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| zeth | Afternoon all | 17:19 |
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| MrTopf | Hi zeth | 17:20 |
| MrTopf | that reminds me that I wanted to post to the list... | 17:20 |
| MrTopf | as twitter and blog should be on the homepage | 17:20 |
| zeth | what are the urls to them? | 17:20 |
| MrTopf | http://twitter.com/europython | 17:21 |
| zeth | I found europython twitter | 17:21 |
| MrTopf | http://europython.wordpress.com | 17:21 |
| MrTopf | it would also be good to have some subscribe button there | 17:21 |
| MrTopf | always good to have some call to action on such a page so people can sign up to something and get reminded automatically | 17:21 |
| MrTopf | like blog posts via email | 17:22 |
| MrTopf | I can provider some HTML snippet for it | 17:23 |
| MrTopf | and I can also make some nice buttons for the page later | 17:23 |
| MrTopf | actually this is the email link: http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/emailverifySubmit?feedId=1717724&loc=en_US | 17:24 |
| zeth | I added the links to http://www.europython.eu/ in a superficial way | 17:28 |
| zeth | I am only getting used to it | 17:28 |
| zeth | so have to think about before doing something posher | 17:28 |
| MrTopf | are there docs on how to do that? :) | 17:28 |
| zeth | yeah | 17:29 |
| zeth | probably | 17:29 |
| zeth | if you give me the HTML snippet I can add it | 17:29 |
| MrTopf | well, for now I only have the link above | 17:36 |
| MrTopf | you can use this and name it "subscribe to e-mail newsletter" maybe | 17:36 |
| MrTopf | and maybe add "(via feedburner)" so nobody is surprised | 17:37 |
| hajs | http://twitter.com/europython | 17:53 |
| hajs | sorry wrong focus ;) | 17:54 |
| MrTopf | wrong focus but correct URL ;-) | 18:00 |
| zeth | Okay added that too | 18:06 |
| MrTopf | cool! | 18:09 |
| zeth | MrTopf: have you got a cheesy picture of you at europython or some similar conference? | 18:09 |
| zeth | I am going to make a contacts page | 18:09 |
| zeth | the cheesy the photo the better | 18:09 |
| MrTopf | Hm, no idea actually.. | 18:09 |
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| MrTopf | flickr knows those: http://flickr.com/search/?q=mrtopf&w=all | 18:10 |
| zeth | cool | 18:11 |
| MrTopf | I never looked.. ;-) | 18:11 |
| MrTopf | Vidar seems to be my house photographer.. | 18:11 |
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| zeth | The meeting is at 6pm GMT is it? | 19:21 |
| zeth | I am in GMT+2 at the moment so I am a bit lost | 19:21 |
| fuzzyman | it is in half an hour I think | 19:32 |
| zeth | yup good | 19:34 |
| pboddie | zeth: Over visiting the in-laws, are you? :-) | 19:37 |
| zeth | yup | 19:39 |
| zeth | sitting here in the snow ;) | 19:39 |
| zeth | pboddie: you are doing the europython bloging still right? | 19:39 |
| pboddie | It's raining here, which will mean a nice new layer of ice tomorrow. | 19:39 |
| pboddie | I have access to the blog, but MrTopf can give you that, too. | 19:40 |
| zeth | I don't want to access it | 19:40 |
| zeth | I am just making a list of useful contacts | 19:40 |
| MrTopf | we should have somebody in charge of posting important things though | 19:41 |
| zeth | Will make some email hiding/spam free contact form and then combine it with this: | 19:41 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/about/team/ | 19:42 |
| zeth | then people can email the useful contacts | 19:42 |
| zeth | MrTopf: Martin Hellweig was appointed in the last meeting to co-ordinate the publicity, if that is what you mean | 19:44 |
| MrTopf | well, then I guess he needs to do appoint somebody to do it :) All I am saying is just that roles should be clear | 19:45 |
| zeth | Yeah, there are lots of roles which probably are not in the useful contact list | 19:46 |
| zeth | but I for one am happy with whoever did the blog last year | 19:46 |
| MrTopf | so it would be good if something is identified as bloggable information (deadlines, reminders of these) and posts this to the blog and twitter | 19:46 |
| zeth | I was assuming it was pboddie, but I have no idea | 19:46 |
| MrTopf | mostly yes I think | 19:46 |
| zeth | since the blog does not show the author | 19:46 |
| MrTopf | and I am organizing the streaming of these talks ;-) | 19:48 |
| zeth | Well I put | 19:49 |
| zeth | "Christian organises the filming of selected talks." | 19:49 |
| MrTopf | as long as that does not imply that I will record them, edit it and put them up later, then that's ok because I won't be capable of doing it | 19:50 |
| MrTopf | so I will go with streaming as long as this works | 19:50 |
| zeth | selected is just so people can't not come and then moan that they didn't see the room/talk they wanted streamed | 19:50 |
| MrTopf | right, that's good :) | 19:51 |
| zeth | okay I changed filming to streaming | 19:52 |
| zeth | "Christian organises the live streaming of selected talks." | 19:52 |
| MrTopf | thanks :) | 19:52 |
| zeth | if people want to see a particular set of talks then they should arrive in person | 19:52 |
| MrTopf | right | 19:53 |
| MrTopf | hm, I might have to leave in the middle of the meeting.. | 19:53 |
| zeth | well it should be cheap conference if the pound stays so low | 19:53 |
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| zeth | Hello qwright | 19:53 |
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| qwright | hi zeth | 19:53 |
| zeth | hello nickbooker | 19:54 |
| MrTopf | but the website things are sorted out now anyway.. maybe some RSS box with recent blog headline would be nice.. but that can be added anytime | 19:54 |
| MrTopf | Hi qwright | 19:54 |
| MrTopf | Hi nickbooker | 19:54 |
| nickbooker | hi | 19:54 |
| qwright | Hi there Christian | 19:54 |
| qwright | We are all early!! | 19:54 |
| MrTopf | because I have to leave early ;-) | 19:55 |
| qwright | John won't be long.... | 19:55 |
| zeth | we have just been writing a web page together | 19:56 |
| zeth | with the most useful contacts on | 19:56 |
| qwright | who is the we? | 19:56 |
| MrTopf | zeth ;-) | 19:56 |
| MrTopf | and I am the number one contact!! | 19:56 |
| zeth | well people have been giving me their descriptions and photos | 19:56 |
| zeth | it is in alphabetical order | 19:56 |
| zeth | you can't actually contact anyone yet, but there we go | 19:57 |
| MrTopf | now I am disappointed, I was assuming importance ;-) | 19:57 |
| zeth | I code that in next | 19:57 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/about/team/ | 19:57 |
| zeth | Here is who we have so far | 19:57 |
| zeth | I'm sure there are lots more people to go on it | 19:58 |
| MrTopf | we can directly create a collection of these photos and put it up before the welcome address at the conference as a "helper thankyou" slideshow | 19:59 |
| MrTopf | it's always good to collect these things early | 19:59 |
| qwright | I'd like a different photo | 20:00 |
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| zeth | qwright: sure if you give me a photo | 20:01 |
| pinner | Good evening, all | 20:01 |
| zeth | evening | 20:01 |
| MrTopf | Hi pinner | 20:01 |
| pinner | Hello Christian | 20:01 |
| MrTopf | actually I am not sure if cheesy photo is the way to go here ;-) | 20:01 |
| fuzzyman | Hi | 20:02 |
| pinner | hello Michael | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | Hello John and everyone | 20:02 |
| zeth | hi pinner fuzzyman | 20:02 |
| fuzzyman | I think Tartley is on his way | 20:02 |
| pinner | There are probably a few other we need before we start: pboddie, lac and/or jacob22, mal and so on | 20:03 |
| pinner | Meantime, lets get the apologies done: | 20:04 |
| pinner | Harald Armin Massa, Yusdi Santosa, anyone else? | 20:05 |
| MrTopf | me just for the second half of it | 20:05 |
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| Martin_Hellwig | Good evening all, sorry I am a bit late | 20:06 |
| MrTopf | Hi Martin | 20:06 |
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| pinner | Hello Martin | 20:06 |
| nickbooker | hi | 20:06 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: you have not missed anything | 20:06 |
| zeth | just in time | 20:06 |
| tartley | hi all. sorry I'm late. Excellent. | 20:06 |
| pinner | Hello Nick, save me from shouting across the office | 20:06 |
| Martin_Hellwig | hehe | 20:06 |
| tartley | l | 20:06 |
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| pinner | OK, let's get on, we've had the apologies | 20:07 |
| pinner | Item 2: Actions from last meeting | 20:07 |
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| pinner | most of them have been done. Amazing, thanks everyone | 20:07 |
| pinner | OK? Let's go to Item 3: Website Format | 20:08 |
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| pinner | Have you all looked at the new site? | 20:08 |
| qwright | yes | 20:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | yup, I think it looks great | 20:09 |
| pinner | Are we happy to go with it? | 20:09 |
| Martin_Hellwig | but obviously I am a bit biased | 20:09 |
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| pinner | any more comments? | 20:09 |
| MrTopf | Well, I think some more design couldn't hurt but that would mean hiring somebody to do it right. So I think we can go with it :) | 20:10 |
| fuzzyman | can we really not do anything about europython.org? | 20:10 |
| zeth | you mean redirecting it to the right place? | 20:10 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: Someone needs to negotiate with Herr Reulbach | 20:10 |
| MrTopf | right, changing the domain right now is of course not optimal | 20:10 |
| fuzzyman | It seems like a recipe for confusion to have both :-( | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | is he being awkard? | 20:11 |
| pinner | meantime we can redirect europython.org | 20:11 |
| Martin_Hellwig | fuzzyman: two options either he transfers it out of his kindness or register as trademark and sue for it | 20:11 |
| fuzzyman | having the org redirect would be best | 20:11 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: I'm not sure | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | what is the short story behind that domain, btw? | 20:11 |
| pinner | We really need German speaker to talk to him: I was hoping mal would volunteer | 20:12 |
| pinner | but he isn't here :( | 20:12 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | he is a snake enthusiast? | 20:12 |
| MrTopf | I am german but I am not sure I am a good negotiator ;-) | 20:12 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I was a native german speaker, 10 years ago | 20:12 |
| pinner | MrTopf: It's lost in the shadows of time. Martijn Haassen knows the story, it dates back to the first EP in Charleroi | 20:12 |
| MrTopf | ic | 20:13 |
| MrTopf | so how can we redirect things if it belong to him? | 20:13 |
| fuzzyman | If one of you could volunteer to talk to him and just find out the situation it would be great | 20:13 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Perhaps best if we get the story straight and then I could go to John's office and call him? | 20:13 |
| zeth | I think it is pointing at our old server IP? | 20:13 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: You're doing write a lot already, but yes, that would be OK | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | so we should ask Martijn for some details | 20:14 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Martijn is Dutch? | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | ok, so we should find out if there is some problem involved or somebody has just forgotten about this registration | 20:14 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, but we could get ByteMark to redirect the IP | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | Martin: yes, he is | 20:14 |
| zeth | pinner: nice | 20:14 |
| Martin_Hellwig | Ok no problem I can give him a call and ask what it is precisely | 20:14 |
| fuzzyman | other than that the new site is sparsely designed but perfectly good for the job - and better than I could do | 20:15 |
| qwright | The secondary pages need some work before we can announce | 20:15 |
| pinner | OK, let's deal with this outside the meeting: we can involve Marc Andre and Faassen as well as Martin and me | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | I might come up with a design but I don't have time.. so let's go with it. | 20:16 |
| Martin_Hellwig | ack | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | blog and twitter link is also set now | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | and before the conference it would be good to have a streaming page there as well | 20:16 |
| fuzzyman | My internet connection is a bit ropey today I'm afraid, so I may be a bit slow to reply to things :-( | 20:16 |
| pinner | qwright: yes, we should remove the blog and twitter until they're up-to-date. | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | but that's mostly putting some HTML snippets into the right places | 20:16 |
| pinner | zeth: I think that means you | 20:16 |
| qwright | and this year's logo | 20:17 |
| zeth | me? sorry what, I can put some html snippets from MrTopf into the site | 20:17 |
| MrTopf | I can update the blog logo | 20:17 |
| zeth | qwright: they just updated the twitter I think | 20:17 |
| pinner | zeth: no, remove the twitter and blog until they're updated | 20:17 |
| zeth | I think they are being done so now | 20:17 |
| pinner | OK, let's move on a little: talk submissions | 20:18 |
| MrTopf | just somebody send me whatever logo file you have and I will update them tonight | 20:18 |
| pinner | Zeth has put up a submissions page at www.europython2009.eu/submission/ | 20:18 |
| MrTopf | we should have a call to action in there when we announce it | 20:18 |
| pinner | note the trailing slash | 20:19 |
| pinner | MrTopf: I'll send the logo to you | 20:19 |
| MrTopf | pinner: thanks | 20:19 |
| zeth | yeah I think there is some config about the trailing slash, at the moment you need it | 20:19 |
| zeth | so the submissions go into a database, and as a backup they are emailed to John and I | 20:20 |
| pinner | also, I've updated the notes at http://www.europython2008.eu/EuroPython2009 | 20:20 |
| pinner | which tell you a little about what's been going on | 20:20 |
| zeth | there is already an admin for Europython crew to edit them | 20:20 |
| zeth | but not an admin for submitters to make admentments | 20:20 |
| zeth | that will be coming | 20:21 |
| fuzzyman | sounds like great progress | 20:21 |
| zeth | when we accept all the talks, they get exported into the system we had for last year | 20:21 |
| zeth | which makes the schedule etc | 20:21 |
| pinner | OK, Is everyone happy with Martin's announcement proposal? | 20:22 |
| pboddie | pinner: Is europython2008.eu actually a different site to europython.org? | 20:22 |
| pinner | pboddie: yes | 20:22 |
| fuzzyman | I agree with Christian's comment about that sentence | 20:23 |
| MrTopf | I mailed some remarks back to the list regarding the announcement | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | The | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | > European conference for the communities around Python, including the | 20:23 |
| fuzzyman | > Zope and Plone communities. | 20:23 |
| pboddie | pinner: A bit confusing, isn't it? Couldn't the server serve up the same Wiki in different places? | 20:23 |
| pinner | pboddie: the server europython.org is on will be coming down soon | 20:23 |
| zeth | "it is my privilege and honour" sounds like miss world ;) just kidding | 20:23 |
| pboddie | There was a problem with the dates in the announcement text: it said 20th June. I guess everyone saw that already. | 20:23 |
| Martin_Hellwig | fuzzyman: agree, do you have a proposal to write it different, I am stuck a bit with that sentence | 20:23 |
| pinner | pboddie: but we need a different wiki for different years and locations | 20:24 |
| Martin_Hellwig | pboddie: oops | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | Well - the obvious change is "EuroPython is the..." | 20:24 |
| zeth | European conference for the Python communities, including Zope, Plone and Django communities | 20:24 |
| zeth | and whoever else | 20:24 |
| pboddie | pinner: I was just thinking that having checked the ep.org site for updates, the ep2008.eu site was carrying different updates. | 20:24 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: that still isn't a sentence | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | The Talk & Themes section is very short | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | that | 20:25 |
| pinner | pboddie: yes, we will have to update the new one from the old before we swicth the old one off, or get control of europython.org | 20:25 |
| fuzzyman | oops - that is the actual call for papers bit, is it sufficient? | 20:25 |
| zeth | Maybe there is too much in the email | 20:26 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: this is the first cut, 'we' need to update it as we go along | 20:26 |
| pboddie | pinner: I see: it's a physically different server with the Wiki on a different physical filesystem. | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | OK | 20:26 |
| pinner | pboddie: yes | 20:26 |
| zeth | maybe the email should be two separate ones? | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | I'm trying to dig out what we used last year at PyCon UK | 20:26 |
| zeth | one with the call for papers, one can be everything else | 20:26 |
| fuzzyman | zeth: agreed +1 | 20:27 |
| Martin_Hellwig | first the CFP, then CFP reminder, which contains more info | 20:27 |
| MrTopf | and maybe make a standard footer for such emails with homepage, blog and twitter address | 20:27 |
| pinner | zeth: I think the email has one proposal for cfp (which is now on the site) and another for announcement, which will go in the emails | 20:27 |
| Martin_Hellwig | then the open for registration, later schedule announcement | 20:27 |
| pinner | We need a decision on the announcement. We need to get it agreed tonight ideally. | 20:29 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: have you got the changes people came up with? I'm talking about the Announcement only | 20:30 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I changed the community sentence, but I am still not quite sure if it reads well: "EuroPython is the conference for the communities around Python, including the Zope and Plone communities." | 20:30 |
| Martin_Hellwig | pinner: yes | 20:30 |
| fuzzyman | sounds ok to me | 20:30 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | and django? | 20:31 |
| qwright | yes and django | 20:31 |
| Martin_Hellwig | 'includind the Zope, Plone and Django communities'? | 20:31 |
| Martin_Hellwig | including | 20:31 |
| MrTopf | and all related communities? | 20:31 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | brilliant | 20:31 |
| pinner | How about 'EuroPython is the conference for the Python communities, including Django, Zope and Plone' | 20:31 |
| Martin_Hellwig | ack | 20:32 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | pinner: best yet | 20:32 |
| qwright | go for it | 20:32 |
| zeth | I am announcing the 'Call for Participation' for EuroPython 2009! The conference for the European Python community, including the Zope, Plone, Django and other communities. | 20:32 |
| zeth | This year's conference will be held in Birmingham, UK from Monday 20th June to Saturday 4th July 2009. | 20:32 |
| zeth | We are accepting talks, interest group meetings and half-day tutorials. | 20:32 |
| zeth | Go to http://www.europython.eu/talks/ for more information and the submission form. | 20:32 |
| pboddie | *30th* | 20:32 |
| zeth | yup | 20:32 |
| zeth | sorry, was just slimming down Martin's fine words | 20:33 |
| MrTopf | I have to leave now unfortunately but I will read up this window later | 20:33 |
| pinner | OK, that's what we do, agreed? | 20:33 |
| MrTopf | ttyl | 20:33 |
| qwright | yes | 20:33 |
| pinner | MrTopf: thanks for coming | 20:33 |
| zeth | bye MrTopf | 20:33 |
| MrTopf | always a pleasure :) | 20:33 |
| Martin_Hellwig | 30th? the conference starts on Tuesday? | 20:34 |
| pinner | Martin, will you put the document in the repository, or in a wiki, so we all have access to it to announce to our own conatcts? | 20:34 |
| pinner | should be 29th, unless we change things in the next subject I want to discuss ;) | 20:35 |
| Martin_Hellwig | yes it is in the repo, I'll send it forward to the ones that are going to subannounce it | 20:35 |
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| pinner | 29th is Tutorials | 20:35 |
| pinner | g'day Geoff | 20:35 |
| zeth | It should go on the blog too for its subscribers | 20:35 |
| MrMeanie | Hi John! | 20:35 |
| MrMeanie | HI Zeth! | 20:35 |
| zeth | Hi MrMeanie | 20:35 |
| pinner | zeth: for G's sake update the blog first! | 20:35 |
| pinner | So announcement is agreed | 20:36 |
| zeth | I don't have access to the blog | 20:36 |
| qwright | Are we agreed on the announcement? | 20:36 |
| zeth | it is wordpress with pboddie and MrMeanie | 20:36 |
| zeth | it is wordpress with pboddie and MrTopf | 20:36 |
| pinner | yes | 20:36 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: I think so | 20:36 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | announcement sounds good to me | 20:36 |
| Martin_Hellwig | that is without wordpress and twittter mentioning | 20:36 |
| pinner | Right. Tutorials | 20:36 |
| pinner | We have one day, Monday 29th | 20:37 |
| MrMeanie | pboddie, hey Paul | 20:37 |
| pinner | PyCon and PyCon UK found a high demand for tutorials | 20:37 |
| pinner | So, do we want to make it two days of tutorials? | 20:37 |
| pinner | Sunday 28th and Monday 29th | 20:37 |
| pinner | We have room at the venue | 20:38 |
| fuzzyman | What do Europython normally do? | 20:38 |
| pinner | if we make our minds up soon | 20:38 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: normally, no tutorials | 20:38 |
| fuzzyman | we weren't overrun this year so I'd be happy with just one day | 20:38 |
| zeth | erm some of the rooms were standing room only | 20:38 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: once only, at CERM AFAIK | 20:39 |
| pboddie | MrMeanie: Hello! | 20:39 |
| zeth | so add a couple of hundred europeans | 20:39 |
| zeth | we might be stuck | 20:39 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | will extending the duration of tutorials neccessarily improve that? | 20:39 |
| zeth | maybe we can call it full though I suppose | 20:39 |
| qwright | Why not do Sunday pm? | 20:39 |
| zeth | well we can have the most popular ones repeat | 20:39 |
| fuzzyman | well - adding more tutorials doesn't automatically thin out the popular ones.. | 20:39 |
| fuzzyman | if the presenter is up for it | 20:40 |
| pinner | FWIW I think demand would support two days | 20:40 |
| zeth | there is a limit of how many people you want in a tutorial? | 20:40 |
| zeth | I mean, it loses that classroom feel after too many | 20:40 |
| pboddie | zeth: Are you a WordPress user? I can add you (or anyone else) to the blogger list. | 20:40 |
| fuzzyman | I guess we can do what we did this year - promise to pay them and then not bother ;-) | 20:40 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | i am a wordpress user for mypersonal blog, so I've had some dealings | 20:40 |
| pinner | Suggestion: we go for two days, if there isn't the demand we cut back. | 20:40 |
| zeth | cool | 20:41 |
| Martin_Hellwig | agree | 20:41 |
| pinner | That's easier than the other way | 20:41 |
| qwright | agree | 20:41 |
| nickbooker | sounds sensible | 20:41 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: ok - worth an experiment | 20:41 |
| pinner | maybe two rooms for Sunday, four for Monday | 20:41 |
| zeth | I don't mind either way, I run around with organising and having fun | 20:41 |
| zeth | at the start | 20:41 |
| zeth | can we have a room which is open space as well? | 20:41 |
| zeth | e.g. the bar? | 20:41 |
| qwright | yes | 20:41 |
| pinner | zeth: that's called the Code Clinic | 20:42 |
| pboddie | Jonathan_Hartley: I guess you've already mailed to the list. Do you want me to invite you into the blog as a VIP? | 20:42 |
| zeth | Ah okay yeah | 20:42 |
| qwright | tutorials can include workshops | 20:42 |
| fuzzyman | although if people make plans around the Sunday and then we cancel they may be annoyed | 20:42 |
| fuzzyman | so if we announce it we probably have to do it | 20:42 |
| pinner | OK, lets vote. Who's for two days of tutorials: | 20:42 |
| Martin_Hellwig | +1 | 20:43 |
| pinner | +1 from me | 20:43 |
| qwright | +1 | 20:43 |
| nickbooker | +1 | 20:43 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | pboddie: I have, and I'm happy to get involved with the blog, so yes please. | 20:43 |
| fuzzyman | open space would be good | 20:43 |
| pboddie | Is it your tartley.com address? | 20:43 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | +1 | 20:43 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | yes | 20:43 |
| pboddie | 0 (abs) from me, BTW | 20:43 |
| zeth | 0 | 20:43 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: what do you mean by workshop? | 20:43 |
| pinner | OK, no dissenters, two abstainers | 20:44 |
| pboddie | OK, JH, the blog is here: http://europython.wordpress.com/ | 20:44 |
| qwright | less formal | 20:44 |
| qwright | less structured | 20:44 |
| pinner | Other things on website content: | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | the code clinic was really good this year | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | I'm +0 | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | looks like it is decided | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: a | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | oops - bloody new keyboard | 20:44 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: so a bunch | 20:44 |
| pinner | moreati is updating the the Accommodation page | 20:45 |
| fuzzyman | qwright: of people in a room working on stuff together and helping eacvh other - sounds good | 20:45 |
| pinner | anything else on content? | 20:45 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | pboddie: thx | 20:45 |
| zeth | I am making a page with useful contacts | 20:45 |
| zeth | it has photos and will have a contact form | 20:45 |
| zeth | in about 20 mins when I finish all the django boilerplate | 20:46 |
| pinner | zeth: maybe that should be in the wiki, not Django | 20:46 |
| qwright | fuzzyman: things are moving on - that's precisely what I had in mind.. | 20:46 |
| pinner | zeth: or the main (static) site | 20:47 |
| zeth | well I have almost finished now, and the django is for making the email secret | 20:47 |
| zeth | yeah it is in static, just the send email button is django | 20:47 |
| pinner | zeth: OK | 20:47 |
| pinner | Let's move on, tempus fugit | 20:47 |
| pinner | Keynotes | 20:47 |
| pinner | Any more ideas, other than from last meeting? | 20:48 |
| qwright | nope | 20:48 |
| pinner | I've asked Sir Tony Hoare, reply awaited | 20:48 |
| pinner | Fuzzyman is trying to get Jim Hugunin, I hope ;) | 20:48 |
| zeth | HAd fuzzyman asked Cory Doctorow? | 20:49 |
| zeth | Has | 20:49 |
| zeth | has/could | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | I haven't followed that up yet but it is sitting in my inbox | 20:49 |
| pinner | I think Steve Holden would be good, he's PSF chair | 20:49 |
| zeth | I think non-python speaker is more fun myself | 20:49 |
| zeth | something more general interest | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | I have asked Cory, no reply yet but I only asked him today | 20:49 |
| zeth | cool | 20:49 |
| pinner | Shall I ask Clare Short? | 20:49 |
| zeth | yeah, do you know her? | 20:49 |
| fuzzyman | should I ask Charlie Stross? | 20:50 |
| fuzzyman | a bloody politician??? | 20:50 |
| pinner | zeth: no, but I've had email contact | 20:50 |
| zeth | yeah | 20:50 |
| fuzzyman | is she a good speaker | 20:50 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: not a typical politician | 20:50 |
| fuzzyman | if we no she is then fine, otherwise I wouldn't risk it | 20:50 |
| zeth | it would be interesting considering it is Europython, she knows a lot about everywhere | 20:50 |
| fuzzyman | *know | 20:50 |
| zeth | fuzzyman: she is not a party politician | 20:50 |
| zeth | she has nothing to sell | 20:51 |
| Martin_Hellwig | yup, I think if we go for non python related speaker it shoud be at least with humor | 20:51 |
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| pinner | zeth: she's a card-carrying Labour person I think! | 20:51 |
| fuzzyman | should I ask Charlie Stross or leave it for the moment | 20:51 |
| zeth | pinner: she resigned right? | 20:51 |
| fuzzyman | I would rather we stayed out of politics | 20:51 |
| Martin_Hellwig | agree | 20:51 |
| zeth | she is independent Birmingham party | 20:51 |
| zeth | I was not thinking that she talk about british politics | 20:52 |
| zeth | but talk about the world | 20:52 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: leave for the moment, we don't want to risk asking too many and then have to tell them we don't want them! | 20:52 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: fine | 20:52 |
| fuzzyman | Steve Holden would be great as a fallback BTW | 20:52 |
| Martin_Hellwig | yes, still associating with politics can do more harm then good | 20:52 |
| pinner | OK, I'll research Clare Short a little before asking her. | 20:52 |
| pboddie | I suggested Ciarán O'Riordan because he's a Free Software guy who has a big European angle, and it is EuroPython, after all. | 20:52 |
| zeth | For me, the keynotes should be something generally applicable, especially at the end of the day when we are about to go to dinner and everyone's wife/husband has turned up | 20:53 |
| fuzzyman | pboddie: never heard of him :-) | 20:53 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: more than a fallback, I'll ask him to come anyway | 20:53 |
| fuzzyman | how many do we want? 3? | 20:53 |
| zeth | we have room for quite a few | 20:53 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: maybe more, we have three days, plus a dinne | 20:53 |
| pinner | dinner | 20:54 |
| Martin_Hellwig | If we could I woudl really like to have Stephen Fry | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | ok | 20:54 |
| zeth | yeah but Stephen Fry is a bit of a strech | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | anyone have any contact with S. Fry | 20:54 |
| zeth | ask anyway | 20:54 |
| qwright | Is there anyone from a European country other than UK we can think of? | 20:54 |
| fuzzyman | who is going to ask? | 20:54 |
| zeth | but he is a bit busy person with no connection to Birmingham | 20:54 |
| pinner | I have a friend in the tv business, I'll ask him about Stephen Fry, and Michael Palin (more appropriate) | 20:54 |
| zeth | Stephen Fry has a column in the Guardian about Free Software | 20:55 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: both are appropriate and would be cool | 20:55 |
| Martin_Hellwig | shall we leave keynote for now? | 20:55 |
| zeth | yeah agreed, all cool | 20:55 |
| pinner | qwright: I was hoping lac would be here, she has lots of contacts | 20:55 |
| pinner | Yes, we have enough to be going on with, OK? | 20:55 |
| qwright | OK | 20:55 |
| pinner | I'll ask lac for ideas, though. | 20:56 |
| pboddie | Ciarán O'Riordan's Irish, I believe. | 20:56 |
| pinner | Next Topic: Publicity Announcement | 20:56 |
| pinner | I think we've covered it enough, Martin is announcing tonight and onwards | 20:57 |
| pinner | How about Yusdi's poster? | 20:57 |
| zeth | yes, everyone reforward the email to all your tech mailing lists | 20:57 |
| Martin_Hellwig | yes only start date 30 or 28 for including the sessions? | 20:57 |
| pinner | I think it would be really good as a cover for the conference programme | 20:57 |
| fuzzyman | pinner: +1 | 20:58 |
| pinner | but not so good for attracting new people | 20:58 |
| Martin_Hellwig | +1 | 20:58 |
| qwright | +1 | 20:58 |
| zeth | Not sure it is publicity as such, but should we ask Birmingham City Council for some kind of posters? They put them up for other conferences. "Birmingham welcomes the conservative conference" etc | 20:58 |
| fuzzyman | (brb sorry folks) | 20:58 |
| pinner | zeth: yes, and maybe they can offer more support. | 20:59 |
| zeth | we are bringing potentially 350-500 people to Birmingham | 20:59 |
| pinner | zeth: looks like you've volunteered ;) | 20:59 |
| zeth | GUADEC have the whole government running around in Gran Cranera | 20:59 |
| zeth | ok | 20:59 |
| pinner | Let's take a rain cheque on Yusdi's poster: accept it for the programme, hold on the poster | 21:00 |
| Martin_Hellwig | agree | 21:00 |
| pinner | agreed? | 21:00 |
| zeth | yeah programme cover would be great | 21:00 |
| pinner | I think we should thank Yusdi, a great idea | 21:01 |
| zeth | we can print it as a slip, so the other things pop inside when bag stuffing | 21:01 |
| pinner | OK, next meeting | 21:01 |
| qwright | Is 30th December OK for the next meeting, what with the hols? | 21:01 |
| pinner | two weeks brings us to 30th December | 21:02 |
| pinner | Is that OK? | 21:02 |
| zeth | no idea, it pretty late here in Finland which might be good | 21:02 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | 30dec: fine by me | 21:02 |
| zeth | we might as well stick to it | 21:02 |
| qwright | Good for me... | 21:02 |
| zeth | even if not all of us can make it | 21:02 |
| pinner | it gives 4 days to recover from xmas/boxing day | 21:02 |
| Martin_Hellwig | okay with me | 21:03 |
| pinner | and we should keep the momentum going | 21:03 |
| zeth | yup | 21:03 |
| zeth | good | 21:03 |
| qwright | but only 1 to prepare for New Year | 21:03 |
| pboddie | I doubt if I will be present on 30th December. | 21:03 |
| Martin_Hellwig | qwright: oh come on , young fella as you doesn't need preperation :-) | 21:03 |
| zeth | yeah me too, but if we try to move it, it will be worse | 21:03 |
| pinner | pboddie: you can send your comments beforehand | 21:03 |
| fuzzyman | bak | 21:04 |
| pinner | one week would be too soon, and three weeks too long | 21:04 |
| qwright | fuzzyman: next meeting on the 30th??? | 21:04 |
| pinner | So we're going for 30th December, OK? | 21:05 |
| Martin_Hellwig | ack | 21:05 |
| qwright | +1 | 21:05 |
| fuzzyman | just checking - probably fine | 21:05 |
| pinner | OK, in the absence of other comments, the next meeting is on 30th December. | 21:06 |
| pinner | That makes it the end of the meeting :) | 21:06 |
| fuzzyman | really | 21:07 |
| fuzzyman | wow :-) | 21:07 |
| pinner | Thanks, everyone, for coming | 21:07 |
| Martin_Hellwig | pinner: I mail you about the domain transfer | 21:07 |
| qwright | bye all...... | 21:07 |
| pinner | fuzzyman: in theory, they last an hour, the formal-ish bit anyway (never known it though) | 21:07 |
| qwright | Have a Merry Christmas.. | 21:07 |
| Martin_Hellwig | pinner: just a last question, 28 or 30 as start date for the announcement? | 21:07 |
| zeth | http://www.europython.eu/about/team/ - have I missed anyone | 21:07 |
| zeth | qwright: merry christmas | 21:08 |
| fuzzyman | 30th is fine by the way | 21:08 |
| pboddie | qwright et al: Yes, enjoy the holidays! | 21:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | qwright: merry christmas | 21:08 |
| fuzzyman | seasons greetings all | 21:08 |
| zeth | merry christmas to everyone | 21:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | greetings all | 21:08 |
| pinner | Martin_Hellwig: fine; 2, play safe at 29th for now. | 21:08 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: pboddie can I have a photo? | 21:08 |
| Martin_Hellwig | enjoy everyone , don't drink more then I do :-) | 21:09 |
| zeth | Those of you not in the UK, stock pile your pounds now ;) | 21:09 |
| nickbooker | merry christmas all | 21:09 |
| Martin_Hellwig | zeth: yup | 21:09 |
| zeth | something not too serious | 21:09 |
| zeth | so it matches the others | 21:09 |
| fuzzyman | IRC seems to be working ok | 21:09 |
| pboddie | zeth: There's probably one on Flickr. Take a look at Dave's photostream. | 21:09 |
| zeth | perferably at a conference, restaurant or bar | 21:09 |
| Martin_Hellwig | zeth: my last photo's where from my wedding :-) | 21:10 |
| pinner | zeth: loks good, puts faces to the names | 21:10 |
| zeth | wow that is more boddie's than I expected | 21:11 |
| zeth | pboddie: can you give me a link to the photostream? | 21:11 |
| pinner | Have a really good mid-winter (aka Christmas) break, everyone | 21:11 |
| pboddie | Perhaps this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10144736@N08/2664787323/ | 21:11 |
| zeth | cool | 21:11 |
| pinner | Also known as Winterval by the PC people, I believe | 21:11 |
| zeth | and Martin_Hellwig ? | 21:11 |
| Martin_Hellwig | I'll find one from my archive, mail it to you | 21:12 |
| zeth | pinner: I always knew you were a PC person, I think you are really a Birmingham city council spy ;) | 21:12 |
| zeth | Martin_Hellwig: cheers | 21:12 |
| pinner | zeth: the last thing you could call me? | 21:12 |
| zeth | just joking :-) | 21:13 |
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| pinner | pboddie: good night, Paul | 21:15 |
| Martin_Hellwig | goodnight paul | 21:15 |
| zeth | night paul, merry christmas | 21:15 |
| pboddie | pinner et al: Yes, have a good Xmas chaps! | 21:15 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | goodnight all. | 21:15 |
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| zeth | Hyvää Joula | 21:15 |
| zeth | as they say here | 21:15 |
| Martin_Hellwig | ugh the cold must really affect the frontal lobe | 21:16 |
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| * pinner is leaving | 21:17 | |
| pinner | Good night! | 21:17 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | zeth, do I get to go on the 'team' page? :-) I'll send a photo. | 21:17 |
| Martin_Hellwig | goodnight John | 21:17 |
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| zeth | Jonathan_Hartley: sure | 21:18 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | I guess I need to have some 'use' before being a 'useful contact' :-) | 21:18 |
| zeth | if the photo is silly enough ;) | 21:18 |
| zeth | that is optimistic that everyone on that list already has some 'use' :-) | 21:23 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | http://tartley.com/files/jonathan-hartley.jpg | 21:28 |
| Martin_Hellwig | showoff :-) | 21:28 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | 2nd assistant blogging dogsbody? For the moment, at least | 21:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | heh | 21:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | mylovelywife, so it doesn't count. :-) | 21:29 |
| fuzzyman | Jonathan_Hartley: nice picture | 21:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | thx | 21:29 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | alright, i gotta shoot. cheerio everyone! Have fun christmaseses! | 21:30 |
| Jonathan_Hartley | exit | 21:30 |
| Martin_Hellwig | byebye | 21:30 |
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| Martin_Hellwig | zeth: you got mail | 21:45 |
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