IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2009-06-30

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FionaIs this thing on ??00:04
FionaI'm in the00:05
FionaWellington pub00:05
FionaNo one was in the aussie bar -- nice food though00:05
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holdenwebCall this a conference? It's only 11:15 and the channel has less than 50 people on it01:13
* holdenweb realizes he ought to confess he writes this from the comfort of^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H his hotel room.01:14
holdenweb;-)01:14
Tvi walked through Wellington enough to see geeky people talking01:15
Tvneeded to hunt, entrap and skin a pizza, though01:16
Tvi've been up 27 hours at this point :(01:16
mattiActually.01:18
tobixenTv! :-)01:24
tobixenI just came back to the hotel01:24
Tvtobixen: hi.. i'm at the nitenite el cheapo capsule hotel, near west end of the Mailbox mall thingie01:24
tobixenwhatever ... we'll meet tomorrow ;-)  I'm considering to get up early and volunteer for registration ....01:26
matti;]01:26
holdenwebTv: Capsule hotel? Really? I passed it and wondered why it wasn't on the official list. As a registered claustrophobe I'll probably not switch at this stage :)01:27
Tvholdenweb: where as i usually keep hotel room curtains closed anyway01:27
holdenwebIt's not a matter of curtains, it's a matter of the lack of resemblance to a certain vertical rock fissure that I met in my youth during blasting at a nearby quarry ...01:29
Tvwell let me assure you at ep2008 i did not get any salvation from the idea that i could climb out the window on the what-was-it-7th? floor window..01:30
Tvaand i've been awake 27.5 hours..01:30
mattiTv: ... and counting.01:31
Tvnot really counting very well, anymore ;)01:32
* Mez yawns01:37
mattimatti: You arrived yet?01:38
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tobixenor schizofreniac01:39
tobixentobixen: and how are you?01:39
tobixen;-)01:39
MezSchizophreniac :D01:39
Mezyay, I've been paid.01:40
MezNow I ust have to wait for the bank to open tomorrow morning01:40
mattiHeh.01:40
MezI've decided that I'm going to use random change I have lying around to get into town, then register, then bugger off to the bank for 9, then go get breakfast, and be back (hopefully) for 1001:41
Mezbut I should be off to bed now, gotta pack up my laptop etc in the morning01:42
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holdenwebNight-night, EuroPython01:59
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AquilaeYeah, sweet dreams.02:54
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tobixenmorning08:45
Mezmorning08:49
* Mez is having a smoke then going to jump on a bus08:50
Mezanyone else up stupidly early?08:51
Mezobviously not?09:31
tobixenthere are some 3-4 people in the conference venue already09:44
tobixenat least 5 including me and ... one of the crew, don't remember his name09:44
tobixenwifi works great now that it's almost without users ;-)09:45
tobixen6 and counting ;-)09:45
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tobixenso many people!  the wifi is going to break down for sure!10:20
SafPlusPlusNice and busy here...10:38
* SafPlusPlus feels nearly guilty for uploading europython photo's to flickr... :)10:40
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fiona`wireless is terrible10:47
fiona`in the conference venue10:47
fiona`it only just works10:47
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fiona`the wireless has started to behave10:58
fiona`for how long - no one knowss10:58
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nick_fn_tabletcolourful mics!11:13
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fiona`this is awesome - i think i have secured the only plug socket in the hall11:15
fiona`there's only one here too11:15
nick_fn_tablethaha :-) well found11:17
nick_fn_tabletI see one spare on the stage though11:18
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fiona`fff11:27
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mattiHm.11:34
Mezif anyone sees ciaran  ooney before i do can ypu let him know i've got charging cables for him11:35
mattiYou can send him email.11:36
Meztoo lazy. at maplins11:37
mattiWell, good luck ;]11:39
* matti off to do something interesting.11:39
FNDdoes anyone happen to have a DE->UK power plug adaptor I could borrow for ~3 hrs (need to charge my cell phone)11:44
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MrWure11:45
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MrWufiona``: I was about to say, some minutes ago, that (just in case it is needed) I've a power extension with 6 "european-like" holes/plugs on it (+ the needed adapter)11:47
MrWu(I noticed you were talking about power plugs)11:47
fiona``hehe11:47
fiona``i found a plug at the back11:47
fiona``of the new lecture theater11:48
fiona``and i use british plugs11:48
fiona``aka: awkward as fuck plugs11:48
FNDthey're bulky, but many people praise them11:49
fiona``they are safer apparently11:49
fiona``but if that is true or not11:49
* fiona`` shrugs11:49
fiona``i don't know anything about electronics11:50
fiona``i can put a computer together and write teh codez11:50
fiona``that's about it11:50
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FNDI can subscribe to that11:51
fiona``py11:52
fiona``py11:52
fiona``PyPyPyPy11:52
MrWuok, just in case anyone needed them, just ask here (or the guy with the orange power adapter, jejeje)11:54
FNDMrWu: thanks, I suppose I'll find you (will have to get the cell phone charger from the hotel first though)11:55
nick_fn_tabletNeed what? I arrived too late11:55
FNDcontinental power sockets11:55
FND(I think that's what we were talking about)11:55
MrWuyup11:56
nick_fn_tabletWe could do with uk splitter in recital room11:56
nick_fn_tabletI think we have a spare  continental one11:56
MrWudidn't know the proper name (we spanish people, most of the time can't find the proper name of things... :D)11:56
MrWunick_fn_tablet: I was saying I've a 6-plug adapter, so I've some free space on it (just in case someone needed it)11:57
nick_fn_tabletWe are solved now I think11:59
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MrWunice11:59
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nick_fn_tabletDuring a break I might get my 6 way from hotel12:00
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dreimarkis jan ulrich hasecke from plone around?12:08
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CMooneyHi all.12:17
CMooneyianto, Fecking welsh.12:17
fiona``hi Mez was looking for you12:17
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fiona``he said he has your charging cables i think12:18
CMooney... when .. last i heard he was going for a smole.12:18
CMooneyHe found me, using them now. Thanks for passing on the message though.12:18
fiona``k :)12:18
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VladDrachi12:35
CMooneyhe he spamming @europython's twitter bot12:35
VladDracjust noticed that the "advanced search" button on europython.org doesn't work (404)12:36
CMooneyah. Well I can say that is unlikely to get fixed now....12:36
CMooneyWhat are you looking for?12:36
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Mezhey fiona`` I'm around, somewhere, currently sitting in the crew room.12:38
fiona``python related question - if i'm doing a lot of re.compile() calls, do you think it's worth compiling them ahead of time and then just matching on them instead of compiling each time?12:38
fiona``hi mez12:38
fiona``i'm in the pypy talk12:39
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* Mez hates his wireless card.12:39
MezI'm in the crew room, hiding, trying to fix something for work.12:40
VladDracnot looking for anything specific, just reporting a site issue :)12:40
CMooneyVladDrac, Thanks, you can be really helpfull and put it on the Feedforward Page, so we may remember for next yera12:41
CMooneyMez, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.12:42
VladDracok12:42
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MezCMooney: run while you still can.12:48
* CMooney points and laughs at Mez's wifi12:49
Mezyeah,It's this laptop, it sucks.12:49
MezIt has no lapic timer, or it wont boot.12:49
MezI guess I could run vista....12:49
CMooneyshame on you12:50
* Mez stabs himself in the eye eiwith a fork12:50
CMooneygood, feel better? Using vista would feel worse.12:51
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Tvso did ep2009 have an open spaces track?12:52
Tvis there a board for that?12:52
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MrTopfHi13:21
nick_fn_tablethello13:22
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aa_go europython!13:35
MrTopfdon't go, network! ;-)13:36
MezThe wireless sucks.. well, with m lappy anyways (damned SiS Hardware)13:36
Mezthank god for 3G13:36
TvMez: the wifi works perfectly well, maybe you just need a thinkpad ;)13:37
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MrWu:)13:38
MrWuwe are a lot of poeple in the pyjamas talk13:38
MrWu:)13:38
MrTopfand as soon as I said this of course it kicked me ;-)13:39
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MezTv: nah, it's my laptop that doesnt like wireless.. it treats 3g as a wired connection, or doesnt need the lapic_timer or something.13:45
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TheSheeponly 7213:48
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Tvthe zen of pyjamas was extremely hot and full13:52
Tv(no double entendres please)13:52
chrisw:-)13:52
TheSheepit still is13:52
DuncF_Tv: nudge nudge ;-) ;-13:52
TvDuncF_: twss13:52
MrWunow I'm really sorry I couldn't attend the pyjamas tutorial :(13:53
Tvthe crowdsourcing talk is funny, even if the speaker isn't13:53
Tvso full of censorship13:54
MrWuthe one from simon?13:55
Tvyea13:55
MezTv: he's been on about mysociety a couple of times. Matthew Somerville did a talk about that which is quite amusing @ our lug not long back13:55
Mezhttp://sourceguru.org/videos/4/13:55
MezSomething for your bookmarks :D13:55
MrWuthnx Mez13:56
MezMrWu: no worries, it's an interesting talk.13:57
MezRight, time to save my battery for the next talk, apparently it will have IRC interaction :D13:57
MezWith ianto as a slave :D13:57
Tvit will never live up to standards set at pycon13:58
Tv;)13:58
dreimarkTheSheep: you have counted?14:00
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Tvthaaat's not a craaash14:05
Tv(thiis is a craash)14:05
Tv^ "Crash #1: more Apache children than MySQL connections" in the crowdsourcing talk14:06
Tvjust giving 500 internal errors for hits above load threshold ain't "crashing"14:06
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CMooneyTv hi14:07
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CMooneyTv, yes to both your questions14:08
CMooneyok?14:08
TvCMooney: i found the whiteboard with just some topics, no timing etc14:08
TvCMooney: the one with lightning talks on it, too14:08
TvCMooney: is that it?14:08
MrTopfyeah, the open space board probably should have time slots and it would be nice if people would introduce their sessions tomorrow morning14:09
CMooneyNeither will have topics other than those the delegates write on it. There may be two boards in the foyer, there is certainly one for the openspace (or maybe half of one)14:09
ambvCMooney: where can I find you? I'm at the Twisted talk in Arena Foyer now14:10
CMooneyIn the recital hall, nursing audio equipment. If you want to put some kind of blank grid for talks, just draw one on. The organisers are being hands-off when it comes to openspace.14:10
* ambv is llanga == true14:10
CMooneyambv, Hi!14:10
ambv*True14:10
ambv:D14:10
MrTopfif nobody has done it I will do it.. I guess we use the same slots as the timetable14:11
CMooneyambv, We will have to have a chat later about audio stuff etc, not urgent though. I'll be the blond guy in a blue shirt, looking tired :)14:11
TvMrTopf: the concept of people being there in the mornings is fired anyway14:11
MrTopfI will be there :-)14:11
CMooneyMrTopf, Please do!14:12
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CMooneyRemeber it's not as rigid as our timetable so allow for fuzzyness, people may want 15, 30, 45 or 60 mins ....14:12
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CMooneyambv, We seem to be the twitter whores.....14:12
MrTopfbut we should have announced it today that people should present sessions tomorrow.. so please sign me up for next year as barcamp part organizer :)14:12
ambvCMooney: two things. First of all, most of other people seem to use #europython instead of @europython14:13
MrTopfand maybe somebody can tell people tomorrow morning to use the "europython" tag and #europython hashtag14:13
CMooneyMrTopf, Sign up to the europython-improve mailing list, put it on the feedforward wiki page and keep reminding us!14:13
MrTopfI am on there and mailed about it :-)14:13
MrTopfbut anyway, will be more pro-active next year14:14
Tvambv: typical twitter use is # for just chatter, @ for more announcement-style14:14
MrTopfI just thought Bruce Eckel would be talking about it14:14
Tvambv: if you spam @europython people will just stop following it14:14
CMooney@europython is what gets the bot to repeat it to all the followers...., I don't know much about twitter this is my first flirtation with it. John P has a python bot doing mos of it14:14
MrTopfI am not sure the @ is a good idea.. now people are not using the hashtag14:14
MrTopfand @ maybe should only be for organizers14:14
Tvthat's why you sigh, give up, and just search for europython ;)14:14
CMooneyMrTopf, Being pro-active is the default if you want anything done.14:14
ambvCMooney: Second of all, my boss told me to inform him through Twitter that I'm actually at the venue and not sight-seeing.14:15
MrTopfI know, just having a lazy EP this year after doing Barcamp and video last year14:15
CMooneymeh. it's up to people what they use14:15
CMooneyambv, lol!14:15
NailorI suggest using hashtags, easier to create saved searches and doesn't pollute the "official" twittering too much14:15
CMooneyI'm off to the  ABH to watch the snake oil.....14:15
Tvambv: so there's this timed twitter sending service...14:15
MrTopfwell, it's good to have some rules so that stuff is findable14:15
MrTopfI will send that to the list maybe14:15
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ambvTv: LOL14:16
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nick_fn_tabletMongoDB listeners have lunch offset by 10 mins14:19
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Nailormmghay14:19
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MS-Anyone with a VGA dongle? One appears to be needed in the Band room14:20
MS-Ah they have one now :-)14:20
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CMooney...14:29
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TvBah sharding isn't an add-on you plop on top, proper distributed systems are so much nicer (re mongodb talk)14:32
Tvactually, here's a rule: if you say sharding, you're still doing it wrong14:33
* ambv agrees14:33
HerrTopfI see, everybody is in the talk, I am in, too :-)14:33
HerrTopfjust mailed to the list about tags to use and slideshare14:33
Tveww slideshare14:34
Tvhow about you just publish slides, instead of uploading them to a crappy service that tries to force me to register to download anything14:34
HerrTopfbecause it gets more publicity14:34
Tvwell then do that _also_14:34
Tvslideshare is evil14:35
HerrTopfsure, I am not saying you shouldn't upload it anywhere else14:35
Tvwe as an open source community should not support slideshare14:35
HerrTopfright, we should leave that to PHP and Ruby people :-)14:35
ambvbah, saying that RDBMSs are not performant lights a warning sign in my head14:36
dreimarkdidn' we have a wiki were you upload talks14:36
Tvambv: depends on your definition of performant14:36
HerrTopfsure, I would say, the more you spread your talks, the better14:36
Tvambv: i've killed both postgres & mysql with too many rows..14:36
ambvTv: I guess most of the new & hip "databases" could be killed with large scale as well14:37
Tvambv: try that on e.g. cassandra, and have fun..14:37
ambvlarge scale as the data domain scale14:37
HerrTopfprobably you can kill any database with just too much data ;-)14:37
Tvambv: couch or something like that, sure, most of those are backed by a silly bdb backend14:38
ambvI'm all for innovation but lately it seems that every developer wants to have his "own" database implementation14:38
HerrTopfhehe :)14:38
HerrTopfmaybe some will survive14:38
ambvyeah, along with great "epic failure" stories14:39
ambvlet me observe this comfortably from a distance14:39
ambv;)14:39
HerrTopfthinking about TopfDB14:39
Tvambv: that's more of a problem in the non-replicated end of the ecosystem14:39
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Tvambv: the higher end is just too hard to do at all, so there's only a few promising projects14:40
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Tvambv: and most of those have wildly different designs, so you pick the one that behaves the way you want, and they really don't compete as such14:40
HerrTopfBlog backend? It writes data to a weblog? :)14:40
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ambvit has a Twitter publising stored procedure14:41
ambv*publishing14:41
ambv;)14:41
MrTopfright, why store it yourself? ;-)14:41
MrTopf"we just push everything to twitter and flickr because we assume they have their storage problems sorted out"14:42
ambvoh yeah14:42
Tva blog is like the most non-challenging example for a modern database14:42
ambvI love these types of examples14:42
ambvTv: exactly14:42
Tvyou could store most blogs in a single file14:42
ambvyou can basilly pickle the whole thing :/14:42
Tvas in, rewrite fully on every write14:42
Tvheh14:42
ambv*basically14:42
MrTopfone could indeed simply use ZODB14:42
Tvambv: except for suggesting pickle, i agree ;)14:42
ambvpickle as a concept14:43
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ambvwe can jsonpickle it, ZODB it, Axiom it14:43
Tvambv: as for suggesting pickle, i might have to kill you, just to keep the idea away from the public eye14:43
ambvwhatever14:43
CMooney... be great if talk slides were uploaded to the wiki, http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials14:43
ambvTv: LOL, now that you've announced it14:43
ambvI'm safe14:43
ambv;)14:43
CMooneyWhat is the irc room for the snakeoil talk?14:45
ambvTv: why are you so touchy about pickle?14:45
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Tvambv: security14:45
Tvambv: plus i disagree with the whole mentality of "pickle it all", i prefer very explicit data storage14:45
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ambvin terms of safety, what would you suggest instead?14:46
Tvambv: json14:46
ambvhow is that more safe?14:46
Tvambv: loading it cannot evaluate random code, it's _just_ data14:46
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Tvambv: see why pickle is evil? even you didn't know loading untrusted pickle is totally insecure14:47
ambvOK, I see14:47
ambvis that documented excplicitly?14:47
Tvusing pickle for data storage is like writing machine code as data and executing it to reload14:48
Tvjust a tiny bit harder for the attacker14:48
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Tvand then we see people using pickle in network protocols14:48
Tvgah14:48
Tvkill it with fire, i say14:48
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fiona`lols14:49
holizzThat was a fun ... IRC chat.14:49
Tv" Warning The pickle module is not intended to be secure against erroneous or maliciously constructed data.  Never unpickle data received from an untrusted or unauthenticated source. "14:49
MrTopfbut wouldn't you still need the class to perform something?14:49
Tvambv: in an ideal world, that'd be enough14:49
TvMrTopf: that's where the "a tiny bit harder" comes into effect14:50
TvMrTopf: easier to exploit than writing shellcode, afaik14:50
holizzOh yeah, lunch. Wonder if the vegan option is a) stuffed peppers or b) baked potato.14:50
MrTopfguess I missed the snakeoil talk14:50
fiona`it was the best tallk14:51
MrTopfok, then I should leave directly, now that missed the best talk already ;-)14:51
fiona`food time14:51
MrTopffor us a bit later14:51
holizzsimonw's was the best14:51
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holizzirc while walking ftw14:52
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Tvwhere as irc while eating is harder -> suspend for lunch14:53
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holizzin the queue14:54
holizzlooks like the lunch is better than pyconuk's14:54
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ambvboo, the wi-fi stability is kind of disappointing14:59
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holizzambv: I know, right? It's been okay the past half hour, but it's not great.15:03
ambvholizz: that's not directed at anyone15:04
ambvit could have been better, but then again - we're using it now and it works15:04
ambv:)15:04
holizzmmm, cornish pasty15:08
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CMooneyFooooooooooooooooooooood15:29
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dreimarkqueue queue queue15:36
CMooneydreimark, tell me when it's gone and I'll head over :p15:38
TheSheepit looped15:39
TheSheepit will never end15:39
CMooneyWell the food looks half-decent, John made a lot of effort to get those pasties in.15:41
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holizzCMooney: They were good pasties.15:42
holizzIt's good to educate all the foreign deligates about our quaint British ways.15:42
SafPlusPlusPasties were indeed brilliant, perhaps I should change careers and become a tinminer... :)15:43
CMooneyI'll look forward to them then!15:43
CMooneyBetter than a geek-unfriendly finger buffer?15:43
CMooney*buffet15:43
CMooneybuffer probably *are* geek friendly15:43
CMooneyNorwegians don't get black pudding, after explaining it to them last night.15:43
CMooneyHmm wonder if we have any this week....15:43
CMooneySafPlusPlus, They still make them you know!15:44
TheSheepblack pudding?15:47
TheSheepis it similar to czernina?15:48
DuncFmmm, black pudding, pref with oatmeal in it.15:48
TheSheepah, no, it's kaszanka15:49
CMooneyDuncF, That's new.....15:49
DuncFTheSheep: yep, that looks good15:49
TheSheepCMooney: you should try polish czernina one time :)15:49
* DuncF looked it up on wikipedia15:49
CMooneyTheSheep, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding15:49
TheSheepyes15:50
DuncFCMooney: http://www.clonakiltyblackpudding.ie/15:50
TheSheephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czernina15:50
CMooneySoounds google.15:50
CMooneyDuncF, .ie! Brilliant, wasn't sure if it was just an English thing, the token Welsh 17 year old had never heard of black pudding.15:50
CMooneySounds *good15:51
DuncFnope, definitely not just an english thing.15:51
DuncFred pudding on the other hand, is something I've not found outside of Dundalk15:51
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DuncFthough googling suggests I might not have looked hard enough15:52
iantotoken?15:52
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fionaheh this tweet screen is cool15:57
* DuncF agrees with fiona 15:57
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* mgedmin likes the ASCII-art local on the twitterboard16:02
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SafPlusPlusTweet screen? Where's it at?16:05
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mgedminadrian boult hall, left and back of the main screen16:06
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SafPlusPlusI'll go look at that in 20 min then... :)16:07
holizzHello the Adrian Boult Hall. This seems to be where the action is.16:07
SafPlusPlusI imagine that that might encourage a lot of spam though... Like the IRC thingy at the Snake oil thing.16:07
mgedminthat's where the keynote is supposed to start in 20 minutes16:08
SafPlusPlusIndeed.16:08
* mgedmin liked "this loo won the loo of the year award in 1991" sign proudly displayed on the bathroom wall16:09
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mgedminnetwork spotty here too :/16:14
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holizzThe power sockets are very popular.16:25
fionai haz16:25
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chrisw_they always are?16:25
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fionaonly one over here though, if someone wants to sit near me and put a four way in then feel free16:26
fionathat sounded wrong16:26
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ChrisWjust me or is the wifi in the Adrian Boult Hall verrrrrrrrryy slow?16:26
DuncFi16:26
ChrisWindeed...16:27
DuncFt16:27
DuncF'16:27
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fionalol16:27
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chrisw*mcsigh*16:32
chriswneeed moooore bandwidth16:33
chriswdammit, how am I supposed to watch dvd quality porn with such a slow connection? ;-)16:34
DuncFfatter tubes16:34
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LarstiQMez: I'm here, jelmer isn't afaik17:37
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chriswthe tubes appear a little less clogged17:49
Tveveryone isn't in the same room17:50
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AquilaeI'll ask the Star city for games starting between 17:30 and 18:00. So who's coming?18:13
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AquilaeOh, and details on bus stops of bus route 66 is highly appreciated, I can't seem to figure out where the stops are.18:14
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AquilaeAnybody at FilterPype?18:26
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CMooneyHmmm Lunch was good.18:30
MS-Interesting" to see stuff taken from the kamaelia website without attribution or notification and with misrepresentation.18:30
CMooneyMS-, best speaking to them then, asking for attribution and better representation. If its from internets, who notifies anyone on the internets??18:31
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MS-Well, it's more Rob Collins didn't know anything about Kamaelia 2 days ago, and now opened his presentation with 2 pages on it18:31
MS-Without knowing what it does AFAICT18:32
MS-*shrug*18:32
MS-I prefer to say "I have no clue" :)18:32
CMooneylol. Ah ignorance is fun.18:33
MS-Not a biggy by any stretch :)18:34
CMooneyTrue.18:34
MS-I'm curious to see if there's improvements over what we've done in what they've done tbh18:36
MS-If they've built something better, we all win :)18:37
CMooneyTrue.18:37
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ntmartinHello19:01
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CMooneyntmartin, Hi.19:02
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mikaelmoutakisit's hot and sticky today19:27
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Tvquiet in here19:46
DuncFssshhh19:46
* Tv releases the crickets19:46
MrWu:)19:46
Tvhotpy talk is fairly interesting, not sure if there's reality behind the story19:47
MrWudunno about the rest of you, but I'm quite sleepy19:47
MrWuthe pyjamas + django is very interesting19:47
Tvi'm living 8 timezones east from usual, but surprisingly not all that jetlaggy19:47
Tvi expect it to hit just before my talk on thursday19:47
MrWu:)19:47
MrWuwhich one?19:47
Tvpythonic filesystem api19:48
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MrWuone of my selected ones19:48
MrWu:)19:48
Tvyay19:48
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TheSheepoh my god, it's full of files?19:52
MrWuTheSheep: ?19:52
TheSheepMrWu: there was a lightning talk last year on ep about it19:52
TheSheepmaking a better api for files19:52
TvTheSheep: lightning? it was a long talk19:53
TheSheepTv: was it?19:53
Tvhttp://eagain.net/blog/19:53
TheSheepTv: sorry then19:53
TheSheepI must have mixed it up with some lightning talk later19:53
Tvwe had a talk, an open space and a sprint19:53
Tvthis year, talk & sprint19:54
TheSheepnice19:54
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nick_fn_tabletStill prefer PyParsing to PLY. Never used PLY though.20:23
chriswwhere/when are people eating tonight?20:24
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FNDnick_fn_tablet: what do you use it for20:25
nick_fn_tablet11 people going to the veggie Warehouse cafe20:25
Tvpyparsing is pretty darn neat in a way anything inspired by limitations of C probably won't ever be20:25
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FNDI wanna try it, but short of creating Yet Another Wikitext Parser, I got no proper idea20:26
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nick_fn_tabletFND, you know, I don't remember . Was a while ago20:26
nick_fn_tabletah yes... As a search expression parser20:26
FNDah interesting20:27
Tvone thing i want to have at some point is an independent reimplementation of restructuredtext parsing20:27
Tvbecause the current docutils one is a mess :(20:27
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nick_fn_tabletI need a new Textile parser20:27
holdenwebHi guys. Have they put the lightning talk schedule up yet? Is it on the web?20:28
nick_fn_tabletWe use textile for our wiki, but now need to extend it20:28
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MrMeaniehey mick20:35
SafPlusPlusWee, pictures are showing up at flickr... but not mine though... :(20:35
micktwomeyhi MrMeanie20:36
MrMeaniemick, what talk are you in?20:36
micktwomeyCouchdb20:36
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micktwomeynot sure I'll last though, likely to perspire then expire :)20:37
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MrMeaniemick, heh20:38
MrMeanie:)20:38
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Mezanyone still at the conservatoire?21:44
Tvprobably someone still trapped in the maze of corridors, all very different21:44
MezI need someone who's there to go do something for me.21:45
Tvhah, good luck21:45
MezI think I've left my keys there in the crew room, but not sure.21:45
MezI'm pretty fucked if they're lost!21:45
Tvsounds like you're walking there, next ;)21:46
MezHmm? nah ... I can get back to the venue, just whether anyone will still be there.21:46
MezLarstiQ: ? ianto ?21:46
Mezzeth: ?21:46
MezxorAxAx: ?21:46
MezANYONE??21:47
Mezah, wait, I just found them buried in the bottom of my bag!21:48
Mezyay21:48
MezTv: which hotel are you in ?21:49
TvMez: nitenite21:49
Tvgotta work on my talk for thursday21:49
Tvi will emerge from my cave only for food21:49
Mezah, fair enough21:51
Mezthough food does sound like a good idea.21:51
Tvyeah i'm thinking of checking out that pizza place at western end of The Mailbox21:52
Tvbecause it's close by21:52
MezLol - I'm thinking of just sleeping...21:53
Mezbut I guess I *should* goto the social...21:53
Mezmaybe.21:53
MezTired from working my ass off all day though21:53
MezI have a bunkbed in my room though - how cool is that ?21:55
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Mezevening holdenweb_21:57
MezTv: what's the pizza place near the mailbox called?21:58
Tvdon't remember21:58
Tvit's by the canal21:58
MezLol - very useful. :D21:58
Tvwalk out the west end of the mailbox, look down by the canal21:59
Tv*shrug*21:59
* Mez shrugs too21:59
Tvooh thai place called Kinnaree there too22:00
* Mez shrugs22:00
MezI think I'll just go for a wander22:00
Tva bit fancier than i really like, but whatever.. i like hole-in-the-wall thai ;)22:02
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iantoMez: J00 pinged me!22:33
matti;]22:37
matti*smile*22:37
LarstiQMez: I wasn't, but I see you got out of the scramble :)22:59
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mattiHow do we organise GPG signing party?23:05
LarstiQmatti: the programme mentions "informal", but also that there would be an explanation23:05
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Mezpeople' we're downstairs in rhe aussie bar23:08
Mezand i can't type well on my phone23:08
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mattiI am heading to the Pramier's Inn bar for a cup of coffee.23:19
mattiAnyone care to join?23:19
mattiThere is like gazillion C in my room.23:20
LarstiQmatti: no, but you're welcome to come hang at the nitenite terrace :)23:20
matti29.523:20
mattiLarstiQ: Where is that?23:20
LarstiQmatti: pretty close, next to the axis building23:21
* LarstiQ sees a sleeping moon premier inn logo from the terrace23:22
mattiI am clueless.23:23
mattiHow far away is that place?23:23
LarstiQ:)23:23
mattiLarstiQ: My brain is melting...23:23
matti;p23:23
LarstiQmatti: out the gate, down the street, I'd say 200 meters?23:23
mattiOh.23:24
LarstiQunless I'm looking at the wrong premier inn23:24
mattiThis thing on the right.23:24
LarstiQyeah23:24
mattiWe you move towards City Centre?23:24
mattiOK23:24
mattiI shall arrive.23:24
LarstiQbut not towards broad street, away from it down the street23:24
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MetalJoeAny of the MoinMoin guys reading the channel at the moment? :-)23:29
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