
| lcuk | like the n900 desktops | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | "Well, I'm just going to plop my finger down here and hope it guess which link I want." | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: I've been told that the curved glass makes things "different" (not necessarily worse or better, depends again on how you hold it) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | interesting... | 19:39 |
| javispedro | does the e7 also have curved glass? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | (or only n9 so far?) | 19:40 |
| javispedro | seemingly only n9. | 19:41 |
| RST38h | nope | 19:41 |
| GAN900 | I'm sad there wont be a Fall conference for us to get together and bitch. | 19:44 |
| RST38h | bitch here | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | We may all be dead by the time Spring rolls around. | 19:44 |
| wazd | and again, the problem is with the color setup, not the screen itself | 19:44 |
| wazd | it just needs to be calibrated, that's all | 19:44 |
| javispedro | Nokia should just invite all of us to bitch in the next Nokia World | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | Not nearly as cathartic sans the face-to-face and the free booze. | 19:44 |
| javispedro | would do wonders for Nokia stock. | 19:44 |
| javispedro | maybe Elop would even like the idea. | 19:44 |
| GAN900 | "Look! We still have contributors who care enough TO bitch." | 19:45 |
| * RST38h imagines ritual inflation of Elop, folowed by explosion | 19:46 | |
| alterego | GAN900: wassup now? | 19:47 |
| GAN900 | alterego, nothing in particular. | 19:47 |
| alterego | :) | 19:47 |
| RST38h | Could someone tell me if I should keep the Osso DBus stuff in the Harmattan apps? | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Or shouldI just kill it? | 19:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: kill | 19:48 |
| RST38h | truly? | 19:48 |
| javispedro | hm | 19:48 |
| RST38h | how will it open files from the file manager? | 19:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=libcontentaction&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjb250ZW50YWN0aW9u | 19:48 |
| RST38h | aha | 19:49 |
| javispedro | seems that the osso mime_open stuff will still work | 19:49 |
| javispedro | it calls it the "legacy method" | 19:49 |
| RST38h | ah thanks | 19:49 |
| RST38h | and gconf is staying right? | 19:49 |
| javispedro | it's there | 19:50 |
| javispedro | but dunno if it's staying | 19:50 |
| javispedro | gnome's replacing it, and I don't know if it's in the sanctioned meego api. | 19:50 |
| RST38h | is there a settings system in qt? | 19:50 |
| javispedro | "qsettings" | 19:51 |
| RST38h | aha, thanks | 19:51 |
| RST38h | someting to do over weekend | 19:51 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Or you can use the sparql storage | 19:51 |
| RST38h | nooooooooo | 19:51 |
| gri | you can replace the file dialogs functions, so if there's no qml one, it would be easy to write a plugin for all applications | 19:51 |
| javispedro | you mentioned something related to Tracker to HIM! | 19:51 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Hehehe | 19:51 |
| * RST38h hopes someone ports CPULoad applet SOON | 19:51 | |
| fiferboy | I looked at it, but building a database and table for a single entry seemed to be... overkill | 19:52 |
| javispedro | gri: I think the harmattan way is to have the main application dialog list all of the files | 19:52 |
| javispedro | that's how I plan to do it with my emus at least, using tracker to enumerate | 19:52 |
| javispedro | *cue criticism* | 19:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I just used standard qt dialogs | 19:53 |
| javispedro | but they look win95ish | 19:54 |
| fiferboy | I use a QAbstractItemModel to list the files (and relateed info) and pass it to my QML UI | 19:54 |
| lcuk | khertan also made his own file dialog i believe | 19:55 |
| RST38h | javispedro: you can tweak the style a little bit | 19:55 |
| RST38h | javispedro" and yes, they looka bit shitty but there arenoothers | 19:55 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: there's some qml sparql bindings | 19:55 |
| javispedro | they look interesting considering you can write the queries right on the qml file | 19:56 |
| javispedro | making a file list widget is then probably trivial | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Yeah, but they involve create a database, creating tables, populating tables | 19:56 |
| javispedro | I didn't try though. | 19:56 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: naah | 19:56 |
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| javispedro | not for showing files that is. | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Ah, you mean for access tracker info | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | I meant for creating app settings | 19:56 |
| javispedro | well I wouldn't store "settings" in tracker | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | No, it doesn't make sense | 19:57 |
| javispedro | specially considering tracker --hard-reset is so easy to type =) | 19:57 |
| RST38h | screw tracker and its info | 19:57 |
| fiferboy | Do you often accidentally type that? :) | 19:57 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: yes, because of hte number of times I had to type it on the N900 =) | 19:58 |
| fiferboy | Ah | 19:58 |
| javispedro | (and I already had to use it once on the N950...) | 19:58 |
| wazd | fiferboy: just checked your shots :D | 20:02 |
| wazd | fiferboy: I'll try to do something with that ;) | 20:03 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: Cool, thanks | 20:06 |
| fiferboy | Hopefully it all makes sense | 20:06 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, fiferboy - did fbreader get ported ? | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Define "ported" | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | It runs on Harmattan, albeit with the Qt4 interface for now | 21:01 |
| hardaker2 | better than nothing. | 21:01 |
| fiferboy | A fairly large bug is that you cannot switch books through the GUI :/ | 21:01 |
| hardaker2 | you know we could solve a lot of problems by porting the maemo5 style (and fixing it) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, well I am happily reading books via liqbook | 21:02 |
| lcuk | but those are only .txt files | 21:02 |
| hardaker2 | we're heading toward ifdefs again, just in qml this time. | 21:02 |
| fiferboy | With QML it is just as easy to write a completely new interface for each target, if you want | 21:03 |
| fiferboy | See achipa's blog post on the topic | 21:03 |
| hardaker2 | I know, actually. | 21:03 |
| hardaker2 | what I object to is at the top of the files we're heading for: import MeeGo.Components 0.1 | 21:03 |
| hardaker2 | and com.nokia.meego | 21:04 |
| hardaker2 | we need to import one thing only, IMHO. | 21:04 |
| hardaker2 | I have a QML app that ends up being very different on the desktop vs a device because of the existance/non-existance of the component library | 21:04 |
| smoku | harmattan SDK is still in beta, or should I download something else? | 21:04 |
| hardaker2 | I realize this is hopefully temporary though.... they're not shooting at the desktop at all right now, but I sure how they change that. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | 3 more packages to port to meego | 21:05 |
| RST38h | smoku: download the harmattan platform sdk | 21:05 |
| RST38h | smoku: it is a standard sb1 based setup | 21:05 |
| smoku | RST38h, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html ? | 21:06 |
| RST38h | yea | 21:06 |
| smoku | ok. thx | 21:07 |
| hardaker2 | is holding in the power button supposed to turn the device off? | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | hardaker2: If the screen is turned on and unlocked | 21:11 |
| hardaker2 | yeah, mine doesn't. I think it's the one thing I've found with it that doesn't work. | 21:12 |
| hardaker2 | no flying for me I guess :-) | 21:12 |
| fiferboy | hardaker2: You can turn on flight mode in the settings app | 21:13 |
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| hardaker2 | technically, according to announcements, it must be fully off. | 21:13 |
| hardaker2 | airplane modes only count in flight, not for take/off landing. | 21:13 |
| javispedro | you cannot turn it off? | 21:13 |
| hardaker2 | (of course, we all know it doesn't matter and even the mythbusters showed that) | 21:13 |
| hardaker2 | no. | 21:13 |
| fiferboy | On your way to the airport launch the "Drive" app and leave it running for ~2 hours | 21:14 |
| javispedro | hold the power button for 10 seconds | 21:14 |
| hardaker2 | but mine arrived wet in the box from DHL | 21:14 |
| fiferboy | Your device will be off on takeoff :) | 21:14 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: off forever =) | 21:14 |
| hardaker2 | javispedro: 30 seconds doesn't do it ;-) | 21:14 |
| hardaker2 | I'd turn it off to see if I could turn it on, but then.... I might not be able to. | 21:15 |
| javispedro | is it mechnically broken? does it lock/unlock the screen? | 21:15 |
| hardaker2 | no | 21:15 |
| hardaker2 | I belivee it's mechanical, yes. | 21:15 |
| javispedro | I wonder what was the DHL guy thinking when he delivered a soaking box? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | (and what where you thinking btw? :) ) | 21:16 |
| hardaker2 | well, the box wasn't soaking.... | 21:17 |
| hardaker2 | the packing slip was "damp" (and had obviously been drying for a while) | 21:17 |
| hardaker2 | but the device was literally in a plastic bag with water at the bottom and all over the device. | 21:17 |
| hardaker2 | the manual was actually dry, but very trashed from getting obviously very very wet. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | must have rained a lot | 21:18 |
| hardaker2 | it didn't do anything at first, but then it did after a day and finally the USB-on-boot symbol showed up so I tried flashing it and it actually started working. | 21:18 |
| GAN900 | lol | 21:18 |
| GAN900 | I wouldn't have signed for it. | 21:18 |
| GAN900 | Watch them pay to replace a prototype. | 21:19 |
| hardaker2 | that's the thing... I didn't notice till I opened the box | 21:19 |
| hardaker2 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardaker/sets/72157627341482840/with/6002861742/ | 21:20 |
| hardaker2 | those are the pictures once i realized there was a problem with the box | 21:20 |
| javispedro | DHL repacked, lol | 21:21 |
| hardaker2 | yeah... | 21:21 |
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| GAN900 | hardaker2, I'd notify Quim and DHL. | 21:44 |
| hardaker2 | I've actually been talking with Nokia. | 21:45 |
| hardaker2 | I think they're waiting longer. I need to bug them again. | 21:45 |
| hardaker2 | they actually said they'd exchange it. | 21:45 |
| hardaker2 | (but then didn't say much after that) | 21:45 |
| javispedro | oh god | 21:46 |
| javispedro | on the n900 it was hard to enable vsync in OpenGL, on the N950 it is hard to _disable_ it. | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Make up your mind what you want! ;) | 21:49 |
| hardaker2 | he wants a qml checkbox slider for it | 21:50 |
| javispedro | there's this function to change it. there's even a set of accesory functions to request the max and min value | 21:50 |
| javispedro | and the n900 it was min 0 max 0, on the n950 it is min 1 max 1. | 21:51 |
| javispedro | wonderful! | 21:51 |
| javispedro | this could cause a problem as that means eglSwapBuffers might block for up to around 15ms | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | lol | 21:53 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, file a bug? | 21:56 |
| GAN900 | owait | 21:56 |
| wazd | Channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? That's IRC, son! :d | 21:57 |
| wazd | I mean hi again :) | 21:58 |
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| fiferboy | Hi wazd | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | I want UPnP in the media player. | 22:08 |
| hardaker2 | GAN900: I noticed that missing too. :-( | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | UPnP was so good in the Maemo5 media player | 22:11 |
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| RzR | hi | 22:11 |
| javispedro | like gnome, maemo has been reducing features through each release =) | 22:11 |
| hardaker2 | rzr! | 22:12 |
| hardaker2 | so... | 22:12 |
| hardaker2 | done porting git yet?? hint hint. nudge nudge. | 22:12 |
| hardaker2 | it's awfully empty at the moment. | 22:13 |
| javispedro | harmattan/sdk/non-free libjpeg62-dev lol ? | 22:15 |
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| RzR | hardaker2: i had git in my repo for day 1 :) it's an old version though | 22:21 |
| RzR | git-core | 22:21 |
| RzR | not git | 22:21 |
| hardaker2 | yeah. I realized that actually. | 22:22 |
| hardaker2 | installing it from git-core in your repo though: | 22:22 |
| hardaker2 | http://pastebin.com/w219rDpf | 22:22 |
| hardaker2 | shows no binaries | 22:22 |
| RzR | true | 22:22 |
| RzR | there is a mistake i didnt fix | 22:22 |
| RzR | prev version used to work | 22:23 |
| RzR | too bad | 22:23 |
| RzR | i can revert those changes now | 22:23 |
| hardaker2 | :-) | 22:24 |
| RzR | trust me it works on mine | 22:25 |
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| RzR | hardaker2: still here ? | 22:32 |
| hardaker2 | yep. | 22:33 |
| RzR | i'll ping you when it's ready | 22:33 |
| hardaker2 | very cool, thanks. | 22:33 |
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| GAN900 | Has anybody benchmarked the eMMC yet? | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | No | 23:15 |
| lcuk | GAN900, i don't think anyone really benchmarked the eMMC on maemo | 23:17 |
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