| * cyberix should be more careful with lightning talks | 00:29 | |
| cyberix | Andrew Durdin already ported the Malbolge VM for pypy translator | 00:29 |
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| cyberix | :-P | 00:29 |
| cyberix | Actually he already did that yesterday. | 00:29 |
| TheSheep | evil | 00:30 |
| cyberix | My bet was 2009 | 00:30 |
| MrTopf | finally uploading the first EP video | 00:58 |
| MrTopf | I spent the whole day trying to automate things but somehow it failed | 00:58 |
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| jezdez | MrTopf: where to? | 01:42 |
| MrTopf | blip.tv, will post it later to the EP blog at http://europython.wordpress.com | 01:47 |
| MrTopf | http://blip.tv/file/1075646/ | 01:48 |
| MrTopf | need to wait for the flash conversion | 01:48 |
| MrTopf | and will do more tomorrow | 01:48 |
| MrTopf | now I should go to bed :) | 01:48 |
| MrTopf | jezdez: ^^ | 01:49 |
| jezdez | thanks MrTopf :) | 01:49 |
| MrTopf | yw :) | 01:49 |
| MrTopf | good night | 01:49 |
| jezdez | also for doing the vids at all | 01:49 |
| jezdez | night :) | 01:49 |
| MrTopf | my pleasure :) | 01:50 |
| MrTopf | keeps me away from doing cool programming though ;-) | 01:50 |
| MrTopf | anyway, off | 01:50 |
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| dboddie_ | Hi pboddie. | 16:55 |
| tobixen | how did you find the trakai castle? | 16:55 |
| dboddie_ | tobixen: Picturesque. Have you seen the photos on Flickr? | 16:55 |
| tobixen | no. I was quite disappointed that it wasn't possible to climb the towers | 16:56 |
| dboddie_ | It would have been good to get higher than the main castle. :-) | 16:56 |
| tobixen | and disappointed that we didn't bring towels and bathing clothes ;-) | 16:56 |
| dboddie_ | Indeed. :-) | 16:56 |
| pboddie | dboddie_: Hello! | 16:57 |
| dboddie_ | tobixen: Are you back in Norway already? | 16:57 |
| tobixen | no, I'm in Tallinn now | 16:57 |
| tobixen | spent the weekend in Latvia | 16:57 |
| pboddie | tobixen: You and your colleague seemed to disappear at the castle. I thought you'd discovered the secret level. ;-) | 16:58 |
| * dboddie_ is surprised to see so many people on the channel. | 16:58 | |
| tobixen | maybe I'll be in Norway before the 30th of July ... if we won't go to Siberia. There is a solar eclipse at the 1st of August :-) | 16:58 |
| tobixen | we were just a bit in a hurry, so we ran through all of it ;-) | 16:58 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: Saw that you uploaded a video yesterday - quite a big file, too. | 17:03 |
| MrTopf | yes, unfortunately. Every lower setting looked bad unfortunately | 17:05 |
| MrTopf | that's the joy of doing video | 17:05 |
| MrTopf | I was also redoing it today as I wanted to keep with episode number going | 17:06 |
| pboddie | The picture quality looked OK from what I saw, but I didn't seem to get audio in VLC. | 17:06 |
| pboddie | That may be something with my version of VLC, and GStreamer didn't want to transcode it, either. Maybe I don't have some MPEG 4 support installed. | 17:07 |
| MrTopf | blip.tv also has an option to convert it to ipod format | 17:07 |
| MrTopf | which might be smaller | 17:07 |
| MrTopf | and I just copied the audio, maybe I need to reencode it | 17:07 |
| pboddie | I just grabbed from the URL mentioned in the meta tag. | 17:07 |
| MrTopf | good that I did not yet do all videos ;-) | 17:07 |
| MrTopf | I will look into that later and see if it works in smaller filesize | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | basically I am now using keynote to encode it | 17:08 |
| pboddie | I think we all appreciate the work you've been doing with the videos. | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | as then I can directly put a title in front of it more easily | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | but I don't have any video controls or transitions or video editing | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | and I spent the day yesterday trying to automate things with applescript | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | and now I know that applescript sucks ;-) | 17:09 |
| MrTopf | I now test different settings | 17:13 |
| MrTopf | and I noticed that the original audio is linear pcm which means big file size | 17:14 |
| MrTopf | so I now changed it to AAC and reencode it | 17:14 |
| MrTopf | I also put a nice europython logo in the lower right corner so that you never forget what you are watching ;-) | 17:14 |
| MrTopf | looking forward to 64 core machines to make video encoding faster | 17:16 |
| dboddie_ | Maybe you need to look at using the Cloud. :-) | 17:18 |
| pboddie | I like the intro titles for the video: very nice! | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | where could I find those videos? | 17:25 |
| MrTopf | dboddie_: I would if somebody would implement the service I need ;-) | 17:28 |
| MrTopf | I don't have time to do that myself right now ;-) | 17:28 |
| MrTopf | actually I just changed the intro to show the epside number, I also noticed that I already had an intro for CLTV so I am using this now but copied the flying titles in | 17:28 |
| MrTopf | mgedmin: comlounge.blip.tv I think should work | 17:29 |
| MrTopf | it's only one now anyway | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | impressive intro! | 17:33 |
| * mgedmin cannot wait to finally see all of the Capistrano talk of which he only saw the very end | 17:33 | |
| pboddie | I think a few people started to see the benefits of talk recordings when they were heard to say, "I have to miss that one because I'm in another, but I'll see the video later." | 17:36 |
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| MrTopf | now if they would go out and search for a sponsor for next year... ;-) | 17:42 |
| pboddie | BMW? ;-) | 17:42 |
| MrTopf | just tell them that we are the new TED | 17:43 |
| MrTopf | we even had Rosling | 17:43 |
| MrTopf | ;-) | 17:43 |
| MrTopf | somebody ask Al Gore for next year | 17:43 |
| dboddie_ | TED is so 2007. ;-) | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | nah, TED is nice | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | and an RSS feed with liks to TED videos is even nicer | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | I can click on a title in Banshee and start watching it | 17:50 |
| MrTopf | *uploading slides* finally | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | the "how to upload slides" lightning talk was a nice fail | 17:54 |
| pboddie | Well, there was a step #0 in the process which was demonstrated. | 17:54 |
| MrTopf | I use slideshare anyway | 17:56 |
| MrTopf | here is the first:_ http://www.slideshare.net/mrtopf/europython-2008-dataportability-and-python | 18:01 |
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| pboddie | MrTopf: How about linking them from the Talks/Themes Wiki page? | 18:10 |
| MrTopf | That's the plan | 18:10 |
| MrTopf | I just wanted to upload all to do the linking in one go | 18:10 |
| MrTopf | maybe also my not given lightning talk ;-) | 18:10 |
| pboddie | Bonus material! | 18:11 |
| MrTopf | Next year we should do more lightning talks | 18:11 |
| MrTopf | like also on the first day | 18:12 |
| MrTopf | and the next one: http://www.slideshare.net/mrtopf/europython-2008-tear-down-the-walls-of-virtual-worlds/ | 18:15 |
| MrTopf | pboddie: now I have 83 MB but you cannot read anything anymore | 18:22 |
| MrTopf | next try with better settings | 18:23 |
| pboddie | I'm inclined to look at transcoding the original 200+ MB file if I can get the right libraries. I'll let you know how I get on. | 18:24 |
| MrTopf | I might upload the next try once it's finisged | 18:27 |
| MrTopf | finished even | 18:27 |
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| * pboddie thinks about ending the fairly unproductive day at work. | 18:55 | |
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| MrTopf | great, middle quality results in bigger file | 19:06 |
| MrTopf | 552 MB | 19:06 |
| pboddie | I think I'll head home now, but I'll look at the original file and see whether there's any magic possible. | 19:07 |
| MrTopf | there is but it needs some experimentation to find the right setting | 19:09 |
| MrTopf | I am not encoding smaller parts | 19:09 |
| pboddie | Well, I'll let you know what I discover, if anything. | 19:10 |
| MrTopf | ok, thanks | 19:10 |
| MrTopf | not sure though it will help that much as I am using a different tool and this usually also means different settings | 19:10 |
| MrTopf | but mayby we can make it 2 passes then | 19:10 |
| MrTopf | although that seems to be somewhat more work | 19:11 |
| pboddie | What's the original format? | 19:11 |
| MrTopf | I am doing it with keynote | 19:14 |
| MrTopf | and exporting to quicktime with it | 19:14 |
| MrTopf | testing it now again with different settings | 19:18 |
| MrTopf | but the problem is really that it will become more unreadable then. But there is not much to do with the light I had anyway | 19:18 |
| pboddie | OK. Will be back on IRC later on. Bye for now! | 19:18 |
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| MrTopf | one thing we should do is to work on chat so we can create an IRC gateway :) | 19:29 |
| MrTopf | would be a good test of things | 19:29 |
| MrTopf | I guess this was the wrong channel ;-) | 19:31 |
| tobixen | but it would be a nice thing anyway | 19:31 |
| tobixen | bitlbee is cool | 19:31 |
| tobixen | but it's too unidirectional | 19:31 |
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| Sharebear | http://europython.org/UserPreferences - "Enter the name of a popular free software license" | 19:56 |
| Sharebear | Perhaps a little ambiguous | 19:56 |
| Sharebear | Apache didn't work at least... I believe that one is quite popular | 19:56 |
| Sharebear | :-P | 19:56 |
| dboddie_ | Sharebear: I'm sure someone will be along to assist at some point. :-) | 20:09 |
| Sharebear | Aaanyway, time for me to head home. Getting hungry now | 20:16 |
| Sharebear | But I got my slides up if anyone is interested http://my.opera.com/WebApplications/blog/2008/07/14/slides-from-europython08 | 20:16 |
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| pboddie | MrTopf: Hello again! | 21:21 |
| pboddie | I found out that I had to select track 2 in VLC to get the audio working. | 21:21 |
| MrTopf | interesting | 21:21 |
| MrTopf | I will try another tool tomorrow | 21:21 |
| MrTopf | keynote is not really doing it | 21:22 |
| pboddie | Meanwhile, I've been looking at GStreamer plugins and have installed the "bad" set from multiverse. | 21:24 |
| pboddie | It appears that the normal Ubuntu "bad" plugins will make the qtdemux stuff available, but the multiverse "bad" plugins (ie. stuff which has sort of restricted stuff with respect to patents, I guess) are needed to actually provide the actual QuickTime/AAC support. | 21:25 |
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| pboddie | GStreamer doesn't want to do very much with the conversion pipeline, though. | 21:26 |
| * dboddie_ gets ready to leave. | 21:26 | |
| Tv | AAC encoding is patent protected, yes. | 21:26 |
| MrTopf | I am actually not sure it's AAC in there but I haven't checked | 21:29 |
| MrTopf | it was set to pass audio through so I guess it's more or less PCM | 21:29 |
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| MrTopf | which might be one reason for the bigger filesize | 21:29 |
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| pboddie | Just trying to manually coerce the conversion... | 21:43 |
| pboddie | Installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg obviously helped, although it could have just said that it didn't understand the video format instead of "ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to preroll." | 21:58 |
| pboddie | The audio didn't seem that great when I tried just now, but we shall see. | 21:59 |
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| MrTopf | maybe just wait for tomorrow's version ;-) | 22:11 |
| pboddie | Up to 31 minutes so far. 50 MB of Ogg Theora. | 22:36 |
| pboddie | This is just an exercise to see what's possible, of course. | 22:37 |
| pboddie | At the default encoding, the talk is 71 MB, but the text on screen is unreadable. I also have to find out how to persuade the audio to run at the right rate. | 23:08 |
| MrTopf | I think it all would have been better with better light or actually less light in the room | 23:30 |
| MrTopf | or a better projector | 23:30 |
| MrTopf | but anyway | 23:30 |
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| MrTopf | I will now render just the intro from keynote, then take some video editor and do the rest there | 23:32 |
| MrTopf | maybe that's better :) | 23:32 |
| MrTopf | I guess it's about using the right tools | 23:33 |
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| MrTopf | it comes down to that awful iMovie I guess | 23:50 |
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