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| Venemo | djszapi, we'll talk about it tomorrow. | 00:01 |
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| thp | wazd: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/08/gpodder-qml-mock-ups-by-wazd-part-1.html :) | 01:19 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has had very little energy for hacking this week. | 03:44 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn 60+ work weeks. | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | 48h limit in the UK - caused moderate problems with junior doctors. | 03:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, labor laws. | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doing more harm than good since your great grandfather worked the salt mines. | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. I think it's probably sane to regulate the hours of some professions. | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - drivers, doctors, ... | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | As a general regulation over all workers? | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, people are different | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you can't function at a certain level, that's you and your employer's responsibility. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | If a hospital is regularly fielding doctors who are too tired to function then care will suffer | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and customers will take note | 03:55 |
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| antman8969 | docscrutinizer, you in here? | 06:58 |
| dm8tbr | unless he's hiding under a different nick, then it doesn't look like it, does it? | 07:04 |
| SpeedEvil | He's in other channels. | 07:05 |
| SpeedEvil | He's rather irritated at the whole aegis thing at the moment. | 07:05 |
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| antman8969 | new aegis thing? or just the same old | 07:06 |
| dm8tbr | same old, really | 07:06 |
| antman8969 | yea it's unfortunate, especially with what he's trying to do | 07:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I share some of his concern about aegis - how it's configured in the released n9 totally determines if it's a usable device or not. | 07:07 |
| SpeedEvil | (from some points of view) | 07:07 |
| dm8tbr | that are two separate things though. | 07:07 |
| antman8969 | well, if there will be any worthy content | 07:07 |
| antman8969 | or did you mean usable as a main device for a dev | 07:08 |
| SpeedEvil | If, for example, to do hostmode, you need to boot your own kernel, which won't support aegis, which means that the phone, maps, ... don't work, then it's kinda hard. | 07:08 |
| antman8969 | did they talk about why they decided to go aegis in the first place? | 07:08 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: that is pretty clear, musb_hdrc seems compiled in and without host mode. so it needs either an own kernel or an different kernel signed by nokia | 07:09 |
| SpeedEvil | My view is that aegis was being designed (at least in concept) back in 2009ish | 07:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It may not have been being coded in the form that aegis is now. | 07:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | The design was for when there were going to be a hundred million or so maemo phones. | 07:09 |
| dm8tbr | antman8969: aegis implements a concept that is being pushed by the mobile phone operators | 07:09 |
| SpeedEvil | It was going to take over all of the high end of nokias handsets. | 07:10 |
| antman8969 | why such a harsh system though? | 07:10 |
| dm8tbr | antman8969: see my last statement | 07:10 |
| SpeedEvil | At that point - you possibly do have to do concessions to get it shipped by some operators in volume. | 07:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And some content providers will want 'nasty' DRM. | 07:10 |
| antman8969 | I'm unfamiliar with the actual concept you're referring to dm8lbr, care to elaborate? | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If however, it's going to sell perhaps 500K-2M, many content providers will be entirely uninterested in the platform. | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | They want increasing control over apps run on phones. | 07:11 |
| antman8969 | unfortunate | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Also aegis has the happy side-effect of facilitating an app-store. | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | antman8969: http://www.omtp.org/Publications/Display.aspx?Id=4ef6fab8-89ea-4fbb-9665-c1dc57b1d79e | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis does all you want of a solution that only lets blessed binaries run. | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps with the addition of the ability to lock apps to a phone, which may require more configuration. | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | and as far aegis is currently less of an angry beast that it could be | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | like e.g. requiring signing for most capabilities etc | 07:14 |
| antman8969 | damage to the network in non secured environments? How real of a threat is that.... | 07:14 |
| SpeedEvil | antman8969: 'damage to the network' = 'revenue damage to the network' - this can take many forms. | 07:15 |
| antman8969 | mm | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Ok, we'll take your phone, but only our VOIP client'. | 07:15 |
| dm8tbr | mobile phone operators are a crazy bunch | 07:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The phone makers aren't the ones with the big stick. Unless they're apple. | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | The cell company can simply refuse to subsidise handsets. | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | And bang. | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Instead of $49.99 for 24 months, they are $900 up-front, and $29.99 per month | 07:17 |
| dm8tbr | e.g. one rumour is that the N950 is not a consumer device because 'operators didn't want to subsidize a keyboard phone' | 07:17 |
| SpeedEvil | If I was an operator. | 07:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be very worried about that horribly fragile looking hinge. | 07:18 |
| antman8969 | well they allowed the tmobile g2 | 07:18 |
| SpeedEvil | g2 has a _huge_ amount more consumer pull than the n950 | 07:18 |
| antman8969 | I was originally looking for doc to get some input on his android hate, could you guys tell me what it is that prevents you from developing for android? | 07:19 |
| antman8969 | looking for input | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Several reasons. | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Firstly, I do not consider it worthwhile developing or aiding systems that require 'rooting'. | 07:20 |
| SpeedEvil | This is simply as it is quite technically possible to get a device that is completely secure against hackers. | 07:20 |
| SpeedEvil | As long as you properly implement the trust chain - and have it audited by people with a clue, you can make it functionally bulletproof. | 07:21 |
| SpeedEvil | This hasn't been done yet - but it doesn't mean it won't be. | 07:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Secondly, historically at least, there has been a reluctance to allow native code - this has obvious performance issues. | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Thirdly - the inability to access the android market unless your device is 'blessed'. | 07:22 |
| antman8969 | referring to the developer fee? | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | device, not app | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The approvals to get google to bless your device and let you access the android market are nasty. | 07:23 |
| antman8969 | I guess what I am more curious about now.. I'm still a student so my development is a hobby. I'm not sure how people here generally support themselves | 07:24 |
| antman8969 | are most people here developing for fun on the side of a 'real' job? | 07:24 |
| SpeedEvil | In addition, I don't agree with what they're doing with the linux kernel. | 07:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Maintaining massive forks, and often vendors won't supply code in a timely manner. | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I would guess that most in here are not paid directly to code on linux apps. | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I honestly don't know what the breakdown is. | 07:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's more lively 10-7 hours ago, probably ask then. | 07:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Fourthly - android is not linux. In may ways. | 07:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo (at least 5) is pretty much a 'normal' linux system. | 07:26 |
| antman8969 | basically you're against android on principal | 07:27 |
| SpeedEvil | With some annoying binary blobs. | 07:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I consider it to be a useful counterweight against apple in the marketplace, but am ot sure it helps the cause of open phones much. | 07:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially googles stance about the marketplace. | 07:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And the other google apps - maps. | 07:28 |
| ieatlint | has anyone had an issue where the output of qDebug() isn't shown on the n950? | 09:00 |
| ieatlint | either running the app via terminal, or via qtcreator... | 09:00 |
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| ieatlint | seems like qdebug messages from other threads don't display | 09:05 |
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| ieatlint | meh, nm, worked around it well enough with a non-default debug handler | 09:12 |
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| Stskeeps | some good progress for the freedom loving people: | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | Jan 1 01:00:07 (none) kernel: [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32.39-dfl61 (carsten@ideapad.tspre.org) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2010q1-202) ) #2 PREEMPT Thu Aug 4 08:55:12 CEST 2011 | 10:09 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: \o/ | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2318504 | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | the bad news is that i had to get past a bug in bootloader that's not fixed in your current images :P | 10:32 |
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| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: you got it working? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: right | 11:08 |
| hiemanshu | nice | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan doesn't boot since i pulled aegis totally but it should be possible to do a controlled maiming | 11:08 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: newer kernels? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | newer bootloader is what matters | 11:09 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, we will have to wait for that :( | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | well hmm | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | didn't you say you played with kernel stuff? | 11:10 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: can nolo be updated through OTA or by flasher? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: flasher | 11:26 |
| dm8tbr | as long as it's possible for PRD, then I think that would be acceptable | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | mine has no rd certificate, so yes | 11:27 |
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| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: yes I did, and it wouldn't even boot up sadly, so I had to just flash it | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, did you get any messages/warranty message? | 11:55 |
| hiemanshu | I dont recall anything | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | prolly hitting the same bug as i did | 11:56 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 11:56 |
| hiemanshu | lets wait for a newer image then :) | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | when that comes i would suggest people to simply point kernel to a new init script, set up usb networking and such there and put messages out over that | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | and then find a way to patch aegis away/maim it | 11:57 |
| Termana | Still waiting for my N950. I think I might give DHL an ear full tomorrow | 12:01 |
| Termana | :p | 12:01 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: those missing APIs, i guess they're kernel side? | 12:01 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: I thought you got yours | 12:01 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, nope. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: i disabled aegis in kernel ;) | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | which was a bit rough | 12:02 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: what functionality do you loose? | 12:03 |
| Termana | Sent out July 27th, in my main city on August 1st, been sitting on "Delivery arranged no details expected" since | 12:03 |
| w00t_ | just wondering if it's possible to stub stuff out as a route to disabling it without breaking too much :) | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: not sure if you really loose any functionality tbh | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: of course security-related stuff | 12:03 |
| Termana | Don't you lose a couple of the in-built apps, e.g. Drive | 12:03 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: which means no nokia account either? | 12:03 |
| Termana | Someone mentioned Drive relies on aegis | 12:04 |
| hiemanshu | drive relies on nokia account, not aegis | 12:04 |
| hiemanshu | AFAIK | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | hiemanshu: no idea | 12:04 |
| hiemanshu | unless no aegis disabled the cell modem, wifi, or GPS, it should be ok | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | we use those in CE, so no | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | at least cell, wifi | 12:07 |
| hiemanshu | so now we are down to jailbreaking Maemo/Meego too :/ | 12:08 |
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| Termana | hiemanshu, what do you mean? Are you specifically trying to apply that sentence to Harmattan? | 12:38 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: yes | 12:38 |
| Termana | ("Maemo/MeeGo") | 12:38 |
| hiemanshu | aegis wont work with H-E-N IIRC from what doc said | 12:39 |
| frals | wth does H-E-N stand for? | 12:53 |
| * w00t_ clucks | 12:54 | |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: what does HEN stand for ? | 12:59 |
| hiemanshu | frals: usb host mode, no idea what it stands for | 12:59 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5xpTZJpwo that should explain it | 13:00 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: you are wrong, it will work. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | if I am getting what you wanna achieve. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | but I think it is even written on the wikipage, actually. | 13:05 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: DocScrutinizer said it doesn't so I dont really know | 13:08 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: he is working on the hardware side, a few of us are only going to do the GUI | 13:11 |
| hiemanshu | also no doc and mohammadag in this chan :( | 13:11 |
| djszapi | I have also told him couple of times, it works. Let me not repeat myself all the time. | 13:11 |
| djszapi | he just speculates without knowing the fact. | 13:12 |
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| kimju | as far as I understand aegis, there is nothing in it that would prevent usb-hostmode from working. | 13:12 |
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| djszapi | well, it indeed has. | 13:13 |
| djszapi | but with your custom kernel (just in case like N900), it works oob. | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | except booting another kernel | 13:13 |
| kimju | getting your own kernel running (or not) in first place is not limited by aegis. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/2318504 | 13:13 |
| hiemanshu | kimju: that is still technically *jailbreaking* | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps tried it, it doesn't (as of 22-6) | 13:13 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: just like N900 was. | 13:14 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: right | 13:14 |
| djszapi | no difference, but more whining :) | 13:14 |
| hiemanshu | well only thing I hate about aegis really is not being able to delete files as root created by user | 13:14 |
| hiemanshu | everything else can be worked around | 13:14 |
| djszapi | you still not having idea about the platform ? | 13:15 |
| djszapi | I cannot believe it... | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | atleast so far | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: I do | 13:15 |
| djszapi | no, your statement clearly states you do not. | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | but being a linux user for quite a bit of time, I used to the idea of root being able to rm -rf users stuff | 13:15 |
| djszapi | harmattan != unix workstation. I am not sure why I need to repeat it gazillion times every day | 13:16 |
| djszapi | bit tiresome... | 13:16 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: you know that I am just ranting right | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi, probably not worth your time to continue trying to defeat rants. :) | 13:17 |
| hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: o/ | 13:17 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: I love that aegis does what it does, but a few things about it is a no-go | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, oh cool, 22-6? | 13:18 |
| djszapi | GeneralAntilles: sorry ? | 13:19 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: it might be that there is not enough resource nowadays, but what you say "no-go" makes zero sense. | 13:19 |
| * frals steals Stskeeps IMEI number | 13:19 | |
| djszapi | it would really be very very bad to havea unix workstation security. | 13:20 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: the black screen of reflash :P | 13:20 |
| hiemanshu | BSoR :D | 13:20 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 13:20 |
| hiemanshu | the device asking you to reflash when something is odd according to it | 13:20 |
| djszapi | not getting you. | 13:21 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: when you do something stupid, like changing something in a file whose hash is stored, aegis will nuke the device, I understand this at the consumer level, not at the devel level | 13:24 |
| djszapi | there is nothing like that in the design. | 13:25 |
| djszapi | You never provided steps to reproduce | 13:25 |
| djszapi | if you are just repeating the whining people without facts, I do not have sake to continue. | 13:25 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: try changing a python script that requests a token, I made a typo in one, changed it, and boom, reflash | 13:26 |
| djszapi | is this really a concrete step set ? | 13:27 |
| djszapi | Have you ever reported bugs with proper steps ? | 13:27 |
| hiemanshu | yes and no | 13:28 |
| hiemanshu | there was a blog post about it too | 13:29 |
| hiemanshu | http://dz015.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-or-python-security-fw-and-harmattan/ | 13:29 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: ^ read the last part, went through that | 13:29 |
| djszapi | lot of misinformation in that blog and posts. | 13:31 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | is the RM-696 the N9? | 13:35 |
| djszapi | nop | 13:35 |
| djszapi | oops, I might be wrong with it | 13:36 |
| djszapi | :) | 13:36 |
| djszapi | yep, it seems so. | 13:36 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: funky, I cannot reproduce this either | 13:37 |
| djszapi | I modified a shell scripting, works oob ... | 13:37 |
| djszapi | s/scripting/script/ | 13:37 |
| djszapi | "works" as in no reflash need. | 13:38 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: does the shell script request a token? | 13:39 |
| djszapi | yes, of course. | 13:39 |
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| captainigloo | Ok this time i used the right method(i guess), i.e. i create debian packages for all my libs, and build them with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakerot inside scratchbox | 13:52 |
| captainigloo | and the binary can be launched :) | 13:52 |
| captainigloo | but only by using the terminal, not by using ssh | 13:53 |
| captainigloo | But i have another issue. One of my libs install a binary wich is used to build a binary format in others libs. But when this binary is called inside scratchbox, i get a qemu segmentation fault | 13:55 |
| djszapi | mmm | 13:55 |
| djszapi | I experienced that a lot with test cases, if it is not a test case it is even trickier since you cannot just disable it :( | 13:56 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: yes, the n9 is the RM-696 | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: sadly no, bug in bootloader. but later images it works on | 13:56 |
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| captainigloo | djszapi: if i build packages with OBS, it's using scratchbox for the build ? | 13:57 |
| kimju | obs has similar functionality, but it doesn't use scratchbox as is. | 13:58 |
| djszapi | captainigloo: nop, chroot | 13:58 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if later images will have the same software on the N9 | 13:59 | |
| djszapi | same as ? | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | I know it's a dev device, but I kinda need skype | 13:59 |
| djszapi | no, skype is not involved. | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 14:00 |
| ieatlint | can you reveal if skype will be on the n9 though? | 14:00 |
| djszapi | I think it will be available of course. | 14:01 |
| ieatlint | i want a unicorn too | 14:02 |
| djszapi | I do not know unicorn :) | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Skype's listed on swipe.nokia.com; and Nokians have previously said the N950 will get the N9 release image made available to it | 14:02 |
| ieatlint | it's delicious like corn, but more singular | 14:03 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: no, that is a different image | 14:03 |
| djszapi | with different oem1 thing. | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: Define "that" | 14:03 |
| captainigloo | djszapi: so i'm stucked until scratchbox doesn't launch my binary ... | 14:04 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: n9 and n950 | 14:04 |
| djszapi | captainigloo: I would just try osc and if that works, I would be happy :) | 14:05 |
| djszapi | qemu is scary for those segfault things | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | it already is available on the N9 (review units) | 14:05 |
| captainigloo | what's osc ? | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | seems like it's a separate application rather than telepathy-spirit though | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I was referring to the next update | 14:06 |
| frals | i would be surprised if n950 doesnt get the same software as n9 does when its out... but thats just me speculating etc, i have no clue about what really happens | 14:06 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: I don't understand; perhaps complete sentences would help? Skype is one of the advertised features on swipe.nokia.com. That implies it'll be "standard" in the N9 release, as it was in Fremantle. Nokia developer support people have said that when the N9 release is made, the N950 will get it. | 14:06 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: if you read 10 lines back, you can realize that I said, it is not available on N950, but available N9 right now | 14:07 |
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| djszapi | I do not have crystal ball to know the future.. | 14:07 |
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| RzR | djszapi: hi | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You mean an update to the N950, *before* the N9 is released? Has anyone said that's happening, because it wasn't when I was last online a week and a half ago | 14:07 |
| djszapi | RzR: hi, how are you ? | 14:07 |
| RzR | djszapi: i build soprano finally | 14:07 |
| djszapi | awesome niftiness :) | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | djszapi: I know it's not available on the N950. MohammadAG knows it's not available on the N950; that's why he mentioned it. | 14:07 |
| RzR | djszapi: that one is for you : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 14:07 |
| djszapi | that is the hardest package ever :p | 14:08 |
| ieatlint | i do not think skype is currently available on the n9, iether | 14:08 |
| djszapi | it has not been working for 3 weeks or a bit more :p | 14:08 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: it is ... | 14:08 |
| djszapi | I am using... | 14:08 |
| captainigloo | RzR: hi ! | 14:08 |
| ieatlint | interesting | 14:08 |
| RzR | hi captainigloo , i am still on tls | 14:08 |
| captainigloo | what are you doing here ? | 14:09 |
| RzR | roaming as always | 14:09 |
| djszapi | RzR: interestin, after 100% ? | 14:09 |
| djszapi | interesting* | 14:09 |
| RzR | captainigloo: I fixed libgcrypt11 | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, afaik yes there will be one for MOSLO | 14:10 |
| djszapi | Jaffa: and no, the latest N950 images do not contain skype, still. | 14:11 |
| captainigloo | RzR: i built packages in scratchbox, and i changed gnutls by openssl in packages descriptions | 14:11 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: is it in the ovi store? | 14:11 |
| RzR | captainigloo: yes can you upload them ? | 14:12 |
| captainigloo | it works well for eina, eet, evas, ecore, embryo, edje, eio, expedite | 14:12 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: what where ? :) | 14:12 |
| captainigloo | yes i will | 14:12 |
| RzR | captainigloo: the srcs not binarries | 14:12 |
| RzR | great | 14:12 |
| ieatlint | indeed | 14:12 |
| captainigloo | but now i'm stucked as edje is build binaries | 14:12 |
| ieatlint | :) | 14:12 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: skype is available by default on the N9 image. | 14:13 |
| captainigloo | and i can't launch it in scratchbox | 14:13 |
| djszapi | it would be worse if it was not the case... | 14:13 |
| lcuk | good afternoon fellow meego/harmattan professionals \o | 14:13 |
| ieatlint | weird, ok.. can you answer how recently it's been included? | 14:13 |
| captainigloo | RzR: i wonder if i will not have the same problem with obs | 14:13 |
| ieatlint | like, within the past week, 2 weeks, month, etc? | 14:13 |
| djszapi | lcuk heeeeey! :) | 14:14 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:14 |
| captainigloo | RzR: where would you like i upload them ? | 14:14 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: for a relatively long time | 14:14 |
| ieatlint | huh, ok, thanks | 14:14 |
| captainigloo | RzR: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan <= here ? | 14:14 |
| djszapi | Rzr: I think I have no clue about the kdelibs issue :( | 14:14 |
| RzR | home:rzr:harmattan is open for non debian sources | 14:14 |
| RzR | for anyone | 14:14 |
| RzR | anyone we can trust :) | 14:15 |
| RzR | ping me if you want to be added | 14:15 |
| RST38h | RzR: Will you accept a binary only package? | 14:15 |
| RzR | no | 14:15 |
| RzR | opensource or die | 14:15 |
| djszapi | hahahahaha | 14:15 |
| RST38h | not useful then | 14:15 |
| RzR | :) | 14:16 |
| RST38h | but do continue on your quest | 14:16 |
| captainigloo | RzR: it seems that you already added me | 14:16 |
| RzR | RST38h: it's not a quest it's a survival question :) | 14:17 |
| RST38h | RzR: Nah, I can bring up my own repo and do whatever I want there | 14:17 |
| RzR | captainigloo: i confirm | 14:17 |
| RST38h | So can everyone. And PackRat will index them too | 14:17 |
| RzR | RST38h: sure this is freedom too | 14:17 |
| RST38h | RzR: You are artifically restricting types of packages in your repo. It is not freedom, sorry. | 14:18 |
| captainigloo | RzR: ah and i use svn for the sources, so it's not a released version of the libs, it's a problem ? | 14:18 |
| RzR | so far no | 14:18 |
| RzR | please name the release as 0.0.YYYYMMDD | 14:18 |
| RzR | i use this | 14:18 |
| djszapi | captainigloo: no, it is not | 14:18 |
| djszapi | just use it how debian does then | 14:18 |
| djszapi | it is inevitable in some cases to not do that way. | 14:18 |
| RzR | then if someone make a real release version it will be prefered id r= > 0.0.x | 14:19 |
| djszapi | well, date is not enough imho. | 14:19 |
| djszapi | I prefer also the commit number... | 14:19 |
| captainigloo | it's 1.0.999-1 | 14:19 |
| djszapi | more commits can happen one day. | 14:19 |
| RzR | please name the release as 0.0.YYYYMMDD~svn$rev | 14:19 |
| captainigloo | yep i will do that | 14:19 |
| RzR | I prefer 0.0.x for snapshots | 14:19 |
| captainigloo | hum, it's snapshots after the 1.0.1 | 14:20 |
| RzR | that's the idea | 14:21 |
| RzR | unofficial build should not overide released one | 14:21 |
| RzR | if some one manage to package the 1.0.1 then that one will be installed | 14:22 |
| djszapi | RzR: any help is welcome about kdelibs.. | 14:22 |
| RzR | else it will install the higher known one which is 0.0.x | 14:22 |
| RzR | djszapi: i'll try to, but i am very busy | 14:23 |
| captainigloo | yep but the app can be used with 1.0.1 and 1.0.999 | 14:23 |
| captainigloo | it just bug correction and more api | 14:23 |
| captainigloo | api/abi is not broken | 14:23 |
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| djszapi | RzR: ok, I am going to Berlin soon and I do not have time for two weeks or so :) | 14:24 |
| djszapi | RzR: interesting thing is that it never happened in my repository that way. | 14:25 |
| RzR | different configuration different base etc | 14:26 |
| djszapi | different configuration, different case ? | 14:26 |
| djszapi | I submitted the some dependencies from my repository. | 14:26 |
| djszapi | s/case/base/ | 14:27 |
| djszapi | same* | 14:28 |
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| captainigloo | arg, svn is not installable in scratchbox | 14:38 |
| lcuk | captainigloo, svn is a "devkit" | 14:39 |
| djszapi | captainigloo: at least, I used it | 14:39 |
| lcuk | you use sb-menu and add compiler + devkit items into a target | 14:39 |
| djszapi | or just install scratchbox-devkit-svn | 14:40 |
| lcuk | djszapi, same thing I think? | 14:42 |
| RzR | are u running scratchbox on a meego desktop ? | 14:42 |
| RzR | side question ; what filemanager do you use in harmattan ? | 14:43 |
| djszapi | lcuk: I guess, I am just a cli geek =p | 14:43 |
| djszapi | RzR: cli, cd, ls and so forth :) | 14:43 |
| RzR | so do i | 14:43 |
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| RzR | and how do you cut and paste from the terminal ? | 14:44 |
| kimju | you don't | 14:44 |
| kimju | that is still missing | 14:44 |
| djszapi | I do not :) | 14:44 |
| djszapi | but wasn't there a file manager alike competition few days ago ? | 14:45 |
| RzR | next q , what editor are you using ? | 14:45 |
| kimju | but I think c&p support is coming | 14:45 |
| djszapi | RzR: vi :) | 14:45 |
| RzR | that one is great : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=KhtEditor&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 14:45 |
| djszapi | got a screenshot ? | 14:46 |
| RzR | djszapi: i am a emacs dude , and i cant use it from terminal there is a C-c hack | 14:46 |
| RzR | install it and use import :) | 14:46 |
| djszapi | no, thanks vi is enough for me =p | 14:47 |
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| RzR | if anyone here is bored please try to build that one : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=readline6&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian | 14:48 |
| captainigloo | lcuk: i'm using HARMATTAN_ARMEL and Devkit is already checked in sb-menu install | 14:50 |
| captainigloo | but svn is not found | 14:50 |
| lcuk | captainigloo, djszapi gave alternative | 14:50 |
| lcuk | <djszapi> or just install scratchbox-devkit-svn | 14:51 |
| djszapi | (outside of sb for sure ;) | 14:51 |
| captainigloo | ah that's the point :) | 14:51 |
| lcuk | djszapi, if you install it like that, does it get added to each of the targets? | 14:52 |
| RzR | captainigloo: install git-svn :) | 14:52 |
| RzR | or mount --bind and use host's one | 14:53 |
| djszapi | RzR: that will not work, different target. | 14:53 |
| RzR | does captainigloo need to run it in the target or just to fetch the sources ? | 14:53 |
| RzR | well i am gone now | 14:54 |
| RzR | later guys | 14:54 |
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| djszapi | RzR: well it is handy to use a log, diff and other things without changing tab or window. | 14:55 |
| rZr | for a vi noob yes , emacs kings will use this time to hack elisp | 14:56 |
| djszapi | I was speaking about vcs... | 14:56 |
| rZr | i do too | 14:56 |
| djszapi | not getting you then | 14:57 |
| captainigloo | i need to run it on the target | 14:57 |
| rZr | well i am gone i said | 14:57 |
| rZr | l8er | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | Anyone find it annoying having to click connect after tapping an access point? | 15:04 |
| djszapi | no I could do it once in every blue moon since it is autoconnected after that | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | I tapped an access point and kept trying to ssh in | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | then noticed I had to click connect | 15:06 |
| djszapi | you saw that message it is "connected" after tapping ? | 15:06 |
| djszapi | I highly doubt | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | what? | 15:18 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm just saying it should be the same as Maemo 5 | 15:18 |
| djszapi | I wish this would be the biggest problem seriously.. | 15:19 |
| djszapi | also, there was a bug because of the capacity screen why it indeed is needed. | 15:20 |
| lcuk | djszapi, too sensitive whilst panning list? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | ie detecting taps instead of strokes | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | that means other lists should have double taps too | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't make sense | 15:21 |
| djszapi | no | 15:21 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, some lists are more frustrating than others :P | 15:21 |
| djszapi | because wi-fi connections can be changed rapidly.... | 15:21 |
| djszapi | new network..... | 15:22 |
| djszapi | so you confirm you do connect to the proper network | 15:22 |
| djszapi | I do not see how this is relevant to any other list. | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | changed rapidly? | 15:22 |
| djszapi | well yeah. | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | they don't have to be alphabatical | 15:23 |
| djszapi | who speaks about alphabetical ? | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | alphabetical* | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | well, what else? | 15:23 |
| djszapi | well, if the update rate is fast | 15:23 |
| djszapi | you can click on something when something is being appeared | 15:23 |
| djszapi | so you click on false network | 15:23 |
| djszapi | so confirmation is fine with me | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> they don't have to be alphabatical | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> alphabetical* | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | add networks as they're found | 15:23 |
| djszapi | also, you do need to do it once in every blue moon | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | to the bottom of the list | 15:23 |
| djszapi | I did it 2-3 times in half a year or so | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | no, actually I need to do it quite often cause it doesn't connect manually | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | automatically* | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | so just add networks to the bottom of the list, you won't make a mistake | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | it worked on maemo 5 | 15:24 |
| djszapi | maemo 5 != maemo 6 | 15:24 |
| djszapi | also, it does connect automatically | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | user = user | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | not all the time, and it drops the connection for me at times | 15:25 |
| djszapi | oh yeah, gnome user is also a user, so is a KDE user | 15:25 |
| djszapi | it is a very weak arguement, sorry ) | 15:25 |
| djszapi | :) | 15:25 |
| djszapi | well, wfm | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | and wfm, but annoying and wfm aren't mutually exclusive | 15:26 |
| djszapi | this is whining category for me | 15:26 |
| djszapi | I am fine with tapping once every now and then for making sure, confirmation | 15:26 |
| djszapi | if there is a bug with autoconnection that I have never experienced, that is a completely different discussion | 15:27 |
| hiemanshu | well for me, an automatic never some times ends up in the manual connection and gets very pissing off | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Sigh, /me walks away | 15:27 |
| djszapi | Also, alphabetical really helps a lot to find the network, thus I actually find it very useful | 15:29 |
| djszapi | I think this is a nice improvement to fremantle then.. | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | arg MohammadAG - do you know which /sys branch the compass comes from? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | nope, haven't delved in that far yet :P | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, I couldn't find the state file for the keyboard slide yet | 16:01 |
| lcuk | blol | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | you know where the file for the accel is? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-07-22.log.html#t2011-07-22T22:28:03 | 16:02 |
| lcuk | ahh magnetometer | 16:02 |
| lcuk | compass reading | 16:02 |
| djszapi | rZr: mmm, c-obs seems to be a bit buggy. Gluon does not build since it cannot find libalure-dev. However it is properly built in that repository. | 16:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | is it possible to build things depending on OpnGL in COBS ? | 16:17 |
| djszapi | I do not see why not | 16:17 |
| djszapi | though, for mobile platform, you might need opengles | 16:17 |
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| djszapi | that would be a great addition, if you can help with that :0 | 16:17 |
| djszapi | :)* | 16:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | Clutter supports both normal and ES so it should not be a problem :) | 16:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I remember something about building SDL & missing libraries | 16:18 |
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| wazd | Hi all | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 16:21 |
| RST38h | moo wazd, seen the photo? | 16:21 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I guess not? :) | 16:22 |
| wazd | no* | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | wazd: check the G+ feed | 16:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: wooo | 16:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, has the guy from NR contacted you? :) | 16:24 |
| RST38bis | wazd: Yea | 16:24 |
| wazd | RST38bis: awesome | 16:25 |
| RST38bis | wazd: I doubt he will get his wish though, because they won't accept it without ROMs and it is prolly illegal to accept it with ROMs | 16:25 |
| RST38bis | Even if I only include the ones of archeological value | 16:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: he wanted it to be bundled with all the roms? | 16:25 |
| RST38bis | I do not think he understand it this deeply | 16:26 |
| RST38bis | He just wants a pretty app, that is all | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | Just an FYI everyone | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | ii telepathy-spirit 0.7.4-9+0m6 Skype connection manager for Telepathy | 16:26 |
| RST38bis | Yoooooo | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | it's already installed, just not in the UI | 16:26 |
| RST38bis | Which repo, Mohammad? | 16:26 |
| RST38bis | ah ok | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | ii telepathy-gabble 0.12.0+0maemo8+0m6 Jabber/XMPP connection manager | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | that too | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: apt-cache search accounts | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | or account | 16:27 |
| RST38bis | I suggest we catch and torture lcuk for details! =) | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | E: Package account-plugin-skype has no installation candidate | 16:27 |
| wazd | RST38bis: well, is there a problem to bundle 85 and 86 roms? | 16:27 |
| RST38bis | wazd: Yep. Even the 82 ROM | 16:28 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: hard at work huh | 16:28 |
| RST38bis | wazd: The problem is called "Texas Instruments legal department" | 16:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: meh | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | macmaN, something like that :P | 16:29 |
| RST38bis | wazd: It is ok while the software has low profile, but once you start advertising it left and right, your probability to meet TI LD people rises | 16:29 |
| wazd | RST38bis: maybe we can add some obvious way to install roms like console emus do? :D | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 82 ROM? | 16:30 |
| RST38bis | wazd: Well, I will add a warning dialog telling the user where to place ROMs | 16:30 |
| RST38bis | wazd: But I doubt Ovi testing team will care | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Calculator? | 16:30 |
| RST38bis | BTW, gentlemen, what is your approach to warning/message dialogs? Should I just use MTF for there, or is there a better way? | 16:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn, sometimes I relly hate this planet :( | 16:32 |
| RST38bis | wazd: most console emulators do not need ROMs, so this point does not apply | 16:32 |
| RST38bis | wazd: It is not the planet but the creatures inhabiting it | 16:32 |
| RST38bis | wazd: Nothing an asteroid or some nice germs can't fix btw | 16:32 |
| wazd | RST38bis: well, virtually ATi doesn't need rom too | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | mp-harmattan-rm680-pr yay we still have a metapackage | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: no such things as true windowed dialogs, just draw on top of your screen surface | 16:34 |
| RST38bis | wazd: An airborne-transmittable syphilis strain would do wonders to the world population counts, for example. Easy transmission, long gestation periods, perfect | 16:34 |
| RST38bis | Stskeeps: <facepalm> | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh. | 16:35 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: yep | 16:35 |
| RST38bis | Stskeeps: Actually, there is such a thing, QDialogs work, but they are kinda ugly | 16:35 |
| RST38bis | Stskeeps: Based on the overall situation, it does sound like MTF is the most realistic method (with #ifndefed fallback to plain Qt) | 16:36 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: well.. there is Dialog in components | 16:37 |
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| frals | RST38bis: Dialogs/Banners are part of qt-components at least | 16:42 |
| RST38bis | frals: I will not make the user wait for 2-3 second just to show a message | 16:44 |
| RST38bis | So, yes, qtcomponents are ok to use in a qml app but not in the qt/mixed environment | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | well, gotta start working on my first QML app | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | should I use qt-components? | 16:47 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yeah, it has a lot of those missing components | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: They make things a lot easier | 16:47 |
| hiemanshu | that are missing in QML | 16:47 |
| RST38bis | Mohammad: definitely | 16:48 |
| RST38bis | Mohammad: unless you are willing to implement your own ui framework from scratch | 16:48 |
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| MohammadAG | lemme guess, they're preinstalled in QtSDK? | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You have to install the Harmattan section from the updater | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | got that | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You should be good then | 16:55 |
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| GAN900 | Components are purty | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the password for the developer account? | 17:00 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I can't remember; I use key authentication | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | how'd you deploy the key then? | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | manually? | 17:02 |
| GAN900 | wazd, you played with Components yet? | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, the SDK sets it up. | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | Randomly generated password. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | the SDK needs a password initially | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | ah screw it, /me unlocks account and changes pass | 17:05 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: open the sdk connectivity tool, and select WLAN, that should give the password | 17:05 |
| hiemanshu | the IP and password that is needed, QtSDK will install a ssh key for you, so you wont need the password again | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, already set it myself | 17:06 |
| RST38bis | Mohammad: rootme? | 17:06 |
| hiemanshu | RST38bis: for the user 'developer' | 17:07 |
| RST38bis | ah, sorry | 17:07 |
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| wazd | RST38h: btw, since we have 54 more height pixels, maybe we can add some kind of proper menu? :) | 17:09 |
| RST38bis | wazd: I hoped to enable Harmattan's status bar | 17:09 |
| RST38bis | wazd: but it does not seem to be possible right now, without exposing the "navigation bar" at the same time | 17:10 |
| RST38bis | I even found the code in QtMainWindowPrivate::init() that creates the "navigation bar" but could not get to the upper hierarchical level it creates - doing something wrong, obviously | 17:10 |
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| GAN900 | SIM is living in the N900 until we get retail firmware. | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | heya qgil | 17:16 |
| qgil | hi MohammadAG | 17:17 |
| wazd | hey qgil | 17:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, will you be @ the Tverskaya Store on 21st? | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | does anyone have a weird problem where QML windows are black? | 17:22 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Occasionally. Are there any errors in your application output? | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:23 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: It usually happens (for me) when something causes the rest of the QML from being iterpreted | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | I just used anchors.margins | 17:23 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: What is the whole line? Did you try to use UiConstants? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | oh, a Flickable's "anchors" property is read only | 17:24 |
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| RST38bis | wazd: Prolly not, going to be in Greece | 17:25 |
| RST38bis | moo qgil | 17:25 |
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| RST38bis | Mohammad: On the real device, avoid using QMLViewer, it does not show qtcomponents properly | 17:26 |
| RST38bis | Mohammad: There is also a way to host QDeclarativeView inside QMainWindow, but it screws up if you have got a QMenuBar there. | 17:27 |
| GAN900 | wazd, having fun with QML yet? | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to make a label wordwrap? | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, the widget gallery had an example for that. | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, I forgot that | 17:35 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: If your label has either a width or left and right anchors you can use the "wordWrap" property | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, doesn't work for me :/ | 17:38 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: you saw that i uploaded the system-ui packages to my obs repo? | 17:42 |
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| RST38bis | fiferboy: is there an elastic layout option in QML btw? Or is it all absolute coordinates and sizes? | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: What did you set wordWrap to? | 17:44 |
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| fiferboy | RST38bis: There is a "flow" layout, but I haven't used it | 17:44 |
| RST38bis | aha, will have to check that out | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Sorry, the property is "wrapMode" | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | Try setting it to Text.Wrap | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | wrapMode: Text.Wrap | 17:46 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Are you explicitly setting a width? | 17:47 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | It doesn't know where to wrap if there is no width set | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | You can either set the width to a fixed number, to a parent component, or attach the left and right anchors to something | 17:49 |
| RST38bis | Hm, "flow" actually does not do real layouting | 17:50 |
| RST38bis | just arranges children side by side, wrapping them | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | they are attached | 17:50 |
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| RST38bis | Column/Row/Grid seem to do the layout without resorting to absolute positions though | 17:51 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I have word wrapping working with attached anchors | 17:54 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Are either of the components it is attached to floating? | 17:54 |
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| rcg1 | btw is there any search for repo.pub.meego.com to find packages? | 18:01 |
| kimju | rcg1, use search at build.pub.meego.com | 18:01 |
| rcg1 | ah, great! thanks kimju | 18:02 |
| rcg1 | too close ;) | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | how do I detect orientation changes in QML | 18:03 |
| rcg1 | onRotationChanged? | 18:05 |
| crevetor | MohammadAG: you have to create an OrientationSensor object | 18:06 |
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| MohammadAG | I see no reason for that | 18:06 |
| crevetor | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/2320158 | 18:07 |
| crevetor | I don'T know of another way to handle it in QML. | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | onRotationChanged might work | 18:07 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: If you want to set, say, a property based on the orientation you can do this: | 18:08 |
| fiferboy | width: (inPortrait) ? 10 : 100 | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | just what I wanted, thanks fiferboy | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | Otherwise, onOrientationChangeAboutToStart, onOrientationChangeStarted, onOrientationChangeFinished | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | onOrientationChangeAboutToStart works well if you want to change anchors layout based on orientation | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | ReferenceError: Can't find variable: UiConstants <-- do I need to import anything for that | 18:15 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You can't use that on the N950 (yet) | 18:15 |
| fiferboy | It needs qt components 1.1 | 18:15 |
| fiferboy | Once we have 1.1 you can use it without importing anything special | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | I compiled 1.1 from git and made it past aegis to get it on my N950 | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | what's the default margin then? | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | But it breaks package amangement | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | (as an int) | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: 0 is default, 16 is "large" | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/plugin.cpp | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | The uiConstantsData lines specify thos | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Oops, sorry default is 16 | 18:18 |
| tomma | MohammadAG, it is UIConstants.js, if you meant file with values for font etc? | 18:20 |
| fiferboy | tomma: WIth UIConstants.js you have to provide your own values | 18:21 |
| fiferboy | Going forward there will be UiConstants with the system defaults | 18:21 |
| tomma | ok | 18:21 |
| tomma | BTW CuteExplorer for harmattan! http://labs.mowhi.com/cuteexplorer/ | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | anyone used qmafw? | 18:24 |
| rm_work | i looked at it | 18:25 |
| rm_work | if you figure it out let me know | 18:25 |
| rm_work | i need to use it from Python I think | 18:25 |
| rm_work | or else, figure out what the intended way to play audio from python is | 18:25 |
| rm_work | does anyone know, BTW? | 18:26 |
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| razvanpetru | hi, is there an assert in QML or something like that? | 18:41 |
| razvanpetru | something that at least in debug would trigger a warning? | 18:42 |
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| MohammadAG | rm_work, I'm just not sure how to construct a MafwRenderer | 18:45 |
| rm_work | me either | 18:46 |
| rm_work | esp from python :P | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | or get a pointer to it | 18:46 |
| rm_work | loading C++ libs in python kinda sucks | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You can use "console.log('Message')" | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I _think_ these is console.debug too | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | console.debug exists | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, wrong person? | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Yep, reading comprehension fail :( | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | razvanpetru: ^ What I said to MohammadAG | 18:52 |
| razvanpetru | thanks fiferboy, I knew about those :) I was hoping there's something that breaks in the debugger, aborts or something | 18:53 |
| razvanpetru | I'm passing wrong parameters to JS functions and it's failing silently | 18:53 |
| razvanpetru | JS is silly like that... | 18:53 |
| razvanpetru | forget to pass a parameter and it just moves on... | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | razvanpetru: Ah, yeah. Javascript debugging is mostly trial and error I think :( | 19:00 |
| razvanpetru | why is it that when I add a QML item as a sibling to another and show it on top of it, mouse clicks fall through? | 19:02 |
| razvanpetru | if I have Page with edits and display a blank rectangle on top, I can click through to the edits... | 19:02 |
| fiferboy | razvanpetru: I think you have to add a MouseArea to the component on top and accept the click | 19:03 |
| fiferboy | If the component doesn't handle mouse events natively they pass through | 19:03 |
| razvanpetru | true, true... | 19:03 |
| razvanpetru | but if I add a button to the blank rectangle, does it still work? | 19:03 |
| razvanpetru | or does the mouse area now eat everything? | 19:03 |
| fiferboy | The mouse area would eat everything | 19:04 |
| razvanpetru | :( | 19:04 |
| fiferboy | But you can disable the mouse area when a button is showing and things will drop through again | 19:04 |
| razvanpetru | ideally, clicks would not fall through | 19:05 |
| fiferboy | razvanpetru: Although if the button is ON TOP of the mouse area it should get events | 19:05 |
| razvanpetru | on top = declared earlier than it? | 19:05 |
| razvanpetru | or with higher z... | 19:05 |
| fiferboy | I guess either, I am not exactly sure about it though | 19:05 |
| fiferboy | I guess trying it would tell you :) | 19:05 |
| razvanpetru | doing it now, but packaging take a lot on windows :| | 19:06 |
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| fiferboy | razvanpetru: "Generally, if the item acts on the mouse event then it should be accepted so that items lower in the stacking order do not also respond to the same event." | 19:08 |
| fiferboy | Looks like stacking order it is | 19:08 |
| razvanpetru | it failed when testing with declaration order, now trying z | 19:08 |
| razvanpetru | seems to work :) | 19:11 |
| razvanpetru | thanks | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyone good at reading docs? | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | No. | 19:14 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer? :P | 19:14 |
| rm_work | just a guess lol | 19:14 |
| razvanpetru | :D | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | error: cannot allocate an object of abstract type 'MafwRegistry' trying to figure out what this means | 19:17 |
| tomma | you need to implement all pure virtuals in your class | 19:18 |
| razvanpetru | I hope M doesn't stand for mixin... | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | no, I need to use MafwRegistry::instance() | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | mafw revision: N/A | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | mafw library builtime: Wed May 25 06:27:59 EEST 2011 | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | mafw-shared revision: N/A | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | mafw-shared library builtime: Mon May 9 14:21:19 EEST 2011 | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | () | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 20:19 |
| RzR | life can be tough sometimes... | 20:26 |
| frals | so you are getting a device SpeedEvil? :) | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | is qmafw-gui open? | 20:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oooh! | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess I should put some more time into UIs beyond sh+console. | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 21:43 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about QML with sh underlying it. | 21:43 | |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Trying to get OMP working on Harmattan? | 21:47 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The built-in player is nice enough, but really needs landscape support when using TV-out! | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: you can do python and qml.. :) | 21:48 |
| fiferboy | Hi Jaffa | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Much of the stuff I'm interested in is almost entirely performance irrelevant. | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, just a "quick" lyrics app | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Anybody has found out how one can do mkdir /home/user/xxx from postinst??? | 21:50 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, fiferboy | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: That could be tricky, becuase I think by default root can't write to /home/user | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: run a script at first run? or something? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: yep | 21:53 |
| RST38h | hmm | 21:53 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: Can you su to the user in postinst? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | no, tried that | 21:54 |
| RST38h | actually will try again, diffeerently | 21:54 |
| hiemanshu | script on first run makes sense too | 21:54 |
| hiemanshu | atleast a workaround for now | 21:54 |
| djszapi | that will not work | 21:54 |
| hiemanshu | and why not? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | because root does not have the mkdir capability if you run it that way ? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | or any other user ? | 21:56 |
| djszapi | Also, why not aegis-su instead of su ? | 21:57 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: what are you talking about again? | 21:57 |
| djszapi | never mind | 21:57 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: I am confused lol | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: Are there any manpages for any of the aegis tools? | 21:58 |
| djszapi | --help ? | 21:58 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: also, I am still not the member of the SDK team :) | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | K - I need to have a poke round RDA. | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: I know you're not, you stand a chance of knowing if there is documentation out tehre that I've overlooked. | 21:59 |
| djszapi | how should I know ? | 21:59 |
| djszapi | if I do not have anything to do with the SDK ? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Ok, sudo is not there, and su user will start a new shell | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm making assumptions base on best guesses, knowing you have worked on aegis. I have no idea what you know or don't know. | 22:00 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: we made a decent documentation, much better than meegotouch imho internally | 22:01 |
| djszapi | that is not my deal what is published by technical writers and the SDK team. | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | has the painting bug been fixed in future meegotouchhome packages? | 22:03 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: Also, I had a closer look at the Android security, but I think their documentation is even more sloppy. | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | android security is almost non existant imo | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | in the sense you can install any apk, but you can't run what you want | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | Hardest network reconnect of my life. | 22:06 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Batt pull? | 22:07 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: They started resembling aegis recently in few aspects :p | 22:07 |
| GAN900 | Connection cycled twice. | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | N900 | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, congrats, by the way. :P | 22:08 |
| RST38h | ok, done it through the startup script | 22:08 |
| djszapi | you mean upstart ? | 22:08 |
| hiemanshu | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-working-on-another-meego-device-tips-insider-02168896/ | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Where do I find the AID* number - I registered for developer.nokia.com some weeks ago. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | #0 0x3bb1fd28 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 | 22:13 |
| RST38h | #1 0x3bb1ff90 in gconf_client_get_default () from /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 | 22:13 |
| RST38h | #2 0x3bb1ff90 in gconf_client_get_default () from /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 | 22:13 |
| RST38h | why would it crash in gvonf??? | 22:13 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: you dont need it really, you just need the name of the account | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: inside the device sits a small midget with only one mission: to taunt you | 22:14 |
| djszapi | hehe :D | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: surely looks like this | 22:14 |
| RzR | djszapi: hi | 22:19 |
| djszapi | hello bello, how are you ? :) | 22:19 |
| * Stskeeps is still pretty happy he was able to boot his own kernel today | 22:19 | |
| djszapi | congrats =) | 22:20 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: dont rub it in our faces that we cannot a newer firmware any sooner | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :P | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | still, i wonder if it was just a fluke i wasn't able to | 22:20 |
| RzR | Stskeeps congratz, what bootloader are u using to boot it ? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | RzR: direct - there's a bug in the image bootloader you have, but when that's upgraded, it's quite smooth | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | some people will need to try to narrow down having aegis happy as a puppy though/faking everything's ok :P | 22:21 |
| djszapi | that is not really aegis anymore, just partially :) | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | what happens to Aegis when you boot your kernel? | 22:22 |
| djszapi | there is no kernel hash check ? | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | still functions to some degree, i mean, it's just another hash, but i was able to get system to boot, which is a start :P | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: so far, aegis is mostly a nuisance to me but not a showstopper | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | rest i'll leave you guys to as i don't really care too much about harmattan from a system pov :P | 22:23 |
| RST38h | But I am only an apps programmer | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | but i was able to completely rip it out of kernel, causing of course some credentials to be non-existent | 22:24 |
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| djszapi | that is not a trusted security anymore, but aegis will work further on in userspace and so on. | 22:24 |
| djszapi | fwiw | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, apt-get install meegotouch-qt-style in 5-10 minutes | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | actually apt-get update before that | 22:25 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: aye aye | 22:25 |
| RST38h | BTW, is osso-services dbis stuff still valid in harmattan? | 22:25 |
| RST38h | or should I rip it out? | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Oh - neat! | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: What happene to the device - did stuff all work? | 22:26 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: what repo are you adding it to? | 22:26 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: why not just porting the meego upstream kernel instead of having this security and other things ? | 22:27 |
| djszapi | so you could just use the upstream smack and other meego solutions. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | or do you have just a Harmattan kernel modification purpose ? | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego kernel won't have support for all of the hardware presumably. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, rzr | 22:30 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: that is why I asked the purpose :) | 22:31 |
| djszapi | RzR: the kdelibs error message is not that talkative to me. | 22:31 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah, let me know when its done | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | Hello, Meegotouch | 22:40 |
| RST38h | You are the only library that will let me show nice notifications. | 22:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: done? | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Actually....NOT. | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Cannot mix MTF and Qt widgets. What a PITA... | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: There is a system notification component in QML extras 1.1 | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: booted to dsme which is a start, but i just wanted to prove i could boot unsigned kernel, it's now a userland problem | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: we have celluar, battery, wifi, camera etc in CE, so aegis isn't really blocking that side | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | I think he's using QWidgets | 22:45 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Yes, but do I invoke it from the normal Qt code just to show a warning box? | 22:45 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: and what about the delay required to load it and all required libs? | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Ah, I forgot you were using QWidgets | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, if the delay is noticable that doesn't make sense | 22:46 |
| RST38h | I actually brought up a QtComponents page yesterday, but it is kinda heave for notifications alone | 22:46 |
| RST38h | s/heave/heavy | 22:47 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: | 22:57 |
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| frals | "Faenil (Andrea Barnabei)" <- is this someone who actually done something? | 23:10 |
| * frals is going through the extended N950 DDP thread | 23:10 | |
| MohammadAG | yes? | 23:11 |
| frals | any examples? | 23:11 |
| frals | never seen the name before :o | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | frals, see #maemo, he's begging for it | 23:12 |
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| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Hmm, I find it strange/annoying that users are signing up to recommend someone for the N950 DDP program <MohammadAG> it's like they were asked to do it | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> http://twitter.com/#!/faenil/status/98833817648889857 I wonder if there's more of this | 23:13 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/04/apple_inductive_charging_patent/ | 23:13 |
| RST38h | hm | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | frals, neither have I, but a bit of googling reveals he's begging on twitter/forums | 23:13 |
| RST38h | ah well | 23:13 |
| frals | quim replied saying its bad to do that in thread, heh | 23:14 |
| * frals is looking forward to starting vacation tomorrow afternoon | 23:14 | |
| djszapi | frals: me too :) | 23:14 |
| frals | will finally have time to do my own shit \o/ | 23:14 |
| djszapi | tomorrow afternoon :p | 23:14 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: still no mt-qt-style :P | 23:18 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: there is no aegis-su | 23:19 |
| hiemanshu | and you were asking someone to use it before? | 23:19 |
| hiemanshu | <djszapi> Also, why not aegis-su instead of su ? | 23:20 |
| djszapi | I do have aegis-su. It seems it is not targetted for the public then. | 23:20 |
| rm_work | sorry npm, got distracted | 23:20 |
| djszapi | since I do not have N950, I cannot double check it. | 23:20 |
| rm_work | think i may have fixed the build bug i had though for ffmpeg | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, OBS is stuck | 23:20 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah | 23:21 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: does it have any deps? | 23:21 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: welcome in the club :) | 23:21 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: build it on your own, and upload it somewhere? | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | devel-su? | 23:21 |
| djszapi | mmh, someone told devel-su previously, but I do not have that one. Interesting. | 23:22 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the question was to run it in postinst | 23:22 |
| djszapi | maybe they modified aegis-su or so | 23:22 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: we use devel-su | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, which one? does it have a DJ in it? | 23:22 |
| djszapi | Sorry ? | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | <djszapi> MohammadAG: welcome in the club :) | 23:24 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: lol | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, bad joke | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, I have it as a deb | 23:24 |
| djszapi | I meant c-obs getting stuck club :) | 23:24 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and it works right? | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | And you're a DJ, so yay | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, in a way | 23:24 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: had been playing in a metal band :) | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | Which instrument? | 23:25 |
| djszapi | what is the output of "devel-su -h" ? | 23:25 |
| hiemanshu | metal is too much noise :( | 23:25 |
| djszapi | hahahahaha | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, stfu | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | actually depends which type of metal you're listening to | 23:26 |
| GAN900 | frals, going anywhere? | 23:26 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: Usage: su [OPTIONS] [-] [USER] | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/meegotouch-qt-style_0.20.59-1+0m6_armel.deb | 23:26 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: heh, well I am going to attend the metallica concert in oct :) | 23:26 |
| frals | nah, not really, 2 weeks in .fi and then probably going to spend the last 1½ week home in .SE | 23:27 |
| djszapi | it is completely different to aegis-su | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, FU again, I want to go to their concert :/ | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | what's aegis-su? | 23:27 |
| frals | but will finally have time to like.. hack on random stuff :) | 23:27 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am working on getting backstage passes | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | and can you dpkg -S aegis-su? | 23:27 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: nothing, it is just for real metal heartS :) | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | -S means search, it might be in an installable package | 23:28 |
| djszapi | it seems to be an internal platform dev tool... | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG | just do dpkg -S aegis-su :P | 23:28 |
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| djszapi | oh yeah, I know what it is. Yep, it is just internal stuff | 23:30 |
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| hiemanshu_N950 | MohammadAG: communi is all beautiful now | 23:31 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | well much better atleast | 23:31 |
| djszapi | not sure why I do not have devel-su, it is still a myth :D | 23:31 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | but i have two top bars | 23:32 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | MohammadAG: patch communi to be fullscreen please | 23:33 |
| djszapi | busybox-devel-su that apt-cache search sees | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, sure | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, that's the one | 23:34 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | MohammadAG: awesome | 23:35 |
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| djszapi | well, packrat does not find devel-su.. | 23:35 |
| djszapi | not even installed on my device | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, it's from busybox-devel-su | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, I'm going hunting, for aegis-su | 23:36 |
| djszapi | so do you apply for a Nokia position to have access to that ? :) | 23:37 |
| djszapi | or you start writing a community aegis-su project :D | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | I look in places where honest mistakes might have happened :P | 23:37 |
| hiemanshu | or lazyness | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | less likely | 23:38 |
| RzR | MohammadAG: thx for uploading | 23:38 |
| djszapi | anybody coming to the Desktop Summit ? | 23:38 |
| RzR | it's building now | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | RzR, yw, can you kick OBS? it's still building it | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | ah k | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | damn, no honest mistakes | 23:39 |
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| RzR | next time please split it into .diff.gz + orig.tar.gz | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | RzR, I got it from git like that | 23:40 |
| djszapi | please do not use diff.gz | 23:40 |
| djszapi | that is a very nasty thing | 23:40 |
| djszapi | use debian 3.0 quilt format, please. | 23:40 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, it looks like QMLComponents 1.1 removed the screenshot tool from the example app :( | 23:41 |
| rm_work | T_T | 23:42 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: also, do you know shadeslayer? | 23:42 |
| djszapi | yes | 23:43 |
| fiferboy | This is a git build, so maybe it will be back in the final | 23:43 |
| djszapi | he is also a KDE developer | 23:43 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 23:43 |
| djszapi | mostly rekonq, telepathy | 23:43 |
| djszapi | frkm | 23:43 |
| djszapi | from India | 23:43 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, we are pretty good friends | 23:44 |
| djszapi | <3 rekonq | 23:44 |
| djszapi | would be all kind of brilliant to see on Harmattan | 23:44 |
| djszapi | However QtWebKit needs to switch to webkit2 first... | 23:44 |
| RzR | djszapi: why? | 23:45 |
| RzR | djszapi: yes 3.0 quilt it's better | 23:45 |
| djszapi | diff.gz as from Caesar, ancient age :) | 23:45 |
| djszapi | What do I lose on Harmattan if I do not use the components, juts QtQuick 1.1 ? | 23:46 |
| djszapi | I have just a very simple application. | 23:47 |
| djszapi | orientation change and other eye candy is not needed. | 23:47 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Components is the system look and feel to QML | 23:47 |
| fiferboy | You can do anything in QML without (AFAIK), but you have to do more work to get the application to look "nice" | 23:48 |
| djszapi | yep. I am fine with working QtQucik 1.1 pinch area and others. | 23:48 |
| djszapi | s/QtQucik/QtQuick/ | 23:48 |
| fiferboy | Then you probably don't need components | 23:48 |
| djszapi | Can I write a QML application with different look'n feel conditionally or is it a better practice to drop and write a new one for another mobile device ? | 23:49 |
| djszapi | Do you use pure QML when you use components ? | 23:50 |
| djszapi | Is there re-usable code ? | 23:50 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: If the platform supports Qt Components you can reuse your interface | 23:50 |
| fiferboy | Although you may have to take into account, for example, different resolutions | 23:51 |
| fiferboy | You can do that conditionally | 23:51 |
| djszapi | Is the Components a paid project ? | 23:52 |
| fiferboy | I'm not sure exactly, but it seems to come from within Nokia | 23:53 |
| fiferboy | It is all in git, though | 23:53 |
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| djszapi | Venemo o/ :) | 23:54 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: one year ago, I had to implement basic elements, like button, lineedit, progressindicator | 23:55 |
| djszapi | Can I eliminate anything by now ? | 23:55 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: a lot :P | 23:55 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Yeah, almost all basic elements are available in components now | 23:56 |
| djszapi | I am not sure I care about components at this point | 23:56 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi :) | 23:56 |
| Venemo | what's up | 23:56 |
| fiferboy | Some advanced ones too | 23:56 |
| djszapi | and my components are better :p | 23:56 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, pingping | 23:56 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: hey | 23:56 |
| Venemo | hey hiemanshu, how're you? (got your N950 yet?) | 23:56 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: you writing a IRC client I hear | 23:56 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: got it yes, got over it no | 23:56 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, hmm? | 23:56 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: is there any reason to not use components, just plain QML ? | 23:57 |
| Venemo | so djszapi, what was that zooming thing that you was talking about yesterday? | 23:57 |
| djszapi | pincharea | 23:57 |
| djszapi | I am not familiar with components, I object to that :) | 23:58 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: only reason would be portability | 23:58 |
| Venemo | pincharea is crap | 23:58 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: About the only thing I can think of is if it isn't available for all the platforms you are targeting | 23:58 |
| djszapi | Venemo: why so ? | 23:58 |
| Venemo | djszapi, do you remember the problem I was talking about earlier? | 23:58 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: any known and common platform where it is not available ? | 23:58 |
| hiemanshu | anyways | 23:58 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: yep, but seems implementation issue | 23:58 |
| djszapi | since it works for some pepple | 23:58 |
| djszapi | ppl* | 23:59 |
| Venemo | djszapi, well it works for one purpose, but doesn't work if you want to use it the way I want to. | 23:59 |
| Venemo | it would have taken them a if (event->touchPoints().count() < 2) event->reject() | 23:59 |
| djszapi | it does not mean it is crap, does it ? :) | 23:59 |
| djszapi | it is just for different purpose then. | 23:59 |
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