IRC log of #europython for Thursday, 2010-07-15

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ThomasWaldmannis it really only 20..23 degrees celsius these days in birmingham?11:42
ThomasWaldmannin sw germany, we currently have > 35 deg.11:43
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aa_ThomasWaldmann: hah, *only*12:46
aa_ThomasWaldmann: so, you will be in europy?12:46
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ThomasWaldmannaa_: how much at your place?12:49
ThomasWaldmannyes, I'll be there12:49
aa_ThomasWaldmann: it's pouring with rain all over england today12:49
aa_ThomasWaldmann: cool, any moin-related activities?12:49
ThomasWaldmannwe have 10y anniversary and sprints, see http://moinmo.in/EuroPython201012:50
aa_haha, that's so cool 10 years!12:51
ThomasWaldmannmaybe also some informal moin talking and status update12:51
aa_ThomasWaldmann: get some good advertising, I am sure most people don't know that moin is so nice these days12:51
ThomasWaldmannyou mean what we work on in moin2?12:52
aa_yes12:52
aa_ThomasWaldmann: I am a long time python dev, and until chatting to you relatively recently, I had no idea moin had improved since 2004 when I last used it12:53
aa_(ok that is just an anecdotal evidence, but still, i am sure I am not alone)12:53
ThomasWaldmannwhat kind of "advertising" do you think of?12:54
aa_ThomasWaldmann: the best advertising, showing people how awesome moin is12:54
aa_ThomasWaldmann: at least do a lightning talk of status updates12:55
ThomasWaldmannok, I'll try12:55
aa_or maybe "Why you should have a look at Moin these days"12:56
ThomasWaldmann... as a python developer :)12:56
aa_right, that's more poignant12:56
ThomasWaldmannnot so much as a end-user wanting to use moin2 in production :D12:56
_dboddieThe "State of the Moin" address by ThomasWaldmann.13:37
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ThomasWaldmannhrhr13:58
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* _dboddie had almost forgotten about the IRC meeting today.18:28
* paul_boddie will probably return home for the meeting.18:30
zethHi all19:03
zethI am trying to remember it19:03
zethBrain is a bit leaky at the mo19:03
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zethHello all19:51
Joe202hi zeth19:54
zethHow are you?19:58
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moreatiWhoops, I just joined #<my password>20:00
_dboddieYour password is "europython"? ;-)20:01
moreatinope it was paremptive20:01
Joe202zeth: Well, thanks. Last day of being a teacher tomorrow. You OK?20:01
moreatiWho are we waiting for?20:04
zethJoe202: what are you going to be afterwards? Do you know already or are you going to take a break?20:04
zethHello moreati!20:04
Joe202zeth: Working for Nationwide BS20:05
zethoh right20:05
zethwhat as?20:06
zetha programmer?20:06
moreatizeth, evenin20:06
zethor as a banker?20:06
zeth(are building society people still called bankers?)20:06
Joe202zeth: Mixture, more programmer, but with a finance slant.20:06
zethcool20:07
zethI am still working for University of Birmingham20:07
zeththings are going well20:07
zethbut I have gone from being part-timer to full timer20:07
zethso adjustment in my own life20:07
Joe202I've been teaching part-time this year, with the rest looking for new job20:08
zethYou didn't like teaching?20:08
Joe2025 years was enough20:10
_dboddieLooks like there's an agenda for today: http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingAgenda2010071520:10
zethWhat ages were you teaching?20:10
Joe20211 to 1820:11
Joe202Maths20:11
moreatiLooks like no one else is appearing,shall we begin?20:11
zethJoe202: Any horror story you can share while we are waiting for the others to drift i?20:11
zethmoreati: no pinner?20:11
Joe202zeth: No pinner!20:12
Joe202Are you thinking of teaching at some stage?20:12
moreatihe's not joining us20:12
zethmoreati: okay20:13
paul_boddieAs long as we can reasonably answer some of the questions on the agenda, he doesn't need to be here.20:13
zethJoe202: not teenagers no20:13
zethJoe202: maybe Uni students20:13
moreatiI think I can cover most20:13
zethmoreati + (years * n) == pinner20:13
Joe202zeth: I've also taught adults a bit - much saner, they*want* to be there.20:13
moreati#startmeeting20:14
zethPRESENT20:14
Joe202PRESENT20:14
moreatiPRESENT20:14
moreatiTOPIC Apologies20:14
paul_boddiePRESENT20:15
moreatiRichardTaylor and pinner sent theies20:15
moreati*theirs20:15
moreatiTOPIC Talks and Scheduling20:15
moreatiThe only pending change of which I'm aware is removal of Jasper Spaans' talk20:16
moreatiAny others?20:16
zethnone from me20:16
Joe202nor me20:16
moreatiACTION Okay,I'll remove Jasper this evening and make sure some A3 timetables are printed20:17
_dboddiePRESENT20:17
moreatiJohnathon Hartley has already sent emails asking for tutorial tutees to put their name against tutorials20:18
moreatiAnything else on scheduling?20:18
fuzzymanPRESENT20:19
fuzzymanbut actually absent for another few minutes... sorry - brb :-(20:19
Joe202i don't think I got an email as a tutorial attendee - he has blogged though20:19
moreatiJoe202, it would have been today with the subject "EuroPython tutorial attendees : please sign up for your tutorials"20:20
zethDo we have a printed book this year?20:20
moreatiThe same instructions as the blog post, please add your name to the wiki page of the tutorial you'll attend20:20
zethOr do delegates read the abstracrs online?20:21
zethOr do delegates read the abstracts online?20:21
moreatizeth, I don't think so, online only20:21
zethcool20:21
paul_boddieUnless Yusdi and John sorted something out, I know nothing of a printed booklet.20:21
zethmore flexible anyway20:21
zethless trees wasted also20:21
moreatiTOPIC Sponsorship20:22
Joe202Yes, did get one, sorry.20:22
moreatiWe've got all the sponsors we're going to get, we must now make sure they pay us.20:22
moreatiAnything else on this?20:23
_dboddieI've tried to get Nokia to sponsor us, but I need to talk to John to get further, I think.20:23
_dboddieI'm assuming that Richard has the signage sponsorship in hand.20:23
moreati_dboddie, please do so tommorrow morning20:23
_dboddiemoreati: OK.20:23
moreatiACTION _dboddie to talk with pinner regarding Nokia sponsorship20:24
moreatiTOPIC Registration20:24
Joe202_dboddie: Signage should be sorted.20:24
moreatiWe have 380 attendees, and at this point we'll probably leave the registration page open and use it for those registering at the oor20:26
moreati*door20:26
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zethmoreati: are we going to block hotels on it?20:26
_dboddiemoreati: Sounds like a lot of late registrations.20:26
paul_boddieI guess the only impact of leaving it open is on things like numbers for catering, conference dinner, and related planning stuff.20:27
moreatizeth, hotel registrations has closed20:27
zethgrand20:27
zeththanks moreati20:27
moreatizeth, john did it20:27
zethpaul_boddie: a significant minority of people don't turn up for conference dinner anyway, so extras won't be big problem I think20:28
zethas long as they eat normal foods20:28
moreatipaul_boddie, yes, we can't guarantee late registrants a t-shirt or dinner place20:28
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moreatiAnyhting else on this topic?20:28
moreatiHi contrary Mary20:29
zeth5-10% of people go to bed early, go out somewhere or have gone home already by the time of the dinner20:29
contraryHi sorry I am late.20:29
zeththere is always the odd empty seat20:29
moreaticontrary, np20:29
moreatiTOPIC Accomodation20:29
moreatiHotel bookings have no been closed, and deposits to the hotels sent. All delegates who've not already booked a hotel room must make their own arrangements20:30
moreatiIf asked, please direct people to the hotel list20:30
moreatihttp://www.europython.eu/about/accommodation/20:31
paul_boddieI mentioned this in the blog post about late registration.20:31
moreatiand the map http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104670010414967360724.0004394ea19c66425808f&om=1&ll=52.477057,-1.906376&spn=0.011301,0.018029&source=embed20:31
moreatipaul_boddie, brill20:31
moreatiI'll also tweet it20:31
moreatiACTION moreati to publicise hotels list for last minute bookers20:32
moreatiAnything else on accomodation? Also poke me if I'm going too fast/slow20:32
zethall good, next20:33
fuzzymanhello all20:34
fuzzymanreally sorry I'm so late20:35
moreatiTOPIC Socials20:35
zethhi fuzzyman20:35
contraryZeth, Jutta, Sheila and yours truly did a browse around the Mailboox and they have lots of eating drinking places20:35
moreatiApart from the conference dinner, and Mary's partners programme, we've not yet organised anything20:35
zethWell I think for sat, there are few people so we can do something easier20:36
zethi.e. go to the mailbox as contrary suggests20:36
zethsunday we want something drop-in-able20:36
Joe202http://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/ has been suggested - looks good to me20:36
zethJoe202: has no food20:36
moreatizeth could you ask the walkabout bar for Mon eve20:36
contraryneed food20:36
zethmoreati: yep20:36
Joe202OK20:36
contraryare there any wetherspoons around20:36
moreatiJoe202, wellington will be good for Sat, bar the food20:37
zethWe could go to the burger place beforehand20:37
moreaticontrary, yes on Broad Street.20:37
Joe202After food?20:37
zethor similar20:37
contraryi bet you have vouchers again zeth!20:37
zethOn Sunday, we should go for the pub food20:37
zethcontrary: I have two20:37
moreatiKeep in mind capacity, we'll have >200 in tow from Mon onwards20:37
moreatiACTION Zeth to contact walkabout pub20:38
zethOn sunday we will have two groups, the tutorial people and people who are arriving at any time. A pub would be good for this20:38
Joe202Wo't people self-organise to some edxtent?20:38
moreatiJoe202, to some extent yes20:38
zethJoe202: you haven't seen our delegates then :)20:38
contraryOrganise - Europython Delegates - oxymoron20:38
paul_boddieUsually, people split into smaller groups towards the end, but it's different at the start.20:38
zethOn Sunday, bar food, people can order their own from the bar20:38
zethwhen they arrive20:39
contraryNeed to pick a pub then20:39
moreaticontrary, hence my walkabout suggestion20:39
Joe202Local knowledge useful here ...20:39
zethwell lets save the walkabout for mon20:39
zethif they are free of course20:39
moreatisorry , confused myself20:39
paul_boddieWalkabout didn't seem that great last year, but maybe my elevated tastes are different from everybody else's. ;-)20:40
fuzzymannot brilliant but adequate20:40
zethpaul_boddie: that is true, but they have a basement you can book for free20:40
zethit is a non-hassle option for us20:40
zethif it is sunny people can go onto the balcony20:40
moreatipaul_boddie, it's one step up from McDonalds, but it has the capacity20:40
paul_boddieI'll probably be on the PSF track on Monday, anyway.20:40
zethoh yeah20:40
zethgood point20:40
paul_boddieDon't know if I should have mentioned that. ;-)20:41
moreatipaul_boddie, at 8pm?20:41
zethwhat time is the PSF starting and ending?20:41
zethmost people here are PSF20:41
zethand it is not a secret20:41
paul_boddieThere's a meeting after the conference hours plus possible pub/restaurant activity.20:41
zeth19pm20:42
zethsorry20:42
zeth19:0020:42
zeththe PSF can join the non-PSF afterwards?20:42
zethmoreati: any idea how long we have the BMI booked for?20:43
moreatizeth, on the Sunday. We don't AFAIK20:43
zethBMI is for monday20:44
zethfor the PSF meeting20:44
zeth?20:44
zethI thought we had BMI at 7pm for PSF20:44
fuzzymanthe PSF meeting is on monday right20:44
moreatizeth, that one passed me by20:44
fuzzymanso is anything booked for sunday evening? I didn't think so20:44
moreatinothing is booked for Sunday evening.20:45
fuzzymanright20:45
zethSo I think the BMI we have the whole evening20:45
zethand the BMI might have a bar20:45
zethso maybe the PSF people won't leave20:45
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zethSo the way i see it shaping up is20:46
zethSat we go for burger or something then real ale20:46
fuzzymanwhat time?20:46
zethSun some pub/weatherspoons were people can turn up at ay time20:46
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zethMonday is walkabout20:46
contrarySunday perhaps a pub near to Zeths favourite burger bar20:47
zethnot favourite20:48
zethI just like it because I always seem to eat free20:48
fuzzymanhah20:48
moreatizeth sounds good20:48
zethso20:49
zethlet me back up a sec20:49
zethwed is the dinner20:49
moreatiyes20:49
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zethSunday needs to be somewhere that people can drop in20:50
zeththe walkabout might be better for sun20:50
zethwhat's the nearest pub food type place to the etap?20:50
contraryAnd once a decision is made it can be blogged, tweeted and put on the A3 FAQ sheets20:50
moreatizeth, we don't want to use the walkabout on sun because it was the larger capacity.20:50
contraryI think they are asian restaurants, from memory20:51
moreatiFor Sun we could use something on Brindley Pl or Wotsit's Hill20:51
moreatiBennetts Hill20:51
contrarygood idea moreati20:51
zethNo way to Bennets Hill20:51
Alex__Hello, sorry being late.. Just wanted to come to see if you still needed volunteers20:51
zeththe walkabout might be better for sunes20:51
zethopps20:51
zethpressed up button20:51
zethAlex__: yes we do20:52
zethBennetts still haunts me20:52
zethhow about20:52
zethon sunday20:52
zethwe just go to the weatherspoons next to the Hippodrome20:52
moreatiYou mean in Paradise Forum?20:52
Alex__We will arrive sunday and be there till Sunday, so you can count on me for whichever tasks you have left. No special preference20:52
contrarythe beauty of wetherspoons is the beer is cheaper and they have a standard meat and veg'n menu20:53
zeththe problem20:53
contrarywhat is the problem?20:53
paul_boddieAlex__: they're all discussing very local stuff at the moment, like where to eat and drink. :-/20:54
moreatizeth, just book the Walkabout for Mon. We'll decide Sat and Sun with the tutees over the weekend20:54
zethis that people i the real world are talking at me at the same time20:54
zethso the weatherspoons can get busy20:54
contraryhi Jutta20:54
zethand are not so big20:54
zethand might just throw us out if we turn up with 100 people20:54
zethdidn't that happen at one of the lugradios20:55
contraryperhaps if we warned them beforehand20:55
zethbut the weatherspoons next to the hippodrome is close to ETAP20:55
zethcloser than broad street20:55
zethokay20:55
zethso lets come back to it20:56
zethas moreati said20:56
moreatiokay, moving on20:56
zethI still like the mailbox idea20:56
fuzzymanphoning in advance sounds like a very good idea20:56
zethOne thing20:56
moreatiTOPIC Infrastructure20:56
zethwe need a volunteer or crew member who is not in PSF20:56
zethpreferable local20:56
zethor at least UK20:56
zethwho can be the name I give to walkabout20:56
fuzzymantartley20:57
fuzzymancontrary20:57
contraryok20:57
moreatiexcept use their real world names...20:57
fuzzymanhehe20:57
contraryi will defnitely not be in the "psf", whatever that is20:57
zethit is like the masons20:57
fuzzymanthe python secret foundation20:57
contrarytell me what you want me to do20:58
fuzzymanI have to go folkd20:58
fuzzyman*folks20:58
fuzzymanI'm really sorry20:58
moreatifuzzyman, np20:58
moreatiInfrastructure. We've hired PA and mics for the ABH and Recital Halls.20:59
moreatiRhubarb are out of the picture at the moment, we fell out of contact.20:59
zeth( contrary I will, basically you need to go there on Monday and say "we are here")20:59
zeth(on monday evening)20:59
contraryzeth: ok21:00
moreatiNetwork gear is installed21:00
moreatiPower strip stocks have been replenished21:00
zethThe Rhubarb must have all got eate by a feral cat or something21:00
moreatiMez will be joining us from Tues to help with recording, until then we muddle through21:01
paul_boddiehttp://wiki.europython.eu/VolunteersByActivity#Talk_audio_recording21:01
moreatiTo save costs we won't be having PA in the other, smaller rooms.21:02
paul_boddieThere should be some instructions on what people have to do (1) when chairing sessions and wiring up presenters, and (2) when archiving the audio for the day.21:02
moreatiRIchardtaylor should be taking car of that as Session Chairs Chair21:03
paul_boddieYes, but what about (2)?21:03
zethThe SD cards will basically hold enough for a day21:04
zeththen we just bung them all onto a laptop21:04
zethand/or upload them to the server21:04
moreatipaul_boddie, ditto he tells them (probably) Give all the recording gear to $Bob, $Bob copys data off21:04
zethwe will worry about publishing them later21:04
zeth$Bob defaults to zeth but will delegate it at first opportunity21:05
moreatipaul_boddie, okay?21:06
zethWe lost ciaran our super audio dude, but I will keep half an eye to try to get the thig started21:06
zethunless $Bob is being set to paul_boddie ?21:06
zeththe recorders may even hold several days on a card21:06
paul_boddieI'm fine with whatever people suggest, but if you need people to do stuff, that's why we've volunteered: to save the one guy who knows what to do from being swamped with a bunch of tasks.21:06
zethI can't remember21:06
moreati$Bob is dynamic until Tues, from then $Bob = 'Mez"21:07
zethokay we can sort out things like that on sat21:07
zethand mon21:07
zeththe recorders are very easy to use once setup21:07
zethnext topic?21:07
moreatiyup21:07
moreatiTOPIC Publicity21:08
moreatiI've nothing to say. Keep Tweeting and mailing.21:08
moreatiAnyone?21:09
paul_boddieYes, there'll be a blog post about volunteer stuff once we21:10
paul_boddiehave decided when that'll happen.21:10
Joe202Can we recruit volunteers at the event?21:11
moreatiWhen exactly waht will happen? Final prep work will happen throughout the day tomorrow from (let's say) 10:0021:11
moreatiJoe202, hell yes21:12
moreatipaul_boddie, does that answer your question?21:13
paul_boddieWell, what needs to be done? I guess there's stuff like sorting out badges, attendee packs/bags, plus venue preparation. When is the conservatoire being used?21:14
moreatipaul_boddie, we're packing, doing badges and generally running around. We don;t get into the Conservatoire until 0800 on Saturday, at which point whoever is present will be asked to carry this, poke that in there, stick that up etc.21:17
moreatiBag stuffing is on Sunday afternoon21:18
moreati(and is in the timetable)21:18
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paul_boddieOK. There was some doubt as to whether the timetable is accurate, so I can at least point to the timetable now.21:18
zethokay can we rattle through the rest, I am being told off21:18
moreatizeth, yes please21:18
moreatiTOPIC volunteers21:19
moreatiI think we've covered this.21:19
moreatipaul_boddie, anything to add/ask?21:19
zethThe wiki page on this is great21:20
zethif anyone asks about it, we can refer them to it21:20
zethOne thing however21:20
zeththis part: http://wiki.europython.eu/VolunteersByActivity#General_Helpers21:20
zethThe General helpers table21:20
paul_boddieI guess I'll just point to the Wiki page.21:21
zethit kind of implies that we want only 2 general helpers at a time21:21
zethwhich is not true21:21
zethwe want as many as poss21:21
zethcan the table be expanded by a wiki expert?21:21
zethThe main thing is at the start and end of each day21:21
zethI also want everyone to be clear that we do not look after people's suitcases21:22
Joe202I'll expand the table21:22
zethnot the general delegates21:22
zethcrew crap can go into crew area21:22
zethbut suitcase watching pollutes the crew areas as people hanging around in/out after their suitcases21:23
moreatiokay21:23
zethwe also are not insured21:23
moreatiTOPIC Next meeting21:23
zethfor people's private stuff21:23
zethSat 8am?21:23
moreatiThere is no next meeting, see you all next week21:23
moreatiTOPIC AOB21:23
zethDid I mention we don't take the general delegates luggage?21:24
zeth:-)21:24
zethOkay thanks moreati et all21:25
zethgood night21:25
moreatiNight all21:25
moreati#endmeeting21:25
Joe202bye21:26
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