IRC log of #europython for Friday, 2008-05-23

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* ThomasWaldmann updated the europython moin to 1.6.latest (fixes some bugs) and also copied some missing icons from modern to ep2008 theme17:46
dboddieLooks good. :-)17:52
lac  thank you ThomasWaldmann18:04
ThomasWaldmannthank you for all your EP work :)18:06
lacdoes this fix the problem reported here? http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/europython-improve/2008-May/000193.html18:06
ThomasWaldmanni can't see it :)18:07
ThomasWaldmannwhat was the problem?18:07
lacyou cannot reproduce the mailing list, or you cannot read that link?18:09
lacstop18:09
lacreboot brain and finger interface18:09
ThomasWaldmannit want mail and password :)18:09
lacyou cannot reproduce the problem, or you cannot read the problem18:09
lacaha.18:09
lachmm, where is a good pastebin for text?18:09
ThomasWaldmannpaste.pocoo.org18:10
lachttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/53207/18:12
ThomasWaldmannno :)18:13
ThomasWaldmanni can fix that if we agree to rename the page shown when going to / url18:14
lacthis is perfectly fine with me, but I am hardly the last word on such things.18:14
ThomasWaldmanne.g. if all EuroPython page content would be integrated into current FrontPage18:15
ThomasWaldmannthen we could rename EuroPython to EuroPythonOld18:15
ThomasWaldmannthen rename FrontPage to EuroPython18:15
ThomasWaldmannand then set page_front_page = u'EuroPython'18:16
lacThis looks like a good fix to me.  can you please do it?18:16
ThomasWaldmann(and add a FrontPage with just #redirect EuroPython in case someone has bookmarked FrontPage)18:16
ThomasWaldmanni am not allowed to edit FrontPage18:16
dboddieI might be able to edit it.18:17
lacI cannot.18:17
ThomasWaldmannthe content on EuroPython page is partly duplicated on the current FrontPage anyway - just the history is missing)18:17
dboddieIt's immutable for me. I'll have to ask Paul to do it.18:18
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* ThomasWaldmann could sneak himself into acl_rights_before into the config, but I feel better if paul does that :)18:19
lacDoes Paul have enough information here to know what to do?  (I think so.)18:20
ThomasWaldmannthe wiki work I told above (and I can do the config work once it is agreed and pages are merged)18:21
ThomasWaldmannusing FrontPage is a problem anyway - as soon as you install translations of moin pages, it will give you e.g. StartSeite for the german visitors instead18:21
ThomasWaldmannso it is recommended to not use FrontPage except you like to have a site available in multiple languages18:22
lacok, I pasted all of this into mail to john pinner and paul boddie.  Thanks Thomas18:40
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dboddieThanks!18:54
jacob22dboddie: I'm afraid I need a small change in the sponsorship brochure. The 160x80 image size should say 468x80. Do you think you could update and upload to the wiki?19:11
dboddiejacob22: I'll do it later today - I'm still at work.19:16
zethHi all19:24
dboddiezeth: You missed all the fun.19:31
zethI'm sorry, what happened?19:33
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dboddiezeth: ThomasWaldmann updated the Wiki, but Paul needs to update the FrontPage.19:57
zethcool20:00
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pboddieThomasWaldmann: You were suggesting a fix for the FrontPage issue?21:02
ThomasWaldmannyes21:15
ThomasWaldmannthe main fix of course needs patching everybody's brain, but until we have that, we can do a workaround21:16
pboddieWhat about changing the theme?21:16
pboddieI realised that we can change the way the title is generated.21:17
ThomasWaldmannno need21:17
pboddieWell, we'll need to change the theme anyway, since the layout is FrontPage-specific.21:17
pboddieIf we change the name of the front page to something else, that is.21:17
pboddieSince I have some "interesting" page name-specific CSS rules, you see.21:18
ThomasWaldmannthe name of the front page is in cfg.page_front_page21:18
ThomasWaldmannand we can change that to = u"EuroPython"21:18
pboddieTrue, but won't that just change the window title to "EuroPython - ep2008"?21:18
ThomasWaldmanncan you do the content merge from EuroPython to FrontPage?21:19
pboddieAnd then I would also need to go and change the screen.css file, I guess.21:19
ThomasWaldmannpboddie: yes, but it is better anyway21:19
ThomasWaldmannhuh?21:19
pboddieIn the CSS, I have some extra rules for the background colour. I'll dig them out...21:20
ThomasWaldmannhow is that affected?21:20
pboddie.page-FrontPage #page {21:20
pboddie    background-color: #ccc9e2;21:20
pboddie    padding: 0;21:20
pboddie}21:20
pboddieI needed a way of losing the page content background to have that "floating portlet" effect.21:20
pboddieNasty, but necessary... unless you can suggest a better way. ;-)21:21
ThomasWaldmannhehe21:22
ThomasWaldmannyou could try:21:26
ThomasWaldmann{{{#!wiki darkness21:26
ThomasWaldmann... front page's content21:26
ThomasWaldmann}}}21:26
ThomasWaldmannand then define the darkness css21:27
pboddieI think you'll need to explain that one to me.21:27
pboddieIs that magic syntax for using CSS classes?21:27
ThomasWaldmannthe wiki parser has css class params in 1.621:27
pboddiePer-page CSS should definitely be on the wishlist for MoinMoin. :-)21:28
pboddieA friend of mine was very much on the side of having the CSS in the Wiki, too.21:28
ThomasWaldmannwell, with that it even has per section css :)21:29
ThomasWaldmannhttp://europython.org/HelpOnComments we use it also for that21:30
pboddieOK, I've just tested what you've suggested locally, and I guess it could work.21:39
pboddieIt's the one line change in ep2008.py and the one line change to my CSS hack.21:39
pboddiePlus page edits.21:39
pboddieI'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't a #title pragma, though. I really expected something like that.21:40
ThomasWaldmannthe html title is emitted before the page is even opened.21:44
ThomasWaldmannbut it can be set from the configuration.21:45
pboddieDo you have the authority to make the change to ep2008.py?21:45
ThomasWaldmannat least I have the filessystem rights :)21:45
pboddieTo the actual deployed ep2008.py?21:46
ThomasWaldmannyes21:46
pboddieGreat! Then I think it best that you change that file and make the edit to screen.css.21:46
pboddieThen, I'll rename EuroPython to "Previous EuroPython Conferences" or some such, and then rename FrontPage to EuroPython.21:47
ThomasWaldmannok21:47
pboddieHopefully people will then no longer believe that we're using Microsoft tools to make the site. ;-)21:48
ThomasWaldmanntell me when you're ready with renaming21:49
pboddieI'm ready when you are!21:51
pboddieOK, I'll rename first, then. I guess it doesn't really matter.21:51
ThomasWaldmannit show EuroPython page now :)21:51
pboddieCan you change the CSS for me, too?21:53
pboddiethemes/ep2008/css/screen.css21:53
ThomasWaldmannyes21:53
ThomasWaldmannok21:54
pboddieCool! We made it! ;-)21:54
pboddieThere was talk about the favicon, but that's a luxury problem that I'm prepared to ignore for now. :-)21:55
ThomasWaldmannyeah, it's the moin default one21:55
pboddieWell, have to advertise it, don't we? ;-)21:56
ThomasWaldmann:)21:57
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pboddieWe should perhaps make the theme available at some point, perhaps in a more limited form: we don't want EuroPython imitators, but some of the tricks might inspire other people to do better.21:58
ThomasWaldmannthere's MoinMoin:ThemeMarket :)21:59
ThomasWaldmanndo you have something for a favicon.ico?22:00
ThomasWaldmannwe could steal from python.org :)22:00
zethhmmm22:00
zethHi22:00
ThomasWaldmannhi zeth22:01
zethPython.org don't like sharing their logos22:01
pboddieZeth has a PSF logo stealing alert lamp on his console. ;-)22:01
zethhi ThomasWaldmann how are you?22:01
pboddieOr maybe there's a Python equivalent to the bat signal.22:01
zethwell the amount of bull the PSF and their logos have generated22:01
ThomasWaldmannwhen I can do python or wiki, I am usually feeling good :D22:01
zethBest to keep away from them as far as logos are concerned until the current flamewars die down22:02
ThomasWaldmannuuh, that bad?22:03
zethyeah22:03
ThomasWaldmann(well, no problem with me, I think the current py logo is a bit ugly anyway :)22:03
zethlol22:03
zethI think the "Ikea logo" is okay22:03
zethbut not good enough to threaten each other over22:03
pboddieLet's go swipe the Ikea logo instead! ;-)22:04
zethlol!22:04
zethI found an E in free favicons22:04
zethor there is the old green snake favicon22:04
zeththe old python logo22:04
pboddieI did a cool logo, but I think you'll have to wait until EP to see it.22:04
zethoh right22:04
zetha logo of what?22:04
pboddieIt's not Python-specific, but there's a huge in-joke factor related to Python.22:05
pboddieAnd only a few other open source projects would get the reference.22:05
zethokay22:05
ThomasWaldmanndid anybody make a t-shirt yet with "I can show you my Python!" :)22:05
zethI liked this logo http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/logoEPC2008_01.jpg22:05
pboddieAnd it'll be on a T-shirt which my brother will hopefully choose to wear.22:06
zethI might write to the guy and see if he can put it in red and blue22:06
zethI like this also http://flickr.com/photos/10661825@N07/1999094067/22:06
pboddieI thought this one was good, if a bit General Electric (but in a good, retro way): http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/europython-112x80.png22:07
pboddieScary Oeuf de serpent!22:07
* ThomasWaldmann wants a snake eating a camel22:08
* pboddie thought he saw such a logo once upon a time.22:08
ThomasWaldmannbtw, there WERE Pythons trying to eat rather big alligators22:09
zethyeah22:09
zeththat would be a cool logo22:09
zethespecially if the alligator has "Trademark lawyer" written on the side ;)22:09
ThomasWaldmannwell, it was fatal for python and alligator22:12
ThomasWaldmannany more moin changes?22:14
* pboddie changes the talk submission deadlines.22:15
* pboddie tries to think of the best way to say that we're extending the talk submissions deadline.22:22
* ThomasWaldmann does some work on 1.7.022:25
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