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| zeth | Hello | 21:27 |
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| tibs_cambridge | Hi there - does that mean the meeting is here? | 21:27 |
| zeth | Yes it is | 21:28 |
| zeth | the most important people are here already! | 21:28 |
| tibs_cambridge | OK. I may have to disappear sporadically as family things happen in the background. | 21:28 |
| zeth | me too | 21:28 |
| zeth | My wife had a our first baby on sunday | 21:29 |
| zeth | so it is chaos here | 21:29 |
| zeth | good chaos | 21:29 |
| tibs_cambridge | Oh! Congratulations - hope they're both well | 21:29 |
| tibs_cambridge | (and you're not too tired!) | 21:29 |
| zeth | they are well and we are knackered | 21:30 |
| ejs | Hi there | 21:30 |
| zeth | Hi! | 21:30 |
| tibs_cambridge | Hi | 21:30 |
| ejs | congratulations zeth | 21:30 |
| zeth | thanks | 21:30 |
| ejs | We will be at least one person 'short' - simon sends his apologies | 21:31 |
| zeth | lets wait for five minutes | 21:31 |
| zeth | to allow any one else to come | 21:31 |
| zeth | if that is alright? | 21:31 |
| ejs | fine by me | 21:32 |
| tibs_cambridge | Sounds sensible | 21:32 |
| tibs_cambridge | I hadn't (I'm afraid) thought to see if anyone else from Cambridge was planning to attend | 21:32 |
| ejs | YPy had a meeting Thursday, it came up there. | 21:33 |
| tibs_cambridge | VPy? | 21:33 |
| ejs | Peter (qwertyface) plans to | 21:33 |
| zeth | Y = Yorkshire | 21:33 |
| ejs | Yorkshire (really Leeds) Python | 21:33 |
| tibs_cambridge | Ah - sorry - font problems (hmm, must be fixable) | 21:33 |
| ejs | New people there, but not the one from the python-uk list | 21:34 |
| zeth | so I hope my mate steve can come on | 21:35 |
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| Hawkz | hi | 21:36 |
| ejs | hi | 21:36 |
| tibs_cambridge | Hi there | 21:36 |
| zeth | then hi | 21:37 |
| zeth | great | 21:37 |
| zeth | so I wrote an epistle on the list | 21:37 |
| zeth | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/2010-August/001906.html | 21:37 |
| zeth | thanks to anyone who had time to plough through it | 21:37 |
| zeth | I hope it explains the state of play | 21:37 |
| ejs | From what I remember it all looked good | 21:38 |
| zeth | So the first item we should do, since people tend to have to leave | 21:38 |
| zeth | is to decide if we are having another meeting | 21:38 |
| zeth | in the future | 21:38 |
| zeth | and if so when | 21:38 |
| zeth | is this time of day and week good for people? If you have another chat in a month?> | 21:39 |
| ejs | This works well for me | 21:39 |
| tibs_cambridge | It does sound like a good idea to meet, and a weekday is better than weekend. | 21:39 |
| tibs_cambridge | Tuesday is probably as good as any (I think), so long as it's not the first Tuesday! | 21:39 |
| zeth | well it would be bad to clash with a python group meeting | 21:40 |
| zeth | that is happening anywhere in the UK | 21:40 |
| ejs | YPy is on a Thursday so that's not a problem here | 21:40 |
| zeth | so we pencil in 21st september? | 21:41 |
| zeth | so shall we pencil in 21st september? | 21:41 |
| zeth | and then change it nearer the time if it is a problem for anyone | 21:41 |
| ejs | that looks great for me | 21:41 |
| zeth | so | 21:42 |
| zeth | we didn't finish the site system yet, my fault | 21:42 |
| tibs_cambridge | <sorry - away for a moment> yes, that's good in principle | 21:43 |
| zeth | I didn't write the code yet | 21:43 |
| zeth | but we did make a provisional list of mascots! | 21:43 |
| tibs_cambridge | erm - you've had a good excuse | 21:43 |
| zeth | yep cheers | 21:43 |
| Hawkz | mascot/colour scheme list, check | 21:43 |
| zeth | which Hawkz will turn into nice graphics | 21:43 |
| zeth | Since we have some people here from groups | 21:43 |
| zeth | maybe you can suggest better | 21:44 |
| zeth | YPy - Yorkshire and Humber Python User Group | 21:44 |
| zeth | Mascot: Owl (with a white rose in its mouth or in the background) | 21:44 |
| zeth | Cambridge and East Anglia | 21:44 |
| zeth | Mascot: Deer (or Turkey) | 21:44 |
| zeth | We have a complete list | 21:44 |
| ejs | the owl sounds good | 21:44 |
| tibs_cambridge | I'm not quite sure about mascots, and would want to discuss it with other people locally! | 21:45 |
| zeth | I think at europython that owl represents leeds or something | 21:45 |
| tibs_cambridge | - much as we discussed when the current group logo was being designed. | 21:45 |
| zeth | I think at europython, someone said that owl represents leeds or something | 21:45 |
| tibs_cambridge | Why do we need mascots as such? | 21:45 |
| zeth | Ah you have a logo cool | 21:45 |
| ejs | it does seem to be around the city alot | 21:45 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: You don't | 21:46 |
| zeth | you have a fine logo | 21:46 |
| zeth | we were just branding the groups as a default action | 21:46 |
| zeth | since most of the groups do not actually have active members (yet) | 21:46 |
| tibs_cambridge | Ah - are you also distinguishing the region from the local group (as in your document)> | 21:47 |
| zeth | yes | 21:47 |
| zeth | well it depends on the local groups and the region of course | 21:47 |
| tibs_cambridge | OK - I see (sorry, I haven't got the hang of the asynchronous nature of discussion yet, and there doesn't seem to be any way of telling someone is typing, at least on this client...) | 21:47 |
| zeth | so the West Midlands has Birmingham at its center, so everyone could get there | 21:47 |
| zeth | but say the example of East Anglia | 21:48 |
| zeth | Cambridge and Norwich are quite far from each other | 21:48 |
| zeth | so each region would presumably do its own thing | 21:48 |
| tibs_cambridge | Yes, we had grand hopes at one time, but there's no real way that someone from towards the coast would get to Cambridge regularly | 21:48 |
| ejs | And Yorkshire is just two large for "central" to work - I think we already have two email lists | 21:48 |
| zeth | The python.me.uk website will try to represent all activity within the region | 21:49 |
| zeth | so take London for example, there are four different groups claiming to be python groups | 21:49 |
| zeth | The mascot and branding on that level of the site represents the region | 21:49 |
| zeth | which may or may not represent the groups | 21:50 |
| zeth | is it okay? | 21:50 |
| tibs_cambridge | That all sounds sensible. I've no idea (in that respect) what a good mascot for East Anglia is - something that likes fens! | 21:50 |
| zeth | So for example tibs_cambridge might be the person who is the contact for Cambridge and East Anglia | 21:50 |
| zeth | but there could be layers below that over time | 21:51 |
| zeth | one of which is cambridge | 21:51 |
| zeth | there might be other ones | 21:51 |
| zeth | so our scheme hopefully will handle a bit of growth and decline | 21:52 |
| ejs | Sounds good | 21:52 |
| tibs_cambridge | Yes, sounds very sensible | 21:52 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: maybe you could think about what represents cambridge and east anglia :-) | 21:52 |
| tibs_cambridge | (and at that level, someone central suggesting logos makes much sense) | 21:52 |
| zeth | Deers and Turkeys might be too Norfolk | 21:52 |
| tibs_cambridge | But Norfolk is big(!) | 21:53 |
| zeth | (I was born in Norfolk) | 21:53 |
| tibs_cambridge | (and mountjack deer even appear in the city gardens here occasionally) | 21:53 |
| tibs_cambridge | As I say, decide centrally and we can always change it later on... | 21:54 |
| zeth | so the website is still ongoing | 21:54 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: exactly | 21:54 |
| zeth | Next topic | 21:54 |
| zeth | talk swaps | 21:54 |
| tibs_cambridge | This addresses one of the things I find scariest | 21:54 |
| zeth | I have not done much about this either, except start to write a proposal for the PSF | 21:54 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: I stop writing and allow you to explain what you mean | 21:55 |
| ejs | tibs - scariest ? | 21:55 |
| zeth | (if you want) | 21:55 |
| tibs_cambridge | It's easy(ish) finding local speakers, but organising someone from elsewhere is a lot more complex, and help would be good. | 21:55 |
| tibs_cambridge | (explaining further) | 21:55 |
| zeth | cool | 21:55 |
| zeth | yes me too | 21:55 |
| ejs | right | 21:56 |
| tibs_cambridge | Having an external speaker means worrying about their travel, maybe accomodation, whether they will want to speak on a different day than the group normally meets... | 21:56 |
| tibs_cambridge | and even whether "enough" people will turn up (especially if it is a different day) | 21:56 |
| tibs_cambridge | <that's basically it, I think> - most of this is what Zeth mentioned in his document. | 21:57 |
| zeth | So the current proposal is that the PSF might like to fund the travel. In return, we provide the venue, a sofa-bed for the person to sleep on and a meal. | 21:57 |
| zeth | So we are matching their funding with something of an equal value | 21:57 |
| tibs_cambridge | Certainly in Cambridge I don't think funding a meal would be a problem, and our family can offer accomodation (for instance) if the person doesn't mind kids (!) | 21:58 |
| zeth | perfect | 21:58 |
| zeth | so we are not talking about executive speaker type thing | 21:58 |
| zeth | we are talking about volunteers | 21:58 |
| ejs | There area a couple of YPy members that can offer a room and a meal should be easy | 21:58 |
| tibs_cambridge | I think all of the most interesting speakers we're likely to want are also likely to be volunteers | 21:59 |
| zeth | exactly | 21:59 |
| tibs_cambridge | (I'd go for having fuzzyman speak locally about just about anything, for instance) | 21:59 |
| zeth | yep | 21:59 |
| ejs | ditto | 21:59 |
| zeth | there are probably lots of people that we have heard at national meetings that would be good to ask | 22:00 |
| tibs_cambridge | Having travel funded, and that funding organised locally, would take away a lot of strain. | 22:00 |
| tibs_cambridge | And a pool of volunteers to trundle around the country (!) would also be good... | 22:01 |
| zeth | also I like the idea that ordinary members who have given a talk at their local group can then give it at another group | 22:01 |
| zeth | they do not have to be anyone famous | 22:01 |
| zeth | just a normal member | 22:01 |
| ejs | Yeah - this talk was great, anyone else want to hear it | 22:01 |
| zeth | exactly | 22:01 |
| tibs_cambridge | Yes, there's at least one person locally (who unfortunately could probably not do it because of family commitments) who I think would be excellent | 22:02 |
| zeth | so for 50 train ticket, a home cooked meal and a bed for the night, you can get quite far within the UK | 22:02 |
| Hawkz | could we utilise ustream etc more? record planned talks for local user groups then upload to the site/livecast fir other groups, like a distrubuted europython? we have cameras etc, and one video/upload is easier to arrange than several | 22:02 |
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| zeth | you won't get from John o groats to lands end | 22:03 |
| zeth | but you would get a group or two across | 22:03 |
| zeth | talk of the devil | 22:03 |
| tibs_cambridge | But people may not want to travel that far for a group meeting, anyway | 22:03 |
| zeth | hello voidspace | 22:03 |
| voidspace | hello | 22:03 |
| voidspace | in Romania | 22:03 |
| zeth | wow cool | 22:03 |
| ejs | hi voidspace | 22:03 |
| tibs_cambridge | Hello there | 22:03 |
| voidspace | hey | 22:04 |
| voidspace | hi | 22:04 |
| voidspace | \ | 22:04 |
| voidspace | surprised | 22:04 |
| zeth | We were talking about different speakers one might like to invite to their local group | 22:04 |
| voidspace | bah - sorry | 22:04 |
| voidspace | surprised to find people in this channel | 22:04 |
| voidspace | heh | 22:04 |
| zeth | it is group leaders of local python groups | 22:04 |
| zeth | sharing notes | 22:04 |
| voidspace | I don't have a local group really | 22:04 |
| voidspace | cambridge and london are closest | 22:04 |
| tibs_cambridge | stealing the space while people aren't looking... | 22:04 |
| voidspace | both too far for me | 22:04 |
| voidspace | wife is stealing the laptop | 22:05 |
| zeth | voidspace: okay nice to see you | 22:05 |
| voidspace | to look for cottages in the mountains | 22:05 |
| voidspace | :-) | 22:05 |
| zeth | voidspace: have fun in romaina | 22:05 |
| voidspace | back in ten minutes or so | 22:05 |
| voidspace | thanks | 22:05 |
| tibs_cambridge | How do other people think about external speakers being at normal (weekday evening) meetings? Does that scale? | 22:06 |
| zeth | it depends on the person | 22:06 |
| tibs_cambridge | Is getting to a meeting in another city for (eg) 7.30, and getting food in before that, sensible for speakers? | 22:06 |
| zeth | Someone like me (well at other times than when we have just had a baby) would be able to do such a journey | 22:07 |
| zeth | but then I am on flexitime | 22:07 |
| zeth | and have an employer that likes me to go to places to give talks | 22:07 |
| tibs_cambridge | (me too, although there's never enough of it!) | 22:07 |
| ejs | Well it works for me :) (1 hours travel by train to the meetings) - but again my work is flexable | 22:07 |
| zeth | so I think we can just suck that one and see | 22:07 |
| tibs_cambridge | OK, so it's a small sample, but it sounds like it's workable to try. Good | 22:08 |
| zeth | I mean, we can just try it out and find out what works best | 22:08 |
| ejs | and if enough people can't do it then local groups can discuss the occasional weekend meeting | 22:08 |
| zeth | doing an ocassional meeting on a different night might result in engaging more people | 22:09 |
| zeth | as someone who couldn't make the weekday evening meeting might come along | 22:09 |
| zeth | so you lose some people and gain others | 22:09 |
| ejs | We've been disucssing doing the occasional weekend meeting anyway for that reason | 22:09 |
| tibs_cambridge | yes, I guess I'm just a natural pessimist | 22:09 |
| tibs_cambridge | On the other hand, unconference style events seem like fun (based only on the B'ham one last year) | 22:10 |
| tibs_cambridge | and they don't take much organising above the space, and a promise of some attendees | 22:10 |
| zeth | yes | 22:10 |
| zeth | so I was thinking of asking the PSF for the right to claim up to 1000 in expenses per year | 22:10 |
| zeth | it would give us enough to grow into | 22:10 |
| zeth | we don't have to spend it of course | 22:11 |
| zeth | but to the PSF it might not be such a large number | 22:11 |
| zeth | considering the benefits they would get | 22:11 |
| tibs_cambridge | It does sound right up their street | 22:11 |
| zeth | (stronger local groups, more python advocacy, etc) | 22:11 |
| zeth | so 1000 would be up to 20 events | 22:11 |
| zeth | which would be loads | 22:12 |
| zeth | and we are matching funding with equivalent value | 22:12 |
| ejs | yeah loads, particularly while we are getting things worked out | 22:12 |
| zeth | (bed for the night, room for the venue, meal etc) | 22:12 |
| tibs_cambridge | Indeed | 22:12 |
| zeth | That is all I had on the agenda | 22:13 |
| tibs_cambridge | Should we establish a page (or something) somewhere where people can suggest spearkers they'd want? | 22:13 |
| zeth | good idea | 22:13 |
| ejs | and the reverse - somewhere for people to list talks they have ready | 22:14 |
| zeth | yes | 22:14 |
| zeth | that would be very valuable | 22:14 |
| tibs_cambridge | True | 22:14 |
| zeth | it might be something we can also enchance automatically | 22:14 |
| zeth | because hopefully the python.me.uk should have all previous events in its database | 22:15 |
| tibs_cambridge | Ah - yes | 22:15 |
| zeth | rate the speaker might be a bit overkill though! | 22:15 |
| tibs_cambridge | I keep meaning to start writing up our meetings again (who spoke on what), and really must do so again - this may make me restart | 22:15 |
| zeth | cool | 22:15 |
| tibs_cambridge | Rating is awkward - as someone who spoke (first time) at EP2010, it's very scary, and one is never sure how well one did, either way! | 22:16 |
| zeth | So I have brought up everything I have for this month | 22:16 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: exactly | 22:16 |
| tibs_cambridge | Sounds good. | 22:16 |
| ejs | we really need to do some level of organising beyond (did anyone turn up with a talk), this would be a good prompter | 22:16 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: and the way to become a good speaker is to speak more | 22:16 |
| tibs_cambridge | (I know, and there's a perverted fun to it) | 22:16 |
| Hawkz | maybe we could incorporate this into the upcoming events on pinax - guest speaks to boost interest? | 22:17 |
| tibs_cambridge | In my previous notes-on-meetings, I've listed forenames of attendees - this seemed like a compromise on identity | 22:17 |
| zeth | Exactly I hope that the regional organiser will add an event into the python.me.uk calander, then we can do all sorts of fun things with it | 22:17 |
| tibs_cambridge | Yes, announcing guest speakers widely would be good. | 22:17 |
| tibs_cambridge | (aagh - another place to remmeber to announce meetings) | 22:18 |
| tibs_cambridge | (note to self: must write a script...) | 22:18 |
| ejs | For us one would be a start | 22:18 |
| ejs | We're araning putting someone in charge of that at the next meeting | 22:18 |
| zeth | well I am hoping to make the python.me.uk website automatically spam twitter and facebook and other places | 22:18 |
| zeth | so you put the event into a form once | 22:18 |
| zeth | and it is automatically promoted in various places | 22:18 |
| tibs_cambridge | That would be very cool. | 22:18 |
| tibs_cambridge | Including the UK Python list, of course... | 22:19 |
| zeth | yes good idea | 22:19 |
| tibs_cambridge | (speaking of which, will you announce next month's IRC meeting a few days beforehand?) | 22:19 |
| zeth | Yes good idea | 22:19 |
| zeth | I was planning on this time | 22:19 |
| zeth | but I forgot | 22:19 |
| tibs_cambridge | erm - good excuses again! | 22:19 |
| zeth | and was spending a lot of time in a hospital | 22:19 |
| zeth | so has anyone got any other topics? I am being told by my wife I have five more minutes | 22:20 |
| ejs | Hopefully less than my boss - 3 days in labour | 22:20 |
| tibs_cambridge | Will you summarise or put up the log of this somewhere central? | 22:20 |
| zeth | sure | 22:20 |
| tibs_cambridge | (I'm afraid I'm not volunteering) | 22:21 |
| zeth | Shall I summarise it and spam it to the python uk list? | 22:21 |
| ejs | I think we've covered everything - and added to zeths workload | 22:21 |
| zeth | it is all good | 22:21 |
| tibs_cambridge | Oh - one more thing - we do keep thinking of sprinting locally, and that's another thing that help with might be useful. But that's for another time... | 22:21 |
| zeth | We are not organising EuroPython! | 22:21 |
| tibs_cambridge | (!!!!!) | 22:21 |
| tibs_cambridge | Thanks for organising this - I think it could be valuable for the "keeping one another encouraged" angle alone. | 22:22 |
| zeth | We are not organising EuroPython! So the python.me.uk and local groups does not seem much work | 22:22 |
| tibs_cambridge | I think organising two EPs was enough for anyone... | 22:22 |
| ejs | Thanks for all the work you're putting into this Zeth | 22:22 |
| tibs_cambridge | Yes, definitely. | 22:22 |
| ejs | particularly after EP and a baby | 22:22 |
| zeth | thanks for coming to this meeting | 22:23 |
| zeth | and we can chat again in september, when hopefully these things would have progressed a bit further | 22:23 |
| tibs_cambridge | And we'll have had our next local meeting, too | 22:23 |
| ejs | and things can be organised a bit better locally (at least here) | 22:24 |
| tibs_cambridge | I shall mention this meta-group | 22:24 |
| zeth | Just the fact that organisers from the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Cambridge have had an IRC meeting is a big step forward | 22:24 |
| Hawkz | cool | 22:24 |
| zeth | tibs_cambridge: yes you can | 22:24 |
| tibs_cambridge | Heh, my first time on IRC | 22:24 |
| ejs | Most of my group know about this - but I'll bring up what was discussed with them | 22:24 |
| zeth | Hopefully by next month we will have logins for you | 22:25 |
| ejs | Yeah, good to have some group talking together and planning to do it regularly | 22:25 |
| zeth | and Hawkz would have made us an OWL :) | 22:25 |
| Hawkz | is there anyone i need to work with on that front, front that group? | 22:26 |
| zeth | well ejs is from Yorkshire | 22:26 |
| zeth | and tibs_cambridge from cambridge | 22:26 |
| ejs | Yeah, I think as I turned up I'm the yorkshire volunteer | 22:27 |
| zeth | but I think behind the design, most of the features the python.me.uk offers should be the same | 22:27 |
| zeth | yeah | 22:27 |
| zeth | I think if we can get three themes done | 22:27 |
| zeth | that would be amazing | 22:27 |
| tibs_cambridge | True | 22:27 |
| zeth | i.e. with content in as well | 22:27 |
| tibs_cambridge | And I promise not to grumble about our votive animal, whatever it be | 22:27 |
| zeth | well if Hawkz has not made one yet, I think you can pick | 22:28 |
| tibs_cambridge | and filling in content the first time I'm good at (it's maintaining it that's harder) | 22:28 |
| ejs | Yeah. When it's up I'll set up what I can for Yorkshire | 22:28 |
| zeth | cheers | 22:28 |
| ejs | and then get someone else to do upkeep | 22:28 |
| zeth | We will give you a login when we are ready | 22:28 |
| zeth | might be sometime later in the month though | 22:28 |
| zeth | depending on how quick these baby things sleep | 22:29 |
| zeth | :) | 22:29 |
| ejs | From what I've heard not that much | 22:29 |
| tibs_cambridge | It depends on the baby - we had one of each | 22:29 |
| zeth | Got to go now | 22:29 |
| tibs_cambridge | Thanks again; bye | 22:29 |
| ejs | Thanks again zeth | 22:29 |
| zeth | I have to change a nappy | 22:29 |
| zeth | catch you all later | 22:29 |
| Hawkz | thanks zeth! legend! | 22:30 |
| tibs_cambridge | Oh, the fun you have to look forward to! | 22:30 |
| ejs | ewwwww | 22:30 |
| ejs | well that was more productive than most of my work meetings :) | 22:30 |
| tibs_cambridge | Certainly than some I've had sometimes. | 22:32 |
| tibs_cambridge | Bye then. | 22:32 |
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