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| ghum | is NOW the meeting? | 19:17 |
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| ghum | or did I stumble accross time zones again... | 19:17 |
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| ghum | hELLO AGAIn | 19:46 |
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| pinner | Good evening, is anyone here? | 20:01 |
| ghum | Mese is | 20:01 |
| pinner | Hello Harald | 20:01 |
| ghum | indeed, mese here since 1800 cet by mixing up time zones :) | 20:01 |
| ghum | Welcome John | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | Here - but just grabbing a coffee back in five | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | Hello all | 20:02 |
| pinner | Hi Michael | 20:03 |
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| qwright | Hello all!! | 20:04 |
| pinner | Hello Q | 20:04 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | hi all. | 20:04 |
| pinner | Hello Jonathan | 20:04 |
| qwright | Hi Jonathan | 20:04 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | hey Q. | 20:04 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | hey John | 20:04 |
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| pinner | Hello Nick, like I haven't seen you today ;) | 20:05 |
| pinner | I don't think we'll be getting many more today, so shall we start? | 20:09 |
| pinner | MrTopf has sent his apologies, anyone else? | 20:09 |
| * nickbooker shouts "yes" across the office | 20:09 | |
| qwright | shall we start???? | 20:10 |
| pinner | OK, Item 2: Actions from Last Meeting | 20:10 |
| pinner | I think most things were done | 20:10 |
| pinner | except that the wiki style has not been done | 20:10 |
| pinner | The announcement went out, thanks to Martin Hellwig | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | Back - sorry about that | 20:11 |
| pinner | and Zeth has done the talk submission form | 20:11 |
| pinner | mal was active in trying to get the europython.org sorted, but Herr Reulbach wants to keep it. | 20:12 |
| pinner | Any more action on that will have to wait for Laura, I think | 20:12 |
| pinner | SO, Item3: wiki | 20:13 |
| pinner | has anyone looked at the new headings? | 20:13 |
| pinner | do you think they're OK | 20:13 |
| pinner | ??? | 20:13 |
| qwright | yes - seems OK to me, I looked at a few other conference wikis and we have more and better tabs than they did | 20:14 |
| fuzzyman | Yeah, looks fine | 20:16 |
| qwright | take a look at wiki.europython.eu | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | It's not linked to from the main page yet, right | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | I like the 'before-during-after' layout | 20:16 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: No, I was waiting for some decent styling | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | They should all be llinked to from the main page as well | 20:17 |
| fuzzyman | the styling could be worse :-) | 20:17 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: it was ;) | 20:17 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | what are we expecting from styling over and above what is already there? | 20:17 |
| nickbooker | headings are ok. | 20:18 |
| pinner | Jonathan_Hartley: to make it consistent with the main site, as well as look better. | 20:18 |
| pinner | I got the wiki.python.org theme software and ccs and TheSheep is looking at it. | 20:19 |
| fuzzyman | right | 20:19 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | well it all looks splendid to me. | 20:20 |
| pinner | So if we're broadly happy with the headings we need to start seeding it. | 20:20 |
| qwright | so are we saying that the wiki will have entries down the side rather than tabs at the top?? | 20:20 |
| fuzzyman | do we have / need a sprint co- ordinator? | 20:20 |
| pinner | and the best people to get started with this might be zeth (with stuff from PyConUK) and pboddie (with EP-sepcific things) | 20:21 |
| fuzzyman | or have they been self organzing at previous EuroPythons | 20:21 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: Item 6, Sprints | 20:21 |
| pinner | but zeth and pboddie are not here... | 20:21 |
| fuzzyman | I was thinking that if we have a coordinator then that person can seed the content in that section... | 20:21 |
| pinner | ... so the best thing we can do is put them in the Action column on this ;) | 20:22 |
| fuzzyman | wagreed :-) | 20:22 |
| pinner | OK, so let's say that individual co-ordinators (eg talks, keynotes, sprints) should take overall responsibility for their bit of the wiki. | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | sounds sensible | 20:24 |
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| pinner | so let's give them that responsibility as they volunteer | 20:24 |
| pinner | hello martin | 20:24 |
| Martin_Hellwig | hi guys, sorry I am late | 20:25 |
| Martin_Hellwig | just got back from the hospital | 20:25 |
| Martin_Hellwig | not born yet though | 20:25 |
| pinner | so we can move onto Item 4: Talks | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | are we live yet? | 20:25 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: how's your wife? | 20:25 |
| Martin_Hellwig | very pregnant :-) | 20:25 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | cool | 20:26 |
| pinner | Talks: We need someone to take organisational responsibility | 20:26 |
| qwright | what does that mean?? | 20:27 |
| pinner | ie, for recruiting speakers, making schedules, etc | 20:27 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | I'm not considering it, since i don't want to over-promise, but it doesn't sound hard... for the sake of discussion, what's the catch with this role? | 20:28 |
| pinner | organising speakers is like herding cats | 20:28 |
| fuzzyman | it could make use of your spreadsheet prowess for the scheduling JB | 20:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | har. it doesn't sound unappealing, but like I say, I'm concerned about over-committing. | 20:29 |
| qwright | we use traditional methods for the scheduling - that's easy | 20:29 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I am happy to assist, but I need guidance | 20:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | will it have much overlap timewise with the audio stuff I already volunteered for? I'm imagining audio will peak near and during the conference | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | I'm also happy to help with this | 20:30 |
| dreimark | moin | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | does the scheduler need to be based in Brum for access to the white board? | 20:30 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: no, it's not Brum-specific | 20:31 |
| qwright | well it's really just a blitzing session at a well-defined time | 20:31 |
| pinner | I believe other parts of the world have boards as well | 20:31 |
| fuzzyman | not this part - south of brum we've gone electronic | 20:31 |
| pinner | The main thing just now is to drum up speakers | 20:31 |
| qwright | paper, scissors and a large table | 20:31 |
| pinner | and we can all do that | 20:31 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I believe the City went electronic | 20:32 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I am more then happy to run around during the days, I might even be useful and carry something :-) | 20:32 |
| pinner | For now, let's all contact potential speakers | 20:33 |
| qwright | the hard part is having some feel for the different capabilities of potential speakers and the areas of expertise | 20:33 |
| fuzzyman | do we have a list of last years PyCon UK and EuroPython speakers | 20:33 |
| pinner | I will try Russel Winder, Mark Summerfield, Steve Holden and anyone else I can think of. | 20:34 |
| qwright | we'll get some good offers at the beginning - then the gaps will need to be filled in | 20:34 |
| fuzzyman | we could do a round of spam inviting them all | 20:34 |
| pinner | Anyone else to chase? | 20:34 |
| qwright | or even an invitation!? | 20:34 |
| fuzzyman | I can contact the PyPy guys | 20:34 |
| pinner | we need the PyPy for a sprint as well | 20:34 |
| fuzzyman | and the Resolver folk :-) | 20:34 |
| fuzzyman | people like James Tauber | 20:35 |
| fuzzyman | who is a Django man | 20:35 |
| qwright | we could dig out the lists | 20:35 |
| qwright | Resolver will volunteer without being asked (smile!) | 20:35 |
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| CMooney | My apologies for being late. Had trouble with the house electrics. | 20:37 |
| nickbooker | Hi Ciarán | 20:37 |
| pinner | OK, let's put our ideas on the wiki. | 20:38 |
| pinner | I've created an IdeasForTalks page, linked to from the Organisers page | 20:38 |
| qwright | Hi Ciaran - Sparkie for the time-being? | 20:38 |
| fuzzyman | cool | 20:38 |
| CMooney | Not quite. :) | 20:39 |
| * pedronis is lurking | 20:39 | |
| pinner | Hello Samuele! | 20:39 |
| pedronis | hello | 20:39 |
| qwright | Why don't we do a bulk e-mail and then share out the follow-ups | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: sounds sensible | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | Zeth handled that last year and we would need the list of EuroPython speakers as well | 20:41 |
| fuzzyman | who can get that information? | 20:41 |
| qwright | we have all the info here | 20:41 |
| pinner | qwright: we can use the lists of speakers for EP and PyConUK, also UKUUG | 20:41 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I have it, I'll create a list if someone writes the words. | 20:41 |
| fuzzyman | I can fire an example email to the committee list and you can improve on it | 20:42 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: thanks. | 20:43 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: you'll be on the Action List :-) | 20:43 |
| fuzzyman | I deny everything | 20:43 |
| pinner | OK, so let's leave talks for tonight: let's aim to get it out by the end of next week, when people are back to work | 20:44 |
| pinner | Item 5: Keynotes | 20:44 |
| pinner | I've had no response from Tony Hoare/Microsoft yet, although he has been asked. | 20:45 |
| fuzzyman | Cory Doctrow has agreed to do one on the 30th | 20:45 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: anything from Jim Hugunin? | 20:45 |
| fuzzyman | no response from Michael | 20:45 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: that's good, quite early to have big name keynote booked | 20:45 |
| fuzzyman | should I contact the IP guys personally as well? | 20:46 |
| fuzzyman | I didn't want them to be bombarded with requests | 20:46 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes, definitely | 20:46 |
| pinner | I can't imagine ML bombarding them | 20:47 |
| fuzzyman | ok - not hopeful about Jim but we may get one of the other guys for a talk | 20:47 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 20:47 |
| pinner | So, at this stage keynotes are reasonably under control | 20:47 |
| pinner | Keynote Actions: fuzzyman to ask JimH (not hopeful) pinner to chase Tony Hoare, then let's see where we are next meeting | 20:49 |
| pinner | OK? | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | OK | 20:49 |
| pinner | Item 6: Sprints | 20:49 |
| pinner | Here we've had a problem at PyCon UK in the past, not attracting sprinters, and not having a sprint history here | 20:50 |
| fuzzyman | yup | 20:50 |
| pinner | We must have an idea of what's needed well in advance, to get the rooms for the sprinters | 20:51 |
| CMooney | How about having a few preliminary projects suggested or allocated time at the conference arranged before the conference then? | 20:51 |
| pinner | pedronis: are we likely to have a PyPy spring this year? | 20:51 |
| pedronis | yes | 20:52 |
| pinner | CMooney: we can have a goo at seeding some sprints, but it really has to come from the projects, not the conference organisers | 20:52 |
| pinner | pedronis: good!, so we have one sprint :-) | 20:52 |
| fuzzyman | what other projects sprinted at EuroPy thiis year | 20:53 |
| fuzzyman | ? | 20:53 |
| fuzzyman | it would be nice to have a few confirmed | 20:53 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: pass | 20:53 |
| CMooney | Once we have a list of speakers, a few will be part of projects. Ask them if they'd like to head a sprint? | 20:53 |
| qwright | Django would seem to offer possibilities+ | 20:53 |
| pinner | I think we could get a Django sprint with a lot of trouble, certainly if Jacob Kaplan-Moss comes | 20:54 |
| pinner | I'll ask him | 20:54 |
| pinner | with->without | 20:54 |
| pinner | maybe we should be asking the potential speakers when we mail them? | 20:55 |
| fuzzyman | I'll add that to the email | 20:55 |
| CMooney | That'd be a good idea. | 20:55 |
| nickbooker | +1 | 20:55 |
| pinner | and ask on the EP list: put a wiki page up first and tell them to put themselves down | 20:56 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | is there a channel we could set up or funnel people towards, for attendees to propose sprints in advance, to drum up or guage interest? | 20:56 |
| pinner | pedronis: will you be co-ordinating the PyPy sprint? | 20:57 |
| pinner | Jonathan_Hartley: wik.europython.eu/Sprints | 20:57 |
| CMooney | What day are the sprints planned to take place on? | 20:58 |
| pedronis | pinner: don't know | 20:59 |
| pinner | CMooney: From Friday for as long as needed, see europython.eu | 21:00 |
| pedronis | we have some sprints before europython, so that's sort of far for us | 21:00 |
| pinner | pedronis: OK, I've not put you down as co-ordinator ;) | 21:01 |
| pinner | Ok, something is happening on sprints, fuzzyman will put something in the speaker mail, and we'll ask the ep list as well | 21:02 |
| fuzzyman | I think we should target some projects - | 21:03 |
| pinner | Item 7: Publicity/Announcement | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | but wait and see if we get any response from the email | 21:03 |
| pinner | Martin got the main things out, thanks Martin | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | I'm getting us onto some Microsofty calendar thingies | 21:04 |
| pinner | But we need something on python.org, pycon.org, wiki.python.org | 21:04 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: good | 21:04 |
| pinner | the pycon.org things is very out-of-date as I remember | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | do we want the python.org / pycon.org blogs now? I can contact some pydotorg guys and ask them to do a blog announcement | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | we'll need wording | 21:05 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: yes, why don't you and Martin do the wording? | 21:06 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 21:06 |
| pinner | and we can do with another announcement now that the Talks Submission is up | 21:07 |
| fuzzyman | announcement on our blog? | 21:07 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: OK to do the words with fuzzyman? | 21:07 |
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| Jonathan_Hartley | I could post up the blog announcement. I guess it makes sense to share the verbiage from the other announcements, or does that not matter so much? | 21:08 |
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| pinner | Jonathan_Hartley: the text need not be the same, but any facts need to be accurate. | 21:09 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | pinner: understood. I will liase and post then. | 21:10 |
| pinner | Let's move onto Sponsorship | 21:10 |
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| pinner | Jonathan_Hartley: thanks | 21:10 |
| pinner | Sponsorship: Being handled by Q and Martin I think | 21:11 |
| qwright | I'll aim to get a near-final draft brochure out by the 7th Jan | 21:11 |
| pinner | How is the Sponsorship brochure? | 21:11 |
| qwright | We need better photos, but it can go out with what we've gon | 21:12 |
| qwright | got not gon | 21:12 |
| CMooney | what do you need better photo's of? | 21:12 |
| qwright | Brum | 21:12 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | <stop that laughing!> | 21:13 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 21:13 |
| qwright | Also a speaker or two - John found one which is now on the web-site | 21:13 |
| qwright | We have sponsor contact details for this year for pyconuk but not for europython | 21:15 |
| * pinner is just talking with Q about phoning potential sponsors before we send a brochure to them | 21:15 | |
| pinner | qwright: jacob22 is the man for EP sponsor contacts | 21:16 |
| qwright | thanks | 21:16 |
| pinner | OK, so a release candidate Sponsors' Brochure will be available by 7th Jan, and if you have potential sponsors please contact them personally | 21:17 |
| pinner | Any other business before we confirm the next meeting date? | 21:17 |
| qwright | I still need to talk to the Conservatoire about bandwidth | 21:18 |
| pinner | qwright: let's go for a triple- or quadruple- bonded line. We'll need it if MrTopf has his way. | 21:19 |
| qwright | Also take a look at http://rubyconf2008.confreaks.com/keynote.html for a good video | 21:20 |
| pinner | Next Meeting: if we keep to current scheduling, 1800 GMT on Tuesday 13th January, is that OK with everyone? | 21:20 |
| qwright | Have agenda items for Technical | 21:20 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | good for me | 21:21 |
| qwright | Also financial/ budget on agenda? | 21:21 |
| nickbooker | yep | 21:21 |
| fuzzyman | ok for me | 21:21 |
| qwright | +1 | 21:21 |
| pinner | OK, that's agreed then. | 21:21 |
| pinner | Thanks, everyone, and a Hppy New Year to you all. | 21:22 |
| ghum | HNY to every1 | 21:22 |
| nickbooker | happy new year | 21:22 |
| qwright | Happy New Year!! | 21:22 |
| pinner | Let's hope it's prosperous as well | 21:22 |
| pinner | but I have my doubts... | 21:22 |
| fuzzyman | :-) | 21:22 |
| CMooney | Bah! I eat credit crunch for breakfast. | 21:22 |
| pinner | Good night! | 21:23 |
| pedronis | Bye | 21:23 |
| nickbooker | bye all | 21:23 |
| qwright | Byeeeeeeeee | 21:23 |
| ghum | b<eb<e | 21:23 |
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| Jonathan_Hartley | bye | 21:24 |
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| CMooney | Night night people! | 21:39 |
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