IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2009-06-16

zethis Hi all00:39
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mattiMorning.12:23
mattizeth: Out of 83 speakers, only 5 went back to me.12:28
mattizeth: I reckon that most of them will try to squeeze just before the deadline.12:28
ambvmatti: LOL13:03
dboddie_office78 people are still writing their presentations, then. ;-)13:19
mattiApparently so ;]13:25
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Wuhi guys13:56
Wuis there any list with the people who will attend the conference?13:57
Wujust wondering if there is more people from my region that will attend13:57
WuI'll reach london on monday (the 29th) and I've rented a car to go to birmingham13:58
WuI was thinking about sending an email to the list, of anybody else arrives at london at that day/time, I can pick them up13:59
Wu(and if someone else from my country/region is going in the same flight, would be even nicer to meet them before)13:59
dboddie_officeWu: It might be good to ask on the mailing list. Where are you coming from?14:34
Wuspain14:38
Wunorthwest14:38
Wulet me send an email to the list then14:38
dboddie_officeSounds like the best plan.14:38
Wumail sent14:51
Wustat=Deferred: 450 4.2.0 <europython@python.org>: Recipient address rejected: Temporary reject by policy14:51
Wuhope that's ok and the mail will go through14:51
dboddie_officeAre you subscribed to that list?14:54
Wuyes I'm14:56
WuI've received all the mails since john pinner's one about the partners program14:57
mattizeth: Do we want to make those CDs even prior to the tutorial session?14:59
dboddie_officeWu: OK, maybe it's just a mail system glitch.15:04
Wunp, if needed I'll send it again, time to have lunch, see ya later15:05
Wubye15:05
mattiHeh15:20
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CMooneyhey zeth, off the top of your head do you know who's dealing with the conference cd?16:35
CMooneyAh. Don't worry just found who it is.16:37
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LarstiQdboddie_office, Wu: that looks like standard greylisting16:40
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WuLarstiQ: yep, seems so17:25
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zethHi18:42
zethHello all18:43
zethHi aa_ dboddie_office dboddie_office fuzzyman jacob22 LarstiQ matti Mez matti MrTopf nickbooker povbot SafPlusPlus TheSheep Wu xorAxAx18:55
LarstiQmeeting time?18:55
zethyep18:55
zethin theory at least18:56
Wu:)18:56
Wuhi zeth18:56
zethHi Wu18:56
zethWe might not have too many people today18:56
zethso might be a short meeting18:56
zethbut we should do it anyway18:56
zeth#startmeeting18:57
zethPRESENT18:57
zethAPOLOGIES John Pinner18:58
zethTOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in19:00
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zethHello moreati tartley !19:00
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tartleyhello zeth!19:00
zethHello!19:00
zethI was about to close the shorted EuroPython meeting yet ;)19:00
zethnow some people have come19:00
zethmaybe I should start again ;)19:00
pboddiePRESENT19:01
moreatipboddie: not yet :)19:01
pboddieIt's in the log!19:01
zethTOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in19:01
dboddie_officePRESENT19:01
zethrepeated APOLOGIES John Pinner19:01
LarstiQzeth: any idea how long it will take?19:02
moreatiPRESENT19:02
* LarstiQ might not be here much longer19:02
zethI wrote a check-in system this afternoon19:02
zethLarstiQ: no idea19:02
LarstiQPRESENT19:02
LarstiQzeth: let's see what happens :)19:02
zethLarstiQ: may be five mins or 2 hours19:02
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zethhard to tell19:02
zethI wrote a check-in system this afternoon19:02
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zethAnd launched it 10 minutes ago19:02
pinnerHello!19:03
zethin the ten minutes so far, 10 people have checked-in for their tutorials19:03
conchHello!19:03
zeth1119:03
pinnerzeth: launched what?19:03
zeththe tutorials check-in system19:03
pinnergreat19:03
zethit sends a unique URL one-time use to each person on the list you gave me19:03
zethit sent19:04
zethnew people can be added by putting a new file in the right place and running a script19:04
conchI've changed my nick as I don't know the password for qwright19:04
zeththe input format is one email per line19:04
zethThe system has not been double checked by nickbooker19:05
zethso anything might happen ;)19:05
pinnerlive testers19:05
moreatizeth does it send the email again if it sees the same address on a subsequent run?19:05
zethno19:05
zethit is smart enough for that ;)19:05
zethany other questions on that19:06
moreatiIs it worth putting an announcement on the front page, in case we've missed somebody or it drums up a few more bookings?19:06
zethannoucement of what?19:07
LarstiQzeth: the checkin system19:08
zethwell19:08
zethpeople only have access to the checkin system if they have booked and paid for tutorials19:08
moreatiAs in, is there a chance that people have booked, but were missing from the list you've used, or are the still a few people who wish to book the tutorials but need a little push. Should we announce that people can now choose their tutorials?19:08
zethwell I think advanced checkin is optional19:09
moreatiokay, never mind then.19:09
zethand 11 people out of however many seem to have got the idea19:09
zethWell I think we could say that tutorials are open19:10
zethand book now or face disappoing menrt19:10
zethdisappoment19:10
zethdisappointment19:10
zeth;)19:10
zethdisappointing spelling ;)19:10
moreatiI'll look at putting something on the news page tonight.19:11
zethcool19:11
zethgood idea19:11
moreatiand thankyou for doing the script19:11
zethyou can say that tutorials are still open, are well attended and thoe who book now can advanced checkin19:12
moreaticheck19:12
pinnerYes, thanks Zeth19:12
pinnerShall we start?19:12
moreatipinner: we have started19:12
pinnerOK, what Item are we on?19:13
zeth17:08 < zeth> #startmeeting19:13
moreatipinner: tutorial bookings system19:13
zeth17:12 < zeth> TOPIC Tutorial advanced check-in19:13
tartleyPRESENT19:13
conchPRESENT19:14
pinnerPRESENT19:14
pinnerso we're not following an agenda? 'co I didn't do one, unless we use last week's19:14
zethI was just doing the TOPICs off my head and the last meeting19:14
zethI can hand over chairing to pinner if that helps19:15
pinnerwe need more structure if we're to cover everything in other than random fashion, methinks19:15
zethI was just following this: http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingNumber1419:15
zethso next TOPIC is Talks19:16
pinnerso, let's say we're on Review Actions from Last meeting, and that was the Tutorials Booking System!19:16
zethcool19:16
pinnerother actions were order projectors, which was done19:16
zethTOPIC Review Actions from Last Meeting19:17
zeth(assuming the script is still being used)19:17
pinnerand order adsl, also done Q?19:17
pinnerand update europython@python.org list, also done19:17
pinnerany other actions needed for report?19:18
pinnerzeth: it is19:18
conchADSL very nearly ordered19:18
moreatimine was done, but not by me19:18
pinneryes, put up session chair table, done by rjt19:18
pinnerTOPIC Registration19:19
pinnerBookins now 394 less 16 double-bookings (hotel, tutorials only) = 378 real bookings19:19
pinnerwith 109 for tutorials19:19
zethPretty good, especially considering the lack of publicity outside UK19:20
pinnerI haven't put up the report on the wiki, will do after this meeting when I get back to hotel19:20
pinner(Currently 300 yds from Heathrow main runway)19:20
LarstiQis it desireable to have more bookings than that?19:21
zethLarstiQ: well the more bookings, the more we can spend on beer ;)19:21
pinnerLarstiQ: yes, we are short on sponsorship (later topic) so need as many paying delegate as possible19:21
pinnerAny more on registration?19:21
pinnerTOPIC Tutorials19:22
zethpinner: what was that conversation about logilab registrations?19:22
zethI tried to make sense of the LAC emails19:22
zethbut could not figure it out19:22
pinnerBooking system now done, thanks Zeth19:22
tartleyquestion about the booking system19:22
pinnerzeth: it's all OK19:22
zethcool19:22
tartleytutors will generally have signed up to sit in on other tutorials.19:23
pinnertartley notified the tutors as needed...19:23
tartleyFor their own timeslot, should we instruct them to register for their own tutorial (which distorts the numbers slightly, but otherwise they can't get the form to submit)19:23
pinnertartley: are they clear what they must do to get paid?19:23
tartleylet me check what I wrote...19:23
zethtartley: ah I see, then yes19:24
zethit is really simple system19:24
zethwrote in a few hours only19:24
zethwith no testing19:24
zethdid not think about the teachers19:24
tartleyzeth: fair enough, I'll make sure teachers know how to get through the form19:24
fuzzymanHello19:24
fuzzymanPRESENT19:25
zethhi fuzzyman19:25
fuzzymansorry for lateness19:25
pinnertartley: I say they shouldn't register at all, or must all register, otherwise the catering numbers get distorted19:25
zethtartley: we can always just delete the things19:25
pinnerhello Michael19:25
zethdelete the bookings19:25
tartleypinner: I only told them that £25/student/day still applies, but not how to invoice us. We thought we'd hold off on that until they knew how many students they had19:25
zethI mean, we can delete the pre-checkins for those particular combinations19:25
zethonce they are in the database, they are not in groups of 419:25
pinnertartley: that's fine, but they need to understand that they must provide good handouts to get paid19:26
zeththey are just individual check-ins19:26
tartleyzeth: you mean "where student == tutor" ?19:26
zethyup19:26
tartleyI'll make sure I mention that in a quick 2nd email, including the instructions zeth just outlined. To be sent after this meeting.19:26
zethtartley: one could do it by hand in the Django admin, or one could have coded it19:26
zethassuming that they registed for conference with the same email they submitted the talk with19:27
pinnerWe need to know the numbers asap, for room allocation and handout printing19:27
zethwell anyone with access to the europython django admin19:27
tartleyI suspect people will sign up quickly if we emphasise that places will be limited19:27
zethcan access the checkins19:27
pinnerwe are spread across 3 venues, although two are adjacent, for Sunday19:27
zethI can make a special summary view for the tutors if that helpes19:28
zethhelps19:28
tartleyreminde me: who is sending the announcement for zeth's check-in?19:28
pinnerso we need to get organised19:28
zethtartley: what announcement?19:28
zethThe system has already sent its own email to the students19:28
tartleyzeth: the announce that tutorial students should register for tutorials now, using your nifty new form19:28
tartleyah!19:28
fuzzymanif we do an announcement I can post a blog entry to the pycon blog19:28
zethso you only have to worry about teachers19:28
tartleyI see19:28
tartleythanks19:28
tartleygot it.19:28
pinnerare we all clear now?19:29
nickbookerPRESENT19:29
zetheach student has own unique URL19:29
zethso not much use linking to anything19:29
nickbooker(sorry i'm late - training)19:29
zethone time use URLS were easier than bothering with logins19:29
pinnertartley: do you want to state the DECISION(s) on tutorials so there's no misunderstanding19:30
zethare we done on this topc?19:30
pinnernickbooker: hello, dragged yourself away from her then!19:30
pinnerzeth: when we have the DECISION from tartley19:30
zeththat tartley will send an email to teachers letting them know what is going on?19:31
nickbookerpinner: yes :)19:31
pinnerzeth: yes, and what it says (briefly)19:31
zeth14th person has done their advanced check-in in the last hour ( tartley in fact)19:32
zeth(15 now)19:32
tartleyDECISION: I'll send an email to tutors, they must pick their own tutorials when registering, and remind they must submit decent handouts for payment19:32
pinnergreat19:33
pinnerTOPIC Talks19:33
pinnerproblems with withdrawal of Jim Hugunin and Andy Robinson19:33
LarstiQdinner is served here in Espoo, ciao19:34
pinnerbit give opportunity for VM and barcamp panels19:34
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fuzzymanReportlab Andy Robinson?19:34
lachere but late ...19:34
pinnerfuzzyman: yes, not osm19:34
fuzzymanright19:34
pinnerlac: Hi!19:34
fuzzymanshame19:34
pinnerbut not surprising19:35
fuzzymanheh19:35
pinnerplus point, we need one less room19:35
pinnerso some talk rescheduling to do19:35
pinnerand I think lac and tartley have that in hand19:35
tartleyright. I wasn't very helpful but didn't have anything to add. What people said seemed to make sense.19:36
lachave we already discussed what to tell people who want to book tutorials?19:36
pinnercould wait a bit, there will be more dropouts19:36
pinnerlac: yes19:37
zeth[Added fuzzyman tartley lac pinner etc to tutorial team in django admin, so you can see and edit checkins as much as me]19:37
tartleylac: An email already went out to all emails of people who registered for tutorials.19:37
zethlac: yep19:37
zethlac: everyone who has booked tutorials has been sent a one-time use URL to 'check-in' what tutorials they want19:37
tartleyzeth: thansk19:37
lacmail me the whatever you emailed everybody who registered19:37
lacif you can.  thanks.19:37
tartleyI'll forward it19:38
zethlac: you can login to the website admin19:38
zethand see it live19:38
zethsame login as for talks submissions19:38
lacsure thing.  thank you.19:38
zethlac: http://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/tutorial/booking/19:38
pinnerwe may lose the Ukrainian talk if he doesn't get a visa19:38
pinnerNearly finished with talks?19:39
pinnerACTION Talks rescheduling needed to allow for withdrawn talks and new panels19:39
pinnerTOPIC Swag Bags19:40
pinnerSwag bag 'narrative' decided and transfers and bags ordered19:40
zethcool19:41
pinnerSponsorship shortage will probably mean no funds for Yusdi's nice printed programme19:41
pinnerbut he's going to do it so delegates can downlaod and print themselves, I think19:41
pinnert19:42
pinnerpolo shirts decided and ordered for delegates and crew19:42
fuzzymanhow much would printing cost?19:42
pinner50/50 Black and Grey for delegates and mid-blue (chosen by moreati) for Crew19:43
zethso maybe talking about budget and financial matters should come soon, because ideas on other topics will be limited by that19:43
conchI preferred red19:43
zeth;) yeah red for the win19:43
pinnerfuzzyman: rough guess £5 x 400 delegates = £2000, maybe more with what Yusdi planned19:43
zethmaybe next year red19:43
fuzzymanok19:43
pinnerred next year19:43
pinnerthis year red for 3 x Partners Programme Controllers19:44
zethcool19:44
zeththe real bosses of the conference19:44
pinnerso fallback for bags is timetable and delegate list, and wireless info ? only19:45
moreatiand whatever the sponsors bring along. No conference CD?19:45
pinnerI think zeth has a volunteer doing the CD, we can always put the Programme on the CD as well19:45
pinnerCD is cheap19:46
pinnerTOPIC Publicity19:46
tartleyzeth: another question on the private chat19:46
pinnerAll we can do is publicise on every list we can think of, tell as many people as we know, and Twitter19:47
pinnerAlso we have the printed posters we haven't used yet19:47
pinnerWho wants printed posters to stick up?19:47
zethpinner: CD is almost done I think19:47
pinnerzeth: really? with all the talks? I haven't sent mine in...19:48
pboddieWhat happened with the blog?19:48
pinnerpboddie: I don't know, who has control of it?19:48
zethpinner: Well I think he made the index etc19:49
pboddieZeth, maybe. It got updated last in February unless all my browsers have cached it aggressively.19:49
zethpboddie: everyone with an admin login19:49
zethcan blog19:49
pinnerthere's less than no point in having it if it isn't used19:50
pinnerzeth: admin login to what? the blog? we all need it if it's to be effective19:50
tartleyan admin login to what? the new zope/plone/whatever it is blog setup?19:50
zethfuzzyman19:51
zethghum19:51
zethjohn19:51
zethlac19:51
zethmartin19:51
tartleyI used to have write (but not publish) rights on the wordpress setup19:51
zethmoreati19:51
zethnick19:51
tartleybut lost them on the switchover.19:51
zethq19:51
zethsteve19:51
zethtartley19:51
fuzzymandidn't know I could write blog entries19:51
zeththesheep19:51
zethThese people have admin logins19:51
zethto the europython django admin site19:51
pinnerAhh... that wasn't clear to me19:51
zethhttp://www.europython.eu/submission/admin/blog/post/add/19:51
fuzzymanWhat format are entries - rest or html19:52
zethfuzzyman: rst19:52
moreatioh, I thought we were still using the bash on rails system for the blog19:52
* pinner must be thick... that was supposed to be (proving the point ;-)19:52
zethThere are a few different Django things on the site, they all use a single logon19:53
pinnerSo has everyone who wants/needs one got a login to blog?19:53
zethTalks, Tutorials, Blog etc19:53
zethI can assign permissions granually19:54
zethbut everyone should be able to blog19:54
zethif someone does not have a login19:54
zethlet me know and I will make you oe19:54
fuzzymanno idea what my login is - but my browser has it cached so I'm fine :-)19:54
zethone19:54
pinnerzeth: do that19:54
pinnerACTION Anyone needing to blog ask zeth for a login19:54
zethcool19:54
tartleyalso19:55
tartleythe old wordpress blog needs to point to this new one19:55
tartleyhttp://europython.wordpress.com/19:55
pinnerACTION all to blog to generate publicity/buzz19:55
pinnerACTION who? to point wordpress blog to new blog19:55
tartleyI don't have ability to post to it anymore19:56
tartleybut am happy to write a thing if it's easiest for someone to add me19:56
fuzzyman"all to blog" :-)19:56
tartleyit will only be 10 words though, and a link, so...19:56
TheSheephm?19:56
fuzzymanisn't that the same as "no-one to blog"19:56
fuzzymanis anyone specific going to post an entry on the new system19:57
fuzzymanI'll be doing a new blog on the pycon.blogspot.com19:57
fuzzymanso someone else can volunteer19:57
zethhow about people post according to the work they have been doing?19:57
pinnerfuzzyman: any of us with something useful to say19:57
zeththat would be something useful to read19:57
moreatii will be posting there about the tutorial booking going live19:57
fuzzymancool19:58
pinnerand I can do something about the additional venues19:58
fuzzymangreat19:58
pinnerTOPIC Tech Team Stuff19:59
pinnerI think we're giving video a miss, because of lack of people to do it19:59
pinnerbut audio is going OK, I think, but Ciaran wants another recorder20:00
moreatidefinitely20:00
pinnerwhich we should let him have20:00
tartleyFor the record: I figured out how to post to the old blog at: http://europython.wordpress.com/ I'll add a post redirecting readers to the new blog20:00
pinnerextra projectors ordered20:01
zethcool20:01
pinnerlac: will you be able to bring your projector as a reserve?20:01
conchMust stop early this evening...20:01
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lacyes I am bringing it.20:01
pinnerand I've arranged to borrow the UKUUG projector: picking it up in London next Thursday next week20:01
pinnerlac: good20:02
pinnerjust as I was going to as conch about the rest of Tech Team stuff!20:02
pinnerbut I think it is in hand:20:02
jacob22PRESENT I had another meeting to attend.20:03
lacoh yes .. PRESENT20:03
pinnerADSL being ordered for CBSO Centre and Conservatoire20:03
pinnerwe've looked at the CBSO centre, we have nearly all of it on Friday20:03
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pinnerbut we can't have the big hall on Saturday20:04
CMooneyApologies for lateness.20:04
pinnerbut there aren't any spring bookings on the wiki anyway20:04
pinnerhello jacob22, hello CMooney20:04
moreati*sprint20:04
nickbookeri'm off.  see you all...20:05
zethWith the CBSO, it is very musically themed conference!20:05
zethnickbooker: bye!20:05
pinnerCMooney: status of audio recording? Have you spoken with Jim (AV man)20:05
pinnernickbooker: bye20:05
tartleynickbooker: bye20:06
zethCMooney: I have one of the audio recorders and some high visability jack to jack cables20:06
CMooneyAs before. Have not yet spoken to him. I will do it tomorrow, we need at least two more recording things.20:06
CMooneyWe can either get more digital audio recorders like the ones we have at the moment, or rent some equipment from Jim. I'll find out prices and email them to the list tomorrow.20:07
pinnerCMooney: 2? We have 4 surely? so we'd need 1?20:07
CMooneyThere are simultaenous tracks on Tuesday. So may be worth renting one bit of kit for one day, and buying a recorder for the rest of the conference.20:07
zethWe have 4 including John Pinner's own personal one20:08
CMooneyThere are *6* simultanous tracks on Tuesday (sorry)20:08
CMooneyAh! Didn't realise that!20:08
CMooneyThen we have 5 recorders, so we need one extra.20:08
zethWe have 420:08
CMooneyAgain, if we rent, just do it for one day.20:08
zethWe have to do EuroPython for two years20:08
moreatiSo buy one, rent another for just the Tuesday20:08
zethand there is PyConUK day20:09
pinnerCMooney: depends on rental cost then20:09
zethso if the price of rental is high20:09
zeththen buy instead20:09
zethhowever20:09
zethdo we really have to record everything?20:09
CMooneypinner yup.20:09
zethWhy not just record we can edit20:09
zethWhy not just record what we can edit20:09
pinneryes, FYI everyone we're having a PyCon UK one day unconference on September 5th at the CBSO Centre20:09
CMooneyNo, but usually things don't get recorded, so by default attempting to record everything and then we have fewer losses.20:10
zethI mean, for the day with 6 rooms, just record 5 rooms20:10
pinnerzeth: let's see costs first20:10
CMooneyDepends on rental. We can make a better decision once I've done that.20:10
CMooneyActually my MP3/OGG player has a line in.....20:10
pinnerACTION CMooney to get costs for hiring recorder from Titan Films20:10
CMooneyand records.20:10
zethCMooney: for PyCconUK we never promises to actually produce any recording20:11
zethI think we should keep it the same20:11
pinnerAny more on Tech Team?20:11
zethWe produce files if they happen to work20:11
zethand if someone can be bothered to edit them20:11
moreatipinner nothing I can think of20:11
zethif people cannot miss a talk then come to the conference and sit in it20:11
pinnerIDEA Have PyWm Meeting early next week to sort these outstanding things (discuss outside this meeting)20:12
pinnerTOPIC Sponsorship20:12
zethIDEA have PYWM meeting in Selly Oak ;)20:12
pinnerzeth: if you wish, there's a good pub in Selly Park, don't know about Selly Oak20:12
pinnerMicrosoft have no money and can't sponsor us20:13
pinnerSame with Canonical20:13
pinnerbut MS are giving us an Xbox and Dell Studio laptop20:13
zethwell how about Kings Heath, since it is easy to get to from here and has interesting significance ;)20:14
pinnerand fuzzyman and I have discussed what to do with the laptop20:14
pinnerand we suggest we raffle it to raise funds20:14
zethdestroy it in WHO-style conference opening?20:14
pinnermore useful than awarding it as a prize20:14
moreatipinner I'm okay with that20:14
CMooneyGood idea.20:15
pinneris everyone else OK with that?20:15
zethpinner: comes on stage and destroys the laptop, then we say welcome to Europython ?20:15
zethraffle is fine too ;)20:15
fuzzyman+1 raffle20:15
tartleyvery tempting, but +1 raffle20:16
pinnerOK, we haven't had a vote yet...20:16
zethwell maybe we find something else to destroy in the opening ;)20:16
tartleyawww. I'm being oppressed!20:16
lacIt's a fine machine and you can run linux on it, so why ruin it?20:16
moreatipinner no vote necessary I think20:16
pinnerVOTE Raffle Microsoft laptop to raise funds20:16
tartley+!20:16
tartley+120:16
lac+120:17
zeth_ + 120:17
pinnerah, started...20:17
fuzzyman+120:17
moreati+120:17
pinner+120:17
pinnerENDVOTE20:17
pinnerDECISION Microsoft's donated laptop to be raffled to raise funds20:17
pinnerWe may yet get MS and Canonical decisions reversed, but it's unlikely20:17
CMooneyAny chance of being cheeky and asking current sponors to up what they have already given??20:18
pinnerAlso we're expecting some sponsorship (not much) from Ableton20:18
pinnerCMooney: probably not politic20:18
zeththese companies seem to be having confidence crises20:18
pinnerAnd we haven't had an answer from Qt20:18
zethSo can we have a quick summary of budget type thing?20:19
moreatiCMooney: we don't want to seem too much like students ;)20:19
zethAre we likely to break even?20:19
pinnerdboddie_office: any feedback from Qt on sponsorship?20:19
pinnerzeth: possibly, depending on final numbers20:19
zethDo we have a break even number of delegates?20:20
pinnerzeth: look on admin wiki for budget, it's reasonable up-to-date20:20
zethcool20:20
pinnerexcept that invited speaker expense are not shown20:20
lacwe've got a cushion of money in the bank from prior EPs, so nobody worry too much.20:21
moreatiI'll punch some numbers into the spreadsheet this evening and post to the list20:21
lacThis is unfortunate, but not a disaster.20:21
pinnerso without more sponsorship and delegates, we're likely £3k out20:21
dboddie_officepinner: No. Sorry. I've had encounters in the hallway, but no words of substance were exchanged.20:21
pinnermoreati: it's reasonable up to date (last Saturday I think)20:21
dboddie_officepinner: I'll send a reminder e-mail.20:21
pinnerdboddie_office: thanks, great.20:21
pinnerACTION pinner and moreati to update budget as costs come in20:22
zethhow much contribution to fixed costs do we make from a delegate?20:22
zethIf we get 20 or 30 more?20:23
pinnerACTION dboddie_office to email sponsor reminder to Qt man20:23
moreatizeth: look at the spreadsheet yourself or wait until I post something later this evening please20:23
pinnerzeth: say £90 per full delegate20:23
dboddie_officepinner: DONE!20:23
pinnerzeth: zero for speakers and concessions20:24
pinnerdboddie_office: Speedy Gonzalez!20:24
pinnerthe big extra cost is the sprints, as there is no income for these, ie sprinters do not pay20:25
Mezzeth: mass pings are bad20:25
* pboddie is off! Will read the log later.20:25
pinnerand we have no idea how many there will be, so judging from Vilnius, loads of people wanted to sprint20:25
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fuzzymanI'm staying for sprints20:25
fuzzymannot sure which ones though20:26
pinnerTOPIC Social Programme20:26
zethMez: condition of the channel, read the small print, we still own your guns20:26
pinnerIn hand by the Three Musketeers20:26
* Mez slaps zethj20:26
pinnerbut no response yet from partners20:26
pinnerprobably because the geeks haven't told their SOHs20:27
moreatiI must go also I'm afraid.20:27
moreati Night all20:27
CMooneynight moreati20:27
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pinnerAnd we've confirmed booking of Australian Bar for Monday and Tuesday evenings20:27
tartleyby moreati20:28
tartleyoh20:28
pinnerOnly extra thing I think is a guide to local attractions and hostelries, and I think they've done most of that for the Partners Programme20:29
CMooneyI'm well chuffed with the partners programme, shame no one has signed up. Maybe one of those things that gets organised at the conference?20:29
zethSo with a publicity push, we might be able to get 30-40 more delegates20:29
pinnerYes, their Red Shirts should help, and we can push it at the Tutorials and the Opening Session20:29
lacI think that nobody has heard of the partners program.20:29
pinnerlac: they can't have read their email then!20:30
CMooneylac: Understanable as the geeks other halves, would not have received the email!20:30
pinnerlac: it was posted on the europython list20:31
zethMaybe we can send it again20:31
zethand put it in the blog20:31
lacmaybe they cannot find how to sign up from the website.20:31
lacand need to navigate from there.20:31
zethmaybe fuzzyman could twitter it? Since I think that is how most the the delegates hear things ?20:31
pinnerACTION Blog the Partners Programme20:31
fuzzymanI'm happy to tweet pretty much anything - but only a small proportion of delegates will see that20:32
CMooneysimpler sign up process, ie emphasise emailing my Mum rather than having to register on a wiki20:32
pinnerACTION pinner to email delegates with partners booked20:32
pinneryes, post said mail Mary, but we couldn't really say that in a blog I think20:33
zethokay well we can make a blog post, and then you can tweet the link to that perhaps20:33
fuzzymanyes20:33
fuzzymanas should all twitterers here20:33
zethyep20:33
pinnerand we'll reflect it on the EP Twitter20:33
zethwe should also put it on the front page20:34
zethof the site20:34
pinnerACTION Tweeters to tweet partners programme20:34
pinnerACTION pinner to put PP on site home page20:34
pinnerTOPIC Any Other Business20:34
pinnerNone from me20:34
tartleyme20:35
tartleyOne problem: My wife registered for tutorials only (no conference). She has a confirmation email, but scarily does not appear in the django tutorial delegates database. Zeth is helping me fix this for her, but obviously the issue is that we may have dropped other people through the cracks. Is there any way to tell?20:35
dboddie_officeWho manages the europython mailing list?20:35
zethI think partner is about to program me out of here.20:35
fuzzymanhehe20:35
lacI manage the ep list20:35
dboddie_officelac: Wu sent a mail about travel arrangements that may be stuck in your inbox. :-)20:35
pinnerdboddie_office: lac, ghum, pinner, faassen20:36
pinnertartley: when did she register?20:36
dboddie_officelac: I see it's already in the archive!20:36
tartleyah20:36
lacno pending europython mails to approve20:37
tartleyonly yesterday. I thought it was longer ago than that.20:37
tartley(or at least her confirm email came through yesterday)20:37
lacI only got the confirm today.20:37
pinnertartley: the list I gave zeth was produced before. Have to do another!20:37
zethtartley: I just added her to a list and added it to the system20:37
zethshe should be in now20:37
zethshe should have the email now20:38
pinnerACTION pinner to update tutorial delegate list to zeth20:38
zethcool20:38
tartleyzeth: thanks.20:38
zethkeep throwing them at me20:38
tartleypinner: I see. No danger of dropping people then. I am relieved.20:38
Wudboddie_office: the mail arrived without problems, seems it got stuck for a while, probably some greylisting or something20:39
pinnertartley: (touching wood) the system seems reliable20:39
Wu(or perhaps lac approving them manually)20:39
lacI approve them manually, but fairly frequently.20:40
lacI first saw the travel suggestions at 7 a.m or something like that.20:40
lacmade one, too ...20:40
pinnersometimes people post to the ep list without first subscribing: it's an open list, so they can subscribe (unlike europython-contact, for example)20:40
pinnerAny more AOB?20:41
lacyes.20:41
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lactobias rundström20:41
lacif he arrives in the airport at 9.55 can he make an 11.45 talk?20:41
pinnerlac: yes20:42
zethwhich airport?20:42
zethBirmingham airport should be okay20:42
lache is coming from sweden, so the big one20:42
pinneris it his talk, though? 'cos that's not conducive to a relaxed speaker20:42
lacit is20:42
lacbut he has a problem.  He has a 30 minute talk at 10.0020:43
lacI propose we move that to the last day after the Vim plugin talk20:43
tartleyI feel bad though. He asked to not be on the 1st ages ago, and I thought we had honoured that. I must have messed up when I checked through all the accumulated constraints one last time on you guys final schedule, towards the very end of the process20:43
lacbut there are no later 45 minute slots than what he already has 11.45 on the 1st20:43
fuzzymanlac: when you say the big one you do mean the *Birmingham* big one right?20:44
fuzzymannot one of the London big ones...20:44
lacyes the birmingham big one20:44
fuzzyman:-)20:44
lacso we could give him a 45 slot in open space land on the 2nd20:45
lacas an alternate.20:45
tartleyI think that might be better, do you think the room can accomodate his expected audience?20:45
zethif I arrived at Birmingham international at 9.55, and my bag came through alright, I personally could make it20:45
zethat 11.4520:46
zethhowever there is no time to get lost20:46
pinnerlac: we have the slot Andy Robinson has vacated on Day 1 which we can juggle with20:46
CMooneyAs long as he gets on the train he can't go far wrong. However if one of us (me?) meets him at the station we could make sure that he doesn't wander into the town centre.20:47
zethCMooney: too much bother20:47
pinnerlac: the Open Space room is quite small, we've changed it to the Band Room to make it more accessible, about 30 people20:47
lacok, then swap mashing up the guardian with andy's vacted slot20:47
zethCMooney: you cannot stand in new street all day waiting for people20:47
lacand schedule his 45 minute talk in LR1 at 9.3020:48
lachow  is that for a proposal?20:48
zethSo I think we are done as a group?20:48
zethdifferent people can chat, but I think we can declare the meeting over?20:48
pinnerlac: looks good to me20:48
lachis second talk then at 11.30 again in LR120:48
pinnerzeth: yes, if there's no more AOB, I'll count to 30...20:49
lacwhen you make the change let me know and I will mail him.20:49
tartleythat looks good i think20:49
pinnerTOPIC Next Meeting20:49
lacsame bat time, same bat channel!20:49
pinnerSame time tuesday June 23rd, OK20:49
lacI will be late.20:49
tartleyok20:49
zethnight all20:50
CMooneynight, mmMMMM dinner.20:50
lacnight all and take care20:50
CMooneyBye.20:50
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pinnerDECISION Next meeting Tuesday June 23rd 17:00 BST, 18:00 CEST20:50
pinner#endmeeting20:50
pinner'night all20:50
zethpinner: you got your 3G card?20:50
zethpinner: I thought we would be in the pub then?20:50
tartleybye all20:50
zethwith PyWM?20:51
zethanyway work it out via email20:51
pinnerzeth: yes, using it now, because of their network security20:51
pinnerzeth: on Tuesday? we haven't made a decision, let's talk later this week20:51
zethok20:52
tartleybye all20:52
tartleythanks again zeth20:52
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* pinner needs to go, before Amadeus security complain!20:52
pinnerthanks all!20:52
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mattiUH.21:20
mattiI am tired.21:20
mattiToo much to do.21:20
* dboddie_office knows how matti feels.21:33
mattiDo you?21:34
mattiAre you over-worked, lonely geek from Poland living in quite hostile country? ;]21:34
mattiI dobut it ;]21:34
matti;p21:34
mattiMy brain is melting from hot and amount of utterly stupid meetings with sales people.21:35
mattiIs there is such a thing like stupidity, then it was originally developed in sales department somewhere.21:35
matti;]21:35
mattiEngineering vs Sales.21:36
mattiGod. Kill me.21:36
matti;21:36
dboddie_officeWhat do you consider to be "hostile"?21:39
mattiTry to be from Poland and live in the UK ;]21:40
matti;D21:40
mattiBelieve me, that's not easy ;p21:40
mattiEven thought I am a software engineer and physicist.21:40
* dboddie_office sympathizes21:41
mattiPeople treat you like... [ add random unpleasant word you can think of... excluding colour pink... ] all the time ;]21:41
mattiBut hey!21:41
mattiNobody gives a monkey about others ;]21:42
mattiThat is the beauty of the modern society, isnt it? ;21:42
mattiSorry for whining.21:42
dboddie_office:-(21:42
mattiI had very loooooooooong day.21:42
mattiAnd after few hours in the same room with sales people.21:42
dboddie_officeThere are probably combinations of countries to be from and to live in. :-)21:42
dboddie_officeAre they all English sales people?21:42
mattiTrying to convince entire engineering that "new catchy" names for our software and so superb... I want to go outside and cry.21:43
mattiNot, not all of them.21:43
mattiBut sales people share common thing among themselves.21:43
mattiTheir midset.21:44
matti;d21:44
mattis/midset/mindset/21:44
mattiAnyway...21:44
mattiBecause of this I havent wrote a line of code today and... this means more work tomorrow.21:44
mattiWohooo...21:44
mattiExciting!21:44
matti;D21:44
* matti cries silently in the corner...21:44
dboddie_officeIt could be worse. You could be working with Marketing people.21:45
* dboddie_office hides21:45
mattiI do!21:45
* matti pokes dboddie_office with a pointed stick.21:45
matti;D21:45
dboddie_officeOr lawyers...21:46
mattiOh God now.21:46
mattiStop.21:46
mattiPain.21:46
mattiHorror.21:46
matti:(21:46
* matti is about to poke his own eyes out.21:46
mattiI remember today.21:46
mattiMy colleague asked one of the sales peope... a girl... quite good looking as well.21:47
matti"what do you do all day in your department"21:47
mattiAnd em, she want back to him...21:47
matti"we do stuff"21:47
mattiI could help myself and stop laughing.21:47
matti;d21:47
mattiCouldn't21:48
mattiGod I cant spell today.21:48
matti;]21:49
mattiAnyway...21:49
mattiIts all unicorns and rainbow as I am back to my lovely empty flat.21:49
mattiWith nobody to talk to.21:49
mattiWell... besides my plant ;]21:49
dboddie_officeIt looks like there's a break in the weather here, so perhaps I should call it a day.21:50
mattiGood choice Sir!21:50
mattiEnjoy your evening ;]21:50
dboddie_officeAnd you!21:51
mattiThank you.21:51
SafPlusPlusI haven't seen one around, but is there a more hires version of the europython logo around?22:51

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