IRC log of #europython for Wednesday, 2009-04-22

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pboddielac: How is everything going? You're going to PyCon Italia, too, aren't you?19:16
laceverything is going fairly well.  I am going to take a few days of  vacation in Italy, around PyCon Italia.19:22
lacwe're also going to make a major product release and start selling our stuff as a service to end user customers19:23
lacso things are crazy, but then what else is new19:23
lachow are things with you?19:23
pboddieFairly busy.19:25
pboddieHave been rather out of the EP loop, but I suppose things are getting done.19:25
pboddieAt least that's what I gather from reading the logs. ;-)19:25
lacJohn has been working extremely hard.19:26
lacand we have tons of talks this year.19:26
lacI think too many, myself19:26
pboddieI don't envy John, really. I wouldn't want to organise EP on the ground.19:26
lacHe's good at this sort of thing, and does it for PyCON UK, and LinuxExpo and other things19:27
pboddieBut having more talks than the last two years is a real change. I thought we didn't have enough.19:27
LarstiQlurking I gather variety is a problem though.19:27
lac86 talks and tutorials now.19:28
lacyes, very heavy on testing this year19:28
pboddieI haven't really got a good overview of the talk selection - I guess europython-talks is a discontinued list now, so I can't check that for more details.19:28
LarstiQI wonder what is to be said about testing, I've been disappointed in the testing talks I've glanced at in Vilnius19:29
pboddieBut I think that there's a vocal Web/testing/packaging contingent in the Python community that expands to fill all space if allowed to.19:29
pboddieIf you browse my Python Papers article, you'll see that I don't exactly favour the "mainstream" talk topics, either, really.19:30
* LarstiQ nods19:32
* pboddie worries that the PyPy team might be upset that he did not choose any of their talks amongst the picks19:32
* pboddie does not worry so much that GvR's keynote didn't make it into his favourites, however19:33
lacthe TIP list (testing in python)19:33
lachas gone nuts with discussion, cross polination, and the like.19:34
lacso some of the talks come from this.19:34
* pboddie is blissfully unaware of the TIP list19:34
lacI don't think that the PyPy people mind.  They only had one talk, after all.19:34
pboddieThere's always a risk of repetition, although PyPy seems to be on a roll again after the last sprint.19:35
pboddieEven GvR made light of his Py3K keynotes at PyCon, I note.19:35
LarstiQheh :)19:38
lacthe Jit has been making steady progress.  Unfortunately its not the sort of thing that you can talk about.19:38
LarstiQI must say the three versions I saw of the py3k talks _were_ different, but yes.19:38
pboddieMaybe it's a publicity thing - I always worry about that. That we don't interest the right people.19:38
lac30 percent of the new JIT is integrated, we still don't know how fast it is, 42%  of the new JIT is .... and so on and so forth makes for boring commentary19:39
lacthe other thing is that everybody in the PyPy team likes writing code about 5000 times as much as making a release19:39
lacwe need to attract somebody who likes  making releases.  They must exsit somewhere ...19:40
pboddieI would have been interested in getting the ShedSkin guy along to EP at some point, thinking of alternative Python-like implementations.19:40
pboddieI thought the VM panel at PyCon was a bit narrow-minded when half the fun is surely in investigating the boundaries of what Python is, not setting every last dodgy detail in concrete and trying to make it go fast.19:41
lacyes, the shedskin guy would be very interesting19:42
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pboddieI mean, Michael Salib of Starkiller fame seemed like a good bloke and everything, but Mark Dufour has stuck with the idea, at least.19:43
* LarstiQ likes making releases19:43
pboddieSeeing if something has merit is what it's all about.19:43
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* lac points LarstiQ at the #pypy channel19:44
lacHi marius.19:44
LarstiQlac: I am however, as everyone, chronically short on time.19:44
pboddieLarstiQ knows it's safe to declare such things in the appropriate channel.19:44
mgedminhi lac19:44
LarstiQmgedmin: .se?19:44
mgedminyup19:44
lacHe's working for us this week.  Lucky us.19:45
LarstiQaah :)19:45
pboddiemgedmin: Not defected to Sony Ericsson, then? ;-)19:45
LarstiQhahaha19:45
* mgedmin prefers Python's syntax to Erlang's19:45
zethPoo I missed yet another meeting yesterday20:48
zeththat is two in a row20:48
pboddieBad Zeth!21:02
pboddieAnyway, I'm sure you'll catch up with everything.21:05
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laczeth: hope life goes well with you21:26
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