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| zeth | Hello | 18:45 |
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| pboddie | Hello! | 18:45 |
| zeth | I have Python West Midlands meeting tonight, so might catch the first half | 18:45 |
| zeth | and the end if you go on long | 18:46 |
| zeth | there is wireless there | 18:46 |
| zeth | but not on the bus between | 18:46 |
| zeth | how are you pboddie? | 18:46 |
| pboddie | zeth: Fine. I guess you figured out the Web site issues. Thanks for that! | 18:46 |
| zeth | sorry, I have been under a rock | 18:47 |
| zeth | what website issues | 18:47 |
| zeth | memory like a goldfish | 18:47 |
| pboddie | It was some bad interaction between mod_python and MoinMoin. | 18:47 |
| zeth | oh right | 18:47 |
| pboddie | I linked to it from the last meeting summary. | 18:47 |
| zeth | ah okay | 18:47 |
| zeth | I look at it when I get home in approx 40 mins | 18:47 |
| pboddie | We just fired off a load of messages at you and hoped that you'd read them later. ;-) | 18:47 |
| zeth | ah okay | 18:48 |
| zeth | I did read them | 18:48 |
| pboddie | I haven't seen them since, but xorAxAx said that it was when MoinMoin is under load. | 18:48 |
| zeth | but then had a powercut which cleared my IRC scrollback | 18:48 |
| xorAxAx | hmm? | 18:48 |
| zeth | and forgot it until now ;) | 18:48 |
| zeth | a fuse went | 18:48 |
| pboddie | That kind of thing always happens. :-) | 18:48 |
| zeth | my home server was up 162 days before that | 18:49 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: Just that MoinMoin cache vs. pickle issue which only happens with mod_python. | 18:49 |
| pboddie | 162 days? Think of the polar bears! | 18:49 |
| xorAxAx | well | 18:49 |
| pboddie | zeth: I guess the site is using mod_python. | 18:50 |
| zeth | I like the chart on the wiki of what countries people come from | 18:50 |
| zeth | very interesting | 18:50 |
| pboddie | The Germans always come out on top. :-) | 18:51 |
| pboddie | I should try and upload the 2006 one, too. | 18:51 |
| zeth | I might be being dumb but what is the other column? | 18:51 |
| pboddie | You can act out your Eurovision fantasies, too. ;-) | 18:51 |
| zeth | oh okay | 18:52 |
| zeth | I see | 18:52 |
| pboddie | Theres a cumulative total which is just for checking things, I guess. | 18:52 |
| zeth | yup | 18:52 |
| zeth | if it was eurovision then everyone would be from the former Yugoslavia | 18:52 |
| zeth | and the four big countries would get in for free | 18:53 |
| pboddie | Of course, the total lets you say stuff like "5 countries accounted for almost 50% of attendees". | 18:53 |
| pboddie | Have you been reading that Wikipedia entry on Eurovision that someone posted or do you already know too much? ;-) | 18:53 |
| zeth | I already know too much sadly | 18:54 |
| zeth | One year the Germans did not qualify and the event lost lots of money | 18:54 |
| zeth | because advertisers were less interested | 18:54 |
| zeth | so they made a rule that the four big countries always qualify | 18:54 |
| zeth | so it has enough money to cover costs | 18:55 |
| pboddie | The Swedes just love Eurovision, but that's not a big market compared to Germany. | 18:55 |
| zeth | I suppose German TV puts in a lot as well | 18:55 |
| pboddie | That's what Wikipedia claimed, at least. | 18:55 |
| pboddie | Still, the figures show a lot of what we already knew: France and Spain weren't well represented last year. | 18:56 |
| zeth | I think we need one European one vote system | 18:56 |
| pboddie | So perhaps some targeted publicity is needed. | 18:56 |
| zeth | at the moment the phone vote of a german is worth like 20 times less than a small country | 18:57 |
| pboddie | I'm sure the vested interests wouldn't like that. | 18:58 |
| zeth | well, maybe there would the same system as now | 18:59 |
| zeth | but with a 10 point boost to any entry that gets more than 2 big countries to vote 12 points for | 19:00 |
| zeth | Anyhow, 5pm, time to go home, I'll be back on in about 20 mins | 19:01 |
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| lac_ | hi all | 19:38 |
| dboddie_work | Hello. | 19:40 |
| zeth | Hi again | 19:46 |
| jacob22 | Hi folks! | 19:58 |
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| zeth | hello jacob22, pedronis | 19:59 |
| pedronis | hi | 19:59 |
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| jacob22 | Hi John. | 20:01 |
| pinner | Good evening! | 20:01 |
| zeth | Hi John | 20:01 |
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| MrTopf | Hi | 20:02 |
| lac_ | good evening. I suspect this will be a very shrot meeting giving that I didn't prepare anything. | 20:02 |
| lac_ | Mostly what I want to find out is does anybody need help with anything? | 20:02 |
| lac_ | and briefly how are things going? | 20:02 |
| pinner | you do, I expect ;) | 20:03 |
| lac_ | :-) | 20:03 |
| * MrTopf is mostly lurking | 20:03 | |
| MrTopf | but I blogged about the date and the logos | 20:03 |
| lac_ | seems that changing the logo is a popular activity. I'd like the proposed ones to go on a webpage | 20:03 |
| pinner | that's what the wiki is for | 20:03 |
| lac_ | someplace where people can do 'click' 'click' 'click' and see the various options | 20:04 |
| MrTopf | http://mrtopf.de/blog/plone/planetplone/europython-2008-happening-july-7-12-in-vilnius-lithuania/ and http://mrtopf.de/blog/plone/europython-planning-starts-with-new-logos/ | 20:04 |
| pinner | and paul has already done that | 20:04 |
| lac_ | ah. wonderful! | 20:04 |
| MrTopf | the blog post also has the logos although not the latest ones | 20:04 |
| lac_ | In my backlog of mail is there one from Paul saying he has done that? | 20:04 |
| pinner | then I suggest we put a closing date for logo submissions | 20:04 |
| pinner | and the improve list should vote | 20:04 |
| lac_ | Maybe the whole ep list, actually? | 20:05 |
| pinner | I thought making it the improve list would encouage memebership/volunteers? | 20:06 |
| lac_ | Some of the people on improve have been more or less silent, while others on the ep list are backing a candidate. | 20:06 |
| lac_ | there is that. hmmm. | 20:06 |
| lac_ | what say the rest of you? | 20:06 |
| pinner | I'll go with the flow.. | 20:06 |
| lac_ | so will I, it is hardly the most pressing issue. | 20:06 |
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| jacob22 | I think pinner has a point. | 20:06 |
| lac_ | Ok, we can do it that way. Given them 2 weeks more to come up with designs? | 20:07 |
| lac_ | er Give? | 20:07 |
| pinner | sounds about right | 20:07 |
| zeth | I think 2 weeks is a long time but I have no strong views | 20:08 |
| pinner | and let's see if the original submission, which was a draft and I think the best idea, can be given a makeover by a graphic artist | 20:08 |
| pinner | ep is not until July, so 2 weeks is fine | 20:09 |
| zeth | okay, np | 20:09 |
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| * pinner has to go in 20 minutes | 20:09 | |
| pinner | evening Paul | 20:10 |
| lac_ | Hi Paul. | 20:10 |
| zeth | zeth has to get the bus to Python West Midlands also in about 30 mins | 20:10 |
| jacob22 | What is the most pressing business for today? | 20:10 |
| pboddie | Hello. Sorry to be late! | 20:10 |
| zeth | (don't know how to do the star thing) | 20:10 |
| lac_ | Ok, I am working on the budget, thank you john for the prliminary figures. I'm not ready to present it yet. | 20:10 |
| lac_ | I need costs from Aiste for the site. can you mail me them? | 20:11 |
| pedronis | we need to decide on themes to have blurbs for the call for talks | 20:11 |
| lac_ | costs for food, and rooms | 20:11 |
| pinner | I need details of the Worldpay account, and delegate fees before we can do much on the bookings system | 20:11 |
| pboddie | Most pressing things: I think timetable/timeline, fees (perhaps), ideas about publicity, sponsors. | 20:11 |
| pinner | lac: did you get my spreadsheet earlier? | 20:11 |
| lac_ | we don't have a Worldpay account. | 20:11 |
| lac_ | I just got your spreadsheet, thank you. | 20:11 |
| pinner | oh, then we're stuck with payPal? | 20:12 |
| lac_ | There is this complicated form you need to fill out to get one. I have filled it out but they haven't replied yet. | 20:12 |
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| pinner | WorldPay also have a quite high standing charge | 20:12 |
| lac_ | Depends on whether we get our worldpay account or an alternative. I am working on that but nothing has happened yet. | 20:12 |
| * lac_ nods. | 20:13 | |
| lac_ | got any alternatives you want to push? | 20:13 |
| pinner | What we use is to some extent dependent on our bank a/c | 20:13 |
| pinner | ie, the a/c is in Sweden and you know what you can do better than I | 20:14 |
| lac_ | ok. | 20:14 |
| lac_ | I have an appoint ment with the bank tomorrow to ask them questions like this. | 20:14 |
| pinner | let's wait and see what WP come up with | 20:14 |
| pinner | ditto with your bank, then | 20:15 |
| lac_ | re: themes -- I think we should send mail to ep and ask what sorts of things people are interested in. | 20:15 |
| lac_ | I'd be interested in mailing all the people who came last year, too. | 20:15 |
| pinner | We'll knock up a sample booking page, and leave the card payment method for now. | 20:16 |
| lac_ | not sure if we can, legally. This year I would like to set things up so we can mail people. | 20:16 |
| lac_ | Ep is always doing some sort of outreach to some other group. testing, say or agile methods. | 20:16 |
| lac_ | I'm curious as to what sort of outreach people would like this year. | 20:16 |
| pinner | last week mobile was a suggested theme | 20:17 |
| pboddie | About themes, this is what we talked about last week: http://www.europython.org/community/Talk_Suggestions | 20:17 |
| pboddie | I think we should mail the list and perhaps other areas. Ask people what they want to see. What about feedback from last year? | 20:17 |
| pinner | I don't recall any feedback on themes | 20:17 |
| lac_ | Also, if anybody kows how to reach Arlo Belshee, we owe him money and cannot send it to him until I get bank details. | 20:17 |
| lac_ | I don't have a working one. | 20:17 |
| jacob22 | €140/year isn't too steep for Worldpay, I think. They advertise recently lowered rate. | 20:18 |
| pinner | regarding a mobile theme, I'm pretty sure I have the contact to get sponsorship from Nokia | 20:18 |
| lac_ | that would be cool | 20:18 |
| pboddie | About the timetable. I made a page about that based on previous conferences: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Timetable | 20:19 |
| pboddie | It'd be good for a number of people if we could agree to that or make changes. | 20:19 |
| pedronis | lac_: did you ask Bea about Arlo | 20:19 |
| lac_ | pedronis: yes, this is where I got the address I am using unsuccessfully | 20:20 |
| pinner | I think we should go with Paul's time tab;e | 20:20 |
| pedronis | lac_: I see | 20:20 |
| lac_ | +1 on Paul's timetable | 20:21 |
| pinner | lac_: if he was desperate for the money he'd have contacted you! | 20:21 |
| pboddie | Is this the Arlo Belshee everyone is trying to reach...? | 20:21 |
| pboddie | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/13b/0ab | 20:21 |
| lac_ | I guess, but I feel rather ashamed about it. | 20:21 |
| moreati | +1 to timetable from Paul | 20:22 |
| lac_ | sure looks like it and if he lives in Portland, it will explain why directory assistance in Seattle doesn't know him. | 20:22 |
| pinner | lac_: your problem solved, then | 20:23 |
| lac_ | terrific, thank you paul | 20:23 |
| pboddie | Great. Well, I'll make that the official calendar, shall I? | 20:24 |
| lac_ | can john and jacob22 coordinate on getting Nokia sponsorship? | 20:24 |
| lac_ | Paul, yes please | 20:24 |
| pboddie | I hope Samuele is in agreement with the call for talks date. | 20:24 |
| jacob22 | Arlo Belshee: a_xp_coach@arlim.org | 20:24 |
| pinner | the only thing on the timetable is that we could possibly open registration earlier, if we're ready | 20:24 |
| jacob22 | lac_: I'll coordinate Nokia with John. | 20:25 |
| pedronis | pboddie: yes it seems reasonable | 20:25 |
| pedronis | I think we should send out the mails about interests tomorrow I suppose | 20:25 |
| pinner | jacob22:ok, we'll mail offline | 20:26 |
| jacob22 | About sponsorship, does anyone want any modifications of sponsorship terms from previous years? | 20:26 |
| pboddie | pedronis: About themes? If you want me to do it, I'll try and come up with something. | 20:26 |
| pedronis | pboddie: yes about themes | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | speaking of interests, it looks like inventing a setuptools-based build/configuration management tool is the new fashion | 20:27 |
| lac_ | I want to find out what people are interested in this year | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | there's a theme for you | 20:27 |
| pboddie | mgedmin: Add it to the page! | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | pboddie: url? | 20:27 |
| pboddie | mgedmin: http://www.europython.org/community/Talk_Suggestions | 20:27 |
| lac_ | One think I would like to do is have a code clinic. | 20:27 |
| lac_ | Take your code to europython and get it criticised by people who are better than you. | 20:28 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Ask for more money? EP looks a bit cheap compared to other conferences! | 20:28 |
| * pinner hates setuptools and distutils | 20:28 | |
| * mgedmin likes the code clinic idea | 20:29 | |
| lac_ | pboddie: you mean raise the entrance fee? or ask more for sponsors? or both? or somethingelse? | 20:29 |
| * mgedmin likes to make fun of bad code | 20:29 | |
| jacob22 | lac_: No, higher sponsor fees. | 20:29 |
| pboddie | lac_: Ask sponsors for more money. | 20:29 |
| lac_ | mgedimin may have to pass a 'tactfullnest' test before we hand any newbies over to him ... :-) | 20:30 |
| pboddie | And insist on actual cash, not goodies. | 20:30 |
| jacob22 | Maybe special sponsorships... Coffees, dinner, beer night. | 20:30 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Or events, yes. That could be very good, and not too expensive in Lithuania. ;-) | 20:30 |
| lac_ | But if google wants to buy us all a beer again, they got to tell us in advance so that we can book the space properly! | 20:31 |
| pinner | jacob22: we should ask for sponsors to contribute to a better conference, not beer I think | 20:31 |
| pboddie | I mean, Google would have needed another IPO if they'd sponsored a restaurant meet-up here in Oslo. | 20:31 |
| jacob22 | pinner: Point taken. | 20:31 |
| pinner | Google were the smallest (monetary) sponsor to PyConUK | 20:32 |
| lac_ | pboddie: :-) most expensive beer I ever drank was in the Oslo airport on the way to Vilnius last yet | 20:32 |
| lac_ | year | 20:32 |
| MrTopf | I just remember that pizza price in Oslo | 20:32 |
| * pinner needs to be leaving soon | 20:33 | |
| lac_ | Ok, more things we need to plan this evening? | 20:33 |
| lac_ | or can we let johna nd zeth go? | 20:33 |
| pboddie | Fees? | 20:33 |
| pinner | So my action is to see that we produce a test booking page in, say, two weeks? | 20:33 |
| pinner | OK? | 20:34 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: That needs to be part of budgeting. | 20:34 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I'll stay out of that! | 20:34 |
| lac_ | We cannot set fees yet, because we don't have the buget yet | 20:34 |
| pboddie | pinner: Yes, I think we have enough time. | 20:34 |
| pinner | We'll use last year's fees for the test booking page | 20:34 |
| lac_ | But if costs are about the same as last year, then prices should be too. | 20:34 |
| pboddie | Was my argument that registration could open as early as it is ready, so I won't mention the opening in the calendar. | 20:35 |
| pinner | +1 on registration | 20:35 |
| pboddie | In other words, I'll keep the closing dates, but the fees and opening will remain secret. | 20:35 |
| * lac_ nods at pboddie | 20:35 | |
| pinner | I'll say goodnight then | 20:36 |
| lac_ | pboddie: did you post your webpage of the proposed ep new logos to ep and ep-improve? | 20:36 |
| lac_ | take care john and zeth, and thank you. | 20:36 |
| pinner | thanks | 20:36 |
| pboddie | lac_: No, I'll do that now. | 20:36 |
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| lac_ | thank you. | 20:36 |
| lac_ | time to bang the gavel and declare the meeting over? | 20:37 |
| lac_ | looks like it. | 20:37 |
| jacob22 | When is next meeting? | 20:37 |
| lac_ | ah. | 20:38 |
| pboddie | Same time next week? | 20:38 |
| lac_ | I will make another doodle. Next Thursday is bad for jacob22 and me | 20:38 |
| moreati | same time same place? | 20:38 |
| pboddie | Yes, we forgot the doodle last time, but everyone just assumed the same time anyway. | 20:38 |
| lac_ | well if its the same time, then somebody else will have to run it, because I have a concert. | 20:39 |
| lac_ | I have one the thursday after that, as well. | 20:39 |
| pboddie | A doodle with a deadline would solve the problem, I think. | 20:40 |
| lac_ | thursdays are the days when i am most likely to be busy. | 20:40 |
| lac_ | Ok, will go make one. | 20:40 |
| lac_ | Now shall i close the meeting? | 20:40 |
| jacob22 | I think so. | 20:40 |
| pboddie | lac_: Fine by me. | 20:40 |
| lac_ | BANG BANG BANG | 20:41 |
| lac_ | meeting ajourned, thank you all. | 20:41 |
| zeth | Goodnight all | 20:41 |
| pboddie | zeth: See you, and thanks for the info about MoinMoin. | 20:41 |
| zeth | Enjoy your valentines evening everyone | 20:42 |
| zeth | thanks pboddie | 20:42 |
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