IRC log of #europython for Thursday, 2008-04-24

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Aistehello?19:03
Aisteanybody here for the meeting?19:03
pboddieHello everyone!19:04
GHUMhello Aiste19:04
__eugene__good evening19:04
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pboddieI guess everyone saw the proposed agenda: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting1019:05
pinnerGood evening!19:05
pinneryes19:05
Aisteyes19:05
pboddieLet's get started, then! ;-)19:05
pinnerI'm sorry, but I can't stay much more than 15 minutes19:05
Aisteso we start with your questions first19:06
pinnerSo I've mailed a few notes about registration to ep-imporve19:06
pinnerI need confirmation of fees, chargeable tutorials,19:07
pinneralso PayPal account details19:07
pinnerbasically everything in my posting19:07
dboddie_workI think it's unlikely that we'll do chargeable tutorials.19:07
dboddie_workThere were only two people who stepped forward to offer to do them.19:08
pinnerthe sooner the better : we have a small group working on the system on Saturday19:08
dboddie_workI should get in touch with them to see what they expect.19:08
pboddieThe post-pay information looks good - it matches the previous.europython.org details.19:08
pinnerOK, a decision then - no tutorials19:08
pinnerpity :(19:08
dboddie_workpinner: I'll mail the guys and see what they say.19:09
dboddie_workpinner: It doesn't mean no tutorials at all.19:09
dboddie_workpinner: Did you charge for tutorials at PyCon UK?19:09
Aisteas far as payment forms go, I think it's not reasonable to have cash at the conference option unless you pay "at the door" registration fee19:10
pinnerdboddie_work: no, we didn't charge as they were part of the conference, this year we're having an extra day and may devote that to tutorials which would have to be chargeable19:10
dboddie_workpinner: Right.19:10
pboddieThe fee information looks good - the same as last year, subject to any budget decisions and discussion.19:11
pinnerdboddie_work: paid-for tutorials can raise extra money and/or help pay for better tutors19:11
dboddie_workpinner: Only Stefan Behnel and Mauro Cavalcanti stepped forward.19:12
pinnerAnother decision: no cash payments (except 'on the door')19:12
pboddieIt might be nice to have an explanation of low-cost bank transfers on the post-pay page. See the details on the old site: http://previous.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/payment-information19:13
pinnerHow about cheques? I'd assume that the answer might be No if lac were here19:13
pinnerpboddie: noted19:13
__eugene__international checks cost a lot to process (at least in france)19:13
GHUMi guess cheques are the most complicated form of payment directly after accepting camels19:13
pboddieI think we said "no" since people would need to pay their flights by credit/debit card.19:13
Aisteno, i do not think we accept cheques -- too much hassle cashing them19:14
Aisteso, a bunch of nos for cheques :)19:14
pinneranother decision! no cheques19:14
pboddieI'll add the payment information to the Wiki, anyway. Thought I'd done so, but maybe I imagined it.19:14
GHUMthe payments need to go in which country? Sweden, I guess? So we have EU rules of "no charge money transfers", or?19:15
pboddieWhat about the relationship between the budget, fees and registration? Are we near to a goal here?19:15
Aistesweden19:15
pboddieGHUM: It's on the page I mentioned and will be on the Wiki, too.19:15
pinnerGHUM: yes Sweden19:15
pboddieI guess there's only going to be PayPal for immediate payments, given the lack of progress with the banks and payment providers.19:17
pinnerSo I reckon payment is by 1: Bank Transfer, 2: PayPal, 3: Cash on the door, only19:17
pboddiepinner: Sounds like it, yes.19:17
pinnerpboddie: yes everything but PayPal has been elimintaed19:17
__eugene__cash on the door at a higher rate (I guess?)19:18
pinnerOK, payment method decisions have been made19:18
pinner__eugene__: yes, see the booking form a higher rate on the door19:18
__eugene__pinner: sorry missed that19:19
AisteI also have a room booking form like last year19:19
Aistejust received it19:19
Aistewho should I send it to or where should I post it if I can myself?19:19
pinnerNow I need some one in authority (Laura?Jacob?) to give me the Paypal account details19:19
MrTopfah, meeting19:20
MrTopfHi :)19:20
GHUMpinner: mese recomends Dario19:20
pinnerwon't we just have a pdf on the site, and a link to the Hotel online booking?19:20
pboddieAiste: Wouldn't the hotel give us a promotional code for their site?19:20
GHUMas much as I remember, he did that last year19:20
pboddieI'm not sure that the details have changed from last year, but it'd be good to get a confirmation.19:21
pinnerGHUM: but Dario has to be authorised to release the info. At least, I hope we have those checks in place!19:21
Aistelast year we had forms that pwople had to send over fax or scan and email19:21
Aistesame stuff this year19:21
Aistepinner: yes, I was talking about the pdf thingie19:21
pinnerAiste: then we'll link to that from the booking page as well, just tell me where to find it.19:23
pinnerAnything else for me? I need to be away19:23
Aisteah, ok, so I need to upload it somewhere?19:24
pboddieAiste: Yes. Perhaps as an attachment.19:24
pboddiePosted a payment information page to the Wiki based on last year's details: http://www.europython.org/community/Payment_Information19:25
pinnerAiste: on the wiki accommodation page?19:25
Aistepinner: ok, I will upload it  as soon as I figure out how :)19:25
pinnerpboddie: let's not have too many sources of the same info, otherwise we have to keep them in sync19:26
pinnerAiste:s19:26
pboddieAiste: http://www.europython.org/community/SpecialAccommodation#preview19:26
pinnerAiste:mail me a copy as well, thanks19:26
Aistepinner: ok, I will19:26
pboddiepinner: Noted!19:27
Aisteafter the meeting is over19:27
pinnerI'll sign off if you have nothing more for me : I have most of the decisions I want19:27
pboddiepinner: Great! Thanks for stopping by!19:27
* pinner says good night19:28
__eugene__pinner: good bye19:28
Aistegood, see you later John19:28
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dboddie_workWhat else needs to be discussed?19:29
pboddieAiste: If you upload the form to the page I mentioned, I can add details of rates and procedures to the page itself.19:29
Aistepboddie: the one that John pasted the link to?19:30
zethHi, sorry got confused by the European time business, and with birthday fun, I read back through the scrollback however19:30
Aistedboddie_work: I need to get a decission made about the tshirts19:30
Aistewe can print them here for about 3-4 euro's a t-shirt19:30
pboddieAiste: http://www.europython.org/community/SpecialAccommodation19:31
pboddiezeth: Any chance of doing a minor site upgrade to put the new logo in place?19:31
dboddie_workWhere's the T-shirt and badge committee when you need them?19:31
Aisteyeah, I need a logo or whatever we are going to put on a tshirt19:31
Aisteanybody knows whether anything has been decided about that?19:32
pboddieNo T-shirt business has been finalised, but we do have a new logo.19:32
dboddie_workOK. Suggestions for logos (incorporating this year's logo) to go on the Wiki. I'll create a page.19:33
zethpboddie, we do it together after this meeting?19:33
Aisteok, what is it? I've been a bit distracted from all things as we are moving offices here19:33
pboddiezeth: At your convenience!19:33
GHUMt-shirt: i would love to ask randall of xkcd if we can use a drawing19:33
dboddie_workI mean T-shirt designs, not logos.19:33
pboddiehttp://europython.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/end-of-logo-voting-results-announced/19:33
Aistethanks pboddie19:33
__eugene__+1 for xkcd drawing19:33
dboddie_workhttp://www.europython.org/community/T_Shirts19:34
pboddiedboddie_work: Put it in the planning category and link to it from the Volunteers page, too!19:34
dboddie_workDump the contents of the T-shirt designing parts of your brains on that page.19:34
pboddieAiste: Perhaps send a mail to the list stating the situation. I think people listen to you more than they do to me!19:35
pboddieI think I've been tuned out!19:35
Aistepboddie: ummm :)19:35
Aisteemail about tshirt design?19:35
dboddie_workAiste: Will do.19:36
AisteI'm a bit distracted recently, so I forget things, but ok, i will write down :)19:36
pboddieAiste: Yes, just something saying that we need people who want T-shirts to "step up or step off". ;-)19:36
Aisteok, I will do19:37
Aistewhich list should i write to?19:38
Aisteep-improve?19:38
dboddie_workSure.19:38
pboddieYes, I think so.19:39
pboddieNext topic?19:39
dboddie_workThe talks. How is the situation with submissions?19:40
pboddieI think there have only been two so far.19:40
pboddieBy the way, if anyone wants to have access to the europython-talks list, just go to the list page and request a subscription.19:40
dboddie_workpboddie: The announcement went out the python-announce list, didn't it?19:41
pboddiehttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-talks19:41
pboddieCorrect. That's another thing: if anyone has any special publicity contacts or wants to "represent" EuroPython in their part of the community, please help publicise the conference.19:42
pboddiehttp://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Publicity19:42
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dboddie_workHi regebro19:43
pboddieWhen I get time, I might write a message to the Openmoko list, because I think that what they're doing is very interesting.19:43
regebroOups, I'm late, right?19:43
Aiste:) regebro slightly19:43
regebroLost track of time, sorry.19:44
dboddie_workregebro: No problem. We've talked about registration, tutorials, T-shirts, publicity and talks.19:44
pboddieYou're just in time for keynotes!19:45
dboddie_workI'll dig out my messages to various lists from last year and resend them.19:45
dboddie_workSo, we have one candidate?19:46
pboddieAnd virtual GvR, I suppose.19:46
Aisteyes, i am sorting out the details for the virtual part at the moment19:47
dboddie_workWho is dealing with the other guy?19:47
regebroWell, I have initiated the contacts.19:48
regebro"Dealing with" I don't know. :)19:48
dboddie_workregebro: Do you feel you can pass on information about travel and accommodation, if required?19:49
pboddieI guess Laura initiated the process.19:49
dboddie_workpboddie: OK. Well, as long as there's a level of support there, that's OK.19:49
Aisteam i still needed for anything?19:50
regebrodboddie_work: Well, I don't see why I should be inbetween. :)19:50
dboddie_workregebro: If someone else is handling it then that's also OK. :-)19:51
dboddie_workpboddie: Any more questions for Aiste?19:51
pboddieAiste: I don't think your name is against anything else.19:51
dboddie_workOr did pinner ask them all?19:51
regebroI'll pass on email and do introductions to whoever is actually dealing with the relevant issues.19:51
pboddieI think John knows everything he needs to, at least from Aiste.19:51
dboddie_workOK. Then Aiste can escape. :-)19:52
pboddieregebro: I've ended up passing on requests from various luminaries in previous years.19:52
Aisteok,so I'll send the emails then and go home ;)19:52
dboddie_workAiste: Thanks!19:52
Aistesee you all later ;)19:52
dboddie_workSee you!19:52
__eugene__good evening19:52
dboddie_workOther discussion?19:53
dboddie_workI'm most worried about getting people to propose talks, and getting registration up and running.19:53
pboddieBriefly, there was the sponsor offer, but Jacob isn't here this time.19:54
pboddiedboddie_work: I share your concerns.19:54
dboddie_workRight. Well, we can take the sponsor stuff "offline", unless someone want to talk about it.19:54
pboddieWe've had one or two enquiries, so some decision will need to be taken fairly soon. But I think registration and talks are very important.19:55
dboddie_workWe have a list of places to promote the conference. Some cutting, pasting and spamming is in order, I think.19:56
pboddieAgain, publicity might be a good volunteer task if anyone "hangs out" in parts of the community that the rest of us don't tend to see. Local user groups, for instance.19:56
dboddie_workpboddie: Are you nudging zeth by any chance? ;-)19:57
pboddiedboddie_work: Not necessarily.19:58
pboddiezeth: Have you spammed the python-uk list about EuroPython? ;-)19:58
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zethI John did but I can do again19:58
zetha few of us from Birmingham are planning on coming at least19:59
dboddie_workI've just sent a query to Stefan Behnel about his tutorial suggestion.19:59
pboddieYou can just take the message I sent out to the python-announce-list and resend it, if you want.19:59
zethpboddie: cheers, good idea19:59
Aisteargh, I cannot send emails to ep-improve from my gmail address19:59
dboddie_workAiste: If you want, you can send it to one of us, and we can forward it.20:00
Aistedboddie_work: ok20:00
dboddie_workDoes anyone know Mauro Cavalcanti?20:00
pboddieI guess that's a "no". ;-)20:03
zethwas this the winning lol? http://www.europython.org/wiki/ep2008/img/logo/Badge-80x80.png20:04
zethlogo20:04
pboddieGHUM: Is there any scope for PostgreSQL-related promotion?20:04
GHUMto send outinvitation to postgresql mailing list? No Problemo20:04
pboddieNo, it's the other one: the "banner" version.20:05
GHUMBanner version, to get a europython on postgresql.org is rather impossible...20:05
pboddieAlthough I note that both logos from that designer were quite close in their votes: #1 and #2.20:06
GHUMBUT... that could be an upcoming event, I will submit a PostgreSQL talk and so we can have EuroPython as upcoming event :)20:06
pboddieMaybe we should accept the fact that they're related and use both!20:06
pboddieGHUM: Look forward to it!20:06
dboddie_workGHUM: Sneaky. I like it!20:07
dboddie_workI guess we're done here, unless someone has been waiting to ask a question.20:08
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dboddie_workOK. Meeting over, I guess.20:12
zethpboddie: I am just having a go now and butchering your design20:14
zethputting the logo at the top20:14
pboddieI did upload the changed files to europython.org.20:14
zethI think the blue under it may have to change to different shades20:15
zethpboddie: oh right okay20:15
pboddieIt should just take a theme install and everything should work. Sorry! I should have mentioned that I'd done that.20:15
zethno problem20:15
pboddieI made the nice blue background, as you may have seen.20:15
pboddieYou'll also need to update the ep2008.py file which goes in /etc/moin, but I think that should be quite safe.20:16
zethsorry so you uploaded the files to the server in your home or to where they need to go?20:16
pboddieI changed the theme files in /home/ep2008/ep2008-dev-2008-01-08.20:16
pboddieSo doing an insttheme ../epwiki should do the trick, I think.20:17
pboddieIt's just that my user didn't have the write permissions necessary.20:17
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zethokay20:19
zethit did not report an error20:19
pboddieCool! It seems to work now.20:19
zethbut did it do anything?20:19
pboddieI can see the new logo, anyway.20:19
zethyou want me to change it more?20:20
zethor are you happy with that?20:20
pboddieNo, I think it's fine.20:20
pboddieI was also thinking about possibly introducing a BlockedUsersGroup to prevent repeat spamming, however.20:20
zethoh right20:20
pboddieWe've had a bit of spamming, and some of the idiots doing it are regulars.20:20
zethI have got this http://zeth.me.uk/python/bulkdelete.txt20:21
zethI can deloy if you want20:21
zeth      deploy20:21
pboddieI think the way to go is to add a BlockedUserGroup, but you could run that script after we've made a list.20:22
zethbasically makes a white list20:22
zethand asks you y or no for everyone20:22
zethwhen people are on the whitelist, it does not ask you again20:22
zethblockeduser group just blocks a username?20:23
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pboddieYes, you add an ACL which says -BlockedUsersGroup:read,write,delete,revert,admin or something similar.20:24
pboddieI think it goes into acl_rights_default, but I can't remember the name right now (I'm at work).20:25
pboddieThen, that person who is now in a group will be checked against the ACL and have their edits blocked.20:25
pboddieOK, I've made the page and added most of the offenders.20:30
pboddieBut if your script is effective, perhaps you'd like to run that, too.20:30
pboddiezeth: I should be going now, but I'll go back on IRC when I get home.20:40
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